224: Middlemen - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass We'll call this guy Chris.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我们称这个人为克里斯。
He had a job as a middleman, but a kind of odd sort of middleman.
他的工作是中间人，但是是一种奇怪的中间人。
We basically are the middleman between the deaf and someone who can hear.
我们基本上是聋哑人和听力正常者之间的中间人。
Chris worked for a company that helped deaf people communicate over the telephone.
克里斯在一家帮助聋人通过电话交流的公司工作。
To make a call, a deaf person would contact Chris.
聋哑人要拨打电话，必须联系克里斯。
He would get the hearing person on the line.
他会让听证人接通。
The deaf person would type what it is that they wanted to say.
聋人可以输入他们想说的话。
Chris would read this to the hearing person, and then type their responses back to the deaf person.
克里斯会将这段文字读给听力正常的人听，然后将他们的回答输入给聋哑人。
Most of the conversations were what you'd expect: people calling their families, talking about what they had for dinner, calling their banks.
大多数对话都如您所料：人们给家人打电话，谈论晚餐吃什么，给银行打电话。
And then again, because I usually worked nights, some of the calls were very intimate phone conversations between people breaking up, people just falling in love for the first time, people telling them that members of their family had died, phone sex, things no one would ever want you to hear, really.
再说一次，因为我通常在晚上工作，所以有些电话是分手的人之间非常亲密的电话交谈，人们刚刚坠入爱河，人们告诉他们他们的家人已经去世，电话性爱，真的没有人希望你听到的事情。
One thing that happened more often than you'd think, especially when parents were talking to their kids, is that they would get into an argument, and then one of them would try to drag Chris into the argument on their side of it.
发生的事情比你想象的更频繁，尤其是当父母与孩子交谈时，他们会发生争吵，然后其中一个人会试图将克里斯拖入他们一方的争吵中。
And I wasn't allowed to say anything, so I would just say, the CA, we're co-communication assistants, does not have that information.
我不被允许说任何话，所以我只能说，CA，我们是共同通讯助理，没有这些信息。
That was the blanket phrase that they let me use.
这是他们让我使用的概括性短语。
That's so computer-like.
这太像电脑了。
Chris Well, that was the paradigm they wanted us to follow.
克里斯 好吧，这就是他们希望我们遵循的范式。
They wanted us to be computers, basically, information machines.
他们希望我们成为计算机，基本上是信息机器。
I remember a daughter had been, it was a deaf daughter, and she had been out sleeping around and doing a lot of drugs, evidently.
我记得有一个女儿，那是一个聋哑女儿，她显然一直在外面露宿并吸毒。
And the mother was just trying to tell her that she needed to stop doing all these things and saying, "You may feel like you're young, and you can just do what you want, and since you're deaf, you feel you have an excuse to do all these things."
母亲只是想告诉她，她需要停止做所有这些事情，并说：“你可能觉得你很年轻，你可以做你想做的事，而且既然你聋了，你觉得你有借口做所有这些事情。”
And she started talking to me, and she said, "You don't do drugs, do you?" And I said, the CA does not have that information.
她开始和我说话，她说：“你不吸毒，是吗？”我说，CA 没有这些信息。
And then she said, "Well, can't you just type to her and tell her that you think she's hurting herself as well?"
然后她说：“好吧，你就不能直接给她打字，告诉她你认为她也在伤害自己吗？”
Now when she's saying this to you, do you have to type that in, so the daughter knows that she's saying it to you?
现在，当她对你说这句话时，你是否必须输入，以便女儿知道她是在对你说这句话？
Yeah, you do.
是的，你知道。
You have to type everything that she's saying.
你必须输入她所说的一切。
The daughter really disliked that.
女儿实在是不喜欢这样。
The daughter would start talking to me and say, "Don't let her talk to you." And she would start trying to tell me just how terrible the mother had been to her growing up.
女儿会开始对我说话并说：“别让她和你说话。”她会开始试图告诉我，母亲在她的成长过程中是多么可怕。
The mother actually said at this point, "This is really embarrassing," and tried to pretend like I wasn't there the rest of the time.
母亲此时实际上说：“这真的很尴尬”，并试图假装我不在场。
It's hard to be the middleman.
当中间人很难。
Pizza delivery places always hung up on Chris and the other operators.
披萨外卖店总是挂着克里斯和其他经营者的电话。
Phone sex operators and drug dealers were way more service-oriented when it came to the deaf.
对于聋人来说，性电话接线员和毒贩更加注重服务。
And then there were the people who liked to mess with the middleman, like two African-American guys one day, who started using all sorts of words and phrases just because it would be funny to hear the white operator say them.
还有一些人喜欢惹恼中间人，比如有一天两个非裔美国人，他们开始使用各种单词和短语，只是因为听到白人接线员说这些会很有趣。
They were talking in really heavy street slang.
他们用非常重的街头俚语交谈。
One person was intent on having me use the n-word, over and over.
有一个人一心想让我一遍又一遍地使用“n”这个词。
And it was very uncomfortable.
这非常不舒服。
But the two people using it on the phone obviously didn't care.
但打电话的两个人显然并不在意。
They just wanted to have me do it.
他们只是想让我这么做。
And they were even joking about me doing it.
他们甚至开玩笑说我这样做。
They would just be laughing.
他们只会笑。
A lot of people find a lot of amusement out of playing with a Communication Assistant.
很多人在使用通讯助手时发现了很多乐趣。
I found it kind of funny after a while.
过了一段时间我发现这有点好笑。
All of my friends who went through the training for this were young black women.
我所有接受过此培训的朋友都是年轻的黑人女性。
And they thought I was kind of really straight.
他们认为我是个很直的人。
And they used to perk their ears up immediately as soon as they heard me get into any sort of ghetto speak, or whatnot.
他们一听到我讲任何贫民窟的言论，或者诸如此类的事情，就会立即竖起耳朵。
Because I can't do it.
因为我做不到。
I didn't like it.
我不喜欢它。
But I wasn't going to read in a completely white bread tone of voice, either.
但我也不打算用完全白面包的语气来读书。
I didn't want to do that.
我不想那样做。
It was humiliating and funny at the same time.
这既令人羞辱又好笑。
Give another example of times it was hard just to be an information machine.
再举一个例子，说明仅仅成为一台信息机器是很困难的。
A man actually had just fallen off a ladder in his garage.
实际上，一名男子刚刚从车库的梯子上摔下来。
And he had gone deaf.
他已经聋了。
And so he was calling up all his friends and telling them what had happened to him.
于是他打电话给所有的朋友，告诉他们发生在他身上的事情。
And so these people were completely unfamiliar with the service.
所以这些人对这项服务完全不熟悉。
So I had to explain the service.
所以我必须解释一下这项服务。
They still didn't understand it.
他们还是不明白。
And then he had to tell them, explain what the service was, why he was using it, and how he had just gone deaf.
然后他必须告诉他们，解释这项服务是什么，他为什么使用它，以及他是如何聋的。
And it was very obvious, I remember one man he had called, they were not that close.
很明显，我记得他给一个人打电话，他们的关系并不那么亲密。
And the man obviously did not know how to react.
而男人显然不知道该如何反应。
He was having a really hard time.
他过得很艰难。
He just kept saying I'm sorry, over and over.
他只是一遍又一遍地说对不起。
And it was really excessive.
而且确实太过分了。
And it was just really hard to keep telling all of it, knowing that you're going to have to tell six or seven people after this that this man has gone deaf.
继续讲述这一切真的很困难，因为你知道在这之后你必须告诉六七个人这个人已经聋了。
And at the end of that, so now you as a person, you've been through this experience with him of now, the two of you have told a half dozen people that he's gone deaf.
最后，现在你作为一个人，你已经和他一起经历了这段经历，你们两个已经告诉六个人他聋了。
It must be hard that after you get off the phone with the last person, that you and he don't talk about what just happened.
当你和最后一个人通完电话后，你和他不谈论刚刚发生的事情一定很困难。
Right.
正确的。
Sometimes people will say, because there is a 30-second window of time where I'm still on the line with him.
有时人们会说，因为有 30 秒的时间窗口我还在和他通话。
I remember he typed, "Thank you so much.
我记得他打字说：“非常感谢。
I'm sure that must have been very hard for you as well as me." So there is a brief moment of time.
我确信这对你和我来说一定非常困难。”所以有一个短暂的时间。
It's hard to be the middleman.
当中间人很难。
It's hard to keep your feelings out of it.
很难不让自己的感情融入其中。
It hard to stay neutral.
很难保持中立。
People want you to get involved, and they want you to get out of it.
人们希望你参与其中，又希望你退出。
You can't win for losing.
你不可能因为失败而获胜。
And I say this as a middle child.
我是作为一个中间孩子才这么说的。
And there there's that whole "eliminate the middleman" thing, eliminate the middleman.
这就是“消除中间人”的整个过程，消除中间人。
If you Google the phrase "eliminate the middleman," you get 3,800 websites promising to eliminate middlemen of every kind for you, car dealers, realtors, stockbrokers, furniture stores, stamp sales, plus one site that has figured out a way to bypass the lousy crop of presidential candidates we're offered every four years.
如果你用谷歌搜索“消除中间人”这个词，你会得到 3,800 个承诺为你消除各种中间商的网站，其中包括汽车经销商、房地产经纪人、股票经纪人、家具店、邮票销售，还有一个网站找到了一种方法来绕过我们每四年提供的大量总统候选人。
Eliminate the middleman, it promises.
它承诺消除中间商。
Satan for President in 2004.
2004年，撒旦竞选总统。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life , distributed by Public Radio International.
好吧，这是芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》，由国际公共广播电台发行。
Today on our program, middlemen.
今天我们的节目，中间人。
We will not eliminate him.
我们不会消灭他。
We will not pass the savings on to you.
我们不会将节省下来的钱转嫁给您。
No, no, no, for once, a defense of the beleaguered middleman in three acts, including a simple explanation of how you, yes, you, could have gotten rich off Michael Jordan, using the simple rules of market economics and a good down parka.
不，不，不，这一次，用三幕来为陷入困境的中间人辩护，其中包括一个简单的解释，说明你，是的，你，如何利用市场经济的简单规则和一件好的羽绒大衣，从迈克尔·乔丹身上致富。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Show Me the Monet.
第一幕，给我看看莫奈。
You know, you can't do a story about middlemen without a story about business and all the people who make their livings buying low and selling high, how they are sort of looking out for their customers, and sort of looking out for their product and their suppliers, and mainly looking out for themselves.
