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Act One: Bulls in Our Hearts Ira Glass The story goes like this.
第一幕：我们心中的公牛 艾拉·格拉斯 故事是这样的。
Recently I heard about this couple.
最近我听说了这对夫妇。
He's in his 40s.
他40多岁了。
She's in her mid-20s.
她20多岁了。
And the way it was explained to me, they were having this conversation, and it was one of these conversations that, if you've ever been in a couple with a big age difference, maybe you've taken part in, he was saying basically, what can you see in me?
按照向我解释的方式，他们正在进行这次对话，这是其中一次对话，如果你曾经是一对年龄差异很大的夫妇，也许你已经参与过，他基本上是在说，你在我身上看到了什么？
You know, you are so young and energetic and I'm this older person.
你知道吗，你如此年轻，充满活力，而我却是个年长的人。
I'm so much more serious.
我的情况严重多了
And they talked about this and talked about this.
他们谈论这个，谈论这个。
And finally, she brought the conversation to a stop by declaring, no, no, no, don't you understand?
最后，她结束了谈话，说，不，不，不，你不明白吗？
I am Dennis Rodman.
我是丹尼斯·罗德曼。
You are Phil Jackson.
你是菲尔·杰克逊。
You ground me.
你让我接地气。
I am wild.
我很狂野。
You make everything all right.
你让一切都好起来。
And that's the way it is right now in Chicago, where I speak to you from right now.
这就是芝加哥现在的情况，我现在就在那里向你们讲话。
Our historic championship basketball team, the Chicago Bulls, is not just the winningest team of all time, with 72 regular season wins, now hurtling through the NBA playoffs.
我们历史悠久的冠军篮球队芝加哥公牛队不仅是有史以来获胜次数最多的球队，在常规赛中取得了 72 场胜利，现在还在 NBA 季后赛中疾驰。
What's happened here in Chicago is that the Bulls are now the lens through which we view all of our experiences.
芝加哥发生的事情是，公牛队现在成为我们观察所有经历的镜头。
They're the benchmark against we're measuring everything in our lives.
它们是我们衡量生活中一切事物的基准。
They've become our reality.
它们已经成为我们的现实。
Today, in this hour, a dispatch from a city that has left the rest of the American culture and entered into its own little subculture, a basketball subculture.
今天，在这个时刻，来自一座已经离开了美国文化的其余部分并进入了自己的小亚文化——篮球亚文化——的城市发出的消息。
At nights in Chicago, now the Hancock building, which towers over the city, is lit a bright Bulls-red.
芝加哥的夜晚，如今高耸于城市之上的汉考克大厦被点亮为明亮的公牛队红色。
Bulls posters and souvenirs and caps and T-shirts are for sale in every video storage and corner drugstore, in bars, everywhere.
公牛队的海报、纪念品、帽子和 T 恤在每个视频库、街角药店、酒吧和任何地方都有售。
It's like living in China during the cultural revolution.
这就像生活在文化大革命期间的中国。
Slogans and propaganda, everywhere, all uniting us as one people.
口号和宣传随处可见，所有这些都将我们团结为一个民族。
The name United Center was never more appropriate than now.
联合中心这个名字从来没有像现在这样合适。
There we are, united behind the vanguard-- Michael, Scottie, Dennis, Phil, Luke, our vanguard, and all the others.
我们团结在先锋队后面——迈克尔、斯科蒂、丹尼斯、菲尔、卢克、我们的先锋队和所有其他人。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, I'm Ira Glass.
我是来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的 Ira Glass。
You're listening to This American Life.
您正在听《美国生活》。
And I know actually that many people who have never heard our program before around the country are hearing us for the first time today.
事实上，我知道全国各地许多以前从未听过我们节目的人今天都是第一次听到我们的节目。
So a quick word of explanation, the idea of this radio show is to document what's going on around the country, in these United States, using all the different forms of radio storytelling that we can think of, including documentary, monologues, found tapes, just whatever we can think of.
简单解释一下，这个广播节目的想法是记录美国各地正在发生的事情，使用我们能想到的所有不同形式的广播故事讲述方式，包括纪录片、独白、找到的磁带，以及我们能想到的一切。
Each week, we choose a theme.
每周，我们都会选择一个主题。
And our theme for this hour is basketball-- stories of people who have a basketball jones of one sort or another.
我们这一小时的主题是篮球——讲述那些热爱篮球的人的故事。
Act One of our show today, The Bulls in Our Hearts.
我们今天的节目第一幕，我们心中的公牛。
Act Two, Bulls in a Barbershop.
第二幕，理发店里的公牛队。
Act Three, What Basketball Means, stories of people who love the game.
第三幕，篮球意味着什么，热爱这项运动的人们的故事。
Act Four, Basketball and Commerce, in which, among other things, we visit Bulls star Scottie Pippen's car dealership.
第四幕，篮球和商业，除其他外，我们参观了公牛队球星斯科蒂·皮蓬的汽车经销店。
And Act Five, the greatest moment in radio-- ever.
第五幕，广播史上最伟大的时刻。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Bulls in Our Hearts.
第一幕，我们心中的公牛。
As a way to measure the place of the Bulls in the conscious and unconscious minds of everyday Chicagoans, consider this case, members of the radio jury.
作为衡量公牛队在日常芝加哥人有意识和无意识头脑中的地位的一种方法，请考虑一下这个案例，广播陪审团成员。
Anaheed was watching a game with her parents.
阿纳希德正在和她的父母一起观看一场比赛。
They'd driven in from Detroit, the parents did, for her 26th birthday, and started arguing over Dennis Rodman.
父母从底特律开车过来庆祝她 26 岁生日，并开始为丹尼斯·罗德曼争吵。
Just a quick word to public radio listeners who perhaps are not following our national basketball pastime as carefully as they might, Dennis Rodman is the player who you may have seen pictures of with the colored hair, the tattoos, the piercings.
对于那些可能没有认真关注我们的国家篮球消遣活动的公共广播听众来说，丹尼斯·罗德曼是你可能见过的那个有着彩色头发、纹身和穿孔的球员的照片。
He's the one who was involved with Madonna for a while, possibly the greatest rebounder of all time.
他是与麦当娜交往过一段时间的人，可能是有史以来最伟大的篮板手。
Anaheed's father did not like him.
阿纳希德的父亲不喜欢他。
He's a rebel.
他是一个叛逆者。
He's a terrible man.
他是一个可怕的人。
Well, I'll let Anaheed tell the story.
好吧，我让阿纳希德讲这个故事。
He said, "What kind of role model is he?
他说：“他是一个什么样的榜样？
He's no role model.
他不是榜样。
This man is the Antichrist." And I said, "I don't think he's the Antichrist, Dad."
这个人就是敌基督者。”我说：“我不认为他是敌基督，爸爸。”
What developed between them was the biggest argument Anaheed has had with her parents since she was a child, since she lived at home.
他们之间发生的事情是阿纳希德从小住在家里以来与父母发生的最大的争吵。
It lasted for an hour.
持续了一个小时。
And what was remarkable about it is that it got to the most basic issues any family argument can ever get to.
它的非凡之处在于它触及了任何家庭争论都可能触及的最基本问题。
He said, "You like this craziness, you are just trying to go against everything of this family.
他说：“你喜欢这种疯狂，你就是想违背这个家庭的一切。
You know that's not what we stand for.
你知道这不是我们的立场。
You're trying to go against the family.
你试图与家人作对。
You're trying to divide yourself as much as possible from this family, by liking Dennis Rodman."
通过喜欢丹尼斯·罗德曼，你会试图尽可能地将自己与这个家庭分开。”
All of a sudden, I was back in high school all of a sudden.
突然间，我一下子回到了高中。
And he hadn't been so completely-- Like I mean, the fight got to the point where he was telling me, like, that I don't love him, and I'm trying to break up our relationship.
他并没有那么彻底——就像我的意思是，争吵已经到了他告诉我的地步，比如，我不爱他，我正试图破坏我们的关系。
He wants to have a good relationship with me.
他想和我保持良好的关系。
He can't even talk to me, and I don't like him, and I don't respect him.
他甚至不能跟我说话，我不喜欢他，也不尊重他。
And me telling him, I don't think you listen to me, and I don't think you care about the things that I care about, and you don't even know anything about me.
我告诉他，我认为你不听我的，我不认为你关心我关心的事情，你甚至对我一无所知。
And it's all because of little Dennis Rodman.
而这一切都是因为小丹尼斯·罗德曼。
It is impossible to imagine fighting like this, Anaheed says, over any other public figure.
阿纳希德说，无法想象对任何其他公众人物进行这样的争斗。
My dad and I are both big basketball fans, and we used to go to Pistons games all the time together when I was in high school, and that was sort of the only thing we had in common.
我和我爸爸都是篮球迷，当我上高中时，我们经常一起去看活塞队的比赛，这是我们唯一的共同点。
And I think that the NBA to my dad is this really great organization.
我认为 NBA 对我父亲来说是一个非常伟大的组织。
They're really wonderful, and he really loves the game.
他们真的很棒，他真的很喜欢这项运动。
And to see somebody like Dennis Rodman sort of flip off the whole organization, I think to him sort of symbolizes me and my role in my family.
看到像丹尼斯·罗德曼这样的人让整个组织崩溃，我认为对他来说有点象征着我和我在家庭中的角色。
And everything that I'm doing to him is what Dennis is doing to the NBA.
我对他所做的一切就是丹尼斯对 NBA 所做的一切。
Then there are the dreams.
然后就是梦想。
I realized a few weeks ago, actually, that even though I had not seen a Bulls game in two years, personally, and even though at the time I really didn't care less about the Bulls-- I wasn't following it at all-- the Bulls are such a presence in everyday life in Chicago-- in conversations, on the street, products, and magazines, and stuff about them everywhere-- that even I was having dreams about them.
事实上，几周前我意识到，尽管我个人已经两年没有看过公牛队的比赛了，尽管当时我真的不太关心公牛队——我根本没有关注它——但公牛队在芝加哥的日常生活中如此频繁地出现——在谈话中、在街上、在产品上、在杂志上，以及随处可见的关于他们的东西——甚至连我都梦想着他们。
They had entered my unconscious picture of the world to that extent.
他们已经进入了我无意识的世界图景。
So anyway, here in Chicago just last week, I went on the radio and I invited Chicagoans to call in and record their dreams about the Bulls.
不管怎样，就在上周，我在芝加哥，通过广播邀请芝加哥人打电话来记录他们对公牛队的梦想。
And people responded.
人们做出了回应。
Maybe five or six months ago, I was at a really stressed out time at work preparing for an audit.
