184: Neighbors - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass Back in 1991, a guy in Florida named Arnold Abbott started a charity helping the homeless.
序言 Ira Glass 早在 1991 年，佛罗里达州一位名叫阿诺德·阿博特 (Arnold Abbott) 的人创办了一家慈善机构，帮助无家可归者。
They gave out blankets and shoes and soap, served 1,100 meals a week.
他们分发毯子、鞋子和肥皂，每周提供 1,100 顿饭。
Helped people get jobs.
帮助人们找到工作。
He called the charity "Love Thy Neighbor." A few years later he was contacted by a woman in Michigan named Catherine Sims, who runs a ministry and business there called "Love Your Neighbor."
他称该慈善机构为“爱你的邻居”。几年后，密歇根州一位名叫凯瑟琳·西姆斯的女士联系了他，她在那里经营着一个名为“爱你的邻居”的事工和企业。
She has a cable access show that's on from time to time in Detroit, and a prayer line she advertises in USA Today.
她在底特律不时播出一档有线电视节目，并在《今日美国》上刊登了一条祈祷线广告。
She sells t-shirts and bracelets.
她卖 T 恤和手镯。
She had actually trademarked the name "Love Your Neighbor" as the name of her business and ministry.
她实际上已将“爱你的邻居”这个名字注册为她的企业和事工的名称。
Love Thy Neighbor just seemed too close to Love Your Neighbor to her.
对她来说，《爱你的邻居》似乎与《爱你的邻居》太接近了。
People might want to donate to her, but then give the money to him instead.
人们可能想捐款给她，但后来却把钱给了他。
She tried to convince him to change the name.
她试图说服他改名。
First politely.
首先有礼貌。
Now, she's suing him.
现在，她正在起诉他。
She demanded that I cease and desist using the name Love Thy Neighbor.
她要求我停止使用“爱你的邻居”这个名字。
Turn it over to her and turn over all profits I've made.
交给她吧，把我赚到的利润全部上缴。
Yeah, all the money I'd make taking money away from her since she owns the name, she said.
是的，自从她拥有这个名字以来，我赚的所有钱都是从她那里拿走的，她说。
At this point, I have had to hire an attorney in Detroit, Michigan to represent us.
此时，我不得不在密歇根州底特律聘请一位律师代表我们。
I had to send a retainer of $5,000, which translates into over 13,000 meals for the homeless.
我必须缴纳 5,000 美元的预付款，相当于为无家可归者提供了 13,000 多份餐食。
That's what it amounts to.
这就是它的意义。
We can put together a beautiful meal for about $0.38.
我们可以花大约 0.38 美元准备一顿美餐。
So that's where you have it.
所以这就是你拥有它的地方。
And right now it's taking money out of-- food out of the mouth of the homeless to defend this kind of lawsuit.
现在，它从无家可归者的嘴里拿钱来为此类诉讼辩护。
She, herself, is religious.
她本人是有宗教信仰的。
Does follow the precepts of Jesus Christ.
遵守耶稣基督的戒律。
And she is trying to do God's work, following her very strong scruple.
她怀着强烈的顾忌，努力去做上帝的工作。
Catherine Sims wouldn't talk to us.
凯瑟琳·西姆斯不肯和我们说话。
Julie Greenberg is her attorney.
朱莉·格林伯格是她的律师。
She points out that US Trademark Law requires anybody who holds a trademark on a name to go and fight off other people who try to use the same name, even if it's a homeless shelter with 100 volunteers serving 6,000 needy people on a budget of $50,000 a year.
她指出，美国商标法要求任何拥有名字商标的人都必须去对抗其他试图使用相同名字的人，即使这是一个拥有 100 名志愿者、为 6,000 名贫困人口提供服务、每年预算为 5 万美元的无家可归者收容所。
In Trademark Law, the only real issue is who used it first in general.
在商标法中，唯一真正的问题是一般来说谁先使用它。
And in this case, Reverend Sims used it by 10 years first.
在这种情况下，西姆斯牧师先用了十年。
1982.
1982年。
Ira Glass If your opponent in this case, if the charity Love Thy Neighbor down in Florida, were to employ the principle, love thy neighbor as thyself, in your view, what would they do?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：如果你的对手，如果佛罗里达州的“爱你的邻居”慈善机构，采用“爱你的邻居如同爱自己”的原则，在你看来，他们会怎么做？
He's causing trademark infringement by using this particular choice of words.
他使用这种特殊的词语造成了商标侵权。
Pick any other words.
选择任何其他单词。
Any other words that don't cause confusion and everybody would be better off.
任何其他不会引起混乱的词语都会对每个人都有好处。
But if the idea of the principle is that you treat your neighbor as you would be treated, the way that she would want to be treated is that he would give up the name.
