233: Starting From Scratch - This American Life
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Prologue: Prologue Ira Glass Things are just starting to look up for Jorge, when the thing with the TV happened.
序言：序言 艾拉·格拉斯 事情刚刚开始好转，就在电视的事情发生时。
He had just moved to a new town, started his life over, found some work, got a place.
他刚刚搬到一个新城镇，重新开始自己的生活，找到了一些工作，找到了一个地方。
Years of searching around in vagueness were ending.
多年的模糊搜索即将结束。
It's going well.
进展顺利。
Like the way that I'm procrastinating now is by-- like doing work.
就像我现在拖延的方式就是——就像做工作一样。
You know?
你知道？
Coming into my home, I feel good.
来到我家，我感觉很好。
I'm paying bills relatively on time.
我相对按时支付账单。
He'd moved to New York City, which was scary.
他搬到了纽约市，这很可怕。
And walked into an apartment that real New Yorkers told him was a find-- a little studio in the East Village.
然后走进了一套公寓，真正的纽约人告诉他这是一个发现——东村的一个小工作室。
One room.
一间房。
Good location.
位置好。
Cheap.
便宜的。
And then one night he's sitting at his table, watching The Bachelorette on TV.
然后有一天晚上，他坐在桌旁，观看电视上的《单身女郎》。
And it's the episode where the bachelorette has whittled it down to four guys that she's going to pick one from, eventually.
在这一集里，单身女郎将人数减少到四个男人，最终她要从中挑选一个。
And she's in New York City visiting one of the potentials.
她正在纽约拜访一位潜在客户。
And you know, she goes out to dinner with his family.
你知道，她和他的家人一起出去吃饭。
And they eat, and you know, they've got the shifty-eyed sister.
他们吃东西，你知道，他们有一个狡猾的妹妹。
And you know, like everybody's family acts the exact same way.
你知道，每个人的家人的行为方式都完全相同。
You know?
你知道？
Right.
正确的。
Jorge Just And then they get in the limousine, and they decide to go back to his apartment.
豪尔赫·贾斯特：然后他们上了豪华轿车，决定回到他的公寓。
Now I'm on the edge of my seat.
现在我正紧张不安。
Because I moved to New York-- it's an enormous city.
因为我搬到了纽约——那是一座巨大的城市。
And I would be so excited if I could recognize the street.
如果我能认出这条街，我会非常兴奋。
I would be so excited.
我会很兴奋。
It would just make me so happy.
这会让我很高兴。
And so I'm totally-- I'm totally excited.
所以我非常——我非常兴奋。
So they get out of the limo, and he hugs her in the street.
于是他们下了豪华轿车，他在街上拥抱了她。
And they pan and they show a building.
他们平移并显示出一座建筑物。
They show an awning.
他们展示了一个遮阳篷。
And it's my awning.
这是我的遮阳篷。
It's your building?
是你的大楼吗？
Jorge Just It's my building.
豪尔赫 这是我的大楼。
It's the awning to my building.
这是我大楼的遮阳篷。
It says the address.
上面写着地址。
It says the street.
说的是街道。
It's-- you know-- it's possibly the only place in New York I actually know.
这——你知道——这可能是我真正知道的纽约唯一的地方。
(both laughing) And then he opens the door, and she comes in, and it's my lobby.
（两人都笑了）然后他打开门，她进来了，这是我的大厅。
You know?
你知道？
There's my lobby.
这是我的大厅。
There is the row of mailboxes, you know?
那儿有一排邮箱，你知道吗？
And I'm just like-- I'm out of my chair.
我就像——我从椅子上站了起来。
And I'm-- I can't talk.
我——我不能说话。
I'm like-- you know-- like pointing at the TV.
我就像——你知道——就像指着电视。
If it were me, I would think like, are they here right now?
如果是我，我会想，他们现在在吗？
Like in the building?
就像在大楼里一样？
You're too smart.
你太聪明了。
I couldn't think.
我无法思考。
I was just like, aaah.
我当时就想，啊啊。
[Ira laughs] You know?
[艾拉笑]你知道吗？
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
I was just like-- I was just flabbergasted.
我只是——我简直惊呆了。
It just couldn't be happening, you know?
这不可能发生，你知道吗？
He watches them take the elevator up to the fourth floor.
他看着他们乘电梯上了四楼。
Jorge lives on the fifth.
豪尔赫住在第五号。
They walk down the hallway door.
他们沿着走廊门走下去。
And then Jorge realizes something else.
然后豪尔赫意识到了另一件事。
You know, he doesn't just live in the city as me.
你知道，他并不像我一样住在城市里。
He doesn't live on the same street as me.
他和我不住在同一条街上。
He doesn't just live in the same building as me.
他不只是和我住在同一栋楼里。
He basically lives in my apartment.
他基本上住在我的公寓里。
He lives in the exact same apartment.
他住在同一间公寓里。
This exact same layout.
这完全相同的布局。
So wait a second.
所以等一下。
So the camera goes inside this apartment, and you see your apartment, basically.
所以摄像机进入了这间公寓，你基本上就看到了你的公寓。
A much better version of my apartment.
我的公寓的一个更好的版本。
His is much better.
他的好多了。
The walls are wider.
墙壁更宽。
The place is cleaner.
这个地方更干净。
The furniture is nicer.
家具比较好。
He has a half wall.
他有半堵墙。
He's got a half wall.
他有半堵墙。
It's like drywall, you know?
这就像干墙，你知道吗？
But it seems like it has some sort of counter top kind of thing on it.
但上面似乎有某种柜台上的东西。
And at that moment Jorge gets this flash.
就在那一刻豪尔赫得到了这一闪光。
He is not really doing all that well.
他确实做得不太好。
His apartment is a kind of dump, compared to this guy who's on TV.
与电视上的这个人相比，他的公寓简直就是一个垃圾场。
Plus he's watching Trista Rehn, the bachelorette, on TV, looking uncomfortable in his apartment on national TV.
另外，他正在电视上观看单身女郎特里斯塔·雷恩（Trista Rehn）的表演，国家电视台在他的公寓里看起来很不舒服。
In fact, she bails on the guy.
事实上，她已经放弃了这个家伙。
She leaves the apartment, and they cut to like that head-on interview.
她离开了公寓，他们开始喜欢这次正面采访。
You know?
你知道？
And she's looking into the camera.
她正在看着镜头。
And she says, I've dated guys with really bad apartments before.
她说，我以前和过公寓条件很差的男人约会过。
I can't judge him on that.
我无法以此来评判他。
I have to-- I have to find out why he feels like he can live in an apartment like this.
我必须——我必须找出为什么他觉得他可以住在这样的公寓里。
She ditched him because of the apartment?
她因为公寓而抛弃他？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass Wait.
艾拉·格拉斯等等。
He lost out on the bachelorette because of the apartment?
他因为公寓而失去了单身女郎？
Oh yeah.
哦，是的。
Ira Glass And it was your apartment?
Ira Glass 那是你的公寓吗？
Over the next few days it all sort of goes to hell for Jorge.
在接下来的几天里，豪尔赫的一切都陷入了地狱。
He's depressed.
他很沮丧。
His new life does not seem so shiny.
他的新生活似乎并不那么光鲜亮丽。
His New York friends console him.
他的纽约朋友安慰他。
Look, they say, the bachelorette had never seen a New York apartment before.
他们说，这位单身女郎以前从未见过纽约的公寓。
She does not know how people here live.
她不知道这里的人们过着怎样的生活。
This means nothing.
这没有任何意义。
Which helps him for a while, until one day Jorge picks up the New York Post, and right there is an article about his neighbor, Todtman-- the guy from The Bachelorette-- getting busted for cocaine.
这对他有一段时间有帮助，直到有一天豪尔赫拿起《纽约邮报》，上面有一篇关于他的邻居托特曼——来自《单身女郎》的人——因可卡因被捕的文章。
Third paragraph.
第三段。
"Todtman's fate on The Bachelorette was sealed the moment Rehn set foot in his squalid Avenue A studio apartment."
“当雷恩踏入他肮脏的 A 大道单间公寓时，托特曼在《单身女郎》中的命运就注定了。”
[laughing] Jorge Just Do you understand the weight of that?
[笑] Jorge 只是你明白它的重要性吗？
Squalid.
肮脏的。
"Squalid Avenue A studio apartment."
“肮脏大道的单间公寓。”
So this isn't just like people from outside New York.
所以这与纽约以外的人不同。
This is the New York Post.
这是《纽约邮报》。
Nobody knows New York apartments like the New York Post.
没有人像《纽约邮报》那样了解纽约的公寓。
These guys have been in the most squalid New York City apartments.
这些家伙住在纽约市最肮脏的公寓里。
It's squalid, you know?
这是肮脏的，你知道吗？
It's squalid.
这是肮脏的。
Squalid.
肮脏的。
Squalid.
肮脏的。
You know?
你知道？
There's not that many definitions for squalid.
对于肮脏的定义并不多。
There's not many ways to look at the word squalid and think, mmm, maybe they mean kind of hip.
没有太多的方式可以让我们看到“肮脏”这个词并思考，嗯，也许它们的意思是“时髦”。
You know?
你知道？
Somehow, without ever meaning to, Jorge had the experience that a person would have if he actually went onto one of the reality shows, and then got booted off the show.
不知何故，豪尔赫无意中获得了一种经历，就像一个人真的参加了一场真人秀，然后被赶出了节目。
National television came into his apartment, and then kicked him off the island, by proxy.
国家电视台走进他的公寓，然后通过代理把他赶出了岛上。
He was like collateral damage to a reality show.
他就像是真人秀节目的附带损害。
You know, I never-- I didn't want to be-- I didn't want America to judge me and tell me my apartment sucked, you know?
你知道，我从来没有——我不想——我不想让美国评判我并告诉我我的公寓很糟糕，你知道吗？
I didn't want that.
我不想那样。
But that moment when they came into my building, and they opened that door, and it was my apartment, I thought I was-- you know-- I thought that I was hot.
但当他们走进我的大楼，打开那扇门，那是我的公寓时，我以为我——你知道——我以为我很热。
I thought that it was-- you know.
我以为那是——你知道的。
Yeah.
是的。
Jorge Just And then all of a sudden it's like-- byoo byoo boo.
Jorge Just 然后突然之间就好像——byoo byoo boo。
[Ira laughs] You know?
[艾拉笑]你知道吗？
What was it?
那是什么？
Jorge Just Byoo, byoo, byoo, byoo, byoo.
豪尔赫只是拜欧，拜欧，拜欧，拜欧，拜欧。
You lose, you lose, you lose, you lose.
你输了，你输了，你输了，你输了。
You know?
你知道？
Jorge says that if he hadn't just moved to New York City, if he hadn't just started this whole life, it would not have been the kick in the stomach that it was, which brings us to today's radio program.
豪尔赫说，如果他没有搬到纽约，如果他没有开始这一生，就不会出现今天的广播节目。
From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our show, starting from scratch.
今天我们的节目，从头开始。
Stories of people in that period of their lives when everything is up for grabs.
人们在人生的那个时期的故事，一切都可以争夺。
They're starting over.
他们要重新开始了
Everything is tenuous.
一切都是脆弱的。
Act One, Puppy Love, the Business Model.
第一幕，早恋，商业模式。
Act Two.
第二幕。
Making Money the Old-Fashioned Way.
以老式的方式赚钱。
In that act, the story of a man-- a limo driver, in fact-- who begins each day from scratch with just a few bucks, and builds it to hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands by the end of the day.
