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Prologue Ira Glass A few years back, a science fiction writer and fan named Stephen Goldin was preparing for an upcoming sci-fi convention.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 几年前，一位名叫斯蒂芬·戈尔丁的科幻小说作家兼粉丝正在为即将举行的科幻大会做准备。
And he thought that it might ease some of the awkward situations that he had seen at conventions in the past if he would just write up a few simple guidelines for the fans on how to act when they get to meet, one on one, some of the professional writers who they admired so much.
他认为，如果他能为粉丝们写一些简单的指导方针，指导他们在一对一会见他们非常钦佩的专业作家时如何行事，那么他过去在大会上遇到的一些尴尬局面可能会有所缓解。
Some of his tips-- I have them here.
他的一些技巧——我这里有。
Don't delay the pro on his way to the restroom and try to start a long conversation.
不要耽误专业人士去洗手间，并尝试开始一段长时间的对话。
If a pro is involved in another conversation, do not interrupt.
如果专业人士正在参与另一场谈话，请不要打断。
Wait until a break.
等到休息的时候。
In talking to a pro, keep it light.
与专业人士交谈时，请保持轻松。
If you want a detailed philosophical discussion, make an appointment.
如果您想进行详细的哲学讨论，请预约。
Don't be a sponge.
不要成为一块海绵。
Buy your fair share of drinks and meals.
购买应得的饮料和餐食。
Twenty-three different rules, ending with the most important.
二十三个不同的规则，以最重要的规则结尾。
Don't insult the pro.
不要侮辱专业人士。
Why would rules as basic as this even be necessary?
为什么像这样基本的规则是必要的？
The science fiction fans are usually the people who have been sort of the social outcasts when they were growing up in school.
科幻小说迷通常是那些在学校长大时被社会排斥的人。
When everyone else was out playing sports or going to parties, the fans were in their rooms reading.
当其他人都出去运动或参加聚会时，球迷们却在房间里读书。
And so they didn't develop a lot of the social skills their peers did and they grew up being introverts.
因此，他们并没有像同龄人那样发展出很多社交技能，而且他们长大后性格内向。
And so when you get to a science fiction convention, you get a convention of introverts, which is a very strange social phenomenon.
因此，当你参加科幻大会时，你会看到内向者的大会，这是一种非常奇怪的社会现象。
Have you seen fans try to follow the pros to the bathroom?
你见过球迷试图跟随职业选手去洗手间吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass Well, I bring all this up to say that it is not just science fiction fans who need simple guidelines like these.
Ira Glass 好吧，我提出这一切是为了表明，不仅仅是科幻小说迷需要这样的简单指南。
Reading Stephen Goldin's 23 rules online, I realize, to my embarrassment, that in putting together this week's radio show, we have violated eight of the 23 rules.
在网上阅读斯蒂芬·戈尔丁的 23 条规则时，我尴尬地意识到，在整理本周的广播节目时，我们违反了 23 条规则中的 8 条。
Eight.
八。
This week, we visited with a variety of different kinds of pros, and we monopolized their time, we interrupted, we got into detailed philosophical discussions uninvited.
本周，我们拜访了各种不同类型的专业人士，我们垄断了他们的时间，我们打断他们，我们不请自来地进行了详细的哲学讨论。
We did not pick up the check.
我们没有领取支票。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life.
嗯，来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台，这就是《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's show, Meet the Pros.
今天的节目，认识专业人士。
Stories of amateurs hurdling themselves at the professionals whose jobs they would like to have, for better or for worse.
业余爱好者与他们想要从事的专业人士竞争的故事，无论好坏。
Our show today in three acts.
我们今天的演出分三幕。
Act one, Crispy With the Rock.
第一幕，脆皮与岩石。
The star of what is arguably the world's greatest sneaker commercial, and whether it is possible for our correspondent, little grasshopper, to grab the basketball from his hand.
可以说是世界上最伟大的运动鞋广告的明星，以及我们的记者小蚱蜢是否有可能从他手中夺走篮球。
Act two, Know When to Walk Away, Know When to Run.
第二幕，知道何时走开，知道何时逃跑。
In which I explain how I went to the World Series of Poker as a reporter and came away completely obsessed with the game, reading about it, playing online to an extent that I have not completely admitted to my own family until this very hour.
在其中我解释了我如何以记者的身份参加世界扑克系列赛，并完全沉迷于这项游戏，阅读有关它的信息，在线玩游戏，直到此时我才完全向自己的家人承认。
Act three, Martha, My Dear.
第三幕，玛莎，亲爱的。
David Rakoff goes behind the scenes at Martha Stewart Living to find out the answer to the question, if his hobby became his job, would it still be fun?
大卫·拉考夫 (David Rakoff) 深入玛莎·斯图尔特生活 (Martha Stewart Living) 的幕后寻找问题的答案：如果他的爱好变成了工作，它还会有趣吗？
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
This is the story of two amateurs meeting the pros.
这是两个业余爱好者遇见专业人士的故事。
One of the amateurs, a teenager in New Jersey.
其中一名业余爱好者是新泽西州的一名青少年。
The other, our correspondent, Joel Lovell.
另一个是我们的记者乔尔·洛弗尔。
And before we get started, I should say that today's show was first broadcast in 2001.
在我们开始之前，我应该说今天的节目是在 2001 年首次播出的。
And so the amazing TV commercial that they're talking about in this story, it's something that aired back then.
所以他们在这个故事中谈论的令人惊叹的电视广告是当时播出的。
OK, here's Joel.
好的，这是乔尔。
This is the sound of me dribbling a basketball.
这是我运球的声音。
[DRIBBLING] Now this is Luis Da Silva dribbling a basketball.
[运球] 现在这是路易斯·达席尔瓦在运球。
[DRIBBLING] Ira Glass Luis is in the Nike commercial-- Freestyle, it's called-- that ran on TV throughout the NBA playoffs this past spring.
[运球] 艾拉·格拉斯·路易斯 (Ira Glass Luis) 出现在耐克广告中——它被称为“Freestyle”——去年春天，该广告在整个 NBA 季后赛期间在电视上播放。
If you haven't seen it, the commercial features a bunch of NBA stars and some WNBA stars and a bunch of street ballplayers.
如果您还没有看过，该广告以一群 NBA 球星和一些 WNBA 球星以及一群街头篮球运动员为主角。
Guys with names like Speedy and A Train and The Future performing a series of spectacular tricks.
Speedy、A Train 和 The Future 等人表演了一系列精彩的特技。
Dribbling and passing and twirling basketballs, sort of like the Harlem Globetrotters.
运球、传球、旋转篮球，有点像哈林篮球队。
But a lot faster and a lot cooler, and to this incredibly infectious hip-hop beat.
但速度更快、更酷，还有这种极具感染力的嘻哈节奏。
So their dribbling sounds like music.
所以他们的运球听起来就像音乐。
In May and June, the ads were airing in pretty heavy rotation, and I found myself spending a lot of hours watching games I didn't really care about.
五月和六月，广告轮流播放，我发现自己花了很多时间观看我并不真正关心的游戏。
Games involving the Indiana Pacers, for instance.
例如，涉及印第安纳步行者队的比赛。
Just so I could see the commercial.
只是为了让我能看到广告。
Technically, there are three different versions of the ad.
从技术上讲，该广告共有三个不同版本。
A long two and a half minute spot involving all the players, then a similar shorter one.
一个长两分半钟的广告，所有球员都参与其中，然后是一个类似的较短广告。
And then a 30-second spot that features only Luis, a 19-year-old kid from Linden, New Jersey who can do things with a basketball that if you're serious basketball lover-- well, they just make you want to die, they're so great.
然后是一个 30 秒的广告，只有路易斯，一个来自新泽西州林登的 19 岁孩子，他可以用篮球做一些事情，如果你是认真的篮球爱好者——嗯，他们只会让你想死，他们太棒了。
Linden is a working class suburb just south of Newark.
林登是纽瓦克以南的工人阶级郊区。
Luis's family moved here a few years ago, so that he and his sister could go to a safer school.
路易斯的家人几年前搬到了这里，这样他和他的妹妹就可以去一所更安全的学校。
It's a nice neighborhood.
这是一个不错的社区。
The houses and lawns are well kept.
房屋和草坪维护得很好。
It's not at all the kind of gritty, urban neighborhoods where serious street ballplayers make their names.
这里根本不是那种街头篮球运动员成名的坚韧的城市社区。
This is actually my room right here.
这实际上是我的房间。
This is where I stand in the mirror.
这就是我站在镜子里的地方。
Because I'm always in the mirror trying to figure out new moves.
因为我总是对着镜子试图找出新的动作。
It's like my workout screen.
这就像我的锻炼屏幕。
He shows me the walls of his room, and they're like the walls of a lot of 19-year-old guys' rooms.
他给我看了他房间的墙壁，它们就像很多 19 岁男孩房间的墙壁。
There are some photos of souped-up cars, and one of a motorcycle in mid-flight, and there are a bunch of posters of Luis's basketball heroes.
有一些增强型汽车的照片，一张飞行中的摩托车的照片，还有一堆路易斯的篮球英雄的海报。
You see a lot of Iverson and Steve France.
你经常看到艾弗森和史蒂夫·弗朗斯。
Then right here you got Michael.
那么迈克尔就在这里。
Everybody got a picture with Jordan.
每个人都与乔丹合影。
And there, to the right of Jordan, a full-sized color poster of Luis.
在乔丹的右边，有一张路易斯的全尺寸彩色海报。
And to Jordan's left, some one-of-a-kind Luis memorabilia.
乔丹的左边是一些独一无二的路易斯纪念品。
And that's actually the same shorts I wore in the commercial.
这实际上和我在广告中穿的短裤是一样的。
My mother did that for me.
我妈妈为我这么做了。
She put it in a little frame.
她把它放在一个小框架里。
This is the story of how Luis, who is not a basketball star, who in fact didn't even make the starting five on his high school team, ended up on the same wall beside all his idols.
这是一个关于路易斯的故事，他不是篮球明星，实际上甚至没有进入高中球队的首发五人，最终与他所有的偶像一起站在同一面墙上。
We sit in Luis's living room and he tells me his story from the beginning.
我们坐在路易斯的客厅里，他从头开始向我讲述他的故事。
He's been playing basketball since he was 11, when he lived in Elizabeth, New Jersey.
他从 11 岁起就开始打篮球，当时他住在新泽西州的伊丽莎白。
The nearest park was pretty dangerous.
最近的公园非常危险。
And because his mother didn't want Luis going there alone, he ended up dribbling a ball in his own backyard, a concrete slab about the size of a Twister mat.
因为他的母亲不想让路易斯独自去那里，所以他最终在自己的后院运球，一块大约 Twister 垫子大小的混凝土板。
He would dribble from morning till night, watching his reflection in a basement window.
他从早到晚都会运球，看着地下室窗户里自己的倒影。
Trying to repeat exactly the same moves again and again.
尝试一次又一次地重复完全相同的动作。
His neighbors, who were often kept awake by his dribbling, thought he was out of his mind.
他的邻居经常被他的运球弄得睡不着觉，他们认为他疯了。
When my father called me in, he's like, son, it's time to come in now.
当我父亲叫我进去时，他说，儿子，现在该进来了。
I'm like, what time is it?
我想，现在几点了？
He's like, it's 2:30.
他说，现在是 2:30。
I was like, wow.
我当时想，哇。
Time just came by.
时间刚刚过去。
Time just flew.
时间过得真快。
And I would wake up the next day during sometime like 9, 10 o'clock and get like four or five hours of sleep.
第二天我会在九点、十点左右醒来，然后睡四五个小时。
Back up.
