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Prologue Ira Glass (HOST) IRA GLASS: From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life .
Prologue Ira Glass (HOST) IRA GLASS: From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life .
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And friends, let's begin.
朋友们，让我们开始吧。
Open your bibles, please, to the Book of Exodus , chapter 32.
请打开你的圣经，出埃及记第 32 章。
God has just brought the Israelites out of Egypt.
神刚刚将以色列人带出埃及。
He's heard their prayers.
他听到了他们的祈祷。
They are not slaves anymore.
他们不再是奴隶了。
They are in the desert.
他们在沙漠里。
Moses is now up on Mt. Sinai, where God is giving him the ten commandments, and it is taking a while.
Moses is now up on Mt. Sinai, where God is giving him the ten commandments, and it is taking a while.
And although evidence of God's existence couldn't have been clearer just days and weeks before-- he split the Red Sea for them, and they marched across.
And although evidence of God's existence couldn't have been clearer just days and weeks before-- he split the Red Sea for them, and they marched across.
He drowned Pharaoh's army for them.
他为他们淹没了法老的军队。
He punished the Egyptians with boils and locusts and frogs.
他用疖子、蝗虫和青蛙惩罚埃及人。
Even though God had done all that, now they're in the desert, Moses is gone, and it's been a while.
尽管神已经做了这一切，但现在他们在沙漠里，摩西已经走了，已经有一段时间了。
And in a certain way, in this moment, the Israelites are just like us, hapless idiots wandering around, wondering what their future will be, where their God is, if God even cares.
And in a certain way, in this moment, the Israelites are just like us, hapless idiots wandering around, wondering what their future will be, where their God is, if God even cares.
So they go to Moses's brother, Aaron, and ask him to make some gods.
于是他们去找摩西的兄弟亚伦，请他造一些神像。
He collects some gold, makes the golden calf.
他收集了一些黄金，制作了金牛犊。
God learns about it, and he is not happy.
上帝知道了这件事，他很不高兴。
Biblical scholar Pauline Viviano picks up the story from there.
圣经学者宝琳·维维亚诺（Pauline Viviano）从那里继承了这个故事。
God is going to kill everyone.
上帝会杀死所有人。
(SUBJECT) PAULINE VIVIANO: He tells Moses that he's going to wipe them out, and Moses intercedes.
（主题）PAULINE VIVIANO：他告诉摩西他要消灭他们，摩西出面求情。
It's one of the greatest dialogs of the Bible because Moses pretty much convinces God not to destroy the people because if he does so, he'll ruin his reputation as a God.
It's one of the greatest dialogs of the Bible because Moses pretty much convinces God not to destroy the people because if he does so, he'll ruin his reputation as a God.
People will say this Yahweh God, he just brings people out in the desert to destroy them.
People will say this Yahweh God, he just brings people out in the desert to destroy them.
So that if he wants to maintain his reputation, he better not wipe them out.
所以，如果他想保住自己的名声，最好还是不要消灭他们。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: God apparently decides that he wants to protect his reputation.
（主持人）IRA GLASS：上帝显然决定要保护他的声誉。
Or of course, being God, he has reasons for the whole thing that we will never understand.
或者当然，作为上帝，他对整件事有我们永远无法理解的理由。
Whatever, in any case, God has mercy.
不管怎样，无论如何，神都是怜悯的。
Only 3,000 people are killed.
仅3000人死亡。
The golden calf is destroyed.
金牛犊被毁。
And this turns out to be a lesson that happens again and again in the Bible.
And this turns out to be a lesson that happens again and again in the Bible.
(SUBJECT) PAULINE VIVIANO: It's made over and over and over and over again throughout the biblical text.
（主题）PAULINE VIVIANO：在整本圣经文本中，它被一遍又一遍地重复。
As soon as you get into the historical books of the Bible, the pervasive or the continuous sin of the people is that they worship other gods.
As soon as you get into the historical books of the Bible, the pervasive or the continuous sin of the people is that they worship other gods.
And so constantly, every catastrophe is understood in terms of Yahweh punishing his people for their failure to worship him alone.
And so constantly, every catastrophe is understood in terms of Yahweh punishing his people for their failure to worship him alone.
(HOST) IRA GLASS: The idea that you would have a God who does not want you to worship other gods, which seems completely normal to us, as best as anybody can tell, at the time of the Bible, that is a brand new idea.
(HOST) IRA GLASS: The idea that you would have a God who does not want you to worship other gods, which seems completely normal to us, as best as anybody can tell, at the time of the Bible, that is a brand new idea.
The people in that part of the world at that time mostly seemed to worship lots of gods, gods who did not care who else you worshipped.
The people in that part of the world at that time mostly seemed to worship lots of gods, gods who did not care who else you worshipped.
And it turns out that it is not an accident that it's a golden calf in this story that's being worshipped in this key moment in the desert.
And it turns out that it is not an accident that it's a golden calf in this story that's being worshipped in this key moment in the desert.
Here's professor John Spencer, who wrote the passage on the golden calf in the Anchor Dictonary of Theology.
这是约翰·斯宾塞教授，他在《神学主词典》中撰写了有关金牛犊的文章。
(SUBJECT) JOHN SPENCER: There were many traditions in the ancient Near East where people did indeed worship a calf or a golden calf or a bull.
（主题）约翰·斯宾塞：在古代近东有许多传统，人们确实崇拜牛犊、金牛犊或公牛。
There sometimes were calves that were made out of bronze.
有时还有青铜制成的小牛。
There were sometimes calves that had either a silver or a gold alloy put over the outside of them.
有时，有些小牛的外表会覆盖银或金合金。
And probably the story was intended to set the traditions of the Israelite people, the ancient Israelite peoples, apart from those who did indeed worship the golden calf.
也许这个故事的目的是将以色列人民、古代以色列人民的传统与那些确实崇拜金牛犊的人区分开来。
Indeed, at one point in the ancient Near East and ancient Israel, there was a division between the Israelites, between the northerners and southerners.
事实上，在古代近东和古代以色列，以色列人之间、北方人和南方人之间曾经存在过分歧。
And the northerners went off and continued to worship the golden calf.
And the northerners went off and continued to worship the golden calf.
(HOST) IRA GLASS: But the Bible that we have is actually the sacred text of the southerners, who hadn't gotten along so great with the northerners.
（主持人）IRA GLASS：但是我们拥有的圣经实际上是南方人的神圣文本，他们与北方人相处得不太好。
In the southerner's version of the story, the calf was clearly offensive to God.
在南方人的故事版本中，小牛显然冒犯了上帝。
But imagine, for a moment, the story told from the perspective of the northerners.
But imagine, for a moment, the story told from the perspective of the northerners.
(SUBJECT) PAULINE VIVIANO: At that period of time, the most normal thing would seem to be, well you worship a god who's in charge of fertility, and a god who's in charge of architecture and a god who's in charge of something else.
（主题）PAULINE VIVIANO：在那个时期，最正常的事情似乎是，你崇拜一个掌管生育的神，一个掌管建筑的神，一个掌管其他事物的神。
So you have these multiple deities.
所以你有这些多个神。
From their perspective, you need all the help you can get.
From their perspective, you need all the help you can get.
And worshipping a golden calf, that would be a fertility image, and fertility is what's going to be the most important thing settled in a land that is not very fertile.
崇拜金牛犊，那将是一个生育力的形象，而生育力将是在一个不太肥沃的土地上定居的最重要的事情。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Part of what the story of the golden calf is about is how, by and large, we want to worship false idols.
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Part of what the story of the golden calf is about is how, by and large, we want to worship false idols.
It is a deep impulse within us.
这是我们内心深处的冲动。
Pauline Viviano says that there are hundreds of years of religious icons and paintings and saints and all sorts of things that of course are not intended as idolatry, but that come perhaps from the same impulse, to see a representation of God right here in the world.
保琳·维维亚诺（Pauline Viviano）说，数百年来的宗教偶像、绘画、圣人以及各种各样的东西当然不是为了偶像崇拜，但它们可能来自同样的冲动，即在世界上看到上帝的代表。
All the way till today.
一路走到今天。
(SUBJECT) PAULINE VIVIANO: Now my family never did this, but I do know that some Italian families, they will bury a statue of St. Joseph upside down in the backyard if they want to sell their home.
（主题）PAULINE VIVIANO：现在我的家人从来没有这样做过，但我确实知道一些意大利家庭，如果他们想卖掉自己的房子，他们会在后院倒埋一尊圣约瑟夫雕像。
And the point is that if St. Joseph wants to get out of the ground, he will help in the selling of the home.
And the point is that if St. Joseph wants to get out of the ground, he will help in the selling of the home.
It's that kind of use of an image that is actually being forbidden in the Old Testament.
It's that kind of use of an image that is actually being forbidden in the Old Testament.
You're not supposed to control and manipulate the divine realm by the use of these images.
You're not supposed to control and manipulate the divine realm by the use of these images.
But people need tangible things.
但人们需要有形的东西。
We have medals.
我们有奖牌。
We have scapulars.
我们有肩胛骨。
We have all kinds of things because we are people enfleshed, and we like tangible signs.
We have all kinds of things because we are people enfleshed, and we like tangible signs.
And many people have sold their house very quickly after burying the statue in the backyard.
And many people have sold their house very quickly after burying the statue in the backyard.
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Well, today on our radio program.
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Well, today on our radio program.
people worshipping the golden calf today, bowing before worldly things when they should not.
people worshipping the golden calf today, bowing before worldly things when they should not.
Our program today in three acts.
我们今天的节目分三幕。
Act One, Bowing Before the Famous, the story about an accidental exchange of phone messages, one of the most famous singers in America and hundreds of people looking to be healed.
第一幕，向名人鞠躬，讲述了美国最著名的歌手之一和数百名寻求治愈的人意外交换电话信息的故事。
Act Two, Thou Shalt Worship No Other Trousers Before Me.
Act Two, Thou Shalt Worship No Other Trousers Before Me.
If you're enthralled to a pair of pants, is that necessarily such a bad thing?
If you're enthralled to a pair of pants, is that necessarily such a bad thing?
Is that so wrong?
这有那么错吗？
Act Three, Don't Have a Golden Cow.
第三幕，没有金牛。
A couple tries to get in on the San Francisco real estate boom, cash in, move up, with the sort of results you might expect even now, given the theme of today's program.
考虑到今天节目的主题，一对夫妇试图抓住旧金山房地产繁荣的机会，赚钱，升职，并获得你现在可能期望的结果。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Act One, Bowing Before the Famous.
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Act One, Bowing Before the Famous.
One way to measure the faith, the pure, old-fashioned faith that we put in celebrities, is to examine what we ask of them.
One way to measure the faith, the pure, old-fashioned faith that we put in celebrities, is to examine what we ask of them.
This next story is a vivid and rare glimpse of that, which comes to us only through a kind of accident and a series of phone messages.
This next story is a vivid and rare glimpse of that, which comes to us only through a kind of accident and a series of phone messages.
