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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass In Danielle's house, ever since she was a girl, when holiday dinners come, they serve a meal that will probably look familiar to you.
序言：序言 Ira Glass 在丹妮尔的家里，从她还是个女孩的时候起，每当节日晚餐到来时，他们都会提供你可能看起来很熟悉的饭菜。
Picture main course, big platter, drum sticks, white breast meat, golden brown skin, stuffing, and gravy, and cranberry relish on the side.
想象一下主菜、大拼盘、鼓棒、白胸肉、金棕色皮、馅料、肉汁，还有蔓越莓调味品。
And in Danielle's family they have a name for this meal that she told me on the phone recently.
在丹妮尔的家里，他们给这顿饭起了一个名字，这是她最近在电话里告诉我的。
The name for this meal is--
这顿饭的名字是——
Fish.
鱼。
Ira Glass Well, from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life.
Ira Glass 好吧，来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台，这就是《美国生活》。
A special program today on the wonders of fish.
今天有一个关于鱼类奇迹的特别节目。
Actually, we can say the word here, and the word is poultry.
其实我们这里可以说这个词，这个词就是家禽。
And as you know, each week on our program we choose some theme, invite a variety of writers and performers to tackle that theme.
如您所知，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，邀请各种作家和表演者来解决该主题。
And this week, as we stand now in that magical five weeks of the year, that magical five weeks between the turkey served at Thanksgiving and the turkey served at Christmas, a period when Americans consume nearly a fourth of all the turkey consumed in this country every year.
本周，正如我们现在所处的一年中神奇的五周，感恩节供应火鸡和圣诞节供应火鸡之间神奇的五周，美国人在这段时间内消耗了该国每年消耗的火鸡总量的近四分之一。
And every year during this important time, This American Life brings you yet another program about poultry.
每年在这个重要时刻，《This American Life》都会为您带来另一个有关家禽的节目。
That's right-- stories about turkeys, chickens, ducks, fowl of all kind, and their mysterious hold over us.
没错——关于火鸡、鸡、鸭、各种家禽的故事，以及它们对我们的神秘控制。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Coming up this hour, Act One: Duki.
这个小时即将上演第一幕：Duki。
The story of a typical American family and imaginary poultry.
一个典型的美国家庭和想象中的家禽的故事。
Act Two: what poultry-positive program would be complete without--
第二幕：没有什么家禽阳性计划才能完成——
Chickenman!
鸡人！
Chickenman Show Chorus He's everywhere, he's everywhere!
鸡人秀合唱 他无处不在，他无处不在！
Yes, indeed.
是的，确实如此。
In the late 1960s, the winged warrior struck terror in the hearts of evildoers on radios all across this great nation.
20 世纪 60 年代末，这个长着翅膀的战士通过广播在这个伟大国家的各地的邪恶者心中引起了恐惧。
Today, my friends, he flies again.
今天，我的朋友们，他又飞了。
Act Three: Chicken Diva.
第三幕：鸡女主角。
In that act, an opera about Chicken Little sung in Italian, and-- no kidding-- able to make a grown man cry.
在那一幕中，一部关于小鸡的歌剧用意大利语演唱，而且——不是开玩笑——能够让一个成年人哭泣。
Act Four: Trying To Respect The Chicken.
第四幕：尝试尊重鸡。
The story of one woman's quest to try to give chickens the honor and the dignity that they are rarely accorded, even though the chickens resist her efforts.
讲述了一名妇女试图给予鸡们很少给予的荣誉和尊严的故事，尽管鸡们抵制她的努力。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One: Duki Ira Glass Act One: Duki.
第一幕：Duki Ira Glass 第一幕：Duki。
So in Danielle's family, the power of poultry is so great in their lives that when they serve chicken or turkey, they call it--
所以在丹妮尔的家里，家禽的力量在他们的生活中是如此巨大，以至于当他们供应鸡肉或火鸡时，他们称其为——
Fish.
鱼。
Ira Glass That's right.
艾拉·格拉斯 没错。
And they call it this for a reason.
他们这样称呼它是有原因的。
And the reason has to do with a stuffed hand puppet called Duki.
原因与一个名为杜基（Duki）的毛绒布娃娃有关。
Now, Danielle, is a woman over 30 years old.
现在，丹妮尔是一位30多岁的女性。
Her sister Ashley is two years younger.
她的妹妹阿什莉比她小两岁。
Duki has been in the family since they were children.
杜基（Duki）从小就加入了这个家庭。
Well, he was a Christmas present when Ashley was about 8 and I was about 10.
嗯，当阿什利大约 8 岁、我大约 10 岁的时候，他是一份圣诞礼物。
And when he first arrived, he was really fluffy.
当他第一次来的时候，他真的很毛茸茸的。
And he was this beautiful, fluffy, white duck.
他就是这只美丽、毛茸茸的白鸭子。
He had a cape on and black kind of villain slash hero goggles.
他披着斗篷，戴着黑色的反派英雄护目镜。
He lost the outfit pretty quickly and he went naked.
他很快就脱掉了衣服，然后赤身裸体。
And then he became Ashley's vehicle for torturing me.
然后他就成了阿什利折磨我的工具。
It's not unusual for older siblings to dominate younger ones.
哥哥姐姐支配弟弟妹妹的情况并不罕见。
And as children, Danielle dominated Ashley.
小时候，丹妮尔支配着阿什利。
Ashley looked up to Danielle, fought to get her attention and her approval, and Danielle always, always got her way.
阿什利尊敬丹妮尔，努力引起她的注意和认可，而丹妮尔总是，总是如她所愿。
Except when Duki was around.
除了杜基在身边的时候。
Basically, Ashley would channel-- I mean, the word's kind of an anachronism in this context-- but she would channel Duki.
基本上，阿什利会引导——我的意思是，这个词在这种情况下有点不合时宜——但她会引导杜基。
She would become Duki's voice.
她将成为杜基的声音。
She would speak as Duki.
她会以杜基的身份说话。
And Duki was sarcastic.
杜基很讽刺。
Duki was selfish and bossy.
杜基自私又专横。
Duki would insult Danielle.
杜基会侮辱丹妮尔。
Duki would tease Danielle.
杜基会取笑丹妮尔。
Duki would give her painful nose squeaks.
杜基会让她的鼻子发出痛苦的吱吱声。
Whenever Ashley brought Duki into the equation, he was completely the dominant force.
每当阿什利将杜基纳入考虑范围时，他就完全是主导力量。
I was just putty in Duki's hands.
我只是杜基手中的油灰。
Let me ask you to compare his personality with Ashley's personality.
让我请你把他的个性与阿什利的个性进行比较。
Ashley is very kind of considerate, and-- she's very considerate and kind and thoughtful.
阿什莉非常体贴，而且——她非常体贴、善良、体贴。
And very, very sensitive to other people.
而且对其他人非常非常敏感。
Very, very concerned about if other people are happy and if someone or someone else doesn't feel good.
非常非常关心其他人是否快乐以及某人或其他人是否感觉不好。
And Duki has this total, like, you know, what's for lunch attitude.
杜基的态度就是，你知道，午餐吃什么。
Like what's in it for me, in your face, totally out for himself.
就像这对我来说，在你面前，完全是为了自己。
Simultaneously a braggart and a total wimp.
同时也是一个吹牛者和一个彻头彻尾的懦夫。
He's boastful and vain.
他很自负，也很虚荣。
Danielle He's just this indomitable-- yeah-- indomitable spirit.
丹妮尔 他就是这种不屈不挠的——是的——不屈不挠的精神。
All right.
好的。
I've been at Daniels apartment sometimes, and I've witnessed the following scene-- picture, please.
我有时去过丹尼尔斯的公寓，我亲眼目睹了以下场景——请拍张照片。
Danielle has not spoken with her sister in weeks.
丹妮尔已经好几个星期没有和她姐姐说过话了。
She picks up the phone, calls Ashley in Michigan.
她拿起电话，给密歇根州的阿什利打了电话。
Ashley answers.
阿什利回答。
Danielle asks immediately, "can you put Duki on?"
Danielle立即问道：“你能穿上Duki吗？”
And then Ashley essentially becomes Duki, puts Duki on the phone.
然后 Ashley 就变成了 Duki，让 Duki 接电话。
Danielle talks to Duki for 15, 20 minutes.
丹妮尔与杜基交谈了 15 到 20 分钟。
And then they both hang up.
然后他们都挂断了电话。
That's the whole conversation.
这就是整个对话。
And they both feel satisfied.
并且两人都感到很满足。
These are adult-- Danielle is an editor at a big New York magazine.
这些都是成年人——丹妮尔是纽约一家大型杂志的编辑。
I adore Duki.
我喜欢杜基。
I really love Duki.
我真的很喜欢杜基。
And sometimes I think if he disappeared, it would really feel like someone died.
有时我想，如果他消失了，真的感觉就像有人死了一样。
I mean, I look at him and he looks really kind of old and ratty, and it really makes me sad.
我的意思是，我看着他，他看起来真的又老又破烂，这真的让我很难过。
I feel like-- it sounds crazy.
我觉得——这听起来很疯狂。
It really makes me sad to think about a world without Duki.
想到一个没有杜基的世界，我真的感到很难过。
And that it would be a big empty hole the world.
世界将变成一个巨大的空洞。
He kind of takes up as much room in my heart as a lot of people individually.
他在我心里占据的空间和很多人一样多。
And if something happened to him, you know, if he were lost at an airport or run over by a car, it would really be heartbreaking.
如果他出了什么事，你知道，如果他在机场迷路或者被车碾过，那真的会令人心碎。
So I hope it's becoming clear why, if you eat dinner in the home of Danielle's family, if they're serving some kind of poultry-- you know, chicken or turkey-- if you were to ask anybody in the family, "what's for dinner," they'll tell you--
所以我希望你能清楚为什么，如果你在丹妮尔家吃晚饭，如果他们提供某种家禽——你知道，鸡肉或火鸡——如果你问家里的任何人，“晚饭吃什么”，他们会告诉你——
Fish.
鱼。
Ira Glass Right.
艾拉·格拉斯 对。
And the rationale for that is what?
其理由是什么？
It freaks Duki out.
这可把杜基吓坏了。
Ira Glass It freaks him out, though-- you don't like him to know that perhaps some birds are, in fact, eaten?
艾拉·格拉斯：不过，这让他很害怕——你不希望他知道也许有些鸟实际上被吃掉了？
I think he knows.
我想他知道。
I think he's in denial about it.
