203: Recordings for Someone - This American Life
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00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 203 集 | 2021 年 10 月 8 日 203：为某人录制的录音 注：《This American Life》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
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如果可以的话，我们强烈建议您收听音频，其中包括页面上没有的情感和重点。
Transcripts are generated using a combination of speech recognition software and human transcribers, and may contain errors.
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Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print.
请在印刷版引用前检查相应的音频。
Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, distributed by Public Radio International.
序言 Ira Glass 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，这就是美国生活，由国际公共广播电台发行。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Here is a recording you weren't meant to hear.
这是一段你不该听到的录音。
A guy from New York, a percussionist, went to perform in this opera in Italy.
一个来自纽约的打击乐手去意大利演出了这部歌剧。
While he was there he met this woman, who was a graduate student, who was writing about the opera for her thesis.
当他在那里时，他遇到了这位女士，她是一名研究生，正在为她的论文撰写有关歌剧的文章。
She took him on a tour of Rome on the back of her scooter.
她骑着摩托车带他游览罗马。
He met her friends.
他遇见了她的朋友。
They hung out.
他们出去玩。
One thing led to another.
一件事导致了另一件事。
They had this week together.
他们一起度过了这一周。
And when he got home to New York, he didn't want it to be over.
当他回到纽约的家中时，他不想结束。
So he made her these tapes.
所以他给她制作了这些磁带。
It's scary.
太可怕了。
It's scary how much I'm thinking of you.
可怕的是我对你的思念之深。
But it's good.
但这很好。
It makes me happy.
这让我很高兴。
Even if you're not here, I feel happy to think about you and to know that you're existing somewhere.
即使你不在这里，我也会很高兴想到你并知道你存在于某个地方。
When you're really love and other people overhear you, I think it's hard not to sound a little over the top.
当你真的很爱并且其他人无意中听到你的声音时，我认为很难不听起来有点过分。
That's what I like about these recordings.
这就是我喜欢这些录音的原因。
The feeling in them is so direct.
他们的感觉是那么的直接。
And so today we're going to try something completely different on our radio show.
所以今天我们将在广播节目中尝试一些完全不同的东西。
Every story on the show is made out of tapes like this one.
节目中的每个故事都是由像这样的磁带制成的。
Every story is made from tapes that were intended for an audience of one.
每个故事都是由供一位观众观看的磁带制作而成。
Someone somewhere made somebody else a tape.
有人在某个地方给别人制作了一盘磁带。
We listen in, all of us.
我们所有人都在倾听。
I have to say, it's kind of an amazing show because of that.
我不得不说，因此这是一场令人惊叹的演出。
Act One, we hear the greatest phone message in the world, the absolute greatest.
第一幕，我们听到了世界上最伟大的电话留言，绝对是最伟大的。
Act Two, we have a special effects story.
第二幕，我们有一个特效故事。
In that act, we use the power of audio technology to turn someone who stutters into someone who no longer stutters, so he can deliver a message to one man in Idaho.
在那次行动中，我们利用音频技术的力量将口吃的人变成不再口吃的人，这样他就可以向爱达荷州的一个人传递信息。
Act Three, a war story.
第三幕，战争故事。
In fact, the story of a soldier in the first Persian Gulf War who made tapes for his wife during battles, until he accidentally recorded this incident, this violent incident that haunted him for years.
事实上，第一次波斯湾战争中一名士兵在战斗中为妻子录制录音带的故事，直到他不小心录下了这件事，这起暴力事件困扰了他多年。
And Act Four, a love story.
第四幕，一个爱情故事。
In that act we return to the guy who you just heard from a minute ago, a man trying to sustain a relationship that spans oceans, all with a little cassette tape.
在那一幕中，我们回到了你刚才听到的那个人，一个试图用一盘小磁带来维持跨越海洋的关系的人。
And so without further ado, let us turn now to Act One.
言归正传，让我们现在转向第一幕。
This Act One is the story of the greatest phone message of all time.
第一幕讲述了有史以来最伟大的电话留言的故事。
Some people see it that way anyway.
无论如何，有些人就是这么看的。
You may judge for yourself.
你可以自己判断。
A quick warning that there is one famously nasty word in this story that occurs exactly seven times.
快速警告一下，这个故事中有一个众所周知的令人讨厌的词，它出现了七次。
Count them yourself.
你自己数一下吧。
But do not worry.
但不用担心。
We beep the word every single time.
我们每次都会发出这个词。
Producer Jonathan Goldstein tells the tale.
制片人乔纳森·戈德斯坦讲述了这个故事。
The first thing you should know about my friend Josh is that he calls me a bitch squealer.
关于我的朋友乔什，你应该知道的第一件事就是他称我为“婊子尖叫者”。
Now bitch isn't the bad word you're going to be hearing in this story.
现在，“婊子”并不是你在这个故事中听到的坏词。
And that's because it's referring to an actual dog, a fenced in security dog that barked at me and Josh while we were out walking one night.
那是因为它指的是一只真正的狗，一只用栅栏围起来的保安狗，有一天晚上我们出去散步时，它对我和乔希吠叫。
And while my scream may have been louder that evening, Josh's scream was definitely higher pitched, which to my mind means Josh should rightfully be called the bitch squealer, while perhaps I should be called something like bitch bellower or bitch loud crier.
虽然那天晚上我的尖叫声可能更大，但乔什的尖叫声肯定更高，在我看来，这意味着乔什应该被正确地称为“母狗尖叫者”，而也许我应该被称为“母狗咆哮者”或“母狗大声哭泣者”。
Just the same, quit your bitch squealing is what Josh says to me when I ask him to please change the station on the car radio or to stop crowding the armrest in the movie theater.
同样，当我请乔什改变汽车收音机上的电台或不要再挤在电影院的扶手上时，乔什对我说的是，别再尖叫了。
The other thing to know about Josh is that he thinks of himself as an idea man.
关于乔什的另一件事是，他认为自己是一个有创意的人。
And he always refers to his ideas as pure gold.
他总是称自己的想法为纯金。
So a few years ago, when I first started doing stories on the radio, I would call him up and ask him if he had any story ideas.
所以几年前，当我第一次开始在广播里做故事时，我会给他打电话，问他是否有任何故事想法。
And he always did.
他总是这样做。
The thing was, most of them involved hot dog eating contests and all-nude car washes.
问题是，其中大多数都涉及吃热狗比赛和全裸洗车。
One time Josh talked to a French-Canadian waitress who used the words diggy do as a conjunctive phrase, as in, my mother, she gave birth to me in Lac Saint-Louis, and diggy do, I'm in Montreal.
有一次，乔什和一位法裔加拿大女服务员交谈，她用“diggy do”作为连词，比如“我的母亲，她在圣路易斯湖生下了我”，而“diggy do”，我在蒙特利尔。
Josh tried to convince me that this semantically innovative young woman was most definitely worthy of a 40 minute interview on national radio.
乔什试图让我相信，这位语义创新的年轻女性绝对值得接受国家广播电台 40 分钟的采访。
Just the other day, Josh was telling me about this really funny phone message that he heard back in his college days, and how I should definitely do a radio show about that.
就在前几天，乔什告诉我他在大学时代听到的一条非常有趣的电话留言，以及我绝对应该为此做一个广播节目。
He swore to me that it was the defining moment in his class' campus life that year.
他向我发誓，这是他班当年校园生活的决定性时刻。
Now how is a person supposed to believe something like that?
现在一个人怎么会相信这样的事情呢？
I can imagine you really liking this message.
我可以想象你真的很喜欢这条消息。
Oh, I see.
我懂了。
I see.
我懂了。
Jonathan Goldstein But you see, I can't imagine it being the kind of thing that was like--
乔纳森·戈尔茨坦但是你看，我无法想象它会是这样的——
That your sedate NPR audience would appreciate?
你那冷静的 NPR 观众会欣赏吗？
No, no, no. I mean it sounds like you got a kick out of it at the time.
不，不，不。我的意思是，听起来你当时很高兴。
But I can't imagine it being like an atomic bomb that hit the campus or something.
但我无法想象它会像一颗原子弹袭击校园什么的。
Yeah.
是的。
See, this is clearly another example of the failure of your imagination.
看，这显然是你想象力失败的又一个例子。
How many times have I given you ideas that you have nay said?
有多少次我给了你一些你不曾说过的想法？
How many times have I given you gold standard ideas--
我给过你多少次黄金标准的想法——
Josh yells at me a lot, especially when he thinks I'm not taking his ideas seriously.
乔什经常对我大喊大叫，尤其是当他认为我没有认真对待他的想法时。
When we go out to eat, he yells at me loud enough to make the other patrons turn around and look at us.
当我们出去吃饭时，他对我大喊大叫，声音大到让其他顾客转过头来看着我们。
Sometimes though, he'll get all unexpectedly silent, and just stare out the restaurant window, and then turn to me and say something like, wouldn't life be better if there was a big old pig sitting out there by the fire hydrant?
但有时，他会出人意料地沉默，只是盯着餐厅窗外，然后转向我说一些类似的话，如果消防栓旁有一头大老猪，生活不是会更好吗？
Why can't life be more like that?
为什么生活不能更像这样呢？
But anyway, to get back to the phone message, the one Josh heard in college, I'm telling you about it not to demonstrate what a slightly misguided colorful character Josh is, but to chart with honesty the unfairness of my pre-emptive bitch squeals of doubt.
但无论如何，回到乔什在大学时听到的那条电话留言，我告诉你这件事并不是为了证明乔什是一个有点被误导的多彩人物，而是为了诚实地描述我先发制人的母狗怀疑的尖叫声的不公平性。
I went to Columbia University in the early '90s, OK?
我九十年代初去了哥伦比亚大学，好吗？
Late '80s, early '90s.
80 年代末、90 年代初。
When I was there, they had this phone system-- I'll just give you a little bit of background, all right?
当我在那里的时候，他们有这个电话系统——我只给你一些背景知识，好吗？
And then I'll cut to the chase.
然后我就切入主题了。
They has this system there called the Rolm system, Rolm phone system, R-O-L-M.
他们有这个系统，称为 Rolm 系统、Rolm 电话系统、R-O-L-M。
And you could forward messages to people.
您可以将消息转发给人们。
You could forward messages to everyone on campus if you wanted.