但如果原则的意思是你对待你的邻居就像你被对待一样，那么她希望被对待的方式就是他放弃这个名字。
Why doesn't she just give up the name?
她为什么不直接放弃这个名字呢？
Well, because she has far too much to lose.
好吧，因为她已经失去了太多。
And I don't think any doctrine of either biblical or civil law requires people to give up something of value to avoid a conflict.
我不认为圣经或民法的任何教义都要求人们放弃一些有价值的东西来避免冲突。
Both sides in this dispute claim that they are only trying to love their neighbor.
这场争端的双方都声称他们只是想爱他们的邻居。
Each side prays to the same God and quotes the same Bible.
双方都向同一位上帝祈祷并引用同一本圣经。
Neither side wanted a result as astonishing as a lawsuit, but the lawsuit came.
双方都不希望出现像诉讼这样令人震惊的结果，但是诉讼却来了。
Today on our show, people who think that they are good people, good neighbors, who ended up doing the least neighborly things possible.
今天在我们的节目中，那些自认为是好人、好邻居的人，最终却做了尽可能不睦邻的事情。
From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
We bring you three stories today of three neighborhoods.
今天我们为您带来三个社区的三个故事。
Act One, Mr. Rothbart's Neighborhood.
第一幕，罗斯巴特先生的邻居。
That act is a story from a few years back in which an average Chicagoan decides to appeal the disputes and problems in his neighborhood to a higher authority, Mr. Rogers.
这个行为是几年前的一个故事，一个普通的芝加哥人决定将他所在社区的纠纷和问题向上级当局罗杰斯先生提出上诉。
Yes, that Mr. Rogers.
是的，就是那个罗杰斯先生。
Act Two, The Little Girl Next Door.
第二幕，邻家小女孩。
So a neighbor kid wants to befriend you, talks to you.
所以邻居家的孩子想和你交朋友，和你说话。
She gives you presents, she hangs around.
她给你礼物，她在附近闲逛。
What if you don't want a very young new friend?
如果您不想要一个非常年轻的新朋友怎么办？
Act Three, The Ratman Cometh.
第三幕，鼠人降临。
The story of a close-knit neighborhood.
一个紧密邻里的故事。
People who only want the best for all concerned.
只希望所有相关人员得到最好的结果的人。
And coming from the house of a favorite neighbor, dozens and dozens of rats.
来自一个最喜欢的邻居的房子里，有几十只老鼠。
And there is nothing they can do about it.
他们对此无能为力。
Stay with us, my friend.
和我们在一起吧，我的朋友。
Davy Rothbart lives on Chicago's west side.
戴维·罗斯巴特住在芝加哥西区。
But our story with him today really begins before he knew any of this current neighbors.
但我们今天与他的故事实际上是在他认识现在的邻居之前开始的。
Back long ago when he had one special neighbor.
很久以前，他有一个特别的邻居。
When we were kids, my brother Mike wrote a letter to Mr. Rogers.
当我们还是孩子的时候，我的兄弟迈克给罗杰斯先生写了一封信。
My brother was six, I was three.
我哥哥六岁，我三岁。
On a recent show, a deaf woman had paid Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood a visit and my brother wanted to tell Mr. Rogers about our mom because she's deaf too.
在最近的一个节目中，一位聋哑妇女拜访了罗杰斯先生的邻居，我哥哥想告诉罗杰斯先生关于我们妈妈的事情，因为她也是聋哑人。
A few weeks later an envelope addressed to Mike appeared in our mailbox.
几周后，一封写给迈克的信封出现在我们的邮箱中。
It was a letter from Fred Rogers.
这是弗雷德·罗杰斯的一封信。
My whole family was pretty excited.
我全家人都很兴奋。
Mike wrote to Mr. Rogers again, and they began a little correspondence.
迈克再次写信给罗杰斯先生，他们开始了一些通信。
The next summer my family was headed to Massachusetts for a week's vacation and Mr. Rogers invited all of us to chill with him for a day at his summer home on Nantucket Island.
第二年夏天，我的家人前往马萨诸塞州度假一周，罗杰斯先生邀请我们所有人和他一起在他位于楠塔基特岛的避暑别墅度过一天。
Here's what I remember.
这是我记得的。
A long, long car trip.
一次很长很长的汽车旅行。
An afternoon's ride on a great big ferryboat.
乘坐一个很棒的大渡船度过了一个下午。
And then we were clattering down a gravel road and my mouth said, there's Mr. Rogers' house.
然后我们沿着碎石路行驶，我的嘴里说，那是罗杰斯先生的房子。
We knocked on his door and there he was.