我认为他对此表示否认。
He's in denial about most things.
他否认大多数事情。
He's in denial about the fact that he's totally weak and tiny and dirty.
他否认自己完全软弱、渺小、肮脏这一事实。
He thinks he's really good looking and strong.
他觉得自己真的长得又帅又强。
And that he's really smart and has a lot of friends.
而且他真的很聪明，有很多朋友。
He's in denial about the fact that he's actually stuffed, which he is.
他否认自己实际上已经吃饱了，事实上他确实是吃饱了。
Sometimes I tell him, and I say, "Duki, give me a break-- you're just stuffed." And he's like, "no way."
有时我告诉他，我说：“Duki，让我休息一下——你已经吃饱了。”他说：“不可能。”
Now, I thought I would try to book Duki to come on the radio for this program.
现在，我想我应该尝试预订杜基来参加这个节目的广播。
So I contacted Danielle's sister Ashley and asked her, you know, "could Duki come on the air?" I received an answer back not by phone, but by electronic mail that for Duki to appear, I'd have to first go through someone named Yona Lu, who I could reach through Danielle and Ashley's mother.
所以我联系了丹妮尔的妹妹阿什莉，问她，“杜基可以来播音吗？”我收到的回复不是通过电话，而是通过电子邮件，要让杜基出现，我必须首先通过一个名叫尤娜·卢的人，我可以通过丹妮尔和阿什利的母亲联系到他。
And when I talked to Danielle, I asked her about this.
当我和丹妮尔交谈时，我问了她这个问题。
I've been informed that the only way that I can reach him is by calling your mom and speaking to Yona Lu?
我被告知，我能联系到他的唯一方法就是打电话给你妈妈并与 Yona Lu 通话？
Do I have that name right?
我这个名字对吗？
I think that's-- she's acting as his agent.
我认为那是——她正在充当他的经纪人。
Anything special that I should say to Yona Lu to make this happen?
为了实现这一目标，我应该对 Yona Lu 说些什么特别的话吗？
I mean, I don't know.
我的意思是，我不知道。
She's a pretty-- she drives a pretty hard bargain.
她很漂亮——她讨价还价的能力相当强。
It's Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Mrs. Mattoon Hi, Ira Glass.
马顿夫人 你好，艾拉·格拉斯。
Mrs. Mattoon, here's why I called you.
马顿夫人，这就是我打电话给你的原因。
I want to do a little story on the radio about Duki.
我想在广播中讲一个关于杜基的小故事。
And I contacted your daughter Ashley, and she said that for me to book Duki onto my radio show, I was going to first need to contact Yona Lu.
我联系了你的女儿阿什利（Ashley），她说要让我预订杜基（Duki）参加我的广播节目，我首先需要联系尤娜·卢（Yona Lu）。
Yona Lu.
陆尤娜.
[LAUGHING] Yeah, you would need to do that.
[笑]是的，你需要这样做。
And that I needed to do that through you.
我需要通过你来做到这一点。
Yona Lu is-- she's a hedgehog.
尤娜·卢是——她是一只刺猬。
She's basically taken charge of Duki's financial affairs.
她基本上负责Duki的财务事务。
And I presume this is something to do with money?
我认为这与金钱有关？
Well, I don't know, actually.
嗯，实际上我不知道。
I mean, we--
我的意思是，我们——
That's probably why she said to contact Yona Lu.
这大概就是她说要联系Yona Lu的原因。
Well, so what do I do now?
好吧，那我现在该怎么办？
I'm calling-- I was told to contact you if I wanted to get in touch with Yona Lu in order to book Duki.
我正在打电话——有人告诉我，如果我想与 Yona Lu 联系以预订 Duki，请与您联系。
What do I do next?
接下来我该怎么办？
That's the whole idea.
这就是整个想法。
I want to book Duki for the show for an interview.
我想预约 Duki 参加节目采访。
Well, I'll just talk to Yona Lu about it.
好吧，我会和 Yona Lu 谈谈这件事。
She says OK, it's OK.
她说好吧，没关系。
Would Yona Lu want to discuss terms or something?
卢尤娜想讨论一下条款什么的吗？
She doesn't talk.
她不说话。
Ira Glass So what's going to happen?
艾拉·格拉斯 那么接下来会发生什么呢？
All right.
好的。
Should I call you back?
我应该给你回电话吗？
You could call me back, or I'll just go in and check.
你可以给我回电话，或者我进去看看。
You'll just go in and check?
你就进去看看吧？
Mrs. Mattoon Yeah.
马顿夫人 是的。
It's just radio.
这只是广播。
Mrs. Mattoon And nobody is going to get to be on TV?
马顿夫人 没有人会上电视吗？
[IRA LAUGHING] Ira Glass No, no one's going to be on TV.
[IRA 笑] Ira Glass 不，没有人会上电视。
No, it's strictly radio.
不，这只是广播。
OK.
好的。
Yona Lu doesn't care what happens then.
陆尤娜不在乎接下来会发生什么。
What if it were TV?
如果是电视呢？
Mrs. Mattoon I think she'd want to be on, too.
马顿夫人我想她也想参加。
[IRA LAUGHING] Even though she doesn't-- I mean, radio doesn't do much for her because she doesn't talk.
[艾拉笑]尽管她不——我的意思是，收音机对她没有多大作用，因为她不说话。
All right.
好的。
As you might imagine, not everybody in the family takes all this so lightly.
正如你可能想象的那样，并不是家里的每个人都对这一切如此掉以轻心。
Danielle's father was never too keen on this.
丹妮尔的父亲对此从来不太热衷。
He was quite actually bothered by the whole-- he thought we maybe had a problem in the family.
他实际上对整个事情感到困扰——他认为我们的家庭可能有问题。
Really?
真的吗？
Mrs. Mattoon Mm-hm.
马顿夫人 嗯嗯。
[AFFIRMATIVE] I mean, for a while there, we had two daughters that only communicated through a duck.
[肯定]我的意思是，有一段时间，我们有两个女儿，她们只能通过鸭子交流。
Yeah.
是的。
That period that you're describing, when do you mean?
你所描述的那个时期是指什么时候？
I would say they maybe were 10 and 12 or 9 and 11.
我想说他们可能是 10 和 12 或 9 和 11。
And they would only communicate through the duck?
他们只能通过鸭子交流？
Well, Danielle didn't pay a whole lot of attention to Ashley, but she paid quite a lot of attention to the duck.
好吧，丹妮尔并没有太关注阿什利，但她却对鸭子给予了很多关注。
So if Ashley wanted to get Danielle's attention, all she had to do was rev up the duck.
因此，如果阿什利想引起丹妮尔的注意，她所要做的就是加快鸭子的速度。
And how long did this last?
这持续了多久？
Mrs. Mattoon I can't remember.
马顿夫人 我不记得了。
She'd also make Danielle laugh that way.
她也会让丹妮尔那样笑。
Danielle thought Duki was very funny, but I can't remember her thinking Ashley was funny.
丹妮尔认为杜基很有趣，但我不记得她认为阿什利很有趣。
In terms of the relationship between my sister and me, I don't know why-- I mean, this is probably completely, really sick-- but I have so much genuine affection and love for Duki that it's very easy, and it's very easy to demonstrate those feelings, in a way that it's not as easy to kind of demonstrate those feelings toward my sister.
就我和姐姐之间的关系而言，我不知道为什么——我的意思是，这可能完全是病态的——但我对杜基有如此多的真诚的感情和爱，这很容易，而且很容易表现出这些感情，但在某种程度上，向我姐姐表现出这些感情并不那么容易。
Just because we never got in the habit of it.
只是因为我们从来没有养成这种习惯。
What percentage of your relationship with your sister is based on your relationship with Duki?
你和你姐姐的关系有多少比例是基于你和 Duki 的关系？
Well, the really fun part of it is based on my relationship with Duki.
嗯，其中真正有趣的部分是基于我和 Duki 的关系。
But I think as we've gotten older and older, we've gotten more and more self-conscious about the Duki factor in our relationship.
但我认为，随着我们年龄的增长，我们对我们关系中的杜基因素越来越不自在。
But I think kind of a big chunk.
但我认为这是一个很大的块。
I mean, it definitely kind of gives me this vision into her brain that I wouldn't have otherwise.
我的意思是，这确实让我对她的大脑产生了这种洞察力，否则我不会有这种洞察力。
Well, I did finally snag an interview with Duki by calling Ashley.
好吧，我终于通过给阿什利打电话获得了杜基的采访。
Is Duki still up for this?
杜基还在吗？
Ashley Yeah.
阿什利 是的。
He just got back from a party, though.
不过，他刚刚从聚会回来。
Yeah.
是的。
He was at a happy hour thing with a lot of college students.
他和很多大学生一起度过了一段欢乐时光。
He's not in college, but he's in a band, so a lot of his friends go to this happy hour on Friday nights.
他没有上大学，但他是乐队成员，所以他的很多朋友周五晚上都会去参加这个欢乐时光。
Hey, Duki?
嘿，杜基？
Duki Yeah?
杜基 是吗？
Hey, Ira, how ya' doin'?
嘿，艾拉，你好吗？
Long time no see back at you.
好久没有再见到你了。
And welcome to our little radio program.
欢迎来到我们的小型广播节目。
So what's going on here?
那么这是怎么回事呢？
You've got a whole bunch of celebrities on tonight?
今晚有一大群名人来吗？
Well, we actually have a number of different people.
好吧，我们实际上有很多不同的人。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE] like Tom Cruise?
[难以理解的短语] 像汤姆克鲁斯一样？
OK.
好的。
Ira Glass Now, Duki, I was talking to Danielle for our radio program and had her come on and talk about you a little bit.
Ira Glass 现在，Duki，我正在与 Danielle 谈论我们的广播节目，并让她过来谈论一下你。
And one of the things that she said was that when she was younger, in order to discipline her if she was doing something that you didn't like, you could pretty much control her with something called nose squeaks.
她说的一件事是，当她年轻的时候，如果她做了你不喜欢的事情，为了管教她，你几乎可以用一种叫鼻子吱吱声的东西来控制她。
Yeah.
是的。
Because she has this kind of-- it's a prominent nose, you know what I mean?
因为她有一个——突出的鼻子，你明白我的意思吗？
Kind of sticks out and you just want to squeak it.
有点突出，你只想吱吱叫它。
You know, like, over Thanksgiving we were watching The Muppet Show.
你知道，感恩节期间我们正在看布偶秀。
And Miss Piggy was on, and she reminded me a lot of Niellie.