Ann Hepperman tells the story.
安·赫珀曼讲述了这个故事。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: I've known Josh since I was 16.
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: I've known Josh since I was 16.
We met at a wedding when my sister married his brother.
We met at a wedding when my sister married his brother.
Josh has been a Willie Nelson fan since he was seven.
Josh has been a Willie Nelson fan since he was seven.
His mother loved the Redheaded Stranger album, and played it all the time.
His mother loved the Redheaded Stranger album, and played it all the time.
Josh remembers listening to it while he waxed the living room furniture for a dime.
Josh remembers listening to it while he waxed the living room furniture for a dime.
He's been to dozens of Willie Nelson concerts, and 20 years after he first heard his music, Josh decided to pay tribute to his idol in a rather unusual way.
他参加过数十场威利·尼尔森的音乐会，在第一次听到他的音乐 20 年后，乔什决定以一种相当不寻常的方式向他的偶像致敬。
I had a roommate that was moving out, and the phone was under his name.
I had a roommate that was moving out, and the phone was under his name.
And so when we settled up the final phone bill and he moved away, we called the phone company to get the name changed and make sure the bill got to the right address.
因此，当我们结算了最终的电话账单并且他搬走了时，我们致电电话公司以更改姓名并确保账单到达正确的地址。
And the telephone service person asked me, "What name do you want your caller ID listed under?" And I thought to myself, hey, this is an opportunity to make that name say whatever I want.
电话服务人员问我：“您希望来电显示显示在什么名称下？” And I thought to myself, hey, this is an opportunity to make that name say whatever I want.
And so I said, "Let's have it say Willie Nelson." And she chuckled, and she said, "No really, what name do you want on your caller ID?" And I said, "Willie Nelson, that's one of my roomate's names." And so she did it.
And so I said, "Let's have it say Willie Nelson." And she chuckled, and she said, "No really, what name do you want on your caller ID?" And I said, "Willie Nelson, that's one of my roomate's names."她就这么做了。
I never fathomed that it would create inbound calls.
I never fathomed that it would create inbound calls.
(SUBJECT) CALLER MELISSA: Oh my gosh, your answering machine voice doesn't sound a bit like your singing voice.
(SUBJECT) CALLER MELISSA: Oh my gosh, your answering machine voice doesn't sound a bit like your singing voice.
This is Melissa.
这是梅丽莎。
Boy, I can't believe I found you.
男孩，我不敢相信我找到了你。
Really, I love every one of your songs.
真的，我喜欢你的每一首歌。
I have every album, every album.
我有每张专辑，每张专辑。
I cannot believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
Melissa, that's my name.
梅丽莎，这是我的名字。
I think that I wanted to do it not so people would think I was Willie Nelson, but so when I called out to other people, that on their caller ID it would show up and say, "Call from Willie Nelson." With the thought that I could somebody up and say, "Hey, I'm at Willie's house" and play a joke on my friends.
我认为我这样做并不是为了让人们认为我是威利·纳尔逊，而是当我向其他人打电话时，他们的来电显示上会显示“来自威利·纳尔逊的电话”。想着我可以有人站起来说：“嘿，我在威利家”，然后跟我的朋友们开个玩笑。
(SUBJECT) CALLER MELISSA: I'm calling this number again until I get you.
（主题）来电者梅丽莎：我会再次拨打这个号码，直到找到你为止。
Willie, I love you.
威利，我爱你。
I love you, Willie.
我爱你，威利。
I'm calling back.
我正在回电。
I am.
我是。
Since I was 16, you've been the only man.
从我16岁起，你就是唯一的男人。
I can't believe I found your number.
我不敢相信我找到了你的电话号码。
I cannot believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
You're probably singing somewhere right now.
你现在可能正在某个地方唱歌。
You're probably touring.
你可能正在巡演。
I can't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
I'm going to find out where you are.
我要去看看你在哪里。
Oh my God.
我的天啊。
Are you with Roland and the boys?
你和罗兰他们在一起吗？
I bet you are.
我打赌你是。
If you get a call in the middle of the night, answer it.
If you get a call in the middle of the night, answer it.
It's me.
这就是我。
I can't wait to talk to you.
我等不及要和你说话了。
I'm going to call back again till I get you.
我会再打过去，直到接到你的电话。
Love you, talk to you soon.
爱你，很快就和你说话。
Bye.
再见。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 1: Hi, I'm not for sure, and I know this is just way on out there.
（主题）来电者 1：嗨，我不确定，但我知道这就是现实。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 2: I was wondering if this was Willie Nelson.
（主题）来电者 2：我想知道这是不是 Willie Nelson。
Willie Q.
威利·Q.
Nelson, country singer.
尼尔森，乡村歌手。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 3: He's received some mail here, and it seems to be from an attorney.
（主题）呼叫者 3：他在这里收到了一些邮件，似乎是来自律师的。
(SUBJECT) CALLER LINCOLN: My name is Lincoln Stamper, and I live in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.
（主题）来电者林肯：我叫林肯·斯坦珀，住在威斯康星州奥什科什。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 4: Hallendale, Florida.
（主题）呼叫者 4：佛罗里达州哈伦代尔。
(INTERVIEWER) IGGY SCAM: Saskatchewan, in Big Valley.
（采访者）IGGY SCAM：萨斯喀彻温省，大山谷。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 6: Grumman, Mississippi.
（主题）呼叫者 6：密西西比州格鲁曼公司。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 7: Formerly known as Montana.
（主题）呼叫者 7：以前称为蒙大拿州。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 8: You rang me in 1991, and I want to return your call.
（主题）来电者 8：你在 1991 年给我打电话，我想回你的电话。
I'm sorry I'm a little bit late.
抱歉我来晚了一点。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 9: If you're the singer, the blessed songwriter and singer, please call me.
（主题）来电者 9：如果您是歌手、受祝福的词曲作者和歌手，请给我打电话。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 8: If you pack your dinner bucket, you can walk up here and stay all night.
（主题）来电者 8：如果你收拾好你的晚餐桶，你就可以步行到这里并过夜。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 10: You don't probably remember me but I'm from a long time back.
（主题）来电者 10：你可能不记得我了，但我是很久以前的人了。
OK, here's your number.
好的，这是您的电话号码。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 11: And if you would like to call my number collect--
(SUBJECT) CALLER 11: And if you would like to call my number collect--
(SUBJECT) CALLER 12: I was trying to get hold of Mr. Willie.
（主题）来电者 12：我试图联系威利先生。
Wasn't a big deal or anything.
没什么大不了的。
I just wanted to talk to him a few minutes if I could.
如果可以的话，我只想和他聊几分钟。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 13: I got a little song called "Deep Ellum Blues." And I'm going to blow the furniture off on it while you sing it.
（主题）来电者 13：我收到一首小歌，名叫“Deep Ellum Blues”。当你唱歌的时候我会把家具吹掉。
We're wasting time.
我们在浪费时间。
Call me back Willie if you hear.
如果你听到的话给我回电话威利。
I love you since 1976, "Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain."
I love you since 1976, "Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain."
(SUBJECT) CALLER 14: I'll talk to you later, bye.
（主题）来电者 14：我稍后再跟你说话，再见。
An inmate at the county jail.
县监狱里的一名囚犯。
To accept charges, press 0.
要接受费用，请按 0。
To refuse charges, press 1.
要拒绝收费，请按 1。
To prevent calls from this facility, press 6.
要阻止来自该设施的呼叫，请按 6。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: Josh saved the messages because he didn't know what to do with them.
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: Josh saved the messages because he didn't know what to do with them.
He didn't know how to get them to Willie Nelson.
他不知道如何把它们交给威利·纳尔逊。
He didn't have Willie Nelson's phone number.
他没有威利·纳尔逊的电话号码。
He tried to get it.
他试图得到它。
He just coulnd't.
他就是做不到。
Sometimes he was home when people called looking for the real Willie Nelson.
Sometimes he was home when people called looking for the real Willie Nelson.
At first, I just said, no, this isn't the Willie Nelson.
At first, I just said, no, this isn't the Willie Nelson.
And I would tell them, hey, maybe you should look on the back of your latest album and send a letter to the address on the album cover.
And I would tell them, hey, maybe you should look on the back of your latest album and send a letter to the address on the album cover.
But then, once in a while, I would take the call as if, yeah, you've reached the house of the Willie Nelson.
But then, once in a while, I would take the call as if, yeah, you've reached the house of the Willie Nelson.
I would say, he's on the road right now, but is there anything I can help you with?
I would say, he's on the road right now, but is there anything I can help you with?
And so we would get into a dialogue, and they would say, I can't believe that this is really the house of Willie Nelson.
And so we would get into a dialogue, and they would say, I can't believe that this is really the house of Willie Nelson.
And they would ask, who are you?
他们会问，你是谁？
And I would say, I'm just a friend hanging out at the house.
我会说，我只是一个在家里闲逛的朋友。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: Josh told me that over the three years he listed himself as Willie Nelson, he probably got some 500 calls.
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: Josh told me that over the three years he listed himself as Willie Nelson, he probably got some 500 calls.
Peak times were around Willie Nelson's birthday, April 29, the Fourth of July, which is the time of Willie's annual picnic in Luckenbach, Texas, and Christmas.
高峰时段是威利·纳尔逊 (Willie Nelson) 的生日前后，即 4 月 29 日，即 7 月 4 日，这一天是威利每年在德克萨斯州卢肯巴赫 (Luckenbach) 野餐的时间，也是圣诞节的时间。
People called from nursing homes and mental hospitals.
People called from nursing homes and mental hospitals.
They called sober, and they called drunk.
他们称清醒，也称醉酒。
They called needing something they thought Willie Nelson could give them.
他们称需要一些他们认为威利·纳尔逊可以给他们的东西。
A lot of people called needing something from Willie Nelson.
很多人打电话向威利·纳尔逊寻求帮助。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 15: Hey, hi You don't know me but--
（主题）来电者 15：嘿，嗨，你不认识我，但是——
(SUBJECT) CALLER 16: I'd like to talk to you a little bit about Thunder Child and if you have a couple of minutes to visit.
(SUBJECT) CALLER 16: I'd like to talk to you a little bit about Thunder Child and if you have a couple of minutes to visit.
(SUBJECT) CALLER 17: And I'm planning a music festival.
(SUBJECT) CALLER 17: And I'm planning a music festival.
(SUBJECT) CALLER 18: I could really use some help.
(SUBJECT) CALLER 18: I could really use some help.
(SUBJECT) CALLER 19: I need to find out about booking Willie for a big benefit.
（主题）来电者 19：我需要了解如何预订 Willie 以获得大优惠。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 20: It's going to be at the Grenderry High School.
（主题）来电者 20：地点将在 Genderry 高中。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 22: I have something amazing to show you.
(SUBJECT) CALLER 22: I have something amazing to show you.
(SUBJECT) CALLER 23: See what you might charge us to come up here and put on a little show for us.