大概五六个月前，我正处于准备审计的工作压力非常大的时期。
I had a dream during that period that the auditing team showed up at my office as planned, only the chief auditor was Michael Jordan.
那段时间我做了一个梦，审计组按计划来到了我的办公室，只是首席审计官是迈克尔·乔丹。
I was really nervous and stressed out.
我真的很紧张，压力很大。
And there's Michael Jordan in my office.
迈克尔·乔丹在我的办公室里。
And it somehow developed, while I was having a conversation with Michael Jordan about the audit, and I wasn't completely prepared, but he knew I wasn't ready, and he decided that, in exchange for oral sexual favors, he would make sure we passed the audit.
当我与迈克尔·乔丹就审计进行对话时，事情就以某种方式发展起来，我还没有完全准备好，但他知道我还没有准备好，他决定，作为口交优惠的交换，他将确保我们通过审计。
And I had a conversation with my boss about it, and my boss was, like, "Well, I can't really tell you that you should do this, but it's Michael Jordan, how bad can it be?" And we passed the audit.
我和我的老板谈过这件事，我的老板说，“好吧，我真的不能告诉你应该这样做，但这是迈克尔·乔丹，这能有多糟糕呢？”我们通过了审核。
One of the other really funny things about this is that it's Scottie Pippen who I find absolutely just adorable, not Michael.
另一件非常有趣的事情是，我发现斯科蒂·皮蓬绝对是可爱的，而不是迈克尔。
I'm 52 years old.
我今年52岁了。
I teach at DePaul University.
我在德保罗大学任教。
Last Sunday, I dreamt that I was Michael Jordan.
上周日，我梦见自己是迈克尔·乔丹。
My dream was that my friend was having a bar mitzvah, and he knew Michael Jordan.
我的梦想是我的朋友参加成人礼，他认识迈克尔·乔丹。
And so I was going to be there at the bar mitzvah with him.
所以我要和他一起参加成人礼。
I'm in a hot tub with Michael Jordan.
我和迈克尔·乔丹一起泡热水浴缸。
And he says to me, "I love my wife, but you're my best friend."
他对我说：“我爱我的妻子，但你是我最好的朋友。”
As weird as the Michael Jordan dreams are, the Dennis Rodman dreams are way weirder.
与迈克尔·乔丹的梦想一样奇怪，丹尼斯·罗德曼的梦想更奇怪。
One guy called up to describe a dream in which a mob was attacking Dennis Rodman because he was a Communist.
一个人打电话描述了一个梦，梦见一群暴民攻击丹尼斯·罗德曼，因为他是共产党员。
In another dream, somebody else called in to say that a woman said that Dennis appeared in a dream of hers in a feather boa in an appliance store to tell the woman that the playoffs are fixed.
在另一个梦中，有人打电话来说，一个女人说丹尼斯穿着羽毛围巾出现在她的梦中，告诉女人季后赛已经确定了。
It's fixed.
它是固定的。
It's done.
完成了。
It's fixed.
它是固定的。
I dreamed that Dennis Rodman was swimming in the ocean, and he was way far out, really deep.
我梦见丹尼斯·罗德曼在海里游泳，他离得很远，很深。
And everybody was scared that the undertow was going to drag him away.
每个人都害怕暗流会把他卷走。
I had a dream that Dennis Rodman was a woman.
我梦见丹尼斯·罗德曼是个女人。
And the two of us worked together at White Castle.
我们两个在白色城堡一起工作。
Except what was interesting about Dennis was that he had no hands.
但丹尼斯的有趣之处在于他没有手。
And on one hand, he had a fork, and on the other hand, he had a spoon.
一方面，他有一把叉子，另一方面，他有一把勺子。
And I felt jilted because he wouldn't talk to me.
我感到被抛弃了，因为他不肯跟我说话。
So the majority of my dream was me feeling dissed by the female Dennis Rodman with a fork and a spoon for hands.
所以我的大部分梦想是我感到被女性丹尼斯·罗德曼用叉子和勺子当手感到不屑。
Other people weigh in with their basketball stories, coming up.
其他人也发表了他们的篮球故事。
Act Two, Bulls in a Barber Shop.
第二幕，理发店里的公牛。
A Chicago columnist wrote recently that the Bulls have become the city's royalty, but that does not really capture the half of it.
一位芝加哥专栏作家最近写道，公牛队已经成为这座城市的皇室，但这并不能真正抓住其中的一半。
The Bulls are like the soap opera that everyone in the city is watching, with this eccentric cast of characters that we all know.
公牛队就像全城每个人都在观看的肥皂剧，有着我们都知道的古怪角色。
And watching a Bulls game, for most people, is a social event, where everybody swaps stories and theories and predictions.
对于大多数人来说，观看公牛队的比赛是一项社交活动，每个人都会交换故事、理论和预测。
Shut up [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
闭嘴[无法理解]。
They gonna lose today.
今天他们会输的。
Bulls gonna lose today.
公牛队今天肯定会输。
Coleman Brothers is an old-style barbershop on Chicago's south side, been in business 34 years-- pictures on the walls of Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X, Lena Horne and Minister Louis Farrakhan, five chairs, five barbers.
科尔曼兄弟是芝加哥南区的一家老式理发店，已经营业了 34 年——墙上挂着穆罕默德·阿里和马尔科姆·X、莉娜·霍恩和路易斯·法拉罕部长的照片，五把椅子，五名理发师。
I visited while the third game of the Eastern Conference playoffs was on the color TV near the door.
我去的时候，门口的彩电正在播放东部季后赛第三场比赛。
The Bulls played the Orland Magic.
公牛队对阵奥兰魔术队。
Richard Coleman, whose chair is nearest the door, was predicting a 15-point Bulls' victory.
离门最近的椅子理查德·科尔曼 (Richard Coleman) 预测公牛队将获胜 15 分。
His brother, James, whose chair is furthest from the screen, is calling for a four-game sweep, Bulls over Orlando.
他的兄弟詹姆斯的椅子距离屏幕最远，他呼吁公牛队以四场比赛横扫奥兰多。
But sandwiched midway between the two brothers, standing in the middle chair, Tommy was the lone dissenter in a crowded room of probably three dozen Bulls fanatics, some of whom, remember, were armed with razors.
但汤米夹在两兄弟之间，站在中间的椅子上，他是拥挤的房间里唯一的反对者，房间里大约有三打公牛队的狂热分子，记得其中一些人拿着剃刀。
It took a certain nerve to placidly insist, hour after hour, that Shaquille O'Neal and the Magic were going to pull this series out of the bag.
一个小时又一个小时地平静地坚持沙奎尔·奥尼尔和魔术队要把这个系列赛从袋子里拿出来需要一定的勇气。
I like Shaq.
我喜欢沙克。
And they having a rough time at the moment.
他们现在过得很艰难。
But can't give up the shift yet.
但还不能放弃转变。
Right, can't give up the shift.
对啊，不能放弃换班。
They don't play no money.
他们不玩没钱的。
Chicago don't play no money.
芝加哥不玩没钱。
You have to fight for every penny you get.
你必须为你得到的每一分钱而奋斗。
Chicago don't want to play no athletes.
芝加哥不想让任何运动员参加比赛。
Athletes capture the spirit of the city.
运动员们展现了这座城市的精神。
You know, they still work hard.
你知道，他们仍然在努力工作。
They still put forth the effort.
他们依然付出了努力。
They'll go home broke.
他们会破产回家。
Clarence [LAUGHING]
克拉伦斯[笑]
They'll go home broke.
他们会破产回家。
Ira Glass A week before, there'd been a big discussion in Coleman Brothers about Dennis Rodman, his multi-colored hair, his tattoos, the fact that he showed up to a book signing in drag.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 一周前，科尔曼兄弟公司就丹尼斯·罗德曼、他的多色头发、他的纹身以及他变装出席签售会的事实进行了一场大讨论。
Guys were not crazy about all this.
伙计们对这一切并不疯狂。
But faced with a microphone, nobody wanted to say anything too negative about the star rebounder.
但面对麦克风，没有人愿意对这位明星篮板手说任何负面的话。
And everyone had found a comfortable way to explain his behavior.
每个人都找到了一种舒服的方式来解释他的行为。
I think it's all right.
我认为没关系。
I think they probably say, well, hey, he making money.
我想他们可能会说，好吧，嘿，他赚钱了。
This is the main thing, you know?
这是最重要的，你知道吗？
Maybe he's doing that in order to make money.
也许他这样做是为了赚钱。
I personally don't care for his dress attire, but I think it's a marketing ploy to make more money, so what can I say?
我个人不喜欢他的着装，但我认为这是一种为了赚更多钱的营销策略，所以我能说什么？
You don't think he likes to dress up in women's clothes for real.
你以为他真的不喜欢穿女装。
No, I personally don't think so.
不，我个人不这么认为。
He's just doing it to get attention, and to sell more McDonald cups and--
他这样做只是为了引起注意，为了卖出更多的麦当劳杯子，而且——
As far as I'm concerned, man, Dennis is not all that he make up to be.
就我而言，伙计，丹尼斯并不像他所想象的那样。
I think it's a big, old marketing thing that he doing, too, man.
我认为这也是他所做的一项重要的、古老的营销活动，伙计。
And you see, he done gotten rich since he got here, you know.
你看，自从他来到这里以来，他确实变得富有了，你知道。
And it's all because of this crazy stuff that he does.
这都是因为他所做的这些疯狂的事情。
What do you think about him dressing up in women's clothing at his book signing?
对于他在签售会上穿女装，你怎么看？
I think Dennis, he kind of like dressing in women's clothes.
我认为丹尼斯，他有点喜欢穿女装。
I have a feeling he does.
我有一种感觉，他是这样的。
But I don't think that the man really gay.
但我不认为这个男人真的是同性恋。
I think if he was, he would go and tell it.
我想如果他是的话，他会去告诉的。
He been saying everything else, so why not say that?
他都说了别的事了，那为什么不说呢？
The Bulls-Orlando game was a pretty typical Chicago viewing experience.
公牛队与奥兰多队的比赛是非常典型的芝加哥观看体验。
By half time, the Bulls were ahead 10 points.
半场结束，公牛队领先10分。
And after the winningest season in basketball history, it's hard for fans in Chicago to avoid feeling the game is in the bag.
在经历了篮球历史上最胜利的一个赛季之后，芝加哥球迷很难不感到比赛已成定局。
Ha ha.
哈哈。
No, Orlando won't come back.
不，奥兰多不会回来。
They're too banged up.
他们太折腾了
Bulls gonna blow them out in the second half.
公牛队将在下半场将他们击败。
Bulls gonna blow them out by at least double digits.
公牛队将以至少两位数的优势击败他们。
Except, of course, for one person, bravely standing alone, against all odds, scissors in hand, a toothpick dangling from his lips, Tommy.
