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Prologue Ira Glass William is part of a team that's rebuilding one of the power plants outside Baghdad.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯·威廉 (Ira Glass William) 所在的团队正在重建巴格达郊外的一座发电厂。
And for everything that you've probably heard about how dangerous it is to be in Iraq, and how difficult much of the work is, here's one occupational hazard you probably haven't heard of.
尽管您可能听说过在伊拉克有多危险以及工作有多么困难，但这里有一种您可能没有听说过的职业危害。
Working seven days a week, it's very easy to lose track of the time.
每周工作 7 天，很容易忘记时间。
There's no difference in a Monday, or a Friday, or a Sunday.
星期一、星期五或星期日没有区别。
It's all the same day.
都是同一天。
Well, we jokingly refer to it as a groundhog day.
好吧，我们开玩笑地将其称为土拨鼠日。
Because you're not sure what day it is.
因为你不确定今天是什么日子。
And when you come right down to it, it's not much different than yesterday.
当你认真思考时，你会发现这与昨天没有太大不同。
And it's going to be the same as tomorrow.
明天也会一样。
Visits to the Green Zone, some business in the palace, some business at the police stations.
参观绿区，一些在宫殿里的事务，一些在警察局的事务。
Don works out at the airport for a private security firm.
唐在机场为一家私人保安公司工作。
He says everybody loses track of time.
他说每个人都会忘记时间。
We had a guy in a vehicle that hit a landmine.
我们的车里有一个人触中了地雷。
And miraculously, nobody got hurt.
奇迹般的是，没有人受伤。
And when they brought him to the doctor, the doctor asked, what day is it?
当他们带他去看医生时，医生问，今天是什么日子？
I can't tell you what day it is most days, and I haven't been hit by a landmine.
我无法告诉你今天是什么日子，而且我也没有被地雷击中。
That was kind of an unfair question.
这是一个不公平的问题。
Today's radio show came from a simple set of questions.
今天的广播节目来自一组简单的问题。
We keep hearing about these private contractors who are working in Iraq.
我们不断听说这些在伊拉克工作的私人承包商。
These are civilians, doing everything for US troops from serving meals and building housing to maintaining weapons systems.
这些都是平民，为美军做一切事情，从提供膳食、建造住房到维护武器系统。
Private contractors interrogated prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison.
私人承包商在阿布格莱布监狱审问囚犯。
Other contractors are the people who are actually rebuilding Iraq's sewage, and water, and electrical infrastructure.
其他承包商是实际重建伊拉克污水、水和电力基础设施的人。
And here at our radio show we wondered, who are these people who signed up for this, who decided that the very best job that they could get was going to be in the middle of a war zone?
在我们的广播节目中，我们想知道，这些报名参加这个节目的人是谁，他们决定他们能找到的最好的工作将是在战区中部？
Should we just see them as mercenaries?
我们应该只将他们视为雇佣兵吗？
Are they motivated by feelings that are more idealistic than that?
他们的动机是否是出于比这更理想主义的感情？
Civilians are part of this war in unprecedented numbers.
参与这场战争的平民数量空前。
They're an important part of the war effort.
他们是战争努力的重要组成部分。
They're part of what is going to determine if we're successful in Iraq or not.
它们是决定我们在伊拉克能否取得成功的一部分。
Nobody knows for sure, but it is at least 20,000 people in Iraq, working just as soldiers-for-hire, escorting convoys, protecting stuff.
没有人确切知道，但伊拉克至少有 20,000 人，他们就像雇佣兵一样工作，护送车队，保护物资。
That's more than any of the countries in the Coalition of the Willing have sent.
这比自愿联盟中任何一个国家派出的都多。
Britain, who sent the most, only sent 9,000 troops.
派遣人数最多的英国也只派出了9000人。
Private contractors, in a sense, are our biggest allies in Iraq, the coalition partners that nobody ever talks about, partly because they're private companies, who don't usually give access to reporters, under no obligation to give access.
从某种意义上说，私人承包商是我们在伊拉克最大的盟友，是没有人谈论的联盟伙伴，部分原因是他们是私营公司，通常不向记者提供接触机会，也没有义务提供接触机会。
As a result, we don't even know how many of their employees have died.
结果，我们甚至不知道他们有多少员工死亡。
There's a website called icasualties.org, which lists 243 confirmed deaths, actual names.
有一个名为 icasualties.org 的网站，列出了 243 名已确认死亡的人的真实姓名。
This is far more casualties than all of our allies combined.
这比我们所有盟友的伤亡人数总和还要多。
About a year ago, April 2004-- this is right at the moment when the violence in Iraq was really heating up-- one of our contributing editors, Nancy Updike, headed into Iraq, and managed to spend three weeks with employees of several different companies who are operating there.
大约一年前，即 2004 年 4 月，正是伊拉克暴力局势真正升温的时刻，我们的一位特约编辑南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike) 前往伊拉克，并设法与在那里运营的几家不同公司的员工一起度过了三个星期。
We're devoting our entire program today to her report.
我们今天的整个节目都致力于她的报告。
From Chicago Public Radio, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
这是来自芝加哥公共广播电台的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And we start at the airport.
我们从机场开始。
When Nancy was in Iraq, one of the dozens of security firms operating there was an outfit based in Rhode Island called Custer Battles, named for the two guys who started the company.
当南希在伊拉克时，在那里运营的数十家安全公司之一有一家总部位于罗德岛的公司，名为卡斯特战斗公司，以创办该公司的两个人的名字命名。
Among other things, they had a contract to run security for much of Baghdad International Airport, where there are also lots of US soldiers stationed.
除此之外，他们还签订了一份为巴格达国际机场大部分地区提供安保服务的合同，那里也驻有大量美国士兵。
Here's Nancy.
这是南希。
The US military and the private security contractors working in Iraq, who are often ex-military themselves, usually get along.
美国军方和在伊拉克工作的私人安保承包商通常相处融洽，而这些承包商本身也往往是退伍军人。
But not always.
但并非总是如此。
I was driving around Baghdad International Airport on a Tuesday afternoon with Dave Shoe, a six foot four, former middle school social studies teacher, former Army Sergeant, current employee of Custer Battles, when he pulled up next to two guys jogging in gray t-shirts that said, ARMY.
周二下午，我和戴夫·肖 (Dave Shoe) 开车在巴格达国际机场转悠。戴夫·肖身高六英尺四英寸，曾任中学社会研究老师，前陆军中士，现任卡斯特战役公司雇员，当时他把车停在两个穿着灰色 T 恤慢跑的人旁边，上面写着“阿米”。
Hey, guys.
嘿，伙计们。
Got a minute?
有时间吗？
You're not supposed to be running back here, fellas.
你们不应该跑回这里，伙计们。
Says who?
说谁？
Dave Shoe Well, number one, says me, OK?
戴夫·鞋 嗯，第一，我说，好吗？
You're not even my boss.
你甚至不是我的老板。
Dave Shoe Well--
戴夫鞋井——
My boss is Major General Dempsey, who's in charge of the five million people that are in the city of Baghdad, you included.
我的老板是登普西少将，他负责管理巴格达市的 500 万人，包括你在内。
Well, Major Dempsey then-- Soldier Major General Dempsey.
那么，邓普西少校——士兵少将邓普西。
Well, Major General Dempsey, then, is the one who informed us.
那么，邓普西少将就是通知我们的人。
And a matter of fact, MOTC, ministry of transportation--
事实上，MOTC、交通运输部——
Well, [BEEP] the ministry of transportation.
好吧，[嘟嘟]交通部。
OK.
好的。
Nancy Updike Dave climbed down from his truck, and this became a 10-minute argument, complete with finger pointing, getting in each other's faces, almost touching chests.
南希·厄普代克·戴夫 (Nancy Updike Dave) 从卡车上下来，这场争论持续了 10 分钟，双方互相指责、争吵，甚至几乎触碰了胸部。
There are tens of thousands of US soldiers living on the airport grounds, which are huge, 11 square miles.
机场占地11平方英里，居住着数万名美军士兵。
And many of them don't realize that even though the airport is used by military helicopters and planes, it's also a civilian airport, guarded in part by a civilian company.
他们中的许多人没有意识到，尽管该机场由军用直升机和飞机使用，但它也是一个民用机场，部分由民用公司守卫。
And some areas are off-limits, even to US soldiers.
有些地区是禁区，甚至对美国士兵也是如此。
So Dave spends a lot of time kicking people out of places.
所以戴夫花了很多时间把人们赶出原来的地方。
Very few respond graciously.
很少有人慷慨地回应。
I know you're not.
我知道你不是。
Dave Shoe Now, I came up here and said, hey, how about you doing me a favor.
Dave Shoe 现在，我来到这里说，嘿，你帮我一个忙怎么样？
Now you want to make it an issue, we can make it an issue.
现在你想把它变成一个问题，我们可以把它变成一个问题。
Now, let me tell you something, Major.
现在，让我告诉你一件事，少校。
No, you let me tell you.
不，你让我告诉你。
Go ahead!
前进！
Tell me!
告诉我！
Dave Shoe Let me tell you!
戴夫鞋让我告诉你！
I pulled up to you.
我把车停到你身边。
I asked you politely.
我礼貌地问你。
You got an attitude.
你有态度。
You're damn right I got an attitude!
你说得对，我有一个态度！
I've got civilians that have been here a couple months--
我有一些平民已经在这里几个月了——
I've been here since freaking July, pal.
我从七月份就一直在这里了，朋友。
Oh, whoopdedoo.
哦，哎哟。
Dave Shoe How long you been here?
戴夫·鞋 你来这里多久了？
I've been here since March.
我从三月起就来这里了。
Dave Shoe Good for you, you're doing your job!
Dave Shoe 干得好，你正在做你的工作！
But let me tell you something.
但让我告诉你一件事。
I asked you politely.
我礼貌地问你。
Now if you got to make an issue out of it, why don't we take it on up to Mayor [?
现在，如果您必须提出问题，我们为什么不将其提交给市长[？
Seller.
卖方。
?]
？]
Well, right now, I'm practicing my right!
嗯，现在，我正在练习我的权利！
Right now, I'm telling you, you are unauthorized to be here.
现在，我告诉你，你没有权限来这里。
You got that?
你明白了吗？
As we drove away, Dave put the incident in context.
当我们开车离开时，戴夫讲述了这起事件的来龙去脉。
That's the kind of bull [BEEP] I put up with all day long.
这就是我整天忍受的那种公牛[哔]。
Right there.
就在那里。
No, it's clear.
不，很清楚。
Nancy Updike --what area?
南希·厄普代克——哪个地区？
No, it's clear.
不，很清楚。
That guy's an ass [BEEP].
那家伙是个混蛋[哔]。
So is there generally tension between you guys and army guys?
那么你们和军人之间普遍存在紧张关系吗？
Of course, almost any job involves dealing with a few people you wish you could eject into deep space.
当然，几乎任何工作都涉及与一些你希望能被喷射到外太空的人打交道。
But most jobs don't have, on top of that, the stress of daily shootings and bombings, and being thousands of miles from home.
但除此之外，大多数工作都没有日常枪击和爆炸以及离家数千英里的压力。
So I asked everyone, why come to Baghdad?
于是我问大家，为什么来巴格达？
A couple of reasons, and I'll be honest, money is one of them.
有几个原因，老实说，金钱就是其中之一。
Don Ritchie oversees Custer Battles security operations at the airport.
唐·里奇 (Don Ritchie) 负责监督卡斯特战役 (Custer Battles) 机场的安全行动。
When he retired from the military at 43, he needed to find a job.
当他 43 岁从军队退役时，他需要找一份工作。
19 and a half years in the military, two master's degrees, only job I could find in real American business was as a clerk at Blue Cross in South Carolina.
在军队服役了 19 年半，获得了两个硕士学位，我在真正的美国商业中唯一能找到的工作是在南卡罗来纳州的 Blue Cross 担任职员。
$17,000 a year.