猪小姐也在现场，她让我想起了很多尼莉。
Of Danielle?
丹妮尔?
Duki Mm-hm.
杜基 嗯嗯。
[AFFIRMATIVE] Yeah.
[肯定] 是的。
And Kermit told Miss Piggy, "move the pork." And so I was telling Niellie to move the pork all week.
克米特告诉猪小姐，“把猪肉移开。”所以我告诉尼尔莉整个星期都要把猪肉搬走。
And would she move?
她会搬家吗？
Duki Yes, she would.
杜基 是的，她会的。
She would.
她会的。
Now, if Ashley would tell her, if Ashley would sit down on the couch and say to Danielle, "move the pork," what would the effect of that be?
现在，如果阿什利告诉她，如果阿什利坐在沙发上对丹妮尔说，“把猪肉移开”，会产生什么效果？
Kind of-- you know Niellie.
有点——你认识尼尔莉。
You know how she looks at you when she doesn't approve of something you say or do.
你知道当她不同意你所说或所做的事情时她会如何看待你。
She gets this kind of ice-cold stare and she gives you this sidelong glance that makes you kind of feel like you're about the size of a pea.
她的眼神冰冷，斜视你的眼神让你感觉自己只有豌豆那么大。
Is there anything about the life of a duck that perhaps you could tell our radio audience that we might not know?
关于鸭子的生活，您是否可以告诉我们的广播听众我们可能不知道的任何事情？
I'm sure that you know much more about it than we do.
我相信您比我们更了解它。
No, not really.
不，不是真的。
I'm kind of an unusual duck.
我是一只不寻常的鸭子。
I'm not really in touch with the whole duck scene.
我对整个鸭子场景不太了解。
You're not in touch with the whole scene, yeah.
你没有接触到整个场景，是的。
When I had time, I used to migrate once in a while because I have some friends who are ducks.
当我有时间的时候，我偶尔会迁移一次，因为我有一些朋友是鸭子。
And I try to keep in touch with them, but lately I just started spending more time with people and doing my own thing.
我尝试与他们保持联系，但最近我开始花更多时间与人相处并做自己的事情。
And I just don't have time to do those kind of duck things anymore.
我只是没有时间再做那些无聊的事情了。
I just wanted more in my life than that.
我只是想在生活中得到更多。
Duki, a stuffed hand puppet, now lives in New York City.
杜基 (Duki) 是一个毛绒玩具，现居住在纽约市。
Well, the story of a 27 year old graduate student who talks like a duck naturally brings us to the story of Chickenman.
好吧，一个27岁的研究生说话像鸭子一样自然地把我们带到了鸡人的故事。
Chickenman first soared the radio airwaves from 1966 to 1969.
《小鸡人》于 1966 年至 1969 年首次在无线电广播中传播。
Nearly every day there would be a new episode.
几乎每天都会有新的情节。
These were these short little things, each one two minutes long or so.
这些都是一些短小的东西，每一个长约两分钟。
Starting on WCFL here in Chicago, but spreading to over 1,500 radio stations.
从芝加哥的 WCFL 开始，后来传播到 1,500 多个广播电台。
Three times, by the way, that's three times the number in the public radio network.
顺便说一句，这是公共广播网络数量的三倍。
According to the people who syndicate Chickenman, it has been translated into German, into Dutch, into Swedish.
据《Chickenman》的制作者称，它已被翻译成德语、荷兰语、瑞典语。
It is still on the air, they say, in several dozen markets.
他们说，该节目仍在几十个市场播出。
Chickenman.
鸡人。
Chickenman existed years before National Public Radio existed as a national network.
Chickenman 早在国家公共广播电台作为全国性网络出现之前就已经存在了好几年。
Chickenman will continue probably years after we're all gone.
鸡人可能会在我们离开之后的几年里继续下去。
Like the mighty cockroach.
就像强大的蟑螂一样。
Like-- I don't know.
就像——我不知道。
Like the bagel.
就像百吉饼一样。
Like [?
喜欢 [？
Haleva.
哈勒瓦。
?] Chickenman endures, will endure.
？]鸡人忍耐，将会忍耐。
Well, let's hear what all the fuss was about.
好吧，让我们听听到底是怎么回事。
Now another exciting episode in the life of the most fantastic crime fighter the world has ever known.
现在，世界上最出色的犯罪斗士的生活中又发生了激动人心的一幕。
Bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk!
巴克、巴克、巴克、巴克！
Chickenman Show Chorus Member Chickenman!
鸡人秀合唱团成员鸡人！
Benton Harper, employed as a shoe salesman for a large downtown department store, spends his weekends, his only two days off, striking terror into the hearts of criminals everywhere as the white winged warrior called Chickenman.
本顿·哈珀（Benton Harper）受雇于市中心一家大型百货公司担任鞋类推销员，他利用周末（这是他仅有的两天休息时间），化身为“小鸡人”（Chickenman）的白翼战士，让各地罪犯心生恐惧。
How did it come about that Benton Harper, weekend winged warrior, selected the visage of the chicken in his crusade against the forces of evil?
本顿·哈珀（Benton Harper）这个周末有翅膀的战士是如何选择鸡的面孔来对抗邪恶势力的？
Now it can be told.
现在可以告诉了。
[DOOR OPENING] Costume Shop Saleswoman Yes, may I help you?
[开门] 服装店女售货员 是的，我可以帮你吗？
How do you do?
你好吗？
I'm looking for a costume.
我正在寻找一套服装。
What did you have in mind?
你有什么想法？
Benton Harper Something that will strike terror into the hearts of criminals everywhere.
本顿·哈珀（Benton Harper） 这会让世界各地的犯罪分子感到恐惧。
I see.
我懂了。
Well, how about this?
嗯，这个怎么样？
Benton Harper Hmm.
本顿·哈珀 嗯。
No, I don't think so.
不，我不这么认为。
Why not try it on?
为什么不尝试一下呢？
Benton Harper Very well.
本顿·哈珀 非常好。
Here, I'll help you.
在这里，我会帮助你。
Benton Harper Thank you.
本顿·哈珀 谢谢。
There you are.
你就在那里。
Now take a look in the mirror.
现在照照镜子吧。
Mm.
毫米。
Not bad.
不错。
I wonder if you would permit me to conduct a quick experiment outside this store.
我想知道你是否允许我在这家店外进行一个快速实验。
[DOOR OPENING] Benton Harper Pardon me, sir.
[开门]本顿·哈珀 请原谅我，先生。
Yeah?
是的？
Benton Harper Are you by chance a vicious criminal?
本顿·哈珀 (Benton Harper) 你是偶然成为一名恶毒的罪犯吗？
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
[AFFIRMATIVE] Benton Harper Fine.
[肯定] 本顿·哈珀·罚款。
Would you take a look at this costume I'm wearing?
你能看看我穿的这件衣服吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Benton Harper Do you feel anything strange?
Benton Harper 你觉得有什么奇怪的吗？
Anything at all?
有什么吗？
Uh, yeah.
呃，是的。
Benton Harper And what is that?
本顿·哈珀 那是什么？
I'd like to kiss ya'.
我想吻你。
Benton Harper Kiss me?
本顿·哈珀 吻我吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Benton Harper How do you account for that?
本顿·哈珀（Benton Harper）对此有何解释？
Because you look like an adorable bunny rabbit.
因为你看起来像一只可爱的小兔子。
[DOOR OPENING] Costume Shop Saleswoman Well, how did it go?
[开门] 服装店女售货员 嗯，进展如何？
What else do you have?
你还有什么？
Costume Shop Saleswoman A teddy bear and a chicken.
服装店女售货员一只泰迪熊和一只鸡。
A teddy bear?
泰迪熊？
Vicious Criminal Wouldn't it be cute?
恶毒罪犯是不是很可爱？
Wrap up the chicken, please.
请把鸡肉包起来。
Chickenman Show Announcer Be listening tomorrow for another exciting episode in the life of the most fantastic crime fighter the world has ever known.
Chickenman Show 播音员 明天请收听世界上最出色的犯罪斗士的生活中的另一个激动人心的剧集。
Bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk!
巴克、巴克、巴克、巴克！
Chickenman Show Chorus Member Chickenman!
鸡人秀合唱团成员鸡人！
I love these.
我喜欢这些。
You want to hear another?
你想听另一个吗？
We have time for another.
我们还有时间再聊一次。
You want to hear another?
你想听另一个吗？
The thing I love is how completely low key the performances are.
我喜欢的是表演的完全低调。
It's like they're not even trying.
就好像他们根本没有尝试过。
It's a complete aesthetic.
这是一种完整的审美。
All right.
好的。
Let's hear one more before we continue with the next act.
在我们继续下一幕之前，让我们再听一听。
Now another exciting episode in the life of the most fantastic crime fighter the world has ever known.
现在，世界上最出色的犯罪斗士的生活中又发生了激动人心的一幕。
Bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk!
巴克、巴克、巴克、巴克！
Chickenman Show Chorus Member Chickenman!
鸡人秀合唱团成员鸡人！
The office of the police commissioner of Midland City.
米德兰市警察局长办公室。
[PHONE RINGING] Receptionist Ms. Helfinger Hello, this is the commissioner--
[电话铃声] 接待员 Helfinger 女士 您好，我是专员——
Ms. Helfinger, this is the Winged Warrior.
赫尔芬格女士，这是翼武士。
Yes, what is it?
是的，那是什么？
Chickenman Please inform the commissioner that I'm now all set for test sequence number one.
Chickenman 请通知专员，我现在已准备好进行第一个测试序列。
What?
什么？
Chickenman It's all primed and ready to go.
鸡人一切都已准备就绪，可以出发了。
What are you talking about?
你在说什么？
Chickenman The Chicken Missile, Ms. Helfinger.
《小鸡人》《小鸡导弹》，赫尔芬格女士。
The Chicken Missile?
小鸡导弹？
Chickenman Yes.
鸡人 是的。
So tell the commissioner I'm ready for test sequence number one.
所以告诉专员我已经准备好进行第一个测试序列了。
[INTERCOM BUZZING] Police Commisioner Yes, Ms. Helfinger?
[对讲机嗡嗡声] 警察局长 是吗，赫尔芬格女士？
Commissioner, the Chicken Missile is ready to go.
专员，小鸡导弹已准备就绪。
Huh?
啊？
Receptionist Ms. Helfinger The Chicken Missile.