我们敲了敲他的门，他就在那里。
The way I remember it, Mr. Rogers had in his house the entire set from the neighborhood of make believe.
在我的记忆中，罗杰斯先生的家里有来自假装附近的整套设备。
King Friday was there, Lady Elaine, X the Owl, Daniel Striped Tiger.
星期五国王也在场，伊莱恩女士、猫头鹰 X、条纹老虎丹尼尔也在场。
We played way past dinner time and into the night.
我们玩得很晚，一直玩到晚饭时间。
I can't say I'm a grown-up now, but I have grown up.
我现在不能说我是个大人，但我已经长大了。
And there's some things about that visit with Mr. Rogers that just don't quite make sense to me now.
关于那次拜访罗杰斯先生的一些事情现在对我来说不太有意义。
I mean, why would a guy-- even Mr. Rogers-- interrupt his vacation to hang out with a couple of kids?
我的意思是，为什么一个人——甚至是罗杰斯先生——会中断他的假期去和几个孩子一起出去玩？
Were we the only kids he'd ever invited to visit him, or was this a standard practice?
我们是他唯一邀请来拜访他的孩子，还是这是一种标准做法？
And what was up with the whole Neighborhood of Make-Believe at his house?
他家里的整个虚构街区又发生了什么事？
Could that really be true?
这真的是真的吗？
I wanted to see Mr. Rogers again and ask him some of these questions.
我想再次见到罗杰斯先生并问他一些问题。
So the day before my 26th birthday, This American Life producer Alex Blumberg and I flew to Pittsburgh, Mr. Rogers hometown, for another visit.
于是，在我26岁生日的前一天，我和《美国生活》的制片人亚历克斯·布隆伯格飞往罗杰斯先生的家乡匹兹堡再次探访。
We got picked up at the airport by his PR director, a guy named David Newell.
他的公关总监大卫·纽厄尔 (David Newell) 到机场接了我们。
You might known him as Mr. FcFeely, the mailman on the show.
您可能称他为 FcFeely 先生，即节目中的邮递员。
One speedy delivery later, we're in the same room with Mr. Rogers.
快速交货后，我们和罗杰斯先生在同一个房间。
Welcome.
欢迎。
I'm glad to see you after all these years.
这么多年后我很高兴见到你。
It's been a while.
已经有一段时间了。
Mr. Rogers I should say.
我应该说罗杰斯先生。
You were about this big.
你本来就这么大了。
Well, the last time I saw you, you could lift me up in your arms.
好吧，上次我见到你时，你可以把我抱在怀里。
I don't know if that'd be possible now.
我不知道现在是否可以。
She's doing real well.
她做得很好。
It's taken six months to arrange this meeting.
安排这次会议花了六个月的时间。
Mr. Rogers is an incredibly busy man.
罗杰斯先生是一位非常忙碌的人。
And his staff, though they're kind and well meaning, is protective of his time.
他的员工虽然很友善、善意，但也会保护他的时间。
There had been some debate about where we'd meet with Fred.
关于我们在哪里与弗雷德见面存在一些争论。
We finally settled on the WQED studios, where Mr. Rogers has filmed his show for the last 30 years.
我们最终选定了 WQED 工作室，过去 30 年罗杰斯先生一直在这里拍摄他的节目。
Because, as his chief assistant told me, Fred feels most comfortable around a piano.
因为，正如他的首席助理告诉我的那样，弗雷德在钢琴周围感觉最舒服。
Welcome to this neighborhood.
欢迎来到这个街区。
Oh, is this it?
哦，是这个吗？
I show Fred the pictures of my family visiting him when I was four.
我给弗雷德看了我四岁时家人来看望他的照片。
In one of them he's in beach clothes holding me in his arms, my parents on either side.
其中一张照片中，他穿着沙滩服，将我抱在怀里，我的父母在两侧。
I ask him what he remembers about our visit, but it was a long time ago.
我问他对我们的访问还记得什么，但那是很久以前的事了。
He's met thousands of kids since then.
从那时起，他遇到了成千上万的孩子。
And though he's too polite to say it, I don't think he remembers me specifically.
尽管他很有礼貌，没有说出来，但我认为他并不记得我。
Or what we did that day.
或者那天我们做了什么。
But ordinarily I would play and ask the children to sing, It's a beautiful day in-- you know?
但通常我会玩耍并要求孩子们唱歌，这是美好的一天——你知道吗？
And sometimes I would ask children-- I don't know whether I ask you.
有时我会问孩子们——我不知道我是否问过你们。
But I would ask them if they could recognize different characters from the Neighborhood of Make-Believe.
但我会问他们是否能认出来自虚构街区的不同角色。
That's what I remember.
这就是我所记得的。
Mr. Rogers Do you remember that?