每年 17,000 美元。
I started as a clerk.
我一开始是一名文员。
Humbling experience, very humbling experience.
谦卑的经历，非常谦卑的经历。
I would say the main reason is money.
我想说最主要的原因是钱。
The main reason is money.
主要原因是钱。
Adam McCall does patrols at the airport.
亚当·麦考尔在机场巡逻。
He says he took 9/11 personally, and got himself a job for a while at the Department of Homeland Security in Washington.
他说，9/11 事件是他个人经历的，并在华盛顿的国土安全部找到了一段时间的工作。
He still wants to make a difference, but the money is better here in Iraq.
他仍然想有所作为，但伊拉克的钱更好。
Do you have debts that you're trying to pay off?
您是否有想要偿还的债务？
Absolutely, yeah.
绝对是的。
Who doesn't?
谁不呢？
Yeah, absolutely.
是的，绝对是。
Welcome to America, yes.
欢迎来到美国，是的。
Yes, I have lots of debts.
是的，我有很多债务。
$30,000, $40,000.
30,000 美元，40,000 美元。
Exactly.
确切地。
And frankly, I wasn't making it when I was Department of Homeland Security.
坦率地说，当我担任国土安全部时，我并没有做到这一点。
I just wasn't making it.
我只是没有成功。
So, you know, I had to come here.
所以，你知道，我必须来这里。
The median income in the United States, according to the Census Bureau, is a bit over $40,000 a year.
根据人口普查局的数据，美国的中位收入每年略高于 40,000 美元。
In Iraq, Americans working for private companies usually start at around $80,000, tax-free.
在伊拉克，为私营公司工作的美国人的起薪通常约为 80,000 美元，免税。
Some get more for overtime or hazardous duty.
有些人因加班或从事危险工作而获得更多报酬。
Security guys make over $100,000 a year.
保安人员年薪超过 10 万美元。
Again, the first $80,000 isn't taxed if they stay outside the states for 330 days.
同样，如果他们在美国境外停留 330 天，则前 80,000 美元无需缴税。
Housing and meals are free.
住宿和膳食都是免费的。
If you can tolerate the tension, heat, long hours, uneven phone service, loneliness, sexual frustration, and fear, Baghdad can be a good place not just to make money, but also to make enough money to maybe turn your life around.
如果你能忍受紧张、炎热、长时间工作、电话服务不稳定、孤独、性挫折和恐惧，巴格达不仅是一个赚钱的好地方，而且还可以赚到足够的钱来扭转你的生活。
People told me they now have savings for the first time.
人们告诉我，他们现在第一次有了积蓄。
They'd be able to send their kids to the universities they want.
他们可以把孩子送到他们想要的大学。
Or put that divorce behind them.
或者把离婚抛在脑后。
Henry [?
亨利[?
Bosarge's ?] job is repairing guns for Custer Battles at the airport.
博萨奇的？]工作是在机场为卡斯特之战修理枪支。
He was in the military for nine years, and puts it in perspective this way, bringing up one of the biggest private companies in Iraq, KBR, Kellogg Brown & Root.
他在军队服役了九年，并以这种方式看待这件事，并创办了伊拉克最大的私营公司之一 KBR, Kellogg Brown & Root。
A specialist who has to climb under a truck and work 12 hours a day makes $1,500 a month.
一名必须爬到卡车下面工作并每天工作 12 小时的专家每月可赚取 1,500 美元。
In the military.
在军队里。
Henry In the military.
亨利在军队。
The same guy, working for KBR, the same guy across the street from him, is making $10,000 a month.
同一个人，为 KBR 工作，就在他的街对面，每月挣 10,000 美元。
How on earth are we saving money with private contractors when you guys are making so much money?
当你们赚了这么多钱时，我们到底如何通过私人承包商省钱呢？
You're not.
你不。
You're not.
你不。
Nancy Updike Money, the idea that private contractors will save taxpayer money, is just one reason behind the boom in hiring civilians to do these jobs.
南希·厄普代克金钱（Nancy Updike Money）认为私人承包商将节省纳税人的钱，这只是雇佣平民从事这些工作热潮背后的原因之一。
The other reason is that the military is shrinking.
另一个原因是军队正在萎缩。
There were two million active duty US military personnel in 1990.
1990年，美国有200万现役军人。
Now it's 1.4 million.
现在是140万。
Private contractors are filling in the jobs that the old, bigger military used to do for itself: peeling potatoes, fixing equipment, building housing.
私人承包商正在填补旧的、规模更大的军队过去自己做的工作：削土豆、修理设备、建造住房。
The idea is to free up soldiers for what the Pentagon calls war-making, combat.
这个想法是为了让士兵解放出来，进行五角大楼所说的战争、战斗。
The line's gotten blurry, though.
不过，界限已经变得模糊了。
More and more, private contractors are hired to guard, patrol, escort people and food and equipment through dangerous places, jobs that end up putting them in combat.
越来越多的私人承包商被雇佣来守卫、巡逻、护送人员、食品和设备通过危险的地方，这些工作最终使他们陷入战斗。
Military commanders have said they're afraid the vastly higher salaries in these private companies, essentially for-profit armies, will drain the military of experienced people.
军事指挥官表示，他们担心这些私营公司（本质上是营利性军队）的工资高得多，会耗尽军队中经验丰富的人员。
Custer Battles has different groups working in Iraq.
卡斯特战役有不同的小组在伊拉克开展工作。
There are the people out at the airport.
机场里已经有人了。
And then there are guys who work out of Baghdad, PSDs, personal security details, like the guys who were killed in Fallujah.
还有一些人在巴格达、公共安全部门、个人安全部门工作，比如在费卢杰被杀的人。
PSDs protect businessmen, military convoys, some government officials, and private contractors who've come to rebuild.
PSD 保护前来重建的商人、军事车队、一些政府官员和私人承包商。
Hank is the man who was brought in to clean up Custer Battles' PSD operation.
汉克是被请来清理卡斯特战役 PSD 行动的人。
It's had some problems.
它有一些问题。
More on that later.
稍后会详细介绍。
Hank has a vision for the kind of men he wants working for him.
汉克对他希望为他工作的人有一个愿景。
Steely-eyed, flat-bellied professionals.
眼神坚毅，腹平的专业人士。
It's possible Hank came up with this description by looking in the mirror.
汉克可能是通过照镜子想出这个描述的。
He's a 49-year-old man with small blue eyes, a former paratrooper and ranger, the son of a decorated soldier, married to the daughter of a soldier, father of two soldiers, one of whom was in Iraq and is now in Afghanistan on a mission he can't talk about.
他是一名 49 岁的男子，有一双蓝色的小眼睛，曾是一名伞兵和游骑兵，是一名功勋士兵的儿子，娶了一名士兵的女儿，是两名士兵的父亲，其中一名士兵曾在伊拉克，现在正在阿富汗执行一项他无法谈论的任务。
Hank is cryptic.
汉克很神秘。
He doesn't want me to use his last name.
他不想让我使用他的姓氏。
He won't even tell me what rank he achieved.
他甚至不告诉我他获得了什么排名。
I looked it up later.
我后来查了一下。
Lieutenant colonel.
中校。
He's done private security work overseas before, he won't give details, of course.
他以前在海外做过私人保安工作，当然他不会透露细节。
But he will-- and this is the thing about Hank-- he will poke fun at it.
但他会——这就是汉克的特点——他会取笑它。
So you've got to be the look, the security guy-look: serious, I'm dead serious about this business; I'm steely-eyed, and I'm scanning the horizon constantly.
所以你必须表现得像保安人员那样：严肃，我对这件事非常认真；我目光坚定，不断扫视地平线。
And usually when you go to, like, if I go to Africa or someplace like that, and you're on some kind of security mission, it takes you about two seconds just to get off the plane, look around, and say, oh, there's somebody else on a mission.
通常，当你去非洲或类似的地方时，你正在执行某种安全任务，你需要大约两秒钟的时间才能下飞机，环顾四周，然后说，哦，还有其他人正在执行任务。
And you kind of saddle up to them and you go, SAS?
然后你就给他们装上马鞍然后走吧，SAS？
And they go, they nod and then they go, rangers?
然后他们就走了，他们点头，然后就走了，护林员？
And you go, you kind of nod.
然后你就走了，点点头。
And then finally you ask, who you working for?
最后你问，你为谁工作？
Of course he can't tell.
他当然不能说。
He asks you, and you can't tell.
他问你，你也说不出来。
And then you-- [LAUGHTER] wander off, you see?
然后你——[笑声]就走开了，你明白吗？
But you had that initial, like, dogs sniffing each other, you do.
但你确实有最初的感觉，就像狗互相嗅闻一样。
But it's very easy to pick the guys out.
但要挑选出这些人是很容易的。
They all got the look.
他们都明白了。
So he wants his PSD guys to have to look.
所以他希望他的 PSD 人员必须看看。
Steely-eyed, flat-bellied professionals.
眼神坚毅，腹平的专业人士。
And he walks around doing that look, but he also knows it's all a bit of a put-on, a man dance, as he calls it.
他四处走动，做出那种样子，但他也知道这有点装腔作势，他称之为男人舞。
And with tens of thousands of American military and ex-military and private military in Iraq right now, it's very possible that we are standing in the middle of the largest man dance on the planet.
目前，伊拉克有数以万计的美国军人、退役军人和私人军人，我们很可能正站在地球上最大的男人舞会中央。
Tomorrow at 7:00, we gotta get on the range.
明天 7:00，我们要去靶场。
And then we've got weapons training we'll do when we come back in the afternoon--
然后我们下午回来时会进行武器训练——
Hank has called a meeting of the personal security detail guys to go over the week's schedule and work out solutions to some of the problems they've been having.
汉克召开了一次个人安保人员会议，讨论本周的日程安排，并针对他们遇到的一些问题制定解决方案。
The meeting is in a long room off the main dining area of their hotel.
会议在酒店主用餐区旁的一个长房间里举行。
The guys are sitting scattered around the room, mostly Americans, a few from other countries, England, Ireland, Nepal.
这些人分散地坐在房间里，大部分是美国人，还有一些来自其他国家，英国、爱尔兰、尼泊尔。
They're all on year-long contracts as shooters, armed protection.
他们都签订了为期一年的合同，担任射手和武装保护。
Hank is roaming the room and occasionally clicking to change the slide on the projector.
汉克在房间里走来走去，偶尔点击一下来更换投影仪上的幻灯片。
A lot of the meeting is about cars, because a lot of PSD work is just driving people safely from A to B: Baghdad to Mosul, Mosul to Basra.
会议的很多内容都是关于汽车的，因为 PSD 的很多工作只是将人们安全地从 A 地运送到 B 地：巴格达到摩苏尔，从摩苏尔到巴士拉。
Safely in Iraq, by the way, means driving as fast as they can at all times, to avoid getting shot or blown up.
顺便说一句，在伊拉克安全意味着始终尽可能快地驾驶，以避免被枪击或炸毁。
All the security companies do this.
所有的保安公司都是这么做的。
And Custer Battles, in order to keep their security guys free to scan the road and shoot, if necessary, uses Iraqi drivers.
为了让保安人员能够自由地扫描道路并在必要时进行射击，卡斯特之战使用了伊拉克司机。
Baghdad Bob, AKA Hustler, sees a problem with this, because it seems the Iraqis they've hired, very understandably, have been balking at some of the driving instructions they get.
巴格达鲍勃，又名骗子，看到了这个问题，因为他们雇佣的伊拉克人似乎对他们收到的一些驾驶指示犹豫不决，这是可以理解的。
These guys own their vehicles.
这些人拥有自己的车辆。
They're not going to ram anybody.
他们不会冲撞任何人。
They're not going to run anybody over.
他们不会碾压任何人。
And the guy told me, quote, unquote yesterday, I go, go!
那家伙昨天告诉我，引用，取消引用，我走，走！
Woo woo woo!