如果您愿意，您可以将消息转发给校园里的每个人。
Sort of like a precursor to the internet.
有点像互联网的先驱。
Yes, like a precursor to the internet.
是的，就像互联网的先驱一样。
Thank you, Mr. Current Affairs Guy.
谢谢你，时事盖伊先生。
So it was an amazing utility.
所以这是一个了不起的实用程序。
People could forward all kinds of crazy messages.
人们可以转发各种疯狂的消息。
So one day, there was this guy named Fred.
有一天，有一个名叫弗雷德的人。
And his mother left him a message on his answering machine.
他的母亲在答录机上给他留言。
And he forwarded it to maybe one or more of his friends.
他将其转发给了他的一位或多位朋友。
And his friends turned around and did a Brutus, and they stabbed him in the back.
他的朋友们转身做了布鲁图斯的事，他们在他背后捅了一刀。
And they forwarded this message across campus to everyone.
他们将这条消息转发给整个校园的每个人。
So do you want to hear the message?
那么你想听听这条消息吗？
All right.
好的。
So he prefaced it by saying--
所以他在开头说——
I do not have the message.
我没有消息。
I have the message in my head.
我脑子里有这个信息。
I am telling you a story.
我给你讲一个故事。
All right?
好的？
OK.
好的。
Josh All right.
乔什 好吧。
So he prefaced it by some kind of a sad little lead in.
所以他以某种悲伤的小引导作为序言。
In a little voice, he was like, I think you'd would appreciate hearing this message from my mother.
他用很小的声音说，我想你会很高兴听到我母亲的这条消息。
And then the message played.
然后播放了消息。
This was the entirety of the message.
这就是消息的全部内容。
And I'm going to do the voice for you as best I can.
我将尽我所能为你配音。
You ready?
你准备好了吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Josh Oh, sorry.
乔什哦，对不起。
More background.
更多背景。
Apparently he was not a hit with the ladies, Fred.
显然他不受女士们欢迎，弗雷德。
This is what I was led to understand.
这就是我被引导去理解的。
I'm not sure if this is true or not.
我不确定这是否属实。
But he had managed to score a date to go see The Little Mermaid, of all movies.
但他还是成功约到了去看电影《小美人鱼》的约会对象。
The Little Mermaid.
小美人鱼。
OK?
好的？
So this is the message his own mother, his blood relation, leaves for him.
这就是他的母亲，他的血亲，留给他的信息。
And I quote, "You and The Little Mermaid can both go [BLEEP] yourselves.
我引述道：“你和小美人鱼都可以自己去[哔]。
The books you wanted, they're not here.
你想要的书，这里不存在。
They must be in La Jolla.
他们一定在拉霍亚。
I'm not going to wait up all night for you.
我不会整夜等你。
Goodbye." That's the entirety of it.
再见。”这就是全部内容。
All right?
好的？
Yeah.
是的。
That's the message that his mother left him?
这就是他母亲留给他的信息？
That's correct.
这是正确的。
You catch that part?
你明白那部分了吗？
"You and The Little Mermaid can both go [BLEEP] yourselves." I love you, son.
“你和小美人鱼都可以自己去[哔]。”我爱你，儿子。
That's gold.
那是金子。
And then-- no, hold on.
然后——不，等等。
Are you going to listen?
你要听吗？
Yes.
是的。
Josh Then somebody took it-- some evil mix-meister genius took it and remixed it into a 12 inch dance version.
乔希 然后有人拿走了它——一些邪恶的混音大师天才拿走了它，并将其重新混音成 12 英寸的舞蹈版本。
"You and The Little Mermaid, La Jolla, La Jolla, [BLEEP] yourselves, [BLEEP] yourselves.
“你和小美人鱼，拉霍亚，拉霍亚，[哔]你们自己，[哔]你们自己。
They're not here, the books.
他们不在这里，书。
Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.
再见，再见，再见，再见。
And there are other people who remember it?
还有其他人还记得吗？
Are you even listening to a word I just told you?
我刚才跟你说的一句话你都在听吗？
This was the The Producers of its day, OK?
这就是当时的制作人，好吗？
Everyone heard about it.
每个人都听说过这件事。
Everyone knew it.
每个人都知道。
Everyone had an opinion about it.
每个人对此都有自己的看法。
Every single person who attended Columbia that year, I guarantee you they would know what I'm talking about.
那一年参加哥伦比亚大学的每个人，我向你保证他们都会知道我在说什么。
I still didn't believe him.
我还是不相信他。
But just for the hell of it, I phoned the Columbia alumni magazine to see if there was anyone there who might remember anything about the Little Mermaid message.
但为了它，我打电话给哥伦比亚校友杂志，看看那里是否有人还记得有关小美人鱼的消息。
I ended up speaking to someone who not only attended Columbia in the early '90s and remembered the message, but just like Josh had, he actually quoted it to me, the whole message.
我最终与一个人交谈，他不仅在 90 年代初就读于哥伦比亚大学并记住了这条信息，而且就像乔什一样，他实际上向我引用了它，整个信息。
"You and The Little Mermaid can both go [BLEEP] yourselves.
“你和小美人鱼都可以自己去[哔]。
I can't find the books.
我找不到书了。
They must be in La Jolla.
他们一定在拉霍亚。
I'm not going to wait up all night for you.
我不会整夜等你。
Goodbye." The guy then became so excited at the thought of someone doing serious research about the message that he offered to use the Columbia database to look up every Fred that might have graduated around that time.
再见。”一想到有人对这条消息进行认真的研究，这个家伙就变得非常兴奋，他提出使用哥伦比亚数据库来查找当时可能毕业的每一个弗雷德。
No matter how long it took, he said, it would be worth it if I could track down some recording of the message and allow him to hear it again.
他说，无论花多长时间，如果我能找到一些消息录音并让他再次听到，那就值得了。
[PHONE DIALING] I called other Columbia students from that period.
[电话拨号] 我给那个时期的其他哥伦比亚大学学生打电话。
And every one of them reacted the same way to the message, like this guy Ben Feldman, now an entertainment lawyer.
他们每个人都对这条信息做出了同样的反应，就像这个人本·费尔德曼（Ben Feldman），现在是一名娱乐律师。
Yes.
是的。
Jonathan Goldstein I have two words for you, little mermaid.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 我有两个词要对你说，小美人鱼。
This is the funniest call I've ever received.
这是我接到过的最有趣的电话。
Well, you and The Little Mermaid can go to hell.
好吧，你和小美人鱼可以下地狱了。
A few days later, Josh called me back.
几天后，乔什给我回了电话。
He had found out Fred's last name from his older brother, who it turns out graduated the same year as Fred.
他从他哥哥那里得知了弗雷德的姓氏，而他的哥哥与弗雷德同年毕业。
Josh said that Fred's last name was Schultz.
乔什说弗雷德的姓是舒尔茨。
And I told Josh that this was great news.
我告诉乔什这是个好消息。
And Josh told me to shut my squeal hole, which I did.
乔什让我闭上我的尖叫孔，我照做了。
So I called Fred Schultz.
所以我打电话给弗莱德·舒尔茨。
And it turns out that he had recorded the original message and still had a copy of it, a copy which I am now going to play for you.
事实证明，他已经录制了原始消息，并且还保留了一份副本，我现在要为您播放一份副本。
Remember, this is a phone message that was forwarded from one person to the next, each person re-prefacing the previous prefaces as it made its way from one voice mail message box to the next.
请记住，这是一条从一个人转发到另一个人的电话消息，每个人在从一个语音邮件消息箱发送到下一个语音邮件消息箱时都会重新编写之前的序言。
Recieved at 4:20 PM Friday.
周五下午 4:20 收到。
Woman 1 Guys, I have never heard a phone mail message like this one.
女人 1 伙计们，我从来没有听过这样的电话留言。
Listen to the first person.
听第一个人说。
You are going to die.
你快要死了。
No seriously, this is the funniest one of all of them.
不认真的，这是其中最有趣的一个。
All right, here it is-- Jonathan Goldstein These giddy introductory messages continue for two and 1/2 minutes, each one revving up the impending drama, acting as a kind of stage curtain that opens onto another curtain, and yet another one still, each one teasing you with the tantalizing proximity of the main stage about to be bathed in the spotlight.
好吧，就在这里——乔纳森·戈德斯坦（Jonathan Goldstein） 这些令人眼花缭乱的介绍性信息持续了两又 1/2 分钟，每一条都让即将到来的戏剧加速，充当一种舞台幕布，打开另一幕，又是另一幕，每一条都以即将沐浴在聚光灯下的主舞台的诱人距离来逗弄你。
OK, I've gotten like 95 phone mail messages in the last two days, but this is the funniest.
好吧，过去两天我收到了大约 95 封电话邮件，但这是最有趣的。
This is going to blow you away.
这会让你大吃一惊。
This makes the other ones look like chopped liver.
这使得其他的看起来像切碎的肝脏。
And then finally the chain of deferral ends with the very first forwarded student's solemn pronouncement.
最后，延迟链最终以第一个转发的学生的庄严声明结束。
There comes a time in life when we hear the greatest phone mail message of all time.
生命中总会有这样的时刻，我们会听到有史以来最伟大的电话留言。
And well, here it is.
好吧，就在这里。
You have to hear it to believe it.
你必须听到它才能相信它。
I thought you'd get a kick out of this message from my mother.
我以为你会因为我母亲的这条消息而感到高兴。
Hi, Fred.
嗨，弗雷德。
You and The Little Mermaid can go [BLEEP] yourselves.
你和小美人鱼可以自己去[哔]。
I told you to stay near the phone.
我告诉过你要靠近电话。
I can't find those books.
我找不到那些书。
You have other books here.
你这里还有其他的书。
It must be in La Jolla.
一定是在拉霍亚。
Call me back.
给我回电话。
I'm not going to stay up all night for you.
我不会为你彻夜不眠。
Goodbye.
再见。
These days, Fred Schultz lives in Venice Beach, California.
如今，弗雷德·舒尔茨住在加利福尼亚州威尼斯海滩。
He plays in a band, he skateboards, and he pretty much seems happy.
他在乐队里演奏，玩滑板，而且他看起来很快乐。
When he sent me the recording of the Little Mermaid message, he also included burnt incense and a CD of his band's soundtrack for a film about cannibalism called Eat Me.