罗杰斯先生您还记得吗？
Yeah, I remember us-- I thought, well, this can't be right.
是的，我记得我们——我想，好吧，这不对。
I remember there being the entire set of the Land of Make-Believe in here in this building in this picture.
我记得这张照片中的这座建筑里有整个虚构之地的布景。
But then, you didn't have all the set and the cast and everything.
但那时，你并没有拥有所有的布景、演员和一切。
But just the fact that the puppets were probably there.
但事实上木偶可能就在那里。
They may not have even been there.
他们甚至可能根本不在那儿。
The sound of them could have been there.
他们的声音可能就在那里。
Meow, meow, beautiful meow.
喵喵，美丽的喵。
Meow, meow, Henrietta meow, meow cat.
喵，喵，亨丽埃塔喵，喵猫。
And I'm X the Owl, I was just flying around looking for all of you.
我是猫头鹰 X，我只是到处飞来寻找你们所有人。
Hey, welcome to this neighborhood.
嘿，欢迎来到这个街区。
Up till now, I've never interviewed a dude who punctuates his points by pulling puppets out of a little gym bag and talking in the voice of an owl.
到目前为止，我还从未采访过一个通过从健身包里拿出木偶并用猫头鹰的声音说话来强调自己观点的人。
But with Mr. Roger's, it doesn't seem weird.
但对于罗杰先生来说，这似乎并不奇怪。
It's hard to describe his presence exactly, the strength of it.
很难准确地描述他的存在及其力量。
When you talk with him, he's utterly engaged.
当你和他谈话时，他会全神贯注。
He asks a lot of questions and he seems to actually care about what you say.
他问了很多问题，而且他似乎真的很关心你说的话。
He let's the feelings come right to the surface.
他让我们的感受直接浮现出来。
I've never been around someone who's both so vulnerable and so fearless about showing you who he is.
我从来没有遇到过一个既如此脆弱又如此无所畏惧地向你展示他是谁的人。
Still, playing pretend with him, sometimes you just don't know what to say.
不过，和他一起玩假装，有时你就是不知道该说什么。
It was Daniel Striped Tiger that finally tripped me up.
最终绊倒我的是丹尼尔条纹老虎。
Listen for when I lose it.
当我失去它时，请听我说。
I'm still pretty shy.
我还是很害羞。
Davy Rothbart Hi Daniel.
戴维·罗斯巴特 嗨，丹尼尔。
Hi, how are you Davy?
嗨，戴维，你好吗？
Davy Rothbart Good to meet you.
戴维·罗斯巴特 很高兴认识你。
Thanks and this one stripe of mine is awfully itchy.
谢谢，我的这一条纹非常痒。
I wonder if you could scratch it?
我想知道你能刮吗？
I'd be happy to.
我很乐意。
Mr. Rogers That's it.
罗杰斯先生 就是这样。
Oh boy, that feels so good.
哦，孩子，那感觉真好。
I was a factory reject.
我是工厂的废品。
What do you mean by that Dan?
你说的丹是什么意思？
You look all right to me.
你在我看来还不错。
The thing is, I never looked like a fierce tiger.
问题是，我从来都不像一只凶猛的老虎。
And hardly any tiger lives in a clock.
几乎没有老虎生活在钟表里。
But that's who I am.
但这就是我。
And after a while, if you get to know me, you probably accept me exactly as I am.
过了一段时间，如果你了解我，你可能会完全接受我本来的样子。
The way I accept you.
我接受你的方式。
That's wonderful.
太棒了。
When I told people at my neighborhood I was going out to visit Mr. Rogers, they kept wondering the same thing.
当我告诉邻居们我要出去拜访罗杰斯先生时，他们一直在想同样的事情。
What would Mr. Rogers do if he had to deal with the problems in our neighborhood?
如果罗杰斯先生必须解决我们社区的问题，他会怎么做？
Fred agreed to talk to me about what goes on there and share his thoughts.
弗雷德同意和我谈谈那里发生的事情并分享他的想法。
So come with me, won't you, to my neighborhood.
跟我来吧，好吗？到我家附近去吧。
A very special place I call the 1800 block of West Augusta.
一个非常特别的地方，我称之为西奥古斯塔 1800 街区。
Our first stop, Julie, who doesn't like the loud music from the apartment below.
我们的第一站是朱莉，她不喜欢楼下公寓里吵闹的音乐。
I get the broom, the weapon of choice, and I come out and I pound it on the floor.
我拿起扫帚，这是我选择的武器，然后我出来，把它砸在地板上。
OK, the truth is her loud downstairs neighbor-- it's me.
好吧，事实是她楼下那个吵闹的邻居——那就是我。
Just a few little-- Julie Well, Davy, you know it wasn't just a few.