（主题）来电者 23：看看您会向我们收取多少费用，让我们来这里为我们表演一场小表演。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 25: I need to talk big time, baby.
（主题）来电者 25：我需要说点大话，宝贝。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 26: Please call.
（主题）来电者 26：请致电。
I keep trying.
我继续努力。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 27: I'm trying to book Willie Nelson as the headliner.
（主题）来电者 27：我正在尝试预订威利·尼尔森（Willie Nelson）作为头条新闻。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 28: It's very important.
（主题）来电者 28：这非常重要。
I had some things that I wanted to talk to him about.
我有一些事情想和他谈谈。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 29: And also, I'm a songwriter, and if you're looking for any new material.
（主题）来电者 29：而且，我是一名歌曲作者，如果您正在寻找任何新材料。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 30: Please return the call.
（主题）呼叫者 30：请回电。
This is very, very important.
这非常非常重要。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: A few people just wanted Willie Nelson to remember the time they'd met.
（主持人）安·赫珀曼：有些人只是想让威利·纳尔逊记住他们见面的时间。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 31: I'm not sure I have the right number, and I don't want to seem like a groupie.
（主题）来电者 31：我不确定我的号码是否正确，而且我不想看起来像个追星族。
But if this is Willie, this is Nonie, N-O-N-I-E.
但如果这是威利，那就是诺妮，N-O-N-I-E。
And I worked at a farm with Bobby, and you came in and then we went to my apartment.
我和鲍比在一个农场工作，你进来了，然后我们去了我的公寓。
And I cooked you eggs and bacon, you and some of your band members.
我给你们、你们和你们的一些乐队成员煮了鸡蛋和培根。
And I just haven't had the guts to call you because I didn't want to seem like a nut, but I would really like to say Hi to you and Bobby.
我只是没有勇气给你打电话，因为我不想看起来像个疯子，但我真的很想向你和鲍比打个招呼。
Thank you.
谢谢。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: Then there were the calls that went beyond general requests.
（主持人）安·赫珀曼：还有一些电话超出了一般要求。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 32: Hi, this is [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
（主题）来电者 32：嗨，我是[无法辨认]。
I just want to talk to you.
我只是想和你谈谈。
I just want to talk to you.
我只是想和你谈谈。
I want to hear Georgia Goin' Down.
我想听乔治亚的衰落。
I just want to hear those songs.
我只是想听那些歌。
Please call me back.
请给我回电话。
(SUBJECT) CALLER 33: My name is Karen, and I live in Abilene, Texas.
（主题）来电者 33：我叫凯伦，住在德克萨斯州阿比林。
And I have words for a song, and I don't want anything.
我有一首歌的歌词，但我不想要任何东西。
I just want to hear it before I die.
我只想在死之前听到它。
And I work.
我工作。
I have to work.
我必须工作。
I have written words for a song, and I know that people will listen if you sing it.
我已经为一首歌写了歌词，我知道如果你唱它人们会听。
I don't want anything because I'm dying.
我什么都不想要，因为我快要死了。
I just want you to sing, or fix it to where it can be sung.
我只是想让你唱歌，或者把它固定在可以唱歌的地方。
I think that people connect him with kindness and gentleness, and they want to be soothed by him.
我认为人们将他与善良和温柔联系在一起，他们希望得到他的安慰。
And my feeling is that Willie probably gets more of these calls than your average celebrity because he is so kind and gentle and has that aura.
我的感觉是，威利可能比一般名人接到更多这样的电话，因为他是如此善良、温柔，而且有那种光环。
But I don't know what to do when I hear a call like that.
但当我听到这样的电话时，我不知道该怎么办。
Those are the calls that make me glad that I am not myself a celebrity.
这些电话让我很高兴我自己不是名人。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: On three occasions, Josh tried to forward important sounding messages to Willie.
（主持人）安·赫珀曼：乔什曾三次试图向威利传达重要的听起来不错的信息。
He'd go to a concert, work his way backstage, and give the information to a security person.
他会去听一场音乐会，在后台工作，并将信息提供给保安人员。
He never knew if the messages got through.
他永远不知道消息是否能传达出去。
(SUBJECT) KENNY MORRIS: Willie, this is Kenny Morris.
（主题）肯尼·莫里斯：威利，我是肯尼·莫里斯。
I live up in Gainseville, Texas.
我住在德克萨斯州盖恩斯维尔。
And I've been thinking a lot about you lately.
最近我一直在想你。
And my mother is in the hospital and she has liver disease.
我妈妈住院了，她患有肝病。
My wife died three years ago of liver disease.
我的妻子三年前因肝病去世。
And I've got some new ideas about how to help some people.
我对如何帮助某些人有了一些新想法。
And you probably have been feeling something pulling at you lately.
最近你可能一直感觉到有什么东西在吸引你。
So let's just talk about what this liver transplant program is about, and how we can administer to some of the patients that aren't as lucky as some of the other ones.
因此，让我们谈谈这个肝移植计划的内容，以及我们如何为一些不如其他患者那么幸运的患者进行治疗。
And I feel something here.
我在这里感受到了一些东西。
I feel like it's a new age.
我感觉这是一个新时代。
We need to figure out something to do.
我们需要想办法做点什么。
Thanks very much.
非常感谢。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: I was able to contact Kenny Morris, the man from this message.
（主持人）安·赫珀曼：我能够联系到肯尼·莫里斯，他是这条消息中的人。
He was surprised and embarrassed to get the call.
接到电话后，他感到惊讶和尴尬。
He hadn't told anyone about how he tried to reach Willie Nelson.
他没有告诉任何人他是如何试图联系威利·纳尔逊的。
When I told him Josh's phone listing was fake, he wasn't angry.
当我告诉他乔什的电话列表是假的时，他并没有生气。
He said it just seemed like a prank, although in his case, a rather cruel one.
他说这看起来像是一场恶作剧，尽管对他来说，这是一个相当残酷的恶作剧。
I asked him what he expected Willie Nelson to do when he received his call.
我问他接到电话后希望威利·纳尔逊做什么。
(SUBJECT) KENNY MORRIS: I expected a call back.
（主题）KENNY MORRIS：我期待着回电。
I checked my answering machine.
我检查了我的答录机。
It wasn't that I was going to be crushed if he didn't call back, but I wouldn't want-- that was my only choice.
并不是说如果他不回电话我就会崩溃，但我不想——那是我唯一的选择。
And I thought that it might hit some kind of a heart chord when he heard that message.
我想，当他听到这个消息时，可能会触动某种心弦。
I had this fantasy that he would come to the hospital and meet my mother.
我幻想他会来医院见我母亲。
And that I knew that she didn't have long to live, and I thought that's probably the best thing I could give to her if Willie Nelson would have come in there and sang her a song.
我知道她活不了多久了，我想如果威利·纳尔逊能进来给她唱首歌，这可能是我能给她的最好的东西。
So it's jumping out in faith, trying to reach for something that's unattainable.
所以它是凭着信心跳出来，试图去达到一些无法达到的目标。
But I still believe that you have to try.
但我仍然相信你必须尝试。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: Kenny says that looking back, he realizes just how crazy it was to think that Willie Nelson might come to his mother's bedside.
（主持人）安·赫珀曼：肯尼说，回想起来，他意识到威利·纳尔逊可能来到他母亲的床边是多么疯狂。
But he says that back we called, that was a state of mind.
但他说我们回电话时，那是一种心态。
He was grieving, and it made sense to him.
他很悲伤，这对他来说是有道理的。
Even though he didn't reach Willie Nelson, even though he never heard back, even though he actually had the wrong guy, he says the call might have done him some good.
尽管他没有联系到威利·尼尔森，尽管他从未收到回音，尽管他实际上找错了人，但他说这个电话可能对他有一些好处。
(SUBJECT) KENNY MORRIS: It helped me.
（主题）肯尼·莫里斯：这对我有帮助。
I mean that probably took up a bad evening from me.
我的意思是，这可能让我度过了一个糟糕的夜晚。
I was probably in a pretty lousy state.
我的状态可能很糟糕。
I had just left the hospital.
我刚刚出院。
I was just realizing that my mother's fixing to die of the same thing that my wife just died of.
我刚刚意识到我的母亲也注定会死于我妻子刚刚去世的同样的事情。
And finding that telephone number and being able to leave that message, it probably helped me.
找到那个电话号码并能够留下这条信息，这可能对我有帮助。
It probably gave me a little time for my mind to cool off that night and probably allowed me to get a night's sleep.
那天晚上，这可能给了我一点时间让我的思绪冷静下来，也可能让我睡了一夜。
Yeah, I think it helped.
是的，我认为这有帮助。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: I don't think Josh would ever admit this, but I think that he liked getting Willie Nelson's calls.
（主持人）安·赫珀曼：我认为乔什不会承认这一点，但我认为他喜欢接到威利·尼尔森的电话。
But as Willie Nelson sings in the song, "My heroes have always been cowboys, who don't hold onto nothing too long."
但正如威利·尼尔森在歌曲中所唱的那样，“我的英雄一直是牛仔，他们不会坚持太久。”
I came home from work one day to find my answering machine light blinking like it frequently is.
有一天，我下班回家，发现我的答录机灯像平常一样闪烁。
And hit play, and the first message that came out, immediately I recognized the voice.
然后点击播放，第一条消息出来后，我立即认出了那个声音。
(SUBJECT) WILLIE NELSON: Hi, yeah, this is Willie Nelson.
（主题）威利·纳尔逊：嗨，是的，我是威利·纳尔逊。
And I was just, out of curiosity, wondering what your real name is, if it really is Willie Nelson, since there's not many of us left.
我只是出于好奇，想知道你的真名是什么，是否真的是威利·纳尔逊，因为我们剩下的人不多了。
Maybe you could give me a call.
也许你可以给我打电话。
Thanks a lot.
多谢。
Have a nice day.
祝你今天过得愉快。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: In a way, this is a fan's best and worst case scenario, both at the same time.
（主持人）安·赫珀曼：在某种程度上，这是粉丝最好和最坏的情况，两者同时发生。
Your idol wants to meet you, but he's mad at you.
你的偶像想见你，但他对你很生气。
The nicest guy in North America hates one person, and it's you.
北美最好的人讨厌一个人，那就是你。
I caught up with Willie Nelson after a concert in Baltimore for a very rushed interview in his tour bus.
在巴尔的摩的一场音乐会结束后，我在他的旅游巴士上对威利·尼尔森进行了一次非常匆忙的采访。
He just wanted to make one thing clear.
他只是想澄清一件事。
(SUBJECT) WILLIE NELSON: It's just none of this guy's business about what these people are telling me.
（主题）威利·尼尔森：这些人告诉我的事情与这个人无关。
Turn it around.
把它转过来。
How would you like for people to be picking up your messages?
您希望人们如何接收您的消息？
It's personal.
这是个人的。
It's just not anything I would like to see happen again.
这不是我愿意看到再次发生的事情。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: When the two men eventually spoke on the phone, Josh apologized.