当他向我发送小美人鱼消息的录音时，他还附上了烧香和一张他的乐队为一部名为《吃我》的食人电影配乐的 CD。
Here's a clip.
这是一个剪辑。
[MUSIC - "EAT ME"]
[音乐-“吃我”]
Fred is the kind of guy who, when the subject gets on to future plans, will tell you he's thinking pretty seriously about moving onto a boat.
弗雷德是那种当话题谈到未来计划时，他会告诉你他正在认真考虑搬上船的事情。
When I ask him about the phone message from his mom, he says that from the moment he got it, he knew he was sitting on something big.
当我问他关于他妈妈的电话留言时，他说，从他收到这条电话留言的那一刻起，他就知道自己正坐在一件大事上。
The question then became, what was he going to do with it?
接下来的问题是，他打算用它做什么？
I did sit down and stress and think about it for like an hour or two.
我确实坐下来承受压力并思考了大约一两个小时。
I debated whether to send the message out to anyone.
我犹豫是否要把这条消息发送给任何人。
And then I sat down and listened to music, and just thought about it, re-listening to the message and just thinking, should I send this along or just let it die, kill it, hit erase.
然后我坐下来听音乐，然后思考，重新听消息，然后思考，我应该发送这个消息还是让它死掉，杀死它，点击删除。
But Fred decided not to hit erase.
但弗雷德决定不点击擦除。
And he explains his mother's cryptic message this way.
他这样解释了他母亲的神秘信息。
He had called looking for an old school notebook.
他打电话来寻找一本旧的学校笔记本。
She said she'd search for it, but only if he'd wait by the phone while she did this special favor for him.
她说她会寻找它，但前提是当她为他做这个特别的事时，他会在电话旁等待。
But did he stay by the phone?
但他一直在打电话吗？
No, he did not.
不，他没有。
As for The Little Mermaid, this was the one thing Josh was completely wrong about.
至于小美人鱼，这是乔什完全错误的一件事。
My whole life, I have had a thing about mermaids-- and dolphins, but mermaids.
我一生都对美人鱼很感兴趣——还有海豚，但只是美人鱼。
When you love mermaids that much-- and dolphins-- you don't keep that to yourself.
当你如此喜爱美人鱼和海豚时，你就不会把它藏在心里。
My outgoing message, first it had Ariel from The Little Mermaid singing "Part of Your World," singing like, "part of your world.
我发出的信息，首先是小美人鱼的爱丽儿唱着“你的世界的一部分”，唱得就像“你的世界的一部分”。
What would I give if I could live out of these waters?" And then I jump on and say, hi, please leave a message for me and The Little Mermaid.
如果我能离开这些水域，我会付出什么？”然后我跳上来说，嗨，请给我和小美人鱼留言。
And then you hear beep.
然后您会听到蜂鸣声。
Now put yourself in his mother's shoes.
现在设身处地为他母亲着想。
To hear Joan Schultz, Fred's mom, tell the story, that outgoing message was like a call to arms.
听到弗雷德的妈妈琼·舒尔茨讲述这个故事，这条传出的信息就像是战斗的号令。
I hear The Little Mermaid music.
我听到小美人鱼的音乐。
And he said, sorry I can't answer you now.
他说，抱歉我现在不能回答你。
Please leave a message for me and The Little Mermaid.
请给我和小美人鱼留言。
Well, that's all I had to hear.
嗯，这就是我所听到的。
I was so infuriated and so incensed, that without even thinking-- and I never ever say this word-- I said, Fred, you and The Little Mermaid can both go [BLEEP] yourselves.
我非常愤怒，非常愤怒，以至于想都没想——我从来没有说过这个词——我说，弗雷德，你和小美人鱼都可以自己去[哔]。
And I slammed the phone down.
然后我就摔断了电话。
So late that night, studying in his dorm room for finals, Fred finally decides to forward the message to his friend Jeff.
那天深夜，弗雷德在宿舍里学习期末考试，最终决定将这条消息转发给他的朋友杰夫。
Then Fred goes to bed.
然后弗雷德上床睡觉。
And by the next morning, he wakes up to discover, that just like one of those guys in one of those movies, his life has suddenly become forever changed.
第二天早上，他醒来发现，就像其中一部电影中的那些人一样，他的生活突然发生了永远的改变。
My message machine was blinking that all 10 messages that it accepts are filled.
我的消息机器正在闪烁，表明它接受的所有 10 条消息均已填满。
They were all filled with people-- like chains of 20-- it had already gone around to say each chain had hit 20 or 30 people.
里面都挤满了人——就像20人的连锁店——已经有传言说每条连锁店都有20或30人了。
How many people heard it over the course of the night?
一晚上有多少人听到了？
Hundreds had already heard it in the middle of the night.
半夜已有数百人听到了这首歌。
Like four hours.
好像四个小时。
Jonathan Goldstein What was then to follow for the Schultzes was nothing short of campus-wide celebrityhood.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 接下来，舒尔茨夫妇在校园内名声大噪。
Women ran up to Fred and hugged him.
女人们跑到弗雷德身边拥抱他。
Men envied him for his ability to inspire that much raw transparent hostility in his mother.
人们嫉妒他能够激起他母亲如此明显的敌意。
The phone message was so popular that, like a hit TV show, it spawned spin-offs.
电话留言如此受欢迎，就像热门电视节目一样，它催生了衍生剧。
Other messages circulated with people commenting on the original.
其他消息也随着人们对原始消息的评论而流传。
As a history major, I think we've got to put this into a class struggle perspective.
作为一名历史专业的学生，我认为我们必须从阶级斗争的角度来看待这个问题。
His mother represents--
他的母亲代表——
From a political science standpoint, I would say that both Fred and his mother are products of the political system.
从政治学的角度来看，我想说弗雷德和他的母亲都是政治制度的产物。
I feel that Mrs. Schultz's sexual desire for her son, Fred, is manifest.
我觉得舒尔茨夫人对她儿子弗雷德的性欲是显而易见的。
And Josh was even right about the dance remix version of the message.
乔什对于该消息的舞蹈混音版的看法甚至是正确的。
You and The Little Mermaid can go [BLEEP] yourselves.
你和小美人鱼可以自己去[哔]。
The Little Mermaid can go [BLEEP] yourselves, yourselves, mother, mother.
小美人鱼可以[哔]自己，自己，妈妈，妈妈。
Although no official at Columbia could confirm this next claim, virtually everyone I spoke to who graduated Fred's year remembers this as a point of fact.
尽管哥伦比亚大学的任何官员都无法证实这一说法，但几乎所有与弗雷德同年级毕业的人都记得这一事实。
The popularity of the Little Mermaid yielded message threads that were too long for the new voice mail technology to handle.
小美人鱼的流行产生的消息线程太长，新的语音邮件技术无法处理。
And so the messaging service for the whole of Columbia crashed.
于是整个哥伦比亚的消息服务崩溃了。
It goes further still.
它还更进一步。
Fred's mother's message went on to become the most crowd-pleasing musical number from the year-end Varsity Show, a time-honored all-male production that goes back to Columbia alumni Rodgers and Hammerstein in the early 1900s.
弗雷德母亲的信息后来成为年终大学表演中最受观众欢迎的音乐节目，这是一场历史悠久的全男性作品，可以追溯到 1900 年代初哥伦比亚大学校友罗杰斯和汉默斯坦。
The choreographed routine involved a kick line of hairy-legged men in seashell brassieres and mermaid tails.
精心设计的表演包括穿着贝壳胸罩和美人鱼尾巴的毛腿男人的踢腿线。
Steve Nadick, the show's lyricist, dug out the words and favored me with a few select lines.
该剧的作词人史蒂夫·纳迪克（Steve Nadick）找出了歌词，并为我挑选了几句台词。
Oh, here it is.
哦，在这里。
Look at that.
看看那个。
But I don't even know if this is the final wording, because I see some handwritten notes on the side.
但我什至不知道这是否是最终的措辞，因为我看到旁边有一些手写的注释。
It starts off, "We beautiful creatures inhabit the sea.
它的开头是：“我们美丽的生物栖息在海洋中。
Fish-women, frolicking frivolously.
鱼女们，轻浮地嬉戏。
Although no one said that we'd have to enjoy-a, it still could be worse.
虽然没有人说我们必须享受-a，但情况仍然可能更糟。
We might be in La Jolla." And we sang "in La Jolla" as Handel's "Messiah." "So it's time to decide what you might want to do.
我们可能在拉霍亚。”我们在“在拉霍亚”唱了亨德尔的《弥赛亚》。“所以是时候决定你可能想做什么了。
We're not going to wait up all night for you.
我们不会整夜等你。
Goodbye."
再见。”
As even the most casual viewer of VH1's Behind the Music knows, fame like this doesn't come without a price.
即使是 VH1 的《音乐背后》的最普通观众也知道，这样的名声并不是没有代价的。
When Fred's mother came to New York for her son's graduation, she experienced the darker side of super stardom.
当弗雷德的母亲来到纽约参加儿子的毕业典礼时，她经历了超级明星的阴暗面。
On Broadway, in restaurants, in the shops there they would say things like, that's Fred's mother.
在百老汇，在餐馆，在商店里，他们会说，那是弗雷德的母亲。
That's the Little Mermaid.
那就是小美人鱼。
And I was mortified.
我感到羞愧。
Wherever we were, people would point and laugh and snicker.
无论我们在哪里，人们都会指指点点、大笑、窃笑。
So she just made it her job, at that point, to just walk up to any random group of people, and just start saying, you don't understand.
所以那时她就把它当作自己的工作，走到任何随机的一群人面前，然后开始说，你不明白。
I never use the F word.
我从不使用F这个词。
He provoked me.
他挑衅了我。
He provoked me.
他挑衅了我。
So she felt that that was her responsibility, to clear her name, to at least let them know she never curses.
所以她觉得这是她的责任，为自己正名，至少让他们知道她从不骂人。
Before my message came along, the funniest message they had sent around was something like other kids' mothers begging them not to forget to use their rubbers in the rainy season.
在我的信息发出之前，他们发送的最有趣的信息就像其他孩子的母亲恳求他们不要忘记在雨季使用橡胶。
Here's an example of what Joan Schultz is talking about, one of those feel good homesy messages.