在那一幕中，讲述了一个男人（事实上是一名豪华轿车司机）的故事，他每天只用几块钱从头开始，到一天结束时将其增加到数百、数千或数万。
Act Three.
第三幕。
The First Starting From Scratch.
第一个从头开始。
In that act, Jonathan Goldstein revisits a possibly familiar tale of a man, a woman, a garden, and a snake.
在那一幕中，乔纳森·戈尔茨坦重温了一个可能熟悉的关于男人、女人、花园和蛇的故事。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One.
第一幕。
Puppy Love, the Business Model.
早恋，商业模式。
OK.
好的。
You know there are mom and pop grocery stores, mom and pop newspapers.
你知道有夫妻杂货店、夫妻报纸。
But could you throw everything away, change your life, start your life over, and create a mom and pop cable network?
但是你能扔掉一切，改变你的生活，重新开始你的生活，并创建一个妈妈和流行的有线电视网络吗？
Molly FitzSimons' own father tried.
莫莉·菲茨西蒙斯的父亲尝试过。
And she has the answer.
她有答案。
Some people's fathers quit their jobs and become teachers.
有些人的父亲辞去了工作，当了老师。
Some maybe retire early and start a new hobby, like model building.
有些人可能会提前退休并开始一项新的爱好，比如模型制作。
My father, after turning over the reins of the business he'd owned and operated for 25 years, started a cable channel.
我的父亲在交出他拥有并经营了 25 年的企业的控制权后，创办了一家有线电视频道。
From scratch.
从头开始。
It was February 1995, and he was looking for something new to do, but he didn't know what.
那是 1995 年 2 月，他正在寻找新的事情做，但他不知道做什么。
Then came the O.J.
然后是 O.J.
trial.
审判。
He had just had back surgery, and the day they sent him home for bedrest happened to be the day that the trial began.
他刚刚做了背部手术，他们送他回家卧床休息的那天正好是审判开始的日子。
During the long breaks in the action he would flip through the channels.
在比赛的长时间休息期间，他会翻阅频道。
There was so much downtime in the trial I had a chance to see everything that was on television all day long for weeks.
审判期间有太多的停机时间，我有机会在几周内整天看到电视上播放的所有内容。
The slow points of the trial were most of the day.
试验的慢点是一天中的大部分时间。
And I spent the time surfing around daytime television and seeing what it was.
我花时间浏览白天的电视节目，看看都是什么。
What it was was mostly soap operas, talk shows, reruns, game shows.
主要是肥皂剧、脱口秀、重播、游戏节目。
Things that my father had no interest in.
父亲不感兴趣的事情。
My father is a problem solver, and this was a problem.
我父亲是一个问题解决者，这就是一个问题。
So I thought, something else is necessary.
所以我想，还需要其他东西。
There's a need for a parking place on television.
电视上需要一个停车位。
If you don't want to watch something that is there you could have the TV set on, and it'd be playing something that didn't bother you, and would hold the place until your favorite show or what you chose to watch.
如果你不想看那里的东西，你可以打开电视机，它会播放一些不打扰你的东西，并且会保留这个地方，直到你最喜欢的节目或你选择观看的东西。
For my father, like for a lot of people, simply turning off the television isn't an option.
对于我父亲来说，就像对于很多人一样，简单地关掉电视并不是一个选择。
So he's stuck flipping through a bunch of shows that he hates waiting for the O.J.
所以他只能翻看一堆他讨厌等待 O.J. 的节目。
trial to come back on, when a little light bulb goes off in his head.
尝试重新开始时，他脑子里的一个小灯泡熄灭了。
I recalled my wife and I walking to lunch on a Friday in downtown Cleveland, walking into a building where the Animal Protective League had puppies up for adoption.
我记得周五我和妻子在克利夫兰市中心步行去吃午饭，走进一栋大楼，那里有动物保护联盟正在收养小狗。
And the crowd of people standing around these puppies included men in three-piece suits, and women in fancy outfits, and shoppers, moms with kids in strollers, the UPS man.
站在这些小狗周围的人群包括穿着三件套西装的男人、穿着华丽服装的女人、购物者、推着婴儿车的妈妈们、UPS 的工作人员。
And they stood together smiling and chuckling, and even sometimes addressing one another in the middle of a big city building, all because there were puppies.
他们微笑着站在一起，有时甚至在一座大城市建筑的中间互相交谈，这一切都是因为有小狗。
The puppies made them feel better.
小狗让他们感觉好多了。
And so my thought jumped to if television needs some other kind of programming, what would be wrong with one channel, out of the hundreds that there are, that showed nothing but puppies.
因此，我的想法跳到，如果电视需要其他类型的节目，那么在数百个频道中，除了小狗什么都没有播放的频道会出现什么问题。
All day, all night, every day.
整天，整夜，每一天。
The initial idea was all puppies all the time.
最初的想法是一直都是小狗。
You would turn to the Puppy Channel and you would see-- 24 hours a day, seven days a week-- footage of puppies fooling around like puppies do, acting the natural comedians and cuties that they are.
你打开小狗频道，你会看到——每周 7 天、每天 24 小时——小狗像小狗一样鬼混的镜头，表现出天生的喜剧演员和可爱的样子。
With no people, no talk, accompanied only by relaxing instrumental music-- would be the Puppy Channel concept.
没有人，没有谈话，只有轻松的器乐伴奏——这就是小狗频道的概念。
I'm looking for Ted Turner's letter, where he very nicely refused me in writing this time.
我正在寻找特德·特纳的信，这次他很好地拒绝了我的书面信。
My father's home office in Clearwater, Florida, is all decked out with family photos, artifacts from his years in the ad business.
我父亲位于佛罗里达州克利尔沃特的家庭办公室里摆满了家庭照片，这些都是他在广告行业工作多年的文物。
And an entire wall of file cabinets, which has the complete Puppy Channel archive.
还有一整面墙的文件柜，里面有完整的小狗频道档案。
What's that?
那是什么？
Dan Fitzsimons This is a demo that is on the way to being the pilot show.
Dan Fitzsimons 这是一个即将成为试点节目的演示。
He shows me a banker's box filled with videotapes, and pulls out the one-hour pilot he made early on in the Puppy Channel development.
他向我展示了一个装满录像带的银行家盒子，并拿出了他在小狗频道开发初期制作的一小时试播节目。
It's professionally packaged.
它经过专业包装。
There's a closeup of a puppy on the cover with the word "Woof." And two exclamation points.
封面上有一只小狗的特写，上面写着“汪”字。还有两个感叹号。
OK.
好的。
So it's a really-- it's a cute cover.
所以这真的是一个可爱的封面。
Let's put it in.
我们把它放进去吧。
When's the last time you watched this?
你最后一次看这个是什么时候？
I think it's been years since I watched this.
我想我已经好几年没看过这个了。
[singing on video] Puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies.
[视频中唱歌]小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗。
Puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies.
小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗。
You may recognize this voice.
你可能认得这个声音。
It's my dad.
这是我爸爸。
He also wrote the lyrics.
他还写了歌词。
Puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies.
小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗。
Puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies.
小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗，小狗。
Puppies!
小狗们！
[puppies bark in the background]
[小狗在背景中吠叫]
The scene fades up to a family of old English sheepdog puppies playing and barking in a wood-paneled suburban den somewhere, with mellow guitar music in the background.
场景逐渐淡出，一群古老的英国牧羊犬小狗在郊区某处木板镶板的小窝里玩耍和吠叫，背景音乐是柔和的吉他音乐。
After a couple of minutes the scene changes to a corgi puppy running in circles on a snow-covered lawn.
几分钟后，场景变成了一只柯基犬在白雪覆盖的草坪上绕圈跑。
Soon border collies are fighting over a sock on somebody's linoleum kitchen floor.
很快，边境牧羊犬就在厨房的油毡地板上争夺一只袜子。
It's exactly what you'd expect from my dad's description of the Puppy Channel.
这正是你从我父亲对小狗频道的描述中所期望的。
And what's so surprising is that it really is nothing more than that.
令人惊讶的是，事实仅此而已。
Throughout the hour-long pilot, puppies waddle around and sniff things.
在长达一小时的试播过程中，小狗们摇摇晃晃地走来走去，嗅着东西。
Puppies wrestle and nuzzle each other adorably.
小狗们可爱地互相摔跤和用鼻子蹭。
It's a soft focus world of indescribable cuteness.
这是一个难以形容的可爱的柔焦世界。
Occasionally, my dad's singing interrupts the relaxing instrumental soundtrack.
偶尔，我爸爸的歌声会打断轻松的器乐配乐。
[singing] Puppies are everywhere.
[唱歌] 小狗无处不在。
Puppies go anywhere.
小狗去任何地方。
Watch the Puppy Channel now for puppies on TV.
立即观看小狗频道，了解电视上的小狗。
Aww.
哇。
Look at that one, with the big ears flopping up in the air.
看看那个，大耳朵在空中垂下来。
At some point while we're watching, my dad's wife, Carol-- who's been listening quietly to our conversation from the other side of the room-- comes over and starts cooing at the television.
当我们观看的时候，我父亲的妻子卡罗尔——她一直在房间的另一边静静地听着我们的谈话——走过来，开始对着电视咕咕叫。
Carol went with my father on most of the Puppy Channel shoots, and actually had the idea for what became the big climactic final scene of the pilot.
卡罗尔和我父亲一起参加了小狗频道的大部分拍摄，并且实际上对试播集的最后一个高潮场景产生了想法。
Here's a scene of all 10 of the dogs on a sofa, and how they get off.
这是 10 只狗都坐在沙发上以及它们如何下车的场景。
Some of them are vigorous in getting off.
他们中的一些人下车时精力充沛。
Some of them are a little reluctant.
他们中的一些人有些不情愿。
This was your idea, Carol?
这是你的主意吗，卡罗尔？
Carol I thought it would be cute.
卡罗尔 我觉得这会很可爱。
It's not just cute.
这不仅仅是可爱。
It's also suspenseful.
也颇具悬念。
Most of the puppies immediately jump or tumble off the couch onto the carpeted floor.
大多数小狗会立即从沙发上跳下来或摔到铺着地毯的地板上。
But a couple of them stay up there looking sort of confused.
但其中有几个人呆在那里，看上去有些困惑。
It's a pretty long sequence.
这是一个相当长的序列。
I glance around the room during it, and realize that all of us are smiling.
期间我环顾房间，发现我们所有人都在微笑。
And we're watching with rapt attention to see if the two cowardly puppies will ever find their way down off the couch.
我们全神贯注地看着这两只胆怯的小狗是否能从沙发上下来。
One of the two finally does, leaving only one puppy left.
两只小狗中的一只终于这么做了，只剩下一只小狗了。
And to give you an idea of the drama of the moment, let me put it this way.
为了让您了解当前的戏剧性事件，让我这样说。
We all find ourselves talking to the TV.
我们都发现自己正在对着电视说话。
Come on.
快点。
Molly Fitzsimons Come on.
莫莉·菲茨西蒙斯 来吧。
You can do it.
你可以做到的。
Finally, after a good three or four minutes, the last puppy sort of half jumps, half falls off the couch.
最后，过了三四分钟，最后一只小狗从沙发上一半跳下去，一半掉下来。
And all of us cheer.
我们所有人都欢呼雀跃。
The moment.
那一刻。
Yes.
是的。
Success.
成功。
Molly Fitzsimons Nice move into slow-mo there.