（主持人）安·赫珀曼：当这两个人最终通电话时，乔什道歉了。
Willie was polite and invited Josh to meet him after a show in Austin.
威利很有礼貌，邀请乔什在奥斯汀演出结束后与他见面。
Josh met him backstage.
乔什在后台遇见了他。
Willie was gracious and forgiving.
威利是一个和蔼可亲、宽容的人。
He asked Josh to stop.
他要求乔什停下来。
And so he did.
他也这么做了。
But for Josh, things were different.
但对于乔什来说，情况有所不同。
I guess I preferred the relationship we had prior to that where it was more of fan and icon.
我想我更喜欢我们之前的关系，更多的是粉丝和偶像。
I could still look up to him, and it was still an untouchable.
我仍然可以仰视他，而且仍然是一个不可触碰的人。
I have tried to listen to the albums and not think about the phone number.
我试着听专辑而不去想电话号码。
And I've been somewhat successful.
我已经取得了一些成功。
Certainly I got to meet him face to face.
当然，我必须面对面地见到他。
We got to talk and connect, but would I give that all up for a return to the fantasy?
我们必须交谈和联系，但我会放弃这一切以回归幻想吗？
Maybe I would.
也许我会的。
(HOST) ANN HEPPERMAN: Unlike a lot of fans who called Josh's phone number, Josh never wanted anything from Willie Nelson.
（主持人）安·赫珀曼：与许多拨打乔什电话号码的粉丝不同，乔什从未想要从威利·尼尔森那里得到任何东西。
But by listing himself as Willie Nelson in the Austin phone book, he unwittingly put himself in a situation where he eventually was forced to see Willie Nelson as a man, not as a celebrity.
但通过在奥斯汀电话簿中将自己列为威利·纳尔逊，他无意中将自己置于这样一种境地：他最终被迫将威利·纳尔逊视为一个人，而不是一个名人。
And the fact is, Josh liked it better when he could just see Willie as a legend.
事实上，乔什更喜欢将威利视为传奇人物。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Ann Hepperman lives in Flagstaff.
（主持人）IRA GLASS：安·赫珀曼住在弗拉格斯塔夫。
[MUSIC - "HAND ON THE WHEEL" BY WILLIE NELSON]
[音乐 - 威利·尼尔森的《手在方向盘上》]
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Act Two, Thou Shalt Have No Other Pants Before Me.
（主持人）IRA GLASS：第二幕，在我之前你不能有其他裤子。
How much power can a pair of trousers have over us?
一条裤子对我们到底能有多大的力量？
Kate met Joel in 1990.
凯特于 1990 年认识了乔尔。
They were both working in a psychiatric hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts.
他们都在马萨诸塞州贝尔蒙特的一家精神病医院工作。
From the moment they met, Joel liked Kate, Kate liked Joel.
从他们认识的那一刻起，乔尔就喜欢凯特，凯特也喜欢乔尔。
But as things happen, it took awhile for each of them to figure this out, the mutual liking.
但随着事情的发生，他们每个人都花了一段时间才弄清楚这一点，即相互的喜好。
and Kate spent a certain amount of time figuring out how to get in good with Joel.
凯特花了一定的时间思考如何与乔尔相处融洽。
I mean, the embarrassing thing is that basically I would check the schedule at the hospital each week, and look ahead to the seven days and find shifts when I was working with Joel.
我的意思是，令人尴尬的是，基本上我每周都会检查医院的日程安排，并展望这 7 天，并在我和乔尔一起工作时找到轮班。
And then plan my outfits accordingly because I really wanted to look cute.
然后相应地计划我的服装，因为我真的想看起来很可爱。
And one of the things that I always relied on was that I had this pair of jeans that I thought looked really good on me.
我一直依赖的一件事是我拥有这条我认为非常适合我的牛仔裤。
And I would purposely save the jeans, after laundry, to the day when I knew I was going to be working with Joel so that I would look real fine in front of Joel.
洗完后我会故意把牛仔裤留到我知道我要和乔尔一起工作的那一天，这样我在乔尔面前就会看起来很漂亮。
She did have this one pair of pants that I wasn't totally crazy about.
她确实有一条我不太喜欢的裤子。
The pants seemed not in fitting with the rest of her, and so it always threw me for a moment.
这条裤子似乎与她的其他部分不合身，所以总是让我感到困惑。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: Describe the pants, please.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：请描述一下这条裤子。
Well, they were acid washed.
好吧，他们被酸洗了。
Kate They were awesome.
凯特 他们太棒了。
I loved them.
我爱他们。
They were acid-washed denim, speckly white, tapered at the bottom at the ankle.
它们是酸洗牛仔布，有斑点的白色，脚踝处底部逐渐变细。
And a little bit, not balloonish but a little puffy.
还有一点点，不是气球状，而是有点浮肿。
And they ballooned out in the thighs in a sort of jaud Paris way.
他们的大腿像巴黎人那样膨胀起来。
And the really crazy part was what happened up near the top.
真正疯狂的部分是在顶部附近发生的事情。
They had this fold over front area.
他们在前面区域有这样的折叠。
The feature of the pants that I thought made them really amazing is that they had at the top-- you have to try to picture this.
我认为这条裤子真正令人惊奇的一个特点是它们在顶部——你必须尝试想象这一点。
They came up pretty high on your waist, like a good, gosh, four inches above your belly button.
它们在你的腰部相当高，就像一个好东西，天哪，距离你的肚脐有四英寸。
But at the very top of them in the front, they rolled over into this flap, this big flap.
但在它们前面的最顶部，它们滚进了这个挡板，这个大挡板。
And they were very cool.
他们非常酷。
There was a lot going on in these jeans.
这些牛仔裤发生了很多事情。
I don't want to pretend like I'm some incredible fashion maven.
我不想假装自己是一个令人难以置信的时尚专家。
I'm not.
我不是。
But these were not a good-looking pair of pants.
但这不是一条好看的裤子。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: What was the original context of these pants?
（采访者） IRA GLASS：这条裤子的最初背景是什么？
I'm picturing a Boy George concert, maybe The Cure?
我正在想象一场 Boy George 音乐会，也许是 The Cure？
Exactly, yeah, you got the timing right.
没错，是的，你的时机恰到好处。
I bought them at this store.
我在这家商店买的。
I remember now, I bought them at a store in Boston.
我现在想起来了，我是在波士顿的一家商店买的。
I bought them probably late '80s or '87, something like that, in this store that was very just '80s Boston clothes, which is just a certain look.
我买的可能是 80 年代末或 87 年代的衣服，类似的东西，在这家商店里，只有 80 年代的波士顿衣服，这只是一种特定的外观。
I mean it's definitely got a little of the Bananarama thing going on, a little but of Boy George.
我的意思是，它肯定有一点香蕉那拉玛的味道，一点点乔治男孩的味道。
But I'm still dragging them out at this point because I'm thinking they look so good on me, and I like them so much.
但我现在仍然把它们拖出来，因为我觉得它们穿在我身上很好看，而且我非常喜欢它们。
So one of my strategies was I'd see if we were working evening shift together because an evening shift meant we were more likely, as a group of people, to go out for a beer after.
所以我的策略之一是看看我们是否一起上夜班，因为夜班意味着我们作为一群人更有可能在结束后出去喝杯啤酒。
And that would be a golden opportunity to wear the pants because you'd wear them, and then you're going to be out afterwards in a bar.
那将是穿裤子的绝佳机会，因为你会穿上它们，然后你就会去酒吧。
And it's just like, I've got a whole evening of these pants at that point, and I know I'm going to be just golden.
就像，我整个晚上都穿着这条裤子，我知道我会变得金色。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: Do you remember any key dates where you wore the pants?
（采访者） IRA GLASS：您还记得您穿这条裤子的重要日子吗？
A key date?
关键日期？
The first night when it became apparent that Joel was interested in me was a night we had an evening shift.
乔尔明显对我感兴趣的第一个晚上是我们上夜班的那个晚上。
And then a bunch of us went to this bar, and the group started dwindling and dwindling and dwindling until it was left with just me and Joel.
然后我们一群人去了这个酒吧，人数开始减少，直到只剩下我和乔尔。
And I was wearing the pants that night.
那天晚上我穿着这条裤子。
And it was a very successful night because that was the night when he was making eyes at me, and I could tell this is going to go somewhere.
这是一个非常成功的夜晚，因为那天晚上他向我投来了眼神，我可以预见这将会发生。
He's going to ask me out.
他要约我出去。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: Really, so the actual night that you turned the corner with your husband and the father of your child, you were wearing the pants?
（采访者） IRA GLASS：真的，所以在你与你的丈夫和孩子的父亲一起度过的那个晚上，你就穿着这条裤子？
Yes I was.
是的，我是。
That's right.
这是正确的。
Ira Glass (INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: That was the pivotal night on which your life turned from what it was to what it is.
Ira Glass（采访者） IRA GLASS：那是一个关键的夜晚，你的生活从原来的样子转变为现在的样子。
That's right, that's right.
没错，没错。
Well said.
说得好。
Joel and I began dating, and I'm just very, very happy at this point because he's just a wonderful person.
乔尔和我开始约会，此时我非常非常高兴，因为他是一个很棒的人。
And I can't believe it's worked out, and we start dating.
我不敢相信这一切竟然成功了，我们开始约会。
So we're going along, and we're working together and dating.
所以我们一起前进，一起工作，一起约会。
And it's reached-- I'd say we're at about four months at this point.
它已经达到了——我想说我们现在大约有四个月的时间。
So we've been dating for about four months, but it's at that point where relationships get where I think it's not super serious yet, but you know that this is going to keep going and this has a lot of potential.
我们已经约会了大约四个月，但正是在这个时候，关系才达到了我认为还不是非常严重的程度，但你知道这会继续下去，而且有很大的潜力。
You're both clearly very into each other.
你们俩显然都很相爱。
So we're at that point, about four months, and Joel was actually over at my apartment.
所以我们到了那个时候，大约四个月，乔尔实际上在我的公寓。
Kate's in her bedroom at her apartment, going through her clothes and figuring out which ones she should keep and which ones she should give to Salvation Army.
凯特在她公寓的卧室里，检查她的衣服，弄清楚哪些应该保留，哪些应该送给救世军。
And I opened up my drawer where I keep my pants and lifted the denim, the stonewashed pants out of the drawer, not at all because I was considering sending them to Salvation Army, but only because I had to move them to find the pants on the bottom of the drawer that of course I might send to Salvation Army.
我打开放裤子的抽屉，把牛仔裤、石洗裤子从抽屉里拿出来，这并不是因为我正在考虑把它们送到救世军，而是因为我必须把它们搬到抽屉底部才能找到裤子，当然我可能会把它们送到救世军。
And as I pulled the pants out the drawer, Joel, sitting on the bed, sat there a minute and cleared his throat and said--
当我把裤子从抽屉里拿出来时，乔尔坐在床上，坐了一会儿，清了清嗓子，说道——
"You sure you want to keep those pants?" And she stops and looks at me and says, "Well, yeah.