这是琼·舒尔茨正在谈论的一个例子，其中一个让人感觉很好的温馨信息。
This is a message from Huey Hockman's grandparents, making sure he was taking care of his cold.
这是休伊·霍克曼（Huey Hockman）的祖父母发来的信息，确保他正在治疗感冒。
Huey, we heard you have a cold, darling.
休伊，我们听说你感冒了，亲爱的。
We called to see how you feel.
我们打电话来看看你的感受。
Yeah.
是的。
Huey's Grandmother And to tell you we love you.
休伊的祖母 告诉你我们爱你。
Yeah.
是的。
Huey's Grandmother That's all.
休伊的祖母仅此而已。
We hope you're OK, darling.
我们希望你一切都好，亲爱的。
Yeah, me too.
是的，我也是。
Huey's Grandmother Good night.
休伊的祖母晚安。
Good night.
晚安。
Joan Schultz Mine was so far and above that that they won't even go back to the old one.
琼·舒尔茨（Joan Schultz）我的已经远远超出了他们甚至不会回到旧的。
Do you take a certain level of pride in that?
你对此感到一定程度的自豪吗？
The Little Mermaid message was everything Josh said that it was.
小美人鱼的信息就是乔希所说的一切。
And now that I spoke with everyone about its glory, there was really only one more person left to talk to.
现在我和大家谈论了它的荣耀，实际上只剩下一个人可以说话了。
What do you want?
你想要什么？
Jonathan Goldstein I made some calls to Columbia.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦 我给哥伦比亚大学打了一些电话。
I spoke to some people who went to school the same time that you did.
我采访了一些和你同时上学的人。
Yes, I did.
是的，我做到了。
And diggy do, you were right.
迪基确实这么做了，你是对的。
It was all true.
这一切都是真的。
The message made a great impact.
该消息产生了很大影响。
Wow, thanks John.
哇，谢谢约翰。
Listen, what a bastard you are.
听着，你真是个混蛋。
I gave you gold.
我给了你金子。
Don't you understand?
你不明白吗？
But anyway, you are missing the point that what I'm saying is that I apologize, because you are right.
但无论如何，你忽略了我所说的是我道歉的一点，因为你是对的。
I am going to read to you a piece of the script that I've written that I'm thinking I might actually end this whole story with, because I want to get some of your feedback.
我将向你们读一段我写的剧本，我想我可能会用它来结束整个故事，因为我想得到你们的一些反馈。
OK?
可以吗？
Oh, I'm ready.
哦，我准备好了。
Jonathan Goldstein I would say something to the effect of, "and so a recording intended for one person unintentionally became the beloved property of thousands.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦（Jonathan Goldstein）我想说的是，“因此，一份为一个人准备的录音无意间成为了数千人心爱的财产。
And in so happening, the message went from being what might have been considered a rather tragic personal artifact that spoke of dysfunction to becoming a triumph of contemporary American humor.
在这种情况下，这个信息从可能被认为是一个相当悲惨的个人产物，讲述了功能障碍，变成了当代美国幽默的胜利。
What is that?
那是什么？
That's public radio wussy talk.
那是公共广播电台的废话。
Be a man.
做一个男人。
No, a part of that whole statement is that I'm actually saying to you, you were right and I was wrong.
不，整个声明的一部分是我实际上是在对你说，你是对的，我是错的。
All right.
好的。
Whatever.
任何。
If you want to talk that fancy talk, you do your thing.
如果你想谈论那些奇特的话题，你就做你的事吧。
But don't drag me into your serious voice nonsense.
但别把我拖入你严肃的胡言乱语之中。
And you get to speak in this stentorian tone, like, and then America laughed at this inadvertent piece of comedy.
你可以用这种洪亮的语气说话，然后美国人就会嘲笑这段不经意的喜剧。
I'm John Goldstein.
我是约翰·戈德斯坦。
Jonathan Goldstein broadcasts his bitch squeals these days as host of the CBC's program Wire Tap, which you can hear on some public radio stations in this country and also find on the internet.
乔纳森·戈德斯坦（Jonathan Goldstein）最近作为 CBC 节目 Wire Tap 的主持人，广播了他的母狗尖叫声，您可以在这个国家的一些公共广播电台听到该节目，也可以在互联网上找到该节目。
His friend Josh is a regular contributor to the show.
他的朋友乔什是该节目的定期撰稿人。
Act two, Special Effects Story.
第二幕，特效故事。
When this story was recorded, Kevin Murphy was a college student in Idaho.
当这个故事被记录时，凯文·墨菲是爱达荷州的一名大学生。
And normally, if he was moderately relaxed, he talked like this.
通常情况下，如果他适度放松的话，他就会这样说话。
Not too long ago, a few of my friends and I were hanging out in my dorm room, watching TV.
不久前，我和几个朋友在宿舍里闲逛，看电视。
But using the editing gear that we use to edit all of the sound on our radio show, we can take out the stutters, the pauses, the repeats.
但是，使用我们用来编辑广播节目中所有声音的编辑设备，我们可以消除口吃、停顿和重复。
We can make Kevin sound different from how he has ever talked in his life.
我们可以让凯文听起来不同于他一生中说话的方式。
So he sounds like this.
所以他听起来是这样的。
Not too long ago, a few of my friends and I were hanging out in my dorm room, watching TV.
不久前，我和几个朋友在宿舍里闲逛，看电视。
Kevin was interested in using this powerful technology to record a message for one man at one business who has been bothering him.
凯文有兴趣使用这项强大的技术为一家企业中一直困扰他的人记录一条消息。
Here it is.
这里是。
This recording is for the Pizza Pipeline in Moscow, Idaho.
这段录音是为爱达荷州莫斯科的披萨管道录制的。
Not too long ago, a few of my friends and I were hanging out in my dorm room, watching TV.
不久前，我和几个朋友在宿舍里闲逛，看电视。
Same old stuff, nothing new.
还是老东西，没什么新意。
As college students, when hunger calls, we call for pizza.
作为大学生，当饥饿召唤时，我们会要求吃披萨。
I pick up the phone behind me.
我拿起身后的电话。
I've got the coupon book out.
我已经把优惠券本拿出来了。
I decide to go for the $10.99 special, drinks and crazy bread included.
我决定选择 10.99 美元的特价，包括饮料和疯狂面包。
I dial the number.
我拨通号码。
This is when the beast takes over.
这就是野兽接管的时候。
Anxiety climbs with every ring of the phone.
每一次电话铃声响起，焦虑感都会加剧。
This is what I feel whenever I have to call you up, Mr. Pizza Man.
这就是每当我给你打电话时我的感受，披萨先生。
I've dealt with my stutter every second of my life.
我一生中每一秒都在与口吃作斗争。
Is it too much to ask for you to deal with it for a couple of minutes?
要求你花几分钟处理这件事是不是太过分了？
You interrupt, you cut me off, you speak as if I am this nuisance to your day.
你打断我，打断我，你说话的语气就好像我对你来说是个麻烦。
Well, today I've saved you this inconvenience.
好吧，今天我就省去了你的麻烦。
I've edited out all my stutters and pauses to make it easier for you.
我已经删除了所有的口吃和停顿，以方便您阅读。
That is what you want, isn't it?
这就是你想要的，不是吗？
When my anxiety has reached its peak by the third ring, I hear you bellow, hello.
当铃声第三次响起时，我的焦虑达到了顶峰，我听到你在吼叫，你好。
I attempt to respond, but nothing comes out.
我试图回应，但什么也没说出来。
This is the most difficult point in a phone call for stutterers, getting past the point of being a suspected prank caller.
对于口吃者来说，这是打电话中最困难的一点，要超越被怀疑是恶作剧者的地步。
Hello, you say again, impatiently.
你好，你又不耐烦地说了一遍。
I still can't get a sound out.
我还是发不出声音。
Please don't hang up on me.
请不要挂断我的电话。
Please stay with me.
请留在我身边。
This it finally pops out, my name is Kevin, and I stutter.
终于弹出来了，我叫凯文，我结巴了。
I would like the $10.99 special with pepperoni.
我想要 10.99 美元的特价意大利辣香肠。
There's no response.
没有回应。
I fear I've lost you.
我担心我已经失去你了。
Are you there, I ask.
我问，你在吗？
My friends act as though paying attention to the TV.
我的朋友们表现得好像在看电视。
You finally respond, yeah.
你终于回应了，是啊。
Thank God, I think, I got him, hook, line, and sinker.
感谢上帝，我想，我得到了他、钩子、线和坠子。
From here on out, all I have got to do is reel him in.
从现在开始，我要做的就是把他拉进去。
But then you ask what kind of drinks we want.
但后来你问我们想要什么样的饮料。
Oh no, I didn't even think of this.
哦不，我什至没有想到这一点。
Now I've got to tell you to hold on.
现在我必须告诉你坚持住。
That has an H sound in it.
里面有H音。
I hate H's.
我讨厌H。
They are always a killer.
他们永远是杀手。
They start but do not end.
他们开始但没有结束。
They drain my lungs' air capacity.
它们耗尽了我肺部的空气容量。
But I finally get it out and ask everyone what kind of drinks they want.
但最后我还是拿出来问大家想要什么饮料。
All Cokes.
都是可乐。
That's easy enough.
这很容易。
Oh, no. Oh, no. I don't have any cash.
哦，不。哦，不。我没有现金。
This means I am going to have to put it on my bank card.
这意味着我必须将其存入我的银行卡上。
That is one heck of a lot of numbers.
这是一个很大的数字。
I break the bad news to you.
我向你通报这个坏消息。
And I can hear the oh crap in the silence of your voice.
我能在你沉默的声音中听到糟糕的声音。
You carry on with this curt annoyed voice.
你继续用这种简短而恼怒的声音。
You obviously couldn't be bothered by such a nuisance.
显然你不会被这样的麻烦事所困扰。
To think I would have the nerve to call you and waste so much of your valuable time.
没想到我居然还好意思给你打电话，浪费你这么多宝贵的时间。
If you knew what I go through, Mr. Pizza Man, I'm sure you wouldn't act this way.
如果你知道我所经历的事情，披萨先生，我相信你不会这样做。
You know what, Ira?
