238: Lost in Translation - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass Alex spoke Russian, lived in Russia for a year, worked with Russian refugees in Chicago for two years.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯·亚历克斯会说俄语，在俄罗斯生活了一年，在芝加哥与俄罗斯难民一起工作了两年。
And his Russian teacher thought that he only needed one thing to make his life complete.
而他的俄语老师认为他只需要一件事就能让他的人生变得完整。
She thought I needed a Russian girlfriend.
她认为我需要一个俄罗斯女朋友。
She thought that only Russians would be able to stand up to me the way that I needed to be stood up to, or something.
她认为只有俄罗斯人才能像我需要的那样反抗我，或者其他什么。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I don't know what you-- I truly don't know.
我不知道你在说什么——我真的不知道。
But anyway, that's the thought she had.
但无论如何，她心里就是这么想的。
So she kept trying to fix him up with Russian women.
所以她一直试图让他和俄罗斯女人交往。
And this one night, she had him come out with a whole bunch of people, including this woman Elena, who was going to be his date.
这一天晚上，她让他和一大群人一起出来，其中包括这个女人埃琳娜，她将成为他的约会对象。
And so I meet them for dinner.
所以我和他们一起吃晚饭。
And we're at the sushi restaurant, and we're all eating, and everybody's telling stories, funny stories.
我们在寿司店，我们都在吃饭，每个人都在讲故事，有趣的故事。
And I'm sitting across from my date.
我坐在我约会对象的对面。
And my Russian teacher is turning to me and saying, you know, tell them this story!
我的俄语老师转向我说，你知道，告诉他们这个故事！
Tell them that story!
告诉他们那个故事！
And so then I tell them this story and that story, and everybody's laughing, except for my date.
然后我告诉他们这个故事和那个故事，每个人都在笑，除了我的约会对象。
And so we leave the sushi restaurant and we go to this club.
所以我们离开寿司店，去了这个俱乐部。
And we're all dancing.
我们都在跳舞。
Like, my Russian teacher's dancing, and all of her friends are dancing, and everybody's sort of like, you know, exchanging partners, and it's sort of this fun scene.
就像，我的俄罗斯老师在跳舞，她所有的朋友都在跳舞，每个人都有点像，你知道，交换舞伴，这是一个有趣的场景。
And everybody's dancing except for my date, who's just sitting at the table and sort of nursing a drink.
每个人都在跳舞，除了我的约会对象，她只是坐在桌旁喝一杯。
And looking--?
还看着——？
Alex Blumberg And looking bored.
Alex Blumberg 看起来很无聊。
Really bored.
真的很无聊。
And so, you know, I keep on coming back from the dance floor, and saying, are you sure you don't want to dance?
所以，你知道，我总是从舞池回来问，你确定不想跳舞吗？
You want to dance?
你想跳舞吗？
And then she will sort of smile bitterly, and just shake her head, and-- and so then somebody else will drag me out.
然后她会苦笑着，摇摇头，然后——然后其他人就会把我拖出去。
So finally I come back and I sit down, and I'm sitting next to her, and I'm trying to strike up a conversation.
所以最后我回来了，我坐下来，我坐在她旁边，我试图开始交谈。
And you know, something about like, I guess you don't like dancing, or something like that.
你知道，我猜你不喜欢跳舞，或者类似的事情。
And she sort of looks out at the floor, and there's people having a great time all around.
她看着地板，周围的人都玩得很开心。
And she sort of like nods her chin towards the floor and she's like, "This is an American dance number."
她有点像把下巴指向地板，然后说：“这是美国舞曲。”
And I drove away thinking, well, that was a horrible date.
我开车离开时心想，好吧，那是一次可怕的约会。
Like, neither of us enjoyed each other.
就像，我们俩都不喜欢对方。
And that was a disaster, pretty much.
那几乎是一场灾难。
Like, we were not going to be seeing each other again.
就像，我们不会再见面了。
I get to Russian class the next week, and my Russian teacher says, "hey, so are you going to call Elena?
下周我去上俄语课，我的俄语老师说：“嘿，你要给埃琳娜打电话吗？
She said she had a great time." And I was like, I was floored by that.
她说她玩得很开心。”我当时想，我对此感到震惊。
I was trying to figure out what that could possibly have meant, right?
我试图弄清楚这可能意味着什么，对吗？
And so I was like sort of mulling it over in my head, because it was really fascinating to me.
所以我在脑子里仔细考虑了一下，因为这对我来说真的很着迷。
And I realized that I have a very sort of like clear and perhaps culturally informed idea of what a great date is.
我意识到我对什么是一次伟大的约会有一种非常清晰的、也许是文化上丰富的想法。
And it has to do with the idea of, like, what it means to fall in love.
它与坠入爱河的意义有关。
And I realized that in my head, what I think about as a great date is what sort of you see in the movies.
我意识到，在我的脑海里，我认为的一次伟大的约会就是你在电影中看到的是什么样的约会。
Like sort of the "falling in love" montage of the movies.
就像电影中的“坠入爱河”蒙太奇。
You know, you go on a great date.
你知道，你的约会很棒。
It often involves a boardwalk.
它通常涉及木板路。
There's a great deal of sort of like, throwing your heads back in laughter.
有很多类似的事情，让你仰起头大笑。
You might chase each other around a tree.
你们可能会绕着树互相追逐。
Splashing of water is almost always involved.
几乎总是涉及溅水。
And I think for her, and this is something that I always noticed when I was in Russia, I think that for her, it's totally different thing.
我认为对她来说，这是我在俄罗斯时总是注意到的事情，我认为对她来说，这是完全不同的事情。
In Russia, and in Russian literature, there's a lot of talk about the soul and soulmates.
在俄罗斯和俄罗斯文学中，有很多关于灵魂和灵魂伴侣的讨论。
And I think for her, like, falling in love means finding the one person on the planet who understands the misery of life as deeply and fully as you do.
我认为对她来说，坠入爱河意味着在这个星球上找到一个像你一样深刻、充分理解生活痛苦的人。
And they can talk to you about it.
他们可以和你谈论这件事。
And so when she acted all depressed on their date, she was not actually blowing Alex off like he thought at the time.
因此，当她在约会时表现得很沮丧时，她实际上并没有像亚历克斯当时所想的那样对他大发雷霆。
She was flirting.
她正在调情。
So Alex decides to ask his Russian teacher about this theory, that Americans and Russians have completely different views of what it means to fall in love.
因此，亚历克斯决定向他的俄罗斯老师询问这个理论，即美国人和俄罗斯人对坠入爱河的含义有着完全不同的看法。
And I have to say, he's a little bit nervous to try this out on her, because he's worried that maybe it's insulting or stereotyping Russians.
我不得不说，他对在她身上尝试这个有点紧张，因为他担心这可能是对俄罗斯人的侮辱或刻板印象。
But he explains the theory to her.
但他向她解释了这个理论。
And she totally agreed.
她完全同意。
She was like, that's absolutely right.
她说，这绝对是正确的。
You're right.
你说得对。
And and then she just went on a rant about Americans.
然后她就开始对美国人大肆咆哮。
And she was like, Americans, they have no understanding of what it's like to fall in love.
她说，美国人，他们不理解坠入爱河是什么感觉。
And like, Americans, I never understand, why do you say, "he makes me laugh?" Why is that so important?
就像，美国人，我永远不明白，为什么你们说，“他让我笑？”为什么这如此重要？
"He makes me laugh?" Every American I've ever met, all they say, when you ask them how the relationship is, and they say "he makes me laugh" as if that's the greatest thing in the world?
“他让我笑？”我见过的每一个美国人，当你问他们关系如何时，他们都会说“他让我笑”，好像这是世界上最伟大的事情？
What's so great about "he makes me laugh?"
“他让我笑”有什么了不起的？
She just, you know, went off on like, something that I have actually said many times.
她只是，你知道，就像我已经说过很多次的事情一样。
Like, I just want somebody who makes me laugh.
就像，我只是想要一个能让我笑的人。
Some days seems like every story in the world is the story of cultural misunderstanding.
有时候，世界上的每个故事似乎都是文化误解的故事。
Between people of different countries, Muslims and Christians, blacks and whites, Republicans and Democrats, men and women, Spanish speakers and Anglos, adults and children, rich people and poor people.
不同国家的人之间，穆斯林和基督徒，黑人和白人，共和党人和民主党人，男人和女人，讲西班牙语的人和盎格鲁人，成人和儿童，富人和穷人。
And so today, in this era of misunderstandings abroad and at home, we bring you an hour of stories about what gets lost in translation.
因此，今天，在这个国内外都存在误解的时代，我们为您带来一个小时的故事，讲述翻译中迷失的内容。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life , distributed by Public Radio International.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Our program today in three culture-bridging acts.
我们今天的节目包括三项文化桥接活动。
Act One, The Chasm Between Comedy and Music.
第一幕，喜剧与音乐之间的鸿沟。
In that act, two brave people step into that chasm.
在那一幕中，两个勇敢的人踏入了那个鸿沟。
Drop into that chasm.
掉进那个深渊。
However you put it.
不管你怎么说。
Act Two, Star of Bethlehem.
第二幕，伯利恒之星。
We bring you the story of the most important, most respected newsman on television in the town of Bethlehem, who does a program that is unlike any news show that you have ever seen.
我们为您带来伯利恒镇最重要、最受尊敬的电视新闻记者的故事，他制作的节目与您见过的任何新闻节目都不同。
Act Three.
第三幕。
Translating For the Very, Very, Very, Very, Very Tall.
翻译为非常，非常，非常，非常，非常高。
In which we have, for a change, on our program a story that gets us close to someone so famous that you may have actually heard of him if you follow pro basketball in the tiniest way.
作为改变，我们在节目中加入了一个故事，让我们接近一个非常有名的人，如果你以最微小的方式关注职业篮球，你可能真的听说过他。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One.
第一幕。
The Chasm Between Comedy and Music.
喜剧和音乐之间的鸿沟。
Well, we start today's program about translation with a story about karaoke.
好，我们以一个关于卡拉OK的故事开始今天的翻译节目。
In karaoke, after all, you are the interpreter.
毕竟，在卡拉 OK 中，你就是翻译。
You are the translator.
你是翻译者。
You stand there with the words of the song appearing on a little TV monitor and you try to render a life-size performance-- a translation of the original hit, if you will-- rendered in the musical language of you.
你站在那里，歌曲的歌词出现在一个小电视显示器上，你尝试用你的音乐语言呈现一场真人大小的表演——如果你愿意的话，是对原始热门歌曲的翻译。
And in a way, it's surprising that the only karaoke we have is for music.
在某种程度上，令人惊讶的是我们唯一的卡拉 OK 就是音乐。
Why not karaoke of the "I Have a Dream" speech, or the "You talking to me?" from Taxi Driver.
为什么不卡拉 OK 演讲“我有一个梦想”或“你在跟我说话？”来自出租车司机。
Recently Jonathan Goldstein and Starlee Kine, you hear them both on our program from time to time, heard about a karaoke bar which not only had songs, but comedy routines that you could perform onstage.