你知道，如果没有一个关于商业的故事，你就不能写一个关于中间商的故事，也不能没有关于商业的故事，以及所有以低买高卖为生的人的故事，他们如何照顾他们的客户，以及如何照顾他们的产品和供应商，主要是照顾他们自己。
And this story begins, as so many radio stories seem to these days, with a classifieds ad.
正如当今许多广播故事一样，这个故事是从一则分类广告开始的。
Triple-A tickets, all events, seven days, concerts, sports, theater, Lincoln Park.
3A 门票、所有活动、7 天、音乐会、体育、剧院、林肯公园。
And then it's got the address and the phone number.
然后有地址和电话号码。
For a lot of years, I worked here.
我在这里工作了很多年。
And if someone had called this ad, called in the phone number here, I probably would have been the one to answer the phone.
如果有人拨打这个广告，拨打这里的电话号码，我可能就是接电话的人。
When people call this number, I don't know what kind of place they're imagining, maybe a fancy little office downtown.
当人们拨打这个号码时，我不知道他们想象的是一个什么样的地方，也许是市中心的一个漂亮的小办公室。
But we were actually in the back of a video store, in this little dark office, the ceiling fan going real slowly counter-clockwise, kind of squeaking, one beam of light coming through the tall window up top, and dust streaming around the room, and a dog's barking out back.
但我们实际上是在一家音像店的后面，在这个黑暗的小办公室里，吊扇慢慢地逆时针旋转，有点吱吱作响，一束光从顶部的高窗户射进来，灰尘在房间里流淌，一只狗在后面吠叫。
I remember, for a while, there was not many movies on the shelves.
我记得有一段时间，书架上的电影并不多。
There was Buster, that movie that Phil Collins made.
菲尔·柯林斯拍的电影《巴斯特》。
[LAUGHTER] And no one would ever rent those movies.
[笑声] 没有人会租这些电影。
How long did you work there?
你在那里工作了多长时间？
Man On and off from '96 to about 2001.
男人从96年到2001年左右断断续续。
Over the course of those few years, I got to know the ticket world inside and out.
在这几年里，我对票务世界有了里里外外的了解。
I met people with names like 35th Street Eddie, South Side Frank, Fast Willie, Richie the Head.
我遇到过诸如 35 街艾迪、南边弗兰克、快人威利、大头里奇这样的人。
There was a guy named Elbow, who had sort of a big elbow.
有一个叫肘部的人，他的肘部有点大。
A lot of guys got nicknames after whatever event that they specialized in, Monet Joe.
很多人在他们专门从事的任何活动之后都会得到绰号：莫奈·乔（Monet Joe）。
One time, there was a Monet exhibit at the art institute.
有一次，艺术学院举办莫奈画展。
So people come in from out of town, and they want to go to the exhibit.
所以人们从外地进来，他们想去参观展览。
The only way they can go is if they have these VIP staff passes.
他们唯一能走的路就是拥有这些 VIP 工作人员通行证。
And Monet somehow managed to have a few hundred of them.
莫奈不知何故设法拥有了几百幅这样的作品。
All the ticket brokers, all the ticket guys, all the hotel concierges, everyone was calling Monet.
所有的票务经纪人、所有的售票员、所有的酒店礼宾部，每个人都在给莫奈打电话。
And from then on, he's just been called Monet.
从那时起，他就被称为莫奈。
So you came back to town and started to look up some of the people that you used to work with, right?
所以你回到城里并开始寻找一些你曾经共事过的人，对吧？
And so who did you talk to first?
那么你首先和谁说话呢？
First, I looked up an old ticket friend named Liz.
首先，我找到了一位名叫莉兹的老票友。
And we started talking about some of our old clients.
我们开始谈论我们的一些老客户。
You spends so much time on the phone talking to the worst people.
你花了很多时间在电话上与最糟糕的人交谈。
They're either mean, or they're rude.
他们要么卑鄙，要么粗鲁。
Ugh.
啊。
And you're always putting people on hold, like, "Let me get my supervisor.
你总是让人们等待，比如，“让我去找我的主管。
Let me talk to my supervisor." And you're like, ptth.
让我和我的主管谈谈。”你就像，ptth。
I'm not doing [BLEEP] for this guy.
我不会为这个家伙做[BLEEP]。
He stayed on hold.
他保持着等待状态。
He'll hang up.
他会挂断电话。
He'll hang up.
他会挂断电话。
We call it the stew pot.
我们称之为炖锅。
When you left someone just on hold, you say let them stew for a little while.
当你让某人等待时，你会说让他们再等一会儿。
And usually, if they're kind of hemming and hawing, going back and forth, you let them stew for a few, like five minutes.
通常，如果它们支吾其词，来回走动，你就让它们炖一会儿，比如五分钟。
Maybe come on once and be like, "Hang in there, man.
也许来一次，然后说：“坚持住，伙计。
Hang in there.
坚持住。
I'll be right back with you." Let them stew another five minutes.
我马上回来陪你。”让它们再炖五分钟。
Then, after 10, they're ready to talk.
然后，十点之后，他们就准备好谈话了。
They're ready to deal.
他们已经准备好进行交易了。
Yeah, definitely.
是的，绝对是。
We had the lead transfer him to this line that would ring and ring and ring.
我们让领导把他转移到这条一直响个不停的线路上。
You're like, "Don't pick up line four.
你会说，“不要接第四号线。
Everybody knows line four is [BLEEP] line.
大家都知道第四行是 [BLEEP] 行。
Don't pick it up."
别捡起来。”
That's so funny, because we always had the same thing.
这太有趣了，因为我们总是有同样的事情。
We had different lines that meant different things.
我们有不同的台词，意味着不同的事情。
You had a couple lines you had to answer different things.
你有几行，你必须回答不同的事情。
Like one line, you had to answer, hello.
就像一行字一样，你必须回答，你好。
Like any time we try to get act tickets through legitimate means, like group sales or anything like that.
就像任何时候我们试图通过合法手段获得演出门票一样，比如团体销售或类似的方式。
You would put the home phone number.
您可以输入家庭电话号码。
So it said on all the phones, hello.
所以所有的电话都说，你好。
There was a little taped-up piece of paper that said "hello" on it to remind you to answer it "hello?"
有一张用胶带粘起来的小纸片，上面写着“你好”，提醒你回答“你好？”
This was a phone line that was supposed to simulate an actual home, someone's residence.
这是一条电话线，旨在模拟真实的家庭，某人的住所。
You were just supposed to pick it up and say, "Hello?" This was when we ordered group sale tickets from the Cubs.
你应该接起它并说：“喂？”当时我们从小熊队订购了团体销售门票。
So we put in orders for tons of group sales.
因此，我们下了大量的团体销售订单。
And if they knew we were a ticket broker, they wouldn't be having it.
如果他们知道我们是票务经纪人，他们就不会这么做了。
We wouldn't get the tickets.
我们买不到票。
So we'd pick different names of organizations.
所以我们会选择不同的组织名称。
No, they would just call you.
不，他们只会打电话给你。
And they would be like, what's the name of your organization?
他们会问，你的组织叫什么名字？
And sometimes you would say, "Oh, well, it's Grandpa Louie's 70th birthday.
有时你会说：“哦，好吧，今天是路易爷爷的 70 岁生日。
So we're bringing 40 people to that game." Or, "The Little League hockey team that I coach, we're having a special slumber party.
所以我们将带 40 个人来观看这场比赛。”或者，“我执教的少年棒球联盟曲棍球队，我们正在举办一场特别的睡衣派对。
And we need 120 tickets.
我们需要 120 张门票。
We got tykes coming from all over, up and down the state.
我们有来自全州各地的孩子。
They're all-stars.
他们是全明星。
You should see some of these kids.
你应该看看这些孩子中的一些。
They're really fine hockey players."
他们真的是优秀的曲棍球运动员。”
There was another phone line that if it rang, you were just supposed to pick the phone line up and not say anything at all, just pick it up and put it to your ear and be silent.
还有另一条电话线，如果电话铃响了，你就应该接起电话线，什么也不要说，只是接起来放在耳边，然后保持沉默。
That was Guy Lobster, who owned the business.
那就是盖·龙虾，他是这家公司的老板。
That was one of his special lines.
这是他的特色台词之一。
And it was important that just didn't say anything.
重要的是，什么也没说。
You weren't supposed to let them hear your voice, even.
你甚至不应该让他们听到你的声音。
So just pick it up and be silent.
所以只要拿起它并保持沉默即可。
Actually, I never figured out what that one was for.
其实我一直没明白那东西是干什么用的。
There's a guy named Leo, who was one of my best friends of all the ticket guys.
有一个叫 Leo 的人，他是我所有售票员中最好的朋友之一。
And a couple days ago, I was in Ann Arbor, at a Michigan football game, and Leo was out there, buying and selling.
几天前，我在安娜堡观看密歇根州的一场橄榄球比赛，利奥就在那里进行买卖。
I saw a couple of the old guys I knew, so they'd come in from all over.
我看到了几个我认识的老家伙，所以他们是从四面八方赶来的。
And Leo was out there.
利奥就在那里。
So I put this mic on his collar, attached the battery pack to his butt, and just listened to him walk around.
所以我把这个麦克风放在他的项圈上，把电池组装在他的屁股上，然后听他走来走去。
Anybody got one extra ticket?
有人多拿到一张票吗？
Anybody got one extra?
有人多发一份吗？
What is this called, actually, what he's doing now?
这叫什么，实际上，他现在在做什么？
Is there a term for what he's doing?
他所做的事情有一个术语吗？
Yeah, he's walking the walk.
是的，他正在走路。
The area by the stadium or by the concert hall is called the walk.
体育场或音乐厅附近的区域称为步行道。
And then you're walking the walk.
然后你就开始行动了。
You're saying, "Who needs two?"
你说：“谁需要两个？”
So he's just showed up here without any tickets.
所以他只是出现在这里，没有任何门票。
Right.
正确的。
He's trying to buy some tickets, so then he can turn them around, and, we say "flip 'em," so he can flip them for some dough, flip them for a profit.
他想买一些票，这样他就可以把它们转过来，我们说“翻转它们”，这样他就可以翻转它们来赚点钱，翻转它们来赚取利润。
You got one extra?
你还多了一份吗？
How much do you want for it?
你想要多少钱？
20?
20？
We're at row 60.
我们在第 60 排。
Leo Row 60?
狮子座 60？
How about 15?
15个怎么样？
$49 ticket.
票价49美元。
Leo OK.