你知道吗，艾拉？
I don't think this is working.
我认为这不起作用。
Turn off that editing equipment.
关闭编辑设备。
It's not for me.
这不适合我。
Stuttering is a part of my life.
口吃是我生活的一部分。
Without it, I'm not myself.
没有它，我就不是我自己了。
OK.
好的。
You see?
你看？
One thing that makes it tricky about stuttering, Mr. Pizza Man, is when I'm afraid I'm going to stutter, it makes me stutter more.
披萨先生，口吃问题的棘手之处在于，当我担心自己会口吃时，它会让我口吃得更厉害。
So one way I can actually stutter less is by forcing myself to stutter now and then.
因此，我实际上可以减少口吃的一种方法就是强迫自己时不时地口吃。
It relieves the tension.
它缓解了紧张情绪。
So if you can relax, Mr. Pizza Man, and let me stutter, I'll take less of your time.
所以，如果你能放松点，披萨先生，让我结巴一下，我就会少花你的时间。
But I would appreciate a little more consideration.
但我希望多一点考虑。
Sincerely, your loyal customer, Kevin Murphy.
此致，您的忠实客户凯文·墨菲。
Kevin Murphy, from Idaho State University.
凯文·墨菲，来自爱达荷州立大学。
He asks us to mention-- and we're glad to mention-- the National Stuttering Association.
他要求我们提及——我们很高兴提及——全国口吃协会。
He says contacting them changed his life, led him to learn how to handle his stuttering.
他说，与他们的联系改变了他的生活，让他学会了如何处理口吃。
Their web address, www.westutter.org.
他们的网址是 www.westutter.org。
Coming up, people recording love and people recording war.
接下来，人们记录爱情，人们记录战争。
In a minute, from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International when our program continues.
稍后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Most weeks on our program we invite writers and reporters to put together stories on various topics.
在我们的节目中，大多数星期我们都会邀请作家和记者将各种主题的故事放在一起。
Today we are trying something completely different.
今天我们正在尝试一些完全不同的东西。
Every story in the show today is built out of tapes that were made for just one person, not for a national radio audience, recordings made for just one person.
今天节目中的每个故事都是由仅为一个人制作的磁带构建的，而不是为全国广播听众制作的，仅为一个人制作的录音。
We have arrived at Act Three of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第三幕了。
Act Three, War Story.
第三幕，战争故事。
During the first Persian Gulf War, back in 1991, John Brasfield was an Army scout.
1991 年第一次海湾战争期间，约翰·布拉斯菲尔德 (John Brasfield) 是一名陆军侦察兵。
That meant that he and three other guys would drive out ahead of everyone else in their unit.
这意味着他和另外三个人将在他们单位的其他人之前开车出去。
They were in a Humvee, which is light-skinned, no real armor, one big gun on it to defend themselves, and some radio equipment.
他们坐在一辆悍马车里，这辆悍马车是浅色的，没有真正的装甲，上面有一把大枪用来自卫，还有一些无线电设备。
And what they would do is they would drive out, they would spot the enemy, they would call in bombs and troops and tanks on the positions that they spotted.
他们要做的就是驱赶敌人，发现敌人，在发现的阵地召唤炸弹、部队和坦克。
And he took along a little cassette recorder to make tapes for his wife.
他还带了一台小盒式录音机为他的妻子录制磁带。
And I had made the tapes in case I was killed, that my family might know what happened to me in those last few moments, what actually took place.
我制作了这些录音带，以防万一我被杀，这样我的家人可能知道我在最后几分钟发生了什么事，到底发生了什么。
Maybe if I didn't die instantly, I'd be able to say goodbye to them.
也许如果我没有立即死去，我就可以和他们告别了。
I would record any time I thought a significant event was going to take place.
每当我认为将要发生重大事件时，我都会记录下来。
If I felt like we were getting ready to go into a battle or something had already started, I might push the record button, and go ahead and get the tape rolling.
如果我觉得我们正准备投入战斗或某些事情已经开始，我可能会按下录音按钮，然后继续录音。
Well let's go through some of these.
好吧，让我们来看看其中的一些。
Let me ask you to explain what, for example, is happening in this one.
让我请你解释一下，例如，这件事中发生了什么。
You never want to go through this.
你永远不想经历这个。
You never want to go through this.
你永远不想经历这个。
What is this?
这是什么？
Where are we?
我们在哪里？
John Brasfield This was, basically, the first artillery attack that I had sat through.
约翰·布拉斯菲尔德：这基本上是我经历的第一次炮击。
We were sitting under a pretty intense artillery barrage.
我们正处于相当猛烈的炮火之下。
And I was just, basically, telling my wife-- and I had a small son at that time-- that, basically, you never want to go through this type of fighting or conflict.
基本上，我只是告诉我的妻子——当时我有一个小儿子——基本上，你永远不想经历这种类型的战斗或冲突。
It was pretty scary at the time.
当时是非常害怕的。
Now you had trained for this kind of thing.
现在你已经接受了这种事情的训练。
How was actually being in the real thing different from the training?
实际操作与培训有何不同？
Well, they say train as you fight.
嗯，他们说，边打边训练。
And I guess it's a lot louder.
我想声音要大得多。
We had done simulations of this, where they have small TNT chargers that they explode around you while you do your training, but nothing like the real thing coming down and just kind of shaking your nerves up.
我们对此进行了模拟，他们有小型 TNT 充电器，当你进行训练时，它们会在你周围爆炸，但没有什么比真正的东西掉落更能让你紧张的了。
Now you don't really say that much to your wife on most of the tapes.
现在，在大多数录音带中，你并没有对你的妻子说那么多。
Usually, it's just long stretches of bombs going off.
通常，只是长长的炸弹爆炸。
Let me play another one, and ask you to just explain who is talking in this.
让我播放另一首，请您解释一下这首曲子里是谁在说话。
[GUNFIRE]
[枪声]
[BLEEP] John Brasfield I've got my tape recorder on.
[BLEEP] John Brasfield 我已经打开录音机了。
This is one of my friends, Frank Carlson.
这是我的朋友之一，弗兰克·卡尔森。
And we had just moved on to what's called a screen line.
我们刚刚进入所谓的屏幕线。
And it's our job to report any enemy that would come through our position.
我们的工作就是报告任何闯入我们阵地的敌人。
And we were just having a conversation.
我们只是在聊天。
Basically we've stopped, we're resting, having a conversation about some events that had taken place earlier that day.
基本上我们已经停下来休息，谈论当天早些时候发生的一些事件。
I'll tell you what was awesome, was when we were on the road.
我会告诉你什么是很棒的，就是我们在路上的时候。
We stopped, and we fired that [UNINTELLIGIBLE], I almost ran over two guys.
我们停了下来，我们开枪了[无法辨认]，我差点撞倒了两个人。
They were laying on the road.
他们躺在路上。
I didn't see them.
我没有看到他们。
Frank Carlson They were like this.
弗兰克·卡尔森 他们就是这样。
If I hadn't seen them, I would have run over them.
如果我没有看到他们，我就会从他们身上碾过去。
And so in that situation is there just a lot of sitting there and chewing the fat?
那么在这种情况下，是否只是坐在那里咀嚼脂肪呢？
Basically, at that point in time, there was nothing we could do.
基本上，在那个时间点，我们无能为力。
We had put ourselves out in the open.
我们已经把自己暴露在外了。
And we felt about as secure as you could feel in that type of situation.
在这种情况下，我们感到非常安全。
And we were just going about business as normal, waiting for this to all pass by.
我们只是像往常一样做生意，等待这一切过去。
And are there tanks between you and the enemy?
你和敌人之间有坦克吗？
No. No, we were the lead element.
不，不，我们是领头部队。
There would have been us between the tanks and the enemy.
我们就在坦克和敌人之间。
And your weapon, the weapon mounted on your vehicle, could it shoot back at them?
你的武器，安装在你的车辆上的武器，它能向他们开火吗？
Or was it too far away for that particular weapon?
或者对于那个特定的武器来说距离太远了？
No, much too far away.
不，太远了。
Ira Glass And so you're just sitting there without any kind of armor on you, just sitting there waiting.
Ira Glass：所以你就坐在那里，身上没有任何盔甲，只是坐在那里等待。
Sitting out in the middle of the desert, having a conversation, just kind of waiting for the next order to either move forward or call it quits for the night.
坐在沙漠中央，进行交谈，只是等待下一个命令，要么继续前进，要么停止过夜。
That does not sound like a very pleasant job.
这听起来不是一个令人愉快的工作。
It's really hard to relay your combat experiences of what you went through to a person that has not been in that situation before.
向一个以前没有经历过这种情况的人传达你所经历的战斗经历确实很困难。
When you are actually in the battle, you have this immense fear of being killed.
当你真正身处战斗时，你会非常害怕被杀死。
I just felt like-- when I was sitting through those artillery attacks, I just knew at any second one of those artillery rounds was going to land in my lap and kill me.
我只是感觉——当我坐在那些炮火攻击中时，我就知道这些炮弹随时都会落在我的腿上并杀死我。
That is just what it felt like.
这就是感觉。
They are exploding all around you.
它们在你周围爆炸。
And you just have this immense terror that the next one that goes off, you're not even going to know it's there.
你会感到巨大的恐惧，下一个爆炸发生时，你甚至不知道它的存在。
And it's just going to blow you to bits.
它只会把你炸成碎片。
And then you would go in, and you engage these guys that were firing at you, and destroy them.
然后你进去，与那些向你开火的人交战，并摧毁他们。
And you'd be elated.
你会很高兴的。
They died, you didn't.
他们死了，你没有。
You're alive.
你还活着。
All right.
好的。
And then you move on to the next little conflict.
然后你继续下一个小冲突。
And then you'd be back down in the pits of fear, of you're just going to die on this.
然后你会再次陷入恐惧的深渊，你会因此而死。
And then you get through, and you destroy them, and you're elated again.
然后你通过了，你摧毁了它们，你又高兴了。
It was just an emotional roller coaster going through that.
经历这一切就像坐过山车一样。
And about the only people I could really-- besides soldiers that have been in the same situation, would probably be a victim of a violent crime, that has gone through that fear of-- they just know that they're going to die, because that person standing on the other side of the gun is just going to pull the trigger.