最近，乔纳森·戈德斯坦（Jonathan Goldstein）和斯塔莉·凯恩（Starlee Kine），你不时在我们的节目中听到他们，听说一家卡拉 OK 酒吧不仅有歌曲，还有可以在舞台上表演的喜剧节目。
They decided to find out for themselves how stand up comedy translates to the karaoke stage.
他们决定亲自了解单口喜剧如何转化为卡拉 OK 舞台。
Starlee and I talk quite a bit about chops.
斯塔莉和我谈论了很多关于排骨的事情。
Comedic chops.
喜剧片。
Pacing, placement of the zinger.
节奏、铃声的放置。
When to employ whimsy and when to employ wit.
何时运用奇思妙想，何时运用智慧。
Chops.
排骨。
Back when we worked in adjoining cubicles, we'd kill time by arguing over what was funny and what wasn't.
当我们在相邻的小隔间工作时，我们会通过争论什么有趣、什么不好来消磨时间。
Blowing cigar smoke in a baby's face?
向婴儿脸上吹雪茄烟雾？
Not funny.
不好笑。
A baby smoking a cigar?
婴儿抽雪茄？
Funny.
有趣的。
We were like Borscht Belt comedians without the borscht, the belt, or the audience.
我们就像没有罗宋汤、腰带或观众的罗宋汤腰带喜剧演员。
But the fact that we weren't knocking them dead at Grossinger's every night didn't keep us from coming up with titles for our showbiz bios.
但事实上，我们并没有每晚都在格罗辛格酒吧把他们打得落花流水，但这并没有阻止我们为我们的演艺界简历想出一些标题。
Starlee's book was going to be called The Woman Behind the Chops, while I intended to call mine Sir Chops-a-Lot.
斯塔利的书将被称为《排骨背后的女人》，而我打算将我的书称为《排骨先生》。
Why, just the other day, I was giving young Starlee a quiz.
就在前几天，我正在给小斯塔莉做一个测验。
What's the most important thing in comedy?
喜剧中最重要的是什么？
I asked her.
我问她。
I have to say-- Jonathan Goldstein Timing.
我不得不说——乔纳森·戈德斯坦·计时。
Chops.
排骨。
So finally, Starlee and I, after years of talking about comedy, actually decided to go out and create comedy.
所以最后，斯塔莉和我，在谈论喜剧多年之后，实际上决定出去创作喜剧。
We were going to take it to the stage and tell jokes for an audience at this karaoke bar.
我们打算把它带到舞台上，为这家卡拉 OK 酒吧的观众讲笑话。
We were going to exchange the tweed vestments of the armchair humorologist for the rainbow-striped suspenders of the practitioner.
我们打算把扶手椅幽默学家的粗花呢法衣换成从业者的彩虹条纹吊带。
We wanted to see if we had what it took.
我们想看看我们是否具备所需条件。
The karaoke bar is called The Hidden Cove, and it had catalogs of different comedy routines, all from the late '80s, early '90s.
这家卡拉 OK 酒吧名为 The Hidden Cove，里面有各种不同的喜剧节目，全部来自 80 年代末、90 年代初。
Starlee had already looked through them.
斯塔莉已经把它们看完了。
She decided she was going to do a man-bashing routine called "Men are Perfect-- Jerks." We talked about the proper delivery.
她决定要进行一场名为“男人是完美的——混蛋”的打击男人的表演。我们讨论了正确的交付。
Too deadpan.
太面无表情了
Like, imagine yourself walking away from the mike and then coming back to the mike, turning your head and saying into the microphone, "Jerks!"
就像，想象一下你自己离开麦克风，然后回到麦克风，转过头对着麦克风说：“混蛋！”
OK.
好的。
Men are perfect-- jerks!
男人都是完美的——混蛋！
Jonathan Goldstein That's not bad.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 这还不错。
I'd give it maybe a little bit more pause.
我可能会再暂停一下。
The difference in our comedic approach is vast, as is our approach to life.
我们的喜剧方式差异巨大，我们的生活方式也是如此。
At the office where Starlee and I used to work together, people whose names she didn't even know would seek her out, bringing her homemade bread, presenting her with souvenirs from their vacations, and even setting aside her favorite caramel taffies from the communal office candy dish.
在斯塔莉和我曾经一起工作的办公室里，那些她甚至不知道名字的人会来找她，给她带来自制的面包，送给她假期的纪念品，甚至从公共办公室的糖果盘里拿出她最喜欢的焦糖太妃糖。
I, on the other hand, had made the effort to learn the names of their children, grandchildren, and in one case, their pet hamster, Mr. Jinglepot.
另一方面，我努力记住了他们的孩子、孙子的名字，其中一次，还记住了他们的宠物仓鼠“叮当波特”先生的名字。
For all of this, I got nothing.
对于这一切，我一无所获。
Starlee had concerns about the caliber of the jokes on the karaoke machine at the bar, how stale they might be.
斯塔莉对酒吧卡拉 OK 机上的笑话的质量以及它们可能有多陈旧感到担忧。
I explained to her that the material, no matter how cliched or boorish, did not matter.
我向她解释说，无论内容多么陈词滥调或粗俗，都没关系。
A true humorist, I said, could stand on stage and get laughs while reading an eviction notice.
我说，一个真正的幽默家可以站在舞台上阅读驱逐通知时引人发笑。
It was all in the delivery.
这一切都在交付中。
It was all about chops.
这都是关于排骨的。
When we showed up, we learned that The Hidden Cove is a very popular and beloved karaoke bar and it was filled with patrons who came there every week to sing.
当我们到达时，我们了解到 The Hidden Cove 是一家非常受欢迎且深受喜爱的卡拉 OK 酒吧，里面挤满了每周都会来这里唱歌的顾客。
This was the first week of the Iraq war, and the regulars, just like everyone else, had wanted some diversion, a night away from the news.
这是伊拉克战争的第一周，像其他人一样，常客们也想找点消遣，远离新闻的夜晚。
They took their karaoke very seriously, too.
他们也非常认真地对待卡拉OK。
One man was hunched over a tattered notebook that he brought from home in which he had neatly penciled the code numbers of his favorite karaoke songs, row after row of them.
一名男子弯腰看着从家里带来的一本破烂笔记本，笔记本上他整齐地用铅笔一排一排地写下了他最喜欢的卡拉 OK 歌曲的代码。
As people got on the stage to sing and dance, there was a general feeling of warmth and beery encouragement in the air.
当人们登上舞台载歌载舞时，空气中弥漫着温暖和啤酒鼓励的感觉。
Everyone seemed to know everyone else.
每个人似乎都认识其他人。
And when we asked them about the comedy routines on the karaoke machine, no one could recall ever having seen them done.
当我们向他们询问卡拉 OK 机上的喜剧套路时，没有人记得曾经看过它们。
Even the owners of the bar weren't quite sure what we were talking about.
就连酒吧的老板也不太清楚我们在说什么。
We finally found a lone page of comedy karaoke material and we signed up to go on.
我们终于找到了一页喜剧卡拉 OK 材料，并报名继续。
I was after a woman singing a karaoke classic.
我在追一个唱卡拉 OK 经典歌曲的女人。
One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you!
总有一天，这些靴子会踩在你身上！
My routine was called "My Parents Hated Me." My strategy was to deadpan my way through, following each punchline with my patented hapless look.
我的例行公事被称为“我的父母讨厌我”。我的策略是面无表情地通过，用我特有的倒霉表情跟随每一个妙语。
I tell you.
我告诉你。
I had one hell of a childhood.
我有一个地狱般的童年。
I'm not saying my parents didn't love me, but my bath toys were a radio and a toaster.
我并不是说我的父母不爱我，但我的沐浴玩具是收音机和烤面包机。
Some things just don't translate to the karaoke stage.
有些东西就是无法转化为卡拉 OK 舞台。
A karaoke machine, for instance, has no instinct for comedic timing.
例如，卡拉 OK 机没有喜剧时机的本能。
It just keeps scrolling down at the same pace.
它只是以相同的速度向下滚动。
This means that sometimes you have to wait for a punchline to a joke for several awkward moments after having delivered the setup.
这意味着有时在交付设置后，您必须等待几个尴尬的时刻来等待笑话的妙语。
It was messing up my chops.
它搞乱了我的排骨。
When I got lost, a cop helped me to look for my parents.
当我迷路时，警察帮助我寻找我的父母。
"Do you think we'll ever find them?" I cried.
“你认为我们能找到他们吗？”我哭了。
The cop said, "I don't know.
警察说：“我不知道。
There are so many places they could hide."
他们有很多地方可以藏身。”
As I walked off the stage, no one in the audience would meet my gaze.
当我走下舞台时，观众席上没有人与我对视。
Still, given the circumstances, I didn't think I had done that bad.
尽管如此，考虑到当时的情况，我并不认为自己做得那么糟糕。
Next up was Starlee.
接下来是斯塔莉。
[AUDIENCE ENCOURAGEMENT] Ira Glass Starlee pulls out all these moves.
[观众鼓励] Ira Glass Starlee 完成了所有这些动作。
She shrugs her shoulders as if to say, what can you do?
她耸耸肩，仿佛在说，你能做什么？
She breaks free of the staccato rhythms of the karaoke screen and makes the material her own.
她摆脱了卡拉 OK 屏幕断断续续的节奏，将素材变成了自己的素材。
She even does this thing where she points your toes inward to make herself look littler, and thus cuter.
她甚至会这样做，把你的脚趾向内，让自己看起来更小，从而更可爱。
She was like a pigeon-toed puppy taking its very first steps.
她就像一只内八字的小狗迈出了第一步。
Where's the best place to hide money from a man?
哪里是藏钱的最佳地点？
Your forehead.
你的额头。
She was winning over the crowd and getting laughs.
她赢得了人群的支持并赢得了笑声。
My laughs.
我的笑声。
They took to her in the same way people in the office did.
他们和办公室里的人一样喜欢她。
Thank you!
谢谢你！
Jonathan Goldstein I decided to head back up on stage.
乔纳森·戈尔茨坦 我决定重新回到舞台上。
I was warmed up and the audience was a little more familiar with my work.
我感到很温暖，观众也对我的作品更加熟悉了。
Plus, I chose a better routine this time.
另外，这次我选择了更好的惯例。
Earlier I had self-deprecated myself out of laughs.
早些时候，我曾因笑而自嘲过。
Now, armed with a new selection of material from the karaoke machine, celebrity-bashing jokes from 1992.
现在，我们从卡拉 OK 机中精选了 1992 年的名人笑话。
I hear Cher named her daughter Chastity in memory of her preschool years.
我听说雪儿给她的女儿取名为贞洁，以纪念她的学前时光。
Not only were these jokes old and dated, but they were also tasteless and offensive.
这些笑话不仅陈旧过时，而且毫无品味，令人反感。
Did you hear about Roseanne Arnold's new soap opera?
您听说过罗珊娜·阿诺德的新肥皂剧吗？
Still, I soldiered on, unaware that the grandest failure of timing in the history of comedy was about to unfold.
