230: Come Back to Afghanistan - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass I don't know if you've seen this guy Hamid Karzai, the President of Afghanistan, on TV, heard him on the radio, but that is one charming man.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 我不知道你是否在电视上见过阿富汗总统哈米德·卡尔扎伊，在广播中听到过他，但他是一个很有魅力的人。
A year ago this week, in January 2002-- not long after the Taliban were driven from power in Afghanistan-- he came to the United States, partly to be on hand for the State of the Union address last year.
一年前的这个星期，也就是 2002 年 1 月，塔利班在阿富汗被赶下台后不久，他来到美国，部分原因是为了出席去年的国情咨文演讲。
And while he was here, he spoke with an audience that was mostly Afghan-Americans at Georgetown University.
当他在这里时，他向乔治城大学的听众发表了讲话，其中大部分是阿富汗裔美国人。
And he said to them, in Pashto and then in English, come back.
他用普什图语然后用英语对他们说，回来吧。
Come back to Afghanistan.
回到阿富汗吧。
He directed this especially to the young people.
他特别针对年轻人提出了这一点。
Work hard.
努力工作。
Learn well.
好好学习。
Study well, and make money.
好好学习，好好赚钱。
Bring it to Afghanistan.
把它带到阿富汗。
He grinned at the audience.
他对观众微笑。
Then read from this card that had been handed to him with a question on it.
然后读一下递给他的这张卡片，上面有一个问题。
OK, specifically, how would you suggest the younger generation of Afghans living in US-- OK.
好的，具体来说，您对生活在美国的年轻一代阿富汗人有什么建议——好的。
Specifically, your areas in which you have studied.
具体来说，就是你所学习的领域。
Those of you who have gone through university and have acquired degrees in various fields-- medicine, engineering, computers, management, banking, business administration, all that.
你们中那些读过大学并获得各个领域学位的人——医学、工程、计算机、管理、银行、工商管理等等。
These are the areas-- statistics, by the way.
顺便说一句，这些都是统计领域。
We need that very much.
我们非常需要这个。
Accounting, auditing.
会计、审计。
So do come.
所以一定要来。
In addition to that, if somebody wants to be the president, she or he is also welcome.
除此之外，如果有人想当总统，她或他也是受欢迎的。
So all are welcome.
所以欢迎大家。
Afghanistan had been at work for 22 years.
阿富汗已经工作了 22 年。
There were the Soviets, then the ten-year fight to expel them.
先是苏联人，然后是为驱逐他们而进行的十年斗争。
Then the war between the Afghans.
然后是阿富汗人之间的战争。
Then the Taliban took over.
然后塔利班接管了。
As a result, an entire generation of Afghans has grown up in the United States.
结果，整整一代阿富汗人在美国长大。
Teenagers today who are much more American than they are Afghan.
今天的青少年比阿富汗人更美国人化。
Many of them have never seen their country.
他们中的许多人从未见过自己的国家。
And it's possible that the very first teenager to take Hamid Karzai's invitation to heart and return to Afghanistan was a 17-year-old from Northern California named Hyder Akbar.
第一个认真对待哈米德·卡尔扎伊的邀请并返回阿富汗的青少年可能是来自北加州的 17 岁男孩海德·阿克巴尔 (Hyder Akbar)。
And, as luck would have it, before he went, he met a radio producer named Susan Burton, and she urged him to take a tape recorder along on the trip.
幸运的是，在他出发之前，他遇到了一位名叫苏珊·伯顿的广播制作人，她敦促他在旅途中携带一台录音机。
Well, today we feel lucky to bring you the recordings that he made.
好吧，今天我们很幸运为您带来他制作的录音。
As you'll hear, Hyder's father had moved back to Afghanistan-- months before Hyder went-- to work for Hamid Karzai in the new government of the country.
正如您将听到的那样，海德的父亲在海德离开之前几个月就搬回了阿富汗，在该国新政府中为哈米德·卡尔扎伊工作。
And because of his father's position, which was pretty high up in the government, Hyder gets an insider's look at everything going on in the country.
由于他父亲在政府中的职位相当高，海德可以从内部人士的角度了解这个国家正在发生的一切。
It is a very unusual glimpse at a country that most of us still do not really have much sense of.
这是对一个我们大多数人仍然没有太多了解的国家的非常不寻常的一瞥。
Of course, this is This American Life from WBEZ Chicago, distributed by Public Radio International.
当然，这是芝加哥 WBEZ 的《美国生活》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
For most of our show today, you're going to be hearing the recordings that Hyder made himself.
在我们今天节目的大部分内容中，您将听到海德自己制作的录音。
But to give you a sense of who Hyder was before he went on his trip to Afghanistan, Susan Burton begins Hyder's story before the trip at his home in Concord, California.
但为了让您了解海德在前往阿富汗之前是谁，苏珊·伯顿在海德前往阿富汗之前在他位于加利福尼亚州康科德的家中开始了他的故事。
When Hyder goes to Barnes and Noble, the first thing he does with any new book they have in about Afghanistan is turn to the index and look up Kabul Radio.
当海德去巴诺书店时，他对任何有关阿富汗的新书所做的第一件事就是翻阅索引并查找喀布尔广播电台。
It's pretty much always in there, because on the night in 1979 when the Soviets took Kabul, they stormed two places.
它几乎总是在那里，因为 1979 年苏联占领喀布尔的那个晚上，他们猛攻了两个地方。
One was the palace and the other was Kabul Radio.
一个是宫殿，另一个是喀布尔广播电台。
Kabul Radio was headed by Hyder's dad.
喀布尔广播电台由海德的父亲领导。
During the years of the resistance, Hyder's dad had two close friends.
在抵抗时期，海德的父亲有两个亲密的朋友。
One was Hamid Karzai, now the President of Afghanistan, and the other was a legendary commander named Abdul Haq.
一位是现任阿富汗总统哈米德·卡尔扎伊，另一位是传奇指挥官阿卜杜勒·哈克。
After he looks up Kabul Radio, the next thing Hyder looks up in any book is always Abdul Haq.
在海德查找喀布尔电台后，他在任何书中查找的下一个总是阿卜杜勒·哈克。
In his favorite book, Soldiers of God by Robert D.
在他最喜欢的书《上帝的士兵》中，罗伯特·D.
Kaplan, there's an entire chapter, chapter five, completely and totally devoted to Abdul Haq.
卡普兰，有一整章，第五章，完全致力于阿卜杜勒·哈克。
One time Hyder told his mother what Kaplan said about Abdul Haq's headquarters in Peshawar.
有一次，海德告诉他的母亲卡普兰关于阿卜杜勒·哈克位于白沙瓦的总部的说法。
And then he describes how he went into his office, and how he was always busy, and he had one hand on the phone, another one looking at some maps.
然后他描述了他如何走进办公室，以及他如何总是很忙，他一只手放在电话上，另一只手看着一些地图。
And you always felt like you were wasting time when you were [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
当你[难以理解]时，你总是觉得自己在浪费时间。
And my mom was like, wait.
我妈妈说，等等。
He wasn't that busy.
他没那么忙。
He was at our house every single day.
他每天都来我们家。
Hyder's dad worked with the resistance.
海德的父亲与抵抗组织一起工作。
For years, Hyder didn't see his dad and didn't know his hero, Abdul Haq.
多年来，海德没有见到他的父亲，也不认识他的英雄阿卜杜勒·哈克。
When Abdul Haq suddenly showed up at the family's house in California a couple weeks before September 11, Hyder was speechless.
9 月 11 日之前几周，当阿卜杜勒·哈克 (Abdul Haq) 突然出现在加利福尼亚州的家里时，海德无言以对。
That day, Abdul Haq told Hyder's dad that he was scheming to topple the Taliban.
那天，阿卜杜勒·哈克告诉海德的父亲，他正密谋推翻塔利班。
Not long after September 11, he got in touch again.
9月11日后不久，他又联系上了。
He was going in.
他正要进去。
He was ready.
他已经准备好了。
Days after Abdul Haq snuck into Afghanistan, Hyder came home from school and found his mother crying in her bedroom.
阿卜杜勒·哈克潜入阿富汗几天后，海德放学回家，发现母亲在卧室里哭泣。
Abdul Haq had been captured and killed by the Taliban, shot with dozens of bullets, then hung from a tree.
阿卜杜勒·哈克 (Abdul Haq) 被塔利班抓获并杀死，中了数十颗子弹，然后吊在树上。
Hyder wrote about the execution in his current events journal at school the next day, and a teacher wrote a check mark, and then, in red ballpoint pen, "Sorry."
第二天，海德在学校的时事日记中写下了这次处决的情况，一位老师写了一个复选标记，然后用红色圆珠笔写下了“抱歉”。
Just weeks after Abdul Haq's death, the Taliban were defeated by the American forces.
阿卜杜勒·哈克死后仅几周，塔利班就被美军击败。
The next month, Hyder's dad had a long talk with his old friend Hamid Karzai, sold his business, and left for Afghanistan.
下个月，海德的父亲与他的老朋友哈米德·卡尔扎伊进行了一次长谈，卖掉了他的生意，然后前往阿富汗。
OK.
好的。
This is my room.
这是我的房间。
To the right is the TV, and I have a couple of video games and stuff like that.
右边是电视，我有一些电子游戏之类的东西。
When I first meet Hyder, he shows me around his house.
当我第一次见到海德时，他带我参观了他的房子。
We sit down in the living room and look at family photos, like a snapshot of Hamid Karzai at Disneyland maybe 20 years ago, baby-faced, standing next to Goofy.
我们坐在客厅里，看着家庭照片，就像 20 年前哈米德·卡尔扎伊 (Hamid Karzai) 在迪士尼乐园的快照，他长着一张娃娃脸，站在高飞旁边。
Well, this is an issue, September 1968, it's a National Geographic issue.
嗯，这是一个问题，1968 年 9 月，这是一个国家地理问题。
Hyder opens the old magazine, which he bid for off of Ebay, and shows me a favorite picture of Afghanistan.
海德打开了他从 eBay 上竞购的旧杂志，给我看了一张最喜欢的阿富汗照片。
Actually, I really, really, really like this picture.
其实我真的真的真的真的很喜欢这张照片。
This is more of the countryside of Afghanistan.