当然，除了一个人，汤米，他勇敢地独自站着，克服一切困难，手里拿着剪刀，嘴里叼着一根牙签。
Orlando coming back, win by five.
奥兰多队回来了，以五分获胜。
It ain't over till the fat lady sing.
直到胖女人唱歌才结束。
People stream in and out of the barber shop.
人们川流不息地进出理发店。
Everyone comments on the game.
大家都在评论比赛。
In the second half, when Michael Jordan takes a nasty spill, a customer shouts, "Superman's down!" The man sitting next to me introduces himself as Mr. Popcorn, a customer of Coleman's beginning 34 years ago, and a former high school basketball player himself.
下半场，当迈克尔·乔丹严重摔倒时，一位顾客大喊：“超人倒下了！”坐在我旁边的那个人自我介绍说，他是爆米花先生，是科尔曼 34 年前开店的顾客，他本人也是一名前高中篮球运动员。
That's what I played, basketball, baseball, football.
这就是我打的球，篮球、棒球、足球。
So when you see these players, is there some player who you really relate to the way they play?
那么，当你看到这些球员时，是否有一些球员让你真正认同他们的比赛方式？
I relate to Michael Jordan.
我与迈克尔·乔丹有关。
That's the way I would play.
这就是我会玩的方式。
Play it hard, man.
努力玩吧，伙计。
You know, a guard.
你知道，一名警卫。
Get the ball to the guy who can shoot, you know.
把球传给能投篮的人，你知道的。
The effect of the Bulls on the local economy is usually measured in millions of dollars, but it extends to 1,000 small shops like this one.
公牛队对当地经济的影响通常以数百万美元来衡量，但它也延伸到像这家这样的 1,000 家小商店。
Mr. Popcorn says that if the Bulls take the championship, he's going to sell Bulls T-shirts himself.
爆米花先生说，如果公牛队夺得冠军，他将亲自出售公牛队的 T 恤。
And before long, he asked me the question that he asked a lot of customers at Colemans.
不久之后，他问了我一个他在科尔曼斯问过很多顾客的问题。
I have a Bull watch.
我有一块公牛手表。
Would you like to buy one?
您想买一个吗？
No, no. Mr. Popcorn What you mean no?
不，不。爆米花先生 你的意思是不？
I'm going to sell it to you cheap because you're a radio guy.
我会把它便宜卖给你，因为你是个广播员。
Nah.
不。
Mr. Popcorn I thought you said you was a Bull fan.
爆米花先生，我以为你说过你是公牛队球迷。
I am.
我是。
By the third quarter, I am the proud owner of a Bull's watch, marked down from $12 to $5.
到了第三季度，我自豪地拥有了一块 Bull's 手表，价格从 12 美元降到了 5 美元。
By the fourth quarter, with two minutes left on the clock, the Bulls leading by 17 points, and Michael Jordan apparently already sent to the showers, even these die-hard Chicago fans started making jokes.
到第四节还剩两分钟时，公牛队领先17分，乔丹显然已经去洗澡了，就连芝加哥的铁杆球迷也开始开玩笑了。
"What else is on?" one guy asked.
“还有什么活动？”一个人问道。
"What's on the other channels?"
“其他频道有什么节目？”
James pays off a bet he'd actually made against the Bulls with Mr. Popcorn.
詹姆斯用爆米花先生还清了他与公牛队的赌注。
Guys start talking about a sweep, a sweep, that is, of four games in a row.
大家开始谈论横扫，横扫，也就是说，连续四场比赛。
And when the final buzzer goes off, it turns out that Richard's prediction, a 15-point spread, is exactly where the game turned out.
当终场哨声响起时，理查德的预测——15分的差距——正是比赛的结果。
What did I tell them before the game started?
比赛开始前我跟他们说什么了？
What did I tell you?
我告诉你什么了？
15.
15.
Richard Coleman I told you they was going to win it.
理查德科尔曼我告诉过你他们会赢。
They gonna run away with it.
他们会带着它逃跑。
Orlando, they're just an inexperienced team that doesn't have the experience to play with the Bulls.
奥兰多，他们只是一支缺乏经验的球队，没有与公牛队比赛的经验。
Oh, you said 15?
哦，你说15？
Richard Coleman That's what I said before they started.
理查德·科尔曼：这就是我在他们开始之前说的。
Did anybody bet you?
有人跟你打赌吗？
Somebody should have took that.
应该有人拿走它。
I told you they gonna win.
我告诉过你他们会赢。
And if I tell you-- don't ever forget this-- if I tell you an elephant roost up a tree, you better look up there, you gonna see an elephant.
如果我告诉你——永远不要忘记这一点——如果我告诉你一头大象栖息在树上，你最好抬头看看，你会看到一头大象。
Tommy looked around at the celebrating with a smile.
汤米微笑着环顾四周庆祝。
I asked him for a final verdict on the Bulls.
我问他对公牛队的最终裁决。
Seattle, they gonna take it.
西雅图，他们会接受的。
Ira Glass Man, you just don't give up, do you?
艾拉·格拉斯曼，你就是不放弃，是吗？
Seattle gonna take them old men.
西雅图会带走他们的老人。
Quote.
引用。
Seattle, they gonna take it.
西雅图，他们会接受的。
Quote.
引用。
Seattle gonna get the same thing the Magic's getting, a whooping, old-fashioned whooping.
西雅图将会得到和魔术队一样的东西，一种老式的呼喊声。
Then we all looked up, and through the plate glass window in front of the barber shop, we saw a car pull up.
然后我们都抬头望去，透过理发店门前的平板玻璃窗，我们看到一辆汽车停了下来。
A guy climbs out with a brand-new broom in his hand, and strides toward the barber shop.
一个人爬了出来，手里拿着一把崭新的扫帚，大步走向理发店。
The guy walks in and stands, broom in hand, near the door.
那家伙走进来，手里拿着扫帚，站在门边。
What's the problem?
有什么问题吗？
Derek I told you I was going to come back up here now.
德里克，我告诉过你我现在要回到这里。
Hey Tommy, you didn't think they was going to sweep, huh?
嘿，汤米，你没想到他们会扫地，是吧？
It ain't no sweep.
这不是扫荡。
Derek Tommy, I can't hear you, man.
德里克·汤米，我听不见你说话，伙计。
Did you see the bull run down the street?
你看到街上奔跑的公牛了吗？
Was Shaquille on it?
沙奎尔在场吗？
The guy's name is Derek, a regular at Colemans.
这个人的名字叫德里克，是科尔曼斯的常客。
Tell him I got to go home and celebrate, man.
告诉他我得回家庆祝一下，伙计。
Me and all my Bull friend buddies, we going to to go celebrate.
我和我所有的公牛朋友们，我们要去庆祝。
You going to jump on the bandwagon sooner or later, Tommy.
汤米，你迟早会跟上潮流。
We gonna make a believer out of you.
我们会让你成为信徒。
No [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
不[无法理解]。
Tommy's unnerved.
汤米很不安。
Tommy I've already talked to Gary Payton, and boy, we gonna do it in 4-2.
汤米，我已经和加里·佩顿谈过了，天哪，我们会以 4-2 的比分做到这一点。
Gary Payton, Seattle.
加里·佩顿，西雅图。
You gotta respect somebody who'll publicly argue against what may be the best basketball team ever to play the game.
你必须尊重那些公开反对有史以来最好的篮球队的人。
It takes a certain amount of guts.
这需要一定的胆量。
But soon enough, this Bulls team will have to fade, especially given the age of players, mostly in their 30s.
但很快，这支公牛队将不得不衰落，特别是考虑到球员的年龄，大多在 30 多岁。
And it can be a sobering thought that, years from now, when all these guys are watching some new incarnation of the Bulls, this is the moment, this is the time right now, that they're going to remember together.
这可能是一个发人深省的想法，几年后，当所有这些人都在观看公牛队的新化身时，这就是他们将共同记住的时刻，这就是现在。
One of the other customers, a guy whose name, I think, was Edgar, sat in Richard's chair, the electric clippers whirring, and contemplated this.
另一位顾客，我想他的名字叫埃德加，坐在理查德的椅子上，电动剪刀嗡嗡作响，思考着这个问题。
You should be happy that you can say that, hey, I was sitting there watching them when they did all that.
你应该很高兴你可以这么说，嘿，当他们做这一切的时候我就坐在那里看着他们。
So I know I am.
所以我知道我是。
Tell my grandchildren when I get real old, you know, I was there when the Bulls won all them games, probably I'll say I went to a couple of games, you know.
当我老了的时候告诉我的孙子们，你知道，当公牛队赢得所有比赛时我就在那里，也许我会说我去看了几场比赛，你知道。
Yeah, remember those days when Michael Jordan was still playing at his peak?
是的，还记得迈克尔·乔丹还在巅峰时期打球的那些日子吗？
Remember when Rodman was the only guy in the league with multi-colored hair?
还记得罗德曼是联盟中唯一拥有多种颜色头发的人吗？
Remember when they were on that legendary team together, Dennis, Michael, Scottie?
还记得丹尼斯、迈克尔、斯科蒂三人一起组成那支传奇球队的时候吗？
That's how it's going to be, for everybody that was here when the Bulls was doing this.
对于公牛队这样做时在场的每个人来说，事情都会如此。
That's how it's going to be.
事情就是这样。
Act Three, The Meaning of Basketball.
第三幕，篮球的意义。
I wonder if it would be possible to make up a more pretentious name for a section of a radio program, The Meaning of Basketball.
我想知道是否可以为广播节目的一个部分起一个更自命不凡的名字：篮球的意义。
The fact is, the meaning of basketball is whatever each player and each fan makes of it, right?
事实上，篮球的意义在于每个球员和每个球迷对它的理解，对吗？
Stay with me here, OK?
留在我这里，好吗？
Loving sports, I am arguing to you right now, is like any kind of love.
我现在对你说，热爱运动就像任何一种爱一样。
It's idiosyncratic and there's no way to account for what happens to grab your imagination and your heart about a game.
这是一种奇特的现象，无法解释到底发生了什么事情会激发你对一款游戏的想象力和热情。
In this act of the show, we bring you a couple of stories from different parts of the country.
在这一幕节目中，我们为您带来了来自该国不同地区的几个故事。
And we begin right here in Chicago.
我们从芝加哥这里开始。
I know that will be, at this point in the show, a tremendous surprise to you.
我知道，在演出的这个阶段，这将会给你带来巨大的惊喜。
We begin here in Chicago, an explanation of one particular pleasure of the game.
我们从芝加哥开始，解释这项运动的一种特殊乐趣。
There is no greater pleasure than being a Bulls hater in a Bulls-loving town.