莫莉·菲茨西蒙斯 (Molly Fitzsimons) 很高兴进入慢动作模式。
The whole time my dad was doing the Puppy Channel, I could never decide if I thought the idea was genius or totally insane.
在我父亲做小狗频道的整个过程中，我永远无法确定我认为这个想法是天才还是完全疯狂。
And the thing that made it seem super smart was the same thing that made it seem kind of crazy-- namely, puppies.
让它看起来超级聪明的东西和让它看起来有点疯狂的东西是同一件事——那就是小狗。
Suddenly my businessman dad was talking so much and so fervently about puppies it was kind of weird.
突然间，我的商人爸爸开始热切地谈论小狗，这有点奇怪。
And my question was always how would the Puppy Channel possibly make any money.
我的问题始终是小狗频道如何赚钱。
When I asked my father this question, he was so convincing that I started to wonder why it's not on television right now.
当我问父亲这个问题时，他的回答非常有说服力，以至于我开始想知道为什么现在电视上没有出现这个问题。
Here's how it would work.
下面是它的工作原理。
There'd be fees from cable operators, and there'd be product placements and sponsorships.
有线电视运营商会收取费用，并且会有产品植入和赞助。
You'd see a bunch of puppies tearing into a bag of puppy chow, for example.
例如，你会看到一群小狗撕扯一袋小狗粮。
Or a scroll across the bottom of the screen saying, this hour of the Puppy Channel brought to you by Milk Bone.
或者在屏幕底部滚动显示“Milk Bone 为您带来了这一小时的小狗频道”。
In focus groups it did well-- 37% preferred it to TBS.
在焦点小组中，它表现良好——37% 的人更喜欢它，而不是 TBS。
41% to CNBC.
41% 归 CNBC 报道。
And remember, my dad didn't need a huge audience to succeed.
请记住，我父亲并不需要大量观众才能成功。
At the time we created the Puppy Channel, television channels with the tiniest little sliver of audience were worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
在我们创建小狗频道时，即使只有极少数观众的电视频道也价值数亿美元。
Court Television sold one third of its stock for $100 million, which presumably means the thing was worth $300 million.
Court Television 以 1 亿美元的价格出售了三分之一的股票，这大概意味着这件事价值 3 亿美元。
And their primetime ratings was 1/10 of 1% of the TV audience at that time.
而他们的黄金时段收视率是当时电视观众1%的1/10。
Based on our research, that even though the Puppy Channel would appeal to a very small segment of people, that segment would be big enough to make it a success.
根据我们的研究，尽管小狗频道只会吸引一小部分人，但该部分足够大，足以使其取得成功。
But even a small cable channel was a huge venture compared to anything my father had done before.
但与我父亲以前所做的任何事情相比，即使是一个小型有线电视频道也是一项巨大的冒险。
By his reckoning, he needed to raise $17 million to get on the air.
据他估计，他需要筹集 1700 万美元才能播出。
Or he needed a big cable company to buy his idea.
或者他需要一家大型有线电视公司来购买他的想法。
And so he and Carol started hustling.
于是他和卡罗尔开始忙碌起来。
And after 25 years of being at the center of their own small familiar world, they suddenly found themselves in middle age, on the fringes of a much larger and stranger one.
在他们自己熟悉的小世界的中心度过了 25 年之后，他们突然发现自己已步入中年，处于一个更大、更陌生的世界的边缘。
There were cable conventions.
有有线电视大会。
We had a little tiny booth way in the corner.
我们在角落里有一个小摊位。
And we had a million people coming around wanting to get our video.
有一百万人前来观看我们的视频。
Um, dog.
嗯，狗。
[both laughing] Molly Fitzsimons What?
[两人都笑了] 莫莉·菲茨西蒙斯 什么？
I dressed as a dog.
我打扮得像只狗。
And I painted my nose black.
我把鼻子涂成黑色。
Yeah.
是的。
And couldn't get the black out of the pores of my nose for days.
几天来我鼻子毛孔里的黑色都无法去除。
Whose idea was it for you to wear a dog suit?
你穿狗服是谁的主意？
I think it was-- I think it was your father's.
我想那是——我想那是你父亲的。
Of course it was your father's.
当然是你父亲的。
Would I have voluntarily done that?
我会自愿这样做吗？
These are the things you do for love.
这些都是你为爱所做的事情。
[laughing]
[笑]
Fortune magazine published a photo of Carol in her dog suit.
《财富》杂志刊登了卡罗尔穿着狗服的照片。
The media loved the Puppy Channel.
媒体喜欢小狗频道。
There was an article about it on the cover of the Hollywood Reporter.
《好莱坞报道》的封面上有一篇关于此事的文章。
There were favorable blurbs in Entertainment Weekly and USA Today.
《娱乐周刊》和《今日美国》上都有有利的宣传。
Everybody loved it.
每个人都喜欢它。
Everybody except the ones who, at this stage, mattered most.
除了现阶段最重要的人之外的所有人。
People like Ted Turner, Barry Diller, and Rupert Murdoch all got the Puppy Channel pitch.
特德·特纳、巴里·迪勒和鲁珀特·默多克等人都获得了小狗频道的推介。
But my father couldn't make the sale.
但我父亲没能完成这笔交易。
One of the TV professionals that we talked to was talking about the amount of space on a satellite-- they call it bandwidth today-- that it takes to have a commercial TV network shown.
我们采访的一位电视专业人士正在谈论卫星上的空间量（他们今天称之为带宽）来播放商业电视网络所需的空间量。
He said something like, you'd ask us to give up six megaschlocks of gooberschnapp to put just puppies on there?
他说了这样的话，你会要求我们放弃六大块的古博施纳普而只放小狗吗？
And the answer is yes.
答案是肯定的。
But if you are the guy who owns the six megagoops of schlockendock, you're maybe not gonna give it up for puppies.
但如果你是拥有六块巨型schlockendock的人，你可能不会为了小狗而放弃它。
No. It's a foreign concept to want to go way far off the beaten path.
不。想要远离人迹罕至的地方是一个外国概念。
The Puppy Channel is way off the beaten path.
小狗频道远离人迹罕至的地方。
It has no people.
它没有人。
It has no talk.
它没有说话。
Usually when you describe this, you do mention that there would be no talk, and that seems to be a big part of what you liked about the idea.
通常，当你描述这一点时，你会提到不会有任何谈话，这似乎是你喜欢这个想法的一个重要部分。
Why do you think that is?
你认为这是为什么？
Why were you so interested in a channel where nobody talked?
为什么您对一个没有人说话的频道如此感兴趣？
Having a human being in the picture talking about what the puppies were doing, or talking about something, struck me as against the concept originally of just having a quiet place on television that was all relaxing, all comfort, all easy and pleasure-giving in a very, very low-key way.
画面中的一个人正在谈论小狗正在做什么，或者正在谈论某事，这让我震惊，这与最初在电视上拥有一个安静的地方的概念相反，它以一种非常非常低调的方式放松、舒适、轻松和愉悦。
One person my father talked to characterized the Puppy Channel as the antidote to television.
与我父亲交谈的一个人将小狗频道描述为电视的解药。
And in the end, I think that's probably why it never worked out.
最后，我认为这可能就是它从未成功的原因。
My dad hadn't just imagined a new cable network.
我父亲不仅仅是想象出一个新的有线网络。
He'd imagined a new way to think about what television can be.
他设想了一种思考电视的新方式。
What you'd get from watching the Puppy Channel would be very different than what you get watching the Food Network or QVC.
观看 Puppy Channel 所得到的内容与观看 Food Network 或 QVC 所得到的内容有很大不同。
Or Law and Order, for that matter.
或者法律与秩序，就此而言。
In his business plan, along with all the spreadsheets and financial outlines, under the section titled "Vision," it says only "to make television more helpful." And under "Mission," "to help people relax and feel better."
在他的商业计划以及所有电子表格和财务概要中，标题为“愿景”的部分只说“让电视更有帮助”。在“使命”下，“帮助人们放松并感觉更好”。
My father conceived of the Puppy Channel as a refuge from regular TV.
我父亲将小狗频道视为远离普通电视的避难所。
But implicit in this notion is the idea that regular TV is something you need a refuge from.
但这个概念中隐含的想法是，你需要逃避常规电视节目。
And that's a tough sell to the people who make it.
对于制造它的人来说，这是一个很难接受的事情。
After five years of hard work, my father decided to pull the plug.
经过五年的努力，父亲决定终止这一事业。
I'm just going to put it out there and say I think the world wasn't ready for the Puppy Channel.
我只是想把它放在那里并说我认为世界还没有准备好迎接小狗频道。
If there were 1,000 television channels, the Puppy Channel might be in there.
如果有 1,000 个电视频道，小狗频道可能就在其中。
If there were 600 television channels regularly being sent out by the satellites, the Puppy Channel might be there.
如果卫星定期发送 600 个电视频道，小狗频道可能就在那里。
There's a number where the puppy generally fits in.
有一个数字适合小狗。
We just don't know what that number is.
我们只是不知道那个数字是多少。
When we find out what that number is I'll be there with my dad.
当我们知道那个数字是多少时，我会和我爸爸一起去那里。
And we'll be singing this song.
我们将唱这首歌。
Take us out, Dad.
带我们出去吧，爸爸。
[singing] I love the little puppies, pretty little puppies.
[唱歌]我喜欢这些小小狗，漂亮的小小狗。
I love the little puppies on the Puppy Channel, every little pup on TV.
我喜欢小狗频道上的小小狗，电视上的每只小狗。
Since we first broadcast this story back in 2003 we have obviously seen the incredible demand for cute puppy videos on YouTube.
自从我们在 2003 年首次播出这个故事以来，我们显然已经看到 YouTube 上对可爱小狗视频的巨大需求。
There's the Puppy Bowl on Animal Planet.
动物星球上有小狗碗。
There is Dog TV, a channel intended to be watched by dogs.
有 Dog TV，一个供狗观看的频道。
Molly's dad, Dan FitzSimons, died in 2016, but obviously was far ahead of his time.
莫莉 (Molly) 的父亲丹·菲茨西蒙斯 (Dan FitzSimons) 于 2016 年去世，但显然远远超前于他的时代。
Molly says that he delighted in the fact that his idea, a cozy corner of the world for watching puppies, caught in the act of being cute, flourished in all these other forms.
莫莉说，他很高兴他的想法——一个舒适的世界角落来观看小狗的可爱行为——以所有其他形式蓬勃发展。
[MUSIC - "NOTHING FROM NOTHING BY BILLY PRESTON]
[音乐 - 比利·普雷斯顿的《无中生有》]
Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
无中生有，一无所有。
You gotta have something if you wanna be with me.
如果你想和我在一起，你就得有一些东西。
Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
无中生有，一无所有。
You gotta have something if you're gonna be with me.
如果你想和我在一起，你就得有一些东西。
Act two.
第二幕。
Making money the old-fashioned way.
用老办法赚钱。
Well, now we bring you the story of someone who starts from scratch every single day with next to nothing, and tries to build it up to something.
好吧，现在我们为您带来一个故事：一个人每天从零开始，几乎一无所有，并试图将其建立起来。
Mary Beth Kirchner tells the story.
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔讲述了这个故事。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Every day Joe plays this game.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：乔每天都玩这个游戏。
He starts with enough small bills to make change-- lots of fives and ones-- then the clock starts.
他首先准备了足够的小额钞票来找零——很多五元和一元——然后时钟开始计时。
It's 1:30 in the morning.
现在是凌晨 1 点 30 分。
I go out with almost nothing in my pocket in the morning.
