226: Reruns - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass Ladies and gentlemen, public radio listeners everywhere, now let us praise famous crap, OK, and not so famous crap too.
序言 Ira Glass 女士们、先生们，世界各地的公共广播听众，现在让我们赞美著名的废话，好吧，也赞美不那么出名的废话。
Well, there's a show called Boy Meets World .
嗯，有一个节目叫《男孩遇见世界》。
You ever seen it?
你见过吗？
No. Starlee Kine It's great.
不，Starlee Kine 太棒了。
It's so good.
太好了。
It's in syndication?
是在联合组织吗？
Starlee Kine Yeah, it's one of those shows that just went under the radar.
Starlee Kine 是的，这是刚刚受到关注的节目之一。
Friends, we are not here today to talk about those supposedly good TV programs people who think that they're smart like to talk about when they talk about TV.
朋友们，我们今天不是来谈论那些自以为聪明的人在谈论电视时喜欢谈论的那些所谓的好电视节目。
We're here to talk about the stuff that makes up so much of TV.
我们来这里是为了谈论构成电视的重要内容。
We're here to speak of reruns.
我们来这里是为了谈论重播。
And not good reruns at that, I'm talking your Matlock s, your Living Singles , your Kate & Allies .
而且重播效果并不好，我说的是你的《马特洛克》、你的《单身生活》、你的《凯特与盟友》。
This voice you are hearing is Starlee Kine, one of the producers of our radio program.
您听到的这个声音是斯塔莉·凯恩（Starlee Kine），我们广播节目的制作人之一。
And I asked her to talk about her relationship to TV, because she's the first person I've ever met who actively prefers reruns like Boy Meets World .
我请她谈谈她与电视的关系，因为她是我见过的第一个积极喜欢重播《男孩遇见世界》的人。
And it just like was on for years, but you never knew it.
它就像已经存在了很多年，但你永远不知道。
And now it's just like permanently in reruns, and it's on like four different channels.
现在它就像永久重播一样，并且在四个不同的频道上播放。
But it's not very good.
但这不太好。
In fact, is it actually bad?
事实上，真的很糟糕吗？
Starlee Kine I think so.
斯塔莉·凯恩 我想是的。
I mean, it's hard for me to tell at this point, but it's bad, yeah.
我的意思是，现在我很难说，但这很糟糕，是的。
It's very, very, very comforting to watch it.
观看它非常、非常、非常令人欣慰。
It's comforting because you used to watch it when you were a little kid?
这很令人安慰，因为你小时候看过它？
No. Ira Glass You never saw it as a kid?
不。 Ira Glass 你小时候没见过吗？
No, not that one.
不，不是那个。
But Boy Meets World , it's like it didn't even matter that I didn't watch it as a little kid.
但《男孩遇见世界》，就好像我小时候没看过它一样无关紧要。
I can imagine little kids being in really comfortable, carpeted family rooms and laying with their elbows propped up and watching Boy Meets World and feeling really safe.
我可以想象小孩子们在非常舒适、铺有地毯的家庭房间里，用手肘支撑着躺着，看着男孩遇见世界，感觉非常安全。
Because it's like the safest thing in the world.
因为这就像世界上最安全的事情。
This family is so nuclear, it's perfect.
这个家庭是如此的核心，它是完美的。
But it's soundstages, and it looks really fake.
但这是声场，看起来很假。
The principal is also the kid's neighbor.
校长也是孩子的邻居。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
He's just always there and always looking after everyone.
他总是在那里，总是照顾每个人。
Hey son, how was your day?
嘿儿子，今天过得怎么样？
Ben Savage In Boy Meets World Fine.
《男孩遇见世界美好》中的本·萨维奇。
What did you do in school?
你在学校做了什么？
Ben Savage In Boy Meets World Nothing.
本·萨维奇（Ben Savage）在《男孩遇见世界》中一无所获。
Hey, hold on right there.
嘿，就在那儿坚持一下。
You know, every day I ask you, what did you do.
你知道，我每天都会问你，你做了什么。
And every day you tell me, nothing.
而你每天都告诉我，什么也没有。
Well, I'm tired of nothing.
好吧，我什么都厌倦了。
I mean, we both know something happened today.
我的意思是，我们都知道今天发生了一些事情。
And I want to know what it is.
我想知道它是什么。
I decided to be a girl.
我决定做一个女孩。
Starlee Kine I would imagine, if I were a little kid watching it, I'd feel so secure.
Starlee Kine 我想，如果我是个小孩子看着它，我会感到很安全。
Knowing that there's kids out there who feel secure is enough for me to feel comforted by it and watch it every time its on.
知道那里有感到安全的孩子，这足以让我感到安慰，并在每次播放时观看它。
I try very hard to establish these things so that I have these reruns, because I live in eternal fear that the reruns are going to be gone.
我非常努力地建立这些东西，以便我能够重播，因为我生活在永远的恐惧中，担心重播将会消失。
Like last night, I was watching TV and I couldn't find a rerun anywhere and I was panicking.
就像昨晚一样，我正在看电视，却找不到任何重播的地方，我很恐慌。
The Godfather was on, and I was flipping, flipping, and I couldn't find one.
《教父》正在播放，我翻啊翻，却找不到。
I was just like, how is this possible?
我当时就想，这怎么可能？
There was a rerun though.
不过还有重播。
It was a rerun of The Nanny was on.
这是《保姆》的重播。
And I don't have any relationship with it, so I was stuck.
而且我和它没有任何关系，所以我被困住了。
Because she's so scared of that happening, Starlee is perpetually cultivating new reruns, forcing yourself to immerse in them.
因为她非常害怕这种情况发生，所以斯塔莉不断地培养新的重播，强迫自己沉浸其中。
Her latest is Caroline in the City .
她的最新作品是《城市中的卡罗琳》。
When I watch Caroline in the City , it's like I'm really trying to find something, even though I hate it so much, so much.
当我看《城市中的卡罗琳》时，就像我真的在努力寻找一些东西，尽管我非常非常讨厌它。
I hate it, every part of it.
我讨厌它，讨厌它的每一部分。
Hate the way she draws.
讨厌她画画的方式。
I hate the way she talks.
我讨厌她说话的方式。
I hate her assistant, everything.
我讨厌她的助理，一切。
And as you've watched Caroline in the City over the course of weeks, do you now actually like it?
当你在几周的时间里观看《卡罗琳在城市》时，你现在真的喜欢它吗？
I don't like it.
我不喜欢它。
But I know it.
但我知道。
I am very familiar with it.
我对它很熟悉。
And that's enough?
这样就够了吗？
Starlee Kine That's enough.
斯塔莉·凯恩 够了。
What percentage of television is about just straight up comfort and what percentage is about what we think of, traditionally, as entertainment?
电视内容的比例是纯粹的舒适感，比例是我们传统上认为的娱乐内容？
For me?
为我？
Oh God, 80% is about comfort for me.
天啊，80%是为了让我舒服。
If something good gets in there it's an accident.
如果有什么好东西进入那里那就是一个意外。
Or it's because I feel obligated to watch something good, because I know people are going to ask me the next day.
或者是因为我觉得有义务看一些好东西，因为我知道人们第二天会问我。
Well, today on our radio program, a defense of not going out into the world and looking for new experiences, a defense of dwelling on what you already know, a defense of staying caught in your own personal reruns.
好吧，今天在我们的广播节目中，为不走出去寻找新的体验而辩护，为沉溺于你已经知道的事情而辩护，为陷入自己的个人重播而辩护。
Stories of people who have the same thing going on with some story from their own past that Starlee has with Caroline in the City and Boy Meets World .
故事中的人们有着同样的经历，他们的过去也有一些故事，比如斯塔莉和卡罗琳在《城市》和《男孩遇见世界》中的故事。
From WBEZ Chicago, it is This American Life distributed by Public Radio International.
来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，由国际公共广播电台发行的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Our program today in three, yes three, acts.
我们今天的节目分为三幕，是的，三幕。
Act One-- Action!
第一幕——行动！
Action!
行动！
Action!
行动！
In that act the story of what happens when a person, who actually has the power to create reruns, gets stuck in a rerun.
在那一幕中，讲述了当一个实际上有能力创造重播的人陷入重播时会发生什么的故事。
Act Two-- Marriage As Rerun.
第二幕——重演婚姻。
In that act, an exploration, possibly, we think, the first ever, of how in every couple, in every marriage, we are stuck hearing the same stories from our partners over and over, and what we're supposed to think of that.
在这一行为中，我们认为，这可能是有史以来第一次探索，在每对夫妇、每段婚姻中，我们如何一遍又一遍地从我们的伴侣那里听到同样的故事，以及我们应该对此有何看法。
Act Three-- Reruns At The Back Of The Bus.
第三幕——在公共汽车后面重播。
In that act, Sarah Vowell explains what happens when we, as a nation, keep telling ourselves the same political fable over and over long past the point where it makes any sense to.
在那一幕中，莎拉·沃威尔解释了当我们作为一个国家，一遍又一遍地不断地告诉自己同样的政治寓言时，会发生什么，而这已经超出了它的意义。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One-- Action!
第一幕——行动！
Action!
行动！
Action!
行动！
Well, Starlee Kine, who you just met, somebody who loves reruns more than anyone who I've ever known, came upon a rerun moment.
好吧，你刚刚认识的斯塔莉·凯恩（Starlee Kine），他是我认识的人中最热爱重播的人，他遇到了重播的时刻。
An entire film caught in a rerun in a way that dumbfounded even her.
整部电影重播的方式甚至让她都目瞪口呆。
The film is called The Beaver Trilogy , and she put together this story about it.
这部电影被称为《海狸三部曲》，她整理了这个关于它的故事。
10 minutes into watching The Beaver Trilogy I could already feel how much I'd be talking about it.
观看《海狸三部曲》十分钟后，我就已经感觉到我会谈论它。
Once it was over, I felt mournful that I'd never be able to see it again for the first time.
结束后，我感到悲伤，因为我再也无法看到它了。
Everything about it is so surprising and unexpected, the way movies almost never are.
它的一切都是如此令人惊讶和出乎意料，电影几乎从来没有这样。
And what I'm going to try to do right now, here on the radio, is to recreate for you what it's like to see it.
我现在要做的就是在广播中为你们重现观看它的感觉。
Are you typing it?
你在打字吗？
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
When can I see this?
我什么时候可以看到这个？
It's starts with a hand held camera moving up to a kid in the middle of an empty parking lot.
一开始，一台手持摄像机移动到一个空荡荡的停车场中间的一个孩子身上。
The kid's taking pictures of a parked TV news traffic helicopter.
那孩子正在拍摄一架停泊的电视新闻交通直升机。
He realizes he's being filmed, and starts into a John Wayne impersonation.
他意识到自己正在被拍摄，并开始模仿约翰·韦恩。
John Wayne?
约翰·韦恩？
Here.
这里。
Mom.
妈妈。
Here is John Wayne.