备份。
But I wanted it so bad.
但我非常想要它。
I wanted it so bad.
我非常想要它。
I was just in my backyard.
我当时就在自家后院。
That's how much I loved it.
我就是这么喜欢它。
I mean, nothing else mattered.
我的意思是，其他都不重要。
Nothing else mattered.
其他的都不重要了。
Wasn't on the phone much.
没怎么打电话。
I wasn't even concerned about going out with my friends and going to the movies.
我什至不关心和朋友出去看电影。
I loved it so much.
我非常喜欢它。
And I just wanted to be the best at what I do and dribbling and having the nicest handle around and nothing else mattered.
我只想在自己所做的事情上做到最好，运球并拥有最好的控球能力，其他一切都不重要。
Nicest handle, maddest handle.
最好的手柄，最疯狂的手柄。
Do him dirty, break him down.
把他弄脏，把他打垮。
Like any specialized world, street basketball has its own language spoken by experts.
与任何专业领域一样，街头篮球也有自己的专家语言。
And the lingo sounds so cool to me, but also sounds so uncool when spoken by me, that I ask Luis to elaborate on some of the phrases.
这些行话对我来说听起来很酷，但当我说出来时却听起来很不酷，所以我请路易斯详细说明其中的一些短语。
It sends him into a kind of hoop slang spiral, in which it turns out, the lingo can only be explained by more lingo.
这让他陷入了一种圈内俚语螺旋，事实证明，行话只能用更多行话来解释。
There's so many terms.
有这么多术语。
Having good handle or being crispy with the rock is having good basketball skills and fundamentally sound with the basketball.
拥有良好的控球能力或对岩石的敏锐度意味着拥有良好的篮球技术和基本的篮球能力。
Everybody uses, but break an ankle is now having an opponent fall or they got the cowboy now.
每个人都使用，但扭断脚踝现在是让对手摔倒或者他们现在得到了牛仔。
And when you're on the one leg, you're hitting a skip because somebody just broke you down.
当你单腿站立时，你就会撞到跳跃，因为有人刚刚把你摔倒了。
Broke you down means somebody just went by you real fast and shook you.
让你崩溃意味着有人快速地从你身边经过并震动了你。
And shook you means you're playing defense, you lost your footing, and it sort of looks like you're doing a dance step when you should have been playing defense.
摇晃你意味着你正在防守，你失去了立足点，看起来就像你在应该防守的时候在跳舞步。
Dunk, make a deposit, x amount of sign.
扣篮，交押金，x签名金额。
Money, Niagara Falls, reindeer games, those are all terms for making the basket in.
金钱、尼亚加拉大瀑布、驯鹿比赛，这些都是投进篮子的条件。
Luis never had a shot at the pros.
路易斯从未有过职业生涯的机会。
There was no way he was going to make a living at basketball.
他不可能以篮球为生。
He 5'10'', a decent but not great high school player who mostly sat on the bench.
他身高 5 英尺 10 英寸，是一名不错但不算出色的高中球员，大部分时间都坐在替补席上。
Like thousands of other guys who played ball when they were young, Luis's basketball fate seemed clear enough.
就像成千上万其他年轻时打球的人一样，路易斯的篮球命运似乎很清楚。
He'd play the occasional pickup game, maybe join a local rec league, and years from now he'd settle into a Barcalounger and watch hoops on TV and complain about how kids these days have no respect for the game.
他偶尔会参加一些临时比赛，也许会加入当地的休闲联盟，几年后，他会坐在 Barcalounger 里，看电视上的篮球比赛，抱怨现在的孩子们如何不尊重这项运动。
But then one night he got a call from a friend telling him about an audition for a Nike commercial the very next day over in Manhattan.
但有一天晚上，他接到一位朋友的电话，告诉他第二天要在曼哈顿参加耐克广告的试镜。
There was a little gym on the third floor.
三楼有一个小健身房。
And yeah, a little gym on the third floor.
是的，三楼有一个小健身房。
So we walked in.
于是我们就走了进去。
And I'm so used to my little bubble, I mean nobody around my area does the stuff that I do, I stand out.
我已经习惯了我的小泡泡，我的意思是我周围没有人做我所做的事情，我脱颖而出。
But then I enter a room where everybody's doing pretty much the same thing, guys doing this for a living-- Harlem Globetrotters and Wizards and NBA players.
但当我进入一个房间时，每个人都在做几乎相同的事情，他们以此为生——哈莱姆篮球队、奇才队和 NBA 球员。
So I turned to my father and I was like, oh man.
所以我转向我的父亲，我说，天哪。
I didn't even think it was going to be like this.
我什至没有想到事情会变成这样。
My eyes grew.
我的眼睛长大了。
And it was like a basketball court.
这就像一个篮球场。
Everybody was crowded around the court and I was one of the last ones.
每个人都挤在球场周围，我是最后的人之一。
Everybody was starting to leave, the crowd was starting to go.
每个人都开始离开，人群也开始散去。
I was actually the last one.
我其实是最后一个。
I started doing my thing, doing tricks and things that most of the other guys they had never seen somebody do.
我开始做我的事情，做一些技巧和其他大多数人从未见过的事情。
Everybody started coming back in the room and filling up again.
每个人都开始回到房间并再次填满东西。
So I'm like, I don't know if this is good news or bad news.
所以我想，我不知道这是好消息还是坏消息。
But I was so in the zone.
但我很投入。
And from there on, after I was done, everybody came up to me and was like, where are you from?
从那时起，当我完成后，每个人都走过来问我，你来自哪里？
They looked at me like I had three heads and I was from Mars.
他们看着我，就像我有三个头，而且我来自火星。
They were like, I never seen you around.
他们就像，我从来没有见过你。
I never seen nobody do the stuff you do.
我从来没有见过有人做你做的事情。
I had to call, the next day I was working part-time in a local mall at the Athlete's Foot, here in Woodbridge Mall.
第二天，我不得不打电话，当时我正在伍德布里奇购物中心 (Athlete's Foot) 的一家当地购物中心做兼职。
And I got on the phone and her name was Kim.
我接到电话，她的名字叫金。
And she saw me at the audition yesterday and she wants me to come to the studio.
昨天她在试镜时看到了我，她想让我去录音室。
So I hung up on her.
于是我挂断了她的电话。
I thought it was somebody trying to clown me.
我以为有人想捉弄我。
One of my friends trying to pull a prank.
我的一个朋友想搞恶作剧。
Because if it was really her, then she would have been like, why'd you hang up the phone?
因为如果真的是她，那么她会说，你为什么挂电话？
So then she calls again and we got disconnected, she said.
她说，然后她又打来电话，我们就断线了。
I was going, I guess it is for real.
我正要去，我想这是真的。
So then she's telling me if I could come to the Kaufman Studios in Astoria, Queens.
然后她告诉我是否可以去皇后区阿斯托里亚的考夫曼工作室。
Tuesday.
周二。
Everybody thought you were the best one and they want you for this commercial.
每个人都认为你是最好的，他们希望你参与这个广告。
They want you for this commercial.
他们想要你来拍这个广告。
March 20, I'll never forget.
3月20日，我永远不会忘记。
That was one of the best days of my life.
那是我一生中最美好的日子之一。
Other guys came out.
其他人也出来了。
A Train came on.
一列火车开过来了。
Chris Franklin, that was the one who was spinning the ball on the floor.
克里斯·富兰克林，就是那个在地板上旋转球的人。
Also PV Kirkland was there.
PV Kirkland 也在那里。
He's a street diplomat with basketball.
他是一名篮球街头外交官。
He started crossovers and all that.
他开始跨界等等。
And they had Jackie, the famous Globetrotter.
他们还有著名的环球旅行者杰基。
I'm in a room all full of celebrities and players that I grew up inspired by and want to be like and enjoy their style of basketball.
我所在的房间里挤满了名人和球员，我从小就受到他们的启发，想要学习并享受他们的篮球风格。
We had a little water break.
我们休息了一会儿。
Actually, PV Kirkland, he actually got up off his seat and shook my hand and said, I've been around a lot of basketball players and seen a lot of things, but I ain't never seen somebody do the stuff you do.
事实上，PV Kirkland，他实际上从座位上站起来，握着我的手说，我和很多篮球运动员在一起，见过很多事情，但我从未见过有人做你所做的事情。
That was the ultimate.
那是终极的。
What about the pro guys, did they say anything to you?
那些职业球员呢，他们对你说过什么吗？
Yeah, Barry Davids is real cool.
是的，巴里·戴维斯真的很酷。
He's like, Lu, you got to teach me some of this stuff.
他说，卢，你必须教我一些这些东西。
I was like, Barry Davids, I'll teach you some of this if you do me a favor and pull it off at some of the games.
我当时想，巴里·戴维斯，如果你帮我一个忙，并在一些比赛中成功的话，我会教你一些。
And he started laughing.
他开始大笑。
But he got handle.
但他掌握了把柄。
Paul Pierce though, that's my man.
不过保罗·皮尔斯，那是我的人。
He couldn't spin the ball around his fingers if his life depended on it.
如果他的生命依赖于球，他就不能在手指上旋转球。
It was so hard to get him to spin the ball.
让他旋转球非常困难。
It was tough.
这很艰难。
He was getting it.
他明白了。
He got a little dance going.
他跳了一段小舞。
Too much for the basketball, so he could sort of bob his head to the music.
对于篮球来说太多了，所以他可以随着音乐摇头。
Right.
正确的。
They just have him dancing around the ball.
他们只是让他围着球跳舞。
A couple of months later, Luis was out driving around when he got a call from one of the guys in the ad.
几个月后，路易斯开车外出时接到了广告中的一个人打来的电话。
He's like, Lu, called me all excited.
他就像，卢，叫我很兴奋。
He's like, Lu, your commercial's on right now.
他说，卢，你的广告现在开始了。
He's like, the commercial is so hot.
他说，这个广告太火了。
And he's like, hold on.
他就像，坚持住。
He's like bowl commercial break your commercial's going on.
他就像碗广告打断了你的广告。
Your commercials going on like eight, nine times.
你的广告会播放八、九次。
Every time they put in a timeout, the commercial's going on.
每次他们暂停时，广告就会继续播放。
And they got one just with you.
他们只为你准备了一份。
I said, oh yeah?
我说，哦，是吗？
Click.
点击。
Yeah, right.
是的，对。
Stop clowning me.
别再逗我了。
And I didn't see it till, I believe, it was a week later.
我相信，直到一周后我才看到它。
But when I seen it, I was-- I had a smile.
但当我看到它时，我——我笑了。
I didn't have a smile on my face, but inside I was so lit up.
我脸上没有笑容，但内心却很光明。
I was like, man, I can't believe it.
我当时想，伙计，我简直不敢相信。
I can't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
I came out to Luis's house with the tape of the commercial in my bag.
我来到路易斯家，包里装着广告带。
I wanted to watch it with the man himself, have him describe to me in detail what went on the day they shot the ad.
我想和那个人本人一起观看，让他向我详细描述他们拍摄广告那天发生的事情。
Starting off the commercial.
从广告开始。
Future with his little dance.
未来与他的小舞。
That was Dottie and that was me right there.
那是多蒂，那是我。
Everybody thought that was a camera take.
大家都以为那是相机拍的。
They couldn't believe I could really do that.
他们不敢相信我真的能做到这一点。
It's a little difficult staying calm as Luis walks me through it.
当路易斯引导我经历这一切时，保持冷静有点困难。
I mean, I don't want to sound like a corporate flack or anything, but I think this commercial is just about the greatest thing that has ever been on television.
我的意思是，我不想听起来像公司的攻击或其他什么，但我认为这个广告是电视上有史以来最伟大的事情。
It kicks the moon landing's ass.