呜呜呜！
"My vehicle." OK, that told me volumes.
“我的车。”好的，这告诉了我数量。
He ain't going to hit a bump, he ain't going to go, he ain't going to ram somebody.
他不会撞到障碍物，他不会走开，他不会撞到别人。
The PSD guys, meanwhile, depend on aggressive driving to protect themselves.
与此同时，PSD 人员依靠激进的驾驶来保护自己。
If they're surrounded by a hostile crowd, for instance, or if other cars try to box them in for an ambush.
例如，如果他们被敌对人群包围，或者其他车辆试图将他们包围以进行伏击。
But, as Baghdad Bob points out, driving aggressively at the wrong time could also get everyone shot.
但是，正如巴格达鲍勃指出的那样，在错误的时间激进驾驶也可能导致所有人被枪杀。
We should have the training with the Iraqi drivers.
我们应该和伊拉克司机一起训练。
Us sitting in the seat next to an Iraqi driver, this is what you do when you hit a roundabout, this is what you do when you hit a military convoy.
我们坐在伊拉克司机旁边的座位上，这就是你撞上环岛时所做的事情，这就是你撞上军事车队时所做的事情。
Because this is three days in a row I almost got shot by GI Joe.
因为这是连续三天我差点被特种部队开枪射击。
Man, that ain't a good feeling.
伙计，这可不是什么好感觉。
It becomes clear that the US military is just as much of a danger for the PSD guys as the Iraqi insurgents.
很明显，美国军队对社会民主党的威胁与伊拉克叛乱分子一样危险。
Finally, Hank interrupts the discussion with a decision.
最后，汉克做出决定打断了讨论。
We tell them to ram somebody, we tell them to move over, we buy, we pay for the repairs.
我们告诉他们撞人，我们让他们搬过去，我们购买，我们支付维修费用。
Problem is, we haven't had a good track record.
问题是，我们没有良好的记录。
Hank is trying to change some things about the operation.
汉克正试图改变行动中的一些事情。
He's here to establish rules and procedures.
他来这里是为了制定规则和程序。
One result of America's sudden and unprecedented reliance on private security in this war, is that Custer Battles, like many security companies in Iraq, hired a lot of new people very quickly.
美国在这场战争中突然、前所未有地依赖私人保安，其结果之一是，卡斯特战役公司像伊拉克的许多保安公司一样，很快雇佣了很多新员工。
And Hank is trying to transform them from a bunch of ex-military guys assembled ad hoc to a smooth, standardized workforce, where everyone gets first aid training and regular target practice, good weapons and ammunition, a cell phone, and a uniform, khaki pants, and a navy polo that says Custer Battles on it.
汉克正试图将他们从一群临时组建的退伍军人转变为一支平稳、标准化的劳动力队伍，每个人都接受急救培训和定期打靶练习，配备优质武器和弹药、一部手机、一套制服、卡其色裤子和一件印有“卡斯特战斗”字样的海军蓝马球衫。
Hank believes in America's mission here in Iraq.
汉克相信美国在伊拉克的使命。
He believes private security work is the linchpin in that mission's success.
他认为私人保安工作是该任务成功的关键。
It goes like this.
事情是这样的。
Security guys protect the businessmen trying to start companies in Iraq, and the contractors rebuilding the infrastructure.
安全人员保护试图在伊拉克开办公司的商人以及重建基础设施的承包商。
If the contractors get the work done, the economy takes off.
如果承包商完成工作，经济就会起飞。
The average Iraqi looks around and says, we're better off.
普通伊拉克人环顾四周并说，我们的情况更好了。
Kids are going to school.
孩子们要去上学了。
They're making some money.
他们正在赚一些钱。
They're buying a used, beat-up Ford Taurus, but they're getting one in their family.
他们买了一辆二手的、破旧的福特金牛座，但他们家里也有一辆。
They're going to start turning on these, I think, mostly foreign elements.
我认为，他们将开始关注这些主要是外国元素。
Maybe I ought to contact the authorities.
也许我应该联系当局。
And we're going to find them and root them out, and we're going to make this country great.
我们将找到他们并根除他们，我们将使这个国家变得伟大。
Hank is not just out to fix Custer Battles.
汉克不仅仅是为了解决卡斯特之战。
No opportunity for instruction or improvement is missed.
不放过任何指导或改进的机会。
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Nancy Updike I was paying for my lunch one day, and Hank was talking to the hotel's wait staff.
[说外语] 南希·厄普代克 有一天，我正在付午餐费用，汉克正在和酒店的服务员交谈。
And all of a sudden, Hank and one of the Iraqi staff were gripping hands across the counter and trying to pull each other over.
突然，汉克和一名伊拉克工作人员在柜台上紧握双手，试图把对方拉过来。
Hank finally grabbed the guy's other hand, so he had both of them, and dragged him halfway across.
汉克终于抓住了那家伙的另一只手，于是他两只手都握在了一起，把他拖到了半路上。
[LAUGHTER] I stood there watching in amazement.
[笑声] 我站在那里惊讶地看着。
Oh my God.
我的天啊。
Do you do that with him every day or something?
你每天都和他这样做吗？
We have a game of some kind.
我们有一个游戏。
Nancy Updike Reach across the counter and just try to pull each other over?
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）伸手越过柜台，只是想把对方拉过来？
That was a new one.
那是一件新事。
That was a new game.
那是一个新游戏。
Usually we arm wrestle, or you know, you had a balance game, where you yank the other guy off balance.
通常我们会扳手腕，或者你知道，你会玩平衡游戏，让对方失去平衡。
This game of Hank's is not just a game, it's one of his projects.
汉克的这款游戏不仅仅是一款游戏，更是他的项目之一。
Iraqi men need to work on their upper body strength, he told me more than once.
他不止一次告诉我，伊拉克男人需要锻炼上半身的力量。
It's very American to say, as George Bush has said, we're not here to change you, we don't want you to become Americans.
正如乔治·布什所说，我们不是来改变你的，我们不希望你成为美国人，这是非常美国化的说法。
But we can't help ourselves.
但我们无能为力。
Look at Hank.
看看汉克。
He wants to help, and he knows what will help you.
他想提供帮助，并且他知道什么可以帮助你。
His generosity is interventionist in nature.
他的慷慨本质上是干预主义的。
In the elevator, he explains, it's OK for men to touch each other if they're trying to haul one another over a counter.
他解释说，在电梯里，如果男人试图把对方拖过柜台，互相接触是可以的。
What's not OK is what he sees Arab men doing every day on the streets of Baghdad.
令人不安的是他每天在巴格达街头看到阿拉伯男人所做的事情。
I'm trying to train the Arabs to be less effeminate and quit holding hands, and get to the culture where they--
我正在努力训练阿拉伯人不要那么女性化，不再牵手，并进入他们的文化——
Jesus Christ, let them be!
耶稣基督，让他们去吧！
I love that they hold hands.
我喜欢他们手牵着手。
OK.
好的。
Nancy Updike The guys walk around arm in arm.
南希·厄普代克 他们手挽着手走来走去。
Yeah, it's not right.
是的，这是不对的。
Nancy Updike Don't train that out of them.
南希·厄普代克：别训练他们那样。
No, I don't think that that's not right.
不，我不认为这是不对的。
OK.
好的。
[CLEARS THROAT] Well, let's go down to 314.
[清嗓子]好吧，让我们进入314。
[GUITAR PLAYING AND SINGING] Nancy Updike Every Saturday night, Custer Battles PSD guys gather at what they call the viking table in the dining room of the Sinbad Hotel for a big dinner.
[吉他弹唱] Nancy Updike 每周六晚上，Custer Battles PSD 的成员们都会聚集在辛巴达酒店餐厅的维京餐桌旁，享用一顿丰盛的晚餐。
Tonight, a new guy nicknamed Elvis, because he sings and his last name is Presley, brought his guitar.
今晚，一个绰号为“猫王”的新人带来了他的吉他，因为他会唱歌，他的姓氏是普雷斯利。
The table is only half-seated, maybe 15 people out of Custer Battles' 60 PSD guys.
桌子上只有半个座位，Custer Battles 的 60 名 PSD 人员中大概有 15 人。
I end up sitting near Scott, AKA Grumpy, a heavy Vietnam vet who smokes tiny cigars called Swisher Sweets.
我最后坐在斯科特（又名脾气暴躁）附近，他是一位重度越南退伍军人，抽着名为 Swisher Sweets 的小雪茄。
Scott's been in Iraq for five months.
斯科特已经在伊拉克呆了五个月了。
I'll probably stay a year.
我可能会呆一年。
I was going to stay another year, but I don't think my wife's going to buy that.
我本来打算再呆一年，但我不认为我妻子会买这个。
I've been either in the military or law enforcement or security since I was 18 years old.
我从 18 岁起就一直在军队、执法部门或安全部门工作。
I'm 57 now.
我现在57岁了。
So everybody thinks I need to grow up and come on home.
所以每个人都认为我需要长大并回家。
What do you think?
你怎么认为？
Scott I'm not sure I'm ready to hang up my guns yet.
斯科特，我不确定我是否已经准备好挂枪了。
As long as you feel like you can do the job and make a contribution, then you should be here.
只要你觉得你能胜任这份工作并做出贡献，那么你就应该在这里。
It's not all about the money, he says.
他说，这不仅仅是钱的问题。
And the guy across from him nods.
他对面的人点点头。
Most of the PSD guys I talked to said some version of this, the money's good, but I'm also here to help.
我采访过的大多数 PSD 人员都表示，钱很好，但我也是来帮忙的。
A few said, I'm here for the adventure.
有些人说，我来这里是为了冒险。
Only two fully embraced the word mercenary.
只有两个人完全接受雇佣兵这个词。
A man named Rob who told me about a mercenary bar in the jungles of Cambodia called Sharky's.
一个名叫 Rob 的人告诉我柬埔寨丛林中有一家名为 Sharky's 的雇佣兵酒吧。
They get good bands, he said.
他说，他们有很好的乐队。
And a British guy named Richard who said, I'm here for the money, and so is everyone else.
一个名叫理查德的英国人说，我来这里是为了钱，其他人也是为了钱。
I asked the PSD guys if they think we did the right thing by invading Iraq.
我问 PSD 的人，他们是否认为我们入侵伊拉克是正确的事情。
The responses-- and this ended up being true with everyone I talked to, not just PSD guys-- the responses broke down like this.
这些反应——最终我采访过的每个人都是如此，而不仅仅是 PSD 的人——这些反应是这样分解的。
Around 20% were completely gung-ho: yes, we should have invaded exactly when we did, no questions.
大约 20% 的人完全热衷于：是的，我们应该在入侵时准确地入侵，毫无疑问。
Maybe 10% expressed some doubts.
也许有 10% 的人表达了一些疑问。
And the rest felt like David, an earnest man in his mid-30s with gold-rimmed glasses.
其余的人感觉就像大卫，一个三十多岁、戴着金丝眼镜的认真男人。
You know what?
你知道吗？
I don't care.
我不在乎。
It's over.
结束了。
That part of it's over, it's done with.
这部分已经结束了，已经完成了。
We're here now.
我们现在就在这里。
The best thing that we can do is to help these people.
我们能做的最好的事情就是帮助这些人。
And why we're here is over and done.
我们来这里的原因已经结束了。
I talked to Tara, a tiny blonde from Grand Rapids, Michigan, who screens passengers out at the Baghdad Airport.
我采访了塔拉，她是一位来自密歇根州大急流城的金发小姑娘，负责在巴格达机场检查乘客。
An honorary viking princess, Hank calls her.
汉克称她为荣誉维京公主。
Before coming to Iraq, she'd never been away from home for more than two weeks.
在来伊拉克之前，她离开家的时间从未超过两周。
She had breakfast with her mom every Tuesday.
她每周二和妈妈一起吃早餐。
And while Hank is trying to eliminate physical affection between Iraqi men, Tara has stumbled into her own cheerful project to spread American values.