“你确定要保留这条裤子吗？”她停下来看着我说：“嗯，是的。
Of course, I mean I think I do, why?
当然，我的意思是我认为我这样做，为什么？
And so I say, "Well, you know, I just think those pants are maybe a little bit out of style now."
所以我说，“嗯，你知道，我只是觉得这条裤子现在可能有点过时了。”
He said, "Well, do you think maybe they're just not in so much style anymore?"
他说：“好吧，你认为也许他们不再那么有风格了？”
And as the words are coming out, I see Kate's face flushing, becoming pinker and then red.
当这句话说出来时，我看到凯特的脸涨得通红，变得更粉红，然后又红了。
And I was like, what?
我当时想，什么？
Joel She's holding them in her hand, and looking at them, and looking at me, and looking back down at them.
乔尔 她手里拿着它们，看着它们，又看着我，又低头看着它们。
And I realize these aren't just another pair of pants.
我意识到这不仅仅是另一条裤子。
These were the special pants.
这是特殊的裤子。
And then i mean it's a very uncomfortable situation for me because a, again, I'm not a particularly fashionable guy myself so I probably don't have any right saying this to anybody.
然后我的意思是，这对我来说是一个非常不舒服的情况，因为我自己也不是一个特别时尚的人，所以我可能没有权利对任何人这么说。
But then b, this is the woman who I've really fallen in love with.
但话说回来，这才是我真正爱上的女人。
And this is one of the first moments when I've had to say to her, there's something about you, or something connected to you that I don't like.
这是我第一次不得不对她说，你身上有一些东西，或者与你有关的东西，我不喜欢。
I couldn't believe it that these pants that I'd been purposely wearing in front of him for so many times and I thought had done such a good job for me-- and he was now saying I should put them in a bag and put them on the curb, basically.
我简直不敢相信，我在他面前特意穿了这么多次的裤子，我认为它对我来说非常有用——而他现在说我应该把它们放在袋子里，然后放在路边，基本上。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: You thought that the pants had actually done a job on him.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：你认为这条裤子实际上对他起了作用。
You thought the pants were part of your arsenal and part of your power over him.
你认为这条裤子是你武器库的一部分，也是你对他的权力的一部分。
I knew that they were part of what made me look foxy.
我知道它们是让我看起来很狡猾的部分原因。
And there he was basically-- four months into it where it had worked, we were together, and he was saying the pants are awful.
基本上，他就在那里——四个月后，我们在一起，他说这条裤子很糟糕。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: You know we're doing our show this week on the idea of the golden calf, the story of the golden calf from the Bible.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：你知道，我们本周的节目是关于金牛犊的想法，即圣经中金牛犊的故事。
And I feel like that story raises this question of, is the act of worshiping something, does that have value in and of itself even if you're worshipping the wrong thing?
我觉得这个故事提出了这样一个问题：崇拜某种东西的行为本身是否有价值，即使你崇拜的是错误的东西？
Right, well, I think when I talk about it with you, it makes me think yes, because by worshipping the pants, they gave me confidence, which gave me, I think, some degree maybe of attractiveness to this person who ultimately I was trying to attract.
是的，好吧，我想当我和你谈论这件事时，这让我觉得是的，因为通过崇拜裤子，它们给了我信心，这给了我，我想，这对我最终想要吸引的这个人来说可能有一定程度的吸引力。
Because clearly when I was walking around in those pants, I feeling pretty confident.
因为显然当我穿着这条裤子走来走去时，我感觉非常自信。
I thought I looked great.
我觉得我看起来很棒。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: And you felt that way because of the pants?
（采访者） IRA GLASS：你是因为这条裤子才有这种感觉吗？
(SUBJECT) KATE: At times, yeah.
（主题）凯特：有时，是的。
Haven't you ever worn something and just thought, I look good right now?
你有没有穿过一些东西然后想，我现在看起来很好？
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: Do you think you could have gotten Joel without the pants?
（采访者） IRA GLASS：你认为不穿裤子你能得到乔尔吗？
Wow, gosh.
哇，天哪。
I hate to even have to think about it Ira.
我什至不愿意去想它，艾拉。
I don't know.
我不知道。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: You think the pants were that big of a factor?
（采访者） IRA GLASS：你认为裤子是一个重要因素吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I mean it's been 11 years, but maybe those pants had something to do with it.
我的意思是已经过去 11 年了，但也许那条裤子和这有关系。
I'd have to ask him.
我得问他。
I'd have to ask him.
我得问他。
I would have fallen for her if she were showing up in Garanimals everyday, say, or leisure suits or something.
如果她每天都穿着 Garanimals 出现，比如说，或者休闲套装什么的，我就会爱上她。
I mean as anybody knows who's ever fallen in love, you idolize the person you're falling in love with.
我的意思是，正如任何人都知道谁曾坠入爱河，你会崇拜你所爱的人。
And in those early days particularly, they feel perfect to you.
尤其是在最初的日子里，它们对你来说是完美的。
And then you start asking yourself all sorts of questions.
然后你开始问自己各种各样的问题。
All sorts of insecurities come up.
各种不安全感都会出现。
Why would this perfect person necessarily fall for me and accept me and want to be with me?
为什么这个完美的人一定会爱上我、接受我、想要和我在一起？
But then when you discover a chink in that person's perfection, when you find a flaw, in this case Kate had bad taste at least in this one pair of pants, then it somehow makes you feel a little bit more comfortable.
但是，当你发现那个人的完美中存在缺陷时，当你发现一个缺陷时，在这种情况下，凯特至少在这条裤子上品味不好，那么它会以某种方式让你感觉更舒服一些。
You feel like, maybe I do have a chance here because God, those pants had a chance with her.
你会觉得，也许我在这里确实有机会，因为上帝，那条裤子有机会和她在一起。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: Let me read to you from the book of Exodus.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：让我给你读《出埃及记》中的一段话。
Moses' reaction when he sees the calf, and the dancing actually.
摩西看到牛犊和跳舞时的反应。
There's the calf and there's dancing.
有小牛，就有舞蹈。
He gets rid of the new ten commandments, the brand new, freshly written ten commandments, breaks them at the foot of the mountain.
他把新的十诫丢掉了，全新的、新写的十诫，在山脚下打破了。
And then in verse 32 of Exodus, says "And he took the calf that they had made and burnt it with fire and ground into powder and scattered it upon the water, and made the people of Israel drink it."
出埃及记第 32 节说：“他将他们所造的牛犊用火焚烧，磨成粉末，撒在水面上，叫以色列人喝。”
If I have to think of that happening to those jeans, I'm going to be really depressed.
如果我不得不想到那些牛仔裤发生的事情，我会非常沮丧。
They didn't deserve that.
他们不值得这样。
And I really wouldn't want to drink them.
我真的不想喝它们。
And of course, you know what I did, right?
当然，你知道我做了什么，对吧？
(HOST) IRA GLASS: What?
（主持人）IRA GLASS：什么？
Kate I threw them away.
凯特，我把它们扔掉了。
I gave them to the Salvation Army.
我把它们给了救世军。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: Did you regret it?
（采访者） IRA GLASS：你后悔了吗？
I kind of did because I thought, I shouldn't have done that.
我这样做是因为我想，我不应该那样做。
I shouldn't have-- if we had been going out for a year and he said it, I probably wouldn't have done it.
我不应该——如果我们出去一年了而他这么说，我可能就不会那么做了。
It was that four-month thing when you're still probably going to do the thing to please the person.
就在这四个月的时间里，你可能仍然会做一些事情来取悦那个人。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: Whereas a year, you just are like, you're on your own here.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：一年来，你就像是，你独自一人在这里。
(SUBJECT) KATE: It's like, ah, I'll still wear these pants.
（主题）凯特：就像，啊，我仍然会穿这条裤子。
I would probably still be wearing them today.
我今天可能还会穿着它们。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: How lucky for him that he got you during that brief window.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：他真幸运，在那个短暂的空窗期里得到了你。
(SUBJECT) KATE: He was in the window.
（主题）凯特：他在窗户里。
He didn't even know it.
他自己都不知道。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: When you would actually do what he wanted.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：当你真正按照他的意愿去做的时候。
Exactly, exactly.
完全正确。
I'd be sitting in them right now.
我现在就坐在里面。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: You miss the jeans.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：你想念牛仔裤。
You're darn right I do.
你说得对，我就是这么认为。
Those were a great pair of jeans, and they're gone.
那是一条很棒的牛仔裤，但现在已经不见了。
1990, I threw them away.
1990年，我把它们扔掉了。
Someone maybe has them, though.
不过，也许有人拥有它们。
I recycled them to the Salvation Army so hopefully-- you know what I hope?
我满怀希望地将它们回收给救世军——你知道我希望什么吗？
That they brought some power to somebody else.
他们给别人带来了一些力量。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: I don't know.
（采访者） IRA GLASS： 我不知道。
I'm just trying to picture who would have bought them from the Salvation Army.
我只是想想象谁会从救世军那里购买它们。
(SUBJECT) KATE: Somebody might have picked them up.
（主题）KATE：可能有人捡到了它们。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: Like maybe some local theater company was doing an '80s version of Godspell.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：就像当地某个剧院公司正在制作 80 年代版本的《Godspell》一样。
They're doing The Breakfast Club at a dinner theater, and someone needed to wear them for the Ally Sheedy role.
他们正在一家晚宴剧场演出《早餐俱乐部》，需要有人穿着它们来扮演艾丽·西迪的角色。
Look, all I'm saying is, if I still had them, you might still see me walking around in them today.
听着，我想说的是，如果我还拥有它们，你今天可能仍然会看到我穿着它们走来走去。
They're going to come back, by the way.
顺便说一句，他们会回来的。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Kate and Joel live in New York City with their now 12-week-old daughter, who they named Adeline after some debate.
（主持人）IRA GLASS：凯特和乔尔带着他们现在 12 周大的女儿住在纽约市，经过一番争论后他们给女儿取名为艾德琳。
Can you imagine the conversations with Joel when we were picking names?
你能想象我们挑选名字时与乔尔的对话吗？
Think of it, the taste issues.
想想，味道问题。
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: Were there other strong contenders or was Adeline a sweep?
（采访者） IRA GLASS：还有其他强有力的竞争者吗？还是 Adeline 横扫对手？
Yeah, there was one I wanted that he didn't want.
是的，有一个我想要但他不想要的。
He thought it was tacky.
他认为这很俗气。
Now I'm embarrassed, but I like the name Tatum.
现在我很尴尬，但我喜欢塔图姆这个名字。
I'm stuck in the '80s movies.
我还沉浸在80年代的电影里。
Is that an '80s thing?
这是80年代的事吗？
(INTERVIEWER) IRA GLASS: I would say that.
（采访者） IRA GLASS：我会这么说。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Coming up, the eternal question, money versus pee, which is more powerful?