没有什么比在一个热爱公牛队的小镇里成为一个讨厌公牛队的人更快乐的了。
David Isaacson is a Chicago playwright, and he is not just any Bulls hater.
大卫·艾萨克森是一位芝加哥剧作家，他并不是普通的公牛队仇恨者。
He's a Bulls hater of the most reviled kind in Chicago.
他是芝加哥最受辱骂的公牛队仇恨者。
He is a fan of the Detroit Pistons.
他是底特律活塞队的球迷。
In 1988, '89, and '90, the Bulls lost the NBA playoffs to the Pistons, a team that most Chicagoans see as thuggish, dirty, and worst of all, whiney.
1988 年、89 年和 90 年，公牛队在 NBA 季后赛中输给了活塞队，这支球队被大多数芝加哥人视为凶残、肮脏，最糟糕的是，爱发牢骚。
How to describe the sweet, sweet pleasure of entering a drinking establishment full of established drinkers, and proudly letting out a roar whenever the diminutive Detroit guard Isiah Thomas scooped a layup high off the backboard into the basket, or Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson would launch a shot with, oh, three of four opposing players hanging from his thick arms and legs, or Joe Dumars covering the great god Michael Jordan would, through fainting, decoying, and overplaying, manipulate MJ into the waiting arms and oh-so solid body of Bill Laimbeer.
如何描述进入一家挤满老酒客的酒吧的甜蜜、甜蜜的快乐，每当底特律后卫伊塞亚·托马斯从篮板上高高地上篮入篮时，或者每当“微波炉”维尼·约翰逊用他粗壮的胳膊和腿吊着四名对方球员中的三名投篮时，或者每当乔·杜马斯掩护伟大的上帝迈克尔·乔丹时，通过晕倒、诱骗和过度发挥来操纵乔丹时，你会自豪地发出一声吼叫进入等待的比尔·兰比尔的怀抱和坚固的身体。
To let out a roar as those around me grumbled, all the time harboring grandiose notions that, in so roaring, I was courting a barroom beating at the hands of, say, those five beefy guys at the bar with a pitcher of Old Style, the identical number 23 red-and-white jerseys, and, shaved into their crew cuts Anthony Mason style, the letters B-U-L-L-S, respectively.
当我周围的人抱怨时，我总是怀着宏大的想法，我在向酒吧里求爱，比如说，酒吧里那五个强壮的家伙，他们拿着老式风格的水罐，同样的23号红白球衣，剃成安东尼·梅森风格的平头，字母分别是B-U-L-L-S。
To stand alone against a sea of popular opinion, to be associated with a great malevolent force, shady underground figures, the Detroit Pistons, this was a spectacular seduction.
独自对抗大众舆论的海洋，与巨大的邪恶势力、阴暗的地下人物、底特律活塞队联系在一起，这是一种巨大的诱惑。
To be a Pistons fan in Chicago, like being a Navy fan at West Point, or a Dodgers fan in Manhattan in the old days, seemed heroic.
在芝加哥成为活塞队球迷，就像过去在西点军校成为海军球迷，或者在曼哈顿成为道奇队球迷一样，似乎是英雄般的行为。
I was Pancho Villa on a border raid, Bartleby the Scrivener telling his boss, I would prefer not to, Brando in the Wild One rebelling against, what do you got?
我是边境突袭中的潘乔·维拉，书记员巴特比告诉他的老板，我宁愿不这样做，白兰度在《野人》中反抗，你得到了什么？
It was the same contrary impulse, however, the thrill of being the lone fan, that turned my girlfriend against me.
然而，正是同样的相反的冲动，作为孤独粉丝的兴奋，让我的女朋友反对我。
Accepted into an elite east coast graduate school, she suddenly found herself surrounded by elite east coast fans of the New York Knickerbockers.
她被东海岸精英研究生院录取，突然发现自己被纽约尼克斯队的东海岸精英球迷包围。
Though up to this point, her interest in the Bulls had consisted wholly in the observation that point guard B.J.
尽管到目前为止，她对公牛队的兴趣完全在于观察到控球后卫 B.J.
Armstrong was so cute, and, in an almost obsessive curiosity, regarding that odd bald patch in the middle of center Bill Cartwright's beard.
阿姆斯特朗太可爱了，而且，出于一种近乎强迫性的好奇心，他看着中间比尔·卡特赖特胡子中间那块奇怪的秃头。
Her grad school experience turned her into a raving rooter for the team that I so proudly despised.
她的研究生经历使她成为了我非常自豪地鄙视的团队的狂热拥护者。
In a world of Knicks lovers, she chose to be the lone fan of the Bulls.
在尼克斯球迷的世界里，她选择成为公牛队的孤独球迷。
Watching games with her became an unsettling experience.
和她一起看比赛变成了一种令人不安的经历。
When our teams would clash, I would catch her eyeing me strangely, as if contemplating which Bill Laimbeer thrown elbow or Rick Mahorn cheap shot I was complicit in, in what ways I, the bully by association, might have wronged those near and dear to her, and subsequently, what punishments or deprivations she might legitimately inflict on me in response.
当我们的球队发生冲突时，我会发现她奇怪地看着我，仿佛在思考我与比尔·兰比尔的肘击或里克·马霍恩的哪次恶意射击是同谋，我这个恶霸可能以何种方式冤枉了她亲近的人，随后，她可能会合理地对我施加什么样的惩罚或剥夺作为回应。
This year, as every one in the world now knows, the Bulls won 72 games and lost a mere 10, making them, numerically at least, the most successful team of all time.
今年，全世界都知道，公牛队赢了 72 场比赛，只输了 10 场比赛，至少在数量上，使他们成为有史以来最成功的球队。
It is also the year I, without meaning to, traded in the great and noble pleasure of publicly hating the Bulls in every bar, tavern, and speak easy of this beer-swilling town for the rather common, tawdry pleasure of joining the masses in whooping up every Jordan jumper, Pippen put-back, and Kukoc [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
也是在这一年，我无意中放弃了在每个酒吧、酒馆里公开憎恨公牛队的伟大而高贵的快乐，并轻松地谈论这个喝啤酒的小镇，而换成了与群众一起欢呼每一个乔丹跳投、皮蓬回击和库科奇的相当普遍的、庸俗的快乐[难以理解]。
And why?
为什么？
Well, for one thing, three of my old Pistons have joined the current version of the Bulls.
好吧，一方面，我的三名老活塞队已经加入了当前版本的公牛队。
John "Spider" Salley, who can still block a shot with the best of them.
约翰·“蜘蛛”·萨利，仍然可以用他们中最好的人来盖帽。
James "Buddha" Edwards, who, at the age of 40, still successfully practices his specialty, the fade away chip shot from the paint.
詹姆斯·“佛陀”·爱德华兹，40 岁了，仍然成功地练习了他的专长：内线后仰切球。
And of course, Dennis "The Worm" Rodman.
当然，还有“虫子”丹尼斯·罗德曼。
I've always loved his sloppy relentless enthusiasm on the court.
我一直很喜欢他在球场上那种草率的、不懈的热情。
But what's won me over lately is his T-shirt collection.
但最近令我着迷的是他的 T 恤系列。
Recent slogans have included, "I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is," and "I don't mind straight people, as long as they act gay in public."
最近的口号包括“我不是同性恋，但我的男朋友是”和“我不介意异性恋，只要他们在公共场合表现得同性恋”。
But more than that, I think one can say that, for me, familiarity has bred respect.
但更重要的是，我认为人们可以说，对我来说，熟悉孕育了尊重。
Most of these Bulls are my age or older.
这些公牛队中的大多数都和我同龄或更老。
Jordan's my age, and as my body changes, as joints respond less readily, bruises take longer to heal, and hangovers get harder to cure, I have grown to appreciate MJ's ability to recreate himself.
乔丹和我同龄，随着我的身体发生变化，关节反应变得不那么容易，瘀伤需要更长的时间才能治愈，宿醉变得更难治愈，我越来越欣赏乔丹重塑自我的能力。
The mad dash fearless dunking of his youth has been replaced by safer, more adult practices.
他年轻时疯狂冲刺、无所畏惧的扣篮已经被更安全、更成熟的做法所取代。
Watch as Michael becomes a post-up player.
观看迈克尔成为一名低位单打球员。
Watch his transformation into a master of the three-point heave.
观看他转变为三分球大师。
See Michael learn and perfect the unstoppable Larry Bird fade away.
观看迈克尔学习并完善不可阻挡的拉里·伯德后仰跳投。
Facing the cameras for the gagillionth time, following a perfect evening spent revealing the tragic flaws of yet another squad of opponents who had been, until meeting the Bulls, flirting with respectability, Jordan, Pippen, and their teammates exude a pungent, delicious aura.
在度过了一个完美的夜晚，揭露了另一支对手的悲剧性缺陷之后，乔丹、皮蓬和他们的队友在面对公牛队之前一直表现得体面，第五次面对镜头，乔丹、皮蓬和他们的队友散发出一种辛辣、美味的光环。
Invincibility is, inevitably, sexy.
无敌不可避免地是性感的。
These are Bodhisattvas, approaching Buddhahood, utterly at peace with themselves, and yet at the same time, striving mightily for the next level of enlightenment.
他们是菩萨，接近佛果，内心完全平静，但同时又为下一个层次的觉悟而努力奋斗。
Gone for me the rebel's glory.
叛逆者的荣耀对我来说已经消失了。
Gone the exalted status of an arch-antagonist.
失去了大对手的崇高地位。
Gone the thrill of withstanding the Bulls fans contumely.
忍受公牛队球迷的侮辱所带来的快感已经一去不复返了。
Woe, woe is me.
祸哉，祸哉是我。
Go, go Bulls.
走吧，公牛队吧。
David Isaacson is a Chicago playwright.
大卫·艾萨克森是一位芝加哥剧作家。
And now we have for you this rap, part of which seems to be a burgeoning genre of music that perhaps you have not heard of, basketball stars doing raps, some of them, most of them, profoundly mediocre.
现在我们为您带来了这种说唱，其中一部分似乎是一种新兴的音乐流派，也许您没有听说过，篮球明星做说唱，其中一些，大多数，非常平庸。
This one from Seattle Sonics star Gary Payton.
这是西雅图超音速队球星加里·佩顿的作品。
[SINGING] Living legal and large, GP's the man in charge.
[唱歌] 合法且大方地生活，全科医生是负责人。
He's got game on you.
他对你有兴趣。
Coming up as a youngster, the G had faith.
作为一个年轻人，G 有着信念。
I always pray to God that I make it one day.
我总是向上帝祈祷，希望有一天我能成功。
And now my dreams are alive.