利奥 好的。
Sure you can't do 15?
你确定不能做15个吗？
I'll do 18, but that's it.
我会做18，但仅此而已。
Leo There you go.
狮子座 就这样吧。
OK, so I actually timed this.
好的，所以我实际上计时了这个。
From the moment he says "Thank you, man," to the moment he runs into another person is exactly 1 minute and 20 seconds.
从他说“谢谢你，伙计”到他遇到另一个人，正好是1分20秒。
You guys need tickets?
你们需要门票吗？
I got one.
我得到了一个。
I'd sell it for 100.
我愿意卖 100 块。
We ain't got that-- Alex Blumberg Wait a minute.
我们不明白——亚历克斯·布隆伯格（Alex Blumberg）等一下。
He just tried to sell it for $100?
他只是想以 100 美元的价格卖掉它？
You get what you can, you know?
你会得到你能得到的，你知道吗？
You might as well start high.
你不妨从高处开始。
You never know.
你永远不知道。
Maybe the guy's going to pull out $100 and say, here.
也许那个人会拿出 100 美元并说，这里。
It can't hurt to start at $100 and come down.
从 100 美元开始然后降价也没什么坏处。
You can't go up.
你不能上去。
You can't say $30, and if the guy says, "Only 30?" Be, "Oh, no, no, no. 50." Start as high-- you can always come down.
你不能说 30 美元，如果那人说：“只有 30 美元？”是，“哦，不，不，50。”从高处开始——你总是可以下来。
Did you have other techniques that you used when you were doing this?
当你这样做时，你还使用过其他技术吗？
There's a whole psychology to what to do to sell someone tickets.
如何向某人推销门票是有一套完整的心理学原理的。
Like when I was on the street, outside of the United Center, say, at a Bulls game, I'd present myself differently to different people, depending on what I thought they wanted out of this ticket-buying transaction.
就像当我在联合中心球馆外的大街上时，比如说，在公牛队的比赛中，我会向不同的人展示不同的自己，这取决于我认为他们想从这次购票交易中得到什么。
Some guys would be kind of nervous.
有些人会有点紧张。
And I'd see him walking up, and all the hustlers going up to him, trying to sell him tickets.
我会看到他走过来，所有的骗子都向他走来，试图向他兜售门票。
And they'd look all wary.
他们看起来都很警惕。
And they'd have a couple kids with them.
他们还有几个孩子。
So then I'd go up to them, and I'd just be like, "Sir, my uncle couldn't come to the game tonight.
然后我就会走到他们面前，然后说：“先生，我叔叔今晚不能来观看比赛。
But I do have this extra ticket, if you guys want to come.
但我有这张额外的票，如果你们想来的话。
They're great seats.
它们是很棒的座位。
I sit in them every game with my uncle." And I made him feel comfortable buying tickets from me.
每场比赛我都会和叔叔一起坐在里面。”我让他放心地从我这里买票。
And sometimes, there were the guys who, they'd come with a few friends.
有时，有些人会和几个朋友一起来。
And they wanted to show off that they could work with our underworld element, that they knew how to deal with scalpers.
他们想炫耀他们可以与我们的黑社会分子合作，他们知道如何对付黄牛。
They'd be like, "I'll take care of it." They'd say to their friends, you'd see them, "I'll be right back." And they'd come up to me.
他们会说：“我会处理好的。”他们会对他们的朋友说，你会见到他们，“我马上回来。”他们会向我走来。
And then I'd be the hardened street hustler.
然后我就成了顽固的街头骗子。
And I'd be looking around constantly.
我会不断地环顾四周。
I'd be saying, "Come on, man.
我会说：“来吧，伙计。
The heat's tight out here tonight.
今晚这里天气很热。
Work with me.
和我一起工作。
Work with me.
和我一起工作。
What are you payin'?
你付什么钱？
What are you payin'?
你付什么钱？
What do you need?" Just trying to make them feel like they were really wheeling and dealing.
你需要什么？”只是想让他们觉得他们真的是在兜圈子。
Did you always win?
你总是赢吗？
Did the customer ever have a chance?
客户有机会吗？
Really, out of every transaction, both people win.
确实，在每笔交易中，双方都是赢家。
If they paid you it, then they could afford it.
如果他们付钱给你，那么他们就能负担得起。
So many people would buy tickets from me at just what I imagine to be an exorbitant-- I myself was like, this price is ridiculous.
很多人会以我想象中的高价向我买票——我自己就想，这个价格太荒谬了。
And yet, they would be so happy.
然而，他们会很高兴。
They would be glowing.
他们会发光。
And they were so appreciative and thankful to me, for getting them into the game.
他们非常感激我让他们参与到游戏中。
But I did make it a rule, sometimes a point of pride, to not let them go in with any, you know, to see how much money they had in their wallet.
但我确实制定了一条规则，有时是一种骄傲，不让他们带着任何东西进去，你知道，看看他们钱包里有多少钱。
And I was going to take all of it.
我打算接受这一切。
They didn't need popcorn in the game.
他们在游戏中不需要爆米花。
They didn't need a beer.
他们不需要啤酒。
Being a ticket broker is different than being in other businesses, where if you run a bar, and you run out of Bud Lite, you call up and have them pull that truck right up out back in the loading dock and wheel about 20 cases off.
票务经纪人与其他行业不同，在其他行业，如果您经营一家酒吧，而 Bud Lite 卖完了，您就打电话让他们把卡车拉回装货码头，然后运走大约 20 箱。
But when you want to get tickets, it's not that simple.
但当你想要获得门票时，事情就没那么简单了。
There's no easy way to do it.
没有简单的方法可以做到这一点。
So ticket brokers have to rely on just a whole network of shadowy associates to bring the tickets into them.
因此，票务经纪人必须依靠整个秘密合作伙伴网络来将票带入他们的手中。
There's a guy named Moose who has a whole bike gang.
有一个叫穆斯的人，他有一整个自行车帮。
And every year, when Cubs games would go on sale, at the Cubs on sale, you're only allowed to buy eight tickets for up to eight games, so 64 tickets total.
每年，当小熊队的比赛开始发售时，在小熊队的发售中，你最多只能购买八场比赛的八张门票，所以总共有 64 张门票。
He would get about 15 of his biker friends.
他会得到大约 15 个骑自行车的朋友。
He would just keep them up all night on Friday night drinking, merrymaking, singing, whatever it would take.
周五晚上他会让他们彻夜不眠，喝酒、狂欢、唱歌，不惜一切代价。
So when the tickets went on sale, he'd then have 15 guys who were waiting there.
所以当门票开始发售时，他就会有 15 个人在那里等着。
And hopefully the weren't passed out.
希望他们没有昏倒。
They were waiting there to buy 64 tickets each.
他们在那里等着买64张票。
When he brings them in to the ticket broker, the broker will pay him $10 over the face value for each ticket.
当他把票交给票务经纪人时，经纪人会向他支付每张票票面价值 10 美元的费用。
At the Bulls on sales, they started doing this lottery system.
在公牛队的销售中，他们开始实行这种抽签制度。
They didn't want people to just be camping out two weeks beforehand, because they knew that these tickets were going to be worth so much.
他们不希望人们提前两周露营，因为他们知道这些门票会值很多钱。
So a couple enterprising ticket brokers started rounding up the homeless guys around Chicago.
于是，几个有进取心的票务经纪人开始围捕芝加哥周围的无家可归者。
The actually would rent a school bus, and they would drive around Chicago, just pulling people into the bus, promising them $10 or $20 if they'd come hang out for the morning.
他们实际上会租一辆校车，然后在芝加哥周围行驶，只是把人们拉上车，并承诺如果他们早上来玩的话，他们会得到 10 或 20 美元。
Sometimes they'd even pull up in front of the homeless shelter right down there on South Wabash or South State and just toot the horn.
有时他们甚至会把车停在南瓦巴什或南州的无家可归者收容所前，然后按喇叭。
And all the guys would come filing out and fill up the bus.
所有的人都会鱼贯而出，挤满巴士。
They'd drive them down to the United Center box office window.
他们会开车送他们到联合中心的售票窗口。
When the tickets went on sale, you'd have, out of the first 60 people in line, there'd be 50 homeless guys waiting to buy these $100 tickets.
当门票开始销售时，在前 60 名排队的人中，有 50 个无家可归的人在等待购买这些 100 美元的门票。
And the brokers would just give them a few hundred bucks each to buy the tickets they wanted.
经纪人只会给他们每人几百美元来购买他们想要的门票。
Every once in a while, tickets would be released into the system.
每隔一段时间，就会有票被释放到系统中。
Suddenly they would become available.
突然之间，它们就变得可用了。
A game that had been sold out, suddenly there are six tickets that are available.
本来已经卖完的一场比赛，突然还有六张票可售。
And maybe it's a season ticket holder who has canceled, and said, "I can't come to this game."
也许是季票持有者取消了比赛，并说：“我不能来观看这场比赛。”
Or David Stern, the NBA commissioner, he actually has four front row seats to every game in the NBA, every night.
或者 NBA 总裁大卫·斯特恩 (David Stern)，他实际上在 NBA 每场比赛、每晚都有四个前排座位。
And there's no way that he can go to every game every night.
而且他不可能每晚都去观看每场比赛。
In fact, a lot of nights he doesn't go to any game.
事实上，很多晚上他都没有去看任何比赛。
So sometime the day of the game, they'll release those seats.
因此，在比赛当天的某个时候，他们会释放这些座位。
And those four beautiful seats will suddenly become available into the system.
这四个漂亮的座位将突然在系统中可用。
So whoever's the first person to phone in, go to a window, or punch in online at that precise second is going to be the one that gets them.
因此，无论谁是第一个在这一时刻打电话进来、第一个走到窗口或在网上打卡的人，都将是第一个得到他们的人。
So Monet, Monet Joe, what he would do is all night, he would just hang out at his computer, keep pecking, pecking, pecking away, with the Grateful Dead playing and smoking a J and just pecking away, pecking away.
所以莫奈，莫奈·乔，他要做的就是整个晚上，他只是在电脑前闲逛，不断地啄、啄、啄，而感恩而死乐队则演奏着，抽着 J 烟，啄着，啄着。
Usually it says, "Sorry, your selection is not available." He would peck again, one ticket.
通常它会说：“抱歉，您的选择不可用。”他会再啄一次，一张票。
He might peck 1,000 times.
他可能会啄1000次。
But then all of a sudden, your screen lights up and gives you that section and row number and says, "Would you like to finish this purchase?" And you know you just made-- you can buy that ticket for face value, which is about as low as you can buy a ticket, and sell it for 10 times that, sometimes.