当汉克试图消除伊拉克男人之间的身体感情时，塔拉却无意中开始了自己传播美国价值观的愉快计划。
I talked to one kid today.
今天我和一个孩子聊天。
He was a cleaner.
他是一名清洁工。
He cleans the floors at the airport.
他在机场打扫地板。
His wife wears a burka.
他的妻子穿着罩袍。
And it's his choice.
这是他的选择。
He wants her to wear one.
他想让她穿一件。
And he wanted a cigarette from me.
他想要我给他一支烟。
And I said, I'll make a deal with you.
我说，我会和你做一笔交易。
I'll give you a cigarette if you let your wife go a week without wearing that.
如果你让你妻子一周不戴烟，我就给你一支烟。
And what did he say?
他说了什么？
Tara He thought about it really hard, and he agreed to it.
塔拉赫认真考虑了一下，就同意了。
Oh my God.
我的天啊。
And did you see her without the burka?
你看到她没穿罩袍了吗？
Did you confirm that he held up his end of the bargain?
你确认他信守诺言了吗？
Yes, yes.
是的，是的。
Nancy Updike And she came in for a week without it?
南希·厄普代克 她来了一个星期却没有带它？
It actually hasn't been a week yet, but he said, I like it without it.
其实还不到一周，但他说，我喜欢没有它。
I like her without it on.
我喜欢她不穿的样子
Before I started doing a story about Custer Battles, a few people advised me against it.
在我开始写关于卡斯特之战的故事之前，一些人建议我不要这样做。
That company doesn't have a good reputation, a person pretty high up in the Coalition Provisional Authority told me.
联盟临时权力机构的一位高层人士告诉我，那家公司声誉不佳。
I ran all this by Hank, who copped to it immediately.
我把这一切都交给了汉克，他立刻就明白了。
We got a bad reputation, probably as gunslingers.
我们的名声很坏，可能是因为我们是枪手。
In some circles.
在某些圈子里。
My guys I'm riding with right now are coming back soon.
现在和我一起骑行的人很快就会回来。
I want to have Custer Battles back.
我想让卡斯特之战回来。
But that's within, you know, the last month.
但那是在上个月内。
Before that, there was some concerns.
在此之前，也有一些担忧。
Gunslingers was only part of what I'd heard.
《枪手》只是我听到的一部分。
I told Hank a rumor someone had told me, that Custer Battles had engaged in a huge gun fight at their old hotel, the Al Hayat one night.
我告诉汉克一个有人告诉我的谣言，卡斯特巴特尔一家晚上在他们的老酒店阿尔哈亚特发生了一场大规模枪战。
And when the smoke cleared, it turned out they'd been firing at each other the whole time.
当烟雾散去后，发现他们一直在互相开枪。
No enemy, just Custer Battles guys hearing their own continued gunfire, and believing that meant they were still under attack.
没有敌人，只有卡斯特战斗人员听到自己持续不断的枪声，并相信这意味着他们仍然受到攻击。
Hank confirmed that an event like this had taken place, but it was started by an initial RPG attack on the hotel.
汉克证实确实发生了类似的事件，但它是由最初对酒店的火箭弹袭击引发的。
He told me what he'd heard from the guys themselves.
他告诉我他从这些人那里听到的消息。
He got to Iraq after it had happened.
事情发生后他到达了伊拉克。
There was over 3,000 thousand rounds that were launched from the hotel, except for an RPG attack.
从酒店发射的子弹超过 3,000,000 发，除了 RPG 攻击。
Everybody seen everybody in the streets, and everybody was hanging out their windows, emptying magazines into the shadows.
每个人都看到街上的每个人，每个人都把窗户伸出来，把杂志倒在阴影里。
And then the report was that we had four dead guys out there that we'd gotten.
然后报告说我们发现了四个人的尸体。
And of course, I always ask-- I wasn't here then-- I'd say, did you bring the bodies in?
当然，我总是问——当时我不在这里——我会说，你把尸体带进来了吗？
No. Did you get a blood trail?
没有，你有血迹吗？
No, they dragged him off.
不，他们把他拖走了。
They scrubbed the blood trails up.
他们擦洗了血迹。
Damn those people, those bastards.
这些人，那些混蛋，该死。
How are we going to win this war?
我们怎样才能赢得这场战争？
They're so quick to sterilize the scene.
他们很快就对现场进行了消毒。
Answer was, opening day jitters.
答案是，开幕日令人紧张。
Everybody's seeing shadows, everybody else is shooting like crazy.
每个人都看到了阴影，其他人都在疯狂地拍摄。
To be clear, all this shooting, those 3,000 rounds fired from the hotel, went out into a residential neighborhood in Baghdad.
需要明确的是，所有这些枪击事件，即从酒店发射的 3,000 发子弹，都是射向巴格达的一个住宅区。
It's likely that, as Hank believes, no one was injured or killed, in spite of all this firepower.
正如汉克认为的那样，尽管火力如此强大，但很可能没有人受伤或死亡。
Nobody came forward with bodies.
没有人带着尸体前来。
But, and this is an important but, there was no formal investigation of the incident, not by the Iraqi police, not by the US military.
但是，这是一个重要的但是，伊拉克警方和美国军方都没有对这一事件进行正式调查。
And Custer Battles, though it did its own internal investigation, wasn't required to report it to anyone.
卡斯特战斗公司虽然进行了自己的内部调查，但不需要向任何人报告。
The Custer Battles people I met seemed to be steady men, not trigger happy.
我遇到的卡斯特战役的人似乎都是稳重的人，不喜欢开枪。
Hank, for instance, has never shot a person in his life, even after years in the army and months in Iraq.
例如，汉克一生中从未开枪射杀过人，即使是在军队服役多年、在伊拉克呆了几个月之后也是如此。
But all of them, like the employees of every other security company in Iraq, are operating in a context where the rules aren't clear.
但他们所有人，就像伊拉克其他所有安保公司的员工一样，都是在规则不明确的环境中运作的。
This is all so new, having over 60 private security firms, some with their own helicopters, their own heavy arms, operating in the middle of a war zone, not subject to the same rules as the military, but not necessarily subject to any other rules.
这一切都是新鲜事，有超过 60 家私人保安公司，其中一些拥有自己的直升机和重型武器，在战区中部开展业务，不受与军方相同的规则的约束，但也不一定受任何其他规则的约束。
Right now, the US government is trying to invent some new guidelines.
目前，美国政府正在尝试制定一些新的指导方针。
But they're not in place yet.
但他们还没有就位。
In Iraq, there are no clear consequences for making a mistake, or for being reckless.
在伊拉克，犯错误或鲁莽行为并没有明显的后果。
People are shooting and not being held accountable for shooting people?
人们开枪射击，却不为开枪追究责任？
Ah, I suppose there's a lot of that going on.
啊，我想有很多这样的事情发生。
And I think in this brief period of time, just like in the Wild West, you control your own company.
我认为在这短暂的时间内，就像在狂野西部一样，你控制着自己的公司。
You can assert a little bit of control in your own little world and hold people accountable there.
你可以在自己的小世界里保持一点控制权，并让人们承担责任。
I guess, to answer your question, I'm not that concerned about it.
我想，回答你的问题，我并不那么担心。
Hank's handle on the walkie talkie system is Krom, K-R-O-M, the god Conan prays to in Conan the Barbarian.
汉克对讲机系统的手柄是克罗姆（K-R-O-M），这是柯南在《野蛮人柯南》中祈祷的神。
Mighty Duck is the operations manager.
Mighty Duck 是运营经理。
Mighty Duck, Krom.
强大的鸭子，克罗姆。
Just got a call from Rock.
刚刚接到洛克的电话。
There's about 2,000 protesters at gates 1, 2, and 3 into the Green Zone.
进入绿区的 1、2 和 3 号门处约有 2,000 名抗议者。
Break.
休息。
Roger.
罗杰.
Hank They expect the crowd to get violent and to increase in size.
汉克 他们预计人群会变得暴力并且人数会增加。
Can you get word out via Arachna to our teams that are out?
您能通过 Arachna 向我们缺席的团队传达消息吗？
Roger.
罗杰.
Scott This protest on April 2 was the beginning of the violent struggle between the US and followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada Al-Sadr, the beginning of the deadliest month for US forces since the start of the war.
斯科特 4月2日的这次抗议活动是美国与什叶派教士穆克塔达·萨德尔追随者之间暴力斗争的开始，也是自战争开始以来美军伤亡最惨重的一个月的开始。
It was also two days after four private security guys from a company called Blackwater were killed in Fallujah, and parts of their bodies hung from a bridge, a grinning crowd of Iraqis surrounding their burnt car.
两天前，一家名为黑水公司的四名私人保安人员在费卢杰被杀，他们的部分尸体挂在桥上，一群伊拉克人笑着围着他们被烧毁的汽车。
If they got Blackwater, a Custer Battles guy told me, it's scary, because Blackwater's the best.
卡斯特战役的一名人员告诉我，如果他们得到了黑水公司，那就太可怕了，因为黑水公司是最好的。
Is there anything that could happen, that you know now as sort of that's your enough-is-enough mark?
有没有什么事情可能发生，你现在知道这就是你“够了”的标志？
Me personally?
我个人？
Nancy Updike Yeah, you personally.
南希·厄普代克 是的，就你个人而言。
No. You mean as far as things getting so bad I want to get out of here?
不。你的意思是事情变得如此糟糕我想离开这里？
Yeah.
是的。
Hank That would be cowardice, if things got bad and you wanted to get out.
汉克 如果事情变得糟糕而你想离开，那就太懦弱了。
Wouldn't it?
不是吗？
So even if I really wanted to get out, I probably wouldn't admit it to myself.
所以即使我真的想出去，我可能也不会向自己承认。
In the weeks after I left, right after Fallujah, the violence escalated, not because of the pictures from Abu Ghraib prison, Hank told me.
汉克告诉我，在我离开后的几周内，就在费卢杰之后，暴力事件升级，这并不是因为阿布格莱布监狱的照片。
Those weren't the turning point.
这些都不是转折点。
Even before the pictures were made public, there were three weeks, Hank said, when it was hard to go anywhere without getting shot at.
汉克说，即使在这些照片公开之前，也有三个星期的时间，无论走到哪里都很难不被枪击。
Americans hunkered down in hotels, including security people.
美国人都躲在酒店里，包括保安人员。
When there were missions, his men would ask about whether they were really necessary, and the quality of the available intelligence.
当有任务时，他的手下会询问是否真的有必要，以及现有情报的质量。
Four different times, men refused to go on missions, Hank said.
汉克说，有四次不同的时间，人们拒绝执行任务。
And there were casualties.
并且还有人员伤亡。
Elvis, who played guitar at the viking dinner, was shot in the leg when the hotel was sprayed with gunfire.
在维京晚宴上弹吉他的埃尔维斯在酒店遭到枪击时腿部中弹。
Dave Shoe, the guy you heard at the beginning of the show, who got into that argument with the major at the airport, was ambushed in his car and shot in the head.
戴夫·肖（Dave Shoe），你在节目开始时听到的那个人，在机场与少校发生了争执，他在车里遭到伏击，头部中弹。
He's OK.
他没事。
And one of their British guys was killed execution-style, pulled from his car in a crowd and shot in the back of the head.
他们的一名英国人被处决，他在人群中被从车里拉出来，后脑勺中弹。
People were badly shaken, Hank said.
汉克说，人们受到了严重的震动。
But no one's quit so far.
但到目前为止还没有人退出。
Nancy Updike.
南希·厄普代克。
In the year since we first broadcast this program, Hank says that 11 Custer Battles security guys have been killed.
汉克说，自我们首次播出该节目以来的一年里，已有 11 名卡斯特之战安保人员被杀。
And Custer Battles itself has been banned from getting government contracts in Iraq, after federal investigators found that it billed for all kinds of work that it never did, defrauding the war effort of at least $50 million, allegedly.