这是约翰·韦恩。
Yo, while I'll tell ya something out there in TV land, I'm hamming it up.
哟，虽然我会在电视领域告诉你一些事情，但我只是在夸夸其谈。
I'll tell you.
我告诉你。
The kid's wearing '70s clothes, bell-bottom jeans and a shirt with racing stripes.
这孩子穿着 70 年代的衣服、喇叭裤和带有赛车条纹的衬衫。
He has a Casio watch on.
他戴着一块卡西欧手表。
He looks to be in his early 20s.
他看上去20岁出头。
He cycles through a couple more impersonations, Barry Manilow, Rocky Balboa.
他还多次模仿过巴里·曼尼洛（Barry Manilow）和洛基·巴尔博亚（Rocky Balboa）。
He's a good guy, you know.
他是个好人，你知道的。
He knows his fight.
他知道他的战斗。
He knows his left from his right.
他知道他的左边和右边。
He knows his left toe from his right toe, you know.
他知道他的左脚趾和右脚趾。
He's a good guy, and he loves his wife, Adrian, you know.
他是个好人，你知道，他爱他的妻子阿德里安。
So, anyway.
所以，无论如何。
I love it up here though.
不过我很喜欢这里。
I was just taking some pictures of Sky two over there, and man, it's really fantastic out here.
我只是在那边拍了一些天空二号的照片，伙计，这里真的太棒了。
I love it.
我喜欢它。
I love it up here.
我喜欢这里。
I love impersonating and, by gosh, if I made the tube, I just thank you so much.
我喜欢模仿，天哪，如果我制作了这个管子，我非常感谢你。
I really do.
我真的这么做。
So, boy I can't believe this.
所以，孩子，我简直不敢相信这一点。
This is actual live, huh?
这才是真正的直播吧？
Well, it's not going out yet, but it will.
好吧，它还没有消失，但它会的。
Well, I'd like to get a picture of you.
嗯，我想给你拍张照片。
That would be great.
那太好了。
Sure.
当然。
Grooving Gary In The Beaver Trilogy OK, smile, you're on Candid Camera .
海狸三部曲中的加里 好吧，微笑，你在偷拍镜头上。
Don't you love this kid?
你不爱这个孩子吗？
You love him, but you don't know why you love him, right?
你爱他，但你不知道为什么爱他，对吗？
When I saw this in the theater, I couldn't get over what a great idea he was.
当我在剧院看到这个时，我无法理解他是一个多么好的主意。
I loved that someone thought up a character his is so excited just to be taking pictures of a news helicopter parked on a strip of highway.
我喜欢有人想出了一个角色，他只是为了拍摄停在高速公路上的新闻直升机的照片而感到非常兴奋。
It's only later, after the movie was over, that I learned that I wasn't watching a feature film at all.
直到后来，电影结束后，我才知道我根本没有在看故事片。
It's a documentary shot in 1979.
这是一部1979年拍摄的纪录片。
This kid's real.
这孩子是真的。
Basically, what happened is I was working at a television station in Salt Lake City, and they had a new gadget called a video camera.
基本上，发生的事情是我在盐湖城的一家电视台工作，他们有一个叫做摄像机的新设备。
And I walked out into the parking lot to test out a camera.
我走进停车场测试相机。
This is Trent Harris, the film's director.
我是特伦特·哈里斯，这部电影的导演。
And saw this fellow, and he sort of walked up to me, and away he went.
看到这个家伙，他走到我面前，然后就走了。
It took 30 seconds, and I was so enthralled with him that I knew that I just had to keep filming him.
花了 30 秒，我被他迷住了，我知道我必须继续拍摄他。
It's my little car.
这是我的小车。
My little '64 Chevy.
我的小 64 雪佛兰。
Hang on, let me kind of straighten it up before I get on the tube.
等一下，让我在上地铁之前先把它弄直。
And then he's so excited, he just keeps going, rambling, rambling, rambling.
然后他就非常兴奋，继续胡言乱语，胡言乱语，胡言乱语。
Yeah, I'm from Beaver.
是的，我来自比弗。
Trent Harris Beaver is a small kind of farming town.
特伦特·哈里斯·比弗 (Trent Harris Beaver) 是一个小型农业小镇。
It's not close to anything really.
它实际上与任何东西都不接近。
What goes on in Beaver?
海狸身上发生了什么？
It's just kind of a town where you drag main at night, go to school in the daytime.
这就是一个晚上拖着主线、白天去上学的小镇。
I'm not in school now, but I used to be.
我现在不在学校，但我以前在学校。
I'm 21 now so.
我现在21岁了。
Just kind of out working for the Union Pacific Railroad.
只是在联合太平洋铁路公司工作。
It turns out that he's driven from Beaver just that very morning.
事实证明，他就在那天早上被赶出了比弗。
His plan was to go to the news station and try and get on TV.
他的计划是去新闻台尝试上电视。
So when Trent approached, it was almost like the Beaver kid had been expecting it.
所以当特伦特走近时，海狸小子几乎就已经预料到了。
But I love hamming it up.
但我喜欢把它搞砸。
You can tell.
你可以说出来。
Well, I'm on TV.
嗯，我在电视上。
I can't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
Just in the right place at the right time I guess.
我想只是在正确的时间出现在正确的地点。
Part of what makes watching the movie so great is the obvious joy the two of them feel over having found each other.
观看这部电影如此精彩的部分原因在于他们两人找到彼此后所感受到的明显喜悦。
If Trent had wandered out five minutes later, the kid probably would have been heading back home.
如果特伦特五分钟后出去，那孩子可能就会回家了。
If the kid had come the next day, Trent wouldn't have been there filming.
如果孩子第二天来的话，特伦特就不会去那里拍摄了。
It was just a lucky accident that they met, and it changed their lives forever.
他们的相遇只是一场幸运的意外，却永远改变了他们的生活。
Dear Trent, how's things going up there?
亲爱的特伦特，那里怎么样？
I hope OK.
我希望可以。
I hope I haven't bothered you in any way with the calls that I have made.
我希望我打的电话没有打扰您。
If I have, I'm sorry, really.
如果有的话，我很抱歉，真的。
This is the very next scene.
这就是下一个场景。
There's an image of somebody holding a handwritten note.
有一张有人拿着一张手写便条的图片。
You have no idea what's happening.
你不知道发生了什么。
And slowly you realize that it's a letter from the Beaver Kid.
慢慢地你意识到这是海狸小子的一封信。
He's assembled a talent show, and he wants Trent to come down and film it.
他准备了一场才艺表演，他希望特伦特下来拍摄。
The show is scheduled to come off on the 31st.
该剧预计31日播出。
Please, Trent, come down.
特伦特，请下来。
I'm begging, I'm pleading.
我在哀求，我在恳求。
PS, I will be putting on my makeup at the open mortuary at 8:00 AM.
PS，我将于上午 8:00 在开放太平间化妆。
You may want to get some shots.
您可能想拍一些照片。
Jeez, let's see.
哎呀，让我们看看。
How are we going to do this now?
我们现在要怎么做呢？
And sure enough, the next shot we're at a mortuary, as if that makes any sense at all.
果然，下一个镜头我们在太平间，好像这有任何意义。
The Beaver Kid sits with his hair clipped back away from his face.
海狸小子坐着，头发从脸上剪到后面。
The local mortician applies eye shadow, mascara, rouge, and lipstick.
当地殡葬师会涂抹眼影、睫毛膏、胭脂和口红。
I'm guessing, because she's the most qualified person in town to do it, but no one explains.
我猜是因为她是城里最有资格做这件事的人，但没有人解释。
The Kid seems different than he was in the parking lot, way more nervous.
这孩子看起来和停车场里的不一样，紧张多了。
Well, Trent, I think I'll go get into my threads.
好吧，特伦特，我想我该开始讨论我的话题了。
The mortician smiles encouragingly.
殡葬师露出鼓励的微笑。
Let's get you wiggy on, she says.
让我们给你戴上假发吧，她说。
Let's get your wiggy on.
让我们戴上你的假发吧。
Grooving Gary In The Beaver Trilogy Get my wig on.
《海狸三部曲》中的加里（Gary） 戴上我的假发。
And pretty soon he's in character, wearing a bulky leather jacket, tight black jeans, and a blond wig that hangs down to his waist.
很快他就进入了角色，穿着一件笨重的皮夹克，一条紧身黑色牛仔裤，戴着一顶垂到腰间的金色假发。
He's supposed to be Olivia Newton-John.
他应该是奥利维亚·牛顿-约翰。
My purse, Olivia.
我的钱包，奥利维亚。
Well, I really don't know what to say now.
嗯，我现在真的不知道该说什么了。
I guess I ought to get down in a minute.
我想我应该马上就下来。
And I'm off.
我走了。
Watching all this, the thought doesn't occur to you that the kid's gay or closeted.
看着这一切，你不会想到这孩子是同性恋或者没有出柜。
And I don't think he in fact is.
我认为他实际上不是。
He's more like an overgrown boy dressing up for Halloween, doing the most outrageous thing he can think of.
他更像是一个为万圣节打扮的大男孩，做着他能想到的最离谱的事情。
He can barely suppress the giggles as he zips into his knee-high boots.
当他穿上及膝靴子时，他几乎无法抑制住咯咯的笑声。
Again, here's Trent.
特伦特又来了。
You know, I grew up in a small town too, and I know what it's like to be on the outside.
你知道，我也在一个小镇长大，我知道外面的生活是什么样的。
It's very difficult.
这是非常困难的。
There's an awful lot of pressure from the school, from the church, from your family, from everything to make you conform.
来自学校、教会、家庭以及一切事物的巨大压力让你顺从。
And you just can't go around dressing up like Olivia Newton-John without people getting cranky.
你不可能像奥利维亚·牛顿·约翰那样打扮得像奥利维亚·牛顿·约翰那样，而不会让人们变得暴躁。
For a decade Joan and Julie [?
十年来琼和朱莉[？
Kesser ?] have been singing before audiences throughout Beaver County and the state.
凯瑟？] 一直在海狸县和全州的观众面前演唱。
They have performed on the Eugene Jelesnik Show.
他们曾在尤金·耶勒斯尼克秀上表演。
The next thing you see is a man with a mustache standing on the stage of a school auditorium.
接下来你看到的是一个留着小胡子的男人站在学校礼堂的舞台上。
He's the Beaver High School vice principal, who the kid has recruited to serve as the talent show MC.
他是海狸高中的副校长，被那孩子招募来担任选秀节目的主持人。
Joan and Julie [?
琼和朱莉[？
Kesser ?] will now sing "The Happiest Girl in the Whole USA."
凯瑟？]现在将演唱“全美国最幸福的女孩”。
[SINGING] Starlee Kine The whole thing is like this.
[歌唱] Starlee Kine 整个事情就是这样。
There's a drill team, a ventriloquist act.
有一个训练队，一个口技表演。
It's all pretty much what you expect from a small town talent show until the Beaver Kid comes out.