它踢了登月的屁股。
I also don't want to get too enthusiastic about something that ultimately exists to sell sneakers.
我也不想对最终为了销售运动鞋而存在的东西过于热情。
But there's just no denying the way the commercial captures basketball's pure improvisational beauty.
但不可否认的是，这则广告捕捉到了篮球纯粹的即兴之美。
There's one trick Luis does that's a little hard to explain on the radio, but it involves him capturing the ball between his elbows and lower back, in such a way that the ball seems to vanish in thin air.
路易斯的一个技巧在广播中有点难以解释，但它涉及到他用肘部和下背部接住球，这样球似乎就消失在稀薄的空气中。
The first time I saw it, I thought it was done with computers.
第一次看到还以为是电脑做的。
Can I pause it for a second?
我可以暂停一下吗？
Luis Da Silva Yeah.
路易斯·达席尔瓦 是的。
It looks like the ball is just like on a string hanging there.
看起来球就像挂在绳子上一样。
It's incredible.
太不可思议了。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Joel Lovell I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
乔尔·洛弗尔（Joel Lovell） 我知道我不是唯一有这种感觉的人。
This past month, Luis went to Taiwan with a few other guys from the ad to promote a street basketball event called Hip Hoop.
上个月，路易斯和广告中的其他几个人一起去了台湾，宣传一项名为 Hip Hoop 的街头篮球活动。
The Nike commercial had just started running in Taiwan, and he wasn't really prepared for how he'd be greeted there.
耐克的广告刚刚在台湾开始播放，他并没有真正准备好在那里会受到怎样的欢迎。
In the airport outside of Taipei, Taiwanese customs officials approached him and the other guys, pointing at them and dribbling imaginary basketballs.
在台北郊外的机场，台湾海关官员走近他和其他人，指着他们，并运着想象中的篮球。
Saying, freestyle, freestyle, over and over.
说着，自由泳，自由泳，一遍又一遍。
And repeating the rhythm of the ad's squeaking sneakers.
并重复广告中运动鞋吱吱作响的节奏。
[SAYING RHYTHM] Luis has a pile of snapshots he took on the streets of Taipei to record the hugeness of his celebrity there.
[说节奏] 路易斯有一堆他在台北街头拍摄的快照，以记录他在那里的名人效应。
They had posters and billboards of me all over Taipei.
他们在台北到处贴着我的海报和广告牌。
I was shocked.
我很震惊。
I was taking pictures all over.
我到处拍照。
Everywhere I would turn there would be another posted of me.
无论我走到哪里，都会有另一个我的帖子。
They had, actually, basketball courts in every park of my face on it.
事实上，他们在我面前的每个公园里都有篮球场。
So here you are, it looks like it's about 50 feet high, this poster.
这张海报看起来大约有 50 英尺高。
I got to ask you about once specific move.
我得问你一次具体的行动。
You hold the ball in your hand and you go as if you're throwing it towards the camera.
您将球握在手中，就像将球扔向摄像机一样。
And somehow, the ball rolls back on your hand.
不知何故，球又滚回到你的手上。
It's like you're going to throw the ball forward.
就像你要把球向前扔一样。
You roll the ball back, you get the spin back, and you try to stop it.
你把球滚回来，旋转回来，然后你试图阻止它。
But you do it with one hand, so it's like a motion--
但你用一只手来做，所以这就像一个动作——
Luis can explain to me all the tricks he wants.
路易斯可以向我解释他想要的所有技巧。
But what he can't really put into words when I ask him is what it's like to go so quickly from selling Nikes at the local mall in more of a one-on-one, is there enough room for your toes kind of way, to travelling halfway around the globe to a place where photos of him dominate entire city blocks?
但当我问他时，他无法用言语表达的是，从在当地商场以一对一的方式销售耐克（是否有足够的空间容纳你的脚趾）到跨越半个地球旅行到他的照片占据整个街区的地方，这是什么样的感觉？
And what I can't explain is the effect this commercial has had on me.
我无法解释的是这个广告对我的影响。
I've watched it dozens, maybe even hundreds of times.
我已经看了几十遍，甚至几百遍了。
I keep trying to do tricks in my house that go badly awry and leave dirty basketball imprints on the walls.
我一直在家里尝试各种把戏，但结果却大错特错，在墙上留下了脏兮兮的篮球印记。
We're going to go outside and teach you a guys a couple tricks so when you go home, your wife's going to be like where you've been?
我们要去外面教你们几个技巧，这样当你们回家时，你们的妻子会像你们去过的地方一样吗？
Eventually, Luis takes me in his backyard to play a little one-on-one.
最终，路易斯带我到他的后院进行了一场一对一的比赛。
I have to admit, it's the moment I've been waiting for.
我必须承认，这就是我一直在等待的时刻。
I'm 35 years old, a husband and father and total square.
我今年35岁，是一个丈夫、一个父亲，完全是一个正直的人。
And I'm about to play ball with the kid who has the maddest handle in the world.
我即将和世界上拥有最疯狂控球能力的孩子一起打球。
He starts showing me a couple of tricks, and then starts dribbling the ball around, good-naturedly challenging me to steal it from him.
他开始向我展示一些技巧，然后开始运球，善意地挑战我从他那里偷球。
I take a couple of half-hearted swipes and Luis taunts me little, dribbling the ball right in front of me, less than an arm's length away.
我半心半意地击球了几下，路易斯对我进行了一点嘲讽，在我面前运球，距离我不到一臂长。
And that's when I have this weird, slightly confusing pang.
就在那时我感到一种奇怪的、有点令人困惑的痛苦。
I start thinking, what if I steal the ball from him?
我开始想，如果我从他那里偷球怎么办？
I've played a lot of basketball in my life and we're in this tiny space that's about the size of a parking spot.
我一生中打过很多次篮球，而我们却在这个只有停车场大小的狭小空间里。
There's actually a chance that I'll be able to take it away from him.
实际上我有机会从他手中夺走它。
Or that I'll look kind of like a chump if I can't get a hand on the ball at least once.
或者说，如果我至少一次不能把手放在球上，我就会看起来像个傻瓜。
But then Luis begins to dribble the ball faster and faster.
但随后路易斯运球的速度越来越快。
Sweat stains his shirt and beads on his face, and his hands move so quickly they look like wild birds.
汗水沾满了他的衬衫和脸上的珠子，他的双手动作很快，看起来就像野鸟一样。
He flutters the ball along the ground in front of me, then makes it rises up one arm and roll down the other.
他将球沿着我面前的地面飘动，然后让它在一只手臂上上升并从另一只手臂上滚下来。
When I swipe at it, it somehow disappears behind my head.
当我滑动它时，它不知何故消失在我的脑后。
And then, like a nickel plucked from my ear, reappears in front of my face.
然后，就像从我耳朵里拔下的一枚镍币一样，又出现在我的面前。
So close that for a nanosecond, it feels like I'm about to kiss the grainy service of the ball.
如此接近，只有一纳秒，感觉就像我即将亲吻球的颗粒状服务。
I lunge at the ball now, hoping that by sheer coincidence I might knock it away.
我现在向球猛冲，希望纯粹是巧合我能把它撞开。
But I know I won't.
但我知道我不会。
He's too good even for that, and I'm glad.
即使这样他也太优秀了，我很高兴。
When Luis got to meet the stars on the set of the Nike commercial in Astoria, he was excited, sure.
当路易斯在阿斯托里亚的耐克广告片场见到明星时，他当然很兴奋。
But he also knew that at this one thing he was their peer.
但他也知道，在这一点上，他是他们的对手。
What I'm feeling now is totally different.
我现在的感受完全不同了。
This wave of relief and giddiness comes over me.
这股如释重负和头晕的感觉涌上心头。
There's something reassuring in the idea that someone, through sheer determination and will, can become so impossibly blow-your-mind good.
一个人通过纯粹的决心和意志，可以变得如此令人难以置信的优秀，这让人感到安心。
And there's something so comforting about being in the presence of such goodness, I keep on reaching out my hands and groping around like a blind man.
面对如此美好的事物，我感到非常安慰，我不断地伸出双手，像盲人一样摸索。
Sometimes goofy laughing and spastic like a kid, and sometimes dead serious determined.
有时像个孩子一样傻笑、痉挛，有时又严肃又坚定。
But no matter what, my hands come back to me as empty of basketballs as the day I was born.
但无论如何，我的双手都像我出生的那天一样空空如也。
Joel Lovell in New York.
乔尔·洛弗尔在纽约。
If you're curious to see the Nike ad he's talking about, we have a link at our website, www.thisamericanlife.org.
如果您对他正在谈论的耐克广告感到好奇，我们的网站 www.thisamericanlife.org 上有一个链接。
Coming up, I give all the good reasons for doing something very stupid.
接下来，我会给出做一些非常愚蠢的事情的所有充分理由。
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio and Public Radio International, when our program continues.
一分钟后，芝加哥公共广播电台和国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life, I'm Ira Glass.
这就是美国生活，我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose some theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，为您带来关于该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Meet the Pros.
今天的节目，认识专业人士。
Stories of aspiring amateurs dropping in on the big leagues.
有抱负的业余爱好者加入大联盟的故事。
We have arrived at act two of our program.
我们已经进入了计划的第二幕。
Act two, Know When to Walk Away, Know When to Run.
第二幕，知道何时走开，知道何时逃跑。
In May of 2001, one of the then-producers of our radio show, Starlee Kine, and I went to Las Vegas to watch the World Series of Poker with this guy named Jim McManus.
2001 年 5 月，我和当时广播节目的制作人之一斯塔莉·凯恩 (Starlee Kine) 前往拉斯维加斯，与吉姆·麦克马纳斯 (Jim McManus) 一起观看世界扑克系列赛。
McManus is this novelist who had gotten sent to the World Series of Poker to cover it by Harper's Magazine the year before.
麦克马纳斯是一位小说家，前一年被《哈泼斯》杂志派往世界扑克系列赛进行报道。
And as part of his coverage, he entered the tournament playing poker.
作为报道的一部分，他参加了打扑克的锦标赛。
Now usually when a reporter does a stunt like this, he's knocked out of the competition pretty fast.
现在通常当记者做出这样的特技时，他很快就会被淘汰出局。
McManus, who had played poker all his life, but had never actually played in a tournament with professionals, came in fifth.
麦克马纳斯一生都在玩扑克，但从未真正参加过与职业选手一起参加的锦标赛，他排名第五。
Fifth out of over 500 entrants.
在 500 多名参赛者中排名第五。
He flew home with a quarter million dollars in prize money.
他带着25万美元的奖金飞回家。
So anyway, Jim was introducing Starlee and I around to the various people who you're going to hear in this next story.
不管怎样，吉姆正在向大家介绍斯塔莉和我，你们将在下一个故事中听到他们。
People who make their livings playing poker.
以打扑克为生的人。
And some of these people, by the way, have become pretty well known in the poker explosion that's happened on TV and online and all over the country since we did this story back in 2001.
顺便说一句，自从我们 2001 年报道这个故事以来，其中一些人在电视、网络和全国各地发生的扑克爆炸中变得相当出名。
So I'm talking to these poker pros and during one of the interviews I was asking somebody a question about, how much money they make?
所以我正在和这些扑克职业选手交谈，在一次采访中我问了一些人一个问题，他们赚多少钱？
Or how many days a week do they work?
或者他们每周工作几天？
And Jim, who's been listening to all these interviews, interrupts to tell the person who we're talking to, you have to understand, Ira is secretly considering leaving his job to play poker for a living.