尽管如此，我还是坚持了下来，没有意识到喜剧史上最严重的时机失败即将上演。
Before I play you this next bit of tape, I should say, in my own defense, that a karaoke screen holds a weird, hypnotic power.
在我给你播放下一段磁带之前，我应该为自己辩护说，卡拉 OK 屏幕具有一种奇怪的催眠力量。
You can't help reading whatever rolls down the screen, and you only figure out the meaning of the words you speak as they are tumbling out of your mouth.
你会情不自禁地阅读屏幕上滚动的内容，只有当它们从你嘴里滚出来时，你才能弄清楚你所说的话的含义。
And then it's too late.
然后就太晚了。
I'm going to play you the tape now.
我现在要给你播放磁带。
Please remember, it's not my fault.
请记住，这不是我的错。
Don't judge me.
别评判我。
What's the difference between Ted Kennedy and the Iraqi army?
特德·肯尼迪和伊拉克军队有什么区别？
Ted Kennedy has at least one confirmed kill.
特德·肯尼迪至少确认杀死了一人。
[INCREASED BOOING] Let me just reiterate.
[更多的嘘声]让我重申一下。
This was during the first week of the Iraq war, and things were not going as easily as America had hoped.
当时正值伊拉克战争的第一周，事情的进展并不像美国希望的那么顺利。
American soldiers were dying, and there was no end in sight.
美国士兵正在死去，而且看不到尽头。
A few days earlier or a few days later and my words would not have stung in the same way.
早几天或晚几天，我的话就不会产生同样的刺痛感。
It was not even clear what the audience was booing.
甚至不清楚观众在嘘什么。
It was like they just didn't know what else to do.
就好像他们不知道还能做什么。
Perhaps they were booing the sheer extraordinary coincidence at all.
也许他们根本就是在对这纯粹的非同寻常的巧合发出嘘声。
Here was this leftover joke from the first Gulf War being told for the first time in over a decade, and being told the very week we had gone back to war with the same country.
这是十多年来第一次被讲述的第一次海湾战争遗留下来的笑话，就在我们与同一个国家重新开战的那一周被告知。
It was like I just delivered a punchline after a ten year pause.
这就像我在十年的停顿后刚刚说出了一句妙语。
Stupidly, I still somehow believed I could redeem myself.
愚蠢的是，我仍然相信我可以救赎自己。
Instead, what rolled down the screen next was the second most tasteless joke from 1992.
相反，接下来滚下屏幕的是 1992 年第二个最无味的笑话。
What's Mike Tyson's definition of foreplay?
迈克·泰森对前戏的定义是什么？
Jesus, that's--
天啊，那是——
[BOOING] At this point, the owner actually turned off my mike.
[嘘]此时，店主实际上关掉了我的麦克风。
Thank you!
谢谢你！
I've always held the greatest gift an entertainer can receive to be laughter that turns into applause.
我一直认为艺人能收到的最伟大的礼物就是笑声转化为掌声。
You know, that moment where a wave of laughter climaxes and breaks apart into the kind of appreciative clapping that says to a performer, we can no longer laugh because our sides are hurting with the pain that is too great, so now we will switch to clapping.
你知道，那一刻，一阵笑声达到高潮，然后分解成一种欣赏性的鼓掌，这对表演者来说，我们不能再笑了，因为我们的身体两侧疼痛得太厉害了，所以现在我们要转而鼓掌。
God bless you, funny wise man.
上帝保佑你，有趣的智者。
Now, instead of laughter turning into applause, I was experiencing boos turning into applause as I slunk off the stage.
现在，当我偷偷走下舞台时，我不再是笑声变成了掌声，而是嘘声变成了掌声。
There wasn't an aspect of that applause that was sort of-- that they were kind of with me, that they were sort of, hey, you're all right?
掌声中没有任何一个方面是——他们是对我有好感，他们是在说，嘿，你还好吗？
Like we both just went through a bad situation--
就像我们都刚刚经历了糟糕的情况一样——
Are you kidding?
你在开玩笑吗？
Jonathan Goldstein A little.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 有一点。
I mean, because a little, I have to admit that a little bit, I kind of felt like there was sort of sympathetic applause.
我的意思是，因为我不得不承认，我感觉有一点同情的掌声。
A little bit.
一点点。
Oh, you're crazy.
哦，你疯了。
You're so crazy.
你太疯狂了。
I can't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
You're in total denial.
你完全否认。
No, I mean, I just wanted to run that by you.
不，我的意思是，我只是想由你来运行它。
Because I thought maybe that was possible.
因为我认为也许这是可能的。
So I think what this whole experience has taught us is that certain things just don't translate.
所以我认为这整个经历告诉我们的是，有些事情是无法翻译的。
Really?
真的吗？
Jonathan Goldstein Yeah.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 是的。
I mean, karaoke is best served for music.
我的意思是，卡拉 OK 最适合音乐。
I think that's the lesson that we've both learned from this experience.
我认为这是我们从这次经历中学到的教训。
That it's better to stick to, you know, songs and music, like "These Boots are Made for Walking," and leave comedy off the karaoke stage.
你知道，最好坚持听歌曲和音乐，比如“这些靴子是为行走而设计的”，而不要在卡拉 OK 舞台上表演喜剧。
Oh, do you?
哦，你呢？
Starlee Kine Comedy translated just fine when I went up.
当我上去时，斯塔莉电影喜剧翻译得很好。
Since karaoke night, I was so pumped up from my success--
自从卡拉 OK 之夜以来，我为自己的成功而兴奋不已——
Oh really?
哦，真的吗？
Starlee Kine Yeah.
斯塔莉·凯恩 是的。
That I thought up some new titles for my book.
我为我的书想了一些新书名。
Do you want to hear them?
你想听听他们的声音吗？
Uh, sure.
呃，当然。
Starlee Kine OK.
斯塔莉·凯恩 好的。
My Chops, My Life.
我的排骨，我的生活。
Chopzilla, The Chop That Was Heard Around the World, Queen Choptifa--
Chopzilla，世界各地都能听到的 Chop，Choptifa 女王——
I'm funnier than Jonathan.
我比乔纳森更有趣。
Jonathan Goldstein That's nice.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 那很好。
The Kid Stays In the Chop, A Chip Off the Old Chopping Block, Li'l Chop, It's Lonely Near the Chop, They Call Me Choppy--
孩子留在切菜里，从旧切菜板上切下一块，小切菜，切菜附近很孤独，他们叫我切菜——
Jonathan Goldstein with Starlee Kine.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦和斯塔莉·凯恩。
Or is that the other way around?
或者情况恰恰相反？
Act Two.
第二幕。
Star of Bethlehem.
伯利恒之星。
OK, now these possibly helpful geopolitical facts.
好的，现在这些可能有用的地缘政治事实。
Most Palestinians don't speak Hebrew.
大多数巴勒斯坦人不会说希伯来语。
Most Israelis don't speak Arabic.
大多数以色列人不会说阿拉伯语。
Where Palestinians live, in a place like Bethlehem on the West Bank, Israeli newspapers aren't even for sale.
在巴勒斯坦人居住的地方，比如约旦河西岸的伯利恒，以色列报纸甚至不出售。
Checkpoints block the passage of civilians from one side to another.
检查站阻止平民从一侧到另一侧的通道。
All of this to say, each side has very little daily knowledge what the other side is thinking and talking about.
综上所述，双方对对方正在思考和谈论的日常知识知之甚少。
But for the last three and a half years, since the beginning of the current intifada, a Palestinian journalist in Bethlehem had a nightly news program on Bethlehem TV where he translates the Israeli nightly news broadcasts into Arabic, live, in real time.
但在过去的三年半里，自从当前的起义开始以来，伯利恒的一名巴勒斯坦记者在伯利恒电视台开设了一个夜间新闻节目，他将以色列的夜间新闻广播实时翻译成阿拉伯语。
He also translates and summarizes articles from the Israeli newspapers and internet sites.
他还翻译和总结了以色列报纸和互联网网站上的文章。
The show is popular in Bethlehem, but it is very complicated speaking your enemy's language.
该节目在伯利恒很受欢迎，但说敌人的语言非常复杂。
Nancy Updike tells the story.
南希·厄普代克讲述了这个故事。
Because he's translating, Nasser Laham is reporting things that have never been reported in the territories before.
因为纳赛尔·拉哈姆在进行翻译，所以他正在报道这些地区以前从未报道过的事情。
Things that in the normal course of events are not even talked about in public.
在正常情况下，甚至不会在公开场合谈论的事情。
When Yasser Arafat slapped the former head of security for the West Bank, stuck a gun in his face, and said, "I'm going to kill you," Nasser's translation of an Israeli TV report was the only Arabic language broadcast to mention the incident.
当亚西尔·阿拉法特扇了约旦河西岸前安全负责人一巴掌，用枪指着他的脸说：“我要杀了你”时，纳赛尔翻译的以色列电视报道是唯一提及这一事件的阿拉伯语广播。
When an Israeli newspaper published an expose about corruption in the top leadership in Bethlehem, Nasser was the only one who picked the story up, and he broadcast his translation in spite of a flurry of increasingly threatening phone calls from the leaders involved.
当一家以色列报纸刊登了一篇关于伯利恒最高领导层腐败的报道时，纳赛尔是唯一一个报道这个故事的人，尽管相关领导人打来的威胁性电话越来越多，但他还是广播了他的翻译。
Soon after, they were all ousted.
不久之后，他们都被驱逐了。
And even though the story came from a newspaper in Jerusalem, which is only 15 minutes away from Bethlehem, most likely, no one would have heard about it if Nasser hadn't told the story.
尽管这个故事来自距离伯利恒只有15分钟路程的耶路撒冷的一家报纸，但如果纳赛尔没有讲述这个故事，很可能没有人会听说这个故事。
There is no comparing between the Palestinian newspapers and the Israeli newspapers.
巴勒斯坦报纸和以色列报纸之间没有可比性。
Because our newspapers are, I mean, very bad.
我的意思是，因为我们的报纸非常糟糕。
It's hard.
这很难。
It's hard to take the truth from your enemies, on the Israeli side.
很难从以色列方面的敌人那里得知真相。
Not from the Palestinian leadership.
不是来自巴勒斯坦领导层。
All Palestinian media-- newspapers, radio, television, except for private television stations like Bethlehem TV-- are tightly controlled by the Palestinian Authority.
所有巴勒斯坦媒体——报纸、广播、电视，除了伯利恒电视台等私人电视台——都受到巴勒斯坦权力机构的严格控制。
Take the way the Palestinian papers covered the recent power struggle between Arafat and the new prime minister, known as Abu Mazen, whose appointment was supposed to be the first step toward a new peace process.
以巴勒斯坦报纸报道阿拉法特和新总理阿布·马赞（Abu Mazen）最近的权力斗争为例，他的任命被认为是迈向新和平进程的第一步。
In the period of Abu Mazen government, they didn't include anything about Abu Mazen.
在阿布·马赞政府时期，他们没有收录任何有关阿布·马赞的内容。
They start to search for Saddam Hussein and the SARS.
他们开始寻找萨达姆·侯赛因和非典。
So they were writing about the SARS virus rather than Abu Mazen?