但突然间，您的屏幕亮起，显示该部分和行号，并说：“您想完成此次购买吗？”你知道你刚刚做了——你可以按面值购买这张票，这大约是你能买一张票的最低价格，有时可以以 10 倍的价格出售。
During the time that you worked, during those five years that you worked as a scalper, how was the money?
你工作的那段时间，你做黄牛的那五年，钱怎么样？
It was pretty phat.
这是相当胖的。
It was sick.
它病了。
It was humongous.
它是巨大的。
I had a suitcase of money.
我有一箱钱。
Yeah.
是的。
It was actually so much money that I didn't want to deposit it at one time in a bank.
实在是太多钱了，我一次都不想存进银行。
I didn't want to freak out the bank manager or anything like that.
我不想吓坏银行经理或类似的人。
So I would put a little bit in one bank, a little bit in another bank.
所以我会在一家银行存一点，在另一家银行存一点。
And then there was a third bank where I had a safety deposit box.
然后还有第三家银行，我在那里有一个保险箱。
And I would just stuff the cash into the safety deposit box.
我会把现金塞进保险箱。
The Bulls days, Michael Jordan, were really the golden age of tickets in Chicago.
迈克尔乔丹的公牛队时代确实是芝加哥门票的黄金时代。
There's always peaks and valleys.
总是有高峰和低谷。
And I'm sure Yankees tickets are pretty nice now.
我确信洋基队的门票现在很不错。
Laker tickets are alright.
湖人队的门票还可以。
But it was a rare, it wasn't just one sports team having a nice run.
但这是罕见的，不仅仅是一支运动队表现出色。
It really became something that-- it became the focus of the entire world.
它真的成为了全世界的焦点。
You'd meet people from Sweden and Japan and Korea and England and Germany, and you were like a celebrity to them.
你会遇到来自瑞典、日本、韩国、英国和德国的人，对他们来说你就像名人一样。
You had what everybody else in the world wanted.
你拥有世界上其他人想要的东西。
You had a stack of tickets to the Chicago Bulls game.
您有一叠芝加哥公牛队比赛的门票。
And people would do anything for them, and they would pay any price.
人们愿意为他们做任何事，他们愿意付出任何代价。
We felt like we were part of something bigger than us.
我们感觉自己是比我们更大的事物的一部分。
We felt like we were part of this historical moment.
我们感觉自己是这个历史时刻的一部分。
The day Michael Jordan retired in 1998, in June, that's the same day I retired.
1998 年 6 月，迈克尔·乔丹 (Michael Jordan) 退役的那一天，也是我退役的同一天。
Michael Jordan probably sits around with his cousins and friends and talked about his great shots that he made, his game-winning dunks.
迈克尔·乔丹可能会和他的表兄弟和朋友坐在一起，谈论他的精彩投篮和赢得比赛的扣篮。
Some of the ticket people sit around and talk about the great sales that they made for Bulls games.
一些售票人员围坐在一起，谈论他们为公牛队比赛带来的巨大销量。
Like, I talked to my friend, John, and he's got a story about it.
就像，我和我的朋友约翰聊过，他有一个关于这件事的故事。
An old lady was walking down the street.
一位老太太正走在街上。
She passed all the hustlers up.
她把所有的骗子都放过了。
And nobody had thought to ask her.
没有人想到去问她。
But I was walking down the street, and I just said, "Do anybody have any extra tickets?"
但我走在街上，我只是说：“有人还有多余的票吗？”
She said, "Do you need tickets?" I said, "Yeah." And she said, "Yeah, I got a couple of extra tickets, section 111, row 15."
她说：“需要门票吗？”我说：“是啊。”她说：“是的，我多了几张票，111 区，第 15 排。”
These was the best tickets.
这些是最好的门票。
These was in center court, 15 rows from the floor.
这些场地位于中央球场，距地面 15 排。
She sold me the tickets at $85 each, which at that time, was face value tickets.
她以每张 85 美元的价格卖给我门票，这在当时是票面价值的。
I, in turn, didn't even get a chance to walk 10 feet away after I bought the tickets.
反过来，我买票后连走10英尺的机会都没有。
A whole gang of people got around me.
一大群人围住了我。
And everybody was bidding on them.
每个人都在竞价。
When we got finished bidding with those tickets, those tickets sold at $1,200 cash a ticket.
当我们完成这些门票的竞拍后，这些门票的售价为每张 1,200 美元现金。
I was so happy.
我很高兴。
And the guy that bought them was a Chinese man.
买它们的人是一个中国人。
Him and his wife went.
他和他的妻子去了。
They thought I was God, because they had the best seats.
他们认为我是上帝，因为他们有最好的座位。
And I stuffed the money in my pocket and skipped on down the street.
我把钱塞进口袋，蹦蹦跳跳地沿着街道走去。
But that was the most memorable thing.
但这是最难忘的事情。
This is what a hustler dream of, of a deal like that, because you hardly ever find a deal like that.
这就是骗子所梦想的，这样的交易，因为你几乎找不到这样的交易。
You can hardly ever find tickets on a Jordan day.
你几乎找不到约旦日的门票。
Even if you do a ticket like that, you're going to pay a few hundred dollars for it, and then you're going to run around and try to sell it for big money.
即使你做这样的票，你也要花几百美元买它，然后你会到处跑，试图把它卖个大钱。
But to get a deal like that, it just stays with you.
但要获得这样的交易，一切都取决于你。
There's nothing to say about a deal like that.
对于这样的交易，没什么好说的。
Bought cheap, sold high, what more can I say?
便宜买，高卖，还能说什么？
Yeah, well, it's just not like it used to be during the Jordan era.
是的，好吧，这和乔丹时代的过去不一样了。
What can I say?
我能说什么？
It's terrible.
太可怕了。
It is.
这是。
It's bad.
这很糟糕。
How bad is it?
有多糟糕？
John Here, I'll show you.
约翰 在这里，我会告诉你。
One day, I was at the White Sox, trying to sell tickets, right?
有一天，我在白袜队，试图卖票，对吗？
And I had this guy that was going to buy a couple tickets from me.
我有一个人要从我这里买几张票。
And wasn't charging a lot.
而且收费不多。
And it was a $27 ticket.
这是一张 27 美元的门票。
I was going to give it to him for $20 apiece.
我本来打算以每张 20 美元的价格送给他。
And a fan walked up and just gave him two tickets.
一位粉丝走过来，只给了他两张门票。
That's how bad it was.
事情就是这样糟糕。
And the guy said, "Thanks for talking to me," and went to the ballpark.
那个人说：“谢谢你跟我说话”，然后就去了球场。
It's a cold, dark, rainy, miserable, February day every day.
二月的每一天都是寒冷、黑暗、下雨、悲惨的一天。
And it's [INAUDIBLE] now.
现在是[听不清]。
Where instead of the gleaming bright sun of the Bulls era.
那里不再是公牛时代闪闪发光的灿烂阳光。
It used to be this page had about 30, 40 ads every day in here.
以前这个页面每天大约有30、40个广告。
Now there's, what, one, two, three, four, five, six.
现在有什么，一，二，三，四，五，六。
So a lot of people are out of the game that once were in it.
因此，很多人已经退出了曾经参与的游戏。
It wasn't just me that retired.
退役的不只是我一个人。
Our ticket scalper talked with This American Life producer Alex Blumberg.
我们的票贩子与《美国生活》制片人亚历克斯·布隆伯格进行了交谈。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE" BY EDDIE MONEY]
[音乐播放 - 艾迪·莫尼的《两张天堂门票》]
Coming up, 60,000 Memphis fans can't be wrong about you, can they?
即将到来，六万名孟菲斯球迷对你的看法不会错，不是吗？
In a minute from Public Radio International and Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.
距离国际公共广播电台和芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后，我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose some theme and bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，并为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Middlemen, in which we examine what it means to be the monkey in the middle.
今天的节目《中间人》中，我们将探讨成为中间的猴子意味着什么。
We have arrived at Act Two of our program, Act Two, Stuck Inside of Memphis.
我们已经到了我们计划的第二幕，第二幕，《困在孟菲斯》。
A while back, there was a fire in Beth Landau's apartment building in New York.
不久前，贝丝·兰道位于纽约的公寓楼发生火灾。
And when the firemen from around the corner were responding to the call, she and her mom, who was visiting, got to talking with one of them, a guy named Sal Princiatta.
当街角的消防员接到电话时，她和来访的妈妈开始与其中一位名叫萨尔·普林西亚塔 (Sal Princiatta) 的消防员交谈。
Sal was a huge Elvis fan.
萨尔是猫王的超级粉丝。
He looks a bit like Elvis.
他看起来有点像埃尔维斯。
And as fate had it, Beth's mom went to high school in Memphis with Elvis.
命运如此安排，贝丝的妈妈和埃尔维斯一起在孟菲斯上高中。
So there was a lot to talk about.
所以有很多话要谈。
OK, time passes.
好吧，时间过去了。
After September 11th, Beth checks at the firehouse around the corner to see if Sal is OK.
9 月 11 日之后，贝丝到拐角处的消防站检查萨尔是否还好。
This is one of the units that lost a lot of guys.
这是失去很多人员的单位之一。
And it turns out that he survived.
事实证明他活了下来。
He's depressed.
他很沮丧。
Like a lot of firefighters, he developed asthma from digging in the dust and the rubble in the weeks after September 11th, but he is alive.
和许多消防员一样，9 月 11 日之后的几周内，他因在灰尘和瓦砾中挖掘而患上了哮喘，但他还活着。
She starts dropping by with food for the guys, hanging out.
她开始顺便给男人们送食物，出去玩。
And wanting to do something nice for Sal, she organizes a trip to Memphis for him, to see Graceland.
为了为萨尔做点好事，她为他组织了一次去孟菲斯的旅行，参观格雷斯兰。
Other firemen from the house get interested in going.
房子里的其他消防员也有兴趣前往。
And in the end, in May of 2002, 18 of them went as guests of the Memphis Fire Department and many other sponsors, with stops at Al Green's church, all the varied requisite Elvis sights, and an appearance before 60,000 people at the Sunset Symphony on the banks of the Mississippi.
最终，在 2002 年 5 月，他们中的 18 人作为孟菲斯消防局和许多其他赞助商的客人前往，在艾尔·格林教堂停留，参观了所有各种猫王必去的景点，并在密西西比河畔的日落交响乐团的 60,000 名观众面前亮相。
And Sal found that for the people of Memphis who they met, he and the other guys were a very particular kind of middleman, a very unusual kind of middleman.