这更像是阿富汗的乡村。
And it's green, green grass and trees, and then there's just like blue, blue water flowing through.
这里有绿色的草和树，还有蓝色的水流过。
Yeah.
是的。
There's a shepherd here, and then there's a cow but I'm sure.
这里有一个牧羊人，还有一头牛，但我确定。
That house looks pretty neat, too.
那房子看起来也很整洁。
In the middle of the river, there's a rock, and there's a house built on top of it.
河中央有一块岩石，上面建着一座房子。
I don't know how he gets back to the land, But I think he would probably goes through these rocks or something.
我不知道他是如何回到陆地的，但我想他可能会穿过这些岩石之类的。
We look at the picture for so long that it starts to seem to me almost like a fairytale picture you can enter inside.
我们对这幅画看了很长时间，以至于在我看来，它几乎就像一幅可以进入其中的童话故事。
Like when the movie camera goes in for a closeup on a color plate in a storybook, and then all of a sudden, the wagons are rolling and the animals' tails are swishing in Dolby stereo, and the action is actually happening right there.
就像当电影摄影机在故事书中的彩片上拍摄特写镜头时，突然间，马车在滚动，动物的尾巴在杜比立体声中摆动，而动作实际上就在那里发生。
Before Hyder's dad left for Afghanistan, he owned a hip hop clothes store in Oakland.
在海德的父亲前往阿富汗之前，他在奥克兰拥有一家嘻哈服装店。
A few months ago, he was selling FUBU pants to teenagers.
几个月前，他向青少年出售 FUBU 裤子。
Now he spends his days with the people running Afghanistan.
现在，他与阿富汗人民一起度过了余生。
Hyder shows me a picture taken just a couple weeks before of his dad sitting near Karzai at a medieval-looking dining table in the palace in Kabul at a meeting about peacekeeping troops.
海德给我看了一张几周前拍摄的照片，照片中他的父亲坐在卡尔扎伊附近，坐在喀布尔宫殿一张中世纪风格的餐桌旁，参加一场有关维和部队的会议。
When I see this, I'm really, really happy for him.
当我看到这一点时，我真的非常非常为他感到高兴。
Because it's kind of like his dream.
因为这有点像他的梦想。
I could tell how bored and how frustrated he was living here, and having to just be at the store and just live everyday life.
我可以看出他住在这里是多么无聊和沮丧，不得不呆在商店里过着日常生活。
I remember for a couple years, my mom was telling him, don't even interact with people.
我记得有几年，我妈妈告诉他，甚至不要与人互动。
I think it's pretty much because he had lost hope.
我认为这很大程度上是因为他失去了希望。
It was weird.
很奇怪。
I mean, a lot of people have been effected by September 11, but like, our family's literally turned upside down.
我的意思是，到 9 月 11 日，很多人都受到了影响，但我们的家庭确实发生了翻天覆地的变化。
Even me.
甚至是我。
My whole plan of my life has changed.
我的整个人生计划都改变了。
Before September 11, Hyder thought he'd study business, maybe become a mortgage broker, like his older brother.
9 月 11 日之前，海德认为他会学习商业，也许会成为一名抵押贷款经纪人，就像他的哥哥一样。
But after, Hyder felt like he had found his mission in life.
但之后，海德觉得他找到了人生的使命。
He would do something big to help Afghanistan rebuild, like become a politician or an engineer.
他会做一些大事来帮助阿富汗重建，比如成为一名政治家或工程师。
The one problem was, all of his dreams took place in a country to which he'd never been.
唯一的问题是，他所有的梦想都发生在一个他从未去过的国家。
So he convinced his dad to let him join up with him in Afghanistan for the summer.
因此，他说服父亲让他和自己一起去阿富汗过暑假。
Like, I read a lot about it, and I learn a lot.
就像，我读了很多相关内容，也学到了很多东西。
By now I know a lot about it.
到现在我已经知道很多了。
But I've never visited it.
但我从来没有参观过它。
So that's another reason I really want to go.
这是我真的想去的另一个原因。
Because it's easy to talk, but then to actually do it is much harder, you know?
因为说起来容易，但真正做到却很难，你知道吗？
That's what my father was telling me, too.
我父亲也是这么告诉我的。
Right now it's easy to talk about going back, but once you have to, like, take a glass of water, cold water, and put it over your head, and that's how you take the shower, and on mountains, and you have like a biscuit in your hand, it's not as easy.
现在谈论回去很容易，但是一旦你必须，比如，拿一杯水，冷水，把它放在你的头上，这就是你洗澡的方式，在山上，你手里就像一块饼干，那就没那么容易了。
When your dad said that to you, was that kind of sobering?
当你父亲对你说这句话的时候，你是不是觉得很清醒？
No, it actually made me more hard-headed, and even want to go back even more, you know?
不，反而让我更加顽固，甚至更加想回去了，知道吗？
Just to prove it, and just to get the doubts out of my head.
只是为了证明这一点，只是为了消除我脑海中的疑虑。
It's almost like a test, you know?
这几乎就像一个测试，你知道吗？
I want to pass it.
我想通过它。
It's almost like a test on how much I can take.
这几乎就像是对我能承受多少的测试。
OK, on the test, or quiz, I should say--
好吧，在测试或测验中，我应该说——
There are a lot of Afghan kids at Hyder's high school, but he tries not to talk too much about his trip with them, or with anyone.
海德的高中有很多阿富汗孩子，但他尽量不与他们或任何人过多谈论他的旅行。
The whole thing means so much to him that it's difficult to explain.
整件事对他来说意义重大，很难解释。
On the day I visit his English class, the teacher shows the movie version of Frankenstein , and after, everyone's supposed to list five differences from the book.
在我去上他的英语课的那天，老师展示了电影版的《弗兰肯斯坦》，之后，每个人都应该列出与书中的五个不同之处。
But instead, everyone's just talking.
但相反，每个人都只是说说而已。
And a girl eating saltines one by one out of a package on her desk asks Hyder how come he's going, and if he's ever coming back.
一个女孩从桌子上的一包咸饼干中拿出一张一张地吃，问海德他怎么去，以及他是否还会回来。
Yeah, I'm coming back.
是的，我回来了。
But I don't know.
但我不知道。
It's a pretty long answer, so I really can't summarize it in--
这是一个很长的答案，所以我真的无法总结它 -
Hyder's friend Alex jumps in.
海德的朋友亚历克斯插了进来。
Alex He's really deep with his roots.
Alex 他的根基非常深厚。
Let's just say that.
就这么说吧。
He's going to get his education here, and then move back to Afghanistan and help rebuild it.
他将在这里接受教育，然后返回阿富汗帮助重建国家。
Really?
真的吗？
Wow!
哇！
That's cool.
这很酷。
That's a pretty good summary.
这是一个非常好的总结。
Oh, I'm his manager.
哦，我是他的经理。
Susan Burton Alex is not Afghan, but everyone calls him "Halfghan," because he can recite his cell phone number in Dari.
苏珊·伯顿·亚历克斯不是阿富汗人，但每个人都称他为“半个阿富汗人”，因为他能用达里语背诵自己的手机号码。
A lot of these kids saw a picture Hyder's father sent of Hamid Karzai sitting at his desk in the palace holding a satellite phone,.
这些孩子中的很多人都看到了海德父亲发来的一张哈米德·卡尔扎伊坐在宫殿办公桌前拿着卫星电话的照片。
And today they joke with Hyder about the various devices he might use to keep in touch with them over the summer.
今天，他们与海德开玩笑，谈论他在夏天可能会使用的各种设备来与他们保持联系。
Oh, you should get a two-way from here to Afghanistan.
哦，你应该从这里到阿富汗有两条路。
Why don't you bring a laptop?
你为什么不带笔记本电脑？
Wireless internet!
无线上网！
Yeah.
是的。
You'll be like, hey, Hyder, how's Afghanistan.
你会说，嘿，海德，阿富汗怎么样。
"I haven't seen her face yet, but."
“我还没见过她的脸，但是。”
"I haven't seen her face yet," the boy says.
“我还没有看到她的脸，”男孩说。
Hyder loves his friends, but says it's weird, because they're interested in all the regular stuff.
海德爱他的朋友，但他说这很奇怪，因为他们对所有常规的东西都感兴趣。
Girls, cars, different kinds of sneakers.
女孩、汽车、不同种类的运动鞋。
Where Hyder wishes that he could zoom ahead to being a grown up and moving back to Afghanistan.
海德希望他能长大成人并搬回阿富汗。
That's another thing.
那是另一回事了。
Unlike most of his friends and cousins, he doesn't feel American.
与他的大多数朋友和表兄弟不同，他并不觉得自己是美国人。
I do feel like somewhat of an outsider here.
我确实觉得自己在这里有点像个局外人。
It's really weird.
真的很奇怪。
I've never been in my own country.
我从未去过自己的国家。
I think that's one of the reasons I really want to go now, is just to see.
我想这就是我现在真正想去的原因之一，只是为了看看。
And I almost feel I have like an insecurity.
我几乎感觉自己有一种不安全感。
There's so much more that could have happened to me, you know?
我身上可能发生的事情还有很多，你知道吗？
If I wasn't so fortunate, I could have easily been growing up there right now.
如果我没有那么幸运，我现在很可能就在那里长大。
Growing up in a generation that literally doesn't know anything but war.
在除了战争之外一无所知的一代人中长大。
I think anything could happen to me and I would still almost always not try to complain about it, because of what Afghans have been through, especially in Afghanistan.
我认为任何事情都可能发生在我身上，但我几乎总是不会试图抱怨它，因为阿富汗人所经历的一切，尤其是在阿富汗。
Hyder's been toughening up for this trip.
海德一直在为这次旅行做好准备。
Before leaving for Afghanistan, his dad made a deal with him.
在前往阿富汗之前，他的父亲与他做了一笔交易。
If he wanted him to buy him a ticket, he had to lose weight.
如果他想让他给他买票，他就必须减肥。
Hyder started running on a treadmill in his garage wearing a sweatshirt, plus another shirt, plus a garbage bag, to help him sweat more.
海德开始在车库里的跑步机上跑步，穿着一件运动衫，再加上另一件衬衫，再加上一个垃圾袋，以帮助他多出汗。
In two months, he's lost 65 pounds.