一直在听所有这些采访的吉姆打断了我们正在谈话的人，你必须明白，艾拉正在秘密考虑辞掉工作，以打扑克为生。
And up until the moment he said that, that thought had not fully formed in my head.
直到他说这句话的那一刻，我的脑海里还没有完全形成这个想法。
And as soon as he said it, I realized he was completely right.
他一说出来，我就意识到他是完全正确的。
There was a part of me that was working on this question, should I leave my job to go play poker for a living?
我内心深处一直在思考这个问题：我应该辞掉工作去打扑克谋生吗？
Even though I'd only played poker like a half dozen times in my life.
尽管我一生中只玩过六次扑克。
Watching these people play cards all day for their jobs, it just seemed so much better than any job I had ever seen or imagined.
看着这些人为了工作整天打牌，这似乎比我见过或想象过的任何工作都要好得多。
And the tricky thing is, it doesn't look that hard.
棘手的是，它看起来并不那么难。
It's not like pro basketball.
这不像职业篮球。
It's not like hitting a fast ball like Alex Rodriguez.
这不像亚历克斯·罗德里格斯那样打快球。
You know you can't do that.
你知道你不能那样做。
But poker, it's just cards.
但扑克，只是纸牌。
You know, it's only cards.
你知道，这只是卡片。
How hard could that be?
那有多难？
And so I spent a lot of time talking to people who had mastered the game-- my future colleagues-- trying to figure out if, in fact, it seemed attainable.
因此，我花了很多时间与精通这款游戏的人（我未来的同事）交谈，试图弄清楚它实际上是否可以实现。
They seem just like you and me when you meet them.
当你见到他们时，他们看起来就像你和我一样。
But somehow they had figured out not only how to beat other people, but how to beat luck itself.
但不知何故，他们不仅弄清楚了如何击败其他人，还弄清楚了如何击败运气本身。
You know, to what degree are they just regular people and to what degree do they have a kind of superpower?
你知道，他们在多大程度上只是普通人，在多大程度上拥有某种超能力？
Like this woman.
就像这个女人。
My mother started teaching me how to play cards when I was five.
我五岁时，妈妈就开始教我打牌。
And then I have a really big family and a really close family and we used to always when I was 8, 9, 10 years old, just play poker for pennies.
然后我有一个非常大的家庭和一个非常亲密的家庭，当我8、9、10岁时，我们总是为了几分钱而玩扑克。
When I met her, Jen Harman had been making her living as a poker player for 13 years.
当我遇见她时，Jen Harman 已经靠扑克玩家谋生了 13 年。
Grew up in Reno.
在里诺长大。
She was in her 30s, owned a bunch of dogs.
她30多岁，养了一群狗。
Married.
已婚。
Do you see what I'm saying?
你明白我在说什么吗？
She seems like anyone you know.
她看起来就像你认识的任何人。
Until she starts telling stories like this next one about how when she was 12, her dad would have poker games now and then.
直到她开始讲述下一个这样的故事，讲述她 12 岁时，她的父亲如何时不时地玩扑克游戏。
And if he started losing $300 or $400 or $500, she'd be allowed to play.
如果他开始输掉 300 美元、400 美元或 500 美元，她就可以参加比赛。
He would put me in the game for him to get his money back.
他会让我参与游戏，让他拿回他的钱。
And I remember sitting with these guys who seemed like ancient because I was only 12 or 13 and thinking, wow, these guys have no idea what they're doing.
我记得和这些看起来很老的人坐在一起，因为我只有 12 或 13 岁，我想，哇，这些人不知道他们在做什么。
And I'd take their money.
我会拿他们的钱。
Just I'd watch people's movements and I'd watch them how they bet their hands.
我只是观察人们的动作，观察他们如何下注。
And just the whole psychological thing about it.
以及与之相关的整个心理问题。
They'd bet and I'd be saying in my mind, he doesn't have anything.
他们会打赌，我会在心里说，他什么都没有。
Just all that kind of stuff.
就是这样的东西。
I think I always got my dad even.
我想我总是和我爸爸扯平。
I don't remember a time that I didn't get him even.
我不记得有一次我什至没有得到他。
Like winning $500 back's a lot of money and you're like getting an allowance.
就像赢回 500 美元是很多钱，而且你就像得到了津贴一样。
At 16, Jen started playing in casinos.
16 岁时，Jen 开始在赌场玩牌。
After college, after studying to go to medical school, she started playing full-time.
大学毕业后，在学习进入医学院后，她开始全职打球。
If poker's your job, you set your own hours, choose what days to play.
如果扑克是你的工作，你可以设定自己的时间，选择玩什么日子。
Jen says it will be the perfect job when she has kids.
珍说，当她有了孩子后，这将是一份完美的工作。
Right now her daily routine goes like this.
现在她的日常是这样的。
Wake at noon or 1:00 or 2:00.
中午或 1:00 或 2:00 醒来。
Hang out in the afternoon.
下午出去玩。
Play with the dogs, run errands.
和狗一起玩，跑腿。
Study Italian.
学习意大利语。
Jen's new husband is Italian.
珍的新丈夫是意大利人。
Sometime between 7:00 and 9:00 at night, a few nights a week, she drops into the casino to see if there's a game or to start a game.
每周有几个晚上，晚上 7:00 到 9:00 之间的某个时间，她会去赌场看看是否有游戏或开始游戏。
Jen plays in what are probably the most expensive card games in the world in the poker room at the Bellagio Casino in Las Vegas.
Jen 在拉斯维加斯贝拉吉奥赌场的扑克室玩可能是世界上最昂贵的纸牌游戏。
She shows up on a Tuesday night.
她在星期二晚上出现。
OK, I'm going to go to the box and get money.
好的，我要去箱子里取钱。
The Casino gives hard core players like Jen safe deposit boxes in a room next door to the poker room.
赌场在扑克室隔壁的房间里为像 Jen 这样的铁杆玩家提供了保险箱。
Can I get black?
我可以变黑吗？
Ira Glass She gets $40,000 in chips.
Ira Glass 她获得了 40,000 美元的筹码。
She only needs $15,000 for this game, but she's hoping that a bigger game starts up.
她只需要 15,000 美元来玩这个游戏，但她希望能推出更大的游戏。
Let's start something, Freddie.
让我们开始吧，弗雷迪。
Let's start something.
让我们开始吧。
Here's something I never would have guessed.
这是我永远不会猜到的事情。
The people Jen plays with are mostly other professionals.
和 Jen 一起玩的人大多是其他专业人士。
The same people, over and over, night after night.
同样的人，一遍又一遍，夜复一夜。
And then we go out afterwards and have a drink or we go bowling or we go to dinner.
然后我们出去喝一杯，或者去打保龄球，或者去吃晚饭。
So you guys are all pros and basically you're just taking each other's money?
所以你们都是专业人士，基本上只是拿彼此的钱？
Yes.
是的。
Well, there's usually like one or two people that aren't experienced and are from out of town, or are businesspeople that aren't as experienced.
嗯，通常有一两个没有经验的人来自外地，或者是没有经验的商人。
And they actually supply the game for everybody to make a good living.
他们实际上为每个人提供了游戏，让他们过上美好的生活。
Supply the game.
供应游戏。
A delicate way to say, they lose.
一种微妙的说法是，他们输了。
It turns out there are a lot of very rich guys who want the thrill of playing against the best in the world.
事实证明，有很多非常富有的人想要与世界上最好的球员对抗的刺激感。
Some nights the game has a minimum bet of $1,000.
有些晚上，游戏的最低赌注为 1,000 美元。
Other nights, it's $1,500 for one bet.
其他晚上，一次投注为 1,500 美元。
It's not unusual for Jen to lose $100,000 in a single night.
Jen 一晚损失 10 万美元并不罕见。
It's like normal, so you don't even think about it.
这就像平常一样，所以你甚至不去想它。
But you know, it's hard getting to this frame of mind.
但你知道，要达到这种心态是很难的。
Trust me.
相信我。
Because the first time I lost $3,000, I went home and cried like a baby.
因为我第一次输了3000美元，我回家哭得像个婴儿。
And I said, oh my gosh, that's the biggest loss I've ever taken in my life.
我说，天哪，这是我一生中遭受的最大损失。
When I lost $30,000, I couldn't sleep for four days.
当我损失了 30,000 美元时，我四天无法入睡。
When I lost $100,000 the first time in my life, I couldn't sleep for a week.
当我人生中第一次输掉 10 万美元时，我一周都无法入睡。
But then, the next time I lost $100,000 and the next time I lost $100,000, it's like your pain threshold just goes up.
但是，下次我损失 100,000 美元时，下次我损失 100,000 美元时，你的疼痛阈值就会上升。
Jen has made enough playing poker that she bought a new house, a huge house, with no mortgage.
珍（Jen）打扑克赚了足够的钱，她买了一套新房子，一栋大房子，没有抵押贷款。
She just wrote a check.
她刚刚写了一张支票。
Play at her level, she says, she's not comfortable without $2 million as her bankroll.
她说，按照她的水平，如果没有 200 万美元的资金，她会感到不舒服。
Most poker professionals, needless to say, play for lower stakes and make less money.
不用说，大多数扑克专业人士玩的赌注较低，赚的钱也较少。
A lot less money.
钱少了很多。
I asked many different players what they made at the very beginning of their careers and the answer was usually about $150 a night.
我问过许多不同的球员，他们在职业生涯之初的收入是多少，答案通常是每晚 150 美元左右。
Coincidentally, about the same as casino dealers make.
巧合的是，与赌场荷官的收入大致相同。
As you'd expect, poker is the kind of job where health insurance is sort of a problem.
正如你所料，扑克是一种健康保险存在问题的工作。
Even Jen, with all her money, is still on a family policy through her parents.
即使珍拥有所有的钱，她仍然通过父母接受家庭政策。
And how much skill does a person need?
一个人需要多少技能？
How much is luck a factor in all this?
这一切中运气的因素有多大？
Consider this story.
考虑一下这个故事。
At one point during the World Series of Poker, a pro named Linda Johnson and I are standing just a few feet away from one of the tables.
在世界扑克系列赛期间，我和一位名叫琳达·约翰逊 (Linda Johnson) 的职业选手站在离一张桌子仅几英尺远的地方。
The cards are dealt.
牌已发完。
The World Series, they play a kind of poker called Texas Holdem where each player just gets two cards, face down, and then five cards come face up in the middle of the table for everybody to share.
在世界职业棒球大赛中，他们玩一种叫做德州扑克的扑克游戏，每个玩家只拿到两张牌面朝下的牌，然后五张牌牌面朝上放在桌子中间供每个人分享。
Anyway, the cards go around and a guy in his 20s named Paul Phillips, makes the first bet on the hand, $7,000.
无论如何，牌转了一遍，一个名叫保罗·菲利普斯 (Paul Phillips) 的 20 多岁小伙子下了这手牌的第一个赌注，赌注是 7,000 美元。
A guy in a bush hat and sunglasses calls the bet.
一个戴着帽子和墨镜的家伙叫了赌注。
Puts in $7,000 of his own.
他自己投入了7000美元。
The dealer then lays out the first three face up cards, what they call the flop, in the middle of the table.
然后，庄家将前三张面朝上的牌（他们称之为翻牌）放在牌桌中央。
And Linda leans into my microphone.
琳达靠向我的麦克风。
The flop comes queen, nine, three.
翻牌圈是皇后、九、三。
Paul bet all in.
保罗全押。
Paul at least has a pair, I believe.
我相信保罗至少有一双。
I would think he has a queen.
我认为他有一个女王。
More betting happens.
更多的投注发生。
They flip over their cards.
他们翻转卡片。
Paul actually has a pair of aces.