接待员 Helfinger 女士 小鸡导弹。
Oh, yes, of course, the-- Receptionist Ms. Helfinger And it's ready for test sequence number one.
哦，是的，当然，接待员 Helfinger 女士 已经准备好进行第一个测试序列了。
Test sequence number one.
测试序列第一。
Receptionist Ms. Helfinger Number one.
一号接待员赫尔芬格女士。
Hello, Winger Warrior?
你好，边锋战士？
Chickenman Right right, Ms. Helfinger.
鸡人 对对对，赫尔芬格女士。
Oh, fine.
哦，好吧。
In that case, Ms. Helfinger, have the commissioner standby with the Chicken Missile receiver.
在这种情况下，赫尔芬格女士让专员带着小鸡导弹接收器待命。
What?
什么？
Chickenman I'm going to countdown--
鸡人我要倒计时了——
Listen-- Chickenman [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
听着——鸡人[难以理解]。
We'll see you at 1400 hours.
我们1400点见。
[INTERCOM BUZZING] Police Commisioner Yes, Ms. Helfinger?
[对讲机嗡嗡声] 警察局长 是吗，赫尔芬格女士？
If I would say to you, "prepare the Chicken Missile receiver," would you know--
如果我对你说，“准备好小鸡导弹接收器”，你会知道吗——
No, I wouldn't.
不，我不会。
[WHISTLING SOUND OF MISSILE FLYING THROUGH THE AIR]
[导弹在空中飞行的呼啸声]
Yes?
是吗？
Receptionist Ms. Helfinger I would suggest that you crouch under your desk.
接待员 Helfinger 女士 我建议您蹲在桌子下面。
Crouch under my desk?
蹲在我桌子下面？
Receptionist Ms. Helfinger Yes, it should provide some protection.
接待员 Helfinger 女士 是的，应该提供一些保护。
[EXPLOSION] [GLASS BREAKING AND RUBBLE FALLING]
[爆炸][玻璃破碎和瓦砾掉落]
[SIRENS] Chickenman Show Announcer Well, say, that Chicken Missile really works nifty.
[SIRENS] 小鸡人秀播音员 好吧，小鸡导弹确实非常有用。
Will the Midland City Fire Department recommend that a Chicken Missile receiver be installed in what's left of Midland City Hall?
米德兰市消防局会建议在米德兰市政厅的剩余部分安装鸡导弹接收器吗？
Be listening tomorrow for another exciting episode in the life of the most fantastic crime fighter the world has ever known.
明天请收听世界上最出色的犯罪斗士的生活中的另一个激动人心的插曲。
Bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk!
巴克、巴克、巴克、巴克！
Chickenman Show Chorus Member Chickenman!
鸡人秀合唱团成员鸡人！
Well, thank you very much to the creator and voice of Chickenman , Mr. Dick Orkin.
嗯，非常感谢《鸡人》的创作者和配音者迪克·奥金先生。
Always very strange to talk to him on the phone to get permission to put these things on the radio because he sounds just like Chickenman.
通过电话与他交谈以获得将这些东西放在广播中的许可总是很奇怪，因为他听起来就像鸡人。
A collection of all the Chickenman episodes is for sale at radio-ranch.com, that's radio hyphen ranch dot com.
所有《小鸡人》剧集的合集可在 radio-ranch.com（即 radio hyphen ranch dot com）上出售。
Coming up, it ain't over till the fat chicken sings.
快到了，直到肥鸡唱歌才结束。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme and bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，并为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's show, during this period of greatest poultry consumption in our nation-- the two weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas-- we bring you stories of chickens, turkeys, ducks, fowl of all kind real and imagined.
今天的节目，在我们国家家禽消费最多的时期——感恩节和圣诞节之间的两周——我们为您带来鸡、火鸡、鸭子以及各种真实和想象的家禽的故事。
We've done this poultry show so many times year after year in November that today's show is basically a greatest hits of chicken stories from many, many years past.
我们在 11 月年复一年地举办了很多次家禽表演，今天的表演基本上是许多年前鸡故事的精选。
We've arrived at Act Three of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three: Chicken Diva.
第三幕：鸡女主角。
Chickens are what we make of them in a lot of ways.
鸡是我们通过多种方式制成的。
If you could possibly need further evidence of that after those first two acts we just heard, we have this story from Jack Hitt.
如果您在我们刚刚听到的前两幕之后可能需要进一步的证据，我们有杰克·希特的这个故事。
Oddly enough, it wasn't Susan who was obsessed with chickens, it was Kenny, a pal who worked backstage at the 92nd Street Y in New York.
奇怪的是，痴迷于鸡的并不是苏珊，而是在纽约 92 街 Y 后台工作的朋友肯尼。
His house was filled with chicken cups, chicken masks.
他的家里堆满了鸡杯、鸡面具。
He got the whole staff onto chickens, including Susan.
他让全体员工都去养鸡，包括苏珊。
For a time there in the 80s, poultry-related jokes and references became the fast way to get a laugh at the Y.
在 80 年代，与家禽相关的笑话和参考文献一度成为取笑 Y 人的快捷方式。
I guess most of us are condemned to see nothing more than the easy comedy of chickens, but Susan Vitucci saw something else-- their potential greatness, their hidden beauty, their grandeur.
我想我们大多数人只能看到鸡的简单喜剧，但苏珊·维图奇看到了其他东西——它们潜在的伟大，它们隐藏的美丽，它们的宏伟。
One day she glued together some finger puppets for a 10 minute rendition of the Chicken Little story for her nephew.
有一天，她把一些手指木偶粘在一起，为她的侄子表演了 10 分钟的《小鸡小故事》。
That was 14 years ago.
那是14年前的事了。
Today it is a full length opera enjoyed by a cult following whenever it goes up in a workshop or cafe or small theater.
如今，它已成为一部长篇歌剧，每当在工作室、咖啡馆或小剧院上演时，都会受到狂热追随者的喜爱。
It's still performed with finger puppets, but now it has a complete score written by a noted composer, Henry Krieger, who did Dreamgirls.
它仍然用手指木偶表演，但现在它有一个完整的乐谱，由著名作曲家亨利·克里格（Henry Krieger）创作，他曾创作过《梦幻女孩》。
The Chicken Little opera he wrote with Susan Vitucci is called Love's Fowl.
他与苏珊·维图奇（Susan Vitucci）合作创作的《小鸡》歌剧名为《爱情之鸡》。
Needless to say, that's F-O-W-L.
不用说，那就是F-O-W-L。
Well, we were going to start with the opening, Siamo del Teatro Repertorio delle Mollette.
好吧，我们将从开幕式《Siamo del Teatro Repertorio delle Mollette》开始。
We are the Clothespin Repertory Theater, and we have a special singing guest for you, which I don't know--
我们是衣夹话剧团，我们为你们准备了一位特别的歌唱嘉宾，我不知道——
Susan and I are sitting at Henry's baby grand piano.
苏珊和我坐在亨利的小型三角钢琴前。
Henry's guest is his Maltese terrier named Toby.
亨利的客人是他的马耳他梗犬托比。
Yeah, would she sit on your lap for this?
是啊，她会为此坐在你腿上吗？
Yeah, no, yeah.
是啊，不，是啊。
Let's see what we can do.
让我们看看我们能做什么。
OK.
好的。
OK, listen carefully.
好的，仔细听。
Because once Toby gets going, he actually harmonizes with Henry and Susan.
因为一旦托比开始行动，他实际上就与亨利和苏珊融为一体。
[MUSIC - HENRY KRIEGER AND SUSAN VITUCCI SINGING IN ITALIAN]
[音乐 - 亨利·克里格和苏珊·维图奇用意大利语演唱]
You may have noticed that this libretto is in Italian, just like a real opera.
您可能已经注意到，这个剧本是意大利语的，就像真正的歌剧一样。
Before, it was just a bunch of puppets in a box, you know, with a good idea.
以前，这只是盒子里的一堆木偶，你知道，有一个好主意。
And then suddenly, as soon as it went into Italian, it became something bigger than what it had been.
然后突然间，当它进入意大利语时，它就变得比原来更大了。
And it's because when it's in English, we all kind of know it and it's really not that interesting.
这是因为当它是英语时，我们都知道它，而且它真的没那么有趣。
It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
就好像，是啊，是啊，是啊。
As soon as it's in Italian, it gives us enough distance that we can come in.
一旦它是意大利语，它就给了我们足够的距离，让我们可以进来。
You know, it makes us-- it's like the lover who doesn't want you.
你知道，这让我们——就像情人不想要你一样。
You don't want anybody more than you want the one who doesn't want you.
你不想要任何人，正如你不想要那个不想要你的人一样。
Right?
正确的？
And so it's sort of the same thing.
所以这是同一件事。
[SINGING IN ITALIAN] Jack Hitt You may recall that when you last heard of Little, back in kindergarten, she was just an average barn door fowl who had an acorn drop on her head, which she mistakenly understood to be the sky falling.
[用意大利语唱歌] 杰克·希特 你可能还记得，当你最后一次听到利特尔的时候，还是在幼儿园，她只是一只普通的家禽，头上掉了一颗橡子，她错误地认为这是天塌下来的。
Her alarms excited her friends, Goosey Loosey, Turkey Lurkey, and Ducky Lucky.
她的闹钟让她的朋友 Goosey Loosey、Turkey Lurkey 和 Ducky Lucky 兴奋不已。
And they join her for a journey to the king to tell him the important news.
他们和她一起去见国王，告诉他重要的消息。
On the way, they meet up with Sly Fox.
途中，他们遇到了狡猾的狐狸。
Little's pals eagerly accept his invitation for dinner, literally, as it turns out.
事实证明，利特尔的朋友们热切地接受了他的晚餐邀请。
Fortunately for Little, hunger is not enough to distract her from her mission, and she tracks on.
对利特尔来说幸运的是，饥饿不足以分散她对使命的注意力，她继续前行。
When she meets the king, he tells her that the sky's not falling-- it's just an acorn.
当她遇到国王时，国王告诉她天并没有塌下来——这只是一颗橡子。
So the enlightened Chicken Little returns to her coop, and that's where the story ends.
于是，开明的小鸡回到了她的鸡舍，故事就此结束。
What are we to take away from Little's experience?
我们可以从利特尔的经历中得到什么？
I like to think it's that Little is rewarded with life, precisely because she went off on this Quixotic mission, totally in the grip of a wrong idea.
我喜欢认为利特尔得到了生命的回报，正是因为她完全被一个错误的想法所束缚，执行了这个堂吉诃德式的任务。
[SINGING IN ITALIAN] The children's fable barely figures into the story.