两个月内，他减掉了 65 磅。
And there's another detail to take care of.
还有另一个细节需要注意。
The other day, my mom told me to make sure you get your shots before going to Afghanistan.
有一天，我妈妈告诉我在去阿富汗之前一定要注射疫苗。
And I actually don't want to take them.
我实际上不想接受它们。
Because I don't know, it kind of adds on more to the foreigner, an American, going to Afghanistan.
因为我不知道，这对外国人、美国人来说，去阿富汗会增加更多的感觉。
It might seem silly or childish or too much testosterone or whatever, but I just don't want to go in and get shots to make sure I don't get sick or malaria or anything.
这可能看起来很愚蠢或幼稚或睾丸激素过多或其他什么，但我只是不想进去注射以确保我不会生病或疟疾或其他任何东西。
Because my father never had to.
因为我父亲从来不需要这么做。
I'm kind of like, it's my own country.
我觉得，这是我自己的国家。
I'm just going to go in there.
我正要去那里。
I don't want them to think of me as a foreigner.
我不想让他们认为我是外国人。
Hyder's trip is just six weeks away.
距离海德的旅程只剩六周了。
He's hoping that instead of flying straight to Kabul, he can arrange to travel over the Khyber pass.
他希望能够安排穿越开伯尔山口，而不是直接飞往喀布尔。
That's the right way to do it, he says.
他说，这是正确的做法。
That's the way everyone's done it.
大家都是这么做的。
The Mongols, the British conquerors, the mujahideen.
蒙古人、英国征服者、圣战者。
He's planning what to pack-- traditional Afghan clothes, his books about Afghanistan, and batteries so that he can listen to his U2 CDs.
他正在计划要带什么东西——阿富汗传统服装、有关阿富汗的书籍，以及用来听 U2 CD 的电池。
He picks up the remote control for his stereo.
他拿起音响的遥控器。
You know, that's a pretty famous U2 song.
你知道，那是一首相当著名的 U2 歌曲。
It's the one they sing on top of the roof, "Where the Streets Have No Name." You know what I'm talking about?
这是他们在屋顶上唱的那首《街道无名之处》。你知道我在说什么吗？
Yeah.
是的。
It's hard to explain.
这很难解释。
I think it's in the CD player right now, so one sec.
我想它现在在 CD 播放器中，所以等一下。
Yeah.
是的。
And it's kind of like, when I picture that place, "Where the Streets Have No Name," I picture something like Afghanistan, you know?
这有点像，当我想象那个地方时，“街道没有名字的地方”，我想象的是像阿富汗这样的地方，你知道吗？
And I think it's a song, it's pretty much tired about how set and systematic the world is.
我认为这是一首歌，它对世界的固定和系统性感到非常厌倦。
Yeah.
是的。
Like, "I want to run, I want to hide, I want to tear down the walls that hold me inside." So it's kind of like at the point where I am right now.
就像，“我想逃跑，我想躲藏，我想推倒限制我的墙壁。”所以这有点像我现在的处境。
Just, I feel really-- held down.
只是，我真的感到——压抑。
[MUSIC - "WHERE THE STREETS HAVE NO NAME" BY U2]
[音乐 - U2 的《街道没有名字的地方》]
Before I leave, I show Hyder how to work the tape recorder he'll be taking to Afghanistan.
在我离开之前，我向海德展示了如何使用他将带到阿富汗的录音机。
Hello, hello.
你好，你好。
It's 8:40 in the morning, Monday, May 27.
现在是 5 月 27 日星期一早上 8:40。
And I'm leaving today.
我今天就要离开。
This is my last day here.
这是我在这里的最后一天。
I was listening to the radio the other day, and they had a funny commercial.
前几天我在听广播，他们有一个有趣的广告。
They're promoting some contest to go to a trip anywhere.
他们正在举办一些去任何地方旅行的比赛。
and they were naming all these countries.
他们正在命名所有这些国家。
Italy, France.
意大利、法国。
And then they're like, Afghanistan.
然后他们就像，阿富汗。
And then they started like, ha, they make like this funny music.
然后他们开始说，哈，他们创作了这种有趣的音乐。
And they're like, OK.
他们说，好吧。
Well, maybe not Afghanistan.
好吧，也许不是阿富汗。
And it just hit me as weird since I'm going there today.
自从我今天要去那里以来，这让我感到很奇怪。
I'm going today.
我今天就去
I just got done speaking to my dad about 15 minutes ago, and he confirmed that somebody's going to come and pick me up in Peshawar.
大约 15 分钟前我刚刚和我父亲谈完话，他确认有人会来白沙瓦接我。
I'll probably spend the night at a relative's house over there.
我可能会去那边亲戚家过夜。
And from there I'm going to drive to Kabul, which is like a six hour drive from Peshawar.
从那里我要开车去喀布尔，距离白沙瓦大约有六个小时的车程。
Then he told me to shave my goatee.
然后他叫我剃掉山羊胡。
So I'll go ahead and shave that.
所以我会继续刮胡子。
That's about it.
就是这样。
I'm just really, really excited.
我真的非常非常兴奋。
I just feel like going, "ahhhh!" I'm just really, really, really, really, really, really, really excited.
我只想“啊啊啊！”我真的，真的，真的，真的，真的，真的，真的很兴奋。
Signing off from San Francisco.
从旧金山出发。
Next recording you'll hear will probably be from Peshawar.
您将听到的下一个录音可能来自白沙瓦。
Goodbye.
再见。
Hello, hello?
喂，喂？
I'm actually on my way to Torkham right now, the border station between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
事实上，我现在正在前往阿富汗和巴基斯坦之间的边境站托克汉姆的路上。
I arrived at the house in Peshawar.
我到达了白沙瓦的房子。
I knew I had arrived when I saw an AK-47 in the living room, just lying up against the cabinet.
当我看到客厅里有一把 AK-47 就靠着柜子放着时，我就知道我已经到了。
Fully loaded and ready to go.
满载并准备出发。
I got stopped by police and got checked and everything.
我被警察拦住并接受检查等等。
Because they saw the microphone.
因为他们看到了麦克风。
But I turned it on really quick.
但我很快就把它打开了。
We're at the Kyber Pass right now, and it's pretty incredible.
我们现在就在 Kyber Pass，这真是令人难以置信。
There's two mountains down there.
那里有两座山。
It's right between mountain ridges.
它就在山脊之间。
I don't want to attract unwanted attention, but I am passing through the Khyber Pass right now.
我不想引起不必要的注意，但我现在正在穿过开伯尔山口。
This is the Khyber Pass.
这就是开伯尔山口。
So I was going through the Khyber Pass.
所以我正在穿越开伯尔山口。
And we reached Torkham, finally.
我们终于到达了托克汉姆。
I didn't really have that sense of wow, this is my country, you know?
我真的没有那种哇的感觉，这是我的国家，你知道吗？
I'm finally in Afganistan.
我终于到了阿富汗。
None of that kiss the ground stuff.
这些都没有亲吻地面的东西。
You know, I just saw a lot of poor kids running around, a lot of burkas, beards.
你知道，我刚刚看到很多可怜的孩子到处乱跑，穿着罩袍，留着胡子。
I felt like a total outsider.
我感觉自己完全是个局外人。
My dad kept on telling me, the road to Kabul is horrible.
我爸爸一直告诉我，去喀布尔的路很糟糕。
It's really bad.
真的很糟糕。
It's really bad.
真的很糟糕。
It's really been destroyed.
真的已经被毁掉了。
So I'm thinking, fine.
所以我想，好吧。
A bad road.
一条糟糕的路。
Potholes here and there.
到处都是坑洼。
A lot.
很多。
Probably have to slow down, go around them, et cetera.
可能必须放慢速度，绕过他们，等等。
No. I mean, he said road.
不，我是说，他说的是路。
This is the key was there.
这是关键。
So I was thinking there would be a road there.
所以我想那里会有一条路。
What he should have said is from Jalalabad to Kabul, there's no road.
他应该说的是从贾拉拉巴德到喀布尔，没有路。
I think my head probably hit the top of the car about like 30 times through the whole ride.
我想在整个旅程中我的头可能撞到车顶大约 30 次。
And towards the end of the trip, I was starting to get motion sickness, and I was feeling like I was going to throw up, and I was getting really sick and dizzy.
旅行快结束时，我开始晕车，感觉要吐了，而且我真的很恶心，头晕。
This whole place is so barren and so--
这整个地方是如此贫瘠，如此——
To tell you the truth, I kind of had regret for what I had done.
说实话，我对自己的所作所为有点后悔。
I was like, wow.
我当时想，哇。
You know, maybe I wasn't ready for this.
你知道，也许我还没有准备好。
I'm at the doorway of the Kabul Hotel right now.
我现在在喀布尔酒店门口。
We're actually invited somewhere for lunch.
我们实际上被邀请去某个地方吃午餐。
We're going to go there right now.
我们现在就要去那里。
[SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Hyder Akbar That's my dad.
[说外语] Hyder Akbar 那是我爸爸。
All right.
好的。
The hotel, Kabul Hotel.
酒店，喀布尔酒店。
Let me describe the hotel to you.
让我向您描述一下这家酒店。
Me and my dad, we're in same room.
我和我爸爸，我们在同一个房间。
It's a pretty small room.
这是一个相当小的房间。
There's two beds, a little, like, area where you can sit, balcony where probably like three people could stand.
有两张床，一个可以坐的小地方，一个阳台，大概可以站三个人。
There's actually a huge place where a missile had hit Kabul Hotel, and it's still like that, you know?
实际上有一个很大的地方，一枚导弹击中了喀布尔酒店，现在仍然是这样，你知道吗？
There's like this huge hole, all, like, four stories, on one side.
就像这个巨大的洞，一侧有四层楼。
And this is probably one of the nicest hotels here.
这可能是这里最好的酒店之一。
Hello, hello?
喂，喂？
I think it's my fourth day in Kabul.
我想这是我在喀布尔的第四天。
Anyway, I was just coming out of the bathroom after I cleaned myself for evening prayers, and I just heard a couple of rockets outside.
不管怎样，我刚从浴室里洗完澡准备晚间祈祷，就听到外面有几声火箭声。
I ran to the balcony real quick just to see what was going on.