早上我出门时口袋里几乎什么都没有。
And sometimes I end up with thousands.
有时我最终会得到数千个。
Sometimes I end up broke at the end of the day.
有时我最终会破产。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: So how much do you have in your pocket today?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：那么你今天口袋里有多少钱？
I got $32 in my pocket today.
今天我口袋里有 32 美元。
By six o'clock I should have at least a couple hundred bucks.
到六点钟我应该至少有几百块钱了。
And you know, I take it from there.
你知道，我是从那里开始的。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: By 6:00 AM, he means.
（主持人）MARY BETH KIRCHNER：他的意思是早上 6:00 之前。
Joe, who doesn't want me to use his last name, drives a super stretch limousine in Las Vegas.
乔不想让我使用他的姓氏，他在拉斯维加斯驾驶着一辆超加长的豪华轿车。
Joe says he prefers starting in the middle of the night.
乔说他更喜欢在半夜开始。
Doesn't like crowds or traffic.
不喜欢人群或交通。
Here's how his game works.
这是他的游戏的运作方式。
By driving his limo to and from the airport mostly, Joe slowly earns enough-- a few hundred dollars-- to play blackjack in the casino.
乔主要靠驾驶豪华轿车往返机场，慢慢赚到足够的钱——几百美元——在赌场玩二十一点。
And then pretty much the sky's the limit.
然后几乎没有极限。
Sometimes I end up with 10 grand, you know?
有时我最终会得到 10 格兰德，你知道吗？
One time I started out with like 32 bucks or $33--
有一次我一开始只花了 32 美元或 33 美元——
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Like today.
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：就像今天一样。
Like today.
就像今天一样。
And I wound up with $84,000 at the Gold Coast.
我最终在黄金海岸赚到了 84,000 美元。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: $84,000?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：84,000 美元？
$84,000.
84,000 美元。
Mary Beth Kirchner (INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: How do you turn 32--
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔 (Mary Beth Kirchner)（采访者） 玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔 (Mary Beth Kirchner)：你怎么就到了 32 岁了——
I try and build it up to like $1,000, then I play with the $1,000.
我尝试将其增加到 1,000 美元左右，然后我就用这 1,000 美元进行游戏。
I build it up to three, four, and then you get on a run.
我把它增加到三、四，然后你就开始跑步。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe is a bit of a legend in Las Vegas gambling circles.
（主持人）玛丽·贝斯·基什纳：乔是拉斯维加斯赌博界的传奇人物。
I'd heard about him from a pawnbroker south of the strip who said Joe was a regular customer who came every month for about a year.
我从大道以南的一位当铺老板那里听说过他，他说乔是常客，每个月都会来，持续了大约一年。
Among the stories he told me, which led me to Joe, that he'd never worked a day in his life.
在他告诉我的故事中，让我找到了乔，他一生中从未工作过一天。
That he lived only on a trust fund until he was 50, controlled by his father who despised his love of gambling.
他直到 50 岁都靠信托基金生活，该基金由他的父亲控制，而父亲鄙视他对赌博的热爱。
On his 50th birthday, the legend went, Joe inherited six million.
传说乔在 50 岁生日那天继承了 600 万遗产。
He instantly spent the first million on a house.
他立即花掉了第一百万买了房子。
The remaining five he gambled away.
剩下的五个，他都赌光了。
It took him five hours.
他花了五个小时。
Joe says not true, but based on the truth.
乔说的不是真的，但基于事实。
He did inherit millions of dollars from his family, and did lose a big piece of it gambling.
他确实从家人那里继承了数百万美元，但也确实在赌博中损失了一大笔。
But over years.
但多年来。
Not hours.
不是小时。
People tell me, oh, look at the kind of life you lead.
人们告诉我，哦，看看你过着什么样的生活。
I mean, one day I could have a million dollars.
我的意思是，有一天我可以拥有一百万美元。
The next day I'd be broke.
第二天我就破产了。
But I love it.
但我喜欢它。
I love the action.
我喜欢这个动作。
I love the adrenaline.
我喜欢肾上腺素。
I get an adrenaline rush from it.
我从中得到肾上腺素的激增。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: One day you have a million dollars and the next day you're broke?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：有一天你拥有一百万美元，第二天你就破产了？
Is that an exaggeration, or really--
是夸张了，还是真的——
No. It's not an exaggeration.
不，这并不夸张。
I mean, I had days where I went in and I won-- like at the horseshoe I won $680,000.
我的意思是，我也曾有过参加比赛并获胜的日子——就像在马蹄铁赛中我赢得了 680,000 美元。
I started the day out with like 50 bucks in my pocket.
我口袋里有大约 50 美元，开始了新的一天。
And I went out and I bought two homes with some of the money.
我出去用一些钱买了两栋房子。
Then I ended up losing the other money.
然后我就输掉了剩下的钱。
Then I needed money so I borrowed on the houses.
然后我需要钱，所以我借了房子。
And then I lost the houses.
然后我就失去了房子。
I couldn't pay.
我付不起钱。
I go up and down.
我上下走动。
It's like a roller coaster.
这就像过山车。
But I really enjoy doing it.
但我真的很喜欢这样做。
You know?
你知道？
I think without it I'll just wilt away and die.
我想如果没有它我就会枯萎死去。
See, this is one of the hotels.
看，这是其中一间酒店。
The Barbary Coast won't let me in.
巴巴里海岸不让我进去。
If I go in there and sit down for two minutes they'll tell me to get up and leave.
如果我进去坐两分钟，他们就会叫我起身离开。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe has a long history of winning big at the casinos.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：乔在赌场赢大钱的历史由来已久。
So much so, and this is clearly true, about a dozen of them in Las Vegas have kicked him out.
如此之多，这显然是事实，拉斯维加斯大约有十几个人把他赶了出去。
He says most of them think he cheats.
他说大多数人都认为他作弊。
Nobody could be that lucky, they say.
他们说，没有人能那么幸运。
Among the places where he's still allowed to play, none wanted their names mentioned, or would allow me to record in their casinos today.
在他仍然被允许玩牌的地方中，没有人愿意提及他们的名字，也没有人允许我今天在他们的赌场里录音。
So we were limited to taping outdoors, where most of Joe's game happens anyway.
所以我们只能在户外进行录制，而乔的大部分比赛都是在那里进行的。
Sometimes you'll stand here for like half hour and nobody will come out.
有时你会在这里站半个小时，却没有人出来。
But as soon as they come out to take a cab I approach them.
但他们一出来打车，我就走过去。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: First stop.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：第一站。
His favorite nameless hotel and casino, where the doorman lets him approach potential customers from the circular driveway out front.
他最喜欢的无名酒店和赌场，门童让他从前面的环形车道接近潜在的顾客。
Joe tips the doorman for each ride he gets, so he gives Joe first dibs on every person who walks out the door.
乔每次乘车都会给门卫小费，因此他让乔优先接待每个走出门的人。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: With the approval of the doorman, lots of people say yes.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：经过门卫的批准，很多人都同意了。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: It's 2:00 AM, with our first $15 coming in.
（主持人）MARY BETH KIRCHNER：现在是凌晨 2:00，我们的第一笔 15 美元到了。
Joe says he started waking up at these hours when he worked in New York operating vending machines and coffee carts, gambling in Atlantic City on weekends.
乔说，当他在纽约经营自动售货机和咖啡车、周末在大西洋城赌博时，他就开始在这些时间起床。
There, too, he says most of the casinos kicked him out.
他说，在那里，大多数赌场也把他赶了出去。
By the time he came to Vegas 14 years ago, he says he was ready to retire, but he gambled full-time for the first eight years he was here.
14 年前，当他来到维加斯时，他说自己已经准备好退休了，但在来到这里的头八年里，他一直在全职赌博。
Well, he's not a dishonest man by no means.
嗯，他绝不是一个不诚实的人。
But, you know, he is an opportunist.
但是，你知道，他是一个机会主义者。
He's the type of guy if there's an opportunity for him to, you know, work the odds or make a dollar he'll make ten.
他是那种只要有机会，你知道，碰碰运气或者赚一美元他就能赚十美元的人。
He's one of them guys.
他是其中之一。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: George-- please don't mention my full name, either, or where I work-- is a casino manager in one of the few places where Joe now plays.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：乔治——请不要提及我的全名，或者我工作的地方——是一名赌场经理，是乔现在玩的少数几个地方之一。
We met in an empty hotel ballroom, far from the casino floor.
我们在一个空荡荡的酒店宴会厅见面，远离赌场楼层。
They think he counts cards.
他们认为他会数牌。
He doesn't.
他不知道。
He's very good at knowing when the deck goes cold-- when there's not a chance of winning.
他非常擅长知道牌组什么时候变冷——什么时候没有获胜的机会。
If I would own a casino and have 1,000 Joes walking around in my casino I'd be out of business in short order.
如果我拥有一家赌场，并且有 1,000 个人在我的赌场里走来走去，我很快就会倒闭。
Well, maybe not.
嗯，也许不是。
Joe walks away with his winnings, but then he always comes back for more play.
乔带着奖金走开，但随后他总是会回来玩更多游戏。
And that combination, George says, does to Joe what it does to everyone.
乔治说，这种结合对乔的影响就像对每个人的影响一样。
I see the numbers.
我看到了数字。
There's not a player in this place, like in any casino I've ever been in, that has won more than they lost.
在这个地方，没有一个玩家像我曾经去过的任何赌场一样，赢的比输的多。
Never?
绝不？
George I'd say never, when you see the cumulative numbers.
乔治，当你看到累计数字时，我会说永远不会。
And that's one reason why Joe is driving a limo.
这就是乔驾驶豪华轿车的原因之一。
If these guys are going to a strip club that would be great.
如果这些家伙要去脱衣舞俱乐部那就太好了。
That's $100.
那是 100 美元。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: 5:00 AM, and we've got $180.
（主持人）MARY BETH KIRCHNER：凌晨 5:00，我们有 180 美元。
Where are you guys going to?
你们要去哪里？
Mary Beth Kirchner (HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe has his eye on a group of guys who've clearly been out on the town for most of the night.
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔（玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔）（主持人） 玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：乔关注的是一群显然在镇上待了大半夜的人。
Whoo!
呼！
Mary Beth Kirchner (HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe's hoping these four are looking to go to a strip club, because he gets a kickback of $20 a person.
Mary Beth Kirchner（主持人） MARY BETH KIRCHNER：乔希望这四个人去脱衣舞俱乐部，因为他每人能得到 20 美元的回扣。
Are you guys having fun?
你们玩得开心吗？
Man We planned it.
伙计，我们计划好了。
Turn the radio up.
把收音机开大。
You want the radio on?
你想打开收音机吗？
Radio is optional.
收音机是可选的。
It's more money.
这是更多的钱。
I got anything you want, as long as you got money.
只要你有钱，你想要什么我都有。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe tells me he also takes guys to the brothels a half hour drive from Las Vegas, and collects even more.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：乔告诉我，他还带男人去距离拉斯维加斯半小时车程的妓院，并收集更多。
[men singing]
[男人唱歌]
We take people out there and we usually get 30.
我们带人去那里，通常会带 30 个人。
Now for the holidays they're doing 40% of what the person spends.
现在，他们在假期里花费的钱是人们花费的 40%。
If a person spends $1,000 we get $400 kickback for bringing them out there.
如果一个人花费 1,000 美元，我们会因为带他们出去而获得 400 美元的回扣。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Now, what do you mean, "for the holidays?"