[用意大利语唱歌] 孩子们的寓言几乎没有出现在故事中。
It's just one small episode in the life of Chicken Little, now known as La Pulcina Piccola.
这只是小鸡（现在被称为“La Pulcina Piccola”）生活中的一小段插曲。
After the acorn incident, she goes on to become an internationally renowned figure in almost every field imaginable, a diva of politics, academe, theater, art, daring-do.
橡子事件后，她几乎在所有可以想象的领域成为国际知名人物，政治、学术、戏剧、艺术、大胆的天后。
Like Venus, she arrives from some other world, transported on a scallop shell.
和维纳斯一样，她是乘坐扇贝壳从另一个世界来到这里的。
But the triumphs of her life began after a youthful love affair with a fighting cock ends bitterly, and she consoles herself, as we all do at some point in our lives, by plunging into Shakespeare.
但她一生的胜利始于年轻时与一只斗鸡的恋情痛苦地结束后，她像我们所有人在生命中的某个时刻所做的那样，通过沉浸在莎士比亚的作品中来安慰自己。
She becomes an overnight sensation as an actress, celebrated all over the world for one role.
作为一名演员，她一夜成名，并因一个角色而享誉全球。
Juliet?
朱丽叶？
Cleopatra?
克利奥帕特拉？
Ophelia?
奥菲莉亚？
The company then performs an excerpt of a recreation of her signature role, which is Richard III.
随后，剧团表演了对她标志性角色理查德三世的重新演绎。
Well, you know, I mean, Sarah Bernhardt did Hamlet.
嗯，你知道，我的意思是，莎拉·伯恩哈特演了《哈姆雷特》。
Well, there's a great tradition of women playing the men's roles in Shakespeare, but I think Richard III is one of the more rare roles to be played by a woman.
嗯，莎士比亚有一个由女性扮演男性角色的伟大传统，但我认为理查三世是由女性扮演的较为罕见的角色之一。
Well, that's how adventuresome an actress this chicken was.
嗯，这就是这只鸡的女演员的冒险精神。
I can assure you there's nothing like watching a four inch tall finger puppet crying out, "a horse, a horse-- my kingdom for a horse" in Italian.
我可以向你保证，没有什么比观看一个四英寸高的手指木偶用意大利语喊出“一匹马，一匹马——我的马的王国”更好的了。
Not to mention that that puppet is a chicken, surrounded by a whole supporting cast of poultry and other avian supernumeraries.
更不用说那个木偶是一只鸡，周围是一整套家禽和其他鸟类的辅助演员。
Susan says that, artistically, there's something special about chickens.
苏珊说，从艺术角度来说，鸡有一些特别之处。
They're a clean slate.
他们是一块干净的石板。
You can put anything on them.
你可以在上面放任何东西。
You can project anything onto them.
你可以将任何东西投射到它们上面。
Because it's not like they have, to me, at least, a very strong personality.
因为至少对我来说，他们的个性并不很强。
Except for La Pulcina.
除了拉普尔西纳。
In the opera, she moves into the field of archaeology, masters it, needless to say, and makes a great discovery-- the last tomb of Gallapatra.
在歌剧中，她进入了考古学领域，不用说，她掌握了它，并做出了一项伟大的发现——加拉帕特拉的最后一座坟墓。
But not before she sails the seven seas, is ship wrecked, gets rescued-- but it's by pirates-- and then she meets the pirate king.
但在她航行七大洋之前，遭遇海难，被海盗救起——然后她遇到了海贼王。
As soon as he meets her, he falls in love with her, because of her sweet spirit.
他一见到她，就爱上了她，因为她的甜美气质。
Because she comes in and she says, "here you see a little chicken who, although I'm dripping wet, I'm proud and yellow."
因为她进来后说：“你看到一只小鸡，虽然我浑身湿透，但我很自豪，而且是黄色的。”
Let me repeat that lyric for you in a purer translation.
让我以更纯粹的翻译为您重复这句歌词。
"Although I stand before you, a chicken, who is dripping wet, I am proud and I am yellow." OK.
“虽然我站在你面前，一只鸡，浑身湿淋淋的，但我骄傲，我是黄色的。”好的。
Back to Susan.
回到苏珊。
"And although I've loved and I have lost, I have learned to follow the call of adventure.
“虽然我爱过，也失去过，但我学会了跟随冒险的召唤。
So let's sail on.
那么，让我们继续航行吧。
[SINGING IN ITALIAN] Jack Hitt Keep in mind that all of the action-- like everything that occurs in every Susan Vitucci production, ever since the first one for her nephew, and continuing to this day-- occurs among characters created by sticking a small painted Styrofoam ball onto a larger painted Styrofoam ball, poking in two map tacks for eyes, gluing on a tiny felt beak, and then impaling the whole thing on top of one of those really old fashioned clothes pins that a forties cartoon figure would clamp to his nose around a chunk of Limburger cheese.
[用意大利语演唱]杰克·希特（Jack Hitt）请记住，所有的动作——就像苏珊·维图奇（Susan Vitucci）的每一部作品中发生的一切一样，从为她侄子制作的第一部作品开始，一直持续到今天——都发生在通过将一个小彩绘聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料球粘在一个较大的彩绘泡沫塑料球上，戳进两个地图钉作为眼睛，粘上一个小毛毡喙，然后将整个东西刺穿在其中一个真正老式的顶部而创建的角色中。四十多岁的卡通人物会把衣夹夹在一块林堡奶酪周围，夹在鼻子上。
Susan has written, or she puts it, "translated" La Pulcina Piccola's diaries, which detail the other adventures that happened in between those in the opera.
苏珊（Susan）写了，或者她说，“翻译”了拉普尔西纳·皮科拉（La Pulcina Piccola）的日记，其中详细描述了歌剧中的人们之间发生的其他冒险经历。
There are 60 pages so far, excerpts of which have appeared in Clothes Lines, the official fan club newsletter of the opera.
到目前为止，共有 60 页，其中的摘录已出现在该歌剧的官方歌迷俱乐部时事通讯《晾衣绳》上。
Love's Fowl has a strange effect on people.
爱情之鸟对人有一种奇怪的影响。
I didn't understand until Susan loaned me a videotape of one performance.
直到苏珊借给我一盘表演的录像带时我才明白。
To be honest, I thought I would be annoyed at the intentional irony and hokiness of the puppets.
说实话，我以为我会对木偶的故意讽刺和矫揉造作感到恼火。
But there I was with my three year old daughter, who loved the show, watching a plastic bird pantomime one of the simplest human moments, but also one of the most profound-- the confession of a great love.
但我和我三岁的女儿一起观看了一场塑料鸟哑剧，她很喜欢这个节目，这是人类最简单的时刻之一，也是最深刻的时刻之一——伟大爱情的表白。
In this case, with a cock robin.
在这种情况下，是一只公鸡知更鸟。
The song that she sings as she enters goes, "I am a chicken and ready for love.
她进来时唱的歌是这样的：“我是一只鸡，准备好迎接爱情。
My heart is as fragile as the egg from which I was born.
我的心就像诞生我的鸡蛋一样脆弱。
Treat me gently, and so will I treat you.
对我温柔，我也会对你温柔。
Together from earthly love, we will reach for the divine." And then she sings, "I am a chicken, and I can't fly without love.
我们将一起从尘世的爱中到达神圣的地方。”然后她唱道：“我是一只鸡，没有爱我就无法飞翔。
My heart, it is as strong as the egg from which I was born." And so forth.
我的心，就像诞生我的鸡蛋一样坚强。”等等。
And so it is only with Cock Robin that she flies.
因此，只有与知更鸟一起，她才能飞翔。
[SINGING IN ITALIAN] Jack Hitt And after they've agreed to fly together, and they're soaring in the air, Cock Robin is shot and killed, murdered by a jealous sparrow.
[用意大利语唱歌] 杰克·希特 在他们同意一起飞行后，他们在空中翱翔，知更鸟被一只嫉妒的麻雀射杀。
I couldn't believe it, but I was getting choked up, especially when Cock Robin appeared on the stage, his Styrofoam body spray painted black for the lament, has little magic marker eyes drawn as x's.
我简直不敢相信，但我简直哽咽了，尤其是当公鸡罗宾出现在舞台上时，他的泡沫塑料身体喷漆成黑色以表示哀悼，还有小魔法标记眼睛画成x的。
I gathered my daughter in my arms and held on tight, as I was helplessly drawn into an expression of the grief and suffering of this little sad bird.
我把女儿抱在怀里，紧紧地抱住，我无助地被这只悲伤的小鸟的悲伤和痛苦的表情所吸引。
In this era of slick special effects, there was something unexpectedly liberating in the marriage of this crude medium-- painted Styrofoam balls bobbing up and down behind a cardboard box-- and the high melodramatic art of Italian opera.
在这个特效华丽的时代，这种粗糙的媒介——在纸板箱后面上下摆动的彩绘聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料球——与意大利歌剧的高度戏剧化艺术的结合，带来了意想不到的解放。
Picture it.
想象一下。
[SINGING IN ITALIAN] I want a subscription to that newsletter.
[用意大利语唱歌]我想要订阅该时事通讯。
Are you going to do this?
你打算这样做吗？
I mean, are you going to be working with Pulcina Piccola, you think, for the rest of your life?
我的意思是，您认为您会在余生中与 Pulcina Piccola 一起工作吗？
It's possible.
这是有可能的。
And I like working with her because I get to go into a world that's inhabited by a very sweet spirit.
我喜欢和她一起工作，因为我可以进入一个充满甜蜜精神的世界。
And play with the mechanics of the world.
并玩弄世界的机制。
And because it's very small-- I could never have afforded to produce this show with people.
而且因为它很小——我永远不可能负担得起与人一起制作这个节目。
But I could afford to do it with clothespins.
但我可以用衣夹来做这件事。
So I can do as big a production as I want with clothespins.
这样我就可以用衣夹制作尽可能大的作品。
I can have stuff fly in and out and come in from traps, and I can have all kinds of fancy, flashy stuff that costs millions of dollars to do on Broadway.
我可以让东西飞进飞出，从陷阱里飞进来，我可以拥有各种花哨、华丽的东西，这些东西在百老汇要花费数百万美元才能完成。
And it costs me $200 because I had to buy lots and lots of Styrofoam and clothespins and stuff, and all this, and a new table maybe.