我飞快地跑到阳台，想看看发生了什么事。
And everybody-- except for like a few people who jumped up, just trying to see where it was coming from-- the rest of the city was functioning pretty normal.
每个人——除了一些人跳起来，只是想看看它是从哪里来的——城市的其他地方都运转得相当正常。
It was pretty weird.
这很奇怪。
Let me ask my dad if he saw that too, that the whole city was pretty normal.
我问问我爸他是否也看到了，整个城市都很正常。
My dad, I think, listened to the news.
我想我父亲听到了这个消息。
[SPEAKING PASHTO]?
[说普什图语]？
Said Fazal Akbar [SPEAKING PASHTO]
法扎尔·阿克巴尔 (Said Fazal Akbar) [说普什图语]
[SPEAKING PASHTO] Said Fazal Akbar [SPEAKING PASHTO]
[讲普什图语] 法扎尔·阿克巴尔 (Fazal Akbar) 赛义德 [讲普什图语]
Yeah, my dad said the same thing.
是的，我爸爸也说过同样的话。
He said that everybody's just going about their own business.
他说每个人都忙着自己的事。
That's basically what he just said in Pashto.
这基本上就是他刚才用普什图语说的。
I've seen plenty of rockets here in Kabul.
我在喀布尔见过很多火箭。
I'm going to go do my evening prayers.
我要去做晚间祈祷。
Go downstairs.
下楼吧。
Today was a really interesting day.
今天真是有趣的一天。
I went to the palace today, and there was this incredible, like-- it was almost like going through a movie.
我今天去了皇宫，那真是令人难以置信，就像——几乎就像在看电影一样。
Like this old, the gates and how they open, and the huge locks.
就像这座古老的大门、它们的打开方式以及巨大的锁。
It almost looked like you're visiting someplace in Disneyland or Universal Studios.
看起来就像您正在参观迪士尼乐园或环球影城的某个地方。
But it was the real thing.
但这是真实的事情。
All of a sudden Karzai comes out, sees my dad, and he says hello.
突然卡尔扎伊出来，看到我爸爸，他跟我打招呼。
And my dad introduces me to him, he's like, this is my son.
我爸爸把我介绍给他，他说，这是我的儿子。
I got kind of nervous, actually.
事实上，我有点紧张。
You know?
你知道？
It's hard not to be, meeting him.
遇见他很难不去。
You know, that queasy feeling in your stomach.
你知道，胃里那种恶心的感觉。
Felt my, you know, like, heart rate go up.
感觉我的心率加快了。
And he walks so fast.
而且他走得那么快。
He's so busy right now.
他现在很忙。
It's just there's like four days to the [SPEAKING PASHTO].
距 [讲普什图语] 时间大约还有四天。
He doesn't even walk.
他甚至不会走路。
He practically runs.
他实际上是在跑步。
After that, somebody else was just entering the palace, and it was Rashid Dostum, probably the most infamous warlord.
此后，另一个人刚刚进入宫殿，那就是拉希德·杜斯塔姆，可能是最臭名昭著的军阀。
He's uh, pretty out there even by Afghan standards.
呃，即使按照阿富汗的标准，他也很漂亮。
I've heard stories about this guy rolling over people with tanks.
我听说过这个人用坦克碾压人的故事。
Strapping people down to tanks and, like, crushing them.
将人们绑在坦克上，然后将他们压碎。
So it was weird to shake hands with that kind of a fellow.
所以和这样的人握手感觉很奇怪。
It's just really interesting, just being in the palace at a time like this, you know?
这种时候待在宫殿里真的很有趣，你知道吗？
This is the future of the country, right here.
这就是国家的未来，就在这里。
You have, like, infamous warlords walking this way and famous ministers walking that way.
臭名昭著的军阀走这条路，著名的大臣走那条路。
It's pretty exciting.
这非常令人兴奋。
I mean, it's like equivalent, I think, of Lollapalooza or something.
我的意思是，我认为这就像 Lollapalooza 之类的东西。
Going backstage and getting to meet all of these rock stars going back and forth.
走进后台，见到所有这些来来往往的摇滚明星。
It was kind of like that.
有点像那样。
As nerdy and dorky as that sounds, that's pretty much how it was like for me.
尽管这听起来很书呆子和傻气，但对我来说这就是这样的。
So my dad has been appointed the governor of Kunar, but he really can't go there yet.
所以我爸爸被任命为库纳尔省的总督，但他确实还不能去那里。
There's still some resistance.
还是有一些阻力。
In the morning, there's usually a lot of people from Kunar that come over to see my dad.
早上，通常有很多库纳尔人来看我爸爸。
5:30 in the morning, completely dark outside, 30 people from Kunar are already lined up at the door.
早上5点30分，外面天色完全黑了，30名库纳尔人已经在门口排队了。
[SPEAKING PASHTO] Hyder Akbar One time they left and my dad, he sat down and he actually told me almost everything that's been going on.
[说普什图语] Hyder Akbar 有一次他们和我爸爸离开时，他坐下来，实际上告诉了我几乎所有发生的事情。
And there's a lot going on and there's so many-- Politics is really dirty.
发生了很多事情，而且有很多——政治真的很肮脏。
That's all I can say.
我只能说这么多。
There's so much going on.
发生了很多事情。
There's so much against my dad, so much for my dad, so much up to my dad.
有太多的事情反对我的父亲，有太多的事情支持我的父亲，有太多的事情取决于我的父亲。
It's really a big deal, you know, to trust me with all that.
你知道，信任我这一切真的很重要。
He warned me, too.
他也警告过我。
Like, in this documentary, or when talking to other people, not to say anything.
就像，在这部纪录片中，或者在与其他人交谈时，什么也不说。
I can't even tell my mom on the phone about it, because you know how phones are listened.
我什至不能在电话里告诉我妈妈这件事，因为你知道电话是如何被窃听的。
And when he said that to me, it really made me feel like his son.
当他对我说这句话时，我真的感觉自己像他的儿子。
I'm always there.
我一直都在那里。
Right by his side.
就在他身边。
And like, all these tribal elders he meets, all these people he talks to like the most intimate stuff, and I'm just standing with him every second, you know, like this major commander, North Americans, and everything.
就像他遇到的所有部落长老，所有与他交谈的人都喜欢最亲密的东西，而我每时每刻都站在他身边，你知道，就像这位主要指挥官、北美人等等。
And it's really amazing, I mean, how much he trusts me with everything.
我的意思是，他在一切事情上都如此信任我，这真的很令人惊奇。
I've got to be careful and not ruin it.
我必须小心，不要毁了它。
I'm traveling to Parwan right now.
我现在要去帕尔旺。
God, this road is horrible.
天哪，这条路太可怕了。
Parwan was a really interesting place.
帕尔旺是一个非常有趣的地方。
It was a sort of this vacation place for Afghans living in Kabul when it got a little hot.
对于生活在喀布尔的阿富汗人来说，当天气有点热时，这里就是一个度假胜地。
There was actually a lot of people there.
那里其实有很多人。
A lot of people there.
那里有很多人。
It was really packed.
真的很挤。
It's almost a sign of things getting back to normal again.
这几乎是事情再次恢复正常的迹象。
Like, people being able to visit Parwan again.
就像，人们能够再次拜访帕尔旺。
Because ever since the jihad and the resistance, it was a key area of fighting.
因为自从圣战和抵抗运动以来，这里就是一个关键的战斗地区。
And it's really interesting to see all these people coming back after so many years.
这么多年后看到所有这些人回来真的很有趣。
[MUSIC WITH DRUMS] The Taliban had banned music for six years.
[鼓乐] 塔利班已禁止音乐六年。
And I think it's only been like five or six months since music has come back.
我认为音乐回归大概只有五六个月的时间。
So it's also really new.
所以它也很新。
And then at this one point, there was actually these men started dancing, and all these people gathered around and they were all watching and clapping.
然后在这个时候，实际上这些人开始跳舞了，所有这些人都聚集过来，他们都在观看和鼓掌。
And all of a sudden, some chump with a Kalashnikov came over, and he stopped the drummers and he stopped the dancing.
突然，一个拿着卡拉什尼科夫冲锋枪的傻瓜走了过来，他阻止了鼓手，也停止了舞蹈。
He was like, what are you doing, blah blah blah, not Islamic, et cetera.
他说，你在做什么，等等，不是伊斯兰教，等等。
It wasn't even, you know, like girls and boys dancing, or anything like that.
你知道，它甚至不像女孩和男孩跳舞，或者类似的东西。
That would be unthinkable.
那将是不可想象的。
It was just a guy dancing.
那只是一个跳舞的人。
And then later on, all of a sudden I see this huge mob running.
后来，我突然看到一大群暴民在奔跑。
And a Sikh was in front, and they were like dragging him forward with a Kalashnikov.
前面有一个锡克教徒，他们就像拿着卡拉什尼科夫冲锋枪拖着他前进。
A Sikh-- you know who Sikh are.
锡克教徒——你知道锡克教徒是谁。
They're the ones with the turbans and the beard.
他们是那些戴着头巾、留着胡子的人。
My dad was like, what's going on?
我爸爸说，这是怎么回事？
They're like, oh.
他们就像，哦。
We caught him drinking alcohol.
我们发现他喝酒了。
And I don't know what they were going to do to him.
我不知道他们要对他做什么。
But whatever it was, it kind of put a damper on the whole thing.
但无论是什么，它都给整个事情带来了阻碍。
I am in my hotel room.
我在酒店房间里。
It's around 9:30 AM.
现在是上午 9 点 30 分左右。
And my uncle came in.
我叔叔也进来了。
He's bought dye for his beard.
他买了染胡子的染料。
He's laughing right now.
他现在正在笑。
He knows a little bit of English, and he figured out I was talking about him.
他懂一点英语，他知道我在说他。
He has this coloring device in his hand.
他手里拿着这个着色装置。
"Prime Cream Hair Color With Conditioner, 45 Black." And there's this lady with like wavy hair and a smiling face.
“带护发素的底霜染发剂，45 黑色。”还有一位有着波浪形头发和微笑脸庞的女士。
A couple of white hairs growing, so he's going to get young again.