现在我的梦想还活着。
My mama used to tell me, you gotta strive and try to be the best that you can be to survive.
我妈妈曾经告诉我，你必须努力并尽力做到最好才能生存。
Now I'm living legal and large, got a fat bank account and a bunch of credit cards.
现在我过着合法而富裕的生活，有一个丰厚的银行账户和一堆信用卡。
Making the opponents bow down on the floor.
让对手跪倒在地。
If you want to hum [UNINTELLIGIBLE], it's because I love the sport.
如果你想哼哼[无法听懂]，那是因为我热爱这项运动。
Half the fans yelling for joy because I'm bouncing the ball on 'em like Shanaynay.
一半的球迷欢呼雀跃，因为我像沙奈奈一样把球弹到他们身上。
They call me Payday.
他们叫我发薪日。
The big ball handler.
大控球手。
Yeah, yeah, what you want.
是啊是啊，你想要什么。
Slam dunk, hit a three.
灌篮高手，三分命中。
Talk a little junk.
说一点废话。
Huh.
呵呵。
It's all good if you're feeling inferior, because I'm superior, much better than the average brother.
如果你感到自卑，那也没关系，因为我很优秀，比一般的兄弟好得多。
Me and my crew sticks tight when we step in the clubs, we're not getting the [UNINTELLIGIBLE], right.
当我们踏入俱乐部时，我和我的工作人员会紧紧抓住，我们不会得到[难以理解]，对吧。
Living legal and large, I'm the man in charge.
合法而庞大地生活，我是负责人。
Coming up, trophies, the strangest basketball dream of all, and more, in one minute, when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，奖杯、最奇怪的篮球梦想以及更多内容将在一分钟内揭晓。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And this week, as every week in our program, we have chosen a theme.
本周，正如我们每周的节目一样，我们选择了一个主题。
We've invited a variety of writers and performers to take a whack at that theme.
我们邀请了多位作家和表演者来探讨这个主题。
And this week is the Chicago Bulls.
本周是芝加哥公牛队。
Let me get some music going here for this, when I say their names.
当我说出他们的名字时，让我放一些音乐。
This week is the Chicago Bulls.
本周是芝加哥公牛队。
[MUSIC - "ROCK AND ROLL, PART 2" BY GARY GLITTER]
[音乐 - “摇滚乐，第 2 部分”，作者：Gary GLITTER]
There we go.
我们开始吧。
Doesn't that give a satisfying feeling to hear it?
是不是听着就很有满足感呢？
It's just one good reason to do a show about the Bulls, that you can play this song over and over.
这只是制作有关公牛队的节目的一个很好的理由，你可以一遍又一遍地播放这首歌。
This week, as the Chicago Bull's careen past the winningest season in basketball history, through the NBA playoffs, our theme is basketball.
本周，随着芝加哥公牛队经历了篮球历史上获胜最多的赛季，进入 NBA 季后赛，我们的主题是篮球。
And let us ask the question again, what is the meaning of sports?
让我们再问一个问题，运动的意义是什么？
The answer, trophies.
答案是，奖杯。
Well, looked at it in one way, that's the answer.
嗯，从一方面来看，这就是答案。
You know, you compete, you try to win, you make it through the regular season, through the playoffs.
你知道，你竞争，你努力获胜，你通过常规赛，通过季后赛。
The further you get, the bigger the trophy-- sort of.
你走得越远，奖杯就越大——某种程度上。
The problem is that trophies do not age well.
问题是奖杯不太容易老化。
The further you get from the triumphant moment when you win the trophy, the uglier the trophy becomes.
当你距离赢得奖杯的胜利时刻越远，奖杯就会变得越丑陋。
Until, after decades, they just look like dusty, aging clutter, carrying no glory, no numinous power.
直到几十年后，它们看起来就像布满灰尘、老化的杂物，没有荣耀，没有神秘的力量。
Well, one of our producers, Nancy Updike, talked to a friend of hers, a big amateur basketball player, about all this.
好吧，我们的制片人之一南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike) 与她的一位朋友（一位业余篮球运动员）谈论了这一切。
When I met up with my friend Mary to talk about basketball, she was having some trouble with her trophies.
当我和我的朋友玛丽见面谈论篮球时，她在处理奖杯方面遇到了一些麻烦。
She'd just moved to a new apartment, and her new place was small, so small that a bunch of high school trophies would just dominate any room they were in.
她刚刚搬到新公寓，她的新地方很小，小到一堆高中奖杯占据了他们所在的任何房间。
She had the trophies in a box in the living room, and we sat on the floor pulling out fake silver statuettes of girls in coolots, reaching ever upward, hopeful and fit, like in Soviet propaganda posters.
她把奖杯放在客厅的一个盒子里，我们坐在地板上，拉出装着酷酷女孩的假银色小雕像，一直向上，充满希望和健康，就像苏联的宣传海报中那样。
So can't you see, like, feeling really tough walking home with something this big, especially if you hold it like this?
所以你难道看不出来，带着这么大的东西走回家感觉真的很艰难吗，尤其是当你像这样拿着它的时候？
Then she found one that was not like the others, sort of hard to understand, actually.
然后她发现了一个与其他不同的，实际上有点难以理解。
Picture this, a thick slice of wood, sanded and shellacked and mounted with a miniature rim and backboard, and then, leaping across the front, a stick figure made of roofing nails going in for a slam dunk.
想象一下这样的场景：一块厚木片，经过打磨和打漆，安装有微型轮辋和篮板，然后，一个用屋顶钉子制成的简笔人物跳过前面，准备灌篮。
Mary identified this as her 1978 girls varsity team trophy from Cardinal Dougherty High School.
玛丽认出这是她 1978 年从 Cardinal Dougherty 高中获得的女子校队奖杯。
And the girls, she said, had not been pleased with the trophy at all.
她说，女孩们对奖杯一点也不满意。
It's ugly, isn't it?
这很丑，不是吗？
Nancy Updike Yeah, it is truly-- It's so damned--
南希·厄普代克 是的，这确实是——太该死了——
We were all really unhappy.
我们都很不高兴。
We wanted, like, a traditional--
我们想要一个传统的——
Will you give it to me?
你会把它给我吗？
Mary Conway [LAUGHS] Yes.
玛丽·康威[笑]是的。
I love it.
我喜欢它。
I want it.
我要它。
Mary Conway We would rather have had, like, the also ugly but much more acceptable old version of trophies than those trophies.
玛丽·康威：我们宁愿拥有同样丑陋但更容易接受的旧版奖杯，而不是那些奖杯。
Oh, sure.
哦，当然。
Oh, sure.
哦，当然。
I mean, if you're a 13-year-old girl, you don't want to be walking home with that.
我的意思是，如果你是一个 13 岁的女孩，你不会想带着它回家的。
You want that.
你想要那个。
Right, right.
对，对。
Nancy Updike --that's a trophy.
南希·厄普代克——那是一个奖杯。
You want something that goes up high in the sky, not something that is a slice of a tree.
你想要的是高高在上的东西，而不是树的一片。
You don't want a tree slice.
你不需要树片。
Mary Conway A slice of a tree with a nail stick figure soldered together, doing the one thing that you know you'll never be able to do-- dunk.
玛丽·康威 将一片树与钉子焊接在一起，做一件你知道你永远做不到的事情——扣篮。
Was that something that you all discussed?
这是你们都讨论过的事情吗？
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
And we also thought that that was the only reason we'd never been in the NBA.
我们还认为这是我们从未进入 NBA 的唯一原因。
Luckily for us, we all thought, well, you know, we're really some of the best players on the face of the Earth.
对我们来说幸运的是，我们都认为，嗯，你知道，我们确实是地球上最好的球员之一。
You know, when you're a 16-year-old girl who's playing at a tough Catholic league school, like you think, yeah, we're good enough.
你知道，当你是一个 16 岁的女孩，在一所艰难的天主教联盟学校打球时，就像你想的那样，是的，我们已经足够好了。
I'm just as good as Maurice Cheeks.
我和莫里斯·奇克斯一样出色。
And you know, the Doctor would like to play with me, Doctor J.
你知道，博士想和我一起玩，J 博士。
And we could attribute our lack of success in the NBA to the fact that we were girls, soon to be women, who would never dunk.
我们可以将我们在 NBA 未能取得成功的原因归咎于我们是女孩，很快就会成为女性，永远不会扣篮。
And that's all that was keeping us from it.
这就是阻止我们的一切。
Mary handed me the wood-sliced trophy.
玛丽把木片奖杯递给我。
And when I reached to touch the stick figure, I realized that one of its feet was on a pivot, so I could actually make it go in for the dunk.
当我伸手触摸火柴人时，我意识到它的一只脚在枢轴上，所以我实际上可以让它扣篮。
Once I discovered this, it was impossible not to do it over and over and over.
一旦我发现了这一点，就不可能不一遍又一遍地这样做。
The trophy was completely hypnotizing, a disturbing artifact from an artistic period best forgotten.
这个奖杯完全令人着迷，是一个令人不安的艺术品，来自一个最好被遗忘的艺术时期。
The art of the late '70s, especially in Catholic religion textbooks and churches and stuff was so ugly.
七十年代末的艺术，尤其是天主教教科书和教堂之类的艺术，是如此丑陋。
Who knew there was even a genre of late-'70s Catholic textbook art worlds.
谁知道甚至还有一种 70 年代末天主教教科书艺术世界的流派。
You know, that whole scene.
你知道，整个场景。
I'm afraid I've been so influenced by it, it's like, you know--
恐怕我受到了它的影响，就像，你知道——
I need to walk away.
我需要走开。
Mary Conway --those little ink drawings that are just a little bit off on-purpose.
玛丽·康威——那些故意有点偏离的小水墨画。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
And the on-purposeness of it is just, like--
它的目的只是，就像——
--oh, help me.
——噢，帮帮我吧。
Yeah, right, right.
是啊，对，对。
You can always hear a Cat Stevens song playing in the background.
您总能听到 Cat Stevens 的歌曲在背景中播放。
As a kid, Mary played basketball mostly with her older brother, Daniel.
小时候，玛丽主要和她的哥哥丹尼尔一起打篮球。
The two of them roamed around the city together looking for pickup games whenever they could, all summer, every weekend, even at night, because the court down the street had lights.
整个夏天，每个周末，甚至晚上，他们两个只要一有机会就一起在城市里闲逛，寻找临时比赛，因为街边的球场有灯。
It was a way to get out of the house, to escape the chaos of 11 kids in a working class Irish family in a too-small house on the edge of Northeast Philadelphia.