萨尔发现，对于他们遇到的孟菲斯人来说，他和其他人是一种非常特殊的中间人，一种非常不寻常的中间人。
When we arrived into Memphis, as soon as they find out who you are, you're a rock star.
当我们到达孟菲斯时，他们一发现你是谁，你就是摇滚明星。
And now for what you have all been waiting for.
现在就是你们一直在等待的事情了。
We're here to meet the heroes from New York City.
我们来这里是为了会见来自纽约市的英雄。
These guys are from Engine House 33, Ladder Company 9, which I think is about a mile from the World Trade Center.
这些人来自梯子连 9 号发动机室 33，我认为距离世界贸易中心大约一英里。
These were some first guys on the scene, and they lost 10 men out of their 40-man crew.
他们是第一批到达现场的人员，他们的 40 名船员中损失了 10 名。
So these are the real heroes of New York City.
所以他们是纽约市真正的英雄。
We represent good, you know.
你知道，我们代表着善良。
Man Sal, I'd like for Sal "Elvis" Princiatta to come up.
曼·萨尔，我希望萨尔·“埃尔维斯”·普林西亚塔上台。
Everybody wishes they could have been there, I think, in one way, for one hour, for one minute.
我想，每个人都希望自己能以某种方式在那里待一小时、一分钟。
So we connect them to that one minute.
所以我们将它们与那一分钟联系起来。
It's unnerving.
这令人不安。
And a lot of the guys feel the same way.
很多人也有同样的感觉。
It's very unnerving to be applauded.
获得掌声是非常令人不安的。
I just can't take it.
我就是受不了。
I appreciate it, but it's unnerving.
我很感激，但这令人不安。
It's embarrassing.
真尴尬。
We represent, we are FDNY, and that's what they see.
我们代表的是，我们是纽约消防局，这就是他们所看到的。
They don't see names, not me, not Pete, not Joe, not anybody.
他们看不到名字，看不到我，看不到皮特，看不到乔，看不到任何人。
They see what we do.
他们看到我们所做的。
We see, and we know, that we pretty much didn't do anything.
我们看到，我们知道，我们几乎什么也没做。
I think they feel sorry for us, because we lost the battle, maybe almost pity us.
我认为他们为我们感到难过，因为我们输掉了这场战斗，也许几乎是可怜我们。
They do pity us.
他们确实可怜我们。
That's pity out there.
这真是可惜了。
That's pity treatment.
这就是怜悯的待遇。
Are y'all friends of those people that died in the World Trade Center?
你们都是世贸中心遇难者的朋友吗？
Mm-hmm.
嗯嗯。
Woman I welcome you to Sun Studios, the birthplace of rock and roll.
女士，欢迎您来到太阳工作室，摇滚乐的发源地。
And if you have any questions, hold them until the end of the tour.
如果您有任何疑问，请保留到游览结束为止。
And if you have any pagers or cell phones, then turn those off now, because we are entering the year 1950.
如果您有任何寻呼机或手机，请立即将其关闭，因为我们正在进入 1950 年。
Sun Records was great.
太阳唱片很棒。
The birth of rock and roll, that was a good place to be.
摇滚乐的诞生，那是一个好地方。
That's one part that sticks out in my head a lot.
这是我脑海中经常浮现的一部分。
Everybody that comes off the tour, I'm going to give y'all one of our short-sleeve t-shirts over here.
每个结束巡演的人，我都会送给你们一件我们的短袖 T 恤。
No way, they're getting a short-sleeve t-shirt?
不可能吧，他们要买一件短袖T恤？
Black, white, burgundy, the blue, also in black, and all different style t-shirts.
黑色，白色，酒红色，蓝色，还有黑色，以及各种不同风格的T恤。
Perfect.
完美的。
Just pick your size, my friend.
只要选择你的尺寸，我的朋友。
So to take gifts from people, how do I feel?
那么，当我接受别人的礼物时，我的感受如何？
People want to pacify, and want to do what they can.
人们想要安定，想要做一些力所能及的事情。
And so, I present a pair of gold and clausinate cuff links with the city seal.
因此，我赠送了一对带有城市印章的金质克劳斯袖扣。
But it's hard to conceive.
但很难受孕。
You're getting gifts while your friends are dead.
当你的朋友去世时，你会收到礼物。
That's all.
就这样。
How does that equate?
这如何等同？
What's the purpose?
目的是什么？
These are real heroes.
他们是真正的英雄。
These guys are from New York, World Trade Center.
这些人来自纽约世贸中心。
What's up guys, how are you?
怎么样，伙计们，你们好吗？
Sal Princiatta I've seen a cartoon in the newspaper of Spider-man, Batman, and Superman asking for a firefighter's autograph.
Sal Princiatta 我在报纸上看到一幅蜘蛛侠、蝙蝠侠和超人的漫画，要求消防员签名。
And that's just too much to be put on any average joe's back.
对于任何一个普通人来说，这个负担实在是太大了。
Because that's really what we are.
因为我们确实就是这样的。
And these great guys are here for three days.
这些伟大的家伙在这里待了三天。
Let's give them a standing Memphis ovation.
让我们为他们起立为孟菲斯鼓掌。
The symphony was pretty cool.
交响乐非常酷。
I don't really like speaking in public.
我真的不喜欢在公共场合讲话。
We were there for the closing ceremonies of Memphis in May.
五月份我们在那里参加了孟菲斯的闭幕式。
Or was it May in Memphis?
或者是孟菲斯的五月？
I can't remember.
我不记得了。
A lot of people get emotional.
很多人都会情绪激动。
Maybe they see the pain in our eyes, and for anybody who was ever a soldier, you could tell.
也许他们看到了我们眼中的痛苦，对于任何曾经当过兵的人来说，你都能看出来。
They see the look in the eyes.
他们看到了眼睛里的表情。
So they feel for us.
所以他们对我们有感觉。
And also, it's their own grief, I would think, that they're letting out.
而且，我认为，他们发泄的也是他们自己的悲伤。
They can't say enough.
他们说得还不够。
So they repeat themselves, which is fine.
所以他们重复自己，这很好。
I'd like to just shake your hand, bud.
我只想和你握手，伙计。
Y'all did a hell of a job.
你们都干得非常出色。
And I would
我会
[INTERPOSING VOICES] That's all I can say, is I'm proud.
[插话]我只能说，我很自豪。
We're really proud of you.
我们真的为你感到骄傲。
You guys have put us up and made us feel right at home here, very nice of you.
你们让我们感到宾至如归，你们非常好。
We're just proud of you, is all I can say.
我只能说，我们为你感到骄傲。
That's all I can say.
我只能说这么多。
Thank you, sir.
谢谢您，先生。
Man That's all I can tell you is, we're proud of you guys.
伙计，我只能告诉你，我们为你们感到骄傲。
Y'all did a hell of a job, and we're proud of you, that's all I can say.
你们干得非常出色，我们为你们感到骄傲，这就是我能说的。
We're really proud of you.
我们真的为你感到骄傲。
Y'all did a hell of a job, and that's all I can say, bud.
你们干得非常出色，我只能说这么多，伙计。
We're his connection.
我们是他的联络人。
We're his connection to what went down.
我们是他与所发生事件的联系者。
And that's it.
就是这样。
We connect him to what went down.
我们将他与所发生的事情联系起来。
And we give him a vehicle to feel it.
我们给他一个工具来感受它。
Whereas for you-- Sal Princiatta Exactly.
而对于你来说——Sal Princiatta 正是如此。
As for us, we're too connected?
至于我们，是不是太有联系了？
No [BLEEP].
没有[哔]。
Very much too connected.
联系太紧密了。
There was one day we played a softball game against Memphis Fire Department.
有一天，我们与孟菲斯消防局打了一场垒球比赛。
He's now a paramedic?
他现在是一名护理人员？
Sal Princiatta Something.
Sal Princiatta 一些东西。
I was having a hard time.
我过得很艰难。
I dug there a lot of days.
我在那里挖了很多天。
That's why my health is so bad.
这就是为什么我的健康状况如此糟糕。
But I was having a real hard time, until I got warmed up.
但在我热身之前，我真的很难过。
If we had our team, if we had our A-team, we would have definitely beat them.
如果我们有我们的球队，如果我们有我们的A队，我们肯定会击败他们。
Like we have Mike and Dave, who were killed in 9/11.
就像迈克和戴夫一样，他们在 9/11 事件中被杀。
They were great outfielders.
他们是伟大的外野手。
If they were there, it's a different game.
如果他们在那里，那就是一场不同的比赛。
If Gerarde Baptiste, that's three outfielders.
如果是杰拉德·巴蒂斯特，那就是三个外野手。
If we had those guys there, we would have picked them apart.
如果我们有这些人，我们就会把他们分开。
We lost a lot of guys from the team.
我们队里失去了很多人。
And in fact, a recent guy, Gary Guidell, who just took his own life, was on the team.
事实上，最近刚自杀的加里·古德尔（Gary Guidell）也在团队中。
And he was a good guy, Gary.
加里，他是个好人。
So I think that's another reason why guys are feeling a little bit vulnerable at this point.
所以我认为这是人们此时感到有点脆弱的另一个原因。
Because Gary was a regular joe.
因为加里是个普通人。
He didn't show any signs of hurting any more than any one of us.
他没有表现出任何比我们任何人都受伤的迹象。
So that stirred up a lot of fright in a lot of-- in myself.
所以这激起了我自己很多人的恐惧。
I can speak for myself, but I'm sure I can speak for others, that what happened to Gary is everybody's biggest fear right now, to take your own life.
我可以为自己说话，但我确信我可以为其他人说话，加里发生的事情是每个人现在最大的恐惧，自杀。
Thank you so much for allowing us to be photographed.
非常感谢您允许我们拍照。
You make us very proud.
你让我们非常自豪。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Man Guys, let's go-- you guys have signed the paper, right?
伙计们，我们走吧——你们已经在文件上签字了，对吧？
You got it.
你明白了。
Ira Glass Sal Princiatta.
艾拉·格拉斯·萨尔·普林西亚塔。
His story was produced with Beth Landau, David van Taylor, and Allie Pomeroy at Lumiere Productions in New York.
他的故事由纽约 Lumiere Productions 的 Beth Landau、David van Taylor 和 Allie Pomeroy 共同制作。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "LONELY MAN" BY ELVIS PRESLEY]
[音乐播放 - 猫王埃尔维斯·普雷斯利的《孤独的人》]
Act Three, What It Takes to Tromp Through the Desert.