在《海狸小子》上映之前，这一切几乎都是你对小镇才艺表演的期待。
Ladies and gentleman, Olivia Newton-Don.
女士们先生们，奥利维亚·牛顿-唐。
[MUSIC PLAYING] [SINGING] Starlee Kine It doesn't matter that he can't really sing, or that he looks nothing like Olivia Newton-John.
[音乐播放] [唱歌] Starlee Kine 他不会唱歌，或者他看起来一点也不像奥利维亚·牛顿-约翰，但这并不重要。
Watching the kid perform is totally riveting.
观看孩子的表演真是令人着迷。
His eyes are closed, and his face looks pained.
他的眼睛闭着，脸上看起来很痛苦。
He's singing directly into the camera.
他直接对着镜头唱歌。
[SINGING] Starlee Kine It goes on for a long time.
[歌唱] Starlee Kine 这持续了很长时间。
It's so long and so raw that you worry.
它又长又原始，让你担心。
You feel like maybe you shouldn't be watching.
你觉得也许你不应该看。
It feels too personal.
感觉太个人化了。
You have no idea what's going to happen next.
你不知道接下来会发生什么。
And at the same time, you're aware he's orchestrated this whole elaborate event at 11:00 on a Saturday morning to a half-empty theater just so he can be up on stage at this moment and be put on TV.
与此同时，你知道他在周六上午 11:00 在半空的剧院精心策划了整个活动，这样他就可以在此时登上舞台并出现在电视上。
It's like watching someone finally get what they've always needed.
这就像看着某人最终得到他们一直需要的东西。
Soon enough, the screen fades to black.
很快，屏幕就变黑了。
Then something happens I never would have seen coming.
然后发生了一些我从未预见到的事情。
A new scene opens.
新的场景开启。
A handheld camera shakily approaches a kid taking pictures in the middle of an empty parking lot.
一台手持相机摇摇晃晃地靠近一个在空荡荡的停车场中间拍照的孩子。
Wow.
哇。
Are you filming this?
你在拍这个吗？
Trent Harris In The Beaver Trilogy Yeah.
海狸三部曲中的特伦特·哈里斯 是的。
I can't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
I can't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
I never been on a set before.
我以前从未去过片场。
Everything's exactly the same.
一切都一模一样。
Except this time, instead of the Beaver Kid, it's Sean Penn.
只是这一次，不是海狸小子，而是西恩·潘。
Sean Penn.
西恩·潘.
I'm lucky I came on.
我很幸运我来了。
I'm an impersonator.
我是一个模仿者。
I'll do a John Wayne.
我会演约翰·韦恩。
All right, go ahead.
好吧，继续吧。
Sean Penn In The Beaver Trilogy Well, I'll tell you out there in TV land, I just made extra, and I'm just tickled to death.
海狸三部曲中的西恩·潘 好吧，我会告诉你在电视领域，我只是做了额外的事情，我只是被逗乐了。
I love hamming it up, you can tell.
我喜欢把它搞砸，你可以看出来。
When you watch the movie, there is no explanation for any of this.
当你看电影时，没有任何解释。
You have no idea why it's happening again, this time to one of the most famous actors in the world.
你不知道为什么这种事会再次发生，而且这次是发生在世界上最著名的演员之一身上。
But I can explain.
但我可以解释一下。
Shortly after Trent shot the talent show, he moved out to Hollywood with dreams of making it big.
特伦特拍摄选秀节目后不久，怀揣着成名的梦想搬到了好莱坞。
But his first film was an unlikely vehicle to stardom.
但他的第一部电影不太可能成为明星。
A virtually plotless single character dramatization of the documentary he'd already made.
这是对他已经制作的纪录片的几乎无情节的单角色戏剧化。
He wrote out a script and started looking for a leading man.
他写好了剧本，开始寻找男主角。
It was 1981.
那是1981年。
Sean Penn had just finished filming Fast Times at Ridgemont High , and within a year he'd be a full-fledged movie star.
西恩·潘刚刚在里奇蒙特高中完成了《开放时光》的拍摄，一年之内他就成为了一名成熟的电影明星。
But when Trent found him, Sean Penn was just another unknown actor looking for work.
但当特伦特找到他时，西恩·潘只是另一位正在寻找工作的无名演员。
Once again, Trent lucked out.
特伦特再一次幸运了。
Basically, I didn't have any money.
基本上，我没有钱。
I'm shooting this thing with a home video camera.
我正在用家用摄像机拍摄这个东西。
You can't believe some of the people I auditioned for this, Nick Cage, Eric Stoltz, Anthony Edwards.
你无法相信我为此试镜的一些人，尼克·凯奇、埃里克·斯托尔兹、安东尼·爱德华兹。
Really?
真的吗？
Trent Harris These people all wanted to play this part.
特伦特·哈里斯这些人都想扮演这个角色。
And somebody said, you ought to call this guy, Sean Penn, on the phone.
有人说，你应该给西恩·潘这个人打电话。
I didn't know who he was.
我不知道他是谁。
I made him an addition for the role.
我让他加入这个角色。
And he came down to the place I was at, and rather than have him read lines, he decided that what he wanted to do was just become the character.
他来到我所在的地方，并没有让他读台词，而是决定他想做的就是成为角色。
And that he would follow me around for for the rest of the day.
并且他会在这一天剩下的时间里跟着我。
So he became my cousin Larry from Idaho.
所以他成了我来自爱达荷州的表弟拉里。
And then he just followed me around that day.
然后那天他就跟着我到处走。
And I introduced him to people as my cousin from Idaho named Larry.
我向人们介绍他时，他是我来自爱达荷州的表弟，名叫拉里。
And he acted the part out.
他把这个角色演了出来。
And it was really kind of funny, because a year later people would come up to me and say, boy your cousin's really become a big star.
这真的很有趣，因为一年后人们会来找我说，天哪，你的表弟真的成为了大明星。
Let's get your wiggy on.
让我们戴上你的假发吧。
Sean Penn In The Beaver Trilogy Let's get my wiggy on, and Olivia will just about be here.
《海狸三部曲》中的西恩·潘 (Sean Penn) 让我们戴上假发，奥利维亚就在这里。
Hello, I really don't know quite what to say.
你好，我真的不知道该说什么。
I guess we ought to be going.
我想我们该走了。
It's practically a shot for shot remake.
这实际上是一个重拍镜头。
[MUSIC PLAYING] [SINGING] Starlee Kine The only difference between this version and the one with the real kid is the ending.
[音乐播放] [唱歌] Starlee Kine 这个版本与真实孩子版本之间的唯一区别是结局。
After the concert, Sean Penn, whose character's name is Larry, goes home and calls up the director on the phone and asks him not to play the footage on TV.
演唱会结束后，西恩·潘（饰演拉里）回家后给导演打电话，要求他不要在电视上播放这段视频。
He's worried people will take it the wrong way.
他担心人们会以错误的方式理解它。
The director refuses.
导演拒绝了。
Sean Penn drops the phone and picks up a shotgun.
西恩·潘放下电话，拿起一把猎枪。
He puts the barrel in his mouth and cocks the trigger.
他把枪管放进嘴里，扣动扳机。
[PHONE RINGING] Then the phone rings.
[电话铃声] 然后电话铃声响起。
Yes.
是的。
Carissa In The Beaver Trilogy Hello, Larry?
海狸三部曲中的卡丽莎 你好，拉里？
This is Carissa.
这是卡丽莎。
Listen, I thought your performance at the talent show was really funny.
听着，我觉得你在才艺表演上的表演真的很有趣。
I can hardly wait to see it on TV.
我迫不及待地想在电视上看到它。
Anyway, I'm having a party Saturday night.
不管怎样，周六晚上我要举办一个聚会。
Would you like to come and act like Olivia?
你想来模仿奥利维亚吗？
Sean Penn puts on his Olivia wig, blinks away his tears, and starts singing into a hair brush.
西恩·潘戴上奥利维亚假发，眨掉眼泪，开始对着发刷唱歌。
It all feels very melodramatic and pat and unbelievable, like a tacked on Hollywood ending.
这一切都让人感觉非常戏剧化、轻描淡写、令人难以置信，就像好莱坞的结局一样。
And then the screen goes black.
然后屏幕变黑。
The movie seems to be over.
电影似乎结束了。
And then, a handheld camera, a parking lot, a kid taking pictures.
然后，手持相机、停车场、一个正在拍照的孩子。
Yeah.
是的。
Crispin Glover In The Beaver Trilogy Wow, oh gosh, I've been wanting to get on the tube so bad.
《海狸三部曲》中的克里斯平·格洛弗（Crispin Glover） 哇，天哪，我一直很想上电视。
Everything's exactly the same.
一切都一模一样。
Except this time, instead of a young Sean Penn, it's a young Crispin Glover, Crispin Glover.
只是这一次，不是年轻的西恩·潘，而是年轻的克里斯平·格洛弗，克里斯平·格洛弗。
That's right, the guy that played Michael J.
没错，就是扮演 Michael J. 的那个人。
Fox's dad in Back to the Future .
《回到未来》中福克斯的爸爸。
Well, let's see here.
好吧，让我们看看这里。
Here's a little bit of the old John Wayne for you.
这是给你的一点老约翰·韦恩的故事。
Well, let me tell ya, something out there in TV land.
好吧，让我告诉你，电视领域里有一些东西。
I just made the tube, and it just tickles the heck right out of me.
我刚刚做了管子，它让我感到很痒。
The rest is the same too.
其余的也一样。
There's Crispin in the mortuary.
克里斯平在太平间里。
There's Crispin at the town talent show.
克里斯平正在参加镇上的才艺表演。
[SINGING] Starlee Kine But while the first two versions of the story were basically made with a home video camera and looked it, this one looks like a real movie.
[演唱] Starlee Kine 但是，虽然这个故事的前两个版本基本上是用家用摄像机制作的，而且看上去也一样，但这个版本看起来就像一部真实的电影。
It's shot on film.
它是用胶片拍摄的。
There's lighting and extras and actual sets.
有灯光、临时演员和实际布景。
It also cost a lot more.
它也花费了更多。
Trent spent $50,000 on it.
特伦特为此花费了 5 万美元。
And, as is often the case in Hollywood, the big budget remake is not as good as the original.
而且，正如好莱坞经常出现的情况一样，大预算的翻拍作品并不如原作那么好。
Trent adds a whole new backstory to make the Beaver Kid seem like an heroic outsider.
特伦特添加了一个全新的背景故事，使海狸小子看起来像一个英雄的局外人。
People are constantly mocking him, sticking tacks on his chair, telling him he'll never make it onto TV.
人们不断地嘲笑他，在他的椅子上贴大头钉，告诉他他永远不会上电视。
And the director is an oily, villainous, mustachioed type name Terrance.
导演是一个油腻、邪恶、留着小胡子的特伦斯。
And just like in the Sean Penn version, Crispin pulls out a gun after the talent show and considers killing himself.