那么他们写的是 SARS 病毒而不是 Abu Mazen？
Of course, yeah.
当然，是的。
Nancy Updike Why weren't they writing about Abu Mazen?
南希·厄普代克 他们为什么不写阿布·马赞？
You know.
你知道。
You know, Nancy.
你知道，南希。
I keep the newspapers in my house for the history.
我把报纸放在家里作为历史。
To say it in 20, 21, 22 [UNINTELLIGIBLE] when all the newspapers in the world, they talk about Abu Mazen, the Palestinian newspaper, they didn't do that.
20、21、22 日[难以理解]当世界上所有的报纸都在谈论巴勒斯坦报纸 Abu Mazen 时，他们并没有这样做。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Nancy Updike Whenever there's a suicide bombing of any size in Israel, Israeli TV goes into nonstop crisis coverage, and Bethlehem TV carries this live, with Nasser translating for hours.
[阿拉伯语] 南希·厄普代克 (Nancy Updike) 每当以色列发生任何规模的自杀式爆炸事件时，以色列电视台都会不间断地进行危机报道，伯利恒电视台 (Bethlehem TV) 会进行现场直播，纳赛尔 (Nasser) 会进行几个小时的翻译。
You see emergency workers running stretchers with burned and bloody people to ambulances.
你会看到急救人员用担架把烧伤、血迹斑斑的人抬上救护车。
I watched with a translator of my own.
我是和自己的翻译一起观看的。
You'll hear Nasser's voice in Arabic, then my translator in English.
你会听到纳赛尔用阿拉伯语说话，然后是我的翻译用英语说话。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator You been at the cafeteria, yes?
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 你去过自助餐厅，是吗？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator We were sitting.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 我们坐着。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator I heard explosion.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 我听到爆炸声。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator And she's talking while she's shivering.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 她一边颤抖一边说话。
Nasser interjects these kind of details when he's translating-- she's shivering as she's talking-- because he wants his viewers to know exactly what's happening.
纳赛尔在翻译时插入了这些细节——她说话时浑身发抖——因为他希望观众确切地知道发生了什么。
They can't hear her voice shaking, so he tells them.
他们听不到她的声音在颤抖，所以他告诉了他们。
If the Israeli knows what's happening in the Palestinian lands with details, and the Palestinian knows what's happening in the Israeli cities with details, trust me.
如果以色列人详细了解巴勒斯坦土地上正在发生的事情，而巴勒斯坦人也详细了解以色列城市中正在发生的事情，请相信我。
The decisions would be different.
决定会有所不同。
Do you think that watching the coverage of a suicide bombing, do you think it makes Palestinians watching it more sympathetic to Israelis?
你认为观看自杀式爆炸事件的报道会让巴勒斯坦人更加同情以色列人吗？
No. I think that the question is wrong.
不，我认为这个问题是错误的。
Your question is wrong.
你的问题是错误的。
Why?
为什么？
Because they saw before.
因为他们以前见过。
Big chance they saw.
他们看到了很大的机会。
Anyone can open the Israeli television and saw the pictures.
任何人都可以打开以色列电视并看到这些图片。
But they didn't understand what they are talking in the television with the Hebrew.
但他们不明白电视里用希伯来语说的是什么。
This is my work.
这是我的工作。
To translate emotions, facts, numbers.
翻译情感、事实、数字。
In fact, plenty of the details Nasser translates have got to stir outrage rather than sympathy.
事实上，纳赛尔翻译的许多细节激起了愤怒而不是同情。
Nasser's producer told me that one of the reasons Bethlehem TV decided it was important to follow Israel's continuous coverage after a suicide attack is that Israelis speak then without filters.
纳赛尔的制片人告诉我，伯利恒电视台认为跟踪以色列在自杀式袭击后的持续报道很重要，原因之一是以色列人当时说话没有经过过滤。
Politicians openly called for what's known as "transfer"-- the removal of all Palestinians from the territories.
政客们公开呼吁所谓的“转移”——将所有巴勒斯坦人从这些领土上驱逐出去。
Ordinary Israelis call for revenge, say the peace process is hopeless because Palestinians are all terrorists.
以色列普通民众呼吁复仇，称和平进程毫无希望，因为巴勒斯坦人都是恐怖分子。
Nasser translates it all without hedging.
纳赛尔毫无保留地翻译了这一切。
Palestinians never use the words "terrorist" or "suicide bomber." They say "shahid"-- "martyr." But when Israel TV says terrorist, Nasser does too.
巴勒斯坦人从不使用“恐怖分子”或“自杀式炸弹袭击者”等词。他们说“沙希德”——“烈士”。但当以色列电视台说恐怖分子时，纳赛尔也这么做了。
I'd wanted to meet Nasser ever since I saw this book he published about Arafat, which is so strange and provocative that it's not in any Palestinian political category so much as orbiting all of them.
自从我看到纳赛尔出版的关于阿拉法特的书以来，我就想见见他，这本书是如此奇怪和具有挑衅性，以至于它不属于任何巴勒斯坦政治类别，而是围绕着所有这些类别。
The cover of the book is red with a picture of Arafat smiling, and the title is The Truth, the Whole Truth About Yasir Arafat, The Man Who's Led Fatah and the PLO for 37 Years.
这本书的封面是红色的，上面有阿拉法特微笑的照片，书名是《真相，关于亚西尔·阿拉法特、领导法塔赫和巴解组织37年的人的全部真相》。
On the back it says, "In this book, I put between the hands of the reader what has never been said before about the man who led one of the greatest and longest liberation movements in the world.
背面写着：“在这本书中，我向读者介绍了关于这位领导世界上最伟大、最长的解放运动之一的人的前所未闻的内容。
With all modesty, I present the reader with information in opposition to what Palestinian, Arabic, Islamic, Western, and Israeli research and study have determined about this man.
我非常谦虚地向读者提供与巴勒斯坦、阿拉伯、伊斯兰、西方和以色列的研究和研究对这个人的认定相反的信息。
When you open the book, it's empty.
当你打开书时，里面是空的。
All the pages are blank, except the very first page, where Nasser invites the readers to fill the book with their own opinions.
除第一页外，所有页面都是空白的，纳赛尔邀请读者在书中填写自己的观点。
"I'm confident that you'll have something to write," he says "because every person views President Arafat as he wishes."
“我相信你会有东西可写，”他说，“因为每个人都按照自己的意愿看待阿拉法特总统。”
Half the Palestinians I show the book to get really angry.
我给一半的巴勒斯坦人看了这本书，他们感到非常愤怒。
The other half burst out laughing, at least in part due to shock.
另一半突然大笑起来，至少部分是因为震惊。
You just don't see this kind of joke-- an absurdist prank-- in the Territories, where the situation is so dire, where everyone feels like the entire world is against them and their leader.
你只是在领土上看不到这种笑话——荒唐的恶作剧，那里的局势如此严峻，每个人都觉得整个世界都在反对他们和他们的领导人。
In general, Nasser's sense of humor is pretty dark.
总的来说，纳赛尔的幽默感相当黑暗。
One time, he was telling me how much the Arab world hates Israel's Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon He offered this prescription for fighting al-Qaeda and achieving world peace.
有一次，他告诉我阿拉伯世界有多么恨以色列总理阿里尔·沙龙，他提出了打击基地组织和实现世界和平的处方。
If Sharon supported al-Qaeda or Osama bin Laden, maybe all the Middle East will be against al-Qaeda.
如果沙龙支持基地组织或奥萨马·本·拉登，也许整个中东都会反对基地组织。
It's a good idea.
这是个好主意。
Try that.
尝试一下。
Nasser drives to work in the morning in his beat up '84 Opel hatchback, a car so crappy it's like a giant neon sign saying, I am not on the take.
纳赛尔早上开车去上班，开着他那辆破旧的 84 年欧宝掀背车，这辆车太破烂了，就像一个巨大的霓虹灯招牌上写着：“我不接受任务”。
He turns on the TV and Israeli army radio and starts looking at the breaking news in Israel over the internet.
他打开电视和以色列军队广播，开始通过互联网查看以色列的突发新闻。
He lights a cigarette.
他点了一支烟。
He smokes all the time and in this way that makes you feel like everyone else who smokes is just messing around.
他总是抽烟，这样会让你觉得其他抽烟的人只是在胡闹。
With every drag, he takes all the smoke in in a big gulp.
每吸一口，他就把所有的烟都吸进去。
He smokes each one down into the filter is about to melt.
他把每一根烟都吸进过滤嘴里，快要融化了。
I've never seen him eat.
我从来没见过他吃东西。
Nasser taught himself Hebrew in prison from an Arabic Hebrew dictionary he asked his parents to send him.
纳赛尔在监狱里用父母送给他的一本阿拉伯希伯来语词典自学了希伯来语。
I should mention that so many Palestinian men have been to prison that it's almost a given, especially men around Nasser's age, 36, who were young activists at university during the first intifada.
我应该提到，有如此多的巴勒斯坦男子入狱，这几乎是理所当然的，特别是与纳赛尔年龄相仿的男子，36岁，他们在第一次起义期间是大学里的年轻活动家。
As soon as he learned Hebrew, he started teaching other prisoners.
他一学会希伯来语，就开始教其他囚犯。
He's taught it ever since-- to friends, relatives, students, businessmen.
从那时起，他就向朋友、亲戚、学生、商人传授这门课。
It's sort of a compulsion.
这有点像强迫症。
His crusade to teach and translate Hebrew raises a question.
他教授和翻译希伯来语的努力提出了一个问题。
What good is it, in a violent conflict that's been going on for decades, to speak your enemy's language?
在一场持续了数十年的暴力冲突中，说敌人的语言有什么好处呢？
What can it change?
它能改变什么？
Nasser reads and enjoys Israeli novels.
纳赛尔阅读并喜欢以色列小说。
He listens to Israeli pop, has Israeli friends, mostly journalists.
他听以色列流行音乐，有以色列朋友，其中大部分是记者。
He's an idealist.
他是一个理想主义者。
He believes that learning the language of the other side can be the first step toward understanding them, toward peace.
他相信学习对方的语言是理解他们、走向和平的第一步。
A 28 year old named Mohammed with a big, sad face, a guy Nasser taught Hebrew to, tells me this story about being in an Israeli hospital, in a room full of Israeli kids, when he was 16.
一名 28 岁的穆罕默德，长着一张悲伤的大脸，纳赛尔曾向他教希伯来语，他向我讲述了这个故事，当时他 16 岁，在一家以色列医院里，房间里挤满了以色列孩子。
Mohammed asked the kid in the bed next to him, in Hebrew, "So what are you in for?" "Car accident," the kid said.
穆罕默德用希伯来语问旁边床上的孩子：“那你要做什么？” “车祸。”孩子说。
"And you?" Mohammed said, "I was shot in the leg by an Israeli soldier."
“那你呢？”穆罕默德说：“我的腿被一名以色列士兵开枪射中。”
They asked me, why they shot you?
他们问我，为什么开枪打你？
Are you one of the terrorists?
你是恐怖分子之一吗？
Are you Hamas?
你是哈马斯吗？
Are you jihad?