几根白发长出来了，看来他又要变年轻了。
And it's really funny, because he's this like big, macho commander.
这真的很有趣，因为他就像一个大而有男子气概的指挥官。
Probably the biggest commander in the Kunar Province area, which is a major fighting area.
可能是库纳尔省地区最大的指挥官，库纳尔省地区是一个主要的战斗地区。
He's lost an eye, you know?
他失去了一只眼睛，你知道吗？
Always walking around with an AK.
总是带着AK走来走去。
He went to the bathroom to go and color his beard.
他去洗手间去染胡子。
Yesterday he was showing me all these parts in his body that metal just left, you know, his arms-- "touch this, touch this." And I was touching it, and there's metal there, and there's metal in his head, and forehead, and upper arm, and elbow-- just, you know, shrapnel and bullet wounds, et cetera.
昨天，他向我展示了他身体上刚刚剩下的金属部分，你知道，他的手臂——“触摸这个，触摸这个。”我正在触摸它，那里有金属，他的头部、前额、上臂和肘部都有金属——只是，你知道，弹片和枪伤，等等。
He came out right now.
他马上就出来了。
He's closing the lid or something.
他正在关上盖子什么的。
I think he's working on it.
我认为他正在努力。
[SPEAKING PASHTO]?
[说普什图语]？
Hyder's Uncle [SPEAKING PASHTO].
海德的叔叔 [说普什图语]。
He colors his beard.
他给胡子上色。
Testing, one, two, three.
测试，一，二，三。
Testing.
测试。
I'm sitting in my hotel room outside on the balcony.
我坐在酒店房间外面的阳台上。
It's about nine o'clock at night.
现在是晚上九点左右。
Today Haji Abdul Qadir, the vice president of Afghanistan, was assassinated.
今天，阿富汗副总统哈吉·阿卜杜勒·卡迪尔遇刺身亡。
And he was Abdul Haq's brother, and Abdul Haq was my dad's best friend.
他是阿卜杜勒·哈克的兄弟，阿卜杜勒·哈克是我父亲最好的朋友。
We were actually taken to see-- me and my dad-- my dad took me with him.
我们实际上是被带去见我和我爸爸的，我爸爸带着我一起去。
He was taken to go see the body.
他被带去看尸体。
They had put him in a coffin and everything, and it was a-- I don't know what you call the room.
他们把他放进棺材和所有东西里，那是一个——我不知道你怎么称呼这个房间。
I mean, is it, like, the frozen-- I mean, kind of like the cold room where they keep bodies, I guess.
我的意思是，是不是像冰冻的——我是说，有点像他们保存尸体的冷藏室，我猜。
And to be honest with you, I have never really seen a dead body like that.
老实说，我从来没有真正见过这样的尸体。
And my dad-- I mean, this is the first time I realized how going through a war must change you.
我的父亲——我的意思是，这是我第一次意识到经历一场战争一定会改变你。
Because he totally just jumped at the body, I mean, as if he was alive, and he just grabbed the towel that was on him, and you could see-- it almost like scratched his face.
因为他完全只是跳向尸体，我的意思是，就好像他还活着一样，他只是抓住了他身上的毛巾，你可以看到——它几乎就像抓伤了他的脸。
There were scratch marks on his face.
他的脸上有抓痕。
My dad actually touched his face and was like, oh, I see.
我爸爸摸了摸他的脸，说，哦，我明白了。
There's f here, and here.
这里有f，这里也有f。
I mean, totally cool.
我的意思是，非常酷。
And my dad asked if he was shot in the face.
我爸爸问他脸上是否中枪了。
And they were like, no, he wasn't shot in the face.
他们说，不，他脸上没有中弹。
He was shot in the heart.
他的心脏中弹了。
And my dad was like, OK.
我爸爸说，好吧。
He just casually unwrapped the towel a little more, and there was a bullet wound there.
他只是随意地把毛巾再拆开一点，那里就有一道枪伤。
My dad touched that, too, and he was like oh, OK.
我爸爸也碰了那个，他说哦，好吧。
And he said a little prayer and we left the room.
他做了一点祈祷，我们就离开了房间。
It was happening way too quick to sink in.
事情发生得太快了，让人无法理解。
I think I'll age about five years in these three months.
我想这三个月我会老五岁左右。
So I was up pretty late this morning.
所以今天早上我起得很晚。
7:30, 8 o'clock.
7点30分、8点。
I had a hard time sleeping last night again.
昨晚我又很难入睡了。
Knowing, you know, my dad could be assassinated just like Haji Qadir.
你知道，我父亲可能会像哈吉·卡迪尔一样被暗杀。
I mean, there are-- our driver Sotor-- somebody had come, I think, who was sent from the opposition.
我的意思是，我们的司机索托（Sotor）有人来了，我想，他是反对派派来的。
He started asking our driver questions like, so how many people who are with them at night, sleeping?
他开始问我们的司机一些问题，比如晚上有多少人和他们在一起睡觉？
Me and my dad.
我和我爸爸。
Do you guys have any Kaloshnikovs, AKs, guns?
你们有卡洛什尼科夫冲锋枪、AK 手枪吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
A lot of times, just like driving in the car, the whole scene plays out in my mind.
很多时候，就像开车时一样，整个场景都在我的脑海中浮现。
Some guys jumping out and shooting at my dad.
有些人跳出来向我爸爸开枪。
Coming up.
即将到来。
What happens when your father becomes the official government spokesperson for a country that is barely holding together?
当你的父亲成为一个勉强维持团结的国家的官方政府发言人时会发生什么？
Hyder's first person account continues in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续时，海德的第一人称帐户将在芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台继续播放。
If you're just tuning in, today we're devoting our show to the story of a teenager who was raised in Northern California who got a chance to live in the country his parents came from, the country he considers his real home, Afghanistan.
如果您刚刚收看，今天我们的节目主要讲述一个在北加州长大的青少年的故事，他有机会生活在他父母的祖国，他认为阿富汗是他真正的家乡。
Hyder Akbar took a tape recorder to make an audio diary of his time in Kabul.
海德·阿克巴（Hyder Akbar）用录音机录制了他在喀布尔的时光的音频日记。
His father had moved back to Afghanistan a few months before him, back when the Taliban fell, to work in the new Afghan government.
塔利班倒台后，他的父亲比他早几个月搬回阿富汗，在阿富汗新政府工作。
Up until this point in our story, his father was officially the governor of Kunar Province.
到目前为止，他的父亲是库纳尔省的正式省长。
But then, the day the vice president was assassinated, July 5, Hyder's father got a new job.
但随后，7 月 5 日副总统被暗杀的那天，海德的父亲找到了一份新工作。
He became the official spokesman for the entire Afghan government.
他成为整个阿富汗政府的官方发言人。
Hyder became his unofficial assistant.
海德成为他的非官方助手。
If there had ever been a chance that Hyder would put his father into his audio diaries, that chance kind of vanished with the new job.
如果海德曾经有机会将他的父亲写入他的音频日记中，那么这个机会随着新工作的出现而消失了。
After the new job, anything his father would say to him about Afghanistan would be essentially the government's official line on it.
就任新职务后，他父亲对他说的有关阿富汗的任何话基本上都是政府的官方立场。
Imagine Jenna Bush trying to interview her dad about, say, the politics of the Senate, and you can see how delicate the whole thing would be.
想象一下珍娜·布什试图采访她的父亲，谈论参议院的政治等话题，你就会发现整件事有多么微妙。
Hyder's diaries continue with his father, Said Fazal Akbar, in his new job as government spokesman.
海德的日记继续与他的父亲赛义德·法扎尔·阿克巴尔 (Said Fazal Akbar) 一起担任政府发言人。
OK.
好的。
We're heading north to work, to the palace.
我们要向北去工作，去宫殿。
[SPEAKING PASHTO] It's 9 o'clock.
[说普什图语] 现在是 9 点。
We're going down the stairs, leaving the hotel.
我们走下楼梯，离开酒店。
OK.
好的。
We're heading off to the car.
我们正要上车去。
People stopping my dad on the way.
人们在路上拦住我爸爸。
This is basically how every morning of ours starts.
这基本上就是我们每个早晨的开始。
In the morning, my dad usually just goes to meet up with Karzai and see what's going on, gives me the phone to take messages, et cetera.
早上，我爸爸通常只是去见卡尔扎伊，看看发生了什么事，给我电话让我接短信，等等。
Stuff like that.
诸如此类的事情。
That's what I basically do, is help my dad out.
这就是我基本上所做的，就是帮助我父亲摆脱困境。
The interesting parts are usually when there's something happened, like the President of Iran is coming.
有趣的部分通常是有事情发生的时候，比如伊朗总统来了。
[SPEAKING PASHTO] Hyder Akbar They started to play the national anthem of Iran and sounded really out of tune.
[说普什图语] Hyder Akbar 他们开始演奏伊朗国歌，听起来真的走调。
23 years of war.
23年的战争。
If you think about it-- wow, it's a bad thing.
如果你仔细想想——哇，这是一件坏事。
But when you actually go see it, I mean, it really hits you.
但当你真正去看它时，我的意思是，它真的震撼了你。
It's only been like six, seven months, and you can still almost be proud of them, that in that little time, they've achieved this much, at least.
只过了六七个月，你仍然可以为他们感到自豪，在这短短的时间内，他们至少取得了这么多成就。
And just even seeing that they have the heart to go on with the band makes you proud.
即使只是看到他们有心和乐队一起继续下去，你也会感到自豪。
Standing outside on the balcony.
站在外面的阳台上。
I see our car parked.
我看到我们的车停在那里。
My driver's here.
我的司机来了
Me and my driver are going to go to Jalalabad today.
我和我的司机今天要去贾拉拉巴德。
Jalalabad.
贾拉拉巴德。
We started walking through this place.
我们开始步行穿过这个地方。
My driver knows a friend, and we're staying at his house.
我的司机认识一个朋友，我们住在他家。
And we got to talk to him a little bit, and he's an really interesting character.
我们和他聊了一会儿，他是一个非常有趣的角色。
And I can't even begin to tell his story.
我什至无法开始讲述他的故事。
[SPEAKING PASHTO] Hyder Akbar He's managed to be arrested in Africa, he's been arrested in Singapore, and he's been arrested in Malaysia.