只是一些——朱莉嗯，戴维，你知道这不仅仅是一些。
That's a leading question.
这是一个引导性问题。
You're leading the witness.
你正在引导证人。
It can be more if the music doesn't get turned down immediately.
如果音乐没有立即关掉，可能会更多。
I've only done this twice.
我只做过两次这样的事。
I've only done it twice.
我只做过两次。
Haven't I?
我没有吗？
Actually, the way I remember it, they were banging on the floor a couple nights a week for a month.
事实上，据我记忆，他们一周有几个晚上敲打地板，持续了一个月。
Finally one night I went upstairs, acting all innocent.
终于有一天晚上，我装出一副天真无邪的样子上楼了。
Look, what's going on up here?
看看，上面发生了什么？
We're trying to get some rest downstairs, but there's this constant hammering sound.
我们正想下楼休息一下，但楼下一直传来敲击声。
Is everything all right?
一切都好吗？
I think I had Julie's husband, Greg, kind of discombobulated.
我想朱莉的丈夫格雷格有点困惑。
He was like, I think that's my wife.
他说，我想那是我的妻子。
The music.
音乐。
The turf war actually began the first day my roommate and I moved in.
事实上，地盘争夺战从我和室友搬进来的第一天就开始了。
We'd play music.
我们会播放音乐。
Julie would send Greg to knock on our door.
朱莉会派格雷格来敲我们的门。
Or sometimes just bang that broom on the floor.
或者有时只是把扫帚敲在地板上。
We eventually worked out that quiet hours would start after 10 PM.
我们最终确定晚上 10 点后开始实行安静时段。
But still, sometimes we'd have friends over and yeah, we'd play our music anyways.
但有时我们还是会有朋友过来，是的，我们还是会演奏我们的音乐。
Me and my roommate, we both figured Julie was crazy.
我和我的室友都认为朱莉疯了。
And actually, we kind of felt sorry for Greg.
事实上，我们有点为格雷格感到难过。
But I guess our music was pretty rough on her.
但我猜我们的音乐对她来说相当粗暴。
It's like if you're being tortured in a prison camp.
这就像你在战俘营里遭受酷刑一样。
They do something to you enough.
他们对你做的事情已经够多了。
After a while, you're like, ah, stop the madness.
过了一会儿，你会想，啊，停止疯狂吧。
It's just the bass sound.
这只是低音。
It's just kind of a thumping sound.
这只是一种重击的声音。
And I don't know why, it just drove me insane.
我不知道为什么，它让我发疯。
And so even it was a little bit, Greg wouldn't even be able to hear it and I'd be like, oh my God, do you hear that?
所以即使是一点点，格雷格也听不到，我会说，天哪，你听到了吗？
Let's check back in with Mr. Rogers for a quick second.
让我们快速回顾一下罗杰斯先生的情况。
Here's his take on things.
这是他对事情的看法。
Hey, you're taking her side.
嘿，你站在她一边。
You haven't even heard the whole story.
你甚至还没有听过整个故事。
Oh, OK.
哦，好吧。
Davy Rothbart Well, no, that is the whole story.
戴维·罗斯巴特 好吧，不，这就是整个故事。
OK, you're on her side?
好吧，你是站在她这边的吗？
But Fred, it's my space.
但是弗雷德，这是我的空间。
Can't I listen to loud music in my space?
我不能在自己的空间里大声听音乐吗？
I mean, what's wrong with that?
我的意思是，这有什么问题吗？
You can, but you can put headphones on.
可以，但是你可以戴上耳机。
Now silence, we started with silence and I will always uphold a person's right to silence.
现在沉默，我们从沉默开始，我将永远维护一个人保持沉默的权利。
But I'm super sensitive about this stuff.
但我对这些东西超级敏感。
I am so sensitive that sometime-- I was in Florida not too long ago and the traffic was so loud that I slept in the closet.
我是如此敏感，以至于不久前我在佛罗里达州，交通太吵闹，以至于我睡在壁橱里。
I took the cushions from the couch and made a bed in the closet.
我从沙发上拿出垫子，在壁橱里铺了一张床。
Go into the closet.
走进衣柜。
Davy Rothbart Exactly.
戴维·罗斯巴特 没错。
I have a feeling you're getting to know Julie though.
不过我有一种感觉，你开始了解朱莉了。
And once you do know her, then either your music isn't going to bother her so much or you're going to care so much about her that you'll probably turn it down a couple notches anyway.
一旦你认识了她，那么要么你的音乐不会太打扰她，要么你会非常关心她，以至于你可能会把它降低几个档次。
How'd you know that?
你怎么知道的？
Mr. Rogers had broke it down perfect.