第三幕，如何穿越沙漠。
So Moses was this great leader who brought the Israelites out of Egypt.
所以摩西是一位伟大的领袖，带领以色列人离开埃及。
One of the things the Bible says about him is that he was not much of a talker.
圣经对他的评价之一是他不太爱说话。
Whenever he had to give a big speech or tell Pharaoh to let his people go, he would bring along his brother, Aaron, to do the talking for him.
每当他需要发表重要讲话或要求法老放他的人民离开时，他都会带着他的兄弟亚伦来为他讲话。
This is the story of somebody who's something like that.
这是一个类似的人的故事。
Al Jurczynski is the middleman who is leading hundreds of people who live in New York City to the promised land of Schenectady, New York.
阿尔·尤尔钦斯基 (Al Jurczynski) 是一位中间人，他带领数百名居住在纽约市的人们前往纽约州斯克内克塔迪的应许之地。
And as he would tell you himself, what makes him good at his job is, he is just a normal guy.
正如他自己告诉你的那样，他之所以擅长工作是因为他只是一个普通人。
No flashy speeches.
没有华丽的演讲。
You aren't dazzled by charisma when you meet him.
当你见到他时，你不会被他的魅力所迷惑。
But you trust him.
但你信任他。
Enough people trust him that he's accomplishing a very unlikely mission.
有足够多的人相信他，他正在完成一项非常不可能的任务。
Most of the people who he's convinced to move from the Bronx and Queens are people who immigrated there from the South American country of Guyana.
他说服的大多数从布朗克斯和皇后区搬来的人都是从南美国家圭亚那移民到那里的。
These are people whose ancestors mostly came from India and Africa, moving to an old Rust Belt town of white ethnics.
这些人的祖先大多来自印度和非洲，搬到了一个古老的铁锈地带白人城镇。
Our producer, Wendy Dorr, went to watch him work.
我们的制片人温迪·多尔（Wendy Dorr）去看了他的工作。
Mayor Jurczynski is the sort of politician who's great at talking with old ladies or small businessmen, or really with anybody, for about a minute and a half.
尤尔钦斯基市长是一位非常擅长与老太太或小商人，或者任何人交谈大约一分半钟的政客。
But after that, after his opening lines, he goes into this patter.
但在那之后，在他的开场白之后，他就开始这样喋喋不休。
If you hang around him for more than a few hours, you hear the same lines over and over.
如果你在他身边待了几个小时以上，你就会一遍又一遍地听到同样的台词。
There are awkward jokes.
有一些尴尬的笑话。
But he's making such an effort that you kind of forgive him anything.
但他如此努力以至于你可以原谅他任何事情。
Here he is, showing a busload of Guyanese New Yorkers around Schenectady.
他正在带领一车圭亚那纽约客游览斯克内克塔迪。
But you know, there's people, Guyanese people, that have come here.
但你知道，有人，圭亚那人，来到了这里。
And they said, "I've been to Schenectady.
他们说：“我去过斯克内克塔迪。
It's a little too slow for me.
对我来说有点太慢了。
I like the fast pace of New York City." So that's understandable.
我喜欢纽约市的快节奏。”所以这是可以理解的。
And I like to tell people that come up here on the bus that if you like traffic jams, you should stay in New York City.
我想告诉乘公共汽车来这里的人们，如果你喜欢交通堵塞，你应该留在纽约市。
That was a joke.
那是个笑话。
You know, my jokes are getting pretty old.
你知道，我的笑话已经很老了。
[LAUGHTER] I know one thing.
[笑声]我知道一件事。
Whenever I run out of things to say when I'm talking to Guyanese people, all I got to do is mention cricket.
每当我与圭亚那人交谈时无话可说时，我所要做的就是提到板球。
And then everybody starts talking.
然后每个人都开始说话。
He looks around the bus.
他环视公共汽车。
Nobody starts talking.
没有人开始说话。
In 1995, when he first ran for mayor, Schenectady was going through the same kinds of pains as lots of Rust Belt cities.
1995 年，当斯克内克塔迪第一次竞选市长时，他正经历着与许多铁锈地带城市一样的痛苦。
The biggest employer, General Electric, had downsized from 40,000 employees to just a few thousand.
最大的雇主通用电气 (General Electric) 将员工人数从 40,000 人减少到了几千人。
Tens of thousands of people had moved away, or were forced to retire.
数以万计的人搬走了，或者被迫退休。
For a while, Al Jurczynski had this idea to lure Hasidic Jews to Schenectady.
有一段时间，阿尔·尤尔钦斯基（Al Jurczynski）萌生了将哈西德派犹太人引诱到斯克内克塔迪的想法。
He wanted to repopulate certain problem neighborhoods with a group that was self-reliant, family-oriented, and tightly knit.
他希望在某些有问题的社区重新安置一群自力更生、以家庭为导向、团结紧密的群体。
That idea went nowhere.
这个想法毫无结果。
But then last year, some Guyanese people came to him for help getting an abandoned church for religious services.
但去年，一些圭亚那人向他求助，寻求一座废弃教堂用于宗教仪式。
Well, we talked.
嗯，我们聊过。
And I talked about public assistance.
我谈到了公共援助。
And we had had quite a problem with a lot of people coming up from New York City that were not coming up here to work, but were getting on public assistance.
我们遇到了一个很大的问题，很多来自纽约市的人并不是来这里工作，而是接受公共援助。
A lot of them were doing things that we didn't want them to do, namely get involved in the drug trade.
他们中的很多人正在做我们不希望他们做的事情，即参与毒品交易。
And they made it very clear, right up front, within probably the first 5 or 10 minutes that I met with them, that they don't believe in public assistance unless it's absolutely necessary.
他们在我与他们会面的前 5 到 10 分钟内就明确表示，除非绝对必要，否则他们不相信公共援助。
But it's against their culture to get on public assistance.
但寻求公共援助有悖于他们的文化。
And I heard that.
我听到了。
I was extremely impressed by that.
我对此印象非常深刻。
It was just so wonderful and so refreshing.
这真是太美妙了，太令人耳目一新了。
And at that point, that's when I really I started to really embrace them.
那时，我才真正开始真正拥抱他们。
Thanks, folks, you're in tune to Herman Singh Showtime.
谢谢，伙计们，你们正在收听赫尔曼·辛格表演时间。
It's 93.5 FM on your dial.
您的拨号盘上显示的是 93.5 FM。
It's now 20 minutes before 11:00 AM.
现在距离上午 11:00 还剩 20 分钟。
And that's where Herman Singh comes in.
这就是赫尔曼·辛格发挥作用的地方。
He's a realtor slash mortgage broker slash weekly radio host down in New York City, in the Queens neighborhood where most Guyanese live.
他是纽约市的一名房地产经纪人削减抵押贷款经纪人削减每周广播主持人，在大多数圭亚那人居住的皇后区附近。
It was his bright idea to bus Guyanese up to Schenectady every Saturday, to encourage them to buy houses up there.
他的好主意是每周六让圭亚那人乘巴士前往斯克内克塔迪，鼓励他们在那里买房。
He pays for the buses himself, and promotes the trip like crazy on his weekly real estate slash music program, Herman Singh Showtime.
他自己支付公交车费，并在他的每周房地产音乐节目 Herman Singh Showtime 上疯狂宣传这次旅行。
If you're planning to purchase a property in Schenectady, our next trip is actually going up to Schenectady on Saturday.
如果您计划在斯克内克塔迪购买房产，我们的下一次旅行实际上是周六前往斯克内克塔迪。
And room with friends, if you are selling your property--
和朋友一起住的房间，如果你要卖掉你的财产——
At the beginning of the mayor's initiative to bring Guyanese to Schenectady five months ago, the mayor went on Herman's radio show and gave out his personal cell phone number on the air, a political gesture he explains this way.
五个月前，市长开始倡议将圭亚那人带到斯克内克塔迪，市长参加了赫尔曼的广播节目，并在广播中透露了他的个人手机号码，他这样解释这是一种政治姿态。
I have free incoming calls.
我有免费来电。
So if I was paying for the incoming calls, I wouldn't have done it.
因此，如果我为来电付费，我就不会这样做。
And I'd do it again.
我会再做一次。
He gives me a sheepish look, and then blurts--
他羞涩地看了我一眼，然后脱口而出——
857-4000, area code 518.
857-4000，区号 518。
If you want to buy a home in Schenectady, give me a call.
如果您想在斯克内克塔迪买房，请给我打电话。
One Saturday in December, I schlep out to Queens at 6:30 in the morning to take the bus tour myself.
12 月的一个星期六，我早上 6:30 乘车前往皇后区，亲自乘坐巴士游览。
And while two dozen of us wait for the bus to arrive, I meet Ali Latif.
当我们两打人等待公共汽车到达时，我遇到了阿里·拉蒂夫。
He's 60 years old, and he's been living in the Bronx with his wife for the last 14 years.
他今年 60 岁，过去 14 年一直与妻子住在布朗克斯。
His black hair is perfectly parted on one side.
他的黑发完美地偏向一侧。
And he's wearing a clean Oxford shirt buttoned to the collar.
他穿着一件干净的牛津衬衫，扣子一直扣到领子上。
He tells me that he works as a doorman in Manhattan.
他告诉我他在曼哈顿当门卫。
And since he had to miss a day of work to come on the trip, and because he missed the bus by five minutes the week before, the trip is actually costing him $260.
由于他必须缺席一天的工作才能参加这次旅行，而且前一周他比公共汽车晚了 5 分钟，所以这次旅行实际上花费了他 260 美元。
To be sure he doesn't miss the bus again, he's been waiting here since 5:30 this morning.
为了确保他不会再错过公共汽车，他从今天早上5点30分就一直在这里等车。
And when he starts talking about why he's thinking of moving to Schenectady, he repeats over and over, his voice raised, pointing his long, thin finger at my nose, that he's not on a joy ride.
当他开始谈论为什么他想搬到斯克内克塔迪时，他一遍又一遍地重复，他提高了声音，用细长的手指指着我的鼻子，他并没有在快乐的旅途中。
He's a serious businessman, looking for an opportunity.
他是一个认真的商人，正在寻找机会。
So I lose two day's pay just to go check this place out.
所以我就为了去看看这个地方而损失了两天的工资。
It means that I'm not joking.
这意味着我不是在开玩笑。
$260 are losing, right?
260 美元正在损失，对吗？
I am going here on business.