你是圣战者吗？
And I said, no. I'm not Hamas.
我说，不。我不是哈马斯。
I'm not jihad.
我不是圣战者。
I'm a student.
我是一名学生。
I go to my school.
我去我的学校。
It wasn't a war.
这不是一场战争。
It was nothing.
没什么。
I mean, six in the morning.
我的意思是，早上六点。
There was no clashing.
没有发生冲突。
No throwing stone.
没有扔石头。
Nothing, nothing.
没什么，没什么。
And he was, yeah, I feel, like, sorry.
是的，我觉得他很抱歉。
We are sorry.
我们很抱歉。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
They said.
他们说。
I told him that you don't have to say sorry because you are not the one who shot me.
我告诉他你不必说对不起，因为你不是开枪打死我的人。
And he was just, [INAUDIBLE].
他只是，[听不清]。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE].
[无法理解]。
His mother, because she can every day to come to the hospital.
他的妈妈，因为她可以每天都来医院。
My mother, she can't, because there's a checkpoint.
我妈妈，她不能，因为有一个检查站。
But his a mother, she can come every day.
但他的母亲，她每天都可以来。
And she was bringing food to me, also.
她还给我送食物。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE], food, shaving machine.
[无法理解]、食物、剃须机。
She brought you a razor?
她给你带来了剃须刀？
Mohammed Yeah.
穆罕默德 是的。
She give me her phone number.
她给了我她的电话号码。
If you need anything, just call.
如果您需要任何东西，请致电。
We are here.
我们在这里。
They asked me a lot of times to come to visit.
他们多次邀请我过来参观。
And I hope, when I can.
我希望，当我可以的时候。
Not everyone Nasser taught Hebrew to is so hopeful about it.
并不是每个纳赛尔教授希伯来语的人都对此充满希望。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Nancy Updike Nasser taught this guy in prison.
[说阿拉伯语]南希·厄普代克·纳赛尔在监狱里教了这个人。
He says speaking Hebrew helps if you want to have a personal conversation with an Israeli, gets to know their life.
他说，如果你想与以色列人进行私人对话，了解他们的生活，说希伯来语会很有帮助。
But when it comes to politics, knowing the language doesn't make any difference at all.
但当涉及到政治时，懂得语言根本没有任何区别。
The same walls are there, just more clearly.
那里有同样的墙壁，只是更清晰。
Still, if your only two choices or violence or talking, Nasser chooses talking.
不过，如果你只有两个选择：暴力或谈话，纳赛尔会选择谈话。
He and Mohammed are part of a group of people who do training for community leaders in nonviolence and what they call "compassionate listening--" how to listen to someone you really, really disagree with.
他和穆罕默德是一群人的成员，他们为社区领袖提供非暴力培训，以及他们所谓的“富有同情心的倾听”——如何倾听你真正非常不同意的人的声音。
Nasser is against suicide bombings, feels that the Palestinian people have a right to resist, but that the armed resistance is not working at all.
纳赛尔反对自杀式爆炸，认为巴勒斯坦人民有权抵抗，但武装抵抗根本不起作用。
Given all this, given his politics, I was surprised by some of the things I saw on Bethlehem TV.
考虑到这一切，考虑到他的政治观点，我对在伯利恒电视台看到的一些事情感到惊讶。
One day there were hours of song celebrating martyrs to the Palestinian cause, including suicide bombers.
有一天，人们唱了几个小时的歌曲来庆祝巴勒斯坦事业的烈士，其中包括自杀式炸弹袭击者。
Another time, I saw an unforgettably baroque video celebrating Saddam Hussein.
还有一次，我看到了一段令人难忘的巴洛克式庆祝萨达姆·侯赛因的视频。
[SINGING IN ARABIC] Picture a plump man in a long, blue tunic smiling, singing, and pumping a machine gun up and down in time to the music.
[用阿拉伯语唱歌]想象一个穿着蓝色长外衣的胖男人微笑着唱歌，并随着音乐的节奏上下挥动机关枪。
Behind him, a crowd of men in uniform is moving their guns and dancing in time, also.
在他身后，一群穿着制服的男人也举着枪，随着节奏跳舞。
They're holding a large picture of Saddam Hussein in front of them.
他们面前举着萨达姆·侯赛因的大幅照片。
Then Saddam himself appears onscreen in a fedora, firing a pistol in the air and smiling.
然后萨达姆本人戴着软呢帽出现在屏幕上，微笑着向空中开枪。
Then the Iraqi army is jogging, followed by anti-aircraft guns shooting, and soldiers marching, and tanks moving against the sunset, and mosques, and more of Saddam in the fedora.
然后是伊拉克军队慢跑，接着是高射炮射击，士兵行进，坦克逆着夕阳行进，还有清真寺，还有更多戴软呢帽的萨达姆。
This was April.
这是四月。
The war in Iraq was long over.
伊拉克战争早已结束。
When I ask Nasser about it, he tells me not everything on the program reflects his own political views.
当我向纳赛尔询问此事时，他告诉我，节目中并非所有内容都反映了他自己的政治观点。
People call and request these videos all the time, so he plays them.
人们一直打电话索取这些视频，所以他就播放这些视频。
But then he also broadcasts stuff they don't request.
但随后他也会播放他们不要求的内容。
Look, Nancy.
看，南希。
Yesterday I translated all the speech about the Holocaust.
昨天我翻译了所有有关大屠杀的演讲。
And the people asking, why?
人们问，为什么？
They are our enemy.
他们是我们的敌人。
I said, we have to know also they are suffering.
我说，我们也必须知道他们正在受苦。
We have know a lot about the Holocaust.
我们对大屠杀了解很多。
They're surprised, but I know that they trust me, because I was in the Israeli prison six years, because I am living in the [SPEAKING ARABIC] camp, refugee camp, because I am a Muslim, because I am poor, not rich-- they trust me.
他们很惊讶，但我知道他们信任我，因为我在以色列监狱里呆了六年，因为我住在[阿拉伯语]难民营，因为我是穆斯林，因为我很穷，而不是富有——他们信任我。
They said, OK.
他们说，好吧。
If you say that, we will know a lot about the Holocaust.
如果你这么说，我们就会对大屠杀了解很多。
By the time he was done, Nasser translated several days of Israel's annual commemoration of the Holocaust.
当他完成时，纳赛尔翻译了几天以色列一年一度的大屠杀纪念活动的内容。
Rest assured this doesn't happen on any other Arabic language station.
请放心，任何其他阿拉伯语电台都不会发生这种情况。
I spent a day interviewing people around Bethlehem about what they think of the show.
我花了一天时间采访了伯利恒周围的人们，了解他们对这部剧的看法。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator It's excellent.
[阿拉伯语] 翻译 非常棒。
He's a good journalist.
他是一位好记者。
It's fantastic.
太棒了。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator It's very good, because they give us the opinion of the people who are in Israel.
[说阿拉伯语] 译者 这非常好，因为他们向我们提供了以色列人民的意见。
Almost everyone I talk to watches the program and loves it.
几乎与我交谈过的每个人都观看了该节目并且喜欢它。
People say they do get information there that they can't get anywhere else.
人们说他们确实在那里获得了在其他地方无法获得的信息。
One man told me that when the second intifada started, the only way you could find out which Palestinians were wanted by the Israelis and why was by watching Nasser's translation of Israeli TV.
一名男子告诉我，当第二次起义开始时，你要了解以色列人通缉哪些巴勒斯坦人以及为什么通缉的唯一方法就是观看纳赛尔翻译的以色列电视节目。
Did you ever learn something new about Israelis that you never knew before?
您是否曾了解过一些以前从未了解过的关于以色列人的新知识？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator That there are some writers or journalists that are on our side of the Palestinian problem--
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 有一些作家或记者在巴勒斯坦问题上站在我们这边——
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator --against their government.
[说阿拉伯语]翻译--反对他们的政府。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator It's good to know that there are Israelis who are with us.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 很高兴知道有以色列人和我们在一起。
I saw a very poor Israeli family in the program of Nasser.
我在纳赛尔的节目中看到了一个非常贫穷的以色列家庭。
You know, they are very bad economically.
要知道，他们的经济状况非常糟糕。
More than us.
比我们还多。
They have maybe bread to eat.
他们也许有面包吃。
This was a new thing for us.
这对我们来说是一个新事物。
Bethlehem, where the TV station is, is a dusty, broken down, depressing place.
电视台所在的伯利恒是一个尘土飞扬、破败不堪、令人沮丧的地方。
Most businesses are dead or on the ropes.
大多数企业要么已经倒闭，要么濒临破产。
No parks, no pools.
没有公园，没有游泳池。
In the summer, people often have running water only once a week, or even every two weeks.
在夏季，人们往往每周甚至每两周才有一次自来水。
Israeli army vehicles roll through practically every day, sometimes to demolish a house, and the neighbors pull chairs onto their roofs and sit watching the destruction, since most don't have jobs.
以色列军车几乎每天都驶过，有时是为了拆毁房屋，邻居们把椅子拉到屋顶上，坐着观看破坏，因为大多数人没有工作。
There are 12 Israeli settlements within 10 miles of Bethlehem, and they're growing.
距伯利恒 10 英里范围内有 12 个以色列定居点，而且数量还在不断增加。
Nasser told me that when he was at work one day, he looked up at the television and saw his own kids, his 11 year old twins, on TV, throwing stones at Israeli tanks and soldiers.
纳赛尔告诉我，有一天他在工作时，抬头看着电视，看到自己的孩子，他 11 岁的双胞胎，在电视上向以色列坦克和士兵扔石头。
He was alarmed.
他很惊慌。
Kids have been shot and killed throwing stones.
孩子们因投掷石块而被枪杀。
He talked to them about it that night.
那天晚上他就跟他们谈了这件事。
"Why are you throwing stones?" he said.
“你为什么要扔石头？”他说。
"Because they're the enemy," they told him.
“因为他们是敌人，”他们告诉他。
"Who told you that?" he asked.
“谁告诉你的？”他问道。
"The kids at school," they said.
“孩子们在学校，”他们说。
I asked him if he told them to stop throwing stones, and he said of course.
我问他是否让他们停止扔石头，他说当然。
Three, four, five times he told them.
他告诉他们三、四、五次。
And then they started lying and saying they hadn't thrown stones when he knew they had.
然后他们开始撒谎，说他们没有扔石头，而他知道他们扔了石头。
He doesn't know what to do.
他不知道该怎么办。
When he talks to friends, Israeli journalists, on the phone at home, his 11 year old daughter Beirut says, "I heard you talking Hebrew.
当他在家中与以色列记者朋友通电话时，他 11 岁的女儿贝鲁特说：“我听到你说希伯来语。
Don't talk to those people."
不要和那些人说话。”
Nasser has been trying to teach his kids Hebrew, so I interviewed the four of them.
纳赛尔一直在尝试教他的孩子们希伯来语，所以我采访了他们四个。
None of the kids see learning Hebrew as a bridge to peace the way their dad does.
没有一个孩子像他们的父亲那样将学习希伯来语视为通往和平的桥梁。
For them it's way more utilitarian.