（主持人）IRA GLASS：接下来，永恒的问题，金钱与尿液，哪个更强大？
In a minute.
一分钟后。
I know all of our three year old listeners are going to stay around for that-- from Public Radio International-- when our program continues.
我知道当我们的节目继续进行时，我们所有三岁的听众都会留下来听国际公共广播电台的节目。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: It's This American Life .
（主持人）IRA GLASS：这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program of course we bring you some theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会给您带来一些主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, The Golden Calf, stories of people worshipping false gods, and whether that is always such a bad thing.
今天的节目《金牛犊》讲述了人们崇拜假神的故事，以及这是否总是一件坏事。
We have arrived at Act Three of our program.
我们已经到了我们计划的第三幕了。
Act Three, Don't Have a Golden Calf.
第三幕，没有金牛犊。
What show about worshiping false gods could be complete without a story about money, or real estate, or hipness?
如果没有有关金钱、房地产或时尚的故事，哪部有关崇拜假神的节目才能算完整呢？
Fortunately for us, this next story is about all three.
对我们来说幸运的是，下一个故事是关于这三个人的。
Iggy Scam tells the tale.
伊吉·斯凯姆讲述了这个故事。
(HOST) IGGY SCAM: When I first moved to the city, The Chronicle had run a story about the donut shop in the corner, the one with the huge sign that proudly proclaimed, "Open 25 Hours." The story in the paper called the corner where the donut shop was the epicenter of crime, and they meant for all of San Francisco.
（主持人）IGGY SCAM：当我第一次搬到这座城市时，《纪事报》曾报道过一个关于街角甜甜圈店的故事，这家店挂着巨大的招牌，自豪地宣称“25 小时营业”。报纸上的报道称，甜甜圈店所在的角落是犯罪中心，这意味着整个旧金山。
It was a staggering idea.
这是一个令人震惊的想法。
I would sit in the donut shop and try to imagine crime, disturbance, discontent radiating outward across the entire city from that very spot 25 hours a day.
我会坐在甜甜圈店里，尝试想象每天 25 小时犯罪、骚乱和不满情绪从那个地方向外辐射到整个城市。
Years later, I moved into my friend Jimmy's house on the alley behind the donut shop and got to sit back and watch it all.
几年后，我搬进了朋友吉米位于甜甜圈店后面小巷的房子，坐下来观看这一切。
On San Carlos Street, there was a daily sweet sad procession, a never ending back and forth that we could watch from our steps.
在圣卡洛斯街上，每天都有甜蜜而悲伤的游行，我们可以从脚步中看到永不停歇的来回游行。
There was the sound of man fruit bar carts up the alley, clanging their bells.
巷子里传来男人推水果车的声音，铃铛叮当作响。
And there was that tense, menacing no sound of cops cruising slowly the wrong way down the alley.
警察沿着小巷慢慢地沿着错误的方向行驶，气氛紧张、威胁，没有任何声音。
The girl down the street that I had a crush on would walk, short sleeves in the Mission sun, smiling sweetly on her way to morning coffee at 1:00 PM.
我暗恋的那个女孩在下午 1:00 去喝早咖啡的路上，会在 Mission 的阳光下穿着短袖，甜甜地微笑着走在街上。
And Tony the drug dealer would walk the other way looking exhausted, sagging against a palm tree with gang tags carved into its weathered trunk.
毒贩托尼则走在另一边，看上去精疲力尽，瘫软在棕榈树上，饱经风霜的树干上刻着帮派标签。
My favorite time on San Carlos was 6:00 AM, just before the street woke up.
我在圣卡洛斯最喜欢的时间是早上 6:00，就在街道苏醒之前。
Staring down the alley past the tired old Victorians and shoes dangling from telephone wires, I could imagine 10, 20, 100 of 6:00 AM's all exactly like this one, yawning and stretching into the past.
凝视着小巷里那些疲惫不堪的维多利亚时代老建筑和挂在电话线上的鞋子，我可以想象早上 6:00 的 10 个、20 个、100 个都和这个一模一样，打着哈欠，延伸到过去。
It was a working class street, a ghetto alley, a place with problems that money wouldn't solve, but for now, asleep and dreaming.
这是一条工人阶级的街道，一条贫民窟的小巷，一个存在着金钱无法解决的问题的地方，但现在，它正在沉睡和做梦。
But the Mission was changing.
但使命正在改变。
Streets that had been called down and out were now called green, and the Mission's turd and graffiti motif is now fashionable.
曾经被淘汰的街道现在被称为绿色，而教会的粪便和涂鸦图案现在很流行。
Termite-ridden, drafty old Victorians were bought at exorbitant prices, not to live in but to immediately resell like internet stocks.
白蚁肆虐、通风良好的维多利亚老房子被以高昂的价格购买，不是为了居住，而是为了像互联网股票一样立即转售。
Everyone in San Francisco had a dream that somehow hinged on real estate.
旧金山的每个人都有一个与房地产相关的梦想。
The stock market was pumping so much easy cash into the neighborhood, the good times were so good, that the dream even had a name, Cleaning Up the Mission.
股票市场为附近地区注入了如此多的轻松现金，美好时光如此美好，以至于这个梦想甚至有了一个名字：清理使命。
Developers and slamming histories congratulated themselves, believing that the ordinary greed was actually a moral force, a rising tide to lift all boats.
开发者和猛烈抨击历史的人都庆幸自己，认为普通的贪婪实际上是一种道德力量，是一股水涨船高的力量。
Our landlord up on the hill had bought into that dream too.
我们山上的房东也认同这个梦想。
Our landlord, who I'll call Maurice, was a dour-looking, henpecked little guy, a self-employed electrician who happened to own a couple houses.
我们的房东，我称之为莫里斯，是一个面色阴沉、怕老婆的小个子，一个个体经营的电工，碰巧拥有几栋房子。
When I think of Maurice, I always think of him with his sad, black mustache and his tools, standing in the driveway as my roommate Jimmy came home from the flea market with his huge, green, grafitti-covered van.
当我想起莫里斯时，我总是想起他留着悲伤的黑胡子和他的工具，站在车道上，我的室友吉米开着他那辆巨大的、绿色的、布满涂鸦的货车从跳蚤市场回家。
Maurice always seem to be thinking, how did this happen to me?
莫里斯似乎总是在想，这种事怎么会发生在我身上？
He had bought our house eight years before and inherited Jimmy as his tenant.
他八年前买了我们的房子，并继承了吉米作为他的房客。
San Francisco's rent control laws are a stronger "'til death do us part" legal bind than marriage.
旧金山的租金管制法比婚姻具有更强的“直到死亡将我们分开”的法律约束力。
And by law, Jimmy and Maurice would go to their graves with Jim still paying a sweet 1988 rent.
根据法律规定，吉米和莫里斯到坟墓时，吉姆仍然在支付 1988 年的丰厚租金。
In the 12 years Jim had lived in San Carlos, he'd become as much a part of the street as the street sign itself.
吉姆在圣卡洛斯生活了 12 年，他就像路牌本身一样成为了街道的一部分。
Everybody knew Jimmy.
每个人都认识吉米。
Even the gang kids dressed in blue shook their heads and laughed when the green van drove by.
当绿色面包车驶过时，就连那些身穿蓝色衣服的帮派小伙子也纷纷摇头大笑。
Jim was a self-employed scavenger who sold trash at flea markets, gave away more of it to anyone who asked.
吉姆是一名个体拾荒者，他在跳蚤市场上出售垃圾，并把更多的垃圾送给任何提出要求的人。
Homeless guys came by for clothes and blankets.
无家可归的人过来索要衣服和毯子。
Jim's friends came by looking for baseball gloves, or Super 8 projectors, or a PA for a protest at Civic Center, and he usually hooked everybody up.
吉姆的朋友们来寻找棒球手套、Super 8 投影仪或公共广播来参加市政中心的抗议活动，他通常会把每个人都联系起来。
He was also a long-time neighborhood bartender and had a band.
他还是一名长期的社区调酒师，并拥有一支乐队。
Just about everybody in the Mission had either bought a beer from Jimmy or played drums in his band.
几乎代表团中的每个人要么从吉米那里买了啤酒，要么在他的乐队中打过鼓。
Even though the Mission district real estate goldmine was becoming national news, Maurice never seemed ambitious enough to try to evict Jimmy and cash in.
尽管教会区的房地产金矿正在成为全国新闻，但莫里斯似乎从来没有雄心勃勃地试图驱逐吉米并从中获利。
But he was married to Claire, a sour, always sneering woman with upwardly mobile aspirations of her own.
但他娶了克莱尔，一个脾气暴躁、总是冷嘲热讽的女人，有着自己向上的愿望。
Claire hated Jimmy.
克莱尔讨厌吉米。
It was easy to imagine her up there on the hill working on Maurice, telling him if he was any kind of a real man, he'd get rid of that wing-nut trash salesman tenet of his, and they could sell the house and be rich.
很容易想象她在山上为莫里斯工作，告诉他如果他是一个真正的男人，他就会摆脱他那种疯狂的垃圾推销员的信条，他们可以卖掉房子并致富。
Or maybe she wanted to evict us and move into our house in the trendy, up and coming Mission that now had valet parking.
或者也许她想驱逐我们并搬进我们位于时尚、新兴的教会区的房子，现在有代客泊车服务。
We knew that Maurice's first wife had left him several years ago for another woman.
我们知道莫里斯的第一任妻子几年前为了另一个女人而离开了他。
Maybe Maurice thought that if he got left behind in the get rich quick housing market that Claire would leave him too.
也许莫里斯认为，如果他在快速致富的房地产市场中落后，克莱尔也会离开他。
Whatever he thought, our house was now something else to him, a symbol of some brighter, well-heeled future.
不管他怎么想，我们的房子现在对他来说已经是另外的东西了，象征着更光明、富裕的未来。
It was a chance, a chance for a henpecked electrician to finally hit it big, to be where the action was, to not be a small-time landlord anymore.
这是一个机会，一个怕老婆的电工终于能大展身手、成为行动者的机会，不再是一个小房东。
And all they would have to do would be to get rid of us.
他们所要做的就是除掉我们。
We always paid our rent on time and had no problems with Maurice.
我们总是按时支付房租，并且与莫里斯没有任何问题。
It would be nearly impossible for him to legally evict us.
他几乎不可能合法地驱逐我们。
So Maurice hired a notoriously ruthless and shark-like eviction trial lawyer, a man so stereotypically vile that when tenants' rights protesters staged demonstrations on his lawn, he would come out and greet them, waving and yelling smile as he videotaped them in action.
因此，莫里斯聘请了一位臭名昭著、冷酷无情、像鲨鱼一样的驱逐审判律师，这个人在人们的刻板印象中是如此卑鄙，以至于当房客权利抗议者在他的草坪上举行示威时，他会出来迎接他们，一边挥手，一边大喊微笑，同时拍摄他们的行动。
Maurice's hotshot lawyer had never lost a case.