保罗实际上有一对A。
The other guy has a pair of nines.
另一个人有一对 9。
Which, combined with the nine that's sitting on the table face up, gives him a set of three nines.
这与桌上朝上的 9 相结合，得到了一组 3 个 9。
Three of a kind beats a pair in poker, so Paul loses the hand.
在扑克游戏中，三同胜一对，所以保罗输掉了这手牌。
I can't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
Linda Johnson Paul's feeling a little sick about this one.
琳达·约翰逊·保罗对此感到有点恶心。
You're not supposed to lose with aces.
你不应该因为 A 而输。
Paul loses $20,000.
保罗损失了 20,000 美元。
The very next hand, each player gets his two cards face down.
下一手牌，每位玩家将两张牌面朝下。
There's a flurry of calls and raises.
有一连串的电话和加薪。
Raphael brought it in.
拉斐尔把它带了进来。
We've got some action here.
我们在这里采取了一些行动。
It was brought in for $7,000.
它以 7,000 美元的价格被引进。
Daniel called $7,000.
丹尼尔拨打了 7,000 美元。
Tony D re-raised.
托尼·D 再次加注。
He made it almost $80,000.
他赚了将近8万美元。
Paul just moved all in.
保罗刚刚搬进去。
Now, remember, Paul got two aces beat last hand.
现在，请记住，保罗在上一手牌中击败了两张 A。
A bunch of other people drop out, leaving just two people in the hand, Paul and the guy named Tony D.
其他很多人都退出了，只剩下两个人了，保罗和那个叫托尼·D.
Each of them has $72,000 in the pot, which is every last chip for Tony D.
他们每人的底池里都有 72,000 美元，这是 Tony D. 的最后筹码。
Because Tony D couldn't bet any more-- even if he wanted to-- they each flip over their two face down cards.
因为托尼·D 不能再下注了——即使他想——他们各自翻开了两张面朝下的牌。
Tony D has two jacks.
托尼·D 有两个 J。
Paul has two aces.
保罗有两张王牌。
Again.
再次。
Then the flop comes and another card.
然后翻牌出现，又出一张牌。
And then, the last card.
然后，最后一张牌。
It's a jack.
这是一个千斤顶。
Man 3 You've been flopping aces back to back.
男子 3 你连续在翻牌圈中连续掷出 A。
Painful.
痛苦。
Back to back he had aces.
背靠背他有A。
Once against nines, once against jack.
一次对阵九号，一次对阵杰克。
And both times they hit their miracle.
两次他们都创造了奇迹。
Make three nines and three jacks.
做出三个 9 和三个 J。
So he loses two pots in a row for a lot of money.
于是他连续输掉了两个底池，损失了很多钱。
That's a brutal beat.
那是残酷的打击。
Oh my God.
我的天啊。
Oh, Paul.
哦，保罗。
Oh my God.
我的天啊。
Paul's got to feel sick about this.
保罗一定对此感到恶心。
Paul's standing up now.
保罗现在站起来了。
He's in pain.
他很痛苦。
It's probably hard for him to breathe right now.
他现在可能呼吸困难。
Anyone who says there's no luck in this just doesn't understand.
那些说这没有运气的人只是不明白。
A few hands later, Paul's lost the rest of his chips.
几手牌后，保罗输掉了剩余的筹码。
Then his friend Melissa Hayden, a fellow pro, takes us to meet him in the casino bar.
然后他的朋友梅丽莎·海登（Melissa Hayden）也是职业选手，带我们去赌场酒吧见他。
What can you do?
你能做什么？
That's part of the game.
这是游戏的一部分。
It's just part of the game.
这只是游戏的一部分。
It's hard to describe.
很难描述。
When I saw that jack hit the table, I couldn't even see.
当我看到那个杰克击中桌子时，我什至看不见。
I went blind for a minute.
我有一分钟失明了。
It was like it couldn't actually be a jack.
就好像它实际上不可能是杰克一样。
It's as if you saw just something materialize out of thin air and said, that violates the laws of physics.
就好像你看到某个东西凭空出现，然后说，这违反了物理定律。
That couldn't have just happened.
那不可能是刚刚发生的。
This ball bearing just appeared in front of my face.
这个滚珠轴承就出现在我面前。
That's how that jack felt.
这就是杰克的感受。
Like it just simply couldn't have happened.
就像这根本不可能发生一样。
And then, standing in the bar, without notes, or pad, or paper, or anything, Paul calculates the odds that a person could get a pair of aces in two consecutive hands, and then lose both times.
然后，保罗站在酒吧里，没有笔记、便条、纸张或任何东西，计算出一个人连续两手拿到一对 A，然后两次都输的几率。
All right, well, the odds of getting a pair of aces.
好吧，好吧，获得一对 A 的几率。
You look at your first card.
你看你的第一张卡片。
It's 4 out of 52, which is 1 in 13.
52 个中有 4 个，13 个中有 1 个。
And then the next card, 1 out of 17 because there's 3 left.
然后是下一张牌，17 张中的 1 张，因为还剩 3 张。
3 out of 51.
51 中的 3。
13 out of 17 is 220:1.
17 中的 13 是 220:1。
So it's 220:1 against getting aces.
所以，拿到 A 的赔率是 220:1。
Then it's 220:1 against getting them the next hand too.
那么下一手牌的赔率为 220:1。
So we're looking at over 40,000 here because 200 squared would be 40,000.
所以我们在这里查看超过 40,000 个，因为 200 的平方就是 40,000 个。
So then we've got the odds of me having aces cracked back to back are 4 and 1/2 squared, which is about 18.
那么我们就得到了我连续爆出 A 的几率是 4 又 1/2 的平方，大约是 18。
Then we got 18 times 45,000.
然后我们得到了 18 乘以 45,000。
Brings us to right around a million.
使我们大约有一百万。
And it's definitely in the milliony ballpark.
这绝对是百万美元的数字。
What happened to me we call a 1 in a million beat.
我身上发生的事情我们称之为百万分之一的心跳。
This is the sort of moment that makes the aspiring amateur player feel suddenly awestruck and frightened at all the things that the professionals have running through their heads.
在这种时刻，有抱负的业余选手突然对职业选手脑海中闪过的所有事情感到敬畏和恐惧。
And this is just the odds of the game.
这只是游戏的赔率。
At the Bellagio, Jen is having a good night, catching good cards.
在贝拉吉奥，珍度过了一个美好的夜晚，并获得了好牌。
And the most noticeable thing about watching her play is that, like a great ballplayer, she does not seem like she's trying very hard.
观看她比赛时最引人注目的一点是，就像一位出色的棒球运动员一样，她看起来并没有非常努力。
All at the same time, she is watching the other players, figuring out what they have, calculating the odds in her bets, ordering hot tea, conducting an interview, chatting about her upcoming trip to Italy, making her own bets.
与此同时，她正在观察其他玩家，弄清楚他们有什么，计算她下注的赔率，点热茶，进行采访，谈论她即将到来的意大利之旅，自己下注。
Yep.
是的。
Ira Glass Jen says that the main difference between low stakes games and the higher stakes games that she plays at, is that the better players at the higher money levels, play a way more psychological game.
Ira Glass Jen 表示，她所玩的低赌注游戏和高赌注游戏之间的主要区别在于，在较高资金水平上表现更好的玩家会玩更多心理游戏。
Here's the kind of thing that she's talking about.
这就是她正在谈论的事情。
She knows that one of the guys in this game doesn't think much of women players.
她知道这个游戏中的一个男人不太看重女性玩家。
He thinks I'm the worst player in the world.
他认为我是世界上最差的球员。
That I don't play well.
说我打得不好。
I get the cards and I win with them and I'm just lucky.
我拿到牌并用它们获胜，我很幸运。
I mean, he just hates losing to a girl.
我的意思是，他只是讨厌输给一个女孩。
It just drives him crazy.
这只会让他发疯。
He can't see clearly when he plays me.
他玩我的时候就看不清楚了。
And it's been like that for years.
多年来一直如此。
And so, in one hand, she has terrible cards.
因此，一方面，她的牌很糟糕。
And though this guy raises the bet over and over, she bets him back.
尽管这家伙一次又一次地加注，她还是跟他打赌。
And she only wins in the end with a lucky last card.
而她最终只是凭借最后一张幸运牌获胜。
Oh my gosh.
天哪。
Ira Glass She collects the chips that she's won.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 她收集了赢得的筹码。
One of the guys at the table points at my microphone and asks her, would you have played that hand if the guy had a video camera with him?
桌上的一个人指着我的麦克风问她，如果那个人带着摄像机，你会打那手牌吗？
It wasn't a very good hand, let's put it that way.
这么说吧，这不是一手好牌。
I was just wondering.
我只是想知道。
Why would she play a hand like that?
她为什么要打这样的牌？
Well, the reason why she would play a hand like that has to do with that guy who doesn't think that women play good poker.
好吧，她之所以会打出这样的牌，与那个认为女性打牌不好的人有关。
She wants him to keep thinking she doesn't know what she's doing.
她希望他继续认为她不知道自己在做什么。
That makes them make the wrong decisions, stay in hands that he should never stay in.
这让他们做出了错误的决定，留在了他不应该留在的手中。
I wasn't supposed to win that hand.
我不应该赢得那手牌。
He had buried aces.
他埋葬了A。
I had a dead three.
我已经死了三人了。
And he was so much more of a favorite than I was.
他比我更受人喜爱。
But I also knew that I'd make more money in the future from him if I play that hand.
但我也知道，如果我玩那手牌，我将来会从他那里赚更多的钱。
So if I lost the pot, I took a small loss for how much I'm going to make in the future because he thinks that I play those kind of hands against him all the time.
因此，如果我输掉了底池，我会因为未来赚多少钱而遭受一点损失，因为他认为我一直在与他对抗时玩这种牌。
So it's like putting myself in a negative equity situation to make more money in the future.
所以这就像让自己处于负资产的境地，是为了将来赚更多的钱。
Many poker pros we met have no interest in other kinds of gambling.
我们遇到的许多扑克职业玩家对其他类型的赌博不感兴趣。
They don't exactly look at poker as gambling.
他们并不完全将扑克视为赌博。
Others gamble compulsively on all sorts of stuff.
其他人则强迫性地赌博各种东西。
One of the best poker players on the circuit is known to take his winnings and blow them at the craps table.
众所周知，巡回赛上最好的扑克玩家之一会拿走他赢得的奖金，然后把它们扔到双骰桌上。
During the World Series of Poker, at one of the breaks, producer Starlee Kine and I noticed Phil Gordon.
在世界扑克系列赛期间，在一次休息时，制作人 Starlee Kine 和我注意到了 Phil Gordon。
For Phil, betting is just part of life.
对于菲尔来说，博彩只是生活的一部分。
He bets on gin rummy.
他在金罗美牌上下注。
He bets on cribbage.
他在纸牌上打赌。
He bets on golf.
他赌高尔夫球。
He bets on backgammon.
他赌双陆棋。
I love gambling.
我喜欢赌博。
You know, I'll gamble on anything.
你知道，我愿意赌上任何事。
Like what?
比如什么？
What's the smallest thing you've ever bet on?
你赌过的最小的赌注是什么？
Well, I lost $5,000 in rock, scissors, paper last weekend.
好吧，上周末我在石头剪刀布中损失了 5,000 美元。
Wait, rock, scissors, paper.
等等，石头、剪刀、布。
You mean the--
你的意思是——
Rock, scissors, paper.
石头、剪刀、布。
The one, two, three.
一、二、三。
$5,000.
5,000 美元。
This guy turns out to be his friend Rafe, who travels everywhere with him, in a free-floating, vacation slash gambling trip that never ends.