这是一种离开家的方式，是为了逃离爱尔兰工薪阶层家庭中 11 个孩子在费城东北部边缘的一所小房子里的混乱。
Basketball was a place of clear rules and gestures that always made sense.
篮球是一个有着明确规则和总是有意义的手势的地方。
And home was a place where you could get hit for no reason, or find yourself still hungry at the end of a meal.
而家是一个你可能会无缘无故受到打击，或者在饭后发现自己仍然饥饿的地方。
Mary remembered being hungry a lot growing up, a fact always cheerfully denied by the nuns at school.
玛丽记得小时候经常挨饿，但学校的修女们总是乐呵呵地否认这一事实。
The message was, you couldn't be hungry because your parents are saints.
传达的信息是，你不能挨饿，因为你的父母是圣人。
And they especially directed it to our family and all the other families that had a lot of kids in them, that our parents were saints because they worked so hard to provide for us.
他们特别向我们的家庭和所有其他有很多孩子的家庭传达这样的信息：我们的父母是圣人，因为他们努力工作来养活我们。
So I thought that I was just extraordinarily greedy that I would want to eat when I was hungry.
所以我想我只是太贪心了，饿了就想吃东西。
I think that playing basketball was a way to say, you know, if I could use my body in this way, that got me status and attention and a certain amount of prestige, then my body was OK in a way, even though it was-- I mean, I was way too skinny when I was a kid.
我认为打篮球是一种表达方式，你知道，如果我能以这种方式利用我的身体，让我获得地位、关注和一定的声望，那么我的身体在某种程度上还可以，尽管我的意思是，我小时候太瘦了。
And it was cause for concern for the school nurse a couple times.
这几次引起了学校护士的担忧。
And playing basketball was a way to say, you know, you're not going to have neural damage from being malnourished.
打篮球是一种表达，你知道，你不会因营养不良而遭受神经损伤。
You're just going to have these other minor malnourished problems.
你只会遇到这些其他轻微的营养不良问题。
Another good thing about basketball was that it was cheap.
篮球的另一个好处是它很便宜。
Mary bought the family a rim and a basketball for their backyard when she was only seven or eight, using her first communion money, $65 in $5 increments from everyone in her huge family.
玛丽在七八岁的时候就用她的第一笔圣餐费为家里的后院买了一个轮圈和一个篮球，这笔钱是她大家庭中每个人的 65 美元，增量为 5 美元。
The only equipment she really needed and could never afford were good shoes.
她唯一真正需要却买不起的装备就是好鞋子。
She always had those supermarket checkout line shoes with the hard plastic soles that were completely embarrassing, of course, but also had no grippability.
她总是穿那种超市收银台的硬塑料鞋底鞋，当然很尴尬，而且没有抓地力。
So she would be running down a court and go sliding and be called for traveling.
所以她会在球场上奔跑、滑行，然后被叫去旅行。
So one year, she got up the courage to ask a girl down the block for her old shoes.
于是有一年，她鼓起勇气向街区另一端的一个女孩要她的旧鞋子。
Her name was Karen, and she had really nice Beta Bullets, high tops, white.
她的名字叫凯伦，她有非常漂亮的 Beta Bullets，高帮，白色。
And I wanted her sneakers because I knew she was getting new ones.
我想要她的运动鞋，因为我知道她正在买新的。
And in our neighborhood, there is the practice of throwing your old sneakers up over the telephone wires when you're done with them.
在我们附近，有一种习惯，当你用完旧运动鞋后，就把它们扔到电话线上。
And most of them were hardly worn out at all.
而且大多数都几乎没有磨损。
I mean, a lot of them, you could see that there was tread missing, but it's not like you had ripped through the top of them.
我的意思是，你可以看到其中很多都缺少胎面，但这并不像你撕破了它们的顶部。
And I'd asked her for them, and she said, yeah, that she would give them to me when she got her new ones.
我向她要了它们，她说，是的，当她得到新的时，她会把它们给我。
I thought that it was a little bit weird that I would ask somebody for their used shoes, but we had other clothes that were used from other people.
我觉得我向别人要他们用过的鞋子有点奇怪，但我们还有其他人用过的衣服。
And she was tough, and she kind of had this-- she seemed like she'd be the kind of person that could keep something like that to her and would know what it meant.
她很坚强，而且她有这样的特质——她似乎是那种可以把这样的事情留给自己并且知道这意味着什么的人。
And she did.
她做到了。
She never told anybody, except, of course, the most important person that she shouldn't have told, her mother.
她从来没有告诉过任何人，当然，除了她不应该告诉的最重要的人，她的母亲。
And her mother got really upset and told her that she couldn't give them to me.
她妈妈非常生气并告诉她不能把它们给我。
And there they were, hanging up on the telephone wire, my sneakers.
他们就在那里，挂在电话线上，我的运动鞋。
And I'm sure that her mom did that because she was afraid that if I came home with a pair of used sneakers that it would be insulting to my mother.
我确信她妈妈这样做是因为她担心如果我带着一双用过的运动鞋回家会侮辱我的母亲。
I'm sure that they all had this understanding of themselves, like you don't insult one of your peers by giving their kids your crappy shoes even though they're better than the crappy shoes that you bought for them.
我确信他们对自己都有这样的认识，就像你不会因为给孩子们买你的蹩脚鞋子而侮辱你的同龄人，即使它们比你给他们买的蹩脚鞋子更好。
But there were always really beautiful sneakers hanging up on the wires, and there was no way to get them, no way at all.
但电线上总是挂着非常漂亮的运动鞋，而且没有办法得到它们，根本没有办法。
They just floated up there.
他们只是漂浮在那里。
And you know what?
你知道吗？
I think that's when I decided that platonic idealism was true.
我想就在那时我决定柏拉图式的理想主义是正确的。
There really was a perfect thing that I would never experience, at least while I played in that Catholic league.
确实有一种我永远不会经历的完美的事情，至少在我在天主教联赛中踢球的时候是这样。
And only I could see them for what they were.
只有我才能看到它们的本来面目。
They only saw worn-out tread.
他们只看到磨损的胎面。
I saw a season of unforeseen high statistics.
我看到了一个意想不到的高统计数据的赛季。
We talked for two hours about basketball.
我们聊了两个小时关于篮球的话题。
And we kept returning to the dunk, that special thing boys can do and girls can't.
我们不断地回到扣篮上，这是男孩可以做而女孩不能做的特殊事情。
And the cruelty of the dunk on that wood-sliced trophy, a dunk by a stick figure made of nails, driving home their 18-year-old sense of frustration.
还有那个木片奖杯上的残酷扣篮，一个钉子做成的简笔画扣篮，让他们18岁的挫败感更加强烈。
They could be the best ball handlers, the best guards, and it didn't matter worth a damn because they couldn't dunk.
他们可能是最好的控球手、最好的后卫，但因为他们不会扣篮，所以这根本不值一提。
All of that captured forever in the last trophy most of them would ever receive.
所有这一切都在他们大多数人获得的最后一个奖杯中得到了永远的体现。
I think it was really kind of thoughtless in the way that thoughtless things can sometimes have a really nasty edge to them.
我认为这确实是一种轻率的做法，因为轻率的事情有时会给他们带来非常讨厌的边缘。
And we had a woman on our team who was African-American who was, like 6'3, and she couldn't dunk the ball.
我们队里有一位女性，她是非裔美国人，身高大约 6 英尺 3 英寸，但她无法扣篮。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
It was like there was no one that we knew who could dunk the ball, not a single woman that we knew.
就好像我们认识的人中没有人能够扣篮，我们认识的女人也没有。
And we knew some tall women.
我们认识一些高个子女性。
We knew women who were in college.
我们认识上大学的女性。
I mean, I used to have a dream, a recurring dream that I dunked the ball.
我的意思是，我曾经做过一个梦，一个反复出现的梦，梦见我扣篮。
What were the circumstances?
当时的情况如何？
Mary Conway I was on the baseline.
玛丽·康威（Mary Conway）我处于基线。
I'm so glad you asked.
我很高兴你问了。
Mary Conway I was in the same position all the time.
玛丽·康威 我一直处于同样的境地。
And it wasn't like kinds of dunks that you see in real life, like that even the best players can do.
这不像你在现实生活中看到的那种扣篮，即使是最好的球员也能做到。
This was a spectacular dunk, because I didn't just get my hands up over the rim, I sailed over the rim with my feet and got above the basket and just slammed the ball down through the thing.
这是一次精彩的扣篮，因为我不只是把手举过篮筐，而是用脚越过篮筐，到达篮筐上方，然后将球猛地击穿篮筐。
My whole body was above the rim.
我的整个身体都在篮筐之上。
Wow.
哇。
Mary Conway And stayed inbounds the whole time.
玛丽·康威 并一直留在界内。
Mary Conway, talking with our own Nancy Updike.
玛丽·康威，与我们自己的南希·厄普代克交谈。
[MUSIC - "OH VERY YOUNG" BY CAT STEVENS]
[音乐 - 猫史蒂文斯的“OH VERY YOUNG”]
You know, we were going to play the Cat Stevens here as a joke, but it sounds really good.
你知道，我们本来打算在这里扮演猫·史蒂文斯（Cat Stevens）作为一个笑话，但这听起来确实不错。
[LAUGHS] You know, because she mentions Cat Stevens in the piece.
[笑]你知道，因为她在文章中提到了卡特·史蒂文斯。
We don't have time to actually play it, because we have another appointment.
我们没有时间真正玩它，因为我们还有另一个约会。
And our appointment is with--
我们的约会是——
[MUSIC - "SHOOT PASS SLAM" BY SHAQUILLE O'NEAL]
[音乐 - 沙奎尔·奥尼尔的“SHOOT PASS SLAM”]
This is a rap song by Shaquille O'Neal of the Orlando Magic, part of our continuing survey over the course of this radio program of rap stars, basketball stars.
这是奥兰多魔术队沙奎尔·奥尼尔创作的一首说唱歌曲，是我们在这个关于说唱明星、篮球明星的广播节目中持续调查的一部分。
Act Four, Basketball and Commerce.
第四幕，篮球和商业。
OK, sure, Michael Jordan has his multimillion dollar Nike and Gatorade endorsements.
好吧，当然，迈克尔乔丹拥有价值数百万美元的耐克和佳得乐代言。
Dennis Rodman has a national bestselling book, a McDonald's deal.
丹尼斯·罗德曼有一本全国畅销书，是麦当劳的一笔交易。
In contrast, the Scottie Pippen Dodge store on Western Avenue in Chicago is, I will argue, the most modest product endorsement in the NBA.
相比之下，我认为芝加哥西大街的斯科蒂·皮蓬·道奇店是 NBA 中最谦虚的产品代言店。
It's a car dealership selling Intrepids and Neons and Dodge 4x4s.