联邦调查人员发现卡斯特巴特尔斯公司为其从未做过的各种工作收取费用，据称诈骗了至少 5000 万美元的战争资金，之后卡斯特巴特尔斯公司本身已被禁止在伊拉克获得政府合同。
The company denies the charges.
该公司否认这些指控。
The case is in court.
该案正在法庭审理中。
Other private contractors face similar charges.
其他私人承包商也面临类似的指控。
Halliburton has $1.8 billion, that's billion, in disputed billings in Iraq.
哈里伯顿公司在伊拉克的争议账单上有 18 亿美元，即 10 亿美元。
Coming up, when is a shovel not a shovel?
来了，铲子什么时候不是铲子了？
That's in a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today, we're devoting our entire program to Nancy Updike's report on civilian contractors in Iraq.
今天，我们的整个节目都致力于南希·厄普代克关于伊拉克民用承包商的报告。
She was there in April 2004, and we first broadcast her story a year ago.
她于 2004 年 4 月在那里，我们一年前首次广播了她的故事。
But the situation with private military contractors working in Iraq hasn't changed that much.
但在伊拉克工作的私人军事承包商的情况并没有太大变化。
It's still one private contractor for every six US military personnel.
仍然是每六名美军人员就有一名私人承包商。
To give you a sense of how unprecedented that number is, having that many civilians working alongside the US army in the middle of a war zone, back in the first Gulf War, it was one private contractor for every 60 military personnel.
让您感受到这个数字是多么史无前例，在第一次海湾战争中，有这么多平民在战区中部与美军一起工作，每 60 名军事人员就有一个私人承包商。
By some estimates, a quarter of all the reconstruction money for Iraq will go to these private security firms.
据估计，伊拉克重建资金的四分之一将流向这些私人保安公司。
We resume Nancy's story at the Green Zone, which at the time was where the American operation in Iraq was based, A four-square-mile area in Baghdad, surrounded by 15-foot walls and barbed wire, with US soldiers guarding the only entrances.
我们继续南希在绿区的故事，绿区是当时美国在伊拉克行动的基地，巴格达的一个四平方英里的区域，周围有 15 英尺高的围墙和铁丝网，美国士兵把守着唯一的入口。
Lots of private contractors live or work there, alongside thousands of soldiers and government workers.
许多私人承包商在那里生活或工作，还有数千名士兵和政府工作人员。
Here's Nancy.
这是南希。
The Green Zone is a sprawl, like Los Angeles, a big, hot, paved sprawl full of humvees and SUVs, and men and women jogging along the wide roads in shorts.
绿区是一片广阔的土地，就像洛杉矶一样，一片广阔而炎热的铺砌土地，到处都是悍马车和SUV，男人和女人穿着短裤沿着宽阔的道路慢跑。
You never see that anywhere else in Baghdad.
在巴格达其他任何地方都看不到这种情况。
There's a disco at the Al Rashid hotel on Saturday nights in the Green Zone, karaoke on Friday's, taekwondo, an internet cafe, and a long outdoor flea market with Iraqi kids selling CDs, or movies and porn on DVD, fanny packs, makeup, satellite dishes, also a variety of Saddam-themed lighters and watches.
绿区的阿尔拉希德酒店每周六晚上都会有迪斯科舞厅，周五会有卡拉 OK、跆拳道、网吧，还有一个长长的户外跳蚤市场，伊拉克孩子们在这里出售 CD、电影和色情 DVD、腰包、化妆品、卫星天线，还有各种萨达姆主题的打火机和手表。
It seems the final stage of a brutal dictatorship is kitsch.
残酷独裁的最后阶段似乎是庸俗的。
A few restaurants have also sprung up in the Green Zone, including a Chinese place that is so obscurely located, it's like the gay bars of the 50s.
绿区里也涌现了一些餐馆，其中包括一家位置非常不起眼的中餐馆，就像 50 年代的同性恋酒吧一样。
You have to go with someone who already knows where it is.
你必须和一个已经知道它在哪里的人一起去。
Otherwise, why would you ever walk through the chipped opening in the stone wall next to the hospital, and go down the long, rubble filled alley?
不然的话，你为什么要穿过医院旁边石墙上的缺口，沿着那条长长的、布满碎石的小巷走下去呢？
And if you did, how would you know to make a left into the small, crab-grassy courtyard with plastic chairs and tables with boxes of tissue on them?
如果你这样做了，你怎么知道要左转进入那个长满螃蟹草的小庭院，那里有塑料椅子和桌子，上面放着纸巾盒？
In any other part of the world, this place would not survive.
在世界任何其他地方，这个地方都无法生存。
In addition to its difficult-to-find entrance, the restaurant is right next to a helipad.
除了入口难找之外，餐厅还毗邻直升机停机坪。
But this place is thriving.
但这个地方正在蓬勃发展。
It is a monument to the power of word of mouth, and to the desperation created by the fact that daily fare for most Americans in the Green Zone is meals at a cafeteria where food is prepared for thousands of people at a time.
它是一座口碑的力量的纪念碑，也是对绿区大多数美国人的日常饮食是在自助餐厅用餐这一事实所造成的绝望的纪念碑，那里一次为数千人准备食物。
Dragon Chinese restaurant is also a testament to the axiom, which I'm coining here, that Kung Pao chicken will always find a way to exist wherever Americans are present.
龙中餐厅也证明了我在这里创造的公理，即无论美国人在哪里，宫保鸡丁总会找到一种存在的方式。
I want the Kung Pao chicken.
我想要宫保鸡丁。
Restaurant Worker Number eight?
餐厅八号工人？
Yeah, number eight.
是的，第八名。
Nancy Updike I've come to the restaurant with a group of guys who work for Fluor Corporation, which is under contract to the Army Corps of Engineers to help rebuild the electricity system in Iraq.
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike） 我和一群为福陆公司工作的人来到这家餐厅，该公司与陆军工程兵团签订了合同，帮助重建伊拉克的电力系统。
Fluor asked me to use only the first names of their employees for their safety and that of their families.
为了他们及其家人的安全，福陆公司要求我只使用他们员工的名字。
Everyone here has had a long day, mostly sitting at the airport in Kuwait waiting for a military transport plane to Baghdad.
这里的每个人都度过了漫长的一天，大多数人坐在科威特机场等待飞往巴格达的军用运输机。
We begin drinking immediately.
我们立即开始喝酒。
Perhaps in the spirit of imagining ways to unwind, the Fluor guys start talking about whether it's true what they've heard about there being a brothel in the Green Zone.
也许是出于想象放松的方式，福陆人开始谈论他们听说的绿区有一家妓院是否属实。
And if that's true, is it possible that a person could, as it were, order in?
如果这是真的，那么一个人是否有可能可以点餐？
You were told that for $50-- Man 1 Might have been $20, I don't know.
有人告诉你 50 美元——Man 1 可能是 20 美元，我不知道。
I'd have paid-- I don't do it, but, somebody said it was either $20 or $50, you could have them brought to you, to your trailer.
我本来会付钱的——我不这样做，但是，有人说要么是 20 美元，要么是 50 美元，你可以把它们带到你那里，带到你的拖车上。
[LAUGHTER]
[笑声]
And you let us know!
你让我们知道！
And if you do find one, let me know what the address is.
如果你找到了，请告诉我地址。
By the time I was listening to this conversation at this restaurant, I had been in Baghdad two weeks.
当我在这家餐厅听到这段对话时，我已经在巴格达两周了。
And I'd stopped counting the number of times a day when I thought, wow, it really is all men here.
当我想到，哇，这里真的都是男人时，我就不再计算每天有多少次了。
Mike from Texas starts out on a small tear.
来自德克萨斯州的迈克一开始就有点小泪水。
He's 30 years old with dark blue eyes, and a blonde moustache growing down the sides of his mouth.
他今年 30 岁，有一双深蓝色的眼睛，嘴边长着金色的小胡子。
He instigates the brothel conversation, then orders a bottle of Captain Morgan rum, for himself.
他挑起了妓院的谈话，然后为自己点了一瓶摩根船长朗姆酒。
But the evening surprisingly gets less rowdy as it goes on.
但令人惊讶的是，随着时间的推移，这个夜晚变得不那么喧闹了。
It turns out Mike is a geek, though a kind I've never encountered before, a power plant geek.
事实证明，迈克是一个极客，尽管是一种我以前从未遇到过的发电厂极客。
He's really, really into what he does: the job, the tools.
他非常非常热爱自己所做的事情：工作、工具。
Absolutely, I want to see the kind of equipment they've got.
当然，我想看看他们拥有什么样的设备。
Not only plant equipment and power producing equipment, I want to see what kind of cranes and logistical equipment we've got on site, and that sort of thing.
不仅是工厂设备和发电设备，我还想看看我们现场有什么样的起重机和物流设备之类的。
He wants to see the cranes.
他想看看鹤。
The conversation gets more and more inside.
谈话内容越来越深入。
Shim stock.
垫片库存。
Couplings.
联轴器。
Pipe guys versus mechanical guys.
管道工与机械工。
And then you got civil guys that want you to set the pipe and set the machinery to the grade of the concrete.
然后，民间人士希望你根据混凝土的等级设置管道和机械。
It's like, no, it don't work like that.
就像，不，它不是那样工作的。
There are guys who come to Iraq who know guns, and do guns.
有些来到伊拉克的人了解枪支并且使用枪支。
And then there are guys who come to Iraq who are technicians, or specialists, in some area.
还有一些来到伊拉克的人是某些领域的技术人员或专家。
Geeks.
极客们。
Sewage geeks.
污水处理极客。
Water geeks.
水极客。
Refinery geeks.
炼油厂极客。
Electricity geeks.
电力极客。
I drive out to a power plant near Baghdad with Lee, who's supervising Fluor's work there.
我和李一起开车去了巴格达附近的一家发电厂，李负责监督福陆在那里的工作。
He is a solid man in big, square glasses with mousy hair you wouldn't guess was 57.
他是个身材魁梧的男人，戴着大大的方形眼镜，有着灰褐色的头发，你绝对猜不到他已经 57 岁了。
Lee has done just about every power plant job there is.
李几乎完成了电厂的所有工作。
He's not flashy, but men follow him.
他并不浮华，但男人却追随他。
A few told me they only came to Iraq because Lee asked them.
一些人告诉我，他们只是因为李的要求才来到伊拉克。
After about an hour and a half, we turn onto a road that's suddenly quite rural, mostly small houses, farmland, lots of kids outside.
大约一个半小时后，我们转向一条突然变得很乡村的道路，大部分都是小房子、农田，外面有很多孩子。
These kids are standing and waving and giving you the thumbs up.
这些孩子站着向你挥手并竖起大拇指。
Does this happen every time you come by?
每次来都会遇到这样的情况吗？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
Yeah.
是的。
When you don't see the children, there's a problem.
当你看不到孩子的时候，就有问题了。
If you don't see the kids that you normally see, you need to stop and find another way to it, because there's probably something out there that you don't want to get into, whether it's an IED--
如果你没有看到你通常看到的孩子，你需要停下来寻找另一种方法，因为那里可能有一些你不想进入的东西，无论是简易爆炸装置——
--an ambush, one of 100 different things it could be.
——伏击，可能是一百种不同的事情之一。
Lee is unflappable.
李却无动于衷。
I know this, because 40 minutes before we saw these kids waving, we were in a traffic jam leaving Baghdad and got ambushed and shot at.
我知道这一点，因为在我们看到这些孩子挥手之前 40 分钟，我们在离开巴格达的交通堵塞中遭到伏击和枪击。
It happened fast.
事情发生得很快。
My tape machine was off because Lee had been telling me about Fluor's security procedures and I'd agreed not to record that in order to keep them secret.
我的录音机关闭了，因为李一直在告诉我福陆公司的安全程序，而我同意不记录这些内容以保密。
As he was talking, we both saw a black BMW weaving aggressively in between the cars.