对于他们来说，这更加功利。
It helps you talk to soldiers, they say.
他们说，它可以帮助你与士兵交谈。
Maybe it can get you out of a bad situation.
也许它可以让你摆脱困境。
What words and phrases do you know in Hebrew?
您知道哪些希伯来语单词和短语？
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Nasser's Child [SPEAKING ARABIC AND HEBREW]
[讲阿拉伯语] 纳赛尔的孩子 [讲阿拉伯语和希伯来语]
[SPEAKING HEBREW] in Hebrew, which is in Arabic [SPEAKING ARABIC], which is soldier.
希伯来语中的[SPEAKING HEBREW]，阿拉伯语中的[SPEAKING ARABIC]，是士兵。
[SPEAKING HEBREW].
[说希伯来语]。
Good morning.
早上好。
Please, which is [SPEAKING HEBREW].
请，这是[希伯来语]。
[SPEAKING HEBREW], OK.
[说希伯来语] 好的。
[SPEAKING HEBREW], come here.
[说希伯来语]，过来。
[SPEAKING HEBREW], dumb.
[说希伯来语]，愚蠢。
And the baby, [SPEAKING HEBREW].
还有婴儿，[说希伯来语]。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Nancy Updike Beirut's twin brother Marcel, a tiny boy with a large retainer in his mouth, jumps in.
[阿拉伯语]南希·厄普代克·贝鲁特的双胞胎兄弟马塞尔跳了进来，他是一个嘴里叼着一个大保持器的小男孩。
[SPEAKING ARABIC] Translator The soldiers are saying this to the kids, and the kids are saying this to the soldiers.
[说阿拉伯语] 翻译 士兵们对孩子们说这些，孩子们对士兵们说这些。
When I talked to your kids yesterday, they definitely said that the reason that they wanted to know Hebrew was to know the language of the enemy, and--
当我昨天和你们的孩子们交谈时，他们明确表示他们想了解希伯来语的原因是为了了解敌人的语言，而且——
Yeah, that's right.
是的，没错。
Nancy Updike Does it worry you that your kids aren't getting to meet Israelis at all, and that for them, it is the language of enemy?
南希·厄普代克：您是否担心您的孩子根本无法见到以色列人，而且对他们来说，这是敌人的语言？
Of course I am worried.
我当然担心。
I'm very worried.
我很担心。
I'm worried also because they are throwing stones against the Israeli tanks.
我也很担心，因为他们向以色列坦克扔石头。
I'm worried I don't want them to do that.
我担心我不希望他们这样做。
You can imagine.
你可以想象。
You are sitting in your office writing and worry about them.
你坐在办公室里写作并担心它们。
What if the soldiers shooted them?
如果士兵开枪射击他们怎么办？
What can I say?
我能说什么？
What can I do?
我能做什么？
How can I live?
我该如何生活？
What can I say to the others if one of them has been killed?
如果其中一人被杀，我能对其他人说什么？
They're not just the tanks, the soldiers who are shooting.
他们不仅仅是坦克，还有射击的士兵。
Why they are not in the same schools?
为什么他们不在同一所学校？
Why?
为什么？
Why they are not in the same pool to swim?
为什么他们不在同一个泳池里游泳？
My kids don't know the Israeli people.
我的孩子不了解以色列人民。
They don't know the kids in Israel.
他们不认识以色列的孩子。
Someone stop that.
有人阻止它。
He takes a drag of his cigarette and smiles.
他吸了一口烟，微笑起来。
Maybe you can.
也许你可以。
Try.
尝试一下。
Nancy Updike Nasser speaks Hebrew and he's teaching his kids, but actual Israelis are a world away, and he can't convince his own children, a genuine captive audience, not to hate them.
南希·厄普代克·纳赛尔说希伯来语，他正在教他的孩子们，但真正的以色列人在另一个世界之外，他无法说服自己的孩子，真正的被俘虏的观众，不恨他们。
Nancy Updike in Jerusalem.
南希·厄普代克在耶路撒冷。
Coming up.
即将到来。
Start a show in a karaoke bar, end a show in a karaoke bar.
在卡拉 OK 酒吧开始演出，在卡拉 OK 酒吧结束演出。
No matter how little it has to do with the last story and the last act, can we do it?
不管最后一个故事、最后一幕的关系有多大，我们能做到吗？
Dare we do it?
我们敢做吗？
Answer is in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public International when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，芝加哥公共广播电台和公共国际将在一分钟内给出答复。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose some theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，为您带来关于该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Lost in Translation.
今天的节目是《迷失翻译》。
We've arrived at Act Three of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three.
第三幕。
Translating For the Very, Very, Very, Very, Very, Very Tall.
翻译为非常，非常，非常，非常，非常，非常高。
Well friends, we've heard about the struggles between Palestinians and Israelis, between Russians and Americans.
朋友们，我们听说过巴勒斯坦人和以色列人之间、俄罗斯人和美国人之间的斗争。
In this act, we ask the age old question, can there ever be peace between the tall and the short?
在这一幕中，我们提出了一个古老的问题：高个子和矮个子之间能否和平相处？
Can people of different heights ever hope to get along?
不同身高的人能和平相处吗？
Jesse Hardman tackled the issue.
杰西·哈德曼解决了这个问题。
My earliest memory of my cousin Colin is fighting with him over a Fernando Valenzuela baseball card.
我对表弟科林最早的记忆是为了一张费尔南多·巴伦苏埃拉的棒球卡而与他发生争执。
We were both seven years old, both way into sports and pretty competitive.
我们当时都七岁了，都热爱体育运动，而且很有竞争力。
Mainly we'd play basketball.
我们主要是打篮球。
If you ask me, I'm a little bit better than he is.
如果你问我，我比他好一点点。
Don't ask him.
别问他。
After graduating from college, Colin headed straight to Taiwan and stayed there for almost three years, just knocking around, trying to figure out what he wanted to do with this life.
大学毕业后，Colin 直接前往台湾，在那里待了近三年，四处漂泊，试图弄清楚自己这一生想做什么。
He took classes, worked a few jobs.
他上课，打过几份工作。
He also played a lot of basketball with locals at nearby gyms.
他还在附近的体育馆与当地人一起打了很多篮球。
This left him with a very specialized, but seemingly a marketable vocabulary.
这给他留下了非常专业但似乎有市场的词汇。
Slam dunk?
灌篮？
Colin Pine [SPEAKING CHINESE]
科林·派恩 [中文]
[UNINTELLIGIBLE].
[无法理解]。
Colin Pine [SPEAKING CHINESE]
科林·派恩 [中文]
Weak side defense?
边路防守薄弱？
Colin Pine In Chinese, I just say the side without the ball.
Colin Pine 在中文里，我只说无球一方。
When I caught up with Colin two summers ago, he was working for the US government in a dead end job, translating Chinese documents.
两年前的夏天，当我见到科林时，他正在为美国政府工作，翻译中国文件，这是一份没有出路的工作。
He was determined to start being practical.
他决心开始务实。
The words "law school" forced their way out of his mouth.
“法学院”这个词从他嘴里硬生生地挤出来。
You could tell he was hitting the career default button.
你可以看出他正在按下职业默认按钮。
Then an old friend stepped in.
这时，一位老朋友走了进来。
And she had this piece of paper with a job description.
她有这张带有工作描述的纸。
"NBA player seeks full-time interpreter.
“NBA 球员寻求全职翻译。
Looking for a native English speaker, fluent in mandarin Chinese, interested in basketball." It was like, yeah, right.
寻找一个以英语为母语、普通话流利、对篮球感兴趣的人。”当时的感觉是，是的，没错。
Two weeks later, my cousin had made the jump from owning baseball cards to working for one.
两周后，我的表弟从拥有棒球卡一跃成为为棒球卡工作的人。
Sort of.
有点像。
Now, FOX 26 Sports with Keith [?
现在，FOX 26 Sports 与 Keith [？
Guggans.
古根斯。
?]
？]
Hi again.
又嗨了。
Yao Ming in Houston for what, 24 hours or so?
姚明在休斯敦待什么，24 小时左右？
The hoopla includes plenty of wide eyes and lots of curiosity seekers, as if they'd never seen a 7'6" Chinese millionaire before.
喧嚣中包括很多睁大眼睛和好奇心的人，就好像他们以前从未见过一个 7 英尺 6 英寸的中国百万富翁一样。
It turns out that Colin's new job wasn't with some benchwarming experiment.
事实证明，科林的新工作并不是进行一些替补实验。
Yao Ming is the starting center for the Houston Rockets.
姚明是休斯顿火箭队的首发中锋。
And if you haven't heard of him, congratulations.
如果您还没有听说过他，那么恭喜您。
You officially know nothing about sports in America.
你对美国的体育运动一无所知。
He's the biggest story out of the NBA this year.
他是今年 NBA 最大的新闻人物。
The first foreigner ever to go number one in the NBA draft.
第一位在 NBA 选秀中获得状元的外国人。
His style of play is supposed to revolutionize the game the same way that Michael Jordan's did.
他的比赛风格应该会像迈克尔乔丹那样彻底改变比赛。
Add to this, he has the hopes and dreams of a billion emerging NBA fans in Asia riding on his shoulders.
除此之外，他的肩上还担负着亚洲十亿新兴NBA球迷的希望和梦想。
And Colin met him for the first time the same day the rest of America did.
科林第一次见到他的同一天，美国其他地方也见到了他。
You know, at the airport at first, there weren't that many people, and all of a sudden, you get this whole lobby.
你知道，一开始在机场，人并不多，突然之间，整个大厅就被占据了。
It's just crowded.
只是很拥挤。
And the people are surrounding him, and you know, I had to get up and translate right away.
人们围着他，你知道，我必须立即站起来翻译。
He had to give a few brief statements to the crowd.
他必须向人群发表一些简短的讲话。
And we had never met.
而且我们从未见过面。
Speaking through interpreter Colin Pine, Ming says he's anxious to get on the court and work on his game with his new teammates.
明通过翻译科林·派恩表示，他渴望上场并与新队友一起训练比赛。
After waiting such a long time, it's like opening a door and having a breath of fresh air.
等了这么久，就像打开了一扇门，呼吸到了新鲜空气。
I think my heart was about to burst through my chest.
我想我的心快要冲破胸腔了。
And I'm up there with the lights on me, with Yao Ming sitting next to me, and then-- I've heard of instances of people who had to do translation in situations like that just choking.
我在楼上，灯光亮着，姚明坐在我旁边，然后——我听说有人在这种情况下不得不做翻译，简直要窒息了。
Just not being able to say anything.
就是说不出话来。
I'm floating above the ceiling, looking back at myself doing this.
我漂浮在天花板上方，回头看看自己正在做的事情。
Just for me to get through the first time, I was pretty happy.
就我而言，第一次就这样度过了，我已经很高兴了。
Fans, it's time to stand up, make some noise, and get ready to meet your Minnesota Timberwolves.
球迷们，是时候站起来，发出一些声音，准备好迎接你们的明尼苏达森林狼队了。
Early in the season, I catch up with Colin at a game in Minnesota.