就像西恩·潘版本一样，克里斯平在才艺表演结束后掏出枪，考虑自杀。
He calls the director and begs him not to put the footage on TV.
他打电话给导演，恳求他不要把这段视频放到电视上。
[PHONE RINGING]
[电话铃声]
Hello?
你好？
Crispin Glover In The Beaver Trilogy Terrance, how ya pal?
海狸三部曲中的克里斯平·格洛弗 特伦斯，你好吗？
I hope you don't think I'm crazy for this, but I'm a little worried about that Olivia number.
我希望你不要认为我为此疯狂，但我有点担心奥利维亚的号码。
And I'd be willing to pay for your gas, and film and stuff if you just wouldn't put it on TV.
如果你不把它放到电视上，我愿意支付你的汽油费、电影费和其他东西的钱。
I put a lot of time and effort into this project.
我在这个项目上投入了大量的时间和精力。
Look, people are going to love it.
看，人们会喜欢它的。
You look great.
你看起来棒极了。
And besides, I got a deadline to meet.
此外，我还有一个截止日期。
Would I lie to you?
我会骗你吗？
I emerge as a character in this series.
我作为这个系列中的一个角色出现。
And I guess my character is just kind of a jerk, for lack of a better word.
我想我的角色就是个混蛋，因为找不到更好的词来形容。
He is very insensitive and very, sort of, just after a story and nothing else, and very exploitative.
他非常麻木不仁，非常，有点，只关注一个故事，没有别的，而且非常具有剥削性。
When I asked Trent why he felt the need to add the phone call, and the gun, and exploitative director character, at first he says, it was just for dramatic effect.
当我问特伦特为什么他觉得有必要添加电话、枪和剥削性的导演角色时，起初他说，这只是为了戏剧效果。
He tells me every movie needs a villain.
他告诉我每部电影都需要一个反派。
He tells me reality doesn't have anything to do with anything.
他告诉我现实与任何事情都没有任何关系。
He tells me to shut up.
他叫我闭嘴。
And then, finally, an hour into our interview, he tells me this.
最后，在我们采访一小时后，他告诉了我这一点。
What happened?
发生了什么？
I did get a phone call.
我确实接到电话了。
I did get a phone call after I'd been in Beaver.
我到比弗后确实接到了一个电话。
And the phone call said, listen I've been thinking about that, maybe you shouldn't put it on TV.
电话里说，听着，我一直在想这个，也许你不应该把它放在电视上。
And I remember saying, oh, don't worry about it.
我记得我说过，哦，别担心。
It's going to be fine.
一切都会好起来的。
And maybe I wasn't as sensitive as I should have been or could have been.
也许我没有本应或本应那么敏感。
Not too long after that, I found out that he'd been shot.
不久之后，我发现他被枪杀了。
Trent called the hospital, and was told the Beaver Kid had an accident with a gun.
特伦特给医院打电话，被告知海狸小子用枪发生了事故。
The kid was OK though, able to talk on the phone.
不过孩子还好，可以打电话。
And then he just kept apologizing to me, which was kind of very confusing.
然后他一直向我道歉，这有点令人困惑。
Very sorry that he'd put me through what he was putting me through.
非常抱歉他让我经历了他现在让我经历的事情。
Which seemed kind of odd at the time, because I felt like I should be apologizing to him.
当时这看起来有点奇怪，因为我觉得我应该向他道歉。
I guess I felt like maybe I'd pushed him a little bit too much.
我想我觉得我可能把他逼得太紧了。
The Beaver Kid declined my request for an interview.
海狸小子拒绝了我的采访请求。
After all that, Trent quit his TV job, never airing his footage of the talent show, and drove to Hollywood where he immediately started working on the Sean Penn version of the story.
之后，特伦特辞去了电视工作，从未播放过他的选秀节目片段，并开车前往好莱坞，在那里他立即开始制作西恩·潘版本的故事。
Still thinking about how he'd originally ignored the kid's request not to broadcast the footage and how the kid ended up in the hospital.
还在想他最初是如何无视孩子不播放这段视频的要求的，以及孩子最后是如何进了医院的。
I mean, in my mind, I connect them together.
我的意思是，在我看来，我将它们联系在一起。
I don't know whether it's true or not, but in my mind I connect it together.
我不知道这是真的还是假的，但我在心里把它联系在一起。
Again, I'm very, very reluctant to talk about what is going on in his mind or to speculate that way.
再说一次，我非常非常不愿意谈论他的想法或以这种方式推测。
I don't think it's fair.
我认为这不公平。
I mean, but it seems more about you though.
我的意思是，但这似乎更多是关于你的。
It seems more about--
似乎更多是关于——
If you're asking me, and I think you're trying to, if I feel guilty about anything that has happened?
如果你问我，我想你正在尝试问，我是否对发生的事情感到内疚？
The answer to that is yes.
答案是肯定的。
Of course, I do feel guilty about things.
当然，我确实对一些事情感到内疚。
I feel guilty about putting myself and my needs above other people's needs, above his needs.
我因为将自己和自己的需求置于他人的需求之上、置于他的需求之上而感到内疚。
I wasn't appreciative of that, and sensitive of that.
我对此并不欣赏，也不敏感。
And for that, I've always felt guilty.
为此，我一直感到内疚。
And there you have it.
现在你就得到了它。
That's why I keep making this damn thing over and over again.
这就是为什么我一遍又一遍地做这个该死的东西。
Now can we quit?
现在我们可以退出了吗？
You know, you're the one who made these movies.
你知道，你是制作这些电影的人。
You set yourself up for this whole chain of events here.
您在这里为这整个事件链做好了准备。
So then, did you feel better after?
那么，之后你感觉好点了吗？
Right now, I feel terrible.
现在，我感觉很糟糕。
It's getting worse.
情况越来越糟。
Good, I think we're having a breakthrough here.
很好，我认为我们在这里取得了突破。
How about a cup to go?
去一杯怎么样？
Starlee Kine The third version of the story, like the Sean Penn version, has a happy ending.
斯塔莉·凯恩故事的第三个版本，就像西恩·潘的版本一样，有一个幸福的结局。
Crispin Glover wears his Olivia Newton-John outfit out in public.
克里斯平·格洛弗 (Crispin Glover) 在公共场合穿着奥利维亚·牛顿·约翰 (Olivia Newton-John) 服装。
He doesn't care what people think anymore, and then he literally drives off into the sunset.
他不再关心人们的想法，然后他就开车驶向夕阳。
[MOTORCYCLE REVVING AND MUSIC PLAYING]
[摩托车转速和音乐播放]
The screen fades to black.
屏幕逐渐变黑。
When I saw this in the theater, everyone in the audience hesitated for a minute before standing up.
当我在剧院看到这一幕时，观众们都犹豫了一分钟才站起来。
We didn't know who might walk out onto that parking lot next.
我们不知道谁会下一个走出停车场。
What's so crazy about Trent spending years making the exact same movie over and over, is not what he added to the film each time, but what he kept the same.
特伦特花费数年时间一遍又一遍地制作同一部电影的疯狂之处不是他每次都添加到电影中的内容，而是他保留了相同的内容。
Trent could've shot anywhere in the world, anything he wanted, but instead he kept coming back to the same drab parking lot.
特伦特本可以在世界任何地方、任何他想要的地方拍摄，但他却总是回到同一个单调的停车场。
Details that would seem totally random to anyone watching, he repeats.
他重复道，对于任何观看的人来说，这些细节似乎完全是随机的。
Like any obsession, it's always the most mundane things you can't shake.
就像任何痴迷一样，它始终是你无法摆脱的最平凡的事情。
So what you end up with is a series of movies that only make sense to the person who made them.
所以你最终得到的是一系列只对制作它们的人有意义的电影。
The same story, over and over, with inexplicably happy endings thrown on.
同样的故事，一遍又一遍，却有着莫名其妙的幸福结局。
If I hadn't talked to Trent, I still would've loved these movies, but I would have had no idea what they were about.
如果我没有和特伦特交谈，我仍然会喜欢这些电影，但我不会知道它们在讲什么。
But that's OK.
但没关系。
Because they weren't meant for us anyway.
因为它们本来就不适合我们。
After Trent finished the last version of the film in 1985, he did the same thing that he'd done with the first two, absolutely nothing.
1985 年特伦特完成了电影的最后一个版本后，他做了与前两个版本相同的事情，完全没有。
13 years later, he came across all three of them in his closet and hooked them together onto one reel for the first time.
13 年后，他在衣柜里发现了这三个作品，并第一次将它们挂在一个卷轴上。
He screened it at a local theater in Utah.
他在犹他州当地的一家剧院放映了这部电影。
One thing led to another, and he was invited to screen it at the Sundance Film Festival.
一件事接二连三，他被邀请在圣丹斯电影节上放映这部电影。
For the first time in 22 years, Trent had to find the Beaver Kid.
22 年来，特伦特第一次必须找到海狸小子。
He had a friend track him down to invite him to Sundance.
他有一个朋友找到他并邀请他参加圣丹斯电影节。
So I mean, you've got to imagine this.
所以我的意思是，你必须想象这一点。
You've got to take this into perspective.
你必须正确看待这一点。
Is that he doesn't know.
难道他不知道吗。
This happens in 1979 and in 2001 he gets a phone call that says this is going to play at the Sundance Film Festival.
这件事发生在 1979 年，2001 年他接到电话说这部电影将在圣丹斯电影节上放映。
Well, just before the show starts, the tickets haven't been picked up.
嗯，就在演出开始之前，票还没有被取走。
What happens is that we show the movie.
发生的事情是我们放映电影。
It's a huge screening.
这是一场巨大的放映。
There are 1,400 people there.
那里有 1,400 人。
And after the screening, there's a bunch of people run up to the stage and ask more questions, stuff like that.
放映结束后，有一群人跑到舞台上提出更多问题，诸如此类。
All of a sudden, out of this sea of faces, one emerges.
突然，从这片人海中，出现了一个人。
And he says, you probably don't remember me.
他说，你可能不记得我了。
And I immediately recognized who he was.
我立刻认出了他是谁。
And I grabbed him and dragged him out the side door into a snow drift.
我抓住他，把他从侧门拖到雪堆里。
There was a lot of, huh, well, I mean, what have you-- well, I mean, wow-- That was really something.
有很多，嗯，嗯，我的意思是，你有什么——嗯，我的意思是，哇——那真是太棒了。
I can't believe.
我不敢相信。
And then I'd say something like, yeah, I mean, wow, I tried to find you, but I didn't know where you were.
然后我会说，是的，我的意思是，哇，我试图找到你，但我不知道你在哪里。
And look at all this snow, and here comes a bunch of people.
看看这么多雪，这里来了一群人。
And then he'd say, oh my gosh, and I still have that car.
然后他会说，天哪，我还留着那辆车。
And oh, you must think I'm some sort or a nut.
哦，你一定认为我是个疯子。
And what in the heck is going on?
到底发生了什么？
Where all these people coming from?
这些人从哪里来？
Do they think I'm some sort of a nut?