当他说话的时候，我们都看到一辆黑色宝马在车子之间气势汹汹地穿行。
We noted, without alarm, that this was, according to the private security guys in Iraq, the typical bad guy car.
我们毫无警惕地注意到，根据伊拉克私人保安人员的说法，这是典型的坏人汽车。
And it was driving in the typical bad guy way that private security guys were always warning about.
而且它的驾驶方式是私人保安人员总是警告的典型坏人方式。
And then, suddenly, it cut right in front of the first car in our convoy, the one just ahead of us, and stopped short.
然后，突然，它正好切到我们车队中的第一辆车（就在我们前面的那辆车）前面，然后停了下来。
And we heard the fake sounding pop pop of real gunfire, and saw Fluor's security guys in the car ahead of us get out and start shooting.
我们听到了真枪实弹的假声，看到我们前面车里的福陆保安人员下车开始射击。
OK, OK.
好的，好的。
You're fine.
你很好。
Nancy Updike You can hear Lee and his driver reassuring me, OK, OK, you're all right, you're fine.
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）：你可以听到李和他的司机向我保证，好吧，好吧，你没事，你很好。
The driver even tapped the glass to remind me we were in an armored car.
司机甚至敲了敲玻璃，提醒我我们是在一辆装甲车里。
I'd forgotten, but I don't think I would have been less frightened if I'd remembered.
我忘记了，但我想，如果我记得的话，我的恐惧也不会减少。
Cars were stopped all around us, ordinary Iraqis caught in a shoot-out.
我们周围停满了汽车，普通伊拉克人陷入了枪战。
We were trapped too, until the BMW sped off and disappeared into traffic.
我们也被困住了，直到宝马疾驰而去，消失在车流中。
Then we drove off.
然后我们就开车走了。
We never found out where the car went, who was in it.
我们始终不知道这辆车去了哪里，车里坐着谁。
I saw them come in front of us and stop.
我看到他们走到我们面前停了下来。
You're all right.
你没事吧。
You're fine.
你很好。
[LAUGHTER] It ain't going to bother me.
[笑声]这不会打扰我。
[LAUGHING] Why, why are you laughing?
[笑]为什么，你为什么笑？
We just got shot at.
我们刚刚遭到枪击。
I've been here for nine months.
我在这里已经九个月了。
This is probably the hundredth time.
这可能是第一百次了。
You've been shot at?
你被枪击了吗？
Lee I've had RPGs across the roof.
Lee 我在屋顶上玩过角色扮演游戏。
I've had 62-millimeter mortar rounds hit in front.
我的前面曾被 62 毫米迫击炮弹击中过。
I've had the back end blown out of two vehicles.
我已经有两辆车的后端被炸掉了。
Some IEDs.
一些简易爆炸装置。
Are you a drinking man?
你是一个喝酒的人吗？
Lee Nope, nope.
李 不，不。
Doesn't bother me.
不打扰我。
Just explain that.
请解释一下。
Lee I've worked in too many countries that's been in violent conflicts.
李 我曾在太多陷入暴力冲突的国家工作过。
East Timor.
东帝汶。
Vietnam.
越南。
Cambodia.
柬埔寨。
Chad.
乍得。
Peru, during the Shining Path.
秘鲁，光辉道路期间。
I mean, this is just a common occurrence.
我的意思是，这只是一个常见现象。
Is this better or worse?
这是更好还是更糟？
Lee This is more intense here.
李：这里更激烈。
We've not had any incidents with our people.
我们与我们的人民没有发生过任何事件。
We've had none of our Western ex-pats have been hurt.
我们的西方侨民没有一人受到伤害。
Well, that's another story.
嗯，那是另一个故事了。
That is, yes, that is a fact.
也就是说，是的，这是事实。
Lee asked me to turn the tape machine off again, though he said I could write down what he was saying.
李让我再次关掉录音机，但他说我可以写下他说的话。
Six of Fluor's Iraqi security guards were killed when they blocked a suicide bomber's car.
六名福陆伊拉克保安人员在拦截自杀式炸弹袭击者的汽车时丧生。
His own secretary, an Iraqi woman, was gunned down and killed in front of her house.
他自己的秘书是一名伊拉克妇女，她在自家门前被枪杀。
He doesn't know why.
他不知道为什么。
He assumes it's because she was working for an American, him.
他认为这是因为她为一个美国人——他——工作。
A power plant is magnificent.
发电厂很宏伟。
If you ever get a chance to walk around inside one, do it.
如果你有机会在里面走动，那就去吧。
It's a world on another scale.
这是另一个尺度的世界。
60-foot fuel tanks and hundreds of yards of huge metal tubing.
60 英尺长的油箱和数百码的巨大金属管。
A transformer that looks like a multi-armed robot on its way out to crush houses.
一个看起来像多臂机器人的变形金刚正准备摧毁房屋。
Cranes, just like Mike from the Chinese restaurant wanted to see.
起重机，就像中餐馆的迈克想看到的那样。
This is a 450-ton crane.
这是一台450吨的起重机。
Biggest crane in Iraq.
伊拉克最大的起重机。
You know that thing in your house that kind of works but is really falling apart, and needs to be just taken out and replaced, or at least given a total overhaul, but, unless it breaks down completely, you're just going to keep it the way it is?
你知道你房子里的那个东西可以用，但真的要散架了，需要拿出来更换，或者至少要彻底检修，但是，除非它完全坏了，否则你会保持原样吗？
That is Iraq's entire electricity system.
这就是伊拉克的整个电力系统。
Lee spent over an hour spelling out its problems for me.
Lee花了一个多小时为我阐明它的问题。
Even before the war, electricity would go on and off.
甚至在战争之前，电力就会断断续续。
Very little of the power grid was damaged during the war, according to the Army Corps of Engineers.
据陆军工程兵团称，战争期间电网几乎没有受到损坏。
The bigger problem is that most power plants in Iraq are at least 20 years old, and were starved by Saddam Hussein of money and parts for years.
更大的问题是，伊拉克的大多数发电厂已有至少20年的历史，萨达姆·侯赛因多年来一直缺乏资金和零部件。
During sanctions, the plants fell apart even more.
在制裁期间，这些工厂的崩溃更加严重。
Iraqis who were glad to see America get rid of Saddam Hussein, now don't understand why, more than a year after the US invaded, promising to make their lives better, they're still dealing with blackouts every day.
伊拉克人很高兴看到美国摆脱萨达姆侯赛因，现在不明白为什么在美国入侵一年多后，承诺让他们的生活变得更好，他们仍然每天面临停电的问题。
Electricity, after security, is the number-one frustration for a lot of Iraqis.
对于许多伊拉克人来说，除了安全之外，电力是最令人沮丧的问题。
Lee knows this.
李知道这一点。
Fluor employees are working seven days a week, 12 to 15 hours a day, trying to fix six plants at once, at each one, cramming work that should take a year or more into seven months.
福陆员工每周工作 7 天，每天工作 12 至 15 小时，试图同时修复六座工厂，每座工厂，将本应需要一年或更长时间的工作塞进七个月。
Everything is a problem.
一切都是问题。
Every one of the 28 power plants in Iraq, like a snowflake, is a unique apparatus, jerry-rigged and retrofitted and carefully taped together by Iraqi workers for years.
伊拉克 28 座发电厂中的每一座都像雪花一样，都是独特的设备，经过伊拉克工人多年的临时组装和改造，并小心翼翼地用胶带粘在一起。
This means repair at every plant must also be unique.
这意味着每家工厂的维修也必须是独一无二的。
All parts and equipment need to be imported.
所有零部件和设备都需要进口。
There's no manufacturing inside Iraq.
伊拉克境内没有制造业。
There's also a worldwide shortage right now of exactly the big machines that are the guts of power plants.
目前，作为发电厂核心的大型机器在全球范围内也出现短缺。
Plus, there's the looting, which everyone talks about, but it's hard to picture just how devastating it must have been, until you're standing in a 320-acre power plant, in which every gauge, valve, wire, small motor, and scrap of metal that wasn't nailed down or too heavy to move, was carted off.
另外，还有每个人都在谈论的抢劫，但很难想象它的破坏性有多大，直到你站在一个 320 英亩的发电厂里，里面的每一个仪表、阀门、电线、小型电机和没有钉牢或太重而无法移动的金属碎片都被运走。
Rick Moore, the site manager, a tall, thin man from Oklahoma who needs to use more sunblock, says anything left behind was junky at a very special and rarely seen level of junkiness.
现场经理里克·摩尔 (Rick Moore) 是一位来自俄克拉荷马州的高瘦男子，他需要使用更多的防晒霜，他说留下的任何东西都是垃圾，其垃圾程度非常特殊，而且很少见。
You know, even something as simple as a shovel, when we first got here, a shovel would be wore out, if you could really think that you could do that.
你知道，即使是铲子这么简单的东西，当我们刚到这里的时候，如果你真的认为你能做到的话，铲子就会被磨损。
But the metal would actually have been wore almost all the way down because they'd used it so much.
但实际上金属几乎已经完全磨损了，因为他们使用得太多了。
Karen Hahn is different from most people you've heard so far.
凯伦·哈恩 (Karen Hahn) 与您迄今为止听说过的大多数人不同。
She doesn't work with big equipment.
她不使用大型设备。
She's never been in the military.
她从未参过军。
She's from north of the Mason Dixon line.
她来自梅森迪克森线以北。
She's a she.
她就是一个她。
And she loves being in Iraq.
她喜欢在伊拉克。
She loves it so much that she sounds happy, even if she's talking about screening bags at the Baghdad airport, which is the first job she had when she got here last summer.
她非常喜欢这份工作，听起来很高兴，即使她正在谈论在巴格达机场检查行李，这是她去年夏天来到这里时的第一份工作。
Here's why Iraq has made her so happy.
这就是伊拉克让她如此高兴的原因。
A year ago, she was a divorced, underemployed single mother who was deeply in debt and felt cursed.
一年前，她是一位离婚、就业不足的单身母亲，负债累累，并感到被诅咒。
She'd get a job, and a few months later, like clockwork, the company or branch would go under.
她找到了一份工作，几个月后，公司或分公司就会像钟表一样准时倒闭。
This happened six times.
这种情况发生了六次。
She got to the point where she would say in job interviews, if you hire me, your company is doomed.
她甚至在求职面试中说，如果你雇用我，你的公司就注定失败。
She was broke.
她破产了。
She was depressed.
她很沮丧。
Finally, she got a job as a screener at the Greater Rochester International Airport.
最后，她在大罗彻斯特国际机场找到了一份安检员的工作。
She'd only been doing it a few months when they asked for volunteers to go to Baghdad.
当他们要求志愿者去巴格达时，她才做了几个月。
Her hand shot up, to her own surprise.
令她惊讶的是，她举起了手。
She flew out 10 days later, leaving her 11-year-old daughter with her ex-husband.
10天后，她飞走了，把11岁的女儿留给了前夫。
Working for Custer Battles has changed her life.
为卡斯特战斗队工作改变了她的生活。
She's been promoted three times in the last year, and is now running their human resources department in Iraq, living a life she couldn't have imagined a year ago, and making bank.
去年她升职了三次，现在在伊拉克负责人力资源部门，过着一年前无法想象的生活，还赚了钱。
It's incredible to me.
这对我来说太不可思议了。
I can't imagine my life getting any better than it is now with work and life experiences.
我无法想象我的生活会因为工作和生活经历而变得比现在更好。
Wow.
哇。
Karen Hahn Yeah.
凯伦·哈恩 是的。
Well, that's why I wake up happy every day.
嗯，这就是为什么我每天都高兴地醒来。
Some people wake up and they go, oh, it's another beautiful day in Baghdad.
有些人醒来后会说，哦，巴格达又是美好的一天。
But I mean it.
但我是认真的。
That's another thing.