[说普什图语] Hyder Akbar 他在非洲被捕，在新加坡被捕，在马来西亚被捕。
You might ask what he was arrested for.
你可能会问他因什么被捕。
He's been trying to come to America or London.
他一直试图来美国或伦敦。
He's trying to get to the West.
他正试图去西方。
[SPEAKING PASHTO] Hyder Akbar He was actually in Rwanda before he was going to go to London, and 9/11 happened.
[说普什图语] Hyder Akbar 在他要去伦敦之前，他实际上在卢旺达，9/11 事件发生了。
And this guy was in jail for four months in Rwanda.
这个人在卢旺达被关了四个月。
You know, he was like, I couldn't speak the language or anything, and they'd call me al-Qaeda, and they'd say bin Laden's name, and that's the only thing we could understand.
你知道，他就像，我不会说这种语言或任何东西，他们会称我为基地组织，他们会说本拉登的名字，这是我们唯一能理解的。
And whenever, when we heard bin Laden's name, we would be like, no, no, no.
每当我们听到本·拉登的名字时，我们都会说，不，不，不。
[SPEAKING PASHTO] Hyder Akbar In Malaysia, he was as close as getting on the plane.
[说普什图语] Hyder Akbar 在马来西亚，他差点就登上了飞机。
The doors were about to close, and they came in after him, and they were asking questions about his passport, et cetera, and they caught him.
门即将关上，他们跟着他进来，询问他的护照等问题，然后抓住了他。
And he's going to still try to smuggle his way to America.
他仍然会试图偷渡到美国。
[SPEAKING PASHTO] Hyder Akbar I don't know.
[说普什图语] Hyder Akbar 我不知道。
I thought sometimes maybe once I come down here, live here for a little bit, a couple months, do my part to see the country and try to help out a little with my dad-- et cetera, I won't feel so guilty about the situation in Afghanistan.
有时我想，也许一旦我来到这里，在这里住一段时间，几个月，尽自己的一份力量去看看这个国家，并尝试为我的父亲提供一些帮助等等，我就不会为阿富汗的局势感到那么内疚了。
But now I don't know if I'll feel more guilty or less guilty when I come back.
但现在我不知道当我回来时我的愧疚感会多一些还是少一些。
When I see firsthand what's going on here, knowing that I can get away from it but other people can't.
当我亲眼目睹这里发生的事情时，我知道我可以摆脱它，但其他人却不能。
I got really sick last night.
昨晚我病得很厉害。
Think I've thrown up about three times and probably gone to the bathroom about another eight or seven times.
我想我已经吐了大约三次，可能还去了洗手间八七次。
There's this kebab.
有这个烤肉串。
It's called Shami kebab.
这叫沙米烤肉串。
It's basically made of a kind of ground beef.
它基本上是由一种碎牛肉制成的。
People tend to stay away from Shami kebab.
人们往往远离沙米烤肉串。
Like, not even my driver would eat it, you know?
就像，连我的司机都不会吃它，你知道吗？
And he's totally used to the food here, and he doesn't eat that, and I eat it almost on a nightly basis.
他完全习惯了这里的食物，他不吃那个，而我几乎每晚都吃。
Man.
男人。
I really like it.
我真的很喜欢它。
And it got me last night.
昨晚它吸引了我。
So I was eating it, and then halfway through it, I noticed that one of the kebabs was like-- the inside was just totally red.
所以我正在吃它，然后吃到一半时，我注意到其中一个烤肉串的内部完全是红色的。
I was like, oh, well, screw it.
我当时想，哦，好吧，管它呢。
I've already ate half of it now.
我现在已经吃了一半了。
I think I purposely don't-- I'm not careful, you know?
我想我是故意不——我不小心，你知道吗？
I drink tap water, sink water, unbottled-- I guess it's sort of trying to adapt.
我喝自来水、水槽水、非瓶装水——我想这是一种尝试适应。
Just like I didn't take any vaccination shots, et cetera, before I got here.
就像我来这儿之前没有注射任何疫苗等等。
I think I'm paying the price for it now, too, because I get sick almost every week.
我想我现在也为此付出了代价，因为我几乎每周都会生病。
I have grown up in the States most of my life.
我一生的大部分时间都是在美国长大的。
And a lot of times, I almost feel like I'm in denial of it.
很多时候，我几乎感觉自己在否认这一点。
Or I don't want to accept it, that I am a little bit American.
或者我不想接受这一点，我有点美国人化。
Not a little bit.
不是一点点。
A lot American.
很多美国人。
Another thing that has to be noted is the-- I don't know.
另一件必须注意的事情是——我不知道。
It's just a total lack of the whole female species.
这只是完全缺乏整个雌性物种。
I could go like a week without seeing a lady's face.
我可能一周都看不到一位女士的脸。
Like, out of a hundred women, like, 95 still wear burkas.
就像，一百名女性中，有 95 名仍然穿着罩袍。
Kabul market is pretty bustling.
喀布尔市场相当热闹。
at home it would be like Times Square.
在家里就像时代广场一样。
It's full of ladies in burkas that are-- the rest are all men.
里面都是穿着罩袍的女士——其余的都是男人。
Like, literally.
就像字面意思一样。
Here.
这里。
I'll start counting, and I'll look for a woman's face, and I'll tell you how long it takes.
我会开始数，我会寻找一张女人的脸，然后我会告诉你需要多长时间。
Burka, burka, burka.
罩袍，罩袍，罩袍。
Man.
男人。
Burka.
罩袍。
Burka.
罩袍。
Still no woman.
还是没有女人。
Since I've been here-- I think it's been like a month and a half or two months-- I don't think I've talked to a girl or to a woman, to a lady, about anything for more than ten seconds.
自从我来到这里——我想已经有一个半月或两个月了——我想我和一个女孩或一个女人、一位女士谈过任何事情超过十秒钟。
I'm surrounded by men.
我被男人包围了
At home, at the hotel room, in the office.
在家里、在酒店房间、在办公室。
Everywhere we go, it's just men, men, men, men, men.
无论我们走到哪里，都是男人、男人、男人、男人、男人。
And it's really weird.
这真的很奇怪。
And it has had an effect on me.
它对我产生了影响。
You know?
你知道？
Like when women are around you-- I don't know.
就像当女人在你身边时——我不知道。
You're more civilized?
你比较文明吗？
They hold you back a little.
他们有点阻碍你。
But you know, here, it's sort of like, how I used to look at violence, or like killing-- it's almost become normal to me now.
但你知道，在这里，这有点像我过去看待暴力或杀戮的方式——现在对我来说几乎变得很正常。
It's really weird.
真的很奇怪。
OK.
好的。
I'm in my room.
我在我的房间里。
I mean, not in my room.
我的意思是，不在我的房间里。
In the balcony.
在阳台上。
And it's about 2:30 in the afternoon.
现在是下午2点30分左右。
And I've got some weapons in front of me.
我面前有一些武器。
Here's a Makarov pistol-- a brand new pistol.
这是一把马卡洛夫手枪——一把全新的手枪。
We got this as part of our security.
我们将此作为我们安全的一部分。
But next to me is the infamous Kalashnikov.
但我旁边的是臭名昭著的卡拉什尼科夫冲锋枪。
[GUN COCKING] I just like this noise a lot.
[GUN COCKING] 我非常喜欢这种声音。
[GUN COCKING]
[枪待上机]
Let me take this apart.
让我把这个拆开。
First you take the top off, and then you take this out.
首先你把顶部取下来，然后把它拿出来。
The bullets.
子弹。
My uncle has a rift with his own family.
我叔叔和他自己的家人有不和。
Like, I think it's, I'm not sure.
就像，我想是的，我不确定。
But it's something like that.
但就是这样。
His younger brother actually killed Sotor my driver's, first cousin.
他的弟弟实际上杀了我司机的表弟索托。
And they have like no shame, you know?
他们毫无羞耻心，你知道吗？
They come to the room-- like, he came in, he greeted us, he shook hands.
他们来到房间——就像，他进来了，他向我们打招呼，他握手。
He shook hands with my driver.
他和我的司机握手。
The younger brother.
弟弟。
This is the younger brother, [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
这是弟弟，[无法辨认]。
Totally normal and nonchalant.
完全正常且漫不经心。
And he left the room, and when he left the room, Sotor told me, he's like, you know, that guy killed my first cousin.
然后他离开了房间，当他离开房间时，索托告诉我，他就像，你知道，那个人杀了我的表弟。
I was like, what?
我当时想，什么？
OK.
好的。
These are the bullets.
这些是子弹。
I have one bullet in my hand and it-- I'm hitting the mike with it.
我手里拿着一颗子弹，我正在用它击中麦克风。
It's really sharp.
真的很锋利。
The first time Sotor when he told me that story about him killing his cousin, and now it's a big deal-- I pretended like it was something normal, you know?
索托第一次告诉我他杀了他表弟的故事，现在这件事成了一件大事——我假装这很正常，你知道吗？
Then more stories and more stories now, and somebody tells me, you know, that guy needs to kill them, I'm like, mm, OK.
然后更多的故事，更多的故事，有人告诉我，你知道，那个人需要杀了他们，我想，嗯，好吧。
They should probably kill them.
他们或许应该杀了他们。
I'm not like, hm, killing, bad, or something.
我不喜欢，嗯，杀人，坏人，或者什么的。
Just being in this-- just for a month and a half, being here, and going through so many changes, it's really weird.
只是在这里——仅仅一个半月，在这里，经历了这么多的变化，这真的很奇怪。
I can only imagine what it would be like if I lived here for like a year.
我只能想象如果我在这里住一年会是什么样子。
I would say it's about 3:30 in the afternoon.
我想说大约是下午 3:30。
We were in our room, and I was listening to U2.
我们在自己的房间里，我正在听 U2。
Had my head down, trying to go to sleep.
我低着头，想睡觉。
And the bed shook, and I heard a loud boom!
床摇晃起来，我听到一声巨响！
I came outside real quick, and I noticed all this smoke coming out from behind the Ministry of Communications, which is the building right in front of us.
我很快就出来了，我注意到所有这些烟雾都是从交通部后面冒出来的，交通部就在我们前面的大楼里。
So another bomb explosion in Kabul.