这是一家汽车经销商，销售 Intrepids、Neons 和 Dodge 4x4。
And right now, during the playoffs, the showrooms are filled with balloons and basketball players made out of balloons.
现在，在季后赛期间，陈列室里充满了气球和用气球制成的篮球运动员。
The windows are painted with the words "Playoff Payoff." But mostly, it looks like any other Dodge dealership, a little rundown, with posters of Scottie and Bulls insignias here and there.
窗户上画着“Playoff Payoff”字样。但大多数情况下，它看起来就像任何其他道奇经销店一样，有点破旧，到处都贴着斯科蒂和公牛队徽章的海报。
I figured I should have a real Bulls fan with me when I visited, so I brought Beau O'Reilly, a Chicago playwright and musician and actor who's been on our program here a few times, and a Scottie Pippen fan.
我认为我参观时应该有一位真正的公牛队球迷陪伴，所以我带了博·奥莱利（Beau O'Reilly）和一位斯科蒂·皮蓬的球迷，他是一位芝加哥剧作家、音乐家和演员，曾多次参加过我们的节目。
He pressed the owner of the dealership, Nick Farschi, for details about Pippen.
他向经销商老板尼克·法尔斯奇（Nick Farschi）询问有关皮蓬的详细信息。
But really, what's the guy going to say?
但说实话，这个人会说什么？
Probably one of the nicest people you ever get to meet.
可能是你见过的最好的人之一。
He seems publicly to be a very soft-spoken person, very kind of quiet person usually.
他在公开场合看起来是一个说话很温柔的人，平时很安静。
That's exactly how he is.
他就是这样。
He's real soft-spoken.
他说话真的很温柔。
He hardly ever gets mad.
他几乎从不生气。
And when he does get mad, then you'll know.
当他真的生气时，你就会知道。
What does he drive?
他开什么车？
Nick Farschi I think he owns a Porsche, and a Mercedes, and a Land Rover.
尼克·法斯基（Nick Farschi）我认为他拥有一辆保时捷、一辆奔驰和一辆路虎。
Occasionally he drives a conversion van in the summertime.
有时他会在夏季驾驶一辆改装货车。
Note that only the last of these, the conversion van, can actually be purchased at the Scottie Pippen Dodge store.
请注意，只有最后一种，即改装货车，实际上可以在斯科蒂皮蓬道奇商店购买。
When offered a chance to lie and push some Dodge product, owner Nick Farschi actually seemed to answer our questions honestly, to his credit.
当我们有机会撒谎并推销道奇产品时，店主尼克·法尔斯奇实际上似乎诚实地回答了我们的问题，这一点值得称赞。
He admitted that Scottie only drops in once every couple months, that Scottie is paid a fee for the use of his name, and the business has increased a total of 10% or 15% since they put Scottie's name above the door.
他承认斯科蒂每隔几个月才来一次，斯科蒂因使用他的名字而付费，自从他们把斯科蒂的名字放在门上以来，生意总共增加了10%或15%。
People do come in hoping to meet Scottie, or simply to get near the Scottie Pippen magic.
人们确实希望见到斯科蒂，或者只是为了接近斯科蒂·皮蓬的魔力。
And Nick Farschi said that, during 1994, when Scottie had a bad year on the court, walked out of a game with 1.8 seconds left, was arrested for carrying an illegal gun, was accused of domestic violence, well, sales did suffer.
尼克·法斯基说，1994年，斯科蒂在球场上表现不佳，在比赛还剩1.8秒时退场，因携带非法枪支被捕，被指控家庭暴力，销售确实受到了影响。
The business slowed down a little bit.
生意稍微放缓了一些。
People were nervous.
人们很紧张。
It was almost like a disaster [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
这几乎就像一场灾难[难以理解]。
Live by the celebrity endorsement, die by the celebrity endorsement.
靠明星代言生，靠明星代言死。
And there is, after all, something a little strange about buying a car from a dealership whose spokesman can sometimes be a bully on the basketball court.
毕竟，从经销商处购买汽车，而经销商的代言人有时可能是篮球场上的恶霸，这有点奇怪。
I mean, would you want the salesman to knock you around the way that Scottie hurls himself at, say, the New York Knicks.
我的意思是，你希望推销员像斯科蒂向纽约尼克斯队那样猛烈地攻击你吗？
Mr. Farschi says this question misses the point.
法尔斯基先生说这个问题没有抓住重点。
When people come in here, they're not in competition with Scottie, so that's-- When they come in here and buy a car from him, they're on Scottie's team.
当人们来到这里时，他们并不与斯科蒂竞争，所以——当他们来到这里并从他那里购买汽车时，他们就属于斯科蒂的团队。
And one way the Scottie Pippen Dodge store makes you feel like you are on Scottie's team is that they let you visit his private office, built specially on the premises, with glass windows looking out onto the showroom.
斯科蒂皮蓬道奇商店让您感觉自己是斯科蒂团队成员的一种方式是，他们让您参观他的私人办公室，该办公室是专门在店内建造的，通过玻璃窗可以看到陈列室。
Mr. Farschi was kind enough to open it up for Beau and I.
法尔斯奇先生很友善地为博和我打开了它。
The office is paneled with dark, expensive-looking wood.
办公室的镶板是深色的、看上去很昂贵的木头。
It's much more luxurious than Mr. Farschi's office, though it's clear from the moment you enter that no one does any work here.
它比法尔斯基先生的办公室豪华得多，不过从你进入的那一刻起就很明显没有人在这里做任何工作。
There are no papers, no clutter.
没有文件，没有杂乱。
On the wall are a few not-terribly significant mementos, a picture with the '93 Olympic Dream Team, a license plate with Scottie's number, 33, on it.
墙上有一些不太重要的纪念品，一张 93 年奥运会梦之队的照片，一张印有斯科蒂号码 33 的车牌。
There's a mini refrigerator, though Beau and I didn't have the nerve to look inside.
有一个迷你冰箱，尽管博和我没有勇气看里面。
Beau did take a peek at the private bathroom and saw Scottie's toilet.
博确实看了一眼私人浴室，看到了斯科蒂的厕所。
The most personal positions in the office are a picture of Scottie's dogs, and some amusements.
办公室里最私人的位置是斯科蒂的狗的照片和一些娱乐设施。
What's the parrot?
鹦鹉是什么？
Nick Farschi That's just a toy.
尼克·法斯基 那只是一个玩具。
It's just a toy that he plays with when he's here.
这只是他来这里时玩的一个玩具。
When he's here, usually he shoots hoops on the wall, and he practices.
当他在这里时，通常他会在墙上投篮并练习。
He shoots like a little Nerf basketball?
他的投篮像一个小 Nerf 篮球？
Yeah.
是的。
Beau O'reilly But how does he play with the parrot?
博·奥莱利 但他是如何与鹦鹉玩耍的呢？
What does it do?
它有什么作用？
It just repeats everything around that you say.
它只是重复你所说的一切。
Oh.
哦。
[LAUGHS] Well, that's convenient.
[笑]嗯，这很方便。
Can we get it to talk to us?
我们可以让它和我们说话吗？
Try it.
尝试一下。
Beau O'reilly You push the button?
博·奥莱利 你按下按钮了吗？
Now just say hello.
现在只是打个招呼。
Beau O'reilly Hello, here we are at the Scottie Pippen's store.
Beau O'reilly 你好，我们在斯科蒂·皮蓬的商店。
Hello, here we are at Scottie Pippen-- Hello, here we are at Scottie Pippen.
你好，我们在斯科蒂·皮蓬——你好，我们在斯科蒂·皮蓬。
Ah, yep, yep.
啊，是的，是的。
We're here in Scottie Pippen's office at the Scottie Pippen store.
我们现在在斯科蒂皮蓬商店里的斯科蒂皮蓬办公室。
Ha, that's great.
哈，那太好了。
Parrot Ha, ha, ha, ha.
鹦鹉哈哈哈哈哈哈哈
I can see him playing with that all day.
我可以看到他整天都在玩这个。
Well, here, we'll leave a message for Scottie.
好吧，我们在这里给斯科蒂留言。
Well, here, we'll leave a message for Scot--
好吧，在这里，我们要给斯科特留言——
Thanks Scottie, for letting us visit you here in your office here at the Scottie Pippen store.
感谢斯科蒂让我们在斯科蒂皮蓬商店的办公室拜访您。
Mr. Farschi guesses that if Scottie does well and the Bulls win the NBA Finals, it could mean as many as 15 or 20 extra Dodge vans, trucks, and cars sold from this store.
Farschi 先生猜测，如果斯科蒂表现出色，公牛队赢得 NBA 总决赛，这可能意味着这家商店会额外出售 15 或 20 辆道奇面包车、卡车和汽车。
If the Scottie Pippen Dodge store is the most understated Bulls-related business, in this, our fair city, with no TV ads, barely any Bulls hype, the most garish manifestation of the merchandising of basketball is downtown on Michigan Avenue, a combination shoe store and museum called Niketown.
如果说斯科蒂·皮蓬·道奇店是与公牛队相关的最低调的商店，那么在我们这个公平的城市，没有电视广告，几乎没有任何公牛队的炒作，篮球商品最花哨的表现是密歇根大道市中心的一家名为 Niketown 的鞋店和博物馆。
Niketown is the size of a small department store, reportedly grosses $2.5 million in sales each week.
Niketown 的规模相当于一家小型百货商店，据报道每周销售额达 250 万美元。
Inside, there are statues of athletes in midair, a 20-foot banner of Michael Jordan with a quote from William Blake underneath, display cases with sports memorabilia, slogans everywhere, like "Play to Win," "Total Body Conditioning," "Test Your Faith," on long banners hung in a mock socialist, WPA style.
里面有半空中的运动员雕像，一面 20 英尺高的迈克尔·乔丹横幅，下面有一句威廉·布莱克的名言，展示柜上摆满了体育纪念品，到处都是标语，比如“为胜利而战”、“全身锻炼”、“测试你的信仰”，长横幅上挂着模仿社会主义的 WPA 风格。
When you go inside Niketown, there are 18 separate pavilions, each with its own kind of sight and sound environment, like a real basketball court floor, and the sounds of squeaking sneakers on hardwood in the area that sells basketball stuff, the sound of tennis balls being hit in another area where they sell tennis stuff.
走进Niketown，里面有18个独立的展馆，每个展馆都有自己的视觉和声音环境，就像真正的篮球场地板一样，在卖篮球用品的区域可以听到运动鞋在硬木上吱吱作响的声音，在另一个卖网球用品的区域可以听到网球被击打的声音。
As the writer, Andrew Levy, points out-- it's from a piece he wrote-- "The buying of goods invokes a sequence of events and images that make the purchase itself playful.