我来这里出差。
I am personally going here on business.
我个人是来这里出差的。
I am a serious chap.
我是一个认真的人。
That is what I'm saying.
这就是我所说的。
I don't make joke with business.
我不会拿生意开玩笑。
It's a three-hour bus ride to Schenectady.
乘坐巴士前往斯克内克塔迪需要三个小时。
And when we pull into town, it's not pretty.
当我们驶进城里时，情况并不美好。
We pass abandoned gas stations and empty store fronts and ugly, rundown apartment buildings.
我们经过废弃的加油站、空荡荡的店面和丑陋破旧的公寓楼。
And then, in the middle of nothing, is City Hall.
然后，在一片虚无之中，就是市政厅。
And City Hall is spectacular, obviously just renovated with gleaming marble, the kind of old government building that's so beautiful, that the thought crosses your mind, "Maybe I should work in government."
市政厅很壮观，显然刚刚用闪闪发光的大理石翻新过，那种古老的政府建筑非常漂亮，你会想到“也许我应该在政府工作。”
And there, lined up in front as our bus pulls up, are a chorus of clean, perky white men in multi-colored golf shirts.
当我们的巴士停下来时，在前面排着队的是一群干净、活泼、穿着彩色高尔夫球衫的白人。
It's a long way, isn't it?
路还很长，不是吗？
We've got beautiful weather for you here today, if nothing else, huh?
如果没有别的事的话，今天我们这里的天气很好，对吧？
Good morning.
早上好。
You have a nice ride up?
你上山愉快吗？
These are the important guys with the food, right?
这些是食物的重要人物，对吗？
Come on up.
上来吧。
We are led like little, sleepy sheep into an intimidating-looking room with leather chairs lining the perimeter.
我们像昏昏欲睡的小绵羊一样被带进一个看起来很吓人的房间，周围摆着皮椅。
Everybody looks a little scared.
每个人看起来都有点害怕。
Ali, the serious businessman who is not on a joy ride, picks a seat close to the front.
阿里是一位严肃的商人，他并不在旅途中，他选了一个靠近前排的座位。
Good morning.
早上好。
I want to welcome you.
我想欢迎你。
It's my job to talk a little bit about the general economy, the history of Schenectady.
我的工作是谈谈斯克内克塔迪的整体经济和历史。
Schenectady was founded about 300 years ago as a Dutch trading settlement.
斯克内克塔迪大约 300 年前作为荷兰贸易定居点而建立。
This speech, by the city's Director of Economic Development, pretty much sets the tone for what's to follow all day, mind-numbingly boring facts, which go on and on and on, peppered with the kinds of utterly sincere-sounding appeals that you almost never hear from any government official, anywhere.
该市经济发展总监的这篇演讲几乎为接下来一整天的内容定下了基调，令人麻木的无聊事实，不断不断，充满了听起来完全真诚的呼吁，你几乎从未从任何地方的任何政府官员那里听到过这种呼吁。
--because quite frankly, you're a great opportunity for us.
——因为坦率地说，你对我们来说是一个很好的机会。
And please know that we want you and need you.
请知道我们想要你并且需要你。
And so we hope you find us as much of an opportunity as we find you.
因此，我们希望您为我们提供的机会与我们为您提供的机会一样多。
One by one, the men take the stage, the head of the Chamber of Commerce, a state legislator, the president of one of the local hospitals, and the guy who owns the Goodyear Family Tire Center.
这些人一一走上台，其中有商会会长、州议员、当地一家医院的院长，还有固特异家庭轮胎中心的老板。
So it truly is a very, very exciting time to be a small person in downtown Schenectady.
因此，对于斯克内克塔迪市中心的一个小人物来说，这确实是一个非常非常激动人心的时刻。
The Guyanese seem to find all of this captivating.
圭亚那人似乎对这一切都很着迷。
A few of them are taking notes, and everyone is alert and attentive.
有几个人在做笔记，每个人都很警惕、专注。
Ali explains to me later, they're immigrants.
阿里后来向我解释说，他们是移民。
No official of the United States government has ever courted them like this.
从来没有哪个美国政府官员像这样向他们示好。
They didn't welcome me in that way when I reached America in 1988.
1988 年我到达美国时，他们并没有以那样的方式欢迎我。
They didn't tell me anything about, I welcome you because you're a hard-working man, Guyanese people.
他们没有告诉我任何关于我欢迎你的事情，因为你是一个勤劳的圭亚那人。
But Schenectady actually, Schenectady is crying for help.
但斯克内克塔迪实际上，斯克内克塔迪正在呼救。
And the only people who can put Schenectady back on its foot is the Guyanese people.
唯一能让斯克内克塔迪重新站起来的人是圭亚那人民。
It's true.
这是真的。
It's not false.
这并不假。
They're hard-working, and they're going to make it if they're going to put back the city on its foot.
他们工作勤奋，如果他们想让这座城市重新站起来，他们就会成功。
Which brings us to Mayor Al, who orchestrated this whole morning to get them to see it this way.
这让我们想到了艾尔市长，他精心策划了整个早上，让他们这样看待这件事。
He's the last speaker.
他是最后一位发言者。
And when he comes on, more than anyone else, he treats the Guyanese like they're special.
当他上场时，他比其他任何人都更加对待圭亚那人，就像他们很特别一样。
He solicits them in a way that seems more genuine.
他以一种看起来更真诚的方式招揽他们。
Just in a couple minutes, I just want to tell you, Schenectady is a beautiful city.
几分钟后，我只想告诉你，斯克内克塔迪是一座美丽的城市。
and I'm going to pass some cards out, too.
我也会分发一些卡片。
If you want to just take one and pass it around.
如果您只想拿一个并传递给其他人。
He hands around a stack of his own business cards, which people seem a little shocked to be getting.
他递上一叠自己的名片，人们收到这些名片似乎有些惊讶。
And then, to make them feel welcome, he says in various ways, I am like you.
然后，为了让他们感到受欢迎，他用各种方式说，我和你一样。
He talks about his own immigrant roots, about how his grandparents came over from Poland, and about how his wife's parents moved to Schenectady from Italy.
他谈到了他自己的移民根源，他的祖父母如何从波兰过来，以及他岳父母如何从意大利搬到斯克内克塔迪。
And there's a lot of similarities between Italians and Guyanese.
意大利人和圭亚那人之间有很多相似之处。
They're very family-oriented.
他们非常注重家庭。
They're very ambitious.
他们非常有野心。
It's not uncommon for the Italians to work the way the Guyanese work.
意大利人像圭亚那人一样工作的情况并不少见。
I think you're a lot like Polish people, my family, in that you're very reserved.
我认为你们很像波兰人，我的家人，因为你们非常保守。
Italians like to argue.
意大利人喜欢争论。
I know because my wife is Italian.
我知道，因为我的妻子是意大利人。
The mayor's bus tour of town takes four hours.
市长乘巴士游览城镇需要四个小时。
He shows us good neighborhoods and bad, the sewage treatment plant and the old GE plant.
他向我们展示了好的社区和坏的社区、污水处理厂和老通用电气工厂。
We even stop at his son's Little League picnic in the park for half an hour, because he promised his wife he'd drop by.
我们甚至在他儿子公园里的少年棒球联盟野餐中停留了半个小时，因为他答应他的妻子他会顺便过来。
Hey, Tom.
嘿，汤姆。
Hey, Tom.
嘿，汤姆。
Wendy Dorr And he's constantly dragging the citizens of Schenectady onto the bus for testimonials.
温迪·多尔（Wendy Dorr） 他经常把斯克内克塔迪的市民拖上公共汽车寻求推荐。
Tom is a city councilman who happened to be working in his front yard.
汤姆是一名市议员，他恰好在自家前院工作。
We also meet Eddie, another city employee, and Jewel, the secretary to the former mayor.
我们还见到了另一位市政府雇员埃迪和前市长的秘书朱厄尔。
And around two hours into the tour, we're driving down a long, narrow street, when Mayor Al spots a Guyanese family outside a house.
旅行大约两个小时后，我们沿着一条又长又窄的街道行驶，这时艾尔市长在一所房子外面发现了一个圭亚那家庭。
I can see the mayor just about restrain himself from pointing excitedly at them.
我看到市长几乎克制住自己，没有兴奋地指着他们。
Well, just tell everybody what you think of Schenectady.
好吧，告诉大家你对斯克内克塔迪的看法。
Very nice place to live.
非常好的居住地。
Wendy Dorr The last stop on the tour is the one that closes the deal for a lot of people.
温迪·多尔 (Wendy Dorr) 巡演的最后一站对很多人来说都是达成交易的地方。
The mayor takes us to his wife's parents' house.
市长带我们去他岳父母家。
Next to a small white ranch home is a huge vegetable garden, with the most beautiful vegetables I think I have ever seen in my life.
一座白色的小牧场住宅旁边是一个巨大的菜园，里面种着我想我一生中见过的最漂亮的蔬菜。
It strikes a chord with everyone.
它引起了每个人的共鸣。
The mayor's in-laws, an elderly Sicilian couple, make a point of greeting each people and shaking their hand.
市长的姻亲是一对西西里老夫妇，他们特意向每个人打招呼并与他们握手。
[INTERPOSING VOICES] They offer us all some homemade wine, and we're all goners, including Rohini and Gandhi Gopi, two New York City public school teachers who were skeptical after the morning presentation.
[插话]他们给我们所有人提供了一些自制的葡萄酒，我们都走了，包括罗希尼和甘地·戈皮，两位纽约市公立学校的老师，他们在早上的演讲后表示怀疑。
When I see this, it reminds me of my own vegetable garden.
看到这个，我想起了我自己的菜园。
And to my mind, this is the best part of the trip.
在我看来，这是这次旅行中最好的部分。
So now, how are you feeling about Schenectady?
那么现在，您对斯克内克塔迪感觉如何？
More and more positive.
越来越积极了。
Gandhi Gopi We want to get, we want to start making steps, if we could talk to somebody today about certain steps of making a move.
甘地·戈皮（Gandhi Gopi） 如果我们今天能与某人谈论采取行动的某些步骤，我们想要得到，我们想要开始采取行动。
We stand around in the driveway, drinking sweet white wine out of plastic cups.
我们站在车道上，用塑料杯喝着甜白葡萄酒。
When I check in on Ali, he's unbuttoned the top button of his shirt and feeling a little tipsy, and making plans to buy a house plus an empty lot next door.