喀布尔再次发生炸弹爆炸。
Just one of a bunch recently.
只是最近一堆的其中之一。
OK, hello?
好的，你好？
I just went to find out what the explosion was all about.
我只是去看看爆炸是怎么回事。
And apparently it's a lot more serious than I thought.
显然事情比我想象的要严重得多。
I start heading out and I ran into someone I know, and he said-- he was just coming from there, and he was like, don't go there.
我开始出门，遇到了一个我认识的人，他说——他刚从那里过来，他说，不要去那里。
You don't want to go there, trust me.
你不想去那里，相信我。
You don't want to see it.
你不想看到它。
It happened in the middle of a really crowded marketplace.
它发生在一个非常拥挤的市场中间。
Probably the most crowded place in Kabul at this time.
可能是此时喀布尔最拥挤的地方。
And I just saw some of the ambulances that are come back.
我刚刚看到一些救护车回来了。
I think they already took the first injuries.
我认为他们已经受到了第一次伤害。
My driver pointed out to me, he's like, there, look over there.
我的司机向我指出，他就像，在那里，看那边。
And there was actually blood all over the ambulance, the headlights in the front of the car.
事实上，救护车上到处都是血，车头的灯也都是血。
You can see the car from here, outside of my building, actually.
实际上，你可以从我大楼外面的这里看到汽车。
Oh.
哦。
There's some peacekeepers coming along, and I see some more-- I don't know.
有一些维和人员过来，我看到更多的人——我不知道。
I'll probably listen to the news soon.
我可能很快就会听到新闻。
Hello?
你好？
OK.
好的。
You can hear the BBC in the background.
您可以在后台听到 BBC 的声音。
This is reported.
据报道。
And it was pretty quick, actually.
事实上，速度相当快。
It was probably about five minutes later.
大概是五分钟后了。
The BBC just reported, "Breaking News-- Explosion In the Center of Kabul."
BBC 刚刚报道了“突发新闻——喀布尔市中心发生爆炸”。
And they say, the interior minister spokesman actually said, it could be in Kabul Hotel, which is where we're staying.
他们说，内政部长发言人实际上说过，它可能在喀布尔酒店，也就是我们住的地方。
So I know once my mom, if my mom was watching the news right now, she'd be freaking out.
所以我知道曾经我妈妈，如果我妈妈现在正在看新闻，她会吓坏的。
But it's not in Kabul Hotel, because we are in Kabul Hotel.
但不是在喀布尔酒店，因为我们是在喀布尔酒店。
Oh, there's more.
哦，还有更多。
More peacekeeping troops.
更多维和部队。
But you can hear the chatter in the background and interviews on the TV.
但你可以听到背景中的谈话声和电视上的采访。
--it's an explosion in central Kabul.
——喀布尔市中心发生爆炸。
Some reports say at least 22 are dead.
一些报道称至少有 22 人死亡。
So we're here.
所以我们就在这里。
Right where the wreckage is.
就在残骸所在的地方。
I'm standing in front of the wreckage.
我站在废墟前。
It's a closed-off area, but my dad got through, saying he's Karzai's spokesman.
这是一个封闭区域，但我爸爸打通了，说他是卡尔扎伊的发言人。
He needs to check out what's going on.
他需要检查一下到底发生了什么事。
Sorry about this.
对此感到抱歉。
Hyder Akbar That's a French reporter.
Hyder Akbar 这是一位法国记者。
He knows my dad.
他认识我爸爸。
He recognized him and started talking to him.
他认出了他并开始与他交谈。
I hope it is the first and the last.
我希望这是第一次也是最后一次。
I hope, really, deep in my--
我真的希望，在我内心深处——
I'm standing in front of the car that blew up.
我站在那辆爆炸的汽车前面。
It's completely destroyed.
它被完全摧毁了。
You can hear me hitting the metal.
你可以听到我敲击金属的声音。
And I think this place should be sealed off better.
我认为这个地方应该密封得更好。
Everything is evidence, all around me.
我周围的一切都是证据。
And it's being tampered with, it's being moved around.
它正在被篡改，它正在被移动。
In front of me there's a building.
我面前有一栋大楼。
It's about four stories high.
大约有四层楼高。
Glass broken completely, all around.
周围的玻璃完全破碎。
You can hear the glass being piled up.
你可以听到玻璃堆积的声音。
There's all these-- tainted red water.
所有这些——被污染的红水。
You can tell they've been trying to wash away the blood.
你可以看出他们一直在努力洗掉血迹。
[SPEAKING PASHTO]?
[说普什图语]？
OK, we're going to go.
好的，我们要走了。
I'll get back in the car.
我会回到车里。
OK.
好的。
I'm at the-- I'll be right back.
我在——我马上回来。
I'm going to close the door.
我要关上门。
OK.
好的。
Well, so far there's a bombing earlier in the day.
嗯，到目前为止，当天早些时候发生了一起爆炸事件。
Now my other uncle, who works in the Foreign Ministry, just got a call that there's been an assassination attempt on Karzai.
现在，我在外交部工作的另一位叔叔刚刚接到电话，称有人企图暗杀卡尔扎伊。
Karzai had gone to Kandahar for his brother's wedding, and my dad was going to go with him too, but he stayed for me.
卡尔扎伊去坎大哈参加他哥哥的婚礼，我父亲也打算和他一起去，但他留下来陪我。
So it's kind of nerve-wracking.
所以这有点伤脑筋。
Because the guy was actually crying, and saying, if you want to come, go ahead.
因为那家伙居然哭着说，你想来就来吧。
If you don't-- but you don't know yet.
如果你不知道——但你还不知道。
I think there's a pretty good chance Karzai has been killed.
我认为卡尔扎伊被杀的可能性很大。
And if Karzai is gone now, it will be totally the end of it.
如果卡尔扎伊现在走了，一切就彻底结束了。
Because I can't see anybody replacing Karzai.
因为我看不到有人取代卡尔扎伊。
Well, our correspondent, Lyse Doucet, was traveling with President Karzai when that assassination attempt was made.
好吧，当暗杀企图发生时，我们的记者 Lyse Doucet 正在与卡尔扎伊总统一起旅行。
She has this exclusive eyewitness report.
她有这份独家目击者报告。
The president was back in Kandahar for a family wedding.
总统回到坎大哈参加家庭婚礼。
He waved from his car.
他从车上挥手。
Then the man out to kill him made his move.
然后那个想杀他的人就行动了。
[GUNS SHOOTING] American bodyguards rained rapid fire from the car behind.
[枪声]美国保镖从后面的车里快速射击。
And hooked their mark.
并勾上了他们的印记。
And the president was quickly swept away.
总统很快就被扫地出门了。
Lyse Doucet, BBC News.
Lyse Doucet，英国广播公司新闻。
My dad is talking to my mom on the phone.
我爸爸正在和我妈妈通电话。
I just spoke to her too, so.
我也刚刚跟她说过话，所以。
[SPEAKING PASHTO] Hyder Akbar My mom was like, please come home.
[说普什图语] Hyder Akbar 我妈妈说，请回家吧。
I'm getting a lot of calls from these agencies that want a comment out of my dad.
我接到很多来自这些机构的电话，希望我父亲发表评论。
And my dad can't, because he just doesn't have enough information about what's going on.
我爸爸不能，因为他对正在发生的事情没有足够的信息。
And it's very frustrating, because I'm screening the calls.
这非常令人沮丧，因为我正在筛选电话。
And they just won't take no for an answer.
他们不会接受“不”的回答。
There's like two satellite phones Karzai has.
卡尔扎伊有两部卫星电话。
He called both of them.
他给他们俩打了电话。
Both of them are off the hook.
他们俩都摆脱了困境。
They're not working.
他们不工作。
And that's that.
就是这样。
September 5, 2002.
2002 年 9 月 5 日。
A black day for Afghanistan.
对阿富汗来说这是黑色的一天。
Today, it's the day after the assassination.
今天，是刺杀事件发生后的第二天。
And I'm going downstairs.
我要下楼了。
I'm in front of my dad's office.
我在我爸爸的办公室前面。
I just got out of there.
我刚从那里出来。
Karzai's in a meeting with him, and after that, there will be the press conference.
卡尔扎伊正在与他会面，之后将举行新闻发布会。
He's holding a press conference.
他正在召开新闻发布会。
He told my dad to hold a press conference.
他告诉我爸爸召开新闻发布会。
OK, I'm entering the palace.
好啦，我要进宫了。
OK.
好的。
That's Lyse Doucet from the BBC.
这是 BBC 的 Lyse Doucet。
She was actually with the president in Kandahar yesterday, and she's, I think, going to do another report from here.
事实上，她昨天在坎大哈与总统在一起，我想她将从这里做另一份报告。
OK, the gate's open.
好的，门开着。
Here's the president.
这是总统。
Huge crowd.
巨大的人群。
It's your footage sir.
先生，这是你的录像。
Hamid Karzai My footage is your footage.
哈米德·卡尔扎伊 我的镜头就是你的镜头。
I'm literally the first person standing here, right next to Karzai.
我确实是第一个站在这里的人，就在卡尔扎伊旁边。
I'm about five feet away from him.
我离他大约五英尺远。
They are saying it is extremely dangerous for you to move out of Kabul among your people.
他们说，你和你的人民一起离开喀布尔是极其危险的。
It is always dangerous Lyse.
莱瑟总是很危险。
Come on!
快点！
I've been through this before.
我以前经历过这个。
I've been hit three times when we were fighting the Soviets.
当我们与苏联人作战时，我被击中了三次。
Did that stop us from fighting the Soviets?
这是否阻止我们与苏联作战？
My father was assasinated in the Kremlin by the Taliban interers.
我的父亲在克里姆林宫被塔利班审讯者暗杀。
Did that stop him from fighting against them?
这是否阻止了他与他们战斗？
I was almost killed in [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
我差点在[无法辨认]中被杀。
Did it stop him from fighting?
这阻止了他的战斗吗？
I will not stop.
我不会停止。
I will continue.
我会继续。
I'm more concerned about the lot of life yesterday in Kabul than of one assassination attempt against me.
我更关心昨天喀布尔的生活，而不是针对我的一次暗杀企图。
Every time I hear Karzai speak in an interview or at a press conference, I get hopeful.