这花了我 200 美元，因为我必须买很多很多泡沫塑料、衣夹之类的东西，还有所有这些，也许还需要一张新桌子。
And I get to do whatever I want.
我可以做任何我想做的事。
[SINGING IN ITALIAN] Ira Glass Jack Hitt is a writer who lives in New Haven.
[用意大利语唱歌] 艾拉·格拉斯·杰克·希特 (Ira Glass Jack Hitt) 是一位住在纽黑文的作家。
[MUSIC - "FINGER LICKIN' GOOD" BY THE BEASTIE BOYS]
[音乐 - BEASTIE BOYS 的“Finger lickin' Good”]
Act Four-- Trying To Respect The Chicken.
第四幕——尝试尊重鸡。
Sure, it's one thing to take a fictional character like Chicken Little and make her into a star.
当然，让像小鸡这样的虚构人物成为明星是一回事。
Try doing that with a real chicken.
尝试用一只真正的鸡来做这个。
Just try.
试试吧。
Well, these are photographs of chickens.
嗯，这些是鸡的照片。
The first one here is a Silver Laced Wyandotte.
这里的第一个是银花边怀恩多特 (Silver Laced Wyandotte)。
It's a black and white bird, essentially, but the tail feathers have a lot of iridescent green coloring.
它本质上是一只黑白相间的鸟，但尾羽有很多虹彩绿色。
In a world where chickens get no respect, Tamara Staples treats them the way the humans treat those we revere most.
在一个鸡不受尊重的世界里，塔玛拉·斯台普斯对待它们就像人类对待我们最尊敬的人一样。
She takes their portraits lovingly.
她充满爱意地为他们拍摄肖像。
Her shots are like fashion photographs, beautifully-lit, color backdrops.
她的照片就像时尚照片，光线优美，背景色彩丰富。
They're beautiful.
她们很漂亮。
The first one looked regal, but now you've just turned to one where it almost looks like-- it's like a clown.
第一个看起来很富丽堂皇，但现在你已经变成了一个几乎看起来像小丑的人。
it looks comic.
它看起来很滑稽。
Mm-hm.
嗯嗯。
[AFFIRMATIVE] It's a modeled Houdan, which I always sort of call the Phyllis Diller chicken, which is--
[肯定] 这是一只模型化的 Houdan，我总是称之为菲利斯·迪勒鸡，它是——
Oh, my God.
哦，天啊。
That chicken does look like Phyllis Diller.
那只鸡看起来确实像菲利斯·迪勒。
It does.
确实如此。
It's the hat.
这是帽子。
It looks like it's got this huge feathered hat sort of thing, and a strange body shape.
看起来它有一个巨大的羽毛帽子之类的东西，还有奇怪的体型。
In a way, it's like Tamara Staples is running an odd little cross-species science experiment, one that asks this question: what happens when you try to treat a chicken the way we treat humans?
在某种程度上，塔玛拉·斯台普斯（Tamara Staples）正在进行一项奇怪的小型跨物种科学实验，该实验提出了这样一个问题：当你尝试像对待人类一样对待一只鸡时，会发生什么？
Even if it's just for the length of a photo shoot.
即使只是为了拍摄照片的时间。
What happens, it turns out, is that you learn just where the thin line is that divides human beings from birds.
事实证明，你会了解到区分人类和鸟类的细线在哪里。
All right.
好吧。
Maybe it's not such a thin line, but it's definitely a line, and, like most city people, I had never thought about it.
也许它不是那么细的线，但它绝对是一条线，而且，像大多数城市人一样，我从来没有想过它。
About where it lays, about what it might be, what it might consist of, until Tamara and I headed out to a farm.
关于它的位置、它可能是什么、它可能由什么组成，直到塔玛拉和我前往一个农场。
Yeah, we've got to get him.
是的，我们必须抓住他。
We don't want him to get dirty or anything, do we?
我们不想让他弄脏什么的，是吗？
Or does it matter?
或者这有关系吗？
She runs loose every day.
她每天都在逍遥法外。
Tamara Staples Can you find her?
塔玛拉·斯台普斯 你能找到她吗？
Yeah, we can take her out.
是的，我们可以带她出去。
Tamara Staples We're going to get him to-- we're going to have to wrangle them, you know.
塔玛拉·斯台普斯：我们要让他——我们必须与他们争论，你知道。
We're at the Davidson's Dairy Farm, about an hour and a half northwest of Chicago.
我们位于戴维森奶牛场，距芝加哥西北约一个半小时车程。
Family members present-- Paul, who's helping Tamara choose a bird to photograph, his sister Laura, who's studying photography at a nearby university, the grandfather, George Cairns, a veteran breeder, their father, Dick, who seems the most skeptical of this whole project, but who patiently shows Tamara and her assistant, Dennis, the milking barn as a possible place to set up and shoot.
家庭成员在场——保罗正在帮助塔玛拉选择一只要拍摄的鸟，他的妹妹劳拉在附近的一所大学学习摄影，祖父乔治·凯恩斯是一位经验丰富的饲养员，他们的父亲迪克似乎对整个项目最持怀疑态度，但他耐心地向塔玛拉和她的助手丹尼斯展示了挤奶棚作为一个可能的设置和拍摄地点。
What kind of an area are you looking for?
您正在寻找什么样的区域？
Well, maybe-- it could be a little wider, don't you think?
好吧，也许——它可以更宽一点，你不觉得吗？
And if it could be from here to there, and know that pole to that pole.
如果它可以从这里到那里，并且知道从那一极到那极。
Well, we are set-- maybe this is a good time to pull out the portfolio.
好吧，我们已经准备好了——也许现在是退出投资组合的好时机。
I'm actually-- it's a study of the birds.
我实际上——这是对鸟类的研究。
But it's an isolated study, so it doesn't-- people aren't necessarily associating it with the farm and something to eat.
但这是一项孤立的研究，所以它不是——人们不一定将它与农场和吃的东西联系起来。
Tamara takes us all outside the barn-- so dust won't get on her photos-- and shows them her shots, name dropping the names of some big chicken people, people whose birds she's photographed.
塔玛拉把我们大家带到谷仓外面——这样灰尘就不会沾到她的照片上——并向他们展示她的照片，并列出了一些大鸡人的名字，以及她拍摄过的鸟类的名字。
Including Bob Wulff, editor of The Poultry Press.
其中包括家禽出版社的编辑鲍勃·武尔夫 (Bob Wulff)。
Dick notices that a bird in one photo has crooked toes.
迪克注意到一张照片中的一只鸟的脚趾是弯曲的。
Well, the pictures are nice and sharp.
嗯，这些照片既漂亮又清晰。
I mean, there's nothing wrong with the pictures.
我的意思是，照片没有任何问题。
If there's anything to find fault with, it's the birds.
如果说有什么可挑剔的话，那就是鸟儿了。
You know, they aren't posing the way they should, some of them.
你知道，他们中的一些人并没有按照应有的方式摆出姿势。
Fact is, while city people usually go nuts when they see Tamara's pictures, a lot of chicken breeders don't like them.
事实上，虽然城里人看到塔玛拉的照片时通常会发疯，但很多养鸡人却不喜欢它们。
And to understand why, to fully comprehend this little culture clash here in America, we have to leave the barnyard for a minute and flash back to something that happened back at Tamara's apartment in the city.
为了理解为什么，为了充分理解美国这里的这种小小的文化冲突，我们必须离开谷仓一分钟，回顾一下塔玛拉在城里的公寓里发生的事情。
Tamara showed me this old red book from the turn of the century.
塔玛拉给我看了这本世纪之交的旧红书。
This is a book the seal of the American Poultry Association in gold on the front.
这本书的正面有美国家禽协会的金色印章。
And then, right there in gold letters--
然后，就在那里，用金色的字母——
Standard of Perfection.
完美的标准。
The Standard of Perfection is really the bible of poultry standards.
《完美标准》确实是家禽标准的圣经。
You know, what birds are--
你知道，什么是鸟——
Tamara flipped past the engravings and illustrations of chickens of all types and breeds.
塔玛拉翻阅了各种类型和品种的鸡的雕刻和插图。
These were show chickens, standing the way that chickens stand in competitions.
这些都是表演鸡，就像鸡在比赛中的表现一样。
Then Tamara pulled out one of her own photos to compare, to show me how her poses do not meet the standard in the book.
然后塔玛拉拿出一张她自己的照片来对比，让我看看她的姿势怎么不符合书上的标准。
The tail needs to be higher.
尾巴需要更高。
Her feet are not erect, standing.
她的脚没有直立，站立着。
Chest isn't out.
胸没出来。
Head, it needs to be up more.
头，还需要再涨一点。
And it shows-- I mean, you can see the shape of the chicken much better in the Standard of Perfection pose.
它表明——我的意思是，在完美标准姿势中你可以更好地看到鸡的形状。
See, to me, what's so interesting, though, is that the Standard of Perfection doesn't include a personality.
对我来说，有趣的是，完美的标准并不包括个性。
Right.
对。
Because it's not about personality.
因为这与个性无关。
It's about breeding.
这是关于繁殖的。
And so is that a pose that the owners would want to own a photo of?
那么业主们是否愿意拍下这个姿势的照片呢？
They are very particular about this-- they want to see their bird in the Standard of Perfection pose.
他们对此非常挑剔——他们希望看到他们的鸟处于完美标准的姿势。
Definitely.
绝对是。
Because that's what they've been taught from 4-H, when they were kids, to do.
因为这就是他们小时候从 4-H 被教导要做的事情。
That's for them.
那是给他们的。
For herself, for her city customers, she uses the others.
为了她自己，为了她的城市顾客，她利用其他人。
OK, back to the barnyard.
好吧，回到谷仓。
[CHICKEN SQUAKING] Tamara and the Davidsons decide to set up the photo session in a room that's usually used to store feed for the cows.
[鸡叫声] 塔玛拉和戴维森夫妇决定在一个通常用来储存奶牛饲料的房间里拍摄照片。
It takes about 45 minutes to set this up.
设置此过程大约需要 45 分钟。
That 45 minutes includes dismantling and moving a wall of hay that is probably 10 feet high and 15 feet long.
这 45 分钟包括拆除和移动一堵可能高 10 英尺、长 15 英尺的干草墙。
This takes five people.
这需要五个人。
Then in comes the power and the fancy lights and the cloth backdrop that gets hung from the steel pole.
然后是电源、精美的灯光以及悬挂在钢杆上的布背景。
The backdrop is ironed first with an iron and ironing board brought from the city just for that purpose.