当我查看阿里的情况时，他解开了衬衫最上面的纽扣，感觉有点醉，并计划买一栋房子和隔壁的一块空地。
It's a month after the bus trip, and I'm back up in Schenectady.
巴士旅行一个月后，我回到了斯克内克塔迪。
There's an old bar called Sark's in Hamilton Hill, which is the neighborhood that the mayor wants all the Guyanese to move to.
汉密尔顿山有一家名为 Sark's 的老酒吧，市长希望所有圭亚那人都搬到这个社区。
You could say it's the worst neighborhood in the city, or you could say it's where the best house bargains are, depending on your point of view.
你可以说这是城里最差的社区，也可以说这是最便宜的房子，这取决于你的观点。
When you drive through it, it seems like a third of the houses are boarded up, a sketchy enough place that people in the bar are kind of surprised that I would be walking in there alone.
当你开车经过它时，似乎有三分之一的房子都用木板封起来，这是一个简陋的地方，酒吧里的人对我一个人走进去感到有点惊讶。
I talk to a guy named Rod Smith.
我和一个名叫罗德·史密斯的人交谈过。
He's a carpenter, and he grew up here.
他是一名木匠，他在这里长大。
And though he and his friends don't think much of the mayor, they like this one initiative.
尽管他和他的朋友们不太看重市长，但他们喜欢这一举措。
Nearly everyone I meet in Schenectady likes it.
几乎我在斯克内克塔迪遇到的每个人都喜欢它。
Anything to upgrade this community would be 100%.
任何升级这个社区的事情都是100%的。
Schenectady is in the dumper right now.
斯克内克塔迪现在在自卸车里。
I can't make from my car to my front door, which is 15 feet away, without somebody trying to sell me something.
我无法从车里走到 15 英尺外的前门，否则就会有人试图向我推销东西。
I have people running up and down in front of my windows all night long, selling drugs and other things.
有人整夜在我的窗前跑来跑去，贩卖毒品和其他东西。
I got a guy standing outside of my front door, trying to sell drugs.
我发现一个人站在我家前门外，试图贩卖毒品。
And he thinks that I'm pulling over to buy something from him.
他以为我停车是想从他那里买东西。
And I said "I live here.
我说：“我住在这里。
Get away from my front door." Next thing I know, they're going to be coming through it.
离开我的前门。”接下来我知道，他们将会渡过难关。
I don't want that.
我不想要这样。
All the Guyanese believe it's safer in Schenectady than in New York City.
所有圭亚那人都认为斯克内克塔迪比纽约市更安全。
But they're moving to the worst neighborhood in town, and the crime stats aren't encouraging.
但他们要搬到镇上最糟糕的社区，而且犯罪统计数据并不令人鼓舞。
In the year 2000, Schenectady county had half the violent crimes per capita than Queens county had.
2000 年，斯克内克塔迪县的人均暴力犯罪率是皇后县的一半。
But there were so many property crimes that overall, Schenectady had much higher crime rates per capita than Queens.
但财产犯罪如此之多，总体而言，斯克内克塔迪的人均犯罪率比皇后区高得多。
Not that this makes much difference to the Guyanese I talk to.
这对与我交谈的圭亚那人来说并没有多大区别。
Whenever I ask them about the difficulties of moving, how dangerous the neighborhood is, the availability of jobs, the fact that Schenectady gets 60 inches of snow a year, so they're not going to actually get that much time in their gardens, they shrug it off.
每当我问他们搬家的困难、社区有多危险、是否有工作机会、斯克内克塔迪每年有 60 英寸的积雪，所以他们实际上不会有那么多时间呆在花园里，他们都耸耸肩。
They say what I imagine immigrants to this city have always said.
他们说的是我想象中这个城市的移民总是说的话。
They say they're ready to sacrifice, which is one reason the mayor's pitch seems to work so well.
他们说他们已经准备好做出牺牲，这也是市长的宣传似乎如此有效的原因之一。
He doesn't tell them it's going to be easy in Schenectady.
他没有告诉他们在斯克内克塔迪会很容易。
He makes it clear it's going to be hard, and they're going to have to work hard.
他明确表示这将很困难，他们必须努力工作。
And they all tell me, that's exactly what they're prepared to do.
他们都告诉我，这正是他们准备做的。
This house, look at it.
这个房子，你看一下。
The driveway is very wide.
车道很宽。
Right?
正确的？
It's very spacious, wide.
非常宽敞、宽阔。
It's not choked up--
没有被噎住——
When I catch up with Ali, he shows me a Polaroid of the yellow house he now owns in Schenectady.
当我追上阿里时，他给我看了一张他现在在斯克内克塔迪拥有的黄色房子的宝丽来照片。
Two weeks after our bus trip, he took another day off from work, bought a $70 bus ticket, and went up to see some houses.
我们乘坐巴士旅行两周后，他又请了一天假，买了一张 70 美元的巴士票，然后上去看了一些房子。
He liked this one immediately.
他立刻就喜欢上了这个。
He didn't have the place inspected or do any more research about Schenectady or the neighborhood.
他没有检查这个地方，也没有对斯克内克塔迪或附近地区进行更多研究。
And compared to prices in New York City, it was a steal.
与纽约市的价格相比，这是一个便宜的价格。
He paid $55,000, all cash.
他支付了 55,000 美元，全部是现金。
It's a two-family house, and there are two tenants in the building.
这是一栋两户人家的房子，大楼里有两个房客。
The tenants are section eight, which means that the government pays a large portion of the rent.
租户属于第八区，这意味着政府支付很大一部分租金。
He'll rent it out for two years, and then he'll move to Schenectady to retire.
他将把它出租两年，然后搬到斯克内克塔迪退休。
He's put his faith and his life savings into this plan.
他将自己的信念和一生的积蓄投入到这个计划中。
And it was all because of the mayor, he tells me, the way the mayor treated him.
他告诉我，这一切都是因为市长对待他的方式。
I think one, why I'm going to live here, I can approach him.
我想一，为什么我要住在这里，我可以接近他。
That's a most important factor.
这是一个最重要的因素。
I can't go approach Mr. Bush and Rudy Giuliani and the governor.
我不能去接近布什先生、鲁迪·朱利安尼和州长。
I can't well meet them.
我不能很好地见到他们。
It's hard to reach them.
很难接触到他们。
But I can reach, if I live in Schenectady, I could go and reach the mayor.
但我可以联系到，如果我住在斯克内克塔迪，我可以联系到市长。
And I am sure they would listen to me.
我相信他们会听我的。
These are people that are from Guyana originally--
这些人最初来自圭亚那——
Again, Mayor Al.
再说一遍，艾尔市长。
Al Jurczynski --but for the last 10 or 15 years, have been in New York City.
Al Jurczynski——但在过去的 10 或 15 年里，一直在纽约市。
And in New York City, they revere the office of mayor.
在纽约市，他们尊敬市长职位。
The mayor of New York City is an international figure.
纽约市市长是一位国际人物。
So when they come here, oftentimes they'll say, "I've never shaken the hand of a mayor before." And I go along with that.
所以当他们来到这里时，常常会说：“我以前从来没有握过市长的手。”我同意这一点。
I let them think that I'm bigger than life.
我让他们认为我比生命更伟大。
He says this is completely different from the way his regular constituents greet him.
他说这与他的普通选民问候他的方式完全不同。
It's a hard, blue-collar city, he says.
他说，这是一个艰苦的蓝领城市。
The old residents don't put the mayor up on a pedestal.
老居民并不把市长捧上神坛。
Only the new residents do that, which is a mixed blessing for him, since he's not the sort of person who feels very comfortable on a pedestal.
只有新居民才会这样做，这对他来说是一件喜忧参半的事情，因为他不是那种在高高在上的人感到很舒服的人。
Wendy Dorr.
温迪·多尔.
As best as anybody knows, there were about 1,000 Guyanese in Schenectady before the mayor started his initiative in May.
众所周知，在市长 5 月份发起这项倡议之前，斯克内克塔迪大约有 1,000 名圭亚那人。
And according to mortgage brokers, perhaps 200 families, maybe 1,000 people have moved since then.
据抵押贷款经纪人称，自那时以来，大约有 200 个家庭、大约 1,000 人搬家了。
The mayor's goal is to triple the Guyanese community to 3,000 people by the end of the year.
市长的目标是到今年年底将圭亚那社区人口增加两倍，达到 3,000 人。
His long-term goal is a little more ambitious, 35,000 people by the end of three years, a huge increase for a city of 60,000.
他的长期目标更加雄心勃勃，三年内人口达到 35,000 人，对于一个拥有 60,000 人的城市来说这是一个巨大的增长。
So far it's a small enough change that everybody that Wendy talked to in Schenectady, even in the neighborhood that is most affected, told her they did not notice a change yet.
到目前为止，这是一个足够小的变化，温迪在斯克内克塔迪交谈过的每个人，甚至是受影响最严重的社区，都告诉她他们还没有注意到变化。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "MOSES SUPPOSES" BY GENE KELLY AND DONALD O'CONNOR]
[音乐播放 - 吉恩·凯利和唐纳德·奥康纳的《摩西假设》]
Well, our program was produced today by Wendy Dorr and myself with Alex Blumberg, Jonathan Goldstein, Starlee Kine, and Mr. Chris Neary.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由温迪·多尔（Wendy Dorr）和我本人以及亚历克斯·布隆伯格（Alex Blumberg）、乔纳森·戈德斯坦（Jonathan Goldstein）、斯塔利·凯恩（Starlee Kine）和克里斯·尼尔里（Chris Neary）先生制作的。
Senior producer Julie Snyder.
高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德。
Elizabeth Meister runs our website.
伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。
Production help from Todd Bachmann and Jane Golembiski.
托德·巴赫曼 (Todd Bachmann) 和简·戈伦比斯基 (Jane Golembiski) 为制作提供帮助。
Music help today from Agoraphone.
今天由 Agoraphone 提供音乐帮助。
Our website, where you can listen to our programs for free or order tapes, www.thisamericanlife.org.
您可以在我们的网站 www.thisamericanlife.org 上免费收听我们的节目或订购磁带。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who would like to thank all the listeners who recently pledged.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 负责监督，他要感谢所有最近承诺的听众。
I did make it a rule to see how much money they had in their wallet.
我确实制定了一项规则，看看他们钱包里有多少钱。
And I was going to take all of it.
我打算接受这一切。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "MOSES SUPPOSES" BY GENE KELLY AND DONALD O'CONNOR]
[音乐播放 - 吉恩·凯利和唐纳德·奥康纳的《摩西假设》]
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。