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：现在，“假期”是什么意思？
Till December.
直到十二月。
They're doing like a special.
他们的表现就像一个特别的人。
Instead of 30% they're giving us another 10%.
他们不再给我们 30%，而是给了我们另外 10%。
Because I have pictures of everything in my trunk.
因为我的行李箱里有所有东西的照片。
I have a menu also.
我也有菜单。
They have a menu of all the stuff you could do.
他们有一个菜单，列出了您可以做的所有事情。
Yeah, I love Vegas!
是的，我爱维加斯！
Mary Beth Kirchner (HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: As we drive, the stories keep coming.
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔（玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔）（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：当我们开车时，故事不断涌现。
There was the day Joe won big at the race track and flew to London on the Concorde just for dinner.
有一天，乔在赛道上大获全胜，并乘坐协和式飞机飞往伦敦吃晚饭。
Or the two-day stretch he was playing $20,000 a hand at the Hilton, and walked away with over a million dollars.
或者他在希尔顿酒店玩了两天，每手牌下注 20,000 美元，最后赢走了超过 100 万美元。
These kinds of stories can't be confirmed, but I wanted to believe them.
这些故事无法得到证实，但我愿意相信它们。
So he offered to show me what's in his trunk.
于是他主动提出让我看看他的行李箱里有什么。
See this?
看到这个了吗？
This is about a half a million dollars in markers right here.
这里的标记大约价值五十万美元。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe hands me a three-inch stack of receipts from casinos all over town totaling about a half million dollars.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：乔递给我一叠三英寸厚的收据，来自全城赌场，总计约 50 万美元。
Evidence, he says, he wants me to see that these can't all be lies.
他说，有证据，他想让我看到这些不可能都是谎言。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: And what are those 20,000?
（采访者）Mary Beth Kirchner：那 20,000 人是什么？
Yeah.
是的。
They loaned me $20,000 to sit and play with.
他们借给我 20,000 美元让我坐下来玩。
You know?
你知道？
If you lose you've got 30 days to pay it back.
如果你输了，你有 30 天的时间偿还。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: These are $20,000, $20,000.
（采访者） 玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：这些是 20,000 美元，20,000 美元。
Yeah, they're all like-- Mary Beth Kirchner (INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: $25,000.
是的，他们都像—— Mary Beth Kirchner（采访者） MARY BETH KIRCHNER：25,000 美元。
Yeah.
是的。
Mary Beth Kirchner (INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: And what's this?
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔（Mary Beth Kirchner）（采访者） 玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：这是什么？
This is my uncle in Forbes magazine.
这是《福布斯》杂志上我的叔叔。
He made like close to a billion dollars.
他赚了接近十亿美元。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: He's your uncle?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：他是你的叔叔？
Yeah.
是的。
That's my uncle.
那是我叔叔。
Mary Beth Kirchner (INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Billionaire?
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔（玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔）（采访者） 玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：亿万富翁？
Yeah.
是的。
Mary Beth Kirchner (HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Later when I look into it that story checks out, as does the one about his aunt, who Joe says sits on the board of the Metropolitan Opera in New York.
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔（主持人） 玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：后来当我调查此事时，这个故事得到了证实，关于他姨妈的故事也是如此，乔说她是纽约大都会歌剧院的董事会成员。
He says she's the one who bails him out when he gets over his head in debt.
他说，当他负债累累时，她是那个拯救他的人。
Joe admits he's the black sheep in the family.
乔承认他是家里的害群之马。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: How much did they give you?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：他们给了你多少钱？
$41.
41 美元。
Mary Beth Kirchner (HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: It's 7:30 AM and we're up to $350 from the run to the strip club, and five trips to the airport.
Mary Beth Kirchner（主持人） MARY BETH KIRCHNER：现在是早上 7:30，我们从跑步到脱衣舞俱乐部以及前往机场的 5 次行程中花费了 350 美元。
And we just keep going around and around.
我们只是不停地转来转去。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: There's a brief lull.
（采访者） MARY BETH KIRCHNER： 有一个短暂的平静期。
Joe says it's time to go into the casino.
乔说是时候去赌场了。
I'm gonna go play a little blackjack.
我要去玩一点二十一点。
The only thing is I don't know if they're gonna let you--
唯一的问题是我不知道他们是否会让你——
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Of course they're not.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：当然不是。
They won't.
他们不会。
Mary Beth Kirchner (INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: The casino won't let me record his play, of course, but I watch.
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔（玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔）（采访者） 玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：赌场当然不会让我录制他的比赛，但我会观看。
I'm going to play with $100 now.
我现在要玩100美元。
I'm making $50 or $60 in like 15 minutes, or less.
我在 15 分钟或更短的时间内就赚了 50 美元或 60 美元。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe sits in front of a woman dealer with an empty table.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：乔坐在一位女经销商面前，桌子空着。
And he's got that look, almost like a drinker who bellies up to a bar every night.
他的样子就像一个每晚到酒吧喝得酩酊大醉的酒鬼。
Like he belongs there.
就像他属于那里一样。
He signals the woman for cards and chips in quick short-cut hand signals.
他用快速快捷的手势示意那位女士要牌和筹码。
Each hand takes less than a minute.
每手牌耗时不到一分钟。
He plays a few, and easily wins his $60 in 10 minutes or less.
他玩了几次，并在 10 分钟或更短的时间内轻松赢得了 60 美元。
Before I know it we're out again.
在我意识到之前我们又出去了。
8 AM with $410.
上午 8 点，410 美元。
He says it's getting to be peak time for airport runs.
他说现在是机场运行的高峰时间。
See now it gets busy, so I don't have a chance to get to really go in and gamble because I'm, you know-- As long as I keep the cash coming in.
现在看，它变得很忙，所以我没有机会真正参与赌博，因为我，你知道 - 只要我保持现金进来。
If it's slow I supplement it with gambling.
如果速度慢的话我就用赌博来补充。
If it's not I just, you know.
如果不是我的话，你知道的。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: But you wouldn't rather be gambling?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：但你不想赌博？
I'd rather be working.
我宁愿去工作。
Mary Beth Kirchner (INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Really?
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔（采访者） 玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔： 真的吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Mary Beth Kirchner (INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: What happened to your feeling about the gambling?
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔（玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔）（采访者） 玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：您对赌博的感觉发生了什么变化？
I just do it to, you know-- because I'm so hyper I have to have something to do.
我这样做只是为了，你知道——因为我太亢奋了，我必须有事可做。
I used to sit-- like I was at the Flamingo one time, and I had about $40,000 in chips in front of me.
我过去常常坐着——就像有一次在 Flamingo 一样，我面前摆着大约 40,000 美元的筹码。
And I was playing like $2,000 a hand.
我每手牌的赌注是 2,000 美元。
And I told the doorman if you get a good ride, like to a golf course, come and get me.
我告诉门卫，如果你能顺利乘车，比如去高尔夫球场，就来接我。
So it was like a $75--
所以这就像 75 美元——
Anyway, he came up to the table, and he told me I got a ride for $75.
不管怎样，他走到桌边，告诉我搭车的价格是 75 美元。
And people in the pit, they all think I'm nuts.
而坑里的人，他们都认为我疯了。
I just stopped.
我刚刚停下来。
I left, took my money, and I ran down to take a guy for $75.
我离开了，拿了我的钱，然后跑下去找一个人，花 75 美元。
And here I am playing two grand a head.
在这里我正在玩两个大头。
And I try and separate the two.
我尝试将两者分开。
One has nothing to do with the other, you know?
一个与另一个无关，你知道吗？
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: I don't understand that.
（采访者） MARY BETH KIRCHNER： 我不明白这一点。
Nobody does.
没有人这样做。
But that's how I am.
但我就是这样。
You know?
你知道？
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: But do you understand that?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：但是你明白吗？
Just gambling to me is gambling.
赌博对我来说就是赌博。
Work is work.
工作就是工作。
You know?
你知道？
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: 10:00 AM, and we've got $650.
（采访者）MARY BETH KIRCHNER：上午 10:00，我们有 650 美元。
We've had three more airport runs, and the last customer just gave him a $25 tip.
我们又跑了三次机场，最后一位顾客只给了他 25 美元的小费。
Only in America.
仅在美国。
Mary Beth Kirchner (INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: But Joe says today his game is subdued compared to the past.
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔（玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔）（采访者） 玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：但是乔说，今天他的比赛与过去相比有所减弱。
At age 54 he's had some heart trouble, and that's changed the stakes.
54 岁时，他患有一些心脏病，这改变了赌注。
A year ago his daughter was home from college, and noticed he didn't look well and called for an ambulance.
一年前，他的女儿从大学回家，发现他看起来不太好，就叫了救护车。
Joe was having a heart attack.
乔心脏病发作。
It was pretty scary just to see him in-- I think he might have been in a casino but I'm not there.
光是看到他就很可怕——我想他可能在赌场里，但我不在那儿。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: I guess that's enough to really get your heart rate up.
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：我想这足以让你的心率真正加快。
Yeah.
是的。
If you ask me, I think he probably was, but he never told me for sure.
如果你问我，我想他可能是，但他从未明确告诉过我。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe's daughter knew what she was doing.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：乔的女儿知道她在做什么。
She's studying to be a doctor in medical school in the Middle East.
她正在中东医学院学习成为一名医生。
I talked with her via her cell phone while she was working at a hospital in some remote spot in Israel.
当她在以色列某个偏远地区的一家医院工作时，我通过她的手机与她交谈。
She asked that I not use her name.
她要求我不要使用她的名字。
Not even her first name.
连她的名字都没有。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: What did you tell your friends your dad did?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：你告诉你的朋友你父亲做了什么？
Now or when I was growing up?
现在还是我长大的时候？
Because now even I don't-- only a few people in my class really know, of my good friends even.
因为现在连我自己都不知道——班上只有少数人真正知道，甚至包括我的好朋友。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: What did you tell them then?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：然后你告诉他们什么了？
Then I would say, well, he's not really doing anything now, but he has real estate in New York.
然后我会说，好吧，他现在并没有真正做任何事情，但他在纽约有房地产。
And sometimes I just make things up.
有时我只是编造一些事情。
I'd say he's a chef.
我想说他是一名厨师。
But it was always funny, because it was a running joke between me and my dad that when I was growing up I couldn't tell people, because nobody else had a dad like that.
但这总是很有趣，因为这是我和我父亲之间流传的一个笑话，当我长大时，我不能告诉别人，因为没有其他人有这样的父亲。
And so I felt like they would either not believe me, or I would sound ridiculous.
所以我觉得他们要么不相信我，要么我听起来很可笑。
And they just wouldn't understand.
他们就是不明白。
But he had never had a problem with me saying to anyone what he does is that he gambles.
但他从来不反对我对任何人说他所做的就是赌博。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: When Joe moved to Las Vegas, his daughter was just entering high school.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：当乔搬到拉斯维加斯时，他的女儿刚刚进入高中。
He raised her practically as a single parent, starting from the time she was born, when his ex-wife had a breakdown.
从她出生时起，他就以单亲身份抚养她，当时他的前妻精神崩溃了。
It wasn't until they moved to Las Vegas that she says she really understood just how much her father gambled.
直到他们搬到拉斯维加斯，她说她才真正了解她父亲赌博的程度。
I guess what always blew me away in the beginning is we would walk in and everybody would know him.
我想一开始总是让我震惊的是我们走进去，每个人都会认识他。
And they would know me too, because he would talk about me.
他们也会认识我，因为他会谈论我。
And I would say to him, how do these people know you?