他们认为我是个疯子吗？
Ans I said, No, no, everybody loves you, it's great.
我说，不，不，每个人都爱你，这太棒了。
I mean, it was that kind of a conversation.
我的意思是，这就是一次谈话。
And then we're mobbed.
然后我们就被围攻了。
All of the sudden, there's 50 people standing around taking pictures and asking for his autograph.
突然间，有 50 个人站在那里拍照并索要他的签名。
He doen't know.
他不知道。
He just starts signing autographs, and then kind of slipped right into it as if he'd been doing it for years.
他刚开始签名，然后就投入其中，就好像他已经这样做了很多年一样。
After the screening, I took him to the big Sundance party at the end of the festival.
放映结束后，我带他去参加电影节结束时举行的盛大的圣丹斯派对。
There is a huge, huge party under a big tent.
大帐篷下正在举办一场盛大的聚会。
The room's filled with movie stars and all kinds of glamorous people drinking champagne and having a heck of time.
房间里挤满了电影明星和各种迷人的人，他们喝着香槟，玩得很开心。
And nobody cared about the movie stars.
没有人关心电影明星。
They were all around him.
他们都在他周围。
They're asking him questions and getting his autograph.
他们向他提问并索要他的签名。
And beautiful women hanging on his arm and running off to get him a glass of beer.
美丽的女人挂在他的手臂上，跑去给他倒一杯啤酒。
It was incredible.
这太不可思议了。
It was great.
太棒了。
Literally, he was the biggest star in the room.
从字面上看，他是房间里最大的明星。
So was it a relief?
那么这是一种解脱吗？
Trent Harris It was a tremendous relief for me.
特伦特·哈里斯（Trent Harris） 这对我来说是一种巨大的解脱。
Trent kept remaking the same film because he wanted it to come out right.
特伦特不断翻拍同一部电影，因为他希望电影能有好的结果。
He wanted to give the kid a happy ending.
他想给孩子一个美好的结局。
And somehow, the plan worked.
不知怎的，这个计划奏效了。
The Beaver Kid wanted to be a star.
海狸小子想成为明星。
22 years passed, and in the end, he was.
22年过去了，他终于还是了。
And what happened in between doesn't have to make sense.
而中间发生的事情不一定有意义。
Starlee Kine.
斯塔莉·凯恩.
Trent Harris's Beaver Trilogy is not in distribution.
特伦特·哈里斯的海狸三部曲尚未发行。
It's not available in stores.
它在商店中不可用。
It will not be coming to a theater near you.
它不会出现在您附近的剧院。
And maybe it's not over yet.
也许事情还没有结束。
He came up with an idea.
他想出了一个主意。
He said, hey we ought to do part four.
他说，嘿，我们应该做第四部分。
He had an idea, and I said, well, what's your idea?
他有一个想法，我说，好吧，你的想法是什么？
And he says, "Well, OK, imagine this.
他说：“好吧，想象一下。
We're out on the sagebrush, nothing around except a long, long, dirt road.
我们在山艾树丛中，除了一条很长很长的土路，周围什么也没有。
And you hear the music begin to creep up.
你听到音乐开始响起。
And then over the horizon comes my car, in a cloud of dust, and I come.
然后我的车在地平线上出现，在一片尘土中，我来了。
And I whip right up in front of the camera, and I screech to a halt.
我在镜头前猛地一跳，然后尖叫着停了下来。
And as the dust clears, I lean out the window in my wig and I say, 'I ain't done yet.'" So we might do it this summer.
当尘埃散去时，我戴着假发探出窗外，说道：“我还没完成。”所以我们可能会在今年夏天这样做。
You might?
你可能会吗？
Trent Harris Of course I will.
特伦特·哈里斯 我当然会的。
What?
什么？
You have to film that.
你必须把它拍下来。
That sounds great.
听起来很棒。
Coming up, sticking around after the break, is that a heroic act?
中场休息后继续上场，这是英雄行为吗？
A [?
一个[?
can do ?], starring the Montgomery Bus Boycott.
能做什么？]，主演蒙哥马利巴士抵制运动。
We are pro and con-- well, mostly con actually.
我们是赞成者还是反对者——嗯，实际上主要是反对者。
When we return in a minute.
当我们一分钟后回来时。
From Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，来自芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose some theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，为您带来关于该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
If you're just tuning in today, we are talking about reruns, personal reruns.
如果您今天刚刚收看，我们正在谈论重播，个人重播。
We've arrive at Act 2 of our program.
我们已经到了计划的第二幕。
Act Two, Marriage As Rerun.
第二幕，婚姻重播。
And let us begin this act with this scene of people stuck in personal reruns.
让我们从人们陷入个人重播的场景开始这一幕。
A scene, I would bet, that you have probably been in yourself at one point or another.
我敢打赌，你可能曾经在某个时刻经历过这样的场景。
Carmen and Candido were out just the other night with a friend.
前几天晚上，卡门和坎迪多和一个朋友出去了。
And Carmen started telling a story about her nephew, Nikko.
卡门开始讲述她侄子尼科的故事。
And as soon as I say, well, when Nikko was three years old, one Sunday.
当我说，好吧，当尼科三岁的时候，一个周日。
Candido rolls his eyes.
坎迪多翻了个白眼。
See, the problem is, that I heard this story like 1,000 times.
你看，问题是，这个故事我已经听了 1000 遍了。
And I can't sit through it again.
我再也无法忍受这一切了。
Carmen tells the story the exact same way all the time.
卡门一直以完全相同的方式讲故事。
Because it's very funny.
因为这非常有趣。
Candido She should embellish it for me.
坎迪多 她应该为我修饰一下。
Now, Candido, are there stories that you tell over and over?
现在，坎迪多，你有没有一遍又一遍地讲述的故事？
Yes friends, it is a fact of married life, one that is almost never discussed, that being married, being in any couple for more than one night, I would argue, means hearing the same stories over and over from your partner, possibly for the rest of your life.
是的，朋友们，这是婚姻生活的一个事实，几乎从未被讨论过，我认为，结婚，在任何一对夫妇中度过一个以上的夜晚，意味着一遍又一遍地从你的伴侣那里听到同样的故事，可能会在你的余生中听到。
But have you noticed that of all the stories that could get told in front of each other, only certain stories do get told?
但是您是否注意到，在所有可以在彼此面前讲述的故事中，只有某些故事会被讲述？
Well, to understand the taxonomy of this, the ins and outs of this phenomenon, I spoke with three couples.
为了了解这种现象的分类、这种现象的来龙去脉，我采访了三对夫妇。
We begin with Carmen and Candido.
我们从卡门和坎迪多开始。
There is a story that he tells about the day that he got hurt on the subway and strangers came to his aid.
他讲了一个故事，那天他在地铁上受伤了，有陌生人来帮助他。
They live in New York City.
他们住在纽约市。
And this story comes up in any conversation where it might be necessary to prove the point that New Yorkers are not cold hearted but, in fact, helpful and kind to each other.
这个故事出现在任何可能有必要证明纽约人并不冷酷无情，而是互相帮助和友善的谈话中。
There are the stories that she tells about her nephew Nikko, which come up on when the topic of kids doing adorable things enters a conversation with her friends, usually with friends who have kids.
她讲述了关于她侄子 Nikko 的故事，当她与朋友（通常是有孩子的朋友）谈论孩子们做可爱的事情的话题时，就会出现这些故事。
And then there's the graduation story.
然后就是毕业故事了。
Whenever they're talking about embarrassing moments, I guess this is the one that gets told a lot.
每当他们谈论尴尬时刻时，我想这是被谈论最多的一个。
Our mother's story.
我们母亲的故事。
Carmen So should I tell my graduation story?
卡门 那么我应该讲一下我的毕业故事吗？
Candido rolled his eyes.
坎迪多翻了个白眼。
What happens in this story?
这个故事中发生了什么？
Yeah, tell me the story.
是的，告诉我这个故事。
OK, my mother was a teacher.
好吧，我妈妈是一名老师。
She's now a principal.
她现在是一名校长。
And she has that personality.
而她也有这样的性格。
Which is great.
这太棒了。
Very loving but very-- she's an Aries.
非常有爱心，但非常——她是白羊座。
Aggressive-- Carmen So I went to Catholic school, and when I was graduating from eighth grade, we had our our graduation in the church, in the school's church.
积极进取——卡门 所以我去了天主教学校，当我八年级毕业时，我们在学校的教堂里的教堂里举行了毕业典礼。
And [INAUDIBLE] of those Instamatic Kodak cameras.
还有[听不清]那些 Instamatic 柯达相机。
And she didn't advance the film when my name was called.
当我的名字被叫到时，她并没有推进电影。
And I went up there, and I received my diploma, and she didn't get a shot of that.
我去了那里，拿到了毕业证书，但她却没有看到。
So she goes, go back up there.
所以她走了，回到那里。
I was like, mom, you are not making me go back up there.
我当时想，妈妈，你不会让我回到那里的。
Oh my God.
我的天啊。
Carmen Yeah, completely.
卡门 是的，完全是。
In the church, in front of everybody, go back up there right now.
在教堂里，当着所有人的面，现在就回到那里。
I was like, mommy, they're calling other people.
我当时想，妈妈，他们在给其他人打电话。
And she said, "Father Bradley!" to the priest who was giving the diplomas out.
她说：“布拉德利神父！”交给正在颁发文凭的牧师。
Well, she left her seat, and went up toward the altar.
嗯，她离开了座位，走向了祭坛。
She's by the altar.
她在祭坛旁边。
And she goes, "Father Bradley, just hold on.
她说：“布拉德利神父，坚持住。
Go back up there.
回到那里去。
Go back up there right now." Father Bradley posed, and she took the picture.
现在就回上面去吧。”布拉德利神父摆好姿势，她拍了张照片。
And she goes, "OK, thank you.
她说：“好的，谢谢。
Oh, my baby!" And hugging me.
哦，我的宝贝！”并拥抱我。
Everybody is staring at me.
每个人都在盯着我。
And what I love about that moment, when I think about it, is that my mom didn't care what other people thought.
当我想到那一刻时，我最喜欢的是我妈妈不在乎别人的想法。
Exactly.
确切地。
Catherine Hodgman I've probably heard this story 20 or 25 times.
Catherine Hodgman 这个故事我可能已经听过 20 或 25 次了。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN I would guess that she's probably heard it six to eight times.
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼 我猜她可能听过六到八次。
It seems like a lot.
看起来好像很多。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN I think she thinks it's pretty funny.
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼 我认为她认为这很有趣。
This is our second couple, John and Catherine, who've known each other since high school.
这是我们的第二对夫妇，约翰和凯瑟琳，他们从高中就认识了。
The story in question happened when they were both 21, both briefly living in England.
这个故事发生在他们 21 岁时，两人都曾在英国短暂居住过。
It's a drinking story to be told while drinking about a night of drinking.
这是一个一边喝酒一边讲述的关于一个晚上喝酒的故事。
John was the one who was drunk in the story.