我唯一能真正知道的人——除了处于同样情况的士兵之外，可能是暴力犯罪的受害者，经历过那种恐惧——他们只知道自己会死，因为站在枪的另一边的那个人只会扣动扳机。
And then when they make it out of that, the elation that they feel, I am alive.
然后，当他们摆脱困境时，他们感到兴奋，我还活着。
I've come to the conclusion that if you can hear the artillery, you are still alive.
我得出的结论是，如果你能听到炮声，那么你还活着。
The last round you heard, where it kind of shut the tape recorder down, exploded right behind us.
你听到的最后一发子弹就在我们身后爆炸了，它几乎关闭了录音机。
They were just kind of feeling around for us, where we were.
他们只是对我们有感觉，我们在哪里。
And they had us pretty much.
他们几乎拥有我们。
We had been sitting in the same location for a while.
我们已经在同一个位置坐了一段时间了。
Come on.
快点。
Do your [BLEEP] job, artillery.
做好你的[BLEEP]工作，大炮。
Take out their [BLEEP].
拿出他们的[BLEEP]。
I don't [BLEEP] care if you [BLEEP] kill [UNINTELLIGIBLE] [BLEEP] artillery [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
我不[嘟嘟]在乎你是否[嘟嘟]杀死[无法辨认][嘟嘟]大炮[无法辨认]。
Just kill them.
杀了他们就行了。
[BLEEP] kill them.
[哔]杀了他们。
What is it like for you to hear these tapes?
你听这些磁带有什么感觉？
It gives me an adrenaline rush.
它让我肾上腺素激增。
It kind of brings me back to the battle.
这让我想起了战斗。
Sometimes it's more than I really care to think about, because it brings back a lot of aspects that the mind has kind of forgotten, and has done that for a reason.
有时这超出了我真正想考虑的范围，因为它带回了很多大脑已经忘记的方面，并且这样做是有原因的。
I know that that's one reason why you were hesitant to talk to us, that your wife was concerned about you listening back to these tapes and thinking through all this again.
我知道这就是你犹豫是否要与我们交谈的原因之一，你的妻子担心你会重新听这些录音带并重新思考这一切。
For a couple years after the Gulf War, I had trouble sleeping.
海湾战争后的几年里，我一直难以入睡。
And I had nightmares.
我做了噩梦。
And she didn't want that stuff to resurface.
她不想让那些东西再次出现。
Did your wife eventually listen to these tapes that you originally made for her?
你的妻子最终听了你最初为她制作的这些磁带吗？
Could you talk about the impulse that made you want to make the tapes, that you wanted her to have a tape if something would happen to you, a tape of the moment that it happened?
你能谈谈让你想要制作这些磁带的冲动吗？如果你发生什么事，你希望她有一盘磁带，一盘记录事情发生那一刻的磁带？
I think it's tough.
我认为这很难。
As a soldier, I've dealt with friends dying and death.
作为一名士兵，我经历过朋友的临终和死亡。
And I think it's the not knowing of the family members that is the bad thing about it.
我认为家庭成员的不知情才是不好的事情。
Even if what had taken place, even though it wasn't pleasant, that answers a lot of questions.
即使发生了什么事，尽管并不令人愉快，但这也回答了很多问题。
[MILITARY RADIO NOISES] Ira Glass Now on February 27, 1991, you made some recordings.
[军用无线电噪音] Ira Glass 现在，1991 年 2 月 27 日，您录制了一些录音。
Let me just ask you to explain what's going on in this first one.
让我请你解释一下第一个中发生了什么。
Well, what had happened is, we were on a screen line again.
嗯，发生的事情是，我们又出现在银幕线上了。
And our tanks and Bradleys had stopped to refuel.
我们的坦克和布雷德利坦克已经停下来加油。
This is something that happened about every two to two and a half hours.
这种情况大约每两到两个半小时就会发生一次。
We happened to be sitting-- part of us happened to be sitting across a major highway that ran between Basra and Baghdad.
我们碰巧坐在——我们的一部分碰巧坐在巴士拉和巴格达之间的一条主要高速公路对面。
And what was happening is the Iraqi forces were retreating out of Basra to Baghdad.
正在发生的事情是伊拉克军队正在从巴士拉撤退到巴格达。
And we just happened to be right in the middle of it at that point in time.
那时我们恰好处于其中。
And these were vehicles.
这些是车辆。
They were buses, trucks, what we would call light-skinned vehicles, or vehicles that we could engage and destroy very easily.
它们是公共汽车、卡车，我们称之为浅皮车辆，或者我们可以很容易地攻击和摧毁的车辆。
So we could actually stop these vehicles on the road.
所以我们实际上可以在路上拦截这些车辆。
And that is what we started doing.
这就是我们开始做的事情。
And we got to a point of about 200 plus prisoners that we are taking.
我们已经俘虏了大约 200 多名囚犯。
Now the prisoners are just-- they're just sitting there on the ground, basically, in the middle of where this road is this?
现在囚犯们只是——他们只是坐在地上，基本上，在这条路的中间，这是哪里？
Is that the deal?
是这样的吗？
Exactly.
确切地。
We had stopped them on the road, and had taken them out, and we had-- I guess if you want to call it processed them.
我们在路上拦住了他们，把他们带走了，然后我们——我想如果你想称其为“处理过”的话。
We had taken their weapons away from them, and done whatever we needed to do to neutralize them.
我们夺走了他们的武器，并采取了一切必要措施来压制他们。
And they were giving up very easily.
他们很容易放弃。
They had no will to fight left in them.
他们已经没有战斗的意志了。
And when the task force was done-- when they had refueled and re-armed, or whatever they needed to do-- we got the call to go ahead and move out.
当特遣队完成任务后——当他们补充燃料并重新武装，或者完成他们需要做的任何事情时——我们接到了继续出发的电话。
We had communicated the location of the prisoners back to the battalion command net.
我们已将囚犯的位置传回营指挥网。
The problem with this is we have radios on our vehicles, but not everybody has the radio to the same frequency.
问题是我们的车辆上有收音机，但并不是每个人都有相同频率的收音机。
So typically what would happen is the battalion commander would have a battalion command frequency, where he would have his commanders up on that frequency.
因此，通常会发生的情况是，营指挥官会有一个营指挥频率，他会让他的指挥官使用该频率。
Right.
正确的。
So the commander knows everything that you're saying.
所以指挥官知道你说的一切。
He knows.
他知道。
That is correct.
这是正确的。
Basically, we left the prisoners, by themselves, with no weapons, sitting out in the middle of the desert, expecting that the battalion command net would put out that there were prisoners there.
基本上，我们让囚犯们独自一人，没有武器，坐在沙漠中央，期待营指挥网会发布那里有囚犯的消息。
Now I don't know if this was ever put out or not.
现在我不知道这个是否曾经被发布过。
I can't-- but as the infantry moved up and came in the visual range of the prisoners, the infantry began opening fire.
我不能——但是当步兵移动并进入囚犯的视野范围时，步兵开始开火。
Now what you hear on my radio is a call from one of the scouts that was left behind, saying, I hope they know what a Humvee looks like, because he was afraid of being hit by friendly fire.
现在你在我的无线电中听到的是一名留下的侦察兵打来的电话，他说，我希望他们知道悍马车是什么样子，因为他害怕被友军火力击中。
He did.
他做到了。
Yes.
是的。
I never saw the rounds coming down.
我从来没有见过子弹下来。
The lead company right behind us is buying up all those vehicles there.
我们身后的领先公司正在购买那里的所有车辆。
I hope they understand what a Humvee looks like.
我希望他们了解悍马车是什么样子。
Vehicles continue to come down the road.
车辆继续沿着道路行驶。
And instead of processing prisoners-- the Bradleys have quite a bit of range on them-- they were engaging these vehicles and destroying them.
他们没有处理囚犯——布拉德利战车的射程相当远——而是与这些车辆交战并摧毁它们。
It was not a fair fight.
这不是一场公平的战斗。
Why, why are we shooting at these people, when they are not shooting at us?
为什么，为什么我们要向这些人开枪，而他们却没有向我们开枪？
I know.
我知道。
They want to surrender.
他们想投降。
[BLEEP] armored vehicles.
[BLEEP]装甲车。
And they don't have to blow them apart.
他们不必把它们炸得四分五裂。
Now that's you?
现在是你吗？
John Brasfield That was me speaking there.
约翰·布拉斯菲尔德 那是我在讲话。
And I was agreeing with the platoon sergeant, Sergeant Mulek, about these guys want to surrender, we've got armor going up against light-skinned vehicles-- trucks, buses, whatever-- that were carrying people back and forth.
我同意排中士穆莱克中士的观点，关于这些人想要投降，我们有装甲来对抗来回载人的浅色车辆——卡车、公共汽车等等。
I didn't feel that there was any need to be killing these people, because they didn't have any fight left in them.
我觉得没有必要杀掉这些人，因为他们已经没有任何战斗力了。
All we had to do was take prisoners.
我们所要做的就是俘虏。
See those guys toasting the back of that truck?
看到那些在卡车后面敬酒的人了吗？
When we drove by?
我们什么时候开车经过？
Man.
男人。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] They killed a lot of people that didn't have to be killed, because if they would have moved the company up there, everybody would have given up.
[无法理解]他们杀了很多本不该杀的人，因为如果他们把公司搬到那里，每个人都会放弃。
I guarantee you.
我向你保证。
I was talking about the vehicles that were coming down the road.
我说的是路上行驶的车辆。
Vehicles continued to come down the road and I didn't feel that there was any need for the loss of life at that point in time.
路上车辆继续行驶，我觉得当时没有必要造成人员伤亡。
Why?
为什么？
Why?
为什么？
Platoon Sergeant Why do they shoot them?
排长为什么要向他们开枪？
(SUBJECT)JOHN BRASFIELD: They don't have to kill them.
（主题）约翰·布拉斯菲尔德：他们不必杀死他们。
I know.
我知道。
They don't.
他们不这样做。
John Brasfield It's a light-skinned vehicle.
约翰·布拉斯菲尔德 这是一辆浅色车辆。
Now like that one we killed, I understand that.
现在就像我们杀死的那个人一样，我明白了。
That could kill us.