我会对他说，这些人怎么认识你的？
I was amazed by that.
我对此感到惊讶。
And they would joke with him, and they'd say, are you back again?
他们会和他开玩笑，他们会说，你又回来了吗？
And they'd say, well, what do you need today?
他们会说，好吧，你今天需要什么？
Because he would go in sometimes and he'd say I need a pool today.
因为他有时会进去说我今天需要一个游泳池。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: How much money does it take to build a pool?
（采访者）MARY BETH KIRCHNER：建一个游泳池需要多少钱？
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: How long did that take?
（采访者） MARY BETH KIRCHNER： 这花了多长时间？
Literally 10 minutes, maybe.
大概是 10 分钟吧。
One, two, three.
一二三。
And that was it.
就是这样。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: But as much as she knows her dad's wins, she remembers the times when they were broke.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：尽管她知道她父亲的胜利，但她仍然记得他们破产的时候。
Really broke.
真的断了。
We would have to search for quarters on the floor.
我们必须在地板上寻找住所。
And my uncle-- this was really funny-- to buy a hamburger, or something like that.
我叔叔——这真的很有趣——买了一个汉堡包，或者类似的东西。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Search for quarters on the floor in your uncle's--
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：在你叔叔家的地板上寻找宿舍——
Yeah.
是的。
He would search.
他会寻找。
We would pick them up.
我们会接他们。
And I would go and get a hamburger.
我会去买一个汉堡。
But that was in the very beginning.
但那是在一开始的时候。
I mean, even when things are really bad he can always find a way out of it.
我的意思是，即使事情非常糟糕，他也总能找到摆脱困境的方法。
And even I would be amazed.
甚至我也会感到惊讶。
Because I would say to him, there's no way-- that how are you gonna do that?
因为我会对他说，没办法——你要怎么做呢？
And he'd say, don't worry.
他会说，别担心。
We'll find a way.
我们会找到办法的。
And there was always a way.
总有办法的。
And he can just laugh about it.
他可以对此一笑置之。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: It's noon, and Joe has $1,100.
（主持人）MARY BETH KIRCHNER：现在是中午，Joe 有 1,100 美元。
The limo business has been steady for hours.
豪华轿车业务几个小时以来一直保持稳定。
It's a good time for business, but Joe wants to take a break to call his daughter.
现在正是做生意的好时机，但乔想休息一下，给女儿打电话。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: It's late night in Israel.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：以色列已经是深夜了。
He just wants to hear about her day.
他只是想听听她今天的情况。
Hi, honey.
嗨，亲爱的。
It's me.
这就是我。
I just called to say hi.
我只是打电话打个招呼。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: So what's happened since your daughter is gone?
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：那么您女儿去世后发生了什么？
Well, that's when I started to work.
嗯，那是我开始工作的时候。
I never worked while she was here.
她在这里的时候我从来没有工作过。
This like filled up my void, maybe, in a way.
也许，在某种程度上，这填补了我的空白。
[INAUDIBLE] just think about it.
[听不清]想想吧。
I miss her so much.
我非常想念她。
When I see her it's like-- it's the greatest feeling in the world.
当我看到她时，感觉就像——这是世界上最美妙的感觉。
And we're at the airport now.
我们现在在机场。
This is zero level.
这是零水平。
I'm going to go upstairs and see how busy it is-- if people are looking for rooms.
我要去楼上看看有多忙——是否有人在找房间。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: It's 1:30 PM and we're up to $1,300.
（主持人）MARY BETH KIRCHNER：现在是下午 1:30，我们的金额还剩 1,300 美元。
We've just dropped off yet another ride at the airport.
我们刚刚又在机场下车了。
And for a little variety, Joe says he's going to show me how he also sells hotel rooms.
为了增加一点变化，乔说他将向我展示他如何销售酒店房间。
These are hotel rooms the casinos give him for free because he gambles so much.
这些是赌场免费给他提供的酒店房间，因为他赌博太多。
So I got to make it seem like I'm just walking casual.
所以我必须让自己看起来像是在随意行走。
[whistling]
[吹口哨]
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe's carefully checking out a middle-aged couple in shorts and tennis shoes.
（主持人）玛丽·贝斯·基什纳：乔正在仔细观察一对穿着短裤和网球鞋的中年夫妇。
Just as he's about to approach them-- [phone ringing]-- we're interrupted.
正当他正要接近他们时——[电话铃声]——我们被打断了。
Hi.
你好。
This is Joe.
这是乔。
Oh.
哦。
How you doing, Dave?
你好吗，戴夫？
What's up?
这是怎么回事？
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: A lucrative job has come up.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：一份利润丰厚的工作出现了。
He says some high roller wants to charter his limo for three hours.
他说一些豪赌客想租用他的豪华轿车三个小时。
For three hours?
三个小时？
Did you tell him it's $75 an hour, though?
不过你告诉他每小时 75 美元了吗？
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: Joe says these guys are seldom big tippers, but it's worth the gamble.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：乔说这些人很少给小费，但这是值得的。
This customer-- a handsome, mid-thirties Middle Easterner-- says no recording, please.
这位顾客是一位三十多岁的英俊中东人，他说请不要录音。
So Joe tells me to take a break, and he'll catch up with me when he's done.
所以乔让我休息一下，等他完成后他会来找我。
Since my family lost their homes when the Jews took over Israel--
自从犹太人占领以色列后我的家人就失去了家园——
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: It's 5:00 PM, and I have no idea how much money Joe has.
（主持人）MARY BETH KIRCHNER：现在是下午 5:00，我不知道 Joe 有多少钱。
When we reconnect he looks exhausted, but hyped up.
当我们重新联系时，他看起来很疲惫，但很兴奋。
Since I left him he's finished with the charter, been to the casino to gamble, where he won $500.
自从我离开他后，他就结束了租约，去赌场赌博，赢了 500 美元。
But there's more.
但还有更多。
He's anxious to tell me about how he's ended the day.
他急于告诉我他是如何结束这一天的。
(INTERVIEWER) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: So tell me this again.
（采访者）玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：请再告诉我一遍。
So this guy at the end of the day-- you thought this was gonna be the end of the day.
所以这个人在一天结束时——你以为这会是一天的结束。
I just asked him-- I asked him-- I said to him, where are you from?
我只是问他——我问他——我对他说，你来自哪里？
So he says, Lebanon.
所以他说，黎巴嫩。
And I said, oh, I speak Arabic.
我说，哦，我说阿拉伯语。
I said, I was born in Baghdad.
我说，我出生在巴格达。
I was really born in Baghdad, Iraq.
我确实出生在伊拉克巴格达。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: What Joe didn't tell the guy is that he's Jewish.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：乔没有告诉这个人的是他是犹太人。
I said, are you Muslim?
我说，你是穆斯林吗？
He says, yes.
他说，是的。
Yes.
是的。
I said, oh, those Jews-- I said, what they're doing is terrible to the Palestinians.
我说，哦，那些犹太人——我说，他们所做的事情对巴勒斯坦人来说是可怕的。
And then he just-- his adrenaline just started going.
然后他的肾上腺素开始上升。
He wanted to go out with me tonight.
今晚他想和我出去。
He wanted to hire the car for five hours tonight.
他想今晚租五个小时的车。
And then I said, no. I said, I'm too tired.
然后我说，不。我说，我太累了。
So he says, well, I'll call you tomorrow.
所以他说，好吧，我明天给你打电话。
I said, fine.
我说，好吧。
He's like buddy-buddy.
他就像好朋友一样。
But he gave me 500 bucks.
但他给了我500块钱。
I said, all right.
我说，好吧。
That's what I call a perfect day.
这就是我所说的完美的一天。
You go out with like 32 bucks, you go home with two grand.
你出去的时候带了32块钱，回家的时候带了2块钱。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: As we take off, Joe's still hanging on to today's winnings in a wad of bills, folded up like it's a double cheeseburger in one of his hands on the steering wheel.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什纳：当我们起飞时，乔仍然握着今天赢得的一叠钞票，折叠起来，就像他放在方向盘上的一只手握着一个双层芝士汉堡一样。
$230 he gave me as a tip, which is not bad.
他给了我230美元作为小费，这还不错。
(HOST) MARY BETH KIRCHNER: But think of it.
（主持人）玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔：但是想一想。
If Joe just worked five days a week, making $2,000 a day, and never lost it back, that'd be a half million dollars a year.
如果乔每周工作五天，每天赚 2,000 美元，而且永远不会损失，那么一年就赚了 50 万美元。
Mary Beth Kirchner lives in Washington, DC.
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔住在华盛顿特区。
Coming up, when the creator of the universe starts from scratch.
即将到来，当宇宙的创造者从头开始。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
This American Life.
这美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, and bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，并为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program-- Starting from Scratch.
今天的节目——从头开始。
Stories of people starting over, with all the vulnerability and rawness that comes with starting from nothing.
人们重新开始的故事，伴随着从无到有的脆弱和原始。
We've arrived at Act Three.
我们已经到了第三幕了。
The first starting from scratch.
第一个从头开始。
Well, before there was money, or gambling, or TV, or puppies, or even the idea of before, there was this story about when everything started from scratch.
好吧，在有金钱、赌博、电视、小狗，甚至之前的想法之前，有一个关于一切从头开始的故事。
Here's Jonathan Goldstein.
请听乔纳森·戈德斯坦的报道。
In the beginning, when Adam was first created, he spent whole days rubbing his face in the grass.
起初，亚当刚被创造出来时，他整天在草地上擦脸。
He picked his ear until it bled.
他掏耳朵直到流血。
Tried to fit his fist in his mouth.
试图将拳头放入嘴中。
And yanked out tufts of his own hair.
还扯下了自己的一缕头发。
At one point, he tried to pinch his own eyes out in order to examine them.
有一次，他试图掐出自己的眼睛来检查。
And God had to step in.
神必须介入。
Looking down at Adam, God must have felt a bit weird about the whole thing.
上帝低头看着亚当，一定对这整件事感到有点奇怪。
It must have been something like eating at a cafeteria table all by yourself, when a stranger suddenly sits down opposite you.
这一定就像你一个人在自助餐厅的餐桌上吃饭，突然一个陌生人坐在你对面。
But it's a stranger who you have created.
但这是你创造的一个陌生人。
And he is eating a macaroni salad that you've also created.
他正在吃你也做的通心粉沙拉。
And you have been sitting at the table all by yourself for over 100 billion years.
而你独自坐在餐桌旁已经超过 1000 亿年了。
And yet still, you have nothing to talk about.
然而，你们仍然无话可说。
It was pitiful the way Adam looked up into the sky and squinted.
亚当抬头看着天空，眯起眼睛的样子很可怜。
Before he created Adam, God must have been lonely.
在创造亚当之前，上帝必定是孤独的。
Now he was still lonely.
现在他依然孤独。
And so was Adam.
亚当也是如此。
Then came Eve.
然后夏娃来了。
Since the Garden of Eden was the very first village, and since every village needs a mayor as well as a village idiot, it broke down in this way.
由于伊甸园是第一个村庄，而且每个村庄都需要一个村长和一个村白痴，所以它就这样崩溃了。
Eve.
前夕。
Mayor.
市长。
Adam.
亚当.
Village idiot.
村里的白痴。
And that is the way it was from the very beginning.
从一开始就是这样。
Sometimes when Adam would start to speak Eve would get all hopeful that he was about to impart something important and smart.