首先用专门从城里带来的熨斗和熨衣板熨烫背景。
Yeah.
是的。
11 and 1/2-- your test is going to be at 11 and 1/2, 11, and 8 and 1/2.
11 又 1/2——您的测试将在 11 又 1/2、11 和 8 又 1/2。
We're going to shoot your film at 11.
我们将在 11 点拍摄你的电影。
It was cold.
天气很冷。
Well below freezing.
远低于冰点。
So cold that the Polaroid film that Tamara uses for lighting tests would not fully develop.
太冷了，塔玛拉用于照明测试的宝丽莱胶片无法完全显影。
You ready for the bird?
你准备好迎接那只鸟了吗？
Tamara Staples We're close.
塔玛拉·斯台普斯 我们很接近了。
Just want to commune with the bird.
只是想和鸟交流。
We just want to make you pretty.
我们只是想让你变得漂亮。
Look how sweet, aren't you?
你看，多么甜蜜，不是吗？
You know what, I'm going to photograph you.
你知道吗，我要给你拍照。
My name is Tamara, I'll be your photographer for today.
我叫塔玛拉，今天我将担任你们的摄影师。
Our first bird is a white Cornish, a show bird who belongs to George.
我们的第一只鸟是一只白色康沃尔鸟，一只属于乔治的表演鸟。
His show bird is used to being picked up and handled.
他的表演鸟已经习惯了被抱起和处理。
Part of preparing chickens for shows involves handling them a lot so they'll be calm with the judges.
准备鸡参加表演的一部分包括经常与它们接触，这样它们就能在评委面前保持冷静。
If you could just nudge his head up a little bit, he's perfect.
如果你能把他的头稍微抬起一点，他就完美了。
He's got his chest out.
他已经挺胸了。
Now he's got his face in-- OK.
现在他的脸已经露出来了——好吧。
Yeah, you know what we want.
是的，你知道我们想要什么。
Yeah, you're-- great, George.
是的，你太棒了，乔治。
He's got a feather on his back here.
他的背上有一根羽毛。
Tamara has the Cornish stand up on a stack of little red antique books-- kind of unsteady.
塔玛拉让康沃尔人站在一堆红色小古董书上——有点不稳定。
Things go well for a while.
事情进展顺利一段时间。
She gets a half dozen good shots of the bird.
她拍到了六张关于这只鸟的好照片。
Expressive shots.
富有表现力的镜头。
More personality than Standard of Perfection, George tells me.
乔治告诉我，比完美标准更有个性。
The bird's chest isn't high enough, it's body is not turned correctly to the camera.
鸟的胸部不够高，它的身体没有正确转向相机。
And then the bird stops cooperating.
然后鸟儿就停止合作了。
He gets tired.
他累了。
Paul has a suggestion.
保罗有一个建议。
Bring in a pull-it.
带一个拉进去。
Tamara Staples You know what?
塔玛拉·斯台普斯 你知道吗？
You know that works.
你知道那是有效的。
Maybe we should explain what that is.
也许我们应该解释一下那是什么。
What does that mean to bring a pull-it?
带拉杆是什么意思？
Laura grabs a hen and waves it at the flaccid cock.
劳拉抓起一只母鸡，向软弱的公鸡挥舞。
The cock does not rise.
公鸡不升起。
I can say that on the radio, right?
我可以在广播里这么说，对吗？
Well, it probably would have been better to get the one from the other pen that he's not used to.
好吧，最好从他不习惯的另一只笔里拿一个。
Fresh blood.
新鲜血液。
Bring him around a little bit so his back--
把他带过来一点，这样他的背--
For real?
真的吗？
The chicken-- the rooster will show off more for a hen that it doesn't know?
鸡——公鸡会向母鸡炫耀更多它不知道的东西吗？
Yes.
是的。
If you put a new hen in with him, or him in with a group a new hens, he will really show off.
如果你把一只新母鸡和他放在一起，或者让他和一群新母鸡放在一起，他真的会很炫耀。
They try this and that, nothing with much success.
他们尝试了这个、那个，但都没有取得多大成功。
Finally, with one shot left, Paul suggests putting a hen into the picture with the rooster.
最后，在还剩最后一个镜头时，保罗建议将一只母鸡和公鸡一起放入画面中。
Get the girl to-- she looks like her feet are so far apart, she's really struggling to stand.
让那个女孩——她看起来双脚分开很远，真的很难站起来。
[INAUDIBLE PHRASE].
[听不清的短语]。
Tamara Staples That's all right, that's all right.
塔玛拉·斯台普斯 没关系，没关系。
Ah-- [CAMERA CLICKS] Oh, did you see that?
啊——[镜头点击]哦，你看到了吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Tamara Staples All right, we got it.
塔玛拉·斯台普斯 好吧，我们明白了。
She looked up at him very sweetly.
她抬起头，非常甜蜜地看着他。
Like that.
就这样。
With her head cocked.
她歪着头。
The male bird was posing, and she was posing also, but had a personality of just being like the sweet, doting mother, you now?
雄鸟在摆姿势，她也在摆姿势，但性格就像是一个可爱、溺爱的妈妈，你现在呢？
So we're done with this background, and--
我们已经完成了这个背景，并且——
Not Standard of Perfection.
不是完美的标准。
Even these perfectly bred Cornishes could not achieve the Standard of Perfection today.
即使是这些完美培育的康沃尔犬也无法达到今天的完美标准。
And even in this goofy, un-bird-like situation, an hour of watching them makes clear just how hard it is to ever get birds to hit the standard.
即使在这种愚蠢的、不像鸟类的情况下，观察一个小时就可以清楚地看出让鸟类达到标准是多么困难。
Which is to say not only do we completely dominate every aspect of the lives of chickens-- their births, their feed, their eggs, their slaughter-- not only have we bred them to human specifications to meet human needs, but we have created a standard for what it means to be a chicken that most chickens can never meet.
这就是说，我们不仅完全主宰了鸡生活的方方面面——它们的出生、饲料、鸡蛋、屠宰——不仅按照人类的规格饲养它们以满足人类的需求，而且我们还为鸡的定义制定了一个大多数鸡永远无法达到的标准。
That's what the standard means.
这就是标准的意义。
We judge them as chickens, and we find them lacking.
我们把他们视为鸡，我们发现他们缺乏。
If they had brains to understand this, they would be right to feel indignant.
如果他们有脑子明白这一点，他们感到愤慨也是有道理的。
But of course, this is a city person's perspective, and that means it is completely wrong-headed from the point of view of anybody who actually raises birds.
当然，这是城市人的观点，从任何真正养鸟的人的角度来看，这是完全错误的。
Standing in the cold feed room, I had a long, long talk with George about this.
站在冰冷的饲养室里，我和乔治就这件事进行了很长很长的交谈。
George is 80 years old.
乔治已经80岁了。
He's been raising birds since the-- I guess the Calvin Coolidge administration.
我猜自从卡尔文·柯立芝政府执政以来，他就一直在养鸟。
And he says the whole fun of raising birds is raising them to the standard.
他说饲养鸟类的全部乐趣在于将它们提高到标准。
Well, like, for instance, if your birds lack bone, OK, you go out and buy a bird as near to like them as you can with better bone.
好吧，举例来说，如果你的鸟儿缺乏骨头，好吧，你出去买一只尽可能喜欢它们、骨头更好的鸟儿。
But when you mate them together, you might get long-legged birds, or too short.
但当你把它们交配在一起时，你可能会得到长腿的鸟，或者太短的腿。
I mean, you don't get what you want just by mating.
我的意思是，仅仅通过交配你并不能得到你想要的东西。
It takes four or five years to gradually get it out, and by that time, they're inbred and you need new ones.
需要四五年的时间才能逐渐摆脱它，到那时，它们已经近亲繁殖，你需要新的。
George tells me that when he's breeding a new batch of birds, he'll hatch 65 of them, and only one or two will be anywhere near the Standard of Perfection.
乔治告诉我，当他培育一批新的鸟时，他会孵化出 65 只，其中只有一两只接近完美标准。
That's how hard it is.
就是这么难。
Do you get frustrated with the Standard Of Protection sometimes?
您有时会对保护标准感到沮丧吗？
No, we get frustrated with the judges.
不，我们对法官感到沮丧。
Because every judge has his own idea of what the standard should be.
因为每个法官对于标准应该是什么都有自己的想法。
I thought that's the whole point of a standard, is that--
我认为这就是标准的全部要点，那就是——
That is.
也就是说。
But one judge will want it this way, and another another.
但一位法官会希望这样，另一位法官会希望这样。
Today, if you bred your birds to the standard of perfection-- weight and everything-- and took them to the show, you probably wouldn't get anywhere.
今天，如果你按照完美的标准饲养你的鸽子——体重和一切——并把它们带到比赛中，你可能一事无成。
You've got to breed to the fads.
你必须迎合时尚。
That's right.
没错。
The fads.
时尚。
Like Cornishes these days are supposed to have shorter legs than the real Standard of Perfection.
就像现在的康沃尔人一样，人们认为他们的腿比真正的完美标准要短。
Vertical tail feathers are out in all sorts of breeds that really should have them.
垂直尾羽在所有真正应该拥有的品种中都没有。
In the country, among the chicken breeders, they think about a lot of things you never get to in the city.
在乡村，养鸡人会思考很多在城市里永远想不到的事情。
And when you're raising these birds, with any of these birds, do you have a close relationship with a bird the way some do [UNINTELLIGIBLE] with a pet?
当您饲养这些鸟时，与这些鸟中的任何一只一起饲养时，您与鸟的关系是否像某些人与宠物[难以理解]一样？
I don't have time.
我没有时间。
Yeah, I got too many things to do.
是啊，我还有太多事情要做。
See, a few years ago, I almost died of cancer, and the Good Lord told me how to cure myself.
看，几年前，我差点死于癌症，上帝告诉我如何治愈自己。
And so I've been working with that a lot the last three years.
所以过去三年我一直在做很多工作。
I've been helping people, and put in papers.
我一直在帮助人们，并发表论文。
Now it's getting all over the United States.
现在它已经传遍了美国。
It's you use the root of a dandelion.
这是你用蒲公英的根。
Simple as can be.
尽可能简单。
But there's something in that that builds up your blood and your immune system.
但其中有一些东西可以增强你的血液和免疫系统。
Wait a second.
等一下。
You're saying that you were diagnosed with cancer, and this is the only treatment you've had, and it cured you?