那可能会杀了我们。
Oh yeah they were [BLEEP] running.
哦，是的，他们正在[哔]跑。
They had weapons.
他们有武器。
They had to do that.
他们必须这样做。
That vehicle had to be killed.
那辆车必须被杀死。
But these trucks that are full of people.
但这些卡车满载着人。
They don't have to kill them.
他们不必杀死他们。
No. I felt that, at that point in time, if we would have set up a roadblock, that we could have processed Iraqi prisoners all day.
不，我觉得，当时如果我们设置路障，我们就可以处理伊拉克囚犯一整天。
And there was no need for the unnecessary taking of human life.
也没有必要不必要地夺取人的生命。
What gets me is these guys don't want to fight.
让我困惑的是这些家伙不想打架。
You saw the equipment we blew up.
你看到了我们炸毁的设备。
They could have wasted us.
他们可能浪费了我们。
They were coming down the road.
他们正沿着路过来。
This is X-ray.
这是X射线。
We have got a truck with troops on it, moving down [UNINTELLIGIBLE]
我们有一辆载有部队的卡车，正在向下行驶[无法辨认]
Don't shoot it.
别开枪。
Platoon Sergeant See?
排长看到了吗？
He's telling them to engage.
他告诉他们要参与。
Why don't you tell them, sir, they they are willing to surrender?
先生，你为什么不告诉他们，他们愿意投降？
Tell him that.
告诉他这一点。
Why don't you tell the commander that?
你为什么不告诉指挥官呢？
It's murder.
这是谋杀。
You're on here saying, it's murder.
你在这里说，这是谋杀。
Tell the commander that they are willing to surrender.
告诉指挥官他们愿意投降。
Did anyone tell the commanders that these guys were probably willing to surrender?
有谁告诉指挥官们这些家伙很可能愿意投降吗？
I can't recall if we did or not.
我不记得我们是否这样做了。
I'm sure that the platoon leader did make some reference that these guys didn't have any fight left in them.
我确信排长确实提到过这些人已经没有任何战斗力了。
But I couldn't tell you if that was actually said or not.
但我无法告诉你这是否真的说过。
It just felt like we were doing the wrong thing.
只是感觉我们做错了事。
Now since then, you have had a lot more combat experience.
从那时起，你已经有了更多的战斗经验。
This is still pretty early in your combat career.
这在你的战斗生涯中还处于早期阶段。
Just explain briefly where else you served and where else you saw combat.
只需简要解释一下您还曾在哪里服役以及您还曾在哪里见过战斗。
Well, I was in the Gulf War.
嗯，我参加过海湾战争。
I finished that out.
我把那件事说完了。
And I've also spent time in the Bosnia Kosovo conflict.
我也曾参与波斯尼亚-科索沃冲突。
With the Kosovo conflict, flying military intelligence missions for that.
随着科索沃冲突，飞行军事情报任务。
And with more combat experience, do you feel the same way, that it was wrong for the commanders to just fire on these guys and not try to get them to surrender?
随着更多的战斗经验，你是否也有同样的感觉，指挥官们只向这些人开火而不试图让他们投降是错误的？
No, actually my view has changed quite a bit.
不，实际上我的看法已经发生了很大的变化。
It has done almost a 180.
它几乎已经完成了180度的转变。
And I feel now that what we did was right, that we were not actually murdering people unnecessarily.
现在我觉得我们所做的是正确的，我们实际上并没有不必要地杀人。
We were soldiers, they were soldiers.
我们是士兵，他们也是士兵。
There is risk.
有风险。
They knew what the risk is.
他们知道风险是什么。
People that haven't been exposed, they may listen to those tapes and still feel like it was murder.
没有被曝光的人，听了那些录音带，可能仍然觉得这是谋杀。
As I grew a little bit more battle hardened, I realized there are risks.
随着我的战斗力逐渐增强，我意识到存在风险。
And they were risks that those soldiers were willing to take.
这些都是那些士兵愿意承担的风险。
They were risks I was taking at the same time.
这些是我同时承担的风险。
It could have been me that was killed.
被杀的可能是我。
This particular set of events on February 27, 1991 has gotten a certain amount of press coverage.
1991 年 2 月 27 日发生的这一系列事件得到了一定数量的媒体报道。
Seymour Hersh wrote about it in The New Yorker.
西摩·赫什 (Seymour Hersh) 在《纽约客》上对此进行了报道。
It was on ABC News.
这是美国广播公司新闻报道的。
It has gotten a certain amount of coverage.
已经获得了一定的覆盖范围。
Do you feel like the media's attention to it and the public's attention to it misunderstands it?
您是否觉得媒体对它的关注和公众对它的关注存在误解？
The information that was put out in ABC News and the Hersh article, I think, was kind of one-sided.
我认为美国广播公司新闻和赫什文章中发布的信息有点片面。
They used parts of my tape in the Hersh article.
他们在赫什的文章中使用了我的部分磁带。
And they took the tape out of context to kind of support what I felt was their point of view.
他们断章取义地拿录像带来支持我认为他们的观点。
And they were trying to build a case that American soldiers had killed innocent POWs illegally, and that everybody knew what was going on.
他们试图建立一个案例，证明美国士兵非法杀害无辜战俘，并且每个人都知道发生了什么事。
It's more of a deal if you have another My Lai Massacre during the Gulf War than if you actually say that if prisoners were killed, it was because of lack of communication.
如果在海湾战争期间发生另一场美莱村大屠杀，这比你实际上说如果囚犯被杀是因为缺乏沟通更重要。
It was almost like a friendly fire accident.
这几乎就像一场友军火灾事故。
If they were killed, if they indeed were killed, I imagine it was a communication problem that took place, and that the people that killed them-- they wouldn't have done it intentionally-- did not know that these were prisoners, did not know these people were not armed, and did not know they did not pose a threat.
如果他们被杀了，如果他们确实被杀了，我想这是发生了沟通问题，杀了他们的人——他们不会是故意的——不知道这些人是囚犯，不知道这些人没有武装，也不知道他们没有构成威胁。
The guys who were killing them never got word that these guys weren't armed.
杀害他们的人从未得知这些人没有携带武器。
That's right.
这是正确的。
It's more of a story when we have American soldiers that are renegades out there, intentionally killing enemy prisoners of war.
当我们有叛徒的美国士兵故意杀害敌方战俘时，这更像是一个故事。
And that's not the case.
事实并非如此。
If you sit there, and you listen to the tapes, and you listen to what was going on, there was a lot of confusion on the battlefield.
如果你坐在那里，听录音带，听听正在发生的事情，就会发现战场上有很多混乱。
And there's no proof-- even the scouts, even though they felt like the prisoners could have been killed, or they saw rounds exploding around them, nobody actually saw anybody killed.
没有证据——即使是侦察兵，尽管他们觉得囚犯可能被杀，或者他们看到子弹在他们周围爆炸，但没有人真正看到有人被杀。
John, do you have friends who you served with in these particular fights who still feel like it was wrong to kill those guys?
约翰，你有没有在这些特殊的战斗中与你一起服役的朋友仍然觉得杀死这些人是错误的？
Yes, I do.
是的，我愿意。
And some of these people have a real difficult time-- they just never-- some of them just have this sense of guilt, where they feel like they have killed people unnecessarily, or were part of a team that killed people unnecessarily, and some of what we did was wrong.
其中一些人经历了真正的困难时期——他们只是从来没有——他们中的一些人只是有这种负罪感，他们觉得自己不必要地杀人了，或者是一个不必要地杀人的团队的一员，而我们所做的一些事情是错误的。
I've struggled through that myself.
我自己也曾经历过这样的挣扎。
And I feel what we did was right, and what we did was just, and we did what we had to do.
我觉得我们做的是对的，我们做的是正义的，我们做了我们必须做的事情。
And I've moved on with my life.
我已经继续我的生活了。
I was able to do that because I came to that conclusion.
我之所以能够做到这一点，是因为我得出了这个结论。
If I had felt like I had murdered people on the battlefield, I don't think I could live with myself.
如果我感觉自己在战场上杀人了，我想我无法忍受自己。
I think I would have a lot of stress and grief, and not be able to deal with a lot of issues.
我想我会有很大的压力和悲伤，无法处理很多问题。
I think that's basically what it comes down to.
我认为这基本上就是归根结底的原因。
You've got to either rationalize what you did, or you're going to live with a lot of guilt.
你必须要么为你所做的事情合理化，要么你会带着很多愧疚生活。
When you take a moment and you reflect on it, do you feel like there's a part of you that's rationalizing?
当你花点时间反思一下时，你是否觉得自己的一部分在合理化？
I did my rationalization some time ago.
我前段时间做了我的合理化。
And I've made my decision on what I did was right.
我已经做出了我所做的决定是正确的。
And I stick with it.
我坚持下去。
And I've rationalized at that point.
那时我已经合理化了。
I think you've got to do that so you can live with yourself.
我认为你必须这样做，这样你才能与自己相处。
John Brasfield now has a job as a flight instructor for civilians in Wichita, Kansas.
约翰·布拉斯菲尔德现在在堪萨斯州威奇托担任平民飞行教练。
He is also in the Army Reserve.
他也是陆军预备役军人。
[MUSIC - "THE BATTLE IS OVER (BUT THE WAR GOES ON)," BROWNIE MCGHEE AND SONNY TERRY]
[音乐 - “战斗结束了（但战争仍在继续）”，布朗尼·麦吉和桑尼·特里]
Act Four, Love Story.
第四幕，爱情故事。
Well, let's return to the guy who's recording we heard at the beginning of today's program, the percussionist who met the woman in Italy and had started sending her tapes.
好吧，让我们回到今天节目开始时听到的那个正在录音的人，他是一位打击乐手，他在意大利遇见了这位女士，并开始寄给她的录音带。
His name is David Cossin.
他的名字叫大卫·科辛。
He sent her over a dozen tapes after their week together, trying to convince her to please, please visit him in New York City.
他们在一起一周后，他给她寄了十几盘磁带，试图说服她去纽约拜访他。
These tapes are such a complete portrait of a certain kind of quest and a certain feeling you get early in a relationship.
这些磁带完整地描绘了你在恋爱初期所获得的某种追求和某种感觉。
And he agreed to let us play some excerpts here on the radio.