有时，当亚当开始说话时，夏娃会满怀希望，认为他即将传授一些重要而聪明的东西。
But he would only say stuff like, little things are really great, because you can put them in your hand as well as in your mouth.
但他只会说，小东西真的很棒，因为你可以把它们放在手里，也可以放在嘴里。
Eve would ponder how one minute she was not there or anywhere, and now she was.
夏娃会想，前一分钟她不在那儿，也不在任何地方，而现在她却出现了。
Adam would ponder nothing.
亚当不会思考任何事情。
In her dreams Eve danced in the tops of trees.
夏娃在梦中在树顶跳舞。
Her beautiful thoughts flew out of her ears and lit up the sky like fireflies.
美丽的思绪从耳边飞出，像萤火虫一样照亮了天空。
And there were all kinds of people to talk to and hug.
这里有各种各样的人可以交谈和拥抱。
And then she would hear snoring.
然后她就会听到鼾声。
She would wake up and there would be Adam, his yokel face pressed right against hers.
她会醒来，发现亚当就在那里，他乡巴佬的脸紧贴着她的脸。
His dog food breath blowing right up her nostrils.
他的狗粮气息直接吹进了她的鼻孔。
Eve stared up at the sky.
伊芙抬头看着天空。
Adam draped his arm across her chest, and brought his knee up onto her stomach.
亚当将手臂搭在她的胸前，膝盖顶在她的肚子上。
God, watching in heaven, feared for Adam's broken heart as though the whole universe depended on it.
上帝在天上注视着，为亚当破碎的心担心，仿佛整个宇宙都依赖于此。
Adam was close to the animals and spent all day talking to them.
亚当和动物很亲近，整天和它们说话。
Except for God, Eve had no one.
除了上帝之外，夏娃没有其他人。
She would complain to the Lord any chance she got.
只要一有机会，她就会向主抱怨。
Adam is a nimrod, she would say.
她会说，亚当是一个尼姆罗德。
And the Lord would remain silent.
主会保持沉默。
God was the best and all that, and she loved the hell out of him.
上帝是最好的，她爱他如痴如醉。
But when it came to trash talk, he was of no use.
但说到垃圾话，他就没啥用了。
Adam was constantly trying to impress her.
亚当不断地试图给她留下深刻的印象。
Look what I have made, he said one bright morning, his hands cupped together.
看看我做了什么，一个阳光明媚的早晨，他双手合十说道。
Eve looked into his hands.
伊芙看着他的双手。
She pulled away and shrieked.
她退开并尖叫起来。
Adam was holding giraffe feces.
亚当手里拿着长颈鹿的粪便。
I've sculpted it, said Adam.
我已经雕刻了它，亚当说。
It is for the Lord.
这是为了主。
He opened his hands wide to reveal to her a tiny little giraffe with a crooked neck.
他张开双手，向她展示了一只脖子弯曲的小长颈鹿。
On some days Adam galloped about exploring.
有时，亚当会驰骋探索。
His hair was wiry, and when it got sweaty it hung down in his eyes.
他的头发又硬又硬，出汗的时候头发就垂到眼睛里。
Adam was cute this way.
亚当这样很可爱。
On one such day he saw a snake.
有一天，他看到了一条蛇。
Adam made the snake's acquaintance by accidentally stepping on his back.
亚当无意中踩到蛇的背，认识了蛇。
Wow, that's smart, said the snake through gritted teeth.
哇，真聪明，蛇咬牙切齿地说。
Their eyes locked.
他们的目光锁定。
And in that very moment the snake concluded that, indeed, Adam was a lummox.
就在那一刻，蛇得出结论，亚当确实是个笨蛋。
And that as king of the Earth, his reign would very soon end.
作为地球之王，他的统治很快就会结束。
There was a new sheriff in town, and it was he.
镇上来了一位新警长，就是他。
It was no longer the story of Adam, but the story of the snake.
这不再是亚当的故事，而是蛇的故事。
He could tell all of this just by simply looking into his idiot eyes.
这一切，只要看着他那双白痴的眼睛，他就知道了。
I've seen you around with another one like you, he said to Adam.
我见过你和另一个像你一样的人，他对亚当说。
But instead of the dead legless snake between the legs she has chaos there.
但她两腿之间没有死无腿的蛇，而是一片混乱。
That's Eve, said Adam, all animated.
那是夏娃，亚当兴奋地说。
I named her that myself.
我自己给她起了这个名字。
God made her from out of my rib.
上帝用我的肋骨创造了她。
He showed the snake the scar on his side.
他给蛇看了他身边的伤疤。
The snake looked at him in silence.
蛇沉默地看着他。
The idea of Adam-- Adam the shlemiel, Adam the fool-- being God's favorite was enough to give the snake a migraine.
亚当——施利米尔亚当、愚者亚当——成为上帝的最爱的想法足以让蛇感到偏头痛。
You weren't at all like I imagined, the snake said.
“你根本不像我想象的那样，”蛇说。
I thought you'd be closer to the ground.
我以为你会更接近地面。
More pliant.
更加柔顺。
Greener.
更环保。
I tried to explain to God that to make you balanced up on your hind legs was architecturally unsound.
我试图向上帝解释，让你用后腿保持平衡在结构上是不健全的。
I don't know why I bother.
我不知道我为什么要烦恼。
Adam sat and listened wide-eyed.
亚当坐下来，睁大眼睛听着。
Eve hadn't the patience to sit and chat like this.
伊芙可没有耐心这样坐下来聊天。
So when the snake suggested they get into the habit of meeting every once in a while to talk Adam was very excited to do so.
因此，当蛇建议他们养成偶尔见面交谈的习惯时，亚当非常兴奋。
As they lazed on their backs staring up at the sky the snake would brag about how he was older than the whole world, and that he used to pal around with God in the dark back before creation.
当他们懒洋洋地仰面仰望天空时，蛇会吹嘘自己比整个世界都古老，并且在创世之前他曾在黑暗中与上帝交往。
He said that in the darkness, it was a truer, freer air time.
他说，在黑暗中，这是更真实、更自由的空中时光。
That in the darkness was the good old days.
那是在黑暗中的美好时光。
He told Adam that back in the very beginning he had all kinds of thoughts on how to make the Garden of Eden a better place, but that God was just too stubborn to listen to reason.
他告诉亚当，一开始他有各种各样的想法如何让伊甸园变得更美好，但上帝太固执，不听理性。
Make the earth out of sugar, I told him.
用糖造地球，我告诉他。
Instead of stingers, give bees lips they can kiss you with.
不要给蜜蜂毒刺，而是给蜜蜂可以用来亲吻你的嘴唇。
Adam didn't always agree with the snake.
亚当并不总是同意蛇的观点。
In fact, a lot of what the snake said went straight over his head.
事实上，蛇说的很多话都直接超出了他的理解范围。
But there was still something about him that made him get into a very particular mood.
但他身上仍然有某种东西让他陷入一种非常特殊的情绪。
He made the world feel bigger.
他让世界感觉更广阔。
Sometimes when Adam was with Eve, sitting there in icy silence, he would think to himself, I sure could go for a good dose of snake.
有时，当亚当和夏娃在一起，冷冷地沉默地坐在那里时，他会心里想，我当然可以吃一大剂量的蛇。
You would think that after all the time they spent together the snake would finally find it within himself to start liking Adam just a little bit.
你可能会认为，在他们在一起度过了这么多时间之后，蛇终于发现自己开始有点喜欢亚当了。
But instead, he only grew to hate him more.
但相反，他只是更加恨他。
He took to comforting himself with thoughts of Adam's wife, Eve.
他开始用亚当的妻子夏娃来安慰自己。
From what he heard from Adam, she was hot and smart.
从亚当那里听来，她很性感，也很聪明。
Often he would imagine running into her, and the instant synergy they would have.
他常常会想象偶遇她，以及他们瞬间产生的协同效应。
Adam neglected to tell me how leggy you are, he would say, wrapping himself around her calf.
亚当没有告诉我你有多长腿，他一边说，一边搂着她的小腿。
The snake had no idea what he looked like.
蛇不知道他长什么样子。
He was hairless, bucktoothed, four inches tall, and he spoke with a lisp.
他没有毛发，龅牙，身高四英寸，说话口齿不清。
Adam had the IQ of a coconut husk, but he was still human.
亚当的智商相当于椰子壳，但他仍然是人类。
The snake, in his arrogance, was unable to grasp this, and so he daydreamed.
蛇的傲慢无法理解这一点，所以他开始做白日梦。
Sometimes I think you were watching me, the snake imagine saying to Eve, because I felt like there were ribbons wrapped around me.
有时我觉得你在看着我，蛇想象着对夏娃说，因为我感觉有丝带缠绕着我。
Ribbons made of raw pork intestines.
用生猪肠制成的丝带。
I would turn around to catch you sneaking a peek at me from behind a tree, but all I'd see were the hedgehogs which mocked me.
我会转身发现你在树后偷看我，但我看到的只是刺猬在嘲笑我。
Come my dear.
来吧，亲爱的。
Let us eat from the tree of knowledge.
让我们吃知识树上的果子吧。
On Eve's very first day Adam explained to her the rules of the garden just the way God had explained them to him.
在夏娃出生的第一天，亚当就按照上帝向他解释的方式向她解释了伊甸园的规则。
He had lifted his head up and had made his back stiff.
他抬起头，背部僵硬。
He had spoken the way a radio broadcaster from the 1940s would.
他说话的方式就像 20 世纪 40 年代的广播电台播音员一样。
Another kind of woman-- someone softer than Eve-- might have found this charming.
另一种女人——比夏娃更温柔的女人——可能会觉得这很迷人。
He explained that except for the tree of knowledge every tree in the garden was theirs to eat from.
他解释说，除了知识树之外，花园里的每一棵树都是他们的食物。
I am a fan of the pear, Adam said.
“我是梨子的粉丝，”亚当说。
It is not unlike an apple whose head craves God.
这就像一颗渴望上帝的苹果一样。
Tell me more about this tree of knowledge, said Eve.
告诉我更多关于这棵知识树的信息，夏娃说。
She enjoyed the sound of it-- the tree of knowledge.
她喜欢它的声音——知识之树。
It sounded very poetic.
听起来很有诗意。
There's not much to tell, said Adam.
没什么可说的，亚当说。
If we eat from it we will die.
如果我们吃了它，我们就会死。
From then on Eve talked about the tree of knowledge all the time.
从那时起，夏娃就一直谈论知识树。
It was tree of knowledge this, and tree of knowledge that.
这个是知识树，那个是知识树。
It's like it wasn't a tree at all, but a movie star.
就好像它根本不是一棵树，而是一个电影明星。
Sometimes she would just stand by the tree and stare at it.
有时她只是站在树旁凝视着它。
It was on such an occasion that she met the snake.
就在这样的一个场合，她遇见了蛇。
When Eve first caught sight of him she brought her hand to her mouth and gasped.
当夏娃第一次看到他时，她把手放到嘴边，喘了口气。
She had seen some repulsive animals in her day.
她小时候见过一些令人厌恶的动物。
A booby that percolated her vomit to just beneath her tonsils.
一个鲣鸟将她的呕吐物渗透到扁桃体下方。
A dingo that instilled in her a sublime sense of nature's cruelty.
一只野狗让她对大自然的残酷产生了崇高的认识。
And a deathwatch beetle that filled her with existential dread.
还有一只守望甲虫，让她充满了存在的恐惧。
But still, there was something about the snake that made her realize in a flash that the world was anywhere from 60% to 80% oilier than she would have ever imagined.