赛季初期，我在明尼苏达州的一场比赛中见到了科林。
My first chance to see his new life from the inside.
我第一次有机会从内部看到他的新生活。
Yeah, you're right here.
是的，你就在这里。
Jesse Hardman We stand in a nondescript concrete hallway near the visiting locker room.
杰西·哈德曼 我们站在客队更衣室附近一条不起眼的混凝土走廊里。
Players are walking by, ribbing Colin and smacking him on the ass.
球员们走过，嘲笑科林，拍他的屁股。
Superstars like Glen Rice and Steve Francis, Colin's idol since college.
格伦·赖斯 (Glen Rice) 和史蒂夫·弗朗西斯 (Steve Francis) 等超级巨星是科林从大学以来的偶像。
Guys I'm used to seeing on TV.
我习惯在电视上看到的家伙。
Colin disappears into the Rockets' locker room.
科林消失在火箭更衣室里。
A few minutes later, he reappears with his new boss, Yao Ming.
几分钟后，他和新老板姚明一起出现。
Yao is 7'5".
姚明身高 7 英尺 5 英寸。
Colin's my height, 5'9" in shoes.
科林和我一样高，穿鞋身高 5 英尺 9 英寸。
Yao slouches up against the locker room wall.
姚明无精打采地靠在更衣室的墙上。
Colin leans in next to him.
科林靠在他身边。
A crush of TV cameras, microphones, and notepads descend on the pair.
大量的电视摄像机、麦克风和记事本向两人袭来。
Lots of the reporters are from Asia.
许多记者来自亚洲。
Wait!
等待！
Excuse me.
打扰一下。
Hey, wait, wait, wait!
嘿，等等，等等，等等！
Excuse me.
打扰一下。
Let me translate, please.
请让我翻译一下。
Thank you.
谢谢。
It's a month into the season, and media fascination with Yao's story is bigger than anyone imagined.
赛季已经过去一个月了，媒体对姚明故事的关注超出了任何人的想象。
Yao is the only player who reporters want to talk to before and after every game, regardless of how he plays.
姚明是唯一一位每场比赛赛前赛后记者都愿意采访的球员，无论他打得如何。
The questions tend to be the same in every city.
每个城市的问题往往都是相同的。
Questions about adapting to the NBA and life in America.
关于适应NBA和美国生活的问题。
What do you do in your spare time?
你闲暇时做什么？
Have you sampled the local cuisine?
你尝过当地的美食吗？
And of course--
当然还有——
Does he see himself as a role model to other Asians in America?
他是否认为自己是美国其他亚裔的榜样？
For the most part, Yao feeds them straight sports cliche.
在大多数情况下，姚明给他们提供的是直接的体育陈词滥调。
One day at a time.
一次一天。
I'm still learning the game.
我还在学习游戏。
But every once in a while, he'll give them an answer that leaves reporters scratching their heads.
但每隔一段时间，他就会给他们一个让记者摸不着头脑的答案。
Like this question, when the reporter asks, what's it like to play against Minnesota star Kevin Garnett?
就像这个问题，当记者问到，与明尼苏达球星凯文·加内特比赛感觉如何？
[SPEAKING CHINESE] Colin Pine He seems like a spider, [INAUDIBLE]
[说中文] Colin Pine 他看起来像一只蜘蛛，[听不清]
He's got strong arms and strong legs.
他有强壮的手臂和强壮的腿。
Spider.
蜘蛛。
[SPEAKING CHINESE] Yeah, like a spider.
[说中文] 是的，像蜘蛛一样。
The bulk of Colin's translating work is just getting Yao through these daily press conferences.
科林的大部分翻译工作就是帮助姚明完成这些每日新闻发布会。
Yao speaks enough English to communicate with coaches and players during games and practices, but Colin sits with the team courtside, just in case.
姚明能说足够的英语，可以在比赛和训练期间与教练和球员交流，但科林坐在球队场边，以防万一。
You sit right there, behind the bench and the red seats like that?
你就坐在那儿，在长凳和红色座椅后面吗？
They don't need me that much.
他们并不那么需要我。
Jesse Hardman So what do you do most of the game?
杰西·哈德曼 那么你在比赛中大部分时间都在做什么？
Watch and cheer and try not to say too much.
观看并欢呼，尽量不要说太多。
I've got to be careful.
我必须小心。
I'm a very enthusiastic fan.
我是一个非常热情的粉丝。
But I need to maintain a professional demeanor, I suppose.
但我想我需要保持职业风范。
Fast forward two hours.
快进两个小时。
Fourth quarter.
第四季度。
Rockets down by six with a few minutes to go.
距离比赛还剩几分钟，火箭队落后六分。
Oh, come on!
哦，来吧！
Jesse Hardman So much for professional demeanor.
杰西·哈德曼（Jesse Hardman） 职业风范就到此为止了。
Argh!
啊！
Jesse Hardman Colin's up out of his seat, looking like he wants a piece of the ref.
杰西·哈德曼·科林从座位上站了起来，看上去他想从裁判那里分一杯羹。
But if anything, this actually helps him fit in with the team.
但如果有的话，这实际上有助于他融入团队。
Here's backup center Kelvin Cato and backup point guard Richie Norris.
这是替补中锋凯尔文·卡托和替补控球后卫里奇·诺里斯。
And it's not just the players who glow about Colin.
为科林而欢呼的不仅仅是球员们。
A Rockets executive tells me that most NBA translators are just linguists with no feeling for the game, but Colin's made it way easier for Yao.
一位火箭队高管告诉我，大多数 NBA 翻译只是语言学家，对比赛没有任何感觉，但科林让姚明的翻译变得容易多了。
Even the press loves him.
甚至媒体也喜欢他。
Sam Smith is a veteran basketball beat writer for the Chicago Sun-Times.
萨姆·史密斯是《芝加哥太阳报》的资深篮球报道撰稿人。
Yeah.
是的。
We're going to go to Burger King right now.
我们现在要去汉堡王。
Right.
正确的。
Where's his dad?
他爸爸在哪儿？
Colin Pine I don't know.
科林·派恩 我不知道。
Here, talk to Yao Ming.
来，和姚明谈谈。
I'm going crazy here.
我在这里要疯了。
Here's what most of my cousin's glamorous job looks like up close.
这是我表弟大部分迷人工作的近距离观察。
Usually he and Yao are nowhere near a basketball court.
通常他和姚明都不靠近篮球场。
Usually he's not even translating.
通常他甚至不翻译。
Right here, Colin is trying to get Yao to the DMV so he can take his driver's test.
就在这里，科林正试图让姚去DMV，以便他可以参加驾驶员考试。
It's part of Colin's job to be Yao's driving instructor.
担任姚的驾驶教练是科林工作的一部分。
The problem today is, a National Geographic film crew wants to tag along.
今天的问题是，国家地理电影摄制组想要跟随。
Colin can't find Yao's dad, who's also taking the test, and Yao is hungry.
科林找不到姚的爸爸，他也在参加考试，而姚很饿。
Colin literally can't go 10 minutes without having his cell phone ring, and it's never for him.
科林实际上不能连续 10 分钟手机就响，而且这对他来说从来都不是。
Yao's agents, people from the Rockets, from the press, from the companies Yao endorses, even Yao's parents-- they all get to him through Colin.
姚明的经纪人、火箭队的人、媒体的人、姚明代言的公司的人，甚至姚明的父母——他们都通过科林联系到他。
Hey Angie, it's Colin.
嘿安吉，我是科林。
I just wanted to find, when is a good time?
我只是想知道，什么时候合适？
When am I going to be able to give you this stuff?
我什么时候才能给你这些东西？
After the game, or?
比赛结束后，还是？
Like, the tea, and I have something I need to give you, and I think I have a check from Yao Ming or his mother--
比如，茶，我需要给你一些东西，我想我有一张姚明或他母亲寄来的支票——
Here's something else.
这是别的东西。
Colin lives with Yao in a huge house, in a gated community, in a Houston suburb, together with Yao's mother and father, who keep a tight leash on their 22 year old son.
科林 (Colin) 与姚明 (Yao) 一起住在休斯敦郊区一个封闭式社区的一栋大房子里，姚明的父母则严格管束着他们 22 岁的儿子。
Originally, Colin was supposed have his own place, but the Yaos invited him into the house early in the season.
原本，科林应该有自己的住处，但姚明队在赛季初就邀请他来到家里。
He thought about it and decided it made sense, since he'd be spending almost every minute with Yao anyway.
他想了想，认为这是有道理的，因为无论如何他几乎每一分钟都会和姚明在一起。
It also felt like, you know, they were being very nice in offering, and I thought I didn't want to offend them by turning them down.
感觉就像，你知道，他们的提议非常好，我想我不想拒绝他们而冒犯他们。
But it made sense.
但这是有道理的。
It just made a lot of sense.
这很有意义。
But I mean, I'm 29, and I'm not accustomed to living with a family.
但我的意思是，我已经 29 岁了，我不习惯和家人一起生活。
Sometimes I think that his mom looks at me as a little kid.
有时我觉得他妈妈看着我就像个小孩子。
I know she worries if I don't eat enough, or you know.
我知道她担心我吃得不够，或者你知道的。
And it's really sweet.
而且真的很甜。
It's nice.
很好。
But it's a little strange.
但这有点奇怪。
It'd be strange to move back in with your own family at 29, let alone a Chinese family you just met, which doesn't speak English, and whose shortest member, Yao's mom, is a half foot taller than you.
29岁搬回自己的家人那里会很奇怪，更不用说你刚刚认识的一个中国家庭，他们不会说英语，而且他们最矮的成员，姚的妈妈，比你高半英尺。
Colin doesn't like talking about his home life with the Yaos.
科林不喜欢谈论他和姚一家的家庭生活。
That's private.
那是私人的。
So private that he never has anyone over to visit, friends or family.
他非常注重隐私，从来没有人来拜访过他，无论是朋友还是家人。
He can't even invite me in for a beer.
他甚至不能邀请我去喝啤酒。
Two days after Yao passes his driving test, I tag along with him and Colin as they head home from practice.
姚通过驾驶考试两天后，我跟随他和科林练习结束回家。
They sing along to the radio together.
他们一起跟着收音机唱歌。
They finish each other's sentences and tease each other in a mixture of English and Chinese.
他们用英语和汉语互相补充对方的句子并互相调侃。
You know, before I met him, I think Colin is maybe 40 years old people.
你知道，在我遇见他之前，我认为科林可能是 40 岁的人。
When I saw them, I think, oh, my God.
当我看到他们时，我想，哦，天啊。
It's a young boy.
这是一个小男孩。
Maybe younger than me.
也许比我年轻。
But I ask him, he say 28.
但我问他，他说28。
I said, 28?
我说，28岁？
He looks very young!
他看起来很年轻！
Does Colin have any annoying traits?
科林有什么令人讨厌的特质吗？
Does he not clean up his room anything?
他的房间不打扫吗？
Does he hog the Nintendo?
他霸占任天堂吗？
[SPEAKING CHINESE] Yao Ming [SPEAKING CHINESE]
[说中文] 姚明 [说中文]
He can't beat me, so I'm the one who's always hogging it.