莫里斯的能干律师从来没有输过案子。
He had a secret weapon, a little known law called the Ellis Act that allows landlords to evict their tenants if the landlord takes their property off the rental market forever.
他有一个秘密武器，那就是一项鲜为人知的法律，称为《埃利斯法案》，该法案允许房东在将其财产永远从租赁市场上撤出的情况下驱逐其房客。
After they evict the tenants, the landlords can sell the property, move into it or turn it into a condo, but there is one catch.
驱逐房客后，房东可以出售房产、搬进去或将其改造成公寓，但有一个问题。
If the property is re-rented any time in the next 10 years, it has to be offered first at the old rent to the evicted tenants.
如果该房产在未来10年内的任何时间重新出租，则必须首先以旧租金提供给被驱逐的租户。
This was not a big deal for Maurice's lawyer though because most people evicted under the Ellis Act didn't speak English and didn't know their rights.
不过，这对莫里斯的律师来说并不是什么大问题，因为大多数根据《埃利斯法案》被驱逐的人不会说英语，也不知道自己的权利。
And the rest would move away and not fight it.
其余的人会走开，不会反抗。
The lawyer served eviction notices to us and our downstairs neighbors.
律师向我们和楼下的邻居发出了驱逐通知。
Within a month, the neighbors had taken a settlement and left the city.
一个月之内，邻居们达成了和解并离开了这座城市。
But Jimmy decided to hire a lawyer and fight it in court.
但吉米决定聘请律师并在法庭上进行抗争。
As long as the lawsuit went on, we would continue to live in the house and Maurice could not collect rent.
只要诉讼继续下去，我们就会继续住在房子里，莫里斯就无法收取租金。
Maurice and Claire were confident though.
不过莫里斯和克莱尔很有信心。
They sold their house on the hill and moved to the Mission.
他们卖掉了山上的房子，搬到了教会。
In fact, they moved in right downstairs.
事实上，他们就搬到了楼下。
The first month was awful.
第一个月很糟糕。
Jim said he could hear them through his walls giggling and having sex in the bathtub, something I did not want to have to imagine.
吉姆说，他可以隔着墙壁听到他们在浴缸里咯咯地笑和做爱，这是我不想想象的。
They were clearly enjoying their new lifestyle in the resurgent Mission, playing the part of wealthy real estate movers and shakers.
他们显然很享受在复兴的教会中的新生活方式，扮演着富有的房地产权贵的角色。
Claire had taken to smoking cigars, and she would stand on the porch and sneer with great satisfaction at us, arms folded, saying things like, "Have any luck finding a new place yet, Jim?
克莱尔开始抽雪茄了，她会站在门廊上，抱着双臂，非常满意地对我们冷笑，说道：“吉姆，找到新地方还顺利吗？
Better start looking."
最好开始寻找。”
They would have their one friend over and talk with him loudly in front of the house about how they would soon be rid of us.
他们会把他们的一位朋友叫过来，在屋前大声地和他谈论他们将如何很快摆脱我们。
But I actually felt sorry for Maurice.
但我实际上为莫里斯感到难过。
The Mission was no place for this kind of hubris, and I think he knew it.
传教团不允许这种傲慢行为，我想他也知道这一点。
The electrician was in over his head, and he was about to meet George.
电工忙得不可开交，他正要和乔治见面。
George was the homeless guy who slept under our stairs.
乔治是那个睡在我们楼梯下的无家可归的人。
But to say George was just some homeless guy would be to say Shakespeare was just some writer.
但如果说乔治只是一个无家可归的人，那就等于说莎士比亚只是一个作家。
George had reinvented the role.
乔治重新塑造了这个角色。
With his trench coat and thick, greasy beard and wild mass of jet black hair, George was more of an ominous presence, a force, not so much a harbinger of doom, but a reminder that you were doomed.
穿着风衣、浓密油腻的胡须和一头乌黑的头发，乔治更像是一种不祥的存在，一种力量，与其说是厄运的预兆，不如说是一种提醒，你注定要厄运。
a feeling like a hangover that had always been part of San Carlos Street and always would be.
一种像宿醉一样的感觉一直是圣卡洛斯街的一部分，而且永远都是。
While everyone else in town was worried about eviction, George wandered the streets unconcerned because he was, in fact, in charge.
当镇上的其他人都担心被驱逐时，乔治却漠不关心地在街上闲逛，因为事实上他才是负责人。
He slept anywhere he wanted at any time of day.
他可以在一天中的任何时间睡在任何他想睡的地方。
He would go to the pizza place on the corner, put his feet up on the sidewalk table and throw his head back, surveying his domain through always squinting eyes.
他会走到街角的披萨店，把脚放在路边的桌子上，然后把头向后仰，总是眯着眼睛审视自己的领域。
He would not buy a thing.
他什么也不会买。
Instead, he had the power to assess taxes on passersby.
相反，他有权向路人征税。
If you had a six pack, George would always get a cold one off of you.
如果你有六块腹肌，乔治总会从你身上得到一块感冒的。
If you gave him a cigarette, George would stroke his beard and yell, "Give me two."
如果你给他一根香烟，乔治会抚摸他的胡子并喊道：“给我两根。”
George also left massive turds in front of our garage door every morning.
乔治每天早上还会在我们的车库门前留下大量的粪便。
There was nothing you could really do about it, but he was pretty good about going in a bucket if you put one out for him.
你对此无能为力，但如果你为他放一个桶，他就很乐意放进桶里。
Since Maurice was new downstairs, we decided to see if he could figure this out.
由于莫里斯是新来的，我们决定看看他是否能解决这个问题。
Maurice had lived on Bernal Hill, a nice neighborhood full of kindly older lesbians where everyone always seemed to be out walking their dogs.
莫里斯住在伯纳尔山，这是一个很好的社区，到处都是善良的年长女同性恋，每个人似乎总是出去遛狗。
It was a pretty part of town with trees and views.
这是镇上一个漂亮的地方，有树木，风景优美。
Nothing there could have prepared him for George.
那里没有任何东西可以让他为乔治做好准备。
We would sit and drink beer on the steps and watch Maurice clean up after George.
我们会坐在台阶上喝啤酒，看着莫里斯在乔治之后打扫卫生。
After a week or so of this, he installed one of those annoying security floodlights that turn on if anyone walks within, say, 100 yards if it.
大约一周后，他安装了一盏烦人的安全泛光灯，如果有人走在 100 码之内，它就会亮起。
We were blinded anytime we walked up our steps at night.
每当我们晚上走上台阶时，我们都会感到失明。
I found that if you just unscrewed the bulb a little bit, it wouldn't work.
我发现如果你只是稍微拧开灯泡，它就不起作用了。
But one day George came by, and Jimmy asked him what he thought of the new light.
但有一天乔治过来，吉米问他对新灯有何看法。
George said, "Oh, I love those things.
乔治说：“哦，我喜欢那些东西。
I can make sure I have all my things together before the light goes out and I go to sleep." After that, we quit unscrewing it.
我可以确保在灯熄灭之前我已经把所有东西都收拾好了，然后我就去睡觉了。”之后，我们就不再拧开它了。
The case dragged on, and weeks with George stretched into months.
案件一拖再拖，乔治的时间从几周延长到几个月。
Maurice and Claire's friend came over less and less, and then not at all.
莫里斯和克莱尔的朋友过来的次数越来越少，最后就根本不来了。
The bill from the hotshot attorney was mounting, and the flood of money into the neighborhood wasn't exactly cleaning up the Mission.
这位大牌律师的账单越来越多，而大量资金涌入社区并没有完全清理教会的问题。
No, if a rising tide was going to lift all boats in the Mission, that tide would not be money, but urine.
不，如果上涨的潮水要抬高传教区的所有船只，那潮水就不是金钱，而是尿液。
The most visible nightly example of this so called economic revitalization was that the people pissing in our garden at night had on more expensive clothes.
这种所谓的经济复兴最明显的夜间例子是，晚上在我们花园里撒尿的人们穿着更昂贵的衣服。
I'd come home to find giggling drunk girls in those huge shoes with their pants down peeing away in their driveway while their boyfriends drunkenly tried to pick all of Jim's flowers to give to them.
我回到家，发现穿着那双大鞋、脱着裤子、咯咯笑着的喝醉的女孩在车道上撒尿，而她们的男朋友则醉醺醺地试图摘下吉姆所有的花送给她们。
I saw people mastering the art of pissing with one hand and talking on a cellphone with the other.
我看到人们掌握了用一只手撒尿并用另一只手打电话的艺术。
The Latino working class bars in the Mission had all been systematically closed by the police because the patrons sold crack and got in fights with each other.
教会里的拉丁裔工人阶级酒吧都被警察有系统地关闭，因为顾客们出售可卡因并互相打架。
They'd been replaced by hipster bars where the patrons all did coke and then went out to try to fight us.
它们被时髦的酒吧所取代，那里的顾客都喝可乐，然后出去试图与我们战斗。
I'd see leather-coated, side burn-wearing guys scoring heroin at 16th and Mission and think, damn, it's like these people couldn't wait to move to the ghetto and lose their minds.
我看到穿着皮衣、侧烧伤的家伙在 16 街和米申街吸食海洛因，我想，该死的，这些人就像迫不及待地想搬到贫民窟并失去理智一样。
Maurice, apparently frustrated, next turned against the very thing that might make him rich, the property itself.
莫里斯显然很沮丧，接下来他开始反对可能让他致富的东西，即财产本身。
Possibly inspired by the high-ceilinged, white-walled lofts that all the kids were into these days, Maurice started gutting the downstairs interior, ripping out the solid redwood cabinets and the counter tops that had been constructed over 100 years ago out of trees brought over on ships from New Zealand.
可能是受到现在所有孩子们都喜欢的高天花板、白墙阁楼的启发，莫里斯开始对楼下的内部进行清理，拆掉了 100 多年前用从新西兰船上运来的树木建造的实心红木橱柜和台面。
The craftsmanship had stood up through three major earthquakes, but it would not survive a Mission real estate craze.
其工艺经受住了三场大地震的考验，但却无法在教会房地产热潮中幸存下来。
The legal case had by this time dragged on so long that it was no longer clear what winning might mean.
此时，法律案件已经拖延了很长时间，以至于人们不再清楚胜诉意味着什么。
Maurice and Claire were always locked inside now, their security alarm evilly protecting them from the epicenter of crime of a mere 24 hours a day.
莫里斯和克莱尔现在总是被锁在里面，他们的安全警报每天 24 小时邪恶地保护着他们免受犯罪中心的侵害。
A bunker-like paranoia emanated from the downstairs unit.
楼下的单元里散发着一种碉堡般的偏执。
One day, our phone wasn't working so we had a guy from the phone company come look at it.
有一天，我们的电话坏了，所以我们请了电话公司的一名人员来查看。
"Well, here's your problem," he yelled in disbelief as he lifted our grey box.
“好吧，这就是你的问题，”他抬起我们的灰色盒子时难以置信地喊道。
Maurice and Claire were tapping our phone.