这个家伙原来是他的朋友拉夫，他和他一起到处旅行，进行一场永无休止的自由浮动的假期斜线赌博之旅。
Rafe, who can somehow out-think and out-strategize Phil in rock, scissors, paper.
拉夫，在石头、剪子、布方面，他能以某种方式超越菲尔的思考和策略。
We've been playing rock, scissors, paper for 10 years and I've seen all the moves.
我们玩石头、剪刀、布已经十年了，所有的动作我都见过。
You think that there's just rock, scissors, and paper.
你认为只有石头、剪刀和布。
But when someone goes paper five times in a row, and you're like, OK, I know what he's doing next time, he's going paper.
但是，当有人连续五次写纸时，你会说，好吧，我知道他下次要做什么，他就会写纸。
He's trying to sucker me into thinking he's going scissors.
他试图让我以为他要剪刀了。
So you go rock and he goes paper again.
所以你开始摇滚，他又开始纸质。
It really can put you on the most serious tilt.
它确实会让你陷入最严重的倾斜。
Phil describes the strategy of rock, scissors, paper.
菲尔描述了石头、剪刀、布的策略。
And really, it's just like poker, he says.
他说，实际上，这就像扑克一样。
You only have three possible options.
你只有三种可能的选择。
In one game, it's call, or raise, or fold.
在一场游戏中，要么跟注，要么加注，要么弃牌。
In the other, it's rock, or scissors, or paper.
另一种是石头、剪刀或布。
And how both are pysch out games.
两者都是心理游戏。
And before I know it, we're in the casino bar and Phil is rock, scissors, papering Starlee for a drink.
不知不觉间，我们就到了赌场酒吧，菲尔正在用石头、剪刀、纸给斯塔莉剪纸，准备喝一杯。
She has just gone scissors followed by paper.
她先是先剪刀后布。
Which tends to lead me to believe that she's going rock next.
这让我相信她接下来会走向摇滚。
Just to do the full gamut of the moves.
只是为了完成全部动作。
But that might be too obvious for her, so she might double reverse me.
但这对她来说可能太明显了，所以她可能会双重逆转我。
OK, I can tell her what you're going to go and I'll make it--
好的，我可以告诉她你要去哪里，我会做到的--
OK, I'm going to go rock.
好吧，我要去摇滚了。
Man 7 Now you better win this.
Man 7 现在你最好赢下这场比赛。
I'm going to go rock.
我要去摇滚。
Man 7 I have money on you.
男人 7 我有钱给你。
I'm going to go rock.
我要去摇滚。
Ira Glass People start placing side bets.
艾拉·格拉斯 人们开始下注。
Phil looks right in Starlee's eyes as he declares he's going to go rock.
当菲尔宣布他要摇滚时，他直视斯塔利的眼睛。
And this totally psyches her out.
这让她彻底兴奋不已。
I promise you.
我向你保证。
Ira Glass Starlee gets this look on her face that says, is he going rock?
艾拉·格拉斯·斯塔莉 (Ira Glass Starlee) 脸上的表情仿佛在说，他要摇滚吗？
Wait, is he?
等等，是吗？
He did.
他做到了。
Ira Glass He goes rock.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）他摇滚起来。
She loses.
她输了。
Now I'm on the juice and I want to keep doing it.
现在我正在喝果汁，我想继续这样做。
Phil and Rafe were in computers, their companies went public, internet boom.
菲尔和拉夫从事计算机行业，他们的公司上市，互联网蓬勃发展。
You know the rest of the story.
你知道故事的其余部分。
Millions of dollars, no need to work.
几百万美元，不需要工作。
And they make a good case for why, given a choice of doing anything in the world, one might decide to play poker.
他们很好地解释了为什么在可以选择做世界上任何事情的情况下，人们可能会决定玩扑克。
It's a great life, Phil says.
菲尔说，这是一种美好的生活。
A constant field trip with your friends.
与朋友一起进行持续的实地考察。
Flying around the world, playing cards.
飞遍世界，打牌。
And hearing him and Rafe describe it is really like listening to the devil telling you to quit your job, don't heed the advice of your loved ones, turn your back on everything you have ever fought for or held dear, to come and live forever on the Island of the Lost Boys.
听他和拉夫描述这真的就像听魔鬼告诉你辞职，不要听从你所爱的人的建议，背弃你曾经为之奋斗或珍视的一切，来到失落男孩岛上永远生活。
Not that Phil doesn't see the downside of all this.
菲尔并不是没有看到这一切的缺点。
Well, I think that was probably the number one complaint of my ex-wife.
嗯，我想这可能是我前妻的第一大抱怨。
I wasn't able to grow up as fast as the love of my life wanted me to.
我无法像我一生挚爱所希望的那样快速成长。
So I always want to live a life of fun and excitement and adventure.
所以我一直想要过一种充满乐趣、刺激和冒险的生活。
I'll do pretty much whatever it takes to make sure that continues.
我将尽一切努力确保这种情况继续下去。
I mean, I have a failed marriage.
我的意思是，我的婚姻很失败。
I'd been married for six months.
我已经结婚六个月了。
I got married October 1 and we just split up about a month ago.
我于 10 月 1 日结婚，大约一个月前我们刚刚分手。
No, it's OK.
不，没关系。
I mean, it's very amicable.
我的意思是，这是非常友好的。
We just realized that our life goals are different.
我们刚刚意识到我们的人生目标不同。
Phil's moving to Las Vegas.
菲尔要搬到拉斯维加斯。
Where else can you get world class entertainment seven nights a week, he asks?
他问道，还有什么地方可以每周七个晚上享受世界一流的娱乐活动呢？
It's getting late.
天色已晚了。
Rafe turns to Phil before we go.
在我们走之前，雷夫转向菲尔。
$500 this won't make the air.
500 美元，这不会在空气中传播。
Phil Gordon What kind of odds are you willing to give me.
菲尔·戈登：你愿意给我多大的赔率？
How about you give me 3:2?
你给我3:2怎么样？
Phil Gordon My $750 to your $500 that we never make the air.
Phil Gordon 我的 750 美元到你的 500 美元，我们从来没有播出过。
You're on.
你开始了。
Ira Glass Sorry, Rafe.
艾拉·格拉斯 对不起，拉夫。
You lose.
你输了。
In the months since Starlee and I went to the World Series, we've both gotten hooked on poker.
自从斯塔莉和我参加世界职业棒球大赛以来的几个月里，我们都迷上了扑克。
She now plays in a weekly game.
她现在参加每周一次的比赛。
I've played nearly every night.
我几乎每天晚上都玩。
Sometimes with friends, sometimes on the river boats just 25 minutes from my office at the public radio station.
有时和朋友一起，有时在距离我公共广播电台办公室仅 25 分钟路程的河船上。
But most often, online for real money.
但大多数情况下，都是在线赚真钱。
Sometimes I'll be sitting in my office or out to dinner with friends, and I'll daydream about poker.
有时我会坐在办公室里或和朋友出去吃饭，我会做关于扑克的白日梦。
When poker's your job, apparently, you daydream about other things that gets taken from you.
显然，当扑克成为你的工作时，你就会幻想其他事情会被剥夺。
While Jen and Phil and Paul all still love playing poker, there are also guys like this longtime Vegas player.
虽然 Jen、Phil 和 Paul 仍然喜欢玩扑克，但也有像这位拉斯维加斯长期玩家这样的人。
My name is Mike Laing.
我叫迈克·莱恩。
L-A-I-N-G.
L-A-I-N-G。
My dad always told me the I is for intelligence.
我爸爸总是告诉我，“我”是为了智慧。
For you, after playing for so long, how often is it just like a job?
对你来说，玩了这么久，有多少时候就像是一份工作？
Every minute of it is a job.
每一分钟都是一份工作。
From the time I get up off my couch to where I have to go take a shower is a job.
从我从沙发上站起来到我必须去洗澡就是一份工作。
I don't feel like getting in the water, washing my hair, and taking a shower and getting dressed up and this and that and going out.
我不想下水、洗头、洗澡、穿好衣服，然后出去。
That's when the work begins.
那就是工作开始的时候。
Mike says that when he's playing poker, it is literally boring for him.
迈克说，当他玩扑克时，他真的很无聊。
In contrast to all these 20-something poker pros who are smart about their money and managing risk, Mike is old school.
与所有这些 20 多岁的扑克职业玩家相比，迈克是守旧派，他们对金钱和风险管理都很聪明。
He never read a book about poker.
他从未读过有关扑克的书。
Why read them when he plays against the guys who wrote the books?
当他与那些写书的人比赛时，为什么要读这些书呢？
He's the kind of gambler who recently bet $24,000 on whether a coin flipped in the air would come up heads or tails.
他是那种最近赌了 24,000 美元的赌徒，赌一枚硬币在空中抛掷是正面还是反面。
He won.
他赢了。
That's part of a gambler.
这是赌徒的一部分。
Then the next month you're broke.
那么下个月你就破产了。
And that's the way it goes.
事情就是这样。
It goes up and it goes down.
它会上升，也会下降。
Do you have a bankroll that you keep to protect you for a month, two months?
您是否有足够的资金来保护您一个月或两个月？
Well, see a lot of guys keep their bankroll, their gambling bankroll and their spending bankroll.
嗯，看到很多人保留他们的资金、赌博资金和消费资金。
Me, it's like my bankroll is whatever I have.
对我来说，就像我的资金就是我所拥有的一切。
It's always up for grabs.
它总是有待争夺。
Wow.
哇。
Mike Laing I'll flip a coin for it or whatever.
迈克·莱恩（Mike Laing） 我会用掷硬币的方式来决定。
Well, yes.
嗯，是的。
I have the heart to risk everything.
我有勇气冒一切风险。
If I think he's bluffing, I'll just move in on him.
如果我认为他是在虚张声势，我就会直接攻击他。
I'll just risk everything.
我会冒一切风险。
It doesn't matter.
没关系。
If you get broke, you get broke.
如果你破产了，你就会破产。
You just go on the next day, that's all.
你第二天就去，仅此而已。
One day Mike was walking by his 11-year-old son at home who was playing poker online.
有一天，迈克路过他 11 岁的儿子，他正在家里玩在线扑克。
Mike noticed his son had a killer hand, the best possible cards of anybody in that hand.
迈克注意到他的儿子有一手杀手锏，是这手牌中最好的牌。
Bets were happening.
赌注正在发生。
Mike suggested that his son raise.
迈克建议他的儿子抚养。
The son said, nah.
儿子说，嗯。
I don't want to lose the guy, dad.
我不想失去这个人，爸爸。
Meaning he didn't want the guy to fold.
意思是他不想让这个家伙弃牌。
He wanted to string him along, get more of his money.
他想欺骗他，从他身上得到更多的钱。
I'm thinking at 11 years old, to pick up this lingo and to realize this, I mean, he could have potential to be a great poker player.
我在想，在 11 岁时，学会这个行话并意识到这一点，我的意思是，他可能有潜力成为一名伟大的扑克玩家。
But I mean, it'd be nice for him to have that as a hobby, like a secondary thing.
但我的意思是，如果他能把它当作一种爱好，就像次要的事情一样，那就太好了。
I'd like to have him go onto college and be a doctor or a lawyer or something.
我想让他上大学，成为一名医生或律师之类的。
And would you be sad if he became a professional poker player?
如果他成为职业扑克玩家你会伤心吗？
I don't want him in it.
我不想让他参与其中。
I don't want him in it.
我不想让他参与其中。
I mean, I got a lot of friends all over the world and I got a lot of respect from friends all over the world.
我的意思是，我在世界各地有很多朋友，我得到了世界各地朋友的尊重。
And he'd have a lot of friends.