罗杰斯先生把它完美地分解了。
That's exactly what's happened between me and Julie.
这正是我和朱莉之间发生的事情。
We're not fighting over music anymore.
我们不再为音乐而争吵。
I think for a lot of people, the only way they come in contact with their neighbors is through conflict.
我认为对于很多人来说，他们与邻居接触的唯一方式就是通过冲突。
I might not have even gotten to know Greg and Julie if she wasn't always banging on the floor.
如果格雷格和朱莉不是总是敲打地板，我可能都不会认识她。
But while the three of us were hanging out that night in their apartment, they told me a story that, at the time, I didn't pay any attention to.
但是那天晚上我们三个人在他们的公寓里闲逛时，他们给我讲了一个故事，当时我并没有注意到。
But later, made me see something.
但后来，让我看到了一些东西。
There's an invisible architecture that links together the folks who share a neighborhood.
有一个无形的架构将共享社区的人们联系在一起。
Greg and Julie were talking about our landlady's dog.
格雷格和朱莉正在谈论我们女房东的狗。
Not the one she has now, but her old dog, the one that disappeared mysteriously.
不是她现在拥有的那只，而是她的老狗，那只神秘失踪的狗。
Greg had the inside scoop from the landlady.
格雷格从女房东那里得到了内幕消息。
I had asked her what had happened to the dog and she said she let it out and somebody stole it.
我问她那只狗出了什么事，她说她把它放了出来，然后有人偷走了它。
So we were kind of like, you know what?
所以我们有点像，你知道吗？
Nobody would have stolen that dog.
没有人会偷那只狗。
Nobody would have stolen that dog.
没有人会偷那只狗。
That dog was so old it was-- what is that word when you can't-- incontinent.
那只狗太老了——失禁了——你不能用这个词来形容。
A few days later I ran into my neighbor from across the street, Mike.
几天后，我遇到了街对面的邻居迈克。
A guy who makes his living fixing cars.
一个以修车为生的人。
Not in a shop, he just lines them up by the curve in front of his apartment.
他不在商店里，只是在公寓前面的拐角处把它们排列起来。
And my landlady's dog came up again out of nowhere.
我女房东的狗又突然出现了。
We were just BSing about something totally different, the meaning of the word "neighbor."
我们只是在胡说八道一些完全不同的东西，即“邻居”这个词的含义。
To me, a neighbor is a friend, like family.
对我来说，邻居就是朋友，就像家人一样。
But there's some people that no matter how much you try to be nice, they're unappreciative.
但有些人，无论你如何努力表现得友善，他们都不领情。
Like the landlady from here.
就像这里的女房东一样。
She accused me one day of stealing her dog.
有一天，她指责我偷了她的狗。
It sounds a little funny, but it's true.
听起来有点好笑，但却是事实。
And the dog was just about as old as she is.
这只狗的年龄和她差不多大。
What would I want with a dog-- he was so old he couldn't even hardly walk or see.
我想要一只狗做什么——他太老了，几乎不能走路或看东西。
Mike's a good guy.
迈克是个好人。
He's like the unofficial mayor of my neighbor.
他就像我邻居的非官方市长。
He knows everybody.
他认识每个人。
He's always waving.
他总是在挥手。
His daughter asked him once if his arm gets tired by the end of the day.
有一次，他的女儿问他，一天结束时，他的手臂是否会感到疲劳。
Now and then I see Mike going up and down the street with a big broom, a one man volunteer cleaning brigade.
我时不时地看到迈克拿着一把大扫帚在街上走来走去，他是一名单人志愿者清洁队。
He's not the kind of guy who steals dogs from old ladies.
他不是那种从老太太那里偷狗的人。
But she's 80 something years old, so I understand.
但她已经80多岁了，所以我理解。
She's a little senile.
她有点老态龙钟了
So my sister had a beautiful dog.
所以我姐姐有一只漂亮的狗。
She had the shots for it, paid for the shots.
她有注射的机会，也支付了注射的费用。
She had the license, everything.
她有驾照，什么都有。
I went out of my way.
我特意走了一趟。
I gave it to my neighbor Jeannie and told her to give it to her, the landlady here.
我把它给了我的邻居珍妮，并让她把它给她，这里的女房东。
And I gave it to Jeannie to give to her because if I would have gave it to her, she probably wouldn't have taken it.
我把它给了珍妮，让她给她，因为如果我把它给她，她可能不会接受。
And to this day, she does not know that I gave her that dog.
直到今天，她还不知道那只狗是我给她的。
I don't need to tell you, this is the kind of story Mr. Rogers likes to hear.
不用我告诉你，这就是罗杰斯先生喜欢听的故事。
My, what a tender heart.
我的心，多么温柔啊。
And that'd be somebody that you'd like to know.