但尽管如此，这条蛇身上的某些东西让她立刻意识到这个世界比她想象的要多 60% 到 80%。
Hi, said the snake.
嗨，蛇说。
In the mood for some fruit of knowledge?
想获得一些知识成果吗？
It's fruity.
它是果味的。
We were told not to eat from that tree or else we would die, said Eve.
夏娃说，我们被告知不要吃那棵树上的果子，否则我们就会死。
Die?
死？
What an ignorant thing to say, said the snake, all chewing on a blade of grass on the side of his mouth.
蛇一边嚼着嘴边的一片草叶，一边说道，这真是无知的话。
If there is an escape hatch from paradise then it isn't really paradise, is it?
如果天堂有逃生口，那么它就不是真正的天堂，不是吗？
The snake made interesting points.
蛇提出了有趣的观点。
That appealed to Eve.
这对夏娃很有吸引力。
He could see he was making an impression.
他看得出来他给人留下了深刻的印象。
All I'm saying is to give it a try.
我所说的只是尝试一下。
Many things will be made immediately clear to you once you partake.
一旦你参与了，很多事情就会立即变得清晰起来。
I could talk about it all day and you still won't get it.
我可以整天谈论它，但你仍然不明白。
You have a right to at least try it, right?
你至少有权利尝试一下，对吧？
I'm not saying go out and eat an entire fruit.
我并不是说出去吃整个水果。
Have a nibble.
咬一口。
A nibble isn't really eating, is it?
咬一口并不是真正的吃东西，是吗？
Eve found arguing semantics exhilarating.
夏娃发现争论语义令人兴奋。
She looked at the tree.
她看着那棵树。
The way the sun shined through its leaves was beautiful.
阳光透过树叶照射下来的样子很美丽。
Everything seemed to point to nibble the fruit.
一切似乎都指向蚕食果实。
Then the snake said, think about it.
然后蛇说，你想一想。
Does God want companions who can think for themselves, or does he want a bunch of lackeys and yes men?
上帝想要的是能够独立思考的同伴，还是想要一群走狗和唯唯诺诺的人？
Wouldn't God want a few surprises?
难道上帝不想给我们一些惊喜吗？
It would seem to me that God's telling you not to eat the fruit was just a test to see if you could think for yourselves, to see if you could exist as equals to God.
在我看来，上帝告诉你不要吃那果子只是一个考验，看看你是否能独立思考，看看你是否能与上帝平等地存在。
The day you taste the fruit is the day God will no longer be lonely.
当你尝到果子的那一天，上帝就不再孤独了。
At least give it a lick.
至少舔一下吧。
Eve looked at the fruit, then she looked at the snake.
夏娃看了看水果，又看了看蛇。
Then, slowly, she parted her lips and pushed out her tongue-- all wet, and warm, and uncertain.
然后，她慢慢地张开嘴唇，伸出舌头——舌头湿漉漉的，温暖的，但又不确定。
She ran its tip along the smooth flesh of the fruit.
她用尖头抚摸光滑的果肉。
The snake smiled.
蛇笑了。
Has anyone died?
有人死了吗？
he asked.
他问道。
Now take a tiny little nibble.
现在咬一小口。
Just a speck.
只是一个斑点。
Just to see.
只是为了看看。
The fruit was squishy and tart.
水果又软又酸。
She smushed it around in her mouth.
她把它塞进嘴里。
She squinted her eyes.
她眯起眼睛。
It was a bit like trying on new glasses.
这有点像试戴新眼镜。
It was a bit like an amylnitrate popper.
它有点像硝酸戊酯波普尔。
It was a bit like a big wet kiss on the lips, right at first when you weren't sure if you wanted to be kissed or not.
这有点像嘴唇上的一个湿吻，一开始你不确定自己是否想被吻。
She felt 1,000 little feet kicking at her uterus.
她感觉有一千只小脚在踢她的子宫。
The idea of her own nudity, as well as Adam's, had always felt more like a Nordic coed health spa thing.
她自己和亚当的裸体的想法一直感觉更像是北欧男女混合健康水疗的事情。
Now, with the fruit of knowledge, it felt more like a Rio de Janeiro carnival thing.
现在，有了知识的果实，感觉更像是里约热内卢的狂欢节。
Her breasts felt like water balloons filled with blueberry jam and birds.
她的乳房感觉就像装满蓝莓果酱和鸟儿的水气球。
Her nipples were like lit matchsticks.
她的乳头就像点燃的火柴一样。
Her thighs, the way they squished against each other, were like scissors cutting through velour.
她的大腿，它们相互挤压的方式，就像剪刀剪断丝绒一样。
With her lips still glistening in tree of knowledge fruit juice, she ran off to find Adam.
她的嘴唇还沾着知识树果汁的光芒，跑去找亚当。
The snake watched her as he chewed on his slimy blade of grass.
当蛇咀嚼着粘糊糊的草叶时，蛇看着她。
And as she receded into the distance, he thought something along the lines of, now that's what I'm talking about.
当她退到远方时，他想到了类似的事情，这就是我所说的。
Kiss me Adam, said Eve.
亚当，吻我吧，夏娃说。
Taste my lips.
尝尝我的嘴唇。
Adam, like any lummox truly worth his salt, could smell the minutest trace of knowledge coming his way.
亚当，就像任何真正称职的笨蛋一样，能够嗅到他身上最细微的知识痕迹。
And thus, he knew how to avoid it like the plague.
因此，他知道如何像躲避瘟疫一样避免它。
But yet, there was also this.
但是，还有这个。
Eve had never sought him out in the middle of the day before just to kiss him.
夏娃以前从来没有在中午去找过他，只是为了亲吻他。
It felt like a very lucky thing.
感觉这是一件非常幸运的事情。
When he took her in his arms he told her that he loved her with his whole entire heart.
当他把她抱在怀里时，他告诉她，他全心全意地爱着她。
He closed his eyes tightly and brought his lips to hers.
他紧紧闭上眼睛，将嘴唇凑到她的唇上。
Then he squinted.
然后他眯起眼睛。
Then it started to rain, and Eve began to cry.
然后天开始下雨，夏娃开始哭泣。
During the darkest days ahead, with the fratricides and whatnot, Adam would often think back to his brief time in Eden.
在未来最黑暗的日子里，伴随着兄弟相残之类的事情，亚当经常回想起他在伊甸园的短暂时光。
As he became an old man, he would talk about the garden more and more.
当他老了，他会越来越多地谈论花园。
A couple of times he had even tried to find his way back there, but he very soon became lost.
有几次他甚至试图找到回去的路，但很快就迷路了。
He didn't try too hard anyway.
反正他也没有太努力。
He didn't want to bother God any more than he already had.
他不想再打扰上帝了。
When Adam met someone that he really liked, he would say, I so wish you could have been there.
当亚当遇到他真正喜欢的人时，他会说，我真希望你能在场。
It didn't seem fair to him that he was the one that got to be in Eden.
对他来说，他是那个能进入伊甸园的人，这似乎不公平。
This sunset isn't bad, he'd say.
他会说，这个日落还不错。
But the sunsets in Eden, they burned your nose hairs.
但伊甸园的日落，却烧焦了你的鼻毛。
They made your ears bleed.
他们让你的耳朵流血。
He couldn't even explain it right.
他甚至无法正确解释。
When you ate the fruit in Eden it was like eating God, he would say.
他会说，当你吃伊甸园的果子时，就像吃上帝一样。
And God was delicious.
上帝很美味。
When you wanted him you just grabbed him.
当你想要他的时候，你就抓住他。
Now when he ate fruit he can only taste what was not there.
现在，当他吃水果时，他只能尝到不存在的东西。
But it wasn't all bad.
但这也不全是坏事。
After Eden Eve became much gentler with Adam.
伊甸园之后，夏娃对亚当变得更加温和了。
After getting them both cast out she decided to try as hard as she could to give Adam her love.
在把他们都赶出去后，她决定尽自己最大的努力给亚当她的爱。
She knew it was the very least she could do.
她知道这是她至少能做的。
She sometimes even wondered if that was why God had sent the snake to her in the first place.
有时她甚至想知道这是否就是上帝最初把蛇送给她的原因。
Adam would tell his grandkids, his great-grandkids, and his great-great-grandkids about how he and Nana Eve had spent their early days in a beautiful garden naked and frolicking.
亚当会告诉他的孙子、曾孙和曾曾孙，他和娜娜·夏娃是如何在美丽的花园里赤身裸体嬉戏的。
And the kids would say, eww.
孩子们会说，呃。
The children would swarm into the house like a carpet of ants.
孩子们像蚂蚁一样涌进房子。
The youngest ones would head straight for Adam, lifting his shirt to examine his belly for the umpteenth time.
最小的孩子会径直走向亚当，无数次地掀起他的衬衫检查他的腹部。
They smoothed their hands across his flesh and marveled.
他们用手抚摸他的肉体，惊叹不已。
Where is grandpa's belly button?
爷爷的肚脐在哪里？
they all asked.
他们都问。
He stared at the children.
他盯着孩子们。
They were all his children.
他们都是他的孩子。
And as they slid their little hands across his blank stomach, he wondered what it was like to be a kid.
当他们的小手滑过他空荡荡的肚子时，他想知道小时候是什么感觉。
Jonathan Goldstein.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦。
This story appears in his book where he rewrites bible stories, called Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bible.
这个故事出现在他的书中，他重写了圣经故事，称为《女士们先生们，圣经》。
Jonathan is also the writer and host of the really wonderful podcast Heavyweight.
乔纳森也是精彩播客《重量级》的作者和主持人。
Our program was produced today by Wendy Dorr and myself with Alex Blumberg, Diane Cook, David Kestenbaum, and Starlee Kine.
今天我们的节目由温迪·多尔和我本人以及亚历克斯·布隆伯格、黛安·库克、大卫·凯斯滕鲍姆和斯塔莉·凯恩共同制作。
Production help for today's show from Todd Bachmann, Jane Marie, Aaron Scott, and Alvin Melathe.
Todd Bachmann、Jane Marie、Aaron Scott 和 Alvin Melathe 为今天的节目提供了制作帮助。
Mixing help today from Katherine Rae Mondo.
今天由 Katherine Rae Mondo 提供混合帮助。
Our technical director is Matt Tierney.
我们的技术总监是马特·蒂尔尼。
Special thanks today to Mr. George [?
今天特别感谢乔治先生[？
Lara.
拉拉。
?] Thanks also to Kevin Scully, Dave [INAUDIBLE], and Tony Mancini.
？] 还要感谢 Kevin Scully、Dave [听不清] 和 Tony Mancini。
Some of the funding for Mary Beth Kirchner's story about the gambler came from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting's radio fund.
玛丽·贝丝·基什内尔关于赌徒的故事的部分资金来自公共广播公司的广播基金。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can listen to any of our over 600 shows for absolutely free.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费收听我们 600 多个节目中的任何一个。
Or if you want to download those shows you can get our app.
或者，如果您想下载这些节目，您可以获取我们的应用程序。
This American Life is distributed by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 发行。
Thanks, as always, to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia, who got all angry this week when I told him that we were going to be putting a story about puppies onto the Public Radio satellite.
一如既往地感谢我们节目的联合创始人 Torey Malatia 先生，本周当我告诉他我们将在公共广播卫星上播放一个关于小狗的故事时，他非常生气。
You'd ask us to give up six megaschlucks of gooberschnapp to put just puppies on there?
你会要求我们放弃六杯大酒，只放小狗吗？
Well, yeah.
嗯，是的。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。