正如作者安德鲁·利维（Andrew Levy）在他写的一篇文章中指出的那样，“购买商品会引发一系列事件和图像，这些事件和图像使购买本身变得有趣。
Items move from the fourth-floor storeroom to the cashier stations through clear plastic tubes rimmed with green neon that suggest, as they are meant to, the cartoon future of the Jetsons.
物品通过镶有绿色霓虹灯的透明塑料管从四楼的储藏室运送到收银台，正如它们的本意一样，这些霓虹灯暗示着杰森一家的卡通未来。
The direct purchase of goods is designed to appear to be an afterthought.
直接购买商品的目的似乎是事后才想到的。
The retail areas are cramped compared to the open atriums designed for the display of art and statuary.
与专为展示艺术品和雕像而设计的开放式中庭相比，零售区显得局促。
And the store's design requires every entering customer to be distracted by considerable aesthetics before reaching any locale where Nike items can actually be purchased.
商店的设计要求每一位进入的顾客在到达任何可以实际购买耐克商品的地方之前都要被相当大的美感所吸引。
There are whimsical, anarchic features everywhere in Niketown.
耐克城到处都是异想天开、无政府主义的特征。
Tropical fish swim in a 22-foot, 1,000-gallon tank behind the hiking shoe display.
热带鱼在远足鞋展示区后面 22 英尺、1,000 加仑的水箱中游泳。
A bank of nine television screens embedded beneath the floor nearby flashes images of glimmering swimming pools and waterfalls.
附近地板下嵌入了九个电视屏幕，闪烁着闪闪发光的游泳池和瀑布的图像。
It is seductive and very effective at creating sales."
它很有吸引力，而且在创造销售方面非常有效。”
[SINGING] I've been down to Niketown.
[唱歌]我去过耐克城。
I've been down to Niketown.
我去过耐克城。
I want to shake this angst I found when I was down in Niketown, down in Niketown.
我想摆脱我在耐克城时发现的这种焦虑。
I felt so cyberpunk as I was walking down the hall.
当我走在大厅里时，我感觉自己很赛博朋克。
They got the [?
他们得到了[?
Trial de Turin ?] in the toilet stall.
都灵审判？]在厕所隔间。
I got the semiotic cross-training homesick blues.
我得到了符号学交叉训练的思乡忧郁。
Hey buddy, is there somewhere quite where I can focus on some shoes?
嘿伙计，有什么地方可以让我集中精力买鞋吗？
Now, what is that?
现在，那是什么？
Is that a talisman or a artifact of grammatology of some kind?
这是护身符还是某种语法学的神器？
Is that a subject, object, dislo-- Oh, it's a shoe?
那是一个主语、客体吗？噢，这是一只鞋？
No, I'm sorry.
不，对不起。
I'm just so old that I get bewildered and stuff with all this gestalten you've got whizzing around here.
我只是太老了，以至于我对你在这里呼啸而过的所有这些格式塔感到困惑。
Say, what-- Just, would you remind me what a shoe is again?
说，什么——只是，你能再提醒我一下鞋子是什么吗？
Is it some kind of a-- Is it a phoneme?
它是某种音素吗？
Is it a penumbra?
是半影吗？
Is that a-- Is that the shoe itself, or is that the idea of shoe?
这是鞋子本身，还是鞋子的理念？
I nearly drowned in Niketown.
我差点在耐克镇淹死。
I nearly drowned in Niketown.
我差点在耐克镇淹死。
I just can't shake this angst I found when I was down in Niketown, down in Niketown.
当我在耐克城的时候，我无法摆脱这种焦虑。
The song styling of Jewboy Cain, aka Mr. Jeff Dorchen.
Jewboy Cain（又名 Jeff Dorchen 先生）的歌曲风格。
Act Five, One More Dream.
第五幕，又一个梦想。
Brett Grossman This dream was probably the biggest dream in my life as far as changing the way I was.
布雷特·格罗斯曼（Brett Grossman） 就改变我的生活方式而言，这个梦想可能是我一生中最大的梦想。
We began this hour with dreams about the Bulls.
我们从关于公牛队的梦想开始了这一个小时。
And the most intense dream that anybody came to us with about the Bulls came from a guy named Brett Grossman.
任何人对公牛队最强烈的梦想来自一个名叫布雷特·格罗斯曼的人。
In his dream, Michael Jordan appears both as Brett's dead father and as Christ, healing and taking away pain.
在他的梦中，迈克尔·乔丹既以布雷特死去的父亲的身份出现，又以基督的身份出现，治愈并消除痛苦。
Brett says that he's had other dreams where Michael Jordan is crucified on a cross made of baseball bats.
布雷特说，他还做过其他梦，梦见迈克尔·乔丹被钉在棒球棒制成的十字架上。
But in this dream, the one that changed his life, there are kind of two big scenes.
但在这个改变他一生的梦中，有两个大场景。
One is this traumatic event in Brett's life, where his father died when he was a kid, which he feels a lot of pain about.
其中之一是布雷特一生中的这一创伤性事件，他的父亲在他还是个孩子的时候就去世了，这让他感到非常痛苦。
And the other is this scene where there's a huge coliseum, like a Roman coliseum, and in the middle there's a basketball court, and there's Michael Jordan on the court alone, trying to make a shot, trying to jump and lift off the ground.
另一个是这个场景，有一个巨大的竞技场，就像罗马竞技场一样，中间有一个篮球场，迈克尔·乔丹独自在场上，试图投篮，试图跳跃和离地。
And I'm feeling like Michael Jordan, something is grabbing him, pulling him down.
我感觉就像迈克尔乔丹一样，有什么东西抓住了他，把他拉倒了。
And he's just, with all his strength, he's just jumping as high as he can.
他只是用尽全力，尽可能地跳得高。
And it's like there's this pressure from below that's just ripping on him, pulling him down.
就好像有一股来自下方的压力撕扯着他，把他拉下来。
And he's just suspended in there, as if his will and the pressure of the world and the gravity are at complete odds and smashing against each other, and his body is just ripping apart.
而他就悬浮在那里，仿佛他的意志与世界的压力、重力完全相反，相互撞击，身体正在撕裂。
And the whole entire crowd erupts.
整个人群爆发了。
Everyone's screaming, going crazy.
每个人都在尖叫，都快疯了。
But it's this maniacal-- It's like we're all watching someone being killed.
但这太疯狂了——就好像我们都在看着有人被杀。
And every time the ball dribbles, my pain becomes a little less, and Michael Jordan is just grimacing.
每次球运球时，我的疼痛都会减轻一点，而迈克尔乔丹只是做鬼脸。
And no one's going to help him, and I'm sitting there feeling like my pain is becoming less and then lessening.
没有人会帮助他，而我坐在那里，感觉我的痛苦越来越小，然后越来越小。
And there was all this pain that Michael Jordan had absorbed for me.
迈克尔·乔丹为我承受了所有这些痛苦。
And somehow, Michael Jordan, though, had, for this one second, basically neutralized a pain that I had felt my whole life, and this pain with my father, and a pain of just your existence, of being alone.
然而，不知何故，迈克尔·乔丹在这一秒钟内基本上消除了我一生所感受到的痛苦，这种痛苦与我父亲有关，以及你的存在和孤独的痛苦。
And for this one second, I could feel it.
就这一秒钟，我能感觉到。
It was the first time in my life that I ever-- and I woke up from the dream-- I ever realized that that's a possibility, that pain is something that you don't necessarily need to feel all the time to understand it.
这是我一生中第一次——我从梦中醒来——我意识到这是一种可能性，痛苦是一种你不一定需要一直感受到才能理解的东西。
Why Michael Jordan?
为什么是迈克尔·乔丹？
If you're going to have a dream like this, why Michael Jordan?
如果你有这样的梦想，为什么是迈克尔·乔丹？
Because there's thing, there's Michael Jordan, and you see it in his eyes.
因为有件事，那就是迈克尔·乔丹，你可以从他的眼睛里看到这一点。
And it happened during the Miami series of this year.
这发生在今年的迈阿密系列赛期间。
I don't know how it is, but his eyes turn inward.
我不知道怎么回事，但他的目光向内转。
He becomes very serious and solemn.
他变得非常严肃和严肃。
And you feel that he is taking everyone on the team and just taking all their faults, all their backaches, all their problems, all their ego trips, and he's cushioning them for them.
你会觉得他正在承担团队中的每个人，承担他们所有的过错、所有的背痛、所有的问题、所有的自我错觉，并且他正在为他们提供缓冲。
He's saying, "Look, I'm Michael Jordan, I'm going to win the game, you know that, stop.
他说，“听着，我是迈克尔·乔丹，我要赢得比赛，你知道的，停下来。
Just let it all loose and we're going to win the game."
只要放开一切，我们就会赢得比赛。”
And I mean, I'll be at home watching the game on my chair, with my bottle of water, going crazy.
我的意思是，我会坐在家里的椅子上，拿着一瓶水，疯狂地观看比赛。
And I see Michael's eyes and suddenly it's like, OK, I can relax, he's going to win it for me.
我看到迈克尔的眼睛，突然就想，好吧，我可以放松了，他会为我赢得冠军。
And that feeling, it's crazy, but that feeling is something that I think you get from a god, and you get that from, whether false or not, you get that from a religion and an idol.
这种感觉很疯狂，但我认为这种感觉是从神那里得到的，无论真假与否，你都是从宗教和偶像那里得到的。
That here's somebody who's going to solve my problems and heal my pain.
有人会解决我的问题并治愈我的痛苦。
Heal my pain and take away the indecision.
治愈我的痛苦，消除我的犹豫不决。
There's nothing to worry about, because he's going to win the game.
没有什么可担心的，因为他会赢得比赛。
Well, hopefully, we Chicagoans will get to see that look in Michael Jordan's eyes again soon.
好吧，希望我们芝加哥人很快就能再次看到迈克尔·乔丹的眼神。
Our program was produced by Peter Clowney and myself, with Alix Spiegel, Nancy Updike, and Dolores Wilber.
我们的节目由彼得·克劳尼和我、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔、南希·厄普代克和多洛雷斯·威尔伯共同制作。
Contributing editors, Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, and Margy Rochlin.
特约编辑 Paul Tough、Jack Hitt 和 Margy Rochlin。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] If you would like a copy of this program, it is only $10.
[致谢] 如果您想要一份该程序的副本，仅需 10 美元。
You can call us at WBEZ.
您可以致电 WBEZ 联系我们。
That phone number, 312-832-3380, again, 312-832-3380.
该电话号码为 312-832-3380，再次为 312-832-3380。
WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia.
WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 监督。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。