那就是你想认识的人。
Is this somebody that you know?
这是你认识的人吗？
Oh, I know him well, yeah.
哦，我很了解他，是的。
He lives across the street from me.
他住在我的街对面。
What a fine young man.
多么好的一个年轻人啊。
Davy Rothbart Across the street from my apartment there's a boarded up building that everyone says used to be a brothel.
戴维·罗斯巴特 我公寓的街对面有一座用木板封起来的建筑，每个人都说它曾经是一家妓院。
The next building over belongs to a kid named Hoppy and his blind grandfather, Pete.
下一栋楼属于一个名叫霍皮的孩子和他失明的祖父皮特。
About 15 or 20 folks stay at their place.
大约有 15 或 20 人留在他们的地方。
More than once I've seen the cops go in there and bring someone out in handcuffs.
我不止一次看到警察走进去，把一个戴着手铐的人带出来。
Hoppy and Pete keep a kind of used car lot going on the street in front of their building.
霍皮和皮特在他们大楼前的街道上开了一个二手车停车场。
Cars that Mike fixes up.
迈克修理的汽车。
In fact, I bought my car from them, a '73 Ford LTD. Every time I pull up Mike whistles and shakes his head and says, "It's a cruiser, man.
事实上，我的车是从他们那里买的，一辆'73福特有限公司。每次我把车停下来时，迈克都会吹口哨，摇摇头说：“这是一艘巡洋舰，伙计。
It's a cruiser."
这是一艘巡洋舰。”
These days, there's not as many old Cadillacs and Lincolns parked on the block at night.
如今，晚上停在街区上的旧凯迪拉克和林肯车已经不多了。
More Saturns and Explorers and shiny VW Jettas.
更多土星和探索者以及闪亮的大众捷达。
Old buildings are being demolished.
旧建筑正在被拆除。
In their place, three storey condominiums sprout right up.
取而代之的是三层公寓拔地而起。
The condos are taking over all our neighborhood.
公寓正在占领我们所有的街区。
Our neighborhood ain't even here no more.
我们的邻居已经不在这里了。
It's gone.
它消失了。
On the corner of [?
在[?的拐角处
Anre ?] and Iowa, just after dark, three teenagers were hanging out sipping duece deuces-- 22 ounce bottles of beer.
安雷？]和爱荷华州，天黑后不久，三个青少年正在闲逛，喝着 Duece deuces——22 盎司的瓶装啤酒。
Gustavo, Isaac, and Hernando, whose nickname is "The Mouth." And who has probably lived at 10 different apartments in a four block radius.
古斯塔沃、艾萨克和埃尔南多，他们的绰号是“嘴巴”。谁可能住在方圆四个街区内的 10 套不同的公寓里。
Everywhere in this neighborhood, March Field and Cortes, [UNINTELLIGIBLE] and Cortes, [UNINTELLIGIBLE] and Cortes.
在这个街区到处都是马奇·菲尔德和科尔特斯，[无法辨认]和科尔特斯，[无法辨认]和科尔特斯。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] and Walcot.
[难以理解]和沃尔科特。
Chicago and Wood, everywhere, you name it.
芝加哥和伍德，随处可见。
I lived all around here and I know more.
我住在这附近，我知道得更多。
I can't afford the rent.
我付不起房租。
Papa's got to move out.
爸爸得搬出去了。
But I still come back.
但我还是回来了。
I'll always be here.
我会永远在这里。
Regardless what?
无论如何？
Who moves in, I'll always be here.
谁搬进来，我就永远在这里。
You can take the gangbanger away from the hood, but you can't take the hood away from a gangbanger.
你可以把黑帮的头巾拿掉，但你不能把黑帮的头巾拿掉。
As gangmembers go, these guys are pretty low-key.
作为帮派成员，这些人相当低调。
They sell weed and hang out drinking.
他们卖大麻并出去喝酒。
I had decided to talk to them because when I roaming my neighborhood talking to my neighbors, the same thing kept coming up.
我决定和他们谈谈，因为当我在附近漫步和邻居交谈时，同样的事情不断出现。
A lot of people were afraid of their neighbors.
很多人都害怕他们的邻居。
Who exactly are you afraid of?, I'd ask.
我问你到底害怕谁？
They all answered the same way.
他们都以同样的方式回答。
The gangbangers.
黑帮分子。
The kids in baggy jeans and basketball jerseys who cruise the neighborhood with their stereos bumping.
孩子们穿着宽松的牛仔裤和篮球运动衫，带着音响在附近闲逛。
The gangbangers, they said.
他们说，是黑帮分子。
Those are the bad neighbors.
这些都是坏邻居。
I guess it's no surprise The Mouth had his own idea about who the bad neighbors are, the ones who fear and distrust him.