他打不过我，所以我总是霸占它。
Their bond has been formed through an intense mutual experience.
他们的联系是通过强烈的共同经历而形成的。
The world of the NBA is foreign to both of them.
NBA的世界对他们俩来说都是陌生的。
There were lots of times, especially on the road, you know, we'd have dinner in a hotel room, and we'd talk.
有很多次，尤其是在路上，你知道，我们会在酒店房间吃晚饭，然后聊天。
And we'd say-- I would get stressed out over a press conference or something, and I'd tell him, you know, this is why I'm stressed.
我们会说，我会因为新闻发布会或其他事情而感到压力，我会告诉他，你知道，这就是我压力的原因。
And he'd do his best to help me after that.
之后他会尽力帮助我。
And it was harder for me to help him, because you know, the pressure on him was so much greater.
我更难帮助他，因为你知道，他承受的压力要大得多。
I mean, for instance, was it the second Laker game in LA?
我的意思是，例如，这是湖人队在洛杉矶的第二场比赛吗？
We lost in overtime, and he fouled out.
我们在加时赛中输了，他也犯满了。
And he was really upset.
他真的很沮丧。
And I did my-- I said, if you hadn't-- he had a great game, though.
我做了我的——我说，如果你没有——他打了一场精彩的比赛。
And I said, if you hadn't played well, we probably wouldn't have gotten here.
我说，如果你打得不好，我们可能就不会到达这里。
Gone into overtime.
进入加时赛了。
The only thing I can do is just be an ear.
我唯一能做的就是当一只耳朵。
Be somebody, you know, who says, I understand.
成为一个说“我理解”的人。
And then mean it.
然后认真地说。
Because I got to see it firsthand.
因为我亲眼目睹了它。
Three fourths of the way through the basketball season, I catch a Rockets game at Madison Square Garden in New York City.
篮球赛季已经过去四分之三了，我在纽约麦迪逊广场花园观看了一场火箭队的比赛。
It's a packed house, despite the fact the New York team, the Knicks, suck.
尽管纽约尼克斯队的表现很糟糕，但现场还是挤满了人。
Almost a third of the crowd is Chinese, many of them attending their first NBA game.
几乎三分之一的观众是中国人，其中许多人是第一次观看 NBA 比赛。
They're here because of Yao, who's now a full-fledged phenomenon.
他们来到这里是因为姚明，姚明现在已经成为了一名成熟的现象级人物。
He's only been in the US for four months, but he's already the new face of Apple Computer, Gatorade, and Visa.
他来美国才四个月，但他已经是苹果电脑、佳得乐和 Visa 的新代言人了。
To the surprise of the normal Knicks crowd, Yao's army comes ready to scream, and many have made homemade signs proclaiming their love of Yao.
令普通尼克斯队球迷惊讶的是，姚明的军队已经准备好尖叫，许多人自制了标语来表达他们对姚明的热爱。
What's your sign say here?
你这里的标志是什么？
Fan Yao Ming, The Next Big Thing.
范耀明，下一件大事。
What's so exciting about him?
他有什么令人兴奋的？
Fan Honestly, I feel very proud.
范先生说实话，我感到非常自豪。
I plan on opening a basketball camp in Pakistan in the future because of this.
因此，我计划将来在巴基斯坦开设篮球训练营。
And I want to, like, open the doors for Pakistanis to get into the game of basketball.
我想为巴基斯坦人打开篮球运动的大门。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Pakistan.
巴基斯坦。
This is the power of Yao Ming.
这就是姚明的力量。
He's united the Asian mainland with the Indian subcontinent.
他统一了亚洲大陆和印度次大陆。
Just to see how far his celebrity extends, I ask this 22 year old fan about my cousin.
为了看看他的名气有多大，我向这位 22 岁的粉丝询问了我表弟的情况。
He's got a translator.
他有一个翻译。
What do you think of that job?
你觉得那份工作怎么样？
Well, I actually have a sign for him right there.
嗯，实际上我在那里有一个给他的标志。
What does it say?
它说什么？
Fan 2 Right here.
粉丝2 就在这里。
"Move over Batman and Robin.
“移开蝙蝠侠和罗宾。
We have some new heroes in town, Yao Ming and Colin Pine.
我们镇上有一些新的英雄，姚明和科林·派恩。
Citizens of Houston have no fear.
休斯顿市民没有恐惧。
Ming and Pine are here."
明和松来了。”
I'm just a huge fan.
我只是一个超级粉丝。
Colin Pine-- he's Yao's right hand man right now.
Colin Pine——他现在是姚明的得力助手。
I mean, he's the one that's doing all the talking for Yao in English.
我的意思是，他是那个用英语为姚明说话的人。
So we get Yao's word through him.
所以我们通过他得到了姚明的话。
Is he a celebrity?
他是名人吗？
Fan 2 Oh, definitely.
粉丝2 哦，当然。
When you're anyone around Yao, it's a celebrity.
当你是姚明身边的任何人时，那就是名人。
I'll tell you that much.
我就告诉你这么多。
I'm floored by this.
我对此感到很困惑。
And my question of the night becomes, who's Colin Pine?
今晚我的问题是，谁是科林·派恩？
The interpreter.
翻译员。
Fan 4 Yao Ming's translator.
范4 姚明的翻译。
We actually ran into Colin Pine in Chinatown in Houston at a tiny karaoke bar.
事实上，我们在休斯敦唐人街的一家小卡拉 OK 酒吧里遇到了科林·派恩 (Colin Pine)。
Colin Pine was singing perfect Mandarin.
科林·派恩唱着完美的普通话。
One woman knows so much about him, that she could have written this story.
一位女士对他非常了解，她本可以写下这个故事。
Well, he worked in the State Department, and he applied online and didn't think he would get the job, and was shocked when they called, and basically he was told he had to be here like yesterday.
嗯，他在国务院工作，他在网上申请，并不认为他会得到这份工作，当他们打电话时他感到很震惊，基本上他被告知他必须像昨天一样在这里。
And he was excited because he was a huge Steve Francis fan.
他很兴奋，因为他是史蒂夫·弗朗西斯的超级粉丝。
Before I think he was translating documents with the US government.
之前我认为他是在与美国政府翻译文件。
He must be the luckiest man in the world right now.
他现在一定是世界上最幸运的人了。
That guy's got the best job in the world.
那家伙拥有世界上最好的工作。
I'd like to have his job.
我想得到他的工作。
Jesse Hardman In my very informal survey, 50% of the crowd knows my cousin my name.
杰西·哈德曼 在我非常非正式的调查中，50% 的人知道我表弟的名字。
One Chinese-American coed who carries a sign saying, "I'm single and bilingual-- hey Yao, you and me, let's mingle" tells me my cousin's hot.
一位华裔美国男女学生举着一块牌子，上面写着“我是单身，会说两种语言——嘿姚，你和我，我们来交流吧”，他告诉我我表弟很性感。
Colin's heard it before.
科林以前听过。
I've had girls pass me cards.
我曾让女孩递卡片给我。
Not often.
不经常。
It's not like-- the players get it all the time, I'm sure.
我确信，球员们并不是一直都能明白这一点。
But consciously and subconsciously, there's part of me that is really wary of the whole thing.
但有意识和无意识地，我内心深处对整件事非常警惕。
You know, I want somebody to like me for the witty, intelligent, charming person that I am.
你知道，我希望有人因为我机智、聪明、迷人而喜欢我。
My friends are like, this job is so wasted on you.
我的朋友们说，这份工作对你来说太浪费了。
You're up.
你起来了。
Colin Pine Oh, it's me again.
科林·派恩 哦，又是我。
[SINGING IN CHINESE] Jesse Hardman On a warm spring night, Yao, Colin, and I are out at a Chinese karaoke bar.
[中文演唱] 杰西·哈德曼 (Jesse Hardman) 在一个温暖的春夜，姚、科林和我在一家中国卡拉 OK 酒吧。
Yao just passed his driving exam and he wants to celebrate.
姚刚刚通过了驾驶考试，他想庆祝一下。
He never goes out.
他从不出门。
This is a really big deal.
这确实是一件大事。
He's out of the house and his parents aren't around.
他不在家，父母也不在家。
The club sits in a stucco Chinese mini mall in a cookie cutter Houston suburb between a nail salon and a takeout place called The Fancy Noodle.
该俱乐部坐落在休斯敦郊区的一座灰泥中国迷你购物中心内，位于一家美甲沙龙和一家名为 The Fancy Noodle 的外卖店之间。
Everyone has a couple of beers, but this is definitely the G-rated version of an NBA night out.
每个人都会喝几杯啤酒，但这绝对是 G 级版本的 NBA 之夜。
[SINGING IN CHINESE] Jesse Hardman Colin loves karaoke.
[中文演唱] 杰西·哈德曼·科林 (Jesse Hardman Colin) 喜欢卡拉 OK。
He sings a Chinese love ballad with an English chorus-- "I Only Want To Be Your Friend." Yao, appropriately enough, responds with the Backstreet Boys hit, "Larger Than Life."
他用英文副歌唱了一首中国情歌——《我只想做你的朋友》。姚明用后街男孩的热门单曲“Larger Than Life”来回应。
[SINGING] Jesse Hardman Yao later tells me this night was the most fun he's had in America.
[唱歌] 杰西·哈德曼·姚后来告诉我，今晚是他在美国度过的最开心的一晚。
Five years from now you're going to be veteran in the league.
五年后你将成为联盟的老将。
You'll be superstar.
你会成为超级巨星。
And you'll speak English, and you won't need an interpreter.
而且您会说英语，并且不需要口译员。
So who will Colin Pine be to you then, in five years?
那么五年后，科林·派恩对你来说会是谁呢？
[SPEAKING CHINESE] Colin Pine Still friends.
[说中文] Colin Pine 仍然是朋友。
Still friends.
还是朋友。
Do you think you'll hang out still?
你觉得你还会出去玩吗？
[SPEAKING CHINESE] Yao Ming [SPEAKING CHINESE]
[说中文] 姚明 [说中文]
If you don't mind, and you don't mind me stealing your girlfriend, then it's OK.
如果你不介意，也不介意我抢了你的女朋友，那也没关系。
Jesse Hartman.
杰西·哈特曼。
Credits Ira Glass You know you can download audio of our program at audible.com/thisamericanlife, where they have public radio programs, bestselling books, even the New York Times , all at audible.com.
感谢 Ira Glass 您知道，您可以在 audible.com/thisamericanlife 下载我们节目的音频，那里有公共广播节目、畅销书，甚至纽约时报，所有这些都在 audible.com 上。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
Nancy Updike's story was part of the Hearing Voices project, which gets funding from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and is online at hearingvoices.com.
南希·厄普代克的故事是“聆听之声”项目的一部分，该项目获得了公共广播公司的资助，并在hearingvoices.com 上发布。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our show by Torey Malatia, who calls me up drunk at least once a week and says,
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理部门由 Torey Malatia 对我们的节目进行监督，他每周至少一次给我打电话说喝得醉醺醺的，并说：
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。