约翰就是故事中喝醉的人。
He was young.
他还年轻。
He was working lousy jobs.
他的工作很糟糕。
He was absolutely bored.
他实在是太无聊了。
So there was a lot of drinking in his life.
所以他的一生中喝了不少酒。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN It was around this time that I also started doing some very low-key shoplifting.
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼 大约在这个时候，我也开始做一些非常低调的入店行窃活动。
And I would take like a pack of gum, or like an onion.
我会像吃一包口香糖或洋葱一样服用。
And this was very thrilling to me.
这对我来说非常令人兴奋。
So one night John's friend Charles and another friend suggested they break into the London Zoo.
因此，有一天晚上，约翰的朋友查尔斯和另一位朋友建议他们闯入伦敦动物园。
Which at that time turned out to be surprisingly easy to do.
事实证明，这在当时是非常容易做到的。
They simply hopped over a low iron wrought fence.
他们只是跳过了低矮的锻铁栅栏。
Once inside, they spotted a pool, with penguins sleeping all around it, right there behind a wall so low that you just step over it.
进去后，他们发现了一个水池，周围有企鹅在睡觉，就在墙后面，墙很低，你只要跨过去就可以了。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN Yeah, it was exciting, because I'd always liked penguins.
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼：是的，这很令人兴奋，因为我一直喜欢企鹅。
I've now learned that they are kind of shifty and mean and also harbingers of doom.
我现在了解到，他们有点狡猾、卑鄙，也是厄运的预兆。
I simply stepped over the wall, and I walked down and walked up to a sleeping penguin.
我干脆跨过墙，走下来，走到一只熟睡的企鹅面前。
Apparently they are diurnal creatures, and they sleep at night.
显然它们是昼行生物，晚上睡觉。
And this one was not very happy about being woken up, because I petted him a little, and he bit me on the finger.
这个家伙对于被叫醒不太高兴，因为我轻轻地抚摸了他，他就咬了我的手指。
It was not a major wound, but it was a token of bad things to come.
这不是一个重大的伤口，但却预示着不好的事情即将发生。
I have to say, as a symbolic moment, it's a good one.
我不得不说，作为一个具有象征意义的时刻，这是一个很好的时刻。
Because something cute has suddenly become deeply un-cute.
因为一些可爱的东西突然变得非常不可爱。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN You find penguins cute?
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼 你觉得企鹅可爱吗？
What are you talking about?
你在说什么？
Everyone finds penguins cute.
每个人都觉得企鹅很可爱。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN I look at them differently now.
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼 我现在对他们的看法不同了。
It would be like a teddy bear biting you or something.
就像一只泰迪熊咬你什么的。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN Yeah, teddy bears are actually stuffed animals.
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼：是的，泰迪熊实际上是毛绒动物。
But as an expert on penguin behavior, you're right, it is very unusual.
但作为企鹅行为专家，你是对的，这是非常不寻常的。
What follows turns out to be one of those sprawling stories that takes 45 minutes to tell.
接下来的故事是一个需要 45 分钟才能讲完的庞大故事之一。
So I will choose just a few highlights for you here.
所以我在这里只选择一些亮点给大家。
There is the run-in with the police.
与警察发生冲突。
No story like this is complete without the run-in with the police.
如果没有与警察的冲突，这样的故事就不完整。
John is the only one caught.
约翰是唯一被捕的人。
He's questioned.
他受到质疑。
He's taken to jail.
他被送进监狱了。
He does not tell them his real name.
他没有告诉他们他的真名。
He does not rat out his friends.
他不会出卖他的朋友。
He tries to act tough with the cops.
他试图对警察表现得强硬。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN They were all laughing at me and saying, what were you doing?
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼 他们都在嘲笑我，说，你在做什么？
Are you Marlin Perkins or something?
你是马林帕金斯还是什么？
And they said, "OK, empty your pockets." Now, I had been smart in a way that I haven't been in a long time.
他们说：“好吧，掏空你的口袋。”现在，我已经很长时间没有这么聪明了。
Before we went to the zoo, I decided, somewhat presciently, that it would be a good idea for me to not have any identification with me.
在我们去动物园之前，我有点先见之明地决定，对我来说不要有任何认同感是个好主意。
So I didn't bring my wallet or my keys or my ID.
所以我没有带钱包、钥匙或身份证。
But I did have an onion in my pocket.
但我口袋里确实有一个洋葱。
Which really kind of stopped everyone for a very long moment.
这确实让每个人都停顿了很长一段时间。
It was the only thing that I had.
这是我唯一拥有的东西。
And they said, "What is that for?" And I said, "To feed the animals?" And they seemed to enjoy that.
他们说：“那是做什么用的？”我说：“喂动物？”他们似乎很享受这样。
And I kind of thought that this couldn't go on for much longer.
我觉得这种情况不会持续太久了。
But they decided to put me in a cell for a while.
但他们决定把我关进牢房一段时间。
An on and on, you get the idea.
等等，你就明白了。
What's strikingly fascinating about hearing his wife, Catherine, tell this same story is that after hearing it at least 20 times-- Well, you'll hear.
听他的妻子凯瑟琳讲述同样的故事，最令人着迷的是，在听了至少 20 遍之后——嗯，你就会听到。
They had a good time for a while, and then, at some point, they were in the pig pen.
他们度过了一段美好的时光，然后，在某个时候，他们就被关进了猪圈。
And I don't know, they knew somehow that the police were there.
我不知道，他们不知何故知道警察在那里。
Isn't funny that I am not really sure how this transpired?
我不太确定这是怎么发生的，这不是很有趣吗？
Do what animal bit John?
约翰被什么动物咬了？
Catherine Hodgman A pig.
凯瑟琳·霍奇曼 一只猪。
OK, that's not right.
好吧，那是不对的。
Catherine Hodgman You're kidding?
凯瑟琳·霍奇曼 你在开玩笑吗？
Nope, it's not a pig.
不，这不是猪。
Catherine Hodgman I thought he was in the pig pen.
凯瑟琳·霍奇曼 我以为他在猪圈里。
And there's this whole thing where he's like, the pig is licking my ear.
整个事情他就像是，猪在舔我的耳朵。
Nope.
没有。
Not the pig.
不是猪。
Catherine Hodgman Was the pig licking Charles's ear?
凯瑟琳·霍奇曼 那只猪舔了查尔斯的耳朵吗？
You barely have this story.
你几乎没有这个故事。
You barely know this story.
你几乎不知道这个故事。
I know.
我知道。
I do barely know this story.
我几乎不知道这个故事。
Do you think that I barely listen?
你以为我很少听吗？
Maybe I don't listen any more?
也许我不再听了？
The part that she actually does remember every time she tells it is the part where he's in jail.
事实上，她每次讲述时都会记得他在监狱里的那部分。
She says it brings out some sort of maternal feeling in her.
她说这给她带来了某种母性的感觉。
She just can't stand the thought of him going through that.
她只是无法忍受他经历这些的想法。
What they're both clear on is why this is the story that John has told over and over for more than a decade.
他们都清楚为什么这就是约翰十多年来一遍又一遍讲述的故事。
Here is John explaining.
这是约翰的解释。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN I think that the story, it's a version of myself that seems a little reckless, adventurous, quick-witted, but also ultimately humiliated by my own overreach.
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼 我认为这个故事是我自己的一个版本，看起来有点鲁莽、冒险、机智，但最终也因我自己的过度行为而受到羞辱。
Have you noticed that there's certain people that all the stories they tell, they are triumphant, and then other people, all the stories that they tell about themselves, they are humiliated.
你是否注意到，有些人，他们讲述的所有故事，都是胜利的，而另一些人，他们讲述的所有关于自己的故事，他们都是羞辱。
(SUBJECT) JOHN HODGMAN See, I think a good drinking story contains both.
（主题）约翰·霍奇曼 瞧，我认为一个好的饮酒故事包含两者。
Both that heroic aspect and that completely de-clothed, humiliated, embarrassed aspect as well.
既有英勇的一面，也有赤裸裸、羞辱、尴尬的一面。
When I was talking to him about it, I asked him, why is this the story that gets told over and over?
当我和他谈论这件事时，我问他，为什么这个故事被一遍又一遍地讲述？
And he said, that a really good story like this should be something where the person telling the story both appears as a hero and then as an idiotic fool.
他说，像这样的真正好的故事应该是讲故事的人既表现为英雄，又表现为白痴。
Which brings us to our last couple, Robert and Tamar.
这让我们想到了最后一对，罗伯特和塔玛。
They also have a story that gets repeated in their house that has been the source of a small difference in interpretation between them.
他们还有一个在他们的房子里不断重复的故事，这也是他们之间解释上出现微小差异的根源。
It's a story they both tell.
这是他们俩讲述的故事。
Though him more than her, you get feeling.
虽然他比她多，但你还是有感觉的。
They don't tell the story the same way.
他们讲故事的方式不同。
And we will start with her version of the story.
我们将从她的故事版本开始。
The first thing you need to know about this story is that I am totally celebrity blind, just completely.
关于这个故事，你首先需要知道的是，我完全是名人盲人，完全是盲人。
So much of my life with Robert has been wandering around New York and him saying, oh, look you were sitting next to Candice Bergen.
我和罗伯特一起生活的大部分时间都在纽约闲逛，他说，哦，看看你坐在坎迪斯·伯根旁边。
And I'd say, no I wasn't.
我会说，不，我不是。
And he's always right, and I'm always wrong.
他总是对的，而我总是错的。
So I'm really pleased one day.
所以有一天我真的很高兴。
I'm out all by myself in the world, and I'm on the East Side, and I'm walking down Madison Avenue.
我独自一人在这个世界上，我在东区，我正沿着麦迪逊大道行走。
And I see someone, and I know-- me the celebrity blind person-- I know absolutely for sure, for sure that this person across the street is Jackie Kennedy.
我看到一个人，我知道——我是名人盲人——我绝对确定，确信街对面的这个人就是杰基·肯尼迪。
And not only is it Jackie Kennedy, but she's looking at me.
不仅是杰基·肯尼迪，她也在看着我。
And she has her hand up when I smile at her.
当我对她微笑时，她举起了手。
OK, let's stop that right there.
好吧，我们就到此为止吧。
Before she gets too far, here is Robert's interpretation of the same event.
在她说得太远之前，以下是罗伯特对同一事件的解释。
Their interviews were recorded separately.
他们的采访是分开录制的。
It's a beautiful, beautiful fall day.
这是一个美丽、美丽的秋日。
And we're walking down Fifth Avenue.
我们正沿着第五大道行走。
The Central Park is on our right.
中央公园就在我们的右边。
I just picture this very, very precisely.
我只是非常非常精确地描绘了这一点。
And we're walking along, and Tamar is distracted.
我们一路走着，塔玛心烦意乱。
She looks over her left shoulder, and she goes [SOUND OF SURPISE].