你是说你被诊断出患有癌症，这是你接受过的唯一治疗，并且它治愈了你？
Yeah.
是的。
And I've given it to other people when the medical world has told them that there's nothing more they can do, and they've gotten well, too.
当医学界告诉其他人他们无能为力时，我就把它给了他们，他们也康复了。
But not all of them.
但不是全部。
If they're too far gone, it won't help them.
如果他们走得太远，那对他们没有帮助。
And you make it into tea or something like that?
你把它做成茶或类似的东西吗？
We just put it in a little water, a little milk, Kool-Aide.
我们只是把它放入一点水、一点牛奶、Kool-Aide 中。
You can put it on a sandwich.
你可以把它放在三明治上。
Anything that isn't hot.
任何不热的东西。
George gives me a pamphlet that he's written up.
乔治给了我一本他写的小册子。
No doctor has actually checked him out to prove the cancer is gone from his body.
没有医生真正对他进行过检查以证明癌症已从他体内消失。
He's actually got no hard scientific proof that this really works, but he says God told him that this is the way he should be spending his time.
事实上，他没有确凿的科学证据证明这确实有效，但他说上帝告诉他，这就是他应该度过时间的方式。
And it has cut into his bird breeding a bit.
这也对他的鸟类繁殖造成了一些影响。
George leaves, off on other business.
乔治离开去干别的事了。
Tamara is finished hanging and lighting the next backdrop.
塔玛拉完成了下一个背景的悬挂和照明。
And the rest of us begin with the second bird, a bird called a Brahma, with elaborately patterned brown and white feathers.
我们其他人从第二只鸟开始，一种叫做梵天的鸟，有着精心设计的棕色和白色羽毛。
She is big.
她很大。
This is a chicken like the size of a dog.
这是一只像狗一样大小的鸡。
[LAUGHING] Our second bird demonstrates the great distance between bird, instinct, and intelligence.
[笑]我们的第二只鸟展示了鸟、本能和智力之间的巨大距离。
And the demands of modern fashion photography, which is to say, of civilization.
以及现代时尚摄影的要求，也就是文明的要求。
Called upon to do human tasks, even rather passive ones, a bird remains a bird.
鸟儿被要求去做人类的任务，即使是相当被动的任务，但它仍然是鸟。
Paul carries the huge hen onto the fragile little set Tamara has built.
保罗把这只巨大的母鸡带到了塔玛拉搭建的脆弱的小布景上。
He's a beauty.
他是个美人。
What ya eating there, buddy?
伙计，你在那里吃什么？
[BIRD SQUAKING] Tamara Staples Whew, it slapped me.
[鸟叫声] 塔玛拉·斯台普斯 唷，它打了我一巴掌。
"I'm scared of this one," she says, quietly, as she adjusts her camera.
“我害怕这个，”她一边调整相机，一边轻声说道。
The chicken is so big-- nine pounds, the size of a small consumer turkey-- that she has to pull the camera back.
这只鸡太大了——九磅，相当于一只小型火鸡的大小——她不得不把相机拉回来。
the Davidsons are looking at her skeptically.
戴维森一家怀疑地看着她。
Paul asked pointedly if she's ever shot a bird this big.
保罗尖锐地问她是否射杀过这么大的鸟。
[BIRD CLUCKING] Tamara Staples Hello, bird.
[鸟儿咯咯叫] 塔玛拉·斯台普斯 你好，鸟儿。
Are you going to slap me in the face again?
你又要打我脸吗？
I hope not.
我希望不会。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] jump right in your face.
[无法理解]跳到你脸上。
You know why you're here?
你知道你为什么在这里吗？
Let's talk.
我们来谈谈吧。
We need you to be beautiful.
我们需要你变得美丽。
Here's your moment.
这是你的时刻。
OK?
好的？
There are more where you came from, buddy.
还有更多你来自的地方，伙计。
You better act up here.
你最好在这里表现一下。
This combination of coddling and threats might motivate an aspiring supermodel, or an eager puppy.
这种溺爱和威胁的结合可能会激励一个有抱负的超级名模，或者一只渴望的小狗。
But this, after all, is a chicken.
但这毕竟是一只鸡。
Laura tries to lure it up with a handful of corn.
劳拉试图用一把玉米引诱它。
She standing-- Paul Davidson She can get corn, or she's trying to get it, but she has to stand up high for it.
她站着——保罗·戴维森 她可以得到玉米，或者她正在努力得到它，但她必须站起来。
Someone during this ordeal, a funny thing happens.
有人在经历这场磨难时，发生了一件有趣的事情。
All the Davidsons, who all started off skeptical, they are completely engaged.
所有戴维森一家一开始都持怀疑态度，但现在他们完全投入了。
Dick suggests a pose that is pure art concept, a pose that could not be further from Standard of Perfection.
迪克提出的姿势是纯粹的艺术概念，距离完美标准再远不过了。
Laura lures the bird with corn, Paul smooths feathers, and when the bird quivers or moves a wing, three people jump in to fix it back up.
劳拉用玉米引诱小鸟，保罗抚平羽毛，当小鸟颤抖或移动翅膀时，三个人跳进去将其修复。
There's some feathers on the breast a little bit.
胸部有一些羽毛。
A little bit fluffy.
有点蓬松。
You know, it's like she's not real cleaned on there-- OK.
你知道，就好像她那里没有真正清理干净——好吧。
She's a little farther.
她有点远。
You guys are a great team.
你们是一支很棒的团队。
I'm going to hire you to come with me.
我要雇你跟我一起去。
Oops, I got a hand in there.
哎呀，我把手伸进去了。
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
[插话]
[LAUGHING] Move the hand, move the hand.
[笑] 动动手，动动手。
Move the hand.
移动一下手。
OK, great.
好的，太好了。
It wasn't until this point that I realized that I came into this sort of expecting the bird to be more, well, more human.
直到此时，我才意识到我开始期待这只鸟变得更加、嗯、更加人性化。
Partly, I think, because I had never really thought about this one way or the other.
我想，部分原因是我从来没有真正思考过这一点。
But partly because Tamara's photos make chicken seem so thoughtful.
但部分原因是塔玛拉的照片让鸡显得如此深思熟虑。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE].
[无法理解]。
[PEOPLE CLICKING TO GET BIRD'S ATTENTION]
[人们点击以引起鸟的注意]
Over here.
在这里。
Look at the camera, look at the camera.
看相机，看相机。
Right there.
就在那里。
Those photos are a lie.
这些照片是谎言。
[PEOPLE CLICKING TO GET BIRD'S ATTENTION]
[人们点击以引起鸟的注意]
Hello?
你好？
Paul Davidson I think you're going to have a one shot opportunity here.
保罗·戴维森（Paul Davidson） 我想你在这里会有一次机会。
It's going to be when I let go.
当我放手的时候就会这样。
Whoa.
哇哦。
Geez, I didn't even let go.
哎呀，我什至没有放开。
I just started to let up and he yanked it right out of my hand.
我刚要放松，他就把它从我手里夺走了。
Fact is, you can try to give chickens respect.
事实上，你可以尝试尊重鸡。
You can try to treat them dignity, and photograph them the way you'd photograph anything or anyone that's serious, but the chickens will not care.
你可以尝试尊重它们，并以拍摄任何严肃的事物或任何人的方式拍摄它们，但鸡不会在意。
You can make them look dignified, but it is a brainless, bird-like dignity, and it is ephemeral.
你可以让他们看起来威严，但那是一种无脑的、鸟儿般的威严，而且是转瞬即逝的。
Do you feel like your relationship with chicken has changed because of this?
你是否觉得你和鸡的关系因此而改变了呢？
No. Not at all.
不，一点也不。
Ira Glass How could that not be so?
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 怎么可能不是这样呢？
Um, I order the chicken when I'm at the show.
嗯，我在演出时点了鸡肉。
I eat it right in front of the chickens.
我就在鸡面前吃它。
You eat chicken while you're standing there with a chicken?
当你和鸡站在一起时你吃鸡吗？
Yes.
是的。
[LAUGHING] Is it wrong?
[笑] 有错吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
I'm hungry.
我饿了。
We pack up our gear and move the massive wall of hay back into place.
我们收拾好装备，把巨大的干草墙移回原位。
As we do this, chickens hop by.
当我们这样做时，鸡就会跳过去。
Brahmas, Americanas, mixed breeds.
梵天、美洲、混合品种。
They seem utterly uninterested in us.
他们似乎对我们完全不感兴趣。
They cluck at each other, there's feed to eat, hay to nestle in-- they have better things to do with their time.
它们互相咯咯地叫着，有饲料可以吃，有干草可以栖息——它们有更好的事情可以打发时间。
And you know, there's nothing that makes you realize just how inhuman chickens are than spending a day trying to make them seem human.
你知道，没有什么比花一天时间试图让鸡看起来像人更能让你意识到鸡是多么不人道了。
[CHICKEN AND COW SOUNDS] Credits Ira Glass Well, the stories in today's program were produced by Alex Blumberg, Susan Burton, Blue Chevigny, Julie Snyder, Alix Spiegel and Nancy Updike.
[鸡和牛的声音] 鸣谢 Ira Glass 嗯，今天节目中的故事由 Alex Blumberg、Susan Burton、Blue Chevigny、Julie Snyder、Alix Spiegel 和 Nancy Updike 制作。
Musical help from Mr. John Connors.
约翰·康纳斯先生提供音乐帮助。
Thanks also to Larry Josephson and Jay Hedblade.
还要感谢拉里·约瑟夫森和杰伊·赫德布莱德。
Elizabeth Meister runs our web site.
伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。
Tamara Staples' photographs of chickens are now in a book called Fairest Fowl: Portraits of Championship Chickens.
塔玛拉·斯泰普斯 (Tamara Staples) 的鸡照片现在收录在一本名为《最美丽的家禽：冠军鸡的肖像》的书中。
Susan Vitucci's opera about Chicken Little is available on CD at www.pulcina.org.
苏珊·维图奇 (Susan Vitucci) 创作的关于小鸡 (Chicken Little) 的歌剧 CD 可以在 www.pulcina.org 上找到。
That is Pulcina spelled, of course, P-U-L-C-I-N-A.
当然，这是 Pulcina 的拼写，P-U-L-C-I-N-A。
WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who decided he did not want to come onto our program after he asked just one question--
WBEZ 管理由托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia) 负责监督，他只问了一个问题就决定不想加入我们的计划——
This is just radio, not TV?
这只是广播，不是电视？
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass.
艾拉·格拉斯 我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。