而且他会有很多朋友。
And he'd hear stories of his dad all the world, and I'm sure of that.
他会在世界各地听到他父亲的故事，我确信这一点。
Because I mean, I put some stories out there.
因为我的意思是，我在那里放了一些故事。
Not meaning to, but I've put out a lot of stories that people will be talking about for years after I'm gone.
我不是故意的，但我已经讲了很多故事，在我去世后很多年里人们都会谈论这些故事。
But I want him to have something else to fall back on that he knows is going to be there.
但我希望他有其他可以依靠的东西，他知道这些东西将会在那里。
Poker will bus you.
扑克将带你乘车。
It's built into the job that experienced players go on losing streak that last months.
经验丰富的球员在过去几个月中连续失败，这已经成为了工作的一部分。
No player can avoid it.
任何玩家都无法避免。
Think about what that does to you.
想想这对你有什么影响。
It makes you mean with your kids, your wife, or whoever you're with and you're irritable.
这会让你对你的孩子、你的妻子或任何与你在一起的人变得刻薄，并且你会变得易怒。
People come up to talk to you, you don't want to talk to them.
人们过来和你说话，你不想和他们说话。
You kind of like fly of the hand and say I'm sorry.
你有点像举手说对不起。
I had a bad day.
我度过了糟糕的一天。
You know it's supposed to all balance out, but it's like you think, God, why?
你知道一切都应该平衡，但你会想，上帝，为什么？
Why has it got to balance out now?
为什么现在必须平衡？
Why can't it balance out a little bit later or not so strong?
为什么不能晚一点平衡或者不那么强？
The night we went with Jen Harman to the casino she won $16,000 in two hours.
那天晚上，我们和珍·哈曼 (Jen Harman) 一起去赌场，她在两小时内赢得了 16,000 美元。
But she spent most of the last three months on a huge losing streak.
但过去三个月的大部分时间她都在经历巨大的连败。
She says it doesn't worry her.
她说这并不让她担心。
She knows it will change.
她知道一切都会改变。
When she first started playing poker, it was different.
当她第一次开始玩扑克时，情况有所不同。
She'd only been playing seriously for a year and a half when she went on a seven-month losing streak.
她才认真玩了一年半，就遭遇了七个月的连败。
You doubt yourself.
你怀疑自己。
I tried not to change my game for the worst.
我尽量不让自己的比赛走向最坏的情况。
And a lot of poker players, that's why poker's so difficult, and so many people can't be successful, is because they go through these losing streaks and they start to play really bad.
对于很多扑克玩家来说，这就是为什么扑克如此困难，很多人无法成功，是因为他们经历了这些连败，并且开始打得非常糟糕。
They really change their game for the worst.
他们确实改变了比赛最坏的情况。
I mean, you have to be robotic.
我的意思是，你必须是机器人。
And that's very difficult to do.
而这很难做到。
I don't know how many times I've said, man, I wish I was a robot.
我不知道我说过多少次了，伙计，我希望我是一个机器人。
Why can't I be a robot?
为什么我不能成为机器人？
No emotion at all.
完全没有任何情绪。
She keeps track of her wins and losses.
她记录自己的胜利和失败。
And in 3 of the 13 years that she's been playing, she took a loss.
在她打球的13年里，有3年她都输了。
She's gone broke once.
她曾经破产过一次。
Nearly gone broke a second time.
第二次差点就破产了。
This is all very sobering news for the aspiring professional.
对于有抱负的专业人士来说，这都是非常发人深省的消息。
I find it's hard to quit poker, though.
不过，我发现戒掉扑克很难。
Even though playing just these last few months, it's clear that I don't have a special gift for the game.
尽管我才玩了几个月，但很明显我对这款游戏并没有什么特殊的天赋。
I don't have the patience.
我没有那个耐心。
I get bored waiting for a good hand, and then play all kinds of cards I really should be folding.
我厌倦了等待一手好牌，然后打出各种我真正应该弃牌的牌。
This has cost me frankly, a bit of money.
坦白说，这让我付出了一些钱。
Another weakness of mine, I find I'm often more interested in knowing whether people are lying than I am in winning money.
我的另一个弱点是，我发现我通常更感兴趣的是知道人们是否在撒谎，而不是赢钱。
So if I have a pair of aces and then somebody keeps raising the bets as though they have a straight, or trips, or something that would beat my aces, the right thing to do would be to fold.
因此，如果我有一对 A，然后有人不断加注，就好像他们有顺子、三条或能击败我的 A 的东西，正确的做法是弃牌。
I like to flatter myself to think it's a reporterly instinct kicks in.
我喜欢自以为这是记者本能的发挥。
And then I simply want to know if they're bluffing.
然后我只是想知道他们是否在虚张声势。
And so I stay in.
所以我留在里面。
If they're bluffing, it's so interesting.
如果他们是在虚张声势，那就太有趣了。
It's so interesting how people act in different situations.
人们在不同情况下的表现非常有趣。
That is more interesting to me than winning the money.
这对我来说比赢钱更有趣。
Starlee says that when I say in like this, I'm basically a girl.
斯塔莉说，当我这样说时，我基本上是一个女孩。
You know, watching sports for the personalities rather than caring about who is going to win.
你知道，观看体育比赛是为了名人而不是关心谁会赢。
So I stay in.
所以我留在里面。
They are almost never bluffing.
他们几乎从不虚张声势。
Just about two weeks ago, I started lying about money.
大约两周前，我开始在金钱问题上撒谎。
I've been telling people that I'm down about $150 total for all this poker.
我一直告诉人们，我为所有这些扑克总共损失了大约 150 美元。
But really, it's more like $300.
但实际上，它更像是 300 美元。
OK, it's $350.
好的，350 美元。
That's bad, right?
这很糟糕，对吧？
The lying.
说谎的。
I asked Jen Harman how many hours an amateur like me would take to get competent at poker.
我问珍·哈曼（Jen Harman），像我这样的业余爱好者需要花多少时间才能胜任扑克游戏。
And she thinks for a moment and then says, 2,000.
她想了想，然后说，2,000。
2,000 hours.
2,000 小时。
Think of that.
想想看。
That's like a 40-hour-a-week job for a year.
这相当于一年每周工作 40 小时的工作。
I only have 1,930 hours to go.
我只剩下 1,930 个小时了。
Act three, Martha, My Dear.
第三幕，玛莎，亲爱的。
Well, David Rakoff is our third amateur today.
好吧，大卫·拉科夫是我们今天的第三位业余爱好者。
An amateur who set out on the quest to meet the pros, to get a question answered.
一位业余爱好者，开始寻求与专业人士会面，以获得问题的答案。
I have a cupboard in my living room, a freestanding armoire that holds, among a ton of other stuff, the following supplies.
我的客厅里有一个橱柜，一个独立的衣橱，除了大量其他物品外，还装有以下用品。
Six stamp pads, rubber linoleum printing blocks, seven boxes of Chinese flash cards, bindery fabric sample books from the garbage of the carpet and tile store on 20th, acrylic paints-- approximately 40 tubes-- rhinestones, pearl buttons, architectural balsa wood, pipe cleaners, and a tin cracker box of golf tees.
六张印台、橡胶油毡印版、七盒中国闪存卡、来自 20 号地毯和瓷砖店垃圾的装订织物样本书、丙烯酸颜料——大约 40 管——莱茵石、珍珠纽扣、建筑轻木、管道清洁剂和一盒装高尔夫球座的锡饼干。
Quantity, approximately 1,000 assorted colors.
数量，大约1,000种颜色。
I make stuff.
我做东西。
Boxes, lamps, mirrors, small folding screens, painted jackets for kids, that kind of thing.
盒子、灯、镜子、小屏风、儿童彩绘夹克，诸如此类的东西。
It's what I do in my spare time.
这就是我在业余时间所做的事情。
Some people need to exercise every day, my salvation lies in time spent alone with an X-acto knife and commercial-grade adhesive.
有些人需要每天锻炼，我的救赎在于独自使用 X-acto 刀和商业级粘合剂的时间。
During the act of making something, I experience a kind of blissful absence of the self and a loss of time.
在制作东西的过程中，我体验到一种幸福的自我缺失和时间的损失。
I almost cannot get this feeling any other way.
我几乎无法以其他方式感受到这种感觉。
Certainly, it never happens in my job in writing.
当然，在我的写作工作中，这种情况永远不会发生。
When seated at the computer, I have to either check my watch, eat something, call a friend, or abuse myself every 10 minutes.
当坐在电脑前时，我必须每隔 10 分钟检查一次手表、吃点东西、打电话给朋友，或者虐待自己。
By contrast, I once spent 16 hours making 150 wedding invitations by hand and was not for one instant of that day tempted to check the time.
相比之下，我曾经花了 16 个小时手工制作 150 张婚礼请柬，那天我没有一刻想看一下时间。
Is it possible for one's job to be an exercise in having that feeling?
一个人的工作有可能成为一种拥有这种感觉的练习吗？
Or does the act of doing something for money automatically rob you of that feeling?
或者为了金钱而做某事的行为会自动剥夺你的那种感觉吗？
For me, there was only one place where I could find the answer-- the crafts department of Martha Stewart Living magazine.
对我来说，只有一个地方可以找到答案——《玛莎·斯图尔特生活》杂志的工艺品部。
It's kind of messy.
有点乱。
David Rakoff You're the luckiest person I've ever met.
大卫·拉科夫 你是我见过的最幸运的人。
My voice is squeaking in Hannah Milman's office.
我的声音在汉娜·米尔曼的办公室里吱吱作响。
Hannah is the editor who heads up the crafts department, and her workspace has me green with envy.
汉娜是手工艺部门的负责人，她的工作空间让我羡慕不已。
There is the requisite desk with telephone and computer, but beyond that it's just an embarrassment of fantastic art supplies.
有必要的办公桌，配有电话和电脑，但除此之外，只有令人尴尬的精美艺术用品。
Numerous apothecary jars filled with sea shells, bags upon bags of quartz, polished oyster shells, beads, vintage rhinestones, spools of ribbon, silk flowers.
许多药剂师罐子里装满了贝壳、一袋又一袋的石英、抛光的牡蛎壳、珠子、老式莱茵石、丝带线轴、丝花。
It is an astonishing array.
这是一个惊人的阵列。
Did you blow these eggs yourself or did you get them--
这些鸡蛋是你自己吹的还是你得到的——
A lot of them, yeah.
很多，是的。
David Rakoff On one of the shelves is a series of decorated eggs that have been sawed open with the tiny bit of a dremel drill, painted, hinged, altered, and adorned in innumerable variations on opulence.
大卫·拉考夫 (David Rakoff) 其中一个架子上放着一系列装饰过的鸡蛋，这些鸡蛋是用小钻头锯开的，经过涂漆、铰接、改造和装饰，呈现出无数的华丽变化。
Hannah explains that these were created in-house for a feature the magazine did on how to make your own Faberge eggs.
汉娜解释说，这些是内部为该杂志制作的关于如何制作自己的法贝热彩蛋的专题而制作的。
When we did this costume story, one of our projects was a witch made out of plastic drawstring garbage bags, plastic drawstring garbage bags.
当我们制作这个服装故事时，我们的一个项目是用塑料拉绳垃圾袋，塑料拉绳垃圾袋制成的女巫。
The story was to do costumes out of found objects.
这个故事是用找到的物品制作服装。
No sew costumes.
没有缝制服装。
Hannah Milman The requirement is that they could not be sewn.
Hannah Milman 要求是它们不能被缝制。
So you're given a problem.
所以你遇到了一个问题。
That's the problem.
这就是问题所在。
Let's do it.