那是另一回事了。
My boss likes to tease me about the Baghdad weight loss plan, because I lost about 25 pounds since I've been here.
我的老板喜欢取笑我关于巴格达减肥计划的事，因为自从我来到这里以来，我瘦了大约 25 磅。
That's amazing.
太棒了。
Why do you think that is?
你认为这是为什么？
Well, the lack of depression-eating.
嗯，缺乏忧郁的饮食。
That always helps.
这总是有帮助的。
Doesn't that sound funny?
这听起来不好笑吗？
[LAUGHTER]
[笑声]
You came to Baghdad to relax and lose weight.
您来到巴格达是为了放松和减肥。
Yes.
是的。
My Baghdad spa.
我的巴格达水疗中心。
Nancy Updike Karen knows it's a luxury to feel this way in Baghdad.
南希·厄普代克·凯伦 (Nancy Updike Karen) 知道，在巴格达享受这种感觉是一种奢侈。
She's living at the airport as well as working there, and it's a big, protected American enclave, like the Green Zone, surrounded by walls and guarded by soldiers, mostly insulated from the hazards of the rest of Baghdad.
她住在机场并在那里工作，这是一个受保护的大型美国飞地，就像绿区一样，周围有围墙，有士兵把守，基本上与巴格达其他地区的危险隔绝。
She tells a story about an Iraqi woman who flew into the airport.
她讲述了一名伊拉克妇女飞往机场的故事。
Her husband, child, and mother-in-law had just been killed.
她的丈夫、孩子和婆婆刚刚被杀。
From a car bomb, Karen thinks.
凯伦想，是汽车炸弹造成的。
She flies in.
她飞进来了。
And we're just trying to get this woman, this horribly, horribly distraught woman.
我们只是想抓住这个女人，这个非常非常心烦意乱的女人。
I don't know how she did it.
我不知道她是怎么做到的。
A cry I've never heard before in my life.
这是我一生中从未听过的哭声。
We just, you know, got their vehicles airside, and helped out with immigration quite a bit, and we sent somebody to go get their bags, and made it so that she hardly didn't have to move and had some privacy.
你知道，我们只是把他们的车辆停在空侧，并在移民方面提供了很多帮助，我们派人去拿他们的行李，这样她就几乎不需要移动并拥有一些隐私。
Oh, I was crying.
哦，我哭了。
I was crying so much.
我哭得很厉害。
But I still have to do my job.
但我还是得做好我的工作。
But I'm just doing it crying.
但我只是哭着做。
And they came back a week later to thank me, stopped to thank me.
一周后他们回来感谢我，停下来感谢我。
And I wasn't even working that day.
那天我什至没有工作。
And I got called down from my office to go and talk to them so that they could all give me hugs and kisses and thank me.
我从办公室被叫去和他们交谈，这样他们就可以拥抱我、亲吻我并感谢我。
And they said, I couldn't believe it!
他们说，我简直不敢相信！
They said, I'm looking up and I'm crying, and all of a sudden, I see this tall woman wearing a gun, crying like a baby.
他们说，我抬头看，我在哭，突然，我看到这个戴着枪的高个子女人，哭得像个婴儿。
And I said, I'm so sorry, I'm just so sorry.
我说，我很抱歉，我真的很抱歉。
And I hugged and kissed all of them.
我拥抱并亲吻了他们所有人。
And I'm glad I'm here.
我很高兴我在这里。
I'm glad that was me.
我很高兴那是我。
The major crimes unit in Baghdad is in a small, grungy yellow building, like an old public school, with corridors dotted with small offices, each one with a desk, and a chair, and a guy, no computers.
巴格达的重案组位于一栋又小又脏的黄色建筑里，就像一所古老的公立学校，走廊上点缀着小办公室，每个办公室都有一张桌子、一把椅子和一个人，没有电脑。
Jerry Burke is here for an inspection.
杰里·伯克来这里视察。
He's a 57-year-old former Boston beat cop and detective, hired by the Department of Justice to be a mentor and adviser for Iraqi police, to help them build a modern police force.
他是一名 57 岁的前波士顿殴打警察和侦探，受司法部聘请担任伊拉克警察的导师和顾问，帮助他们建立一支现代化的警察部队。
He's exactly the guy you'd want to be in Iraq, doing his job and meeting Iraqis.
他正是你想在伊拉克成为的人，做他的工作并会见伊拉克人。
He respects and understands police work and human rights laws.
他尊重并理解警察工作和人权法。
He's patient, knowledgeable, and, frankly, cuddly.
他很有耐心，知识渊博，而且坦率地说，他很可爱。
Unannounced, they don't know I'm coming.
未经通知，他们不知道我要来。
The kind of cuddly, though, that believes in surprise inspections.
不过，这种可爱的感觉相信突击检查。
The Iraqi police guarding the jail open a locked metal door and show us into an area that opens to a filthy bathroom on one end, and has two rooms off to the right, stuffy, but relatively clean, each with about 50 men sitting on blankets on the floor, staring at us.
看守监狱的伊拉克警察打开一扇锁着的金属门，带我们进入一个区域，一端通向一间肮脏的浴室，右边有两个房间，闷热，但相对干净，每个房间都有大约 50 名男子坐在地板上的毯子上，盯着我们。
This here is the most serious criminals: murderers, rapists, robbers, carjackers.
这里是最严重的罪犯：杀人犯、强奸犯、强盗、劫车犯。
What are you looking for?
你要买什么？
Jerry Burke Just generally appearance, make sure none of the prisoners have been beaten, or seemingly injured while in custody.
杰里·伯克（Jerry Burke） 只是外表，确保没有囚犯在拘留期间受到殴打或看似受伤。
They do seem to be intimidated by the staff.
他们似乎确实被工作人员吓到了。
They are getting on their knees.
他们正在跪下。
Yeah, they are sort of getting in cross-legged position.
是的，他们有点盘腿的姿势。
So what do you take from that?
那么你从中得到什么？
That the jail staff probably are sometimes forcing compliance.
监狱工作人员有时可能会强迫人们遵守。
At this point, we talk to the General, just make sure none of them are being beaten.
此时，我们与将军交谈，确保他们没有人被击败。
And I don't see any obvious signs of beatings, no bandages, no black eyes, no bloody scars or anything like that.
我没有看到任何明显的殴打迹象，没有绷带，没有黑眼睛，没有血淋淋的疤痕或类似的东西。
I mean, this is good compared to before.
我的意思是，与以前相比，这很好。
When he first got to Baghdad, Jerry says, beatings were common in jail and food was not.
杰里说，当他第一次到达巴格达时，监狱里殴打很常见，但食物却很少见。
If your family brought you food, great.
如果你的家人给你带来食物，那就太好了。
If they didn't, too bad.
如果他们不这样做，那就太糟糕了。
Now Baghdad jails are providing two meals a day, he said, the Red Cross standard.
他说，现在巴格达监狱每天提供两顿饭，这是红十字会的标准。
Overcrowding can still be a problem, sometimes over 100 men packed into a room that's full at 50.
过度拥挤仍然是一个问题，有时 100 多人挤在一个房间里，而房间里已经挤满了 50 人。
Jerry checks in with the commander, General Rod, confers about the prisoners, and we head to the next station.
杰瑞向指挥官罗德将军报到，并讨论了囚犯的情况，然后我们前往下一站。
So how did that inspection go?
那么这次检查进行得怎么样呢？
How do you think that station's doing?
你认为那个电台做得怎么样？
I think it's doing very well.
我认为它做得很好。
The prisoner count is down.
囚犯人数减少了。
The prisoner conditions are not as bad as they were.
囚犯的条件并不像以前那么糟糕。
Station's cleaner.
车站比较干净。
There seemed to be a patrol returning when we were leaving, there was a group of IPs coming back in--
我们离开的时候好像有巡逻队回来了，有一群IP回来了——
IPs, Iraqi police.
IPs，伊拉克警察。
Jerry Burke --coming back in, that seemed to be coming back in off patrol or prisoner transport, perhaps.
杰里·伯克——回来了，也许是在巡逻或运送囚犯时回来的。
Under the previous regime, under Saddam's regime, they were discouraged, actively discouraged, from doing proactive policing, from getting out on the street.
在萨达姆政权的前政权下，他们被劝阻，积极劝阻，不敢积极主动地维持治安，不敢上街。
And the police did not do much in the way of investigations.
警方并没有采取太多调查措施。
They had no training, very little experience at it.
他们没有受过训练，也没有什么经验。
A couple of bombings, the Jordanian embassy, the UN bombing, even the bombing at our hotel, when the police arrived at the scene of these bombings, they pretty much didn't know what to, except pick up the injured people, and then stand around.
几次爆炸，约旦大使馆的爆炸，联合国的爆炸，甚至我们酒店的爆炸，当警察到达这些爆炸现场时，他们几乎不知道该做什么，除了抱起受伤的人，然后站在周围。
They had no sense of forensic investigations.
他们没有法医调查的意识。
There's more.
还有更多。
Iraqi cops would never get weapons training under Saddam Hussein.
在萨达姆·侯赛因领导下，伊拉克警察永远不会接受武器训练。
They'd just get a weapon.
他们只要拿到武器就可以了。
No target practice.
没有目标练习。
So they don't know how to shoot.
所以他们不知道如何射击。
Corruption was endemic, and many older cops see no reason to change.
腐败盛行，许多老警察认为没有理由做出改变。
Jerry has the tiniest translator possible, with a tiny voice.
杰瑞拥有最小的翻译器，声音也很小。
Osma is 27, but can, and sometimes does, pass herself off as a teenager.
奥斯玛今年 27 岁，但有时确实会假装自己是个青少年。
She has long, straight brown hair, a small face, and is draped in what looks like a massive, sleeveless shawl, but is, in fact, Jerry's special lightweight bulletproof vest from home.
她有一头长而直的棕色头发，一张小脸，披着一件看起来像巨大的无袖披肩的东西，但实际上是杰里从家里特制的轻型防弹背心。
He had it sent over for her.
他让人把它寄给她。
She's too small to support the weight of a regular vest.
她太小了，无法承受普通背心的重量。
They have a routine.
他们有一个惯例。
Jerry keeps trying to set her up with his driver, [?
杰瑞一直试图撮合她和他的司机，[？
Hatten.
惠顿。
?] She amuses herself by making up stories that she tries to convince Jerry are true.
？]她通过编造故事来取乐自己，并试图让杰瑞相信这是真的。
For instance, an April fool's joke she played on him, which Jerry explains, with Osma shaking her head and correcting him.
例如，她对他开了一个愚人节玩笑，杰瑞对此进行了解释，奥斯玛则摇摇头纠正了他。
She told me that she got engaged to someone she did not know, that her family had arranged the engagement, and that she was going to be leaving Iraq.
她告诉我，她和一个不认识的人订婚了，订婚是她的家人安排的，而且她要离开伊拉克。
I called her bluff on their engagement.
我认为她在他们订婚的事上是虚张声势。
You knew that it was a lie?
你知道那是谎言吗？
Jerry Burke Yeah.
杰瑞·伯克 是的。
No, no. Jerry Burke Of course I did, you're always--
不，不。杰里·伯克：我当然这么做了，你总是——
I swear, Abu Matthew.
我发誓，阿布·马修。
Nancy Updike Osma calls him Abu Matthew, father of Matthew, his son's name.
南希·厄普代克·奥斯玛称他为阿布·马修，即他儿子的名字马修的父亲。
It's a term of respect and endearment.
这是一个尊重和爱慕的词语。
This is not testimony.
这不是见证。
Jerry Burke It's not testimony?
杰瑞·伯克 这不是证词吗？
I knew you were lying.
我知道你在撒谎。
No, you didn't.
不，你没有。
Jerry Burke Because you would not go in to an arranged marriage.
杰里·伯克 因为你不会接受包办婚姻。
You told me you would not let your mother and father pick your husband.
你告诉我你不会让你的父母选择你的丈夫。
I will be changed as Iraq will be.