她回头看了看左肩，然后发出了[惊喜声]。
There I see, across the street, Jackie Onassis, President Kennedy's wife, and she's waving, very modestly, at Tamar.
我看到街对面是肯尼迪总统的妻子杰基·奥纳西斯，她正在非常谦虚地向添马舰挥手。
You've probably noticed the key differences already.
您可能已经注意到了关键的区别。
He says that they're together.
他说他们在一起了。
She says that she's alone.
她说她孤身一人。
He says, next to Central Park.
他说，在中央公园旁边。
She says, Madison Avenue.
她说，麦迪逊大道。
But once she spots Jackie O, the stories fly in tandem for a while.
但一旦她发现了 Jackie O，这些故事就会同步发生一段时间。
She has her hand when I smile at her, and she waves at me.
当我对她微笑时，她伸出手，她向我挥手。
And I thought, oh my God.
我想，天哪。
I didn't know that they knew each other, whatever.
我不知道他们互相认识，无论如何。
And I'm looking at Tamar, and Tamar's looking at Jackie Onassis.
我看着塔玛，塔玛看着杰基·奥纳西斯。
And I'm so excited.
我很兴奋。
And I wave back sort of tentatively, but beaming, beaming, beaming.
我试探性地向他挥手，但脸上洋溢着笑容，笑容满面，笑容满面。
And she waves back more so.
她也更加用力地挥手回应。
I then wave back with my whole, whole heart.
然后我全心全意地挥手回应。
So I'm just staring at this in wonder.
所以我只是好奇地看着这个。
And then Jackie raises her hand even more excitedly and starts sort of moving it back and forth and back and forth.
然后杰基更加兴奋地举起了手，开始前后移动。
And I'm waving, and beaming, and I'm so happy and proud.
我挥手致意，笑容满面，我感到非常高兴和自豪。
And in that moment, a cab pulls up alongside Jackie Onassis.
就在这时，一辆出租车停在杰基·奥纳西斯身边。
And what Jackie Onassis had actually been doing is just waving for a cab.
杰基·奥纳西斯实际上所做的只是挥手叫出租车。
And my wife, by mistake, somehow thought that Jackie was waving at her and is feeling really stupid.
我的妻子不知何故错误地认为杰基在向她招手，并感觉自己真的很愚蠢。
As am I.
我也是。
Tamar Lewin Because many people had been looking at Jackie Kennedy and many people had been looking at me making a fool of myself, waving, waving, waving, waving.
塔玛尔·卢因（Tamar Lewin）因为很多人一直在看着杰基·肯尼迪，很多人一直在看着我出丑，挥手，挥手，挥手，挥手。
And so we laugh about it, and we head downtown.
于是我们笑了笑，然后前往市中心。
So we laugh about it, and we head downtown.
于是我们笑笑，然后前往市中心。
Now that is where his version of the story ends, a moment of love, a moment of togetherness.
现在，这就是他版本的故事的结局，一个爱的时刻，一个团聚的时刻。
Tamar's version of the story continues.
塔马的故事还在继续。
In her version, she comes home.
在她的版本中，她回家了。
Remember, she experienced the whole thing alone in her version.
请记住，她在自己的版本中独自经历了整个事情。
She comes home, and she tells Robert what happened to her.
她回到家，告诉罗伯特她发生了什么事。
Weeks later, in her version, they are at somebody's house for dinner, and Robert just launches into his version of the story, the version that you just heard.
几周后，在她的版本中，他们在某人家里吃晚饭，罗伯特开始讲述他的故事版本，也就是你刚刚听到的版本。
As we leave that house, I say, you know Robert, you weren't there.
当我们离开那所房子时，我说，你知道罗伯特，你不在那儿。
And he said, "No. But I remember it, I can picture it, I can see it so clearly." And I say, "But you weren't there."
他说：“不。但我记得它，我可以想象它，我可以清楚地看到它。”我说：“但是你不在那儿。”
She says that I wasn't there.
她说我不在场。
Which is astonishing to me.
这令我惊讶。
I mean, this is like I can feel this on my skin.
我的意思是，这就像我可以在我的皮肤上感觉到这一点。
I have told this story with such vividness because I remember it so vividly.
我把这个故事讲得如此生动，因为我记得如此清晰。
I just remember things.
我只记得一些事情。
Like things, like the way the sun was catching leaves.
就像事物一样，就像太阳捕捉树叶的方式。
I remember turning around.
我记得转身。
I remember the intake of breath and the surprise.
我记得当时的呼吸和惊讶。
I remember all the little things going on in my mind .
我记得脑海中发生的所有小事。
How do they know each other?
他们是怎么认识的？
Oh my God.
我的天啊。
She said, I wasn't there.
她说，我不在。
I was never there.
我从来不在那儿。
But she told it to me, and I, just simply, sort of like Ghengis Khan or Alexander the Great I occupied it.
但她告诉了我，而我，只是简单地，有点像成吉思汗或亚历山大大帝，我占领了它。
Like it was real estate that I wanted to be part of, so I just marched in and became part of it.
就像我想成为房地产的一部分一样，所以我就走进去并成为其中的一部分。
Do you believe her, that you weren't in it?
你相信她说你不在其中吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Because I live, as all married people do, in a courthouse.
因为我和所有已婚人士一样住在法院里。
And the jury, upon deliberating about this, said, this particular witness has proven over the years a complete-- and she is very, very believable.
陪审团在审议后表示，多年来，这位特殊的证人已经证明是一个完整的——而且她非常非常可信。
A credible witness has testified.
一位可靠的证人已作证。
And you sir?
先生你呢？
Over the years, we have formed our own opinions about you.
多年来，我们对您形成了自己的看法。
Judgment to the wife.
对妻子的审判。
Wait, wait, and he'll tell it, and in his version, he's in the story?
等等，等等，他会讲出来，在他的版本中，他就在故事里？
In this version he has his view of what happened, but he says, but actually Tamar says I wasn't there.
在这个版本中，他对所发生的事情有自己的看法，但他说，但实际上塔玛说我不在那里。
Well thank you to all of our couple's, Carmen Rivera and Candido Tirado, John and Catherine Hodgman, and finally Tamar Lewin and Robert Krulwich.
谢谢我们所有的夫妇，卡门·里维拉（Carmen Rivera）和坎迪多·蒂拉多（Candido Tirado），约翰·霍奇曼（John Hodgman）和凯瑟琳·霍奇曼（Catherine Hodgman），最后还有塔玛尔·勒温（Tamar Lewin）和罗伯特·克鲁维奇（Robert Krulwich）。
If the story about Jackie Kennedy is true, you be able to tell me what she was wearing.
如果关于杰基·肯尼迪的故事是真的，你能告诉我她穿的是什么。
Yeah, oh yeah.
是啊，哦，是啊。
She was wearing a suit.
她穿着一套西装。
She's wearing a suit, it had white buttons, and it had a collar, and it was a skirt, and I couldn't see her feet.
她穿着一套西装，有白色的纽扣，有领子，而且是裙子，我看不到她的脚。
But I remember that she had white buttons.
但我记得她有白色的纽扣。
You know where the buttons are attached to the garment, the stitching was black.
你知道纽扣固定在衣服上的位置，缝线是黑色的。
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
I never stopped to wonder about the zoom lens that I apparently had handy at that time.
我从来没有停下来想过我当时手边的变焦镜头。
[MUSIC - "FIVE TIMES OUT OF A HUNDRED" BY HOT HOT HEAT]
[音乐 - 热热热的“一百次中的五次”]
Act 3, Reruns At The Back Of The Bus.
第三幕，在公共汽车后面重播。
But we are a nation that keeps re-running for ourselves a certain story about ourselves and about Rosa Parks.
但我们这个国家不断地为自己重演一些关于我们自己和罗莎·帕克斯的故事。
Not only ago there was even a small bit of controversy when the movie Barbershop chose to depart from the official fable that we usually tell ourselves.
不仅之前，当电影《理发店》选择背离我们通常告诉自己的官方寓言时，甚至还引起了一点争议。
Well, Sarah Vowell has been watching the trend carefully wherever it appears.
莎拉·沃威尔（Sarah Vowell）一直在仔细观察这一趋势，无论它出现在哪里。
According to Reuters, on January 20, 2001 in Washington DC, the special guest at the Florida State inaugural ball was introduced by the country singer Larry Gatlin.
据路透社报道，2001年1月20日在华盛顿特区，佛罗里达州就职舞会上的特邀嘉宾由乡村歌手拉里·加特林介绍。
He said, in France it was Joan of Arc, in the Crimea it was Florence Nightingale, in the deep South there was Rosa Parks, in India there was Mother Teresa, and in Florida there was Katherine Harris.
他说，在法国是圣女贞德，在克里米亚是弗洛伦斯·南丁格尔，在南方腹地是罗莎·帕克斯，在印度是特蕾莎修女，在佛罗里达是凯瑟琳·哈里斯。
I leave it to my Indian, Crimean, and French colleagues to determine how the Florida Secretary of State is or is not similar to Teresa, Florence, or Saint Joan.
我让我的印度、克里米亚和法国同事来决定佛罗里达州国务卿与特蕾莎修女、弗洛伦斯或圣琼有何相似之处。
As for Rosa Parks, Katherine Harris can get in line.
至于罗莎·帕克斯（Rosa Parks），凯瑟琳·哈里斯（Katherine Harris）可以排队。
Because people around here can't stop comparing themselves to Parks.
因为这里的人们总是不停地将自己与帕克斯进行比较。
To wit, the Mayor of Friendship Heights Maryland has proposed an outdoor smoking ban because, according to the Washington Post , citizens with asthma or other illnesses cannot have full access to areas where smokers are doing their evil deed.
也就是说，马里兰州友谊高地市长提议实施户外吸烟禁令，因为据《华盛顿邮报》报道，患有哮喘或其他疾病的公民无法完全进入吸烟者作恶的地区。
The mayor compares this horrific possibility to Rosa Parks being sent to the back of the bus.
市长将这种可怕的可能性与罗莎·帕克斯被送到公交车后面进行了比较。
A California dairy farmer, protesting the government's milk pricing system, poured milk down a drain in front of TV cameras claiming that he had to take a stand just like Rosa Parks had to take a stand.
加州一名奶农抗议政府的牛奶定价制度，在电视摄像机前将牛奶倒入下水道，声称他必须表明立场，就像罗莎·帕克斯必须表明立场一样。
A street performer in Saint Augustine, Florida is challenging a city ordinance that bans him from doing his act on the town's historic Saint George Street.
佛罗里达州圣奥古斯丁的一名街头表演者正在挑战一项禁止他在该镇历史悠久的圣乔治街表演的城市法令。
The performers lawyer told the Florida Times-Union, telling these people they can exercise their first amendment rights somewhere other than on Saint George is like telling Rosa Parks that she has to sit in the back of the bus.
表演者的律师告诉佛罗里达时报联盟，告诉这些人他们可以在圣乔治以外的地方行使第一修正案的权利，就像告诉罗莎·帕克斯她必须坐在公共汽车的后座一样。
Which is, coincidentally, also the argument of another Florida lawyer.