我们开始做吧。
That's a great idea.
这是个好主意。
So I went to go look for garbage bags.
于是我就去找垃圾袋。
And as everybody here does, you search for the perfect garbage with the right color drawstring and just the right sheen.
就像这里的每个人一样，您寻找具有正确颜色拉绳和正确光泽的完美垃圾。
So I was shopping and thought, there must be something else in the supermarket that would work as a costume.
所以我在购物时想，超市里一定还有其他东西可以用作服装。
It wasn't really coming to me, but then there were the coffee filters.
我并没有真正想到它，但还有咖啡过滤器。
And I thought, those could be those Elizabethan cuffs around your wrist.
我想，这些可能是你手腕上的伊丽莎白时代的手镯。
I said, I'm going to buy these.
我说，我要去买这些。
There's something there.
那里有东西。
They remind me of the cuffs.
它们让我想起了手铐。
It turned out, it was the perfect material.
事实证明，这是完美的材料。
You should have worn it for your wedding, it was so beautiful.
你应该在婚礼上穿它，它太漂亮了。
She regrets that.
她对此感到遗憾。
We have congregated in the main work room.
我们聚集在主工作室。
The project currently underway is-- not surprisingly-- Christmas ornaments.
毫不奇怪，目前正在进行的项目是圣诞装饰品。
Stalks of wheat have been soaked, folded, twisted, braided, and tied into an endless variety of shapes.
麦秆被浸泡、折叠、扭曲、编织、绑成无数种形状。
Then dusted with differing shades of brilliant metallic mica powder, which requires a respirator.
然后撒上不同色调的闪亮金属云母粉，这需要佩戴呼吸器。
The women who work here-- there is one man, but curiously his name is actually Megan-- seem more like rizdy hipsters than ice cream social soccer moms.
在这里工作的女性——其中有一个是男性，但奇怪的是他的名字实际上是梅根——看起来更像是时髦的时髦人士，而不是冰淇淋社交足球妈妈。
They all went to art and design school.
他们都去了艺术和设计学校。
They all seem to love their jobs.
他们似乎都很热爱自己的工作。
And they seemed to love them for a reason that's very familiar to me.
他们似乎出于我非常熟悉的原因而爱他们。
When you're making something, do you ever achieve this state of mind where you've lost time?
当你在做某件事的时候，你是否曾经达到过这种浪费时间的心态？
At 2 o'clock in the morning.
凌晨2点。
Woman 3 You get really flushed and excited.
女人 3 你会变得非常脸红和兴奋。
You go into a deep level of concentration really, is what it's all about, I think.
我认为，你真的会进入一种深度的专注状态，这就是它的全部意义所在。
You really do.
你确实这么做了。
You have to be able to concentrate really deeply to the point where you don't even realize-- you're not self-conscious about what you're doing anymore.
你必须能够真正高度集中注意力，直到你甚至没有意识到——你不再对自己正在做的事情感到不自在。
It's just flowing out of you.
它只是从你身上流出来。
The actual name for the state of mind that Kelly is describing is called flow, coincidentally.
巧合的是，凯利所描述的精神状态的实际名称称为“心流”。
It's a term you may have heard of without knowing where it came from.
您可能听说过这个术语，但不知道它来自哪里。
It was coined by the psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.
它是由心理学家 Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi 创造的。
For those of you not of Hungarian descent, let me say that name again.
对于那些非匈牙利血统的人，让我再说一遍这个名字。
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.
米哈伊·奇克森特米哈伊。
Csikszentmihalyi interviewed athletes, chess players, artists, rock climbers, and found that all of them, when engaged in the act of their choosing, spoke of reaching a level of engagement that is completely unself-conscious, removes them from their everyday worries, and alters their sense of time.
Csikszentmihalyi 采访了运动员、国际象棋棋手、艺术家、攀岩者，发现他们所有人在从事自己选择的行为时，都表示达到了完全不自觉的投入程度，将他们从日常忧虑中解脱出来，并改变了他们的时间观念。
I think the biggest challenge for us is that you have to have like insta-flow.
我认为对我们来说最大的挑战是你必须拥有像 insta-flow 这样的东西。
You have to make things.
你必须做一些事情。
You don't have a choice.
你别无选择。
That's what you're paid for.
这就是你得到报酬的原因。
That's what your job is.
这就是你的工作。
But has that corrupted flow in your life?
但你的生活中有这种腐败的流动吗？
When something becomes from avocation to vocation, from the thing that you love to do to the thing that you may still very well love to do, but the thing that you're paid to do, can you still create it for yourself?
当某件事从业余爱好变成职业，从你喜欢做的事情变成你可能仍然很喜欢做的事情，但你被雇去做的事情时，你还能为自己创造它吗？
Yes you can.
是的，你可以。
Yes you can.
是的，你可以。
But it takes a lot of discipline.
但这需要大量的纪律。
It takes a lot of discipline to keep-- you can't just sort of do it when you feel like it.
这需要大量的纪律来维持——你不能只在你想要的时候就去做。
Dream over.
梦完了。
I can't work here.
我不能在这里工作。
I just don't want to expand that kind of effort to get to a place that I can get to without any work at all.
我只是不想扩大这种努力去达到一个不需要任何工作就可以达到的地方。
Under that kind of pressure, I'm not even sure I could get there in the first place.
在这种压力下，我什至不确定自己能否到达那里。
To paraphrase that famous old saying, don't flow where you pro.
套用那句著名的老话，不要随波逐流。
Talking to these women, I do realize I have this in common with them.
与这些女性交谈时，我确实意识到我与她们有共同点。
We all make stuff.
我们都做东西。
We give most of it away as gifts.
我们将大部分作为礼物赠送出去。
And for the most part, none of us seems to have a terribly clear idea of what happens to all of it after that.
在大多数情况下，我们似乎都不太清楚此后会发生什么。
I have made and given away years and years worth of things, starting in earnest at least 15 years ago.
至少从 15 年前开始，我已经制作并赠送了很多年的东西。
Some of it to people who have moved almost that many times.
其中一些是针对那些搬家次数几乎如此之多的人的。
Others have gotten divorced or been widowed.
其他人则离婚或丧偶。
I've made things out of food, polyurethaned food, but food nonetheless.
我用食物做了东西，聚氨酯食品，但仍然是食物。
My hypothesis is that a lot of the things I've made spend a year on the shelf and are then consigned to the rubbish heap or the Goodwill or a box in the basement.
我的假设是，我制作的很多东西在架子上呆了一年，然后被扔进垃圾堆、善意组织或地下室的盒子里。
I decided to test my theory.
我决定检验我的理论。
Hey.
嘿。
David Rakoff Hi.
大卫·拉考夫 你好。
I have a question for you.
我有一个问题要问你。
You're being recorded right now.
你现在正在被录音。
Oh, for crying out loud.
哦，因为大声哭泣。
David Rakoff Do you remember that birthday-- it might have been your 30th birthday.
David Rakoff 你还记得那个生日吗——那可能是你的 30 岁生日。
Do you remember what I made you?
你还记得我给你做了什么吗？
Yeah, I have it right here.
是的，我这里就有。
David Rakoff You do?
大卫·拉考夫 你知道吗？
Yeah.
是的。
David Rakoff I'm surprised that Deb still has the box.
大卫·拉考夫（David Rakoff） 我很惊讶黛布仍然保留着这个盒子。
Especially so close at hand.
尤其是这么近在眼前。
What is it?
它是什么？
Deb It is a wooden-- is it a transformed cigar box?
Deb 这是一个木制的——是一个变形的雪茄盒吗？
And it's painted in various lovely pastel shades.
它被涂成各种可爱的柔和色调。
And then it's covered in Necco wafers.
然后用 Necco 晶圆覆盖。
And they're topped with [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
它们的顶部是[无法辨认]。
It turns out that she wasn't the only one who could describe the gifts in detail.
事实证明，她并不是唯一能详细描述这些礼物的人。
I call my friends James, Laura, and Margaret.
我打电话给我的朋友詹姆斯、劳拉和玛格丽特。
They also kept the things I'd made for them.
他们还保留了我为他们做的东西。
Not just kept them, but kept them out in their daily lives.
不仅保留它们，而且将它们排除在日常生活中。
On their bedside tables, in their hallways, on their children's backs.
在他们的床头柜上，在他们的走廊里，在他们孩子的背上。
In between phone calls, I postmortem with my producer Alex Blumberg.
在打电话的间隙，我和制作人亚历克斯·布隆伯格进行了事后剖析。
He recorded all of these calls.
他记录了所有这些电话。
He wasn't surprised at all that my friends kept the stuff.
他对我的朋友保留这些东西并不感到惊讶。
Because they love you and they're your friends and they're clearly-- you know, you're all very close.
因为他们爱你，他们是你的朋友，而且他们显然——你知道，你们都非常亲密。
And they're going to keep everything that you give to them because they like you.
他们会保留你给予他们的一切，因为他们喜欢你。
All right, what did you do with the little linotype that I left on your desk?
好吧，你对我留在你桌上的小排字版做了什么？
Fascinating.
迷人。
Alex Blumberg What did I do with the little linotype?
亚历克斯·布隆伯格（Alex Blumberg） 我对这个小排版做了什么？
I totally forgot that I was a gift recipient.
我完全忘记了我是一个礼物接受者。
I got to find it now.
我现在必须找到它。
You don't have to find it now.
你现在不必去找它。
This is the thing.
就是这样。
You really don't have to find it now.
你现在确实不必去找它。
Here's the thing.
事情是这样的。
On some level, I actually don't really care what happens to the things, so long as what doesn't happen is the following, which is that 20 years hence, when these people are sitting around with their families, their new families, their children, that the sort of mythology of the object is not, oh, this was given to us by that sad, lonely loser.
在某种程度上，我实际上并不关心这些事情会发生什么，只要接下来的事情不会发生，那就是20年后，当这些人和他们的家人、他们的新家庭、他们的孩子坐在一起时，这种物体的神话不是，哦，这是那个悲伤、孤独的失败者给我们的。
Do you know what I mean?
你知道我的意思吗？
Oh, he made us this thing, but he came to our wedding and got so drunk.
哦，他让我们变成了这样，但他来参加我们的婚礼并且喝得烂醉。
Alex really shouldn't feel bad.
亚历克斯真的不应该感到难过。
It's a lovely moment when I give somebody something and they're appreciative, to be sure.
当我给别人一些东西并且他们很感激时，这是一个美好的时刻，当然。
But in some ways, their reaction is beside the point.
但在某些方面，他们的反应并不是重点。
I'll make things anyway.
无论如何我都会做事。
On some level, me giving somebody something that I've made, it's almost the equivalent of your fitness nut friend coming into your living room, dropping and giving you 25, and then shouting, Happy Birthday!
在某种程度上，我给别人一些我做的东西，这几乎相当于你的健身狂朋友走进你的客厅，掉下来给你 25，然后大喊，生日快乐！
Who's really gotten the gift in a transaction like that?
谁在这样的交易中真正得到了礼物？
You tell me.
你告诉我。
David Rakoff is the author most recently of the book Don't Get Too Comfortable.
大卫·拉考夫 (David Rakoff) 是《别太舒服》一书的最新作者。
Original music for our poker story today by TRS 80.
TRS 80 为我们今天的扑克故事创作原创音乐。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our show by Mr. Torey Malatia.
[资金来源] Torey Malatia 先生对我们的节目进行 WBEZ 管理监督。
You know, all he says anymore is--
你知道，他现在所说的只是——
[SAYING RHYTHM] I'm Ira Glass.
[说节奏] 我是艾拉·格拉斯。
The I is for Ira.
I 代表 Ira。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。