我会像伊拉克一样改变。
The whole country will be changed, so you don't think I am going to change my mind?
整个国家都会改变，所以你认为我不会改变主意吗？
I just don't think you would let your mother and father pick your husband for you.
我只是不认为你会让你的父母为你选择你的丈夫。
This is a new democracy.
这是一个新的民主国家。
Jerry Burke She has freedom now to do whatever she wants to do.
杰瑞·伯克 她现在可以自由地做任何她想做的事。
Yeah.
是的。
This is a new Iraq.
这是一个新的伊拉克。
Nancy Updike This is the idea of democracy as it's filtered down to the street, Osma said.
南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）奥斯玛说，这就是民主的理念，因为它已经渗透到了街头。
Iraqis doing things they know probably aren't right, like driving down the wrong side of the highway, for instance, and saying, well, this is democracy, this is freedom.
伊拉克人做的事情他们知道可能是不对的，比如在高速公路的错误一侧开车，然后说，好吧，这就是民主，这就是自由。
It's graduation day for the first batch of Iraqi police recruits to complete the new eight-week training program at the police academy in Baghdad.
今天是第一批伊拉克新兵的毕业日，他们将在巴格达警察学院完成为期八周的新培训计划。
Almost 500 men and a few women in bright blue shirts and navy pants.
近 500 名男性和一些女性穿着亮蓝色衬衫和海军蓝裤子。
They're heading into the most dangerous job an Iraqi can have, Jerry says.
杰里说，他们正在从事伊拉克人所能从事的最危险的工作。
Nearly 500 Iraqi police have been killed in attacks by insurgents since the war ended.
自战争结束以来，已有近 500 名伊拉克警察在叛乱分子的袭击中丧生。
Two officers Jerry knew, leaders in reforming the police, were murdered.
杰里认识的两名警察被谋杀，他们是警察改革的领导者。
Some police officers have joined the insurgents.
一些警察加入了叛乱分子。
Some refuse to fight them.
有些人拒绝与他们战斗。
One tried to suicide-bomb the chief of police.
其中一人试图用自杀式炸弹袭击警察局长。
The recruits march around, then stop and stand at attention in front of a raised platform with a canopy over it, where Iraqi and American dignitaries are sitting.
新兵们走来走去，然后停下来，在一个有天篷的高台前立正，伊拉克和美国的政要就坐在那里。
Jerry is up there, also Paul Bremer, who gives a speech that's translated into Arabic as he goes along.
杰里（Jerry）在上面，还有保罗·布雷默（Paul Bremer），他发表了演讲，演讲时被翻译成阿拉伯语。
He starts out with the Arabic greeting, peace be upon you.
他首先用阿拉伯语问候“愿你平安”。
The men and women who are standing before us today are the line between civilization and barbarism.
今天站在我们面前的男男女女是文明与野蛮之间的界限。
Bremer is delivering this speech the day after the killing and mutilation of the four private security guys in Fallujah.
布雷默是在费卢杰四名私人保安被杀和肢解的第二天发表此演讲的。
He has to address this, and he does, over and over again.
他必须解决这个问题，而且他也这么做了，一次又一次。
Yesterday's events in Fallujah are a dramatic example of the ongoing struggle between human dignity and barbarism, that have put to shame the human jackals who defiled the streets of Fallujah.
昨天在费卢杰发生的事件是人类尊严与野蛮之间持续斗争的一个戏剧性例子，这让玷污费卢杰街道的人类豺狼感到羞愧。
The cowards and ghouls who acted yesterday represent the worst of society.
昨天的懦夫和食尸鬼代表了社会最坏的一面。
The central idea of the speech, that the people who mutilated the bodies of four Americans in Fallujah represent the worst of Iraq, and you, the new police recruits, represent the best, isn't a bad point.
演讲的中心思想是，在费卢杰肢解四名美国人尸体的人代表了伊拉克最糟糕的一面，而你们这些新招募的警察则代表了最好的一面，这并不是一个坏点。
But by framing every compliment as a contrast to Fallujah, and by never mentioning how big a risk these recruits are taking by putting on police uniforms, Bremer makes clear he's speaking more to the home audience, to the cameras that will replay clips in America, than he is to the people standing in front of him.
但通过将每一次赞美都与费卢杰进行对比，并且从不提及这些新兵穿上警服要冒多大的风险，布雷默明确表示，他更多的是对家庭观众、对在美国重播片段的摄像机说话，而不是对站在他面前的人。
Taxpayers of the United States are providing almost $19 billion for the reconstruction of Iraq.
美国纳税人为伊拉克重建提供了近190亿美元。
We are spending billions of dollars to create--
我们正在花费数十亿美元来创造——
The Marshall plan for Europe, George Marshall started writing that in 1942, even before we knew we were going to win the war in Europe.
乔治·马歇尔 (George Marshall) 于 1942 年开始撰写欧洲马歇尔计划，甚至在我们知道我们将赢得欧洲战争之前。
He was prepared for the reconstruction of Germany.
他为德国的重建做好了准备。
So we didn't have that detailed a plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.
所以我们没有详细的伊拉克重建计划。
Jerry is frustrated at the pace of reconstruction, both overall and in the police system.
杰瑞对整体重建和警察系统重建的速度感到沮丧。
It took six months to get the Coalition Provisional Authority to buy guns and bulletproof vests for Iraqi police, he says.
他说，花了六个月的时间才让联军临时当局为伊拉克警察购买枪支和防弹背心。
Not enough Americans were brought in to work with the new cops.
没有足够的美国人被带去与新警察一起工作。
And there's still a lot of corruption among the old cops, not just bribery, but cases of rape, murder, and kidnapping.
老警察中仍然存在很多腐败现象，不仅仅是贿赂，还有强奸、谋杀和绑架案件。
Just last month, shots were fired at his translator Osma's house.
就在上个月，他的翻译奥斯玛的家遭到枪击。
Rather than take it to the police, she decided to resolve it with a tribal mediator, which even Jerry thought would be more effective.
她没有向警方举报，而是决定通过部落调解人来解决，就连杰瑞也认为这会更有效。
How's it going, men?
怎么样，伙计们？
It's a great day to be an American.
作为一个美国人，这是美好的一天。
I'm going to shoot some weapons.
我要射击一些武器。
The last day I spent with Hank, the Custer Battles guy from the first half of the show, we pulled up to a soldier who was guarding the entrance to a shooting range where Hank and the Custer Battles guys were heading to get some target practice.
我和汉克（演出前半部分的卡斯特战斗人员）一起度过的最后一天，我们把车停在一名守卫射击场入口的士兵那里，汉克和卡斯特战斗人员正要去那里进行一些打靶练习。
Just before we stopped to get out, Hank said--
就在我们停下来准备出去之前，汉克说——
We are the frontier freedom.
我们是边境自由。
We are the centurions that stand post on the long frontier of freedom.
我们是坚守在自由长边的百夫长。
This ended up being the theme of the morning, though it's the kind of thing Hanks says all the time.
这最终成为了早上的主题，尽管这是汉克斯一直说的事情。
Once again, in this small perimeter, freedom has been advanced.
在这个狭小的范围内，自由再次得到了推进。
You can smell it, can't you?
你能闻到它的味道，不是吗？
Right here.
就在这里。
If nothing else, our time together, Nancy, you should learn to smell the freedom.
如果没有别的事，我们在一起的时光，南希，你应该学会闻自由的味道。
Freedom is the smell of good loads that have just gone down range, the wafting of a powder burned in the cause, a noble cause.
自由是刚刚降下范围的良好负载的气味，是在事业中燃烧的粉末的飘逸，这是一项崇高的事业。
There was a question I'd been trying to ask Hank the whole time I spent in Iraq about exactly this, the frontier of freedom, and his relationship to it.
在伊拉克度过的整个时间里，我一直想问汉克一个问题，即自由的边界以及他与自由的关系。
But I could never quite get it right, so I tried once more.
但我永远无法完全正确，所以我再次尝试。
And the question amounted to, do you ever have doubts about what you're doing here?
问题是，你对自己在这里所做的事情有过怀疑吗？
I mean, a soldier's got a pretty perfect world, because he just takes his orders.
我的意思是，士兵的世界非常完美，因为他只听从命令。
And at the end of the day, you just say, maybe, maybe they were a little crazy with that order, but I did my part.
到最后，你只是说，也许，也许他们对这个命令有点疯狂，但我尽了自己的职责。
You know, I held the barricade.
你知道，我守住了路障。
Right, but that's, I mean, that's soldiers, and that's being in the army.
是的，但我的意思是，那是士兵，那是在军队里。
And you're not in the army anymore.
而且你已经不在军队了。
You're a civilian in a democracy.
你是民主国家的平民。
Don't you have questions along those lines?
您没有类似的疑问吗？
Well, not right now, because I'm actually kind of back right now.
嗯，不是现在，因为我现在实际上已经回来了。
Back in a military mindset.
回到军事心态。
Hank Yeah.
汉克 是的。
But yeah, on a daily basis.
但是，是的，每天。
I've got a son that's in the army.
我有一个在军队服役的儿子。
So you sit back at a TV screen when you're not here, and you're going, God, I hope they know what the hell they're doing when they send my kid in harm's way.
所以当你不在的时候，你就坐在电视屏幕前，然后你就会离开，上帝啊，我希望他们知道当他们把我的孩子送进危险的地方时他们到底在做什么。
And the sad part is, you spend your whole life with a kid protecting him, keeping him out of the street.
可悲的是，你一生都和一个孩子在一起，保护他，不让他上街。
Get out of the street!
滚出街道！
Put on your bicycle helmet.
戴上自行车头盔。
What are you doing?
你在干什么？
Then, next thing you know, you're watching him deploy to combat.
然后，接下来你就会看到他部署战斗。
You're going, God, what have I done?
你去吧，上帝，我做了什么？
So you've got an ambivalence, because he's out in the middle of the street.
所以你有一种矛盾心理，因为他在街道中央。
And you just hope, somewhere, that there's some tremendously bright guys that are sitting around a whiteboard and figuring it all out, and they have a plan.
你只是希望，在某个地方，有一些非常聪明的人坐在白板周围，把一切弄清楚，并且他们有一个计划。
Unfortunately, every once in a while you meet one of the guys.
不幸的是，每隔一段时间你就会遇到其中一个人。
And you should say, tell me you're his double.
你应该说，告诉我你是他的替身。
[SIDE CONVERSATION] I'm coming.
[旁白]我来了。
I've only fired 20 rounds.
我只发射了20发子弹。
I'm getting all 20 of those.
我已经拿到了全部 20 个。
Nancy Updike.
南希·厄普代克。
Well, our program was produced today by Sarah Koenig and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Diane Cook, Wendy Dorr, Jane Feltes, and Lisa Pollak.
好吧，我们今天的节目是由 Sarah Koenig 和我本人以及 Alex Blumberg、Diane Cook、Wendy Dorr、Jane Feltes 和 Lisa Pollak 制作的。
Our senior producer's Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德。
In the year since today's program was first broadcast, the number of Iraqi police and military killed has climbed from 500, as Nancy said, to at least 2,200.
自今天的节目首次播出以来，伊拉克警察和军人的死亡人数已从南希所说的 500 人攀升至至少 2,200 人。
And in fact the real number may be more like 3,000.
事实上，真实数字可能更像是 3,000。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] You know, you can download today's program and our archives at audible.com/thisamericanlife.
[鸣谢] 您知道，您可以在 audible.com/thisamericanlife 下载今天的节目和我们的档案。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Mr. Torey Malatia, who is not afraid of your guff.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 先生监督，他不怕你的废话。
I've RPGs across the roof.
我在屋顶上放了角色扮演游戏。
I've had 62-millimeter mortar rounds hit in front.
我的前面曾被 62 毫米迫击炮弹击中过。
Back next week with more stories of this American life.
下周我们将带来更多有关美国生活的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。