莫里斯和克莱尔正在窃听我们的电话。
Later, a small dispute over parking in the driveway ended with Claire punching Jimmy's girlfriend in the head.
后来，一场关于在车道上停车的小纠纷以克莱尔殴打吉米女友的头部而告终。
Soon after that, Claire apparently moved away, curiously being escorted by a younger man who carried her bags and opened the car door for her while she gazed longingly up at him.
不久之后，克莱尔显然就离开了，奇怪的是，一名年轻男子护送着她，他帮她拎着行李，为她打开了车门，而克莱尔则渴望地抬头看着他。
No more sex in the bathtub for Maurice.
莫里斯不再在浴缸里做爱。
After that, we almost never saw Maurice, except when he came home from work and slammed his door.
从那以后，我们几乎再也没有见过莫里斯，除非他下班回家并摔上门。
And as for Jimmy, the block he had lived on for 12 years had changed considerably in a short time.
而对于吉米来说，他居住了12年的街区在短时间内发生了巨大的变化。
Three Latino families down the block had been evicted under the Ellis Act, and now their former houses stood empty because they were more valuable that way.
街区内的三个拉丁裔家庭已根据《埃利斯法案》被驱逐，现在他们以前的房子空着，因为这样它们更有价值。
One was surrounded by rubble where the owner had tried to turn the Victorian into a loft but had run out of money.
其中一间周围是瓦砾，房主试图将维多利亚式的房子改造成阁楼，但没钱了。
Some of our friends had just given up and moved away, including the girl I had a crush on, who took her sleepy smile back to Louisiana.
我们的一些朋友刚刚放弃并搬走了，包括我暗恋的那个女孩，她带着睡眼惺忪的微笑回到了路易斯安那州。
There were no weekend garage sales anymore at Jim's, and no one really came by to hang out on the steps.
吉姆家不再有周末旧货拍卖，也没有人真正过来在台阶上闲逛。
No one had anything good to talk about anyway, just more eviction news.
反正没人有什么好话可说，只有更多的驱逐消息。
After nearly a year, the judge ruled against Jimmy, and we had to move out.
将近一年后，法官做出了吉米败诉的裁决，我们不得不搬出去。
Maurice's winning deposition was a monumental, four-page list of over 70 complaints against us, a staggering document of an almost Kurtz-like collapse that Mission life had caused in Maurice.
莫里斯获胜的证词是一份长达四页的不朽证词，列出了针对我们的 70 多条投诉，这是一份令人震惊的文件，记录了宣教生活在莫里斯造成的近乎库尔茨式的崩溃。
He accused us of having our house open at all hours day and night so that homeless people could just come in and wash their clothes.
他指责我们让我们的房子昼夜全天候开放，以便无家可归的人可以进来洗衣服。
One innocent time when Claire found Jim and two male friends working on the car in the garage was described as an orgy.
当克莱尔发现吉姆和两个男性朋友在车库修车时，有一次天真无邪的经历被描述为一场狂欢。
In another complaint, Maurice accused us of, quote, "dragging heavy items across the floor all night in order to tape record the sounds." Well, it was easy to see why the judge had ruled against us.
在另一份投诉中，莫里斯指责我们“整晚在地板上拖着重物，以便录制声音。”嗯，很容易理解为什么法官做出了对我们不利的裁决。
Maurice was just trying to do what he wished with his own property when he had suddenly found himself at the center of a sordid and vast avant-garde homosexual conspiracy, a Mission netherworld where the unclean and unhoused traded sex for laundry at twisted, 4:00 AM art shows.
莫里斯正试图用自己的财产做他想做的事，突然发现自己处于一个肮脏而巨大的前卫同性恋阴谋的中心，这是一个传教地狱，在那里，肮脏和无家可归的人在凌晨 4:00 扭曲的艺术展上用性换洗衣物。
I said, "Man, I only wished we were that cool."
我说：“伙计，我只希望我们能那么酷。”
The day we moved out was the only time that I ever actually saw Maurice's famous hotshot attorney.
我们搬出去的那天是我唯一一次真正见到莫里斯那位著名的律师。
Everyone was there, waiting for the sheriff to come serve the final papers.
每个人都在那里，等待警长送达最后的文件。
Maurice came out to the top of his steps to wait.
莫里斯走到台阶顶端等待。
Claire finally pulled up, chauffeured by the younger man.
克莱尔终于把车停了下来，司机是年轻人。
And the lawyer pulled up in his SUV.
律师开着他的SUV停了下来。
He was the only one smiling.
他是唯一一个微笑的人。
He strode confidently to the top of the stairs looking out into the alley, grinning as if he were about to address a crowded plaza full of supporters.
他自信地大步走到楼梯顶上，看着外面的小巷，咧着嘴笑，好像他要向挤满支持者的拥挤广场发表讲话。
After all, he'd still never lost a case, and he'd built a personal fortune on the one tried and true San Francisco idea that went all the way back to the first gold rush, the principle that the town was founded on.
毕竟，他还从未输掉过一场官司，而且他在旧金山的一个经过验证的真实想法上积累了个人财富，这个想法可以追溯到第一次淘金热，即这座城镇的建立原则。
You don't get rich panning for gold.
淘金是不可能致富的。
You get rich selling Levi's to all the fools who show up here every day to pan for gold.
把李维斯卖给每天来这里淘金的傻瓜，你就能发财。
The Sheriff finally came, papers in hand, and the lawyer led him up into our old house.
警长终于来了，手里拿着文件，律师把他领进了我们的老房子。
But a moment later, they came out confused.
但片刻之后，他们就露出了困惑的表情。
They couldn't find Jimmy to serve him the papers.
他们找不到吉米来为他送达文件。
For the first time, the lawyer was irritated.
律师第一次被激怒了。
He turned to us and growled, "Where the hell did he go?" Just then, Jimmy came out of the house next door and casually said, "Oh, I'll take those.
他转向我们，咆哮道：“他到底去哪儿了？”就在这时，吉米从隔壁房子里走了出来，漫不经心地说：“哦，我要了。
Thanks."
谢谢。”
See, a couple days before, Jimmy had worked out a deal with the landlord next door.
瞧，几天前，吉米已经和隔壁房东达成了协议。
And now, Jimmy was moving into a room in the very next house.
现在，吉米要搬进隔壁房子的一个房间。
Jim said, "Hey Ig, can you give me a hand with these plants?" And Maurice and Claire watched in stunned disbelief as we dragged the planter boxes across the driveway to Jim's new home, a mere 10 feet away.
吉姆说：“嘿，伊格，你能帮我处理这些植物吗？”莫里斯和克莱尔难以置信地目瞪口呆地看着我们拖着花盆穿过车道，来到吉姆的新家，距离酒店只有 10 英尺。
They knew they wouldn't be able to rent the house to anyone but Jimmy for 10 years, and he would be right next door watching.
他们知道十年内他们不能把房子租给除了吉米以外的任何人，而他会在隔壁看着。
Maurice stood at the top of the steps looking out across San Carlos Street, a street with problems that money couldn't fix.
莫里斯站在台阶顶上，眺望着圣卡洛斯街，这条街存在着金钱无法解决的问题。
How could he have known what would happen next?
他怎么知道接下来会发生什么？
That within a year, the real estate boom would bust, that the stock market would flounder, lofts would stand vacant all over town.
一年之内，房地产繁荣将破灭，股市将陷入困境，全城的阁楼将空置。
How could he have known that in a few months, he would move out of the house that was his dream, and that the house would soon be covered in graffiti and trash, that the driveway would be full of homeless guys sleeping on couches, and that George would move to the top of the stairs?
他怎么知道几个月后，他会搬出他梦想的房子，房子很快就会被涂鸦和垃圾覆盖，车道上会挤满睡在沙发上的无家可归的人，乔治会搬到楼梯顶上？
How could he know that the get rich quick scheme would fail, and that he would be unable to even sell the house because no buyer would want to rent it to Jimmy at a 1988 rent.
他怎么知道快速致富的计划会失败，他甚至无法卖掉房子，因为没有买家愿意以 1988 年的租金把它租给吉米。
I don't know, but from the look on his face that day at the top of the steps, I could tell that Maurice did know.
我不知道，但从那天他在台阶顶上的表情来看，我可以看出莫里斯确实知道。
He'd figured it out all at once as his high-paid lawyer got in his SUV and sped away, as the younger man opened the car door for Claire and they drove off too.
当他的高薪律师钻进他的SUV并扬长而去，年轻人为克莱尔打开车门，他们也开走了时，他立刻就明白了这一点。
The house was all his.
房子都是他的了。
Somewhere George was stirring for his morning rounds.
乔治正在某处忙碌，准备早上巡视。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Iggy Scam lives in San Francisco.
（主持人）IRA GLASS：Iggy Scam 住在旧金山。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: Well, our program was produced today by Alex Blumberg and myself, with Wendy Dorr, Jonathan Goldstein, and Starlee Kine.
（主持人）IRA GLASS：嗯，我们今天的节目是由 Alex Blumberg 和我本人以及 Wendy Dorr、Jonathan Goldstein 和 Starlee Kine 制作的。
Senior producer Julie Snyder, contributing editors Paul Tough, Jack Hit, Margie Rockland, Becca Carroll, Alix Spiegel, Nancy Updike, and consigliere Sarah Vowell.
高级制片人 Julie Snyder、特约编辑 Paul Tough、Jack Hit、Margie Rockland、Becca Carroll、Alix Spiegel、Nancy Updike 和顾问 Sarah Vowell。
Elizabeth Meister runs our website.
伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。
Production help from Todd Bachmann and Annie Baxter.
托德·巴赫曼 (Todd Bachmann) 和安妮·巴克斯特 (Annie Baxter) 为制作提供帮助。
This is Annie's last show with us, the end of her training.
这是安妮和我们一起的最后一场演出，她的训练也结束了。
She has served at the altar of radio.
她曾服务于广播界。
Radio, the only true medium, and we encourage her to continue on that one true path.
广播是唯一真正的媒介，我们鼓励她继续走这条真正的道路。
And we wish her the best.
我们祝她一切顺利。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] To buy a cassette of this or any of our programs, call us here at WBEZ in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
[鸣谢] 要购买本节目或我们任何节目的磁带，请致电芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
Or you can get cassettes from our website.
或者您可以从我们的网站获取磁带。
You know where you can also listen to the shows for free, www.thisamericanlife.org.
您知道在哪里可以免费收听节目，www.thisamericanlife.org。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management by Torey Malatia.
[资金来源] WBEZ 由 Torey Malatia 管理。
Torey, who prefers to be known as--
托雷，更喜欢被称为——
(HOST) IGGY SCAM: The center of a sordid and vast avant-garde homosexual conspiracy.
（主持人）IGGY SCAM：一个肮脏而巨大的前卫同性恋阴谋的中心。
(HOST) IRA GLASS: I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life .
（主持人）艾拉·格拉斯：我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。