巧合的是，这也是佛罗里达州另一位律师的论点。
This one representing adult dancers contesting Tampa's ordinance outlawing lap dancing.
这幅作品代表成年舞者对坦帕禁止膝上舞的法令提出异议。
I would also like to mention the rocker, marksman, and conservative activist Ted Nugent who, in his autobiography, God , Guns, and Rock and Roll , refers to himself as Rosa Parks with a loud guitar.
我还想提一下摇滚乐手、神枪手和保守派活动家泰德·纽金特，他在自传《上帝、枪炮和摇滚乐》中称自己为罗莎·帕克斯，吉他响亮。
Which is so inaccurate.
这是非常不准确的。
Everyone knows he's more like Mary Matalin with a fancy deer rifle.
每个人都知道他更像是拥有一支精美的鹿步枪的玛丽·马塔林。
Call me picky, but breathing secondhand smoke, being subject to unfair dairy pricing, and not being able to mime or lap dance, though they are all tragic, tragic injustices, are not quite as bad as the systematic segregation of public transportation based on skin color.
你可以说我很挑剔，但呼吸二手烟、受到不公平的乳制品定价、不能表演哑剧或脱衣舞，尽管这些都是悲剧性的、悲剧性的不公正，但还没有基于肤色的公共交通系统性隔离那么糟糕。
And while fighting for your right to lap dance and mime, and breathe just the regular pollution and not the cigarette smokers, is a very fine, very American idea, it is not quite as brave as being a middle-aged black woman in Alabama in 1955 telling a white man she's not giving him her seat despite the fact that the law requires her to do so.
虽然争取脱衣舞和哑剧的权利，只呼吸普通污染而不是吸烟者的权利，是一个非常好的、非常美国化的想法，但它并不像 1955 年阿拉巴马州的一名中年黑人妇女告诉一名白人她不给他让座那样勇敢，尽管法律要求她这样做。
And oh, by the way, in the process, she gets arrested.
哦，顺便说一句，在这个过程中，她被捕了。
And then sparks the Montgomery Bus Boycott, which is the seed of the Civil Rights Movement as we know it.
然后引发了蒙哥马利巴士抵制运动，这是我们所知的民权运动的种子。
The Bus Boycotters not only introduced a 26-year-old pastor by the name of Martin Luther King junior into national public life, but after many months of car pools, walking, and court fights against bus segregation, got the separate-but-equal doctrine declared illegal once and for all.
巴士抵制者不仅将一位名叫小马丁·路德·金的 26 岁牧师带入国家公共生活，而且经过数月的拼车、步行和法庭斗争，反对巴士种族隔离，最终宣布“隔离但平等”的原则一劳永逸地被宣布为非法。
It's not just the people on the right, like Katherine Harris and Ted Nugent, who seem especially silly being likened to Parks.
不仅仅是像凯瑟琳·哈里斯和泰德·纽金特这样的右翼人士，被比作帕克斯似乎特别愚蠢。
I first cringed at this analogy trend at the lefty Ralph Nader's October 2000 campaign rally in Madison Square Garden.
我第一次对这种类比趋势感到畏缩是在左撇子拉尔夫·纳德 (Ralph Nader) 2000 年 10 月在麦迪逊广场花园举行的竞选集会上。
Ever sit in a coliseum full of people who think they're heroes?
曾经坐在一个挤满了自认为是英雄的人的体育馆里吗？
I was surrounded by thousands of well meaning well fed white kids who loved it when the filmmaker Michael Moore told them they should, like Rosa Parks, stand up to power.
我周围有数千名善意、营养丰富的白人孩子，当电影制片人迈克尔·摩尔告诉他们应该像罗莎·帕克斯一样，勇敢地面对权力时，他们很高兴。
: What if Rosa Parks had said to herself, I'm the only person on this bus, I can't win?
：如果罗莎·帕克斯对自己说，我是这辆巴士上唯一的人，我赢不了怎么办？
I'm afraid.
我耽心。
By which I think he meant, vote for Nader so he could qualify for federal matching funds.
我认为他的意思是，投票给纳德，这样他就有资格获得联邦配套资金。
I think I'm a fine enough person.
我想我是一个足够优秀的人。
By the very next morning I was having people over for waffles.
第二天早上，我就邀请人们过来吃华夫饼。
But I hope I'm not being falsely modest by pointing out that I'm no Harriet Tubman and I'm certainly no Rosa Parks.
但我希望我没有虚伪地谦虚地指出我不是哈丽特·塔布曼，也不是罗莎·帕克斯。
As far as I'm concerned, about the only person in recent memory who has an unimpeachable right to compare himself to Parks is that Chinese student who stared down those tanks in Tiananmen Square.
就我而言，在最近的记忆中，唯一一个无可挑剔地将自己与帕克斯进行比较的人是那个在天安门广场上凝视着那些坦克的中国学生。
I was reminded of those Naderites watching a rerun of the sitcom Sports Night on Comedy Central .
我想起了那些在喜剧中心观看情景喜剧《体育之夜》重播的纳德派。
Dan, a television sportscaster played by Josh Charles, has been ordered by his network to make an on-air apology to viewers because he said in a magazine interview that he supports the legalization of marijuana.
乔什·查尔斯 (Josh Charles) 饰演的电视体育播音员丹 (Dan) 已被其电视网勒令在直播中向观众道歉，因为他在接受杂志采访时表示支持大麻合法化。
He stands by his opinion and balks at apologizing.
他坚持自己的观点，不愿道歉。
His boss, Isaac, played by Robert Guillaume, agrees but tells him to do it anyway.
他的老板艾萨克（罗伯特·纪尧姆饰演）同意了，但告诉他无论如何都要这样做。
Because this is television and this is how it's done.
因为这就是电视，这就是它的制作方式。
Yeah, well, sitting in the back of the bus was how it was done until a 42-year-old lady moved up front.
是的，好吧，以前一直坐在公交车后座，直到一位 42 岁的女士坐到了前面。
I'm not very impressed with how things are done, Isaac.
我对事情的完成方式不太印象深刻，艾萨克。
A few minutes later Isaac looks Dan in the eye and tells him--
几分钟后，艾萨克看着丹的眼睛，告诉他——
Yeah.
是的。
Robert Guillaume In Sports Night And because I love you, I can say this.
罗伯特·纪尧姆在运动之夜 因为我爱你，我可以这样说。
No rich young white guy has ever gotten anywhere with me comparing himself to Rosa Parks.
没有一个富有的年轻白人跟我将自己比作罗莎·帕克斯。
Got it?
知道了？
Yes, sir.
是的，先生。
Robert Guillaume In Sports Night Good.
罗伯特·纪尧姆在体育之夜好。
Finally, the voice of reason.
最后，理性的声音。
Which, of course, was heard on a canceled network TV series airing on cable.
当然，这是在有线电视播出的一部被取消的网络电视剧中听到的。
Analogies give order to the world and solidarity.
类比给世界带来秩序和团结。
Pointing out how one person is like another is reassuring, less lonely.
指出一个人与另一个人的相似之处可以让人安心，减少孤独感。
Maybe those who would compare their personal inconveniences to the epic struggles of history are just looking for company.
也许那些将个人的不便与历史上的史诗般的斗争进行比较的人只是在寻找陪伴。
And who wouldn't want to be in the company of Rosa Parks.
谁不想和罗莎·帕克斯在一起呢。
On the other hand, perhaps people who compare themselves to Rosa Parks are simply arrogant, pampered nincompoops with delusions of grandeur who couldn't tell the difference between a paper cut and decapitation.
另一方面，也许那些把自己比作罗莎·帕克斯的人只是傲慢、养尊处优的傻瓜，妄想自大，分不清剪纸和斩首之间的区别。
In defense of Ted Nugent, the street performer, the mayor, the dairy farmer, the lap dancers, the Naderites, and a fictional sportscaster, I will point out that Katherine Harris is the only person on my list of people lamely compared to a civil rights icon who, at the very moment she was being compared to a civil rights icon, was actually being sued for massive voter disenfranchisement of people of color during the presidential election by the NAACP.
为了为特德·纽金特、街头艺人、市长、奶农、膝上舞者、纳德派和虚构的体育播音员辩护，我要指出，凯瑟琳·哈里斯是我名单上唯一一个与民权偶像相比蹩脚的人，就在她被与民权偶像相比较的那一刻，她实际上因在总统选举期间大规模剥夺有色人种选民的选举权而被全国有色人种协进会起诉。
[MUSIC - "ROSA PARKS" BY OUTKAST]
[音乐 - Outkast 的“罗莎·帕克斯”]
Sarah Vowell is the author of the book, The Partly Cloudy Patriot , where her thoughts about Rosa Parks appear.
莎拉·沃威尔是《晴朗的爱国者》一书的作者，书中出现了她对罗莎·帕克斯的看法。
Well, our program is produced today by Jonathan Goldstein and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Diane Cook, Wendy Dorr, David Kastenbaum, and Starlee Kine.
好吧，我们今天的节目由乔纳森·戈尔茨坦和我本人以及亚历克斯·布隆伯格、黛安·库克、温迪·多尔、大卫·卡斯滕鲍姆和斯塔莉·凯恩共同制作。
Elizabeth Meister runs our website.
伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。
Music help from Agoraphone.
Agoraphone 的音乐帮助。
Special thanks today to Jeffrey Brown, author of the comic book Clumsy .
今天特别感谢漫画书《笨手笨脚》的作者杰弗里·布朗。
Thanks to Jamie York and Doug Stone.
感谢杰米·约克和道格·斯通。
The song, Could Be Worse had lyrics by Sarah Vowell and music by They Might Be Giants and featured Robin Goldwasser.
这首歌《Could Be Worse》由 Sarah Vowell 作词，由 They Might Be Giants 作曲，并以 Robin Goldwasser 为主角。
It is not collected on the new They Might Be Giants CD-DVD set, Venue Songs .
它没有收录在新的 They Might Be Giants CD-DVD 套装 Venue Songs 中。
Our website, where you can get the free weekly podcasts, it's free, of our program.
我们的网站，您可以在其中获得我们节目的免费每周播客，它是免费的。
Where we do your Christmas shopping, send our brand new greatest hits double CD set, Stories Of Hope And Fear to someone you love-- www.thisamericanlife.org.
在我们进行圣诞购物时，请将我们全新精选双 CD 套装《希望与恐惧的故事》发送给您所爱的人 - www.thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Mr. Torey Malatia.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 先生监督。
He's been working on his John Wayne imitation, waiting for his big break, really.
他一直在模仿约翰·韦恩，等待他的重大突破，真的。
Here, listen.
在这里，听着。
Well, let me tell you, something out there in TV land, I just made the tube, and it just tickles the heck right out of me.
好吧，让我告诉你，电视领域里有一些东西，我刚刚制作了管子，它让我感到很痒。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life
我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。