他同意让我们在广播中播放一些片段。
It's David.
是大卫。
I thought I would try to make you a little tape, give you a little tour, or a picture, of how it is in New York.
我想我应该试着给你制作一盘小磁带，给你一个小小的游览，或者一张照片，让你了解纽约的情况。
And I guess I will tune in and out with the events of my day.
我想我会关注和关注当天发生的事情。
I'm in my apartment.
我在我的公寓里。
There are instruments everywhere here.
这里到处都是乐器。
[PLAYS INSTRUMENTS]
[演奏乐器]
And there's a vibraphone.
还有一个电颤琴。
[PLAYS VIBRAPHONE] Hopefully one day you could see all of this.
[播放颤音琴] 希望有一天你能看到这一切。
So I will turn off now, and come back later, and talk to you some more.
所以我现在先休息一下，稍后再回来，再跟你聊聊。
I'm about to leave my apartment.
我正要离开我的公寓。
So you'll hear Chinatown.
所以你会听到唐人街。
Usually there are people hanging out in front of my building, old Chinese ladies.
通常有人在我的大楼前闲逛，都是中国老太太。
So this is my neighborhood.
所以这是我的邻居。
It's nice.
很好。
There is a bus here, filled with Chinese people going on a tour.
这里有一辆公共汽车，满载着去旅游的中国人。
And this neighborhood is pretty residential.
这个街区是相当住宅区。
At nighttime it's very quiet.
晚上很安静。
In the daytime there are a lot of children.
白天有很多孩子。
You can hear them from my apartment.
你可以从我的公寓听到他们的声音。
At lunchtime they're out in the schoolyard playing.
午餐时间，他们在校园里玩耍。
And everything that I see, I think of you.
我所看到的一切，我都会想起你。
So I thought I could just talk to you as I see them.
所以我想我可以在看到他们的时候和你谈谈。
You have to let me know if it is incredibly boring or if you like this.
你必须让我知道它是否非常无聊或者你是否喜欢这个。
So I'm going to a rehearsal today in Queens, close to my parents' house.
所以我今天要去皇后区排练，离我父母家很近。
Hey.
嘿。
I'm in my rehearsal.
我正在排练中。
And I'm sneaking, talking to you.
我正在偷偷地跟你说话。
[INSTRUMENTS TUNING UP]
[乐器调音]
Oh, Allesandra.
哦，亚历山德拉。
I just read your letter.
我刚刚读了你的信。
Wow.
哇。
I finished reading the letter, and I realized I wasn't even breathing while I was reading.
我读完这封信，我发现我在读的时候甚至没有呼吸。
I was holding my breath.
我屏住呼吸。
And I finished.
我完成了。
And I realized I am out of breath, like I just ran up a flight of stairs or something.
我意识到我上气不接下气，就像我刚刚跑上楼梯什么的。
I miss you so much right now.
我现在非常想念你。
Oh, please write me more.
哦，请多写信给我。
It's very beautiful, very tender, and making me so happy.
它非常美丽，非常温柔，让我非常高兴。
And you're great, you're great, you're great.
你很棒，你很棒，你很棒。
I miss you.
我想你。
I love you.
我爱你。
I really have fallen for you.
我真的已经爱上你了。
Thank you so much.
太感谢了。
That was my first letter from you.
那是你给我写的第一封信。
And to know that-- even though it was a week ago, my feeling is stronger and stronger.
要知道，即使是一周前，我的感觉却越来越强烈。
So thank you again.
所以再次感谢你。
That was so nice.
那太好了。
I feel so happy right now.
我现在感觉很幸福。
I'll speak to you soon.
我很快就会和你说话。
Well, I just talked on the phone a little while ago, Allesandra.
好吧，我刚才刚刚通了电话，阿莉桑德拉。
And we'll be OK.
我们会没事的。
It's just a feeling.
这只是一种感觉。
It's not my thought.
这不是我的想法。
But just-- I feel confident that everything will be fine, and we will see each other soon.
但只是——我相信一切都会好起来的，我们很快就会见面。
I'm thinking about you.
我在想你。
I couldn't just end like that.
我不能就这样结束。
I'm back, 10 minutes later than before.
我回来了，比之前晚了10分钟。
Wow, it's even hard to say goodbye to you on a tape.
哇，在磁带上和你说再见都很难。
It's hard to say goodbye to you on the phone.
很难在电话里和你说再见。
I went back outside.
我又回到外面。
So maybe I'll just record the sounds of outside for a moment.
所以也许我会暂时录下外面的声音。
[SOUNDS OF CHILDREN PLAYING] This is New York, where, hopefully, you will be soon.
[孩子们玩耍的声音] 这里是纽约，希望您很快就能到达。
So David Cossin, who made these tapes, now joins us to explain, first, if they worked.
因此，制作这些磁带的大卫·科辛现在和我们一起解释一下，首先，它们是否有效。
Yeah, I mean that was three years ago.
是的，我的意思是那是三年前的事了。
And I guess they worked, because I'm sitting in Italy right now with Allesandra.
我想它们起作用了，因为我现在和 Allesandra 坐在意大利。
And how worried were you about how she would react to the first tape?
你有多担心她对第一盘磁带的反应？
Yeah, I was a little worried, because it's a fine line between somebody who is intensely trying to connect with somebody with distance and being a stalker or something.
是的，我有点担心，因为强烈地试图与远距离的人联系的人和跟踪者之类的人之间只有一线之隔。
I have never really went after something like that before.
我以前从未真正追求过类似的东西。
Allesandra is the first and only person that I ever felt a strong need to keep being connected to on that level, especially for such a quick meeting.
Allesandra 是第一个也是唯一一个让我强烈需要在这种层面上保持联系的人，尤其是对于如此快速的会议。
And Allesandra is sitting right there with you, right?
亚历山德拉就坐在你身边，对吧？
Sure.
当然。
Hold on one second.
等一下。
Allesandra Pomarico Hello.
阿莱桑德拉·波马里科 你好。
So could I ask you to talk about what it was like getting the first of these tapes?
那么我可以请你谈谈获得第一盘磁带的感受吗？
It was tender.
很温柔。
It was really feeling again the presence of somebody.
真的再次感受到有人的存在。
Before you got the tapes, did it seem like such a serious thing that happened between you and him?
在你拿到录音带之前，你和他之间发生的事情看起来有那么严重吗？
I have to say, it was serious because it was intense.
我不得不说，这很严重，因为它很激烈。
We met, and we had a wonderful, incredible week.
我们见面了，我们度过了美好、不可思议的一周。
Something really special happened.
发生了一些非常特别的事情。
But then, maybe I started-- more than him, I started to be more rationalistic.
但后来，也许我开始——比他更理性。
I started to step again on earth.
我开始再次踏上地球。
So all this was like a romance, but I was rationally thinking, oh, I'm in Rome, he's in New York.
所以这一切就像一场浪漫，但我理性地思考，哦，我在罗马，他在纽约。
And those tapes helped to continue the romance.
这些磁带有助于延续浪漫。
And I think this was when I actually consciously felt in love with him.
我想那是我真正有意识地爱上他的时候。
I became aware of that.
我意识到了这一点。
And this helped me to believe in that love.
这帮助我相信了那种爱。
It was easy in that situation to be scared, and to try to hide from your own feelings or your own state of mind.
在那种情况下很容易感到害怕，并试图隐藏自己的感受或自己的心态。
On the tapes, he worries about being too intense or being too boring.
在录音带中，他担心太激烈或太无聊。
Were there moments of the tapes that struck you that way?
录音带中的某些时刻让你有这样的印象吗？
No, no, I was never bored.
不，不，我从不感到无聊。
And I never felt this was too much or too intense.
我从来没有觉得这太多或太强烈。
It was tender.
很温柔。
I was always sorry when the tape finished.
当磁带结束时我总是感到抱歉。
I always wanted more.
我总是想要更多。
And I rewinded some parts.
我倒带了一些部分。
And I listened to some of these many times.
其中一些我听了很多遍。
He's so in love with you on these tapes.
在这些磁带上他非常爱你。
I guess he was.
我猜他是。
And that's why it was so convincing, in a sense.
从某种意义上说，这就是为什么它如此令人信服。
I felt it was true, and it was irresistible.
我觉得这是真的，而且是不可抗拒的。
How can I say?
我怎么说呢？
I could not resist.
我无法抗拒。
It was natural.
这是很自然的。
Really, you have the sensation your destiny was changed.
真的，你会感觉到你的命运被改变了。
I guess every love story starts in the same way, in a sense.
我想从某种意义上说，每个爱情故事都以同样的方式开始。
Allesandra and David are now married.
亚历山德拉和大卫现已结婚。
In the years since we first broadcast this story, they have had a daughter, named Nina, who just turned four.
自从我们第一次播出这个故事以来，他们有了一个女儿，名叫尼娜，刚刚四岁。
[MUSIC - "SEND ME SOME LOVIN," OTIS REDDING]
[音乐 - “给我一些爱”，奥蒂斯·雷丁]
Well today's show is produced by Jonathan Goldstein and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Wendy Dorr, and Starlee Kine.
今天的节目由乔纳森·戈德斯坦和我自己以及亚历克斯·布隆伯格、温迪·多尔和斯塔莉·凯恩共同制作。
Our senior producer is Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人是朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help for today's show by Brian Reed.
布莱恩·里德 (Brian Reed) 为今天的节目提供制作帮助。
Special thanks today to Jonathan List, Nick Garcia and Sunny Neater.
今天特别感谢 Jonathan List、Nick Garcia 和 Sunny Neater。
Music help today from Adam "the tape guy" Jacobs and from Edward Lifson.
今天，音乐由“磁带人”亚当·雅各布斯和爱德华·利夫森提供帮助。
Our web site, thisamericanlife.org, where you can listen to all of our shows for absolutely free, sign up for our free podcast, or check out all the merch in our online store.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费收听我们所有的节目、注册我们的免费播客或查看我们在线商店中的所有商品。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by our boss, Torey Malatia, who keeps showing up at my house dressed as a pizza, saying-- [MUSIC - "EAT ME"]
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由我们的老板托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia) 负责监督，他经常打扮成披萨出现在我家，说道——[音乐 - “吃我”]
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。