每次我听到卡尔扎伊在接受采访或新闻发布会上讲话时，我都会充满希望。
And I'm like, it's going to happen.
我想，这将会发生。
He's going to make it.
他会成功的。
Look at him talk.
看他说话。
There's no way he's not going to make it.
他不可能不成功。
But then I see what's going on, and then I'm like, OK.
但后来我明白发生了什么，然后我就想，好吧。
I just woke up.
我刚睡醒。
I've gotten sick again and I have stomach pain, diarrhea.
我又病了，胃痛，腹泻。
I just feel out of it.
我只是觉得不舒服。
At night, sometimes I sleep outside.
晚上，有时我睡在外面。
There's a bed in the balcony.
阳台上有一张床。
And I usually have to cover myself in a blanket from head to toe.
我通常必须从头到脚盖上毯子。
You can hear the birds chirping in the background.
您可以听到背景中鸟儿的鸣叫声。
It's almost trying to fool you, in a sense.
从某种意义上说，它几乎是在试图愚弄你。
Birds chirping.
鸟儿鸣叫。
It's such a peaceful sound, you know?
这是多么平静的声音，你知道吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
When I hear birds chirping, I get a sense of, you know, rise and shine.
当我听到鸟儿鸣叫时，我有一种升起和闪耀的感觉。
Good morning.
早上好。
Sunny day outside.
外面阳光明媚。
And it's nothing like that.
事实并非如此。
I hate to be like the grumpy pessimist, but pretty sure another bomb's going to go off.
我讨厌像脾气暴躁的悲观主义者，但很确定另一颗炸弹将会爆炸。
It's not stable.
它不稳定。
I mean, in the last two weeks, there's been over a dozen explosives.
我的意思是，在过去的两周里，发生了十几枚爆炸物。
A lot of little ones so far.
目前为止还有很多小孩子。
And I know they've been hushed up, and you know, this creates a sense of tension in the air.
我知道他们已经被保密了，你知道，这在空气中造成了一种紧张感。
They're starting to realize, hey.
他们开始意识到，嘿。
They really don't have control as much as they like to pretend they do.
他们实际上并不像他们假装的那样拥有控制权。
You know, I was a lot more optimistic and hopeful about the future of Afghanistan before I came.
你知道，来之前我对阿富汗的未来更加乐观和充满希望。
Now it's like, I'll be happy if it doesn't burst into civil war again for five years.
现在就像是，如果五年内不再爆发内战，我会很高兴。
Birds chirping.
鸟儿鸣叫。
Rise and shine.
崛起并闪耀。
Stomach's cramping up.
胃痉挛了。
I really honestly feel that Afghanistan would not have the problems it's having right now if Abdul Haq was alive.
老实说，我觉得如果阿卜杜勒·哈克还活着，阿富汗就不会遇到现在的问题。
It's almost like, you know, a person walking, and you know, Karzai was one leg, and Abdul Haq could have been the other leg, and one leg's cut off now.
这几乎就像，你知道，一个人在走路，你知道，卡尔扎伊是一条腿，阿卜杜勒·哈克可能是另一条腿，但现在一条腿被砍掉了。
Karzai's trying his best to hobble along, but he can't, because one half is missing.
卡尔扎伊尽力一瘸一拐地前行，但他做不到，因为一半不见了。
He's definitely somebody I look up to, somebody I'd like to follow.
他绝对是我尊敬的人，我想追随的人。
I mean, he did the Kalema, which is, you know, professing your faith.
我的意思是，他做了卡莱马，你知道，这是宣示你的信仰。
You know "There's no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah." And you know that when you're a newborn and a person whispers that in your ear to sort of make you officially Muslim.
你知道“万物非主，唯有安拉，穆罕默德是安拉的使者”。你知道，当你还是个新生儿时，有人在你耳边低声说这句话，让你正式成为穆斯林。
It's almost like, you know, how Catholics get baptized.
这几乎就像天主教徒如何受洗一样。
My dad, my family, picked Abdul Haq to do it.
我的父亲、我的家人选择阿卜杜勒·哈克来做这件事。
He was chuckling while he was doing it in my ear, too, because he couldn't believe it, that they were asking him to do it.
当他在我耳边做这件事时，他也在咯咯地笑，因为他不敢相信，他们要他这样做。
Because usually you ask an older person to do it.
因为通常你会请年长的人来做这件事。
Like almost a religious elder to do it.
几乎就像一位宗教长老那样做。
But they wanted Abdul Haq to do it, because they're like, we want him to follow in your footsteps.
但他们希望阿卜杜勒·哈克（Abdul Haq）这样做，因为他们就像，我们希望他追随你的脚步。
So even from the beginning, I've always sort of looked up to him.
所以从一开始我就一直很尊敬他。
I told my dad the last thing I wanted to do before I left Afghanistan was to visit Abdul Haq's grave.
我告诉父亲，在离开阿富汗之前我最不想做的一件事就是去参观阿卜杜勒·哈克的坟墓。
OK.
好的。
I'm going up the road to Abdul Haq's grave.
我正沿着路前往阿卜杜勒·哈克的坟墓。
OK.
好的。
Road ends here.
路到这里就结束了。
Now we're walking.
现在我们正在步行。
Me and my driver.
我和我的司机。
We're going to walk the rest of the way.
我们将步行走完剩下的路。
Do you hear a little low wind blowing?
你听到有微弱的风吹过吗？
I'm covered in dust.
我浑身都是灰尘。
It was a terrible journey getting here.
到达这里是一次可怕的旅程。
We're walking around, trying to find it.
我们四处走走，试图找到它。
No, it's not here.
不，它不在这里。
Why don't we ask somebody.
我们为什么不问问别人呢。
Here we go.
开始了。
We found some guy walking.
我们发现有人在走路。
OK.
好的。
It is the graveyard.
这是墓地。
OK.
好的。
Here we are.
我们到了。
I'm sitting here next to a bunch of rocks piled up.
我坐在一堆石头旁边。
And there's not even a board or anything that says Abdul Haq.
甚至没有一个董事会或任何东西说阿卜杜勒·哈克。
I mean, we walked right past it a second ago, and I was like-- me and my driver were both like, no, this is not it, and we kept going forward.
我的意思是，我们一秒钟前就走过了它，我和我的司机都说，不，这不是它，然后我们继续前进。
It's a quiet place.
这是一个安静的地方。
You don't hear much.
你听得不多。
It's the middle of nowhere.
这是一个偏僻的地方。
Mountains all around me.
我周围都是群山。
I'm sitting down on the gravel.
我坐在砾石上。
I'm sitting down on the dirt.
我坐在泥土上。
I can't believe I'm sitting down next to his body.
我不敢相信我坐在他的尸体旁边。
I don't know how to explain it.
我不知道该如何解释。
Just like the whole legend behind him-- jihad hero, and freedom fighter, and visiting Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, and all the media that was around him.
就像他背后的整个传奇一样——圣战英雄、自由斗士、拜访里根和玛格丽特·撒切尔，以及他周围的所有媒体。
And now he's in like this little [BLEEP] cemetery.
现在他就像在这个小[BLEEP]墓地里。
Not even a sign that [BLEEP] says "Abdul Haq."
甚至没有[BLEEP]写着“Abdul Haq”的迹象。
Hello, hello?
喂，喂？
OK.
好的。
Today's September 11, 2002.
今天是 2002 年 9 月 11 日。
It's actually my last night in Peshawar.
这实际上是我在白沙瓦的最后一晚。
I'm at a relative's house.
我在亲戚家。
I'm spending the night here.
我要在这里过夜。
And you can hear the food cooking here in the kitchen.
你可以听到厨房里做饭的声音。
I'm really excited about coming home.
回家我真的很兴奋。
Anyway, I'm going to, I should probably go to the other rooms.
无论如何，我要去，我可能应该去其他房间。
I think some September 11 anniversary is going on.
我认为 9 月 11 日纪念日即将到来。
[MUSIC - "THE STAR-SPANGLED BANNER"]
[音乐-“星条旗”]
I think it's kind of ironic that I am coming back on the the day of September 11.
我觉得9月11日我回来有点讽刺。
Here's Afghanistan.
这里是阿富汗。
Tv Anchor In a statement read at the ceremony, Afghan president Hamid Karzai said the al-Qaeda terrorists behind the September 11 attacks had also wreaked havoc on his country.
电视主播 在仪式上宣读的一份声明中，阿富汗总统哈米德·卡尔扎伊表示，9 月 11 日袭击背后的基地组织恐怖分子也给阿富汗造成了严重破坏。
At times, I almost wish I hadn't come.
有时，我几乎希望我没有来。
It was almost better when I was away from it all, and it was still I looked up to it.
当我远离这一切时，情况几乎好多了，而且我仍然仰望它。
Now I think about it, and I'm like, why?
现在我想了想，我想，为什么？
Why bother with them here?
何必在这里跟他们纠缠呢？
Maybe I should just go back to the States.
也许我应该回到美国。
Study Business.
学习商业。
Start working with my brother.
开始和我哥哥一起工作。
Be a loan officer.
成为一名信贷员。
Go and open up my brokerage.
去开办我的经纪公司吧。
Live a comfortable life.
过着舒适的生活。
I don't think I could live comfortably like that.
我不认为我可以这样舒适地生活。
Now I'll just be thinking about what's going on in Afghanistan and what I could do to help.
现在我只想思考阿富汗正在发生的事情以及我能提供什么帮助。
Hyder Akbar is now a freshman at Diablo Valley college in California.
海德·阿克巴 (Hyder Akbar) 现在是加州暗黑破坏神谷学院的新生。
He's planning on returning to Afghanistan with his next school break.
他计划在下一次学校放假时返回阿富汗。
Susan Burton is the one who gave him a tape recorder and produced this story for our program.
苏珊·伯顿给了他一台录音机，并为我们的节目制作了这个故事。
Funding for her radio stories comes from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
她的广播故事的资金来自公共广播公司。
It's my equivalent, I think, of Lollapalooza or something.
我认为这相当于 Lollapalooza 之类的东西。
Going backstage and getting to meet all of these, like, rock stars.
到后台去见见所有这些人，比如摇滚明星。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life .
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。