我想，对于谁是坏邻居、谁是害怕他、不信任他的人，“嘴巴”有自己的看法，这并不奇怪。
There was a neighbor in the neighborhood that he didn't agree with what we did so much.
附近有一个邻居，他非常不同意我们所做的事情。
So he's stand in his house with a video camera and record what we were doing.
所以他拿着摄像机站在他的房子里，记录我们正在做的事情。
Try to bring it to the beat meetings.
尝试将其带到节拍会议上。
He used to follow us around with cameras.
他常常拿着相机跟踪我们。
Literally, follow us around the neighborhood with cameras.
从字面上看，用相机跟随我们在附近走动。
And say, I'm going to call the cops on you.
并说，我要报警抓你。
For what?
为了什么？
We ain't bothering you.
我们不打扰你。
That's what I think the worst neighbor is.
我认为这就是最糟糕的邻居。
They come in here fearing us and maybe thinking that we're going to do this and do that.
他们来这里是因为害怕我们，也许认为我们会这样做、那样做。
But we'll talk to you, you know what I'm saying, bro?
但我们会和你谈谈，你知道我在说什么吗，兄弟？
We ain't animals, bro.
我们不是动物，兄弟。
We're normal people like you.
我们和你一样都是普通人。
Someone like me and him who don't have everything.
像我和他这样一无所有的人。
We were drinking a Heineken.
我们喝的是喜力啤酒。
In their house, what do they do?
在他们的家里，他们做什么呢？
They drink maybe some wine or something.
他们可能会喝点酒什么的。
And to us, where we're standing on a pavement, this is our house.
对我们来说，站在人行道上的地方就是我们的房子。
I got an older relationship with his neighborhood than the building they live in.
我和他的邻居的关系比他们居住的大楼的关系还要久远。
[SINGING] You are the only one like you, like you, my friend.
[唱歌] 你是唯一一个像你一样的人，像你一样，我的朋友。
I like you.
我喜欢你。
Back in Mr. Rogers' neighborhood, we talk things over.
回到罗杰斯先生的邻居，我们讨论了事情。
Whether it's music, or a dog that's vanished, or neighbors who fear each other.
无论是音乐，还是失踪的狗，还是互相恐惧的邻居。
It becomes clear that what he'd do in any of these situations is pretty much the same.
很明显，他在任何这些情况下都会做的事情几乎都是一样的。
I can tell you what I would hope that I would do.
我可以告诉你我希望我会做什么。
I would hope that I would be brave enough to visit.
我希望我有足够的勇气去参观。
It's so easy to condemn when we don't know.
当我们不知道时，很容易谴责。
And if I would visit you and find out that you are a reasonable person, I could tell you about my sensitivities and see if it would make any difference to you.
如果我拜访您并发现您是一个通情达理的人，我可以告诉您我的敏感性，看看这是否会对您产生任何影响。
Producer Alex Blumberg comes in with a questions.
制片人亚历克斯·布隆伯格带着问题进来。
You said if you were in Davy's neighbor situation, you said that you hoped you would have enough courage to go down and visit.
你说如果你处于戴维邻居的情况，你说你希望你有足够的勇气下去拜访。
And a lot of what you were finding when you were talking to people had to do with that same sort of notion.
当你与人们交谈时，你发现的很多东西都与同样的概念有关。
And I'm wondering, what is it that we're afraid of do you think?
我想知道，你认为我们害怕什么？
Perhaps we think that we won't find another human being inside that person.
也许我们认为我们不会在那个人的内心找到另一个人。
Perhaps we think that, oh, there maybe are people in this world who I can't ever communicate with.
也许我们会想，哦，也许这个世界上有一些我永远无法交流的人。
And so I'll just give up before I try.
所以在尝试之前我就会放弃。
And how sad it is to think that we would give up on any other creature who's just like us.
想到我们会放弃任何其他像我们一样的生物，这是多么悲伤。
Half the people around here wouldn't even-- if they would listen to this tape they wouldn't put that three faces that are behind the talking.
这里有一半的人甚至不会——如果他们愿意听这盘磁带，他们就不会把那三张面孔放在谈话背后。
They wouldn't put it together because they wouldn't sit there and think that we're intelligent enough to think.
他们不会把它们放在一起，因为他们不会坐在那里认为我们有足够的智慧来思考。
To sit there and think about stuff like that that happens in everyday life.
坐在那里思考日常生活中发生的事情。
They look at us as kids that are just probably doing bad.
他们将我们视为可能表现不佳的孩子。
They don't need to do that because we don't look at them and say, oh, they're rich snobs.
他们不需要这样做，因为我们不会看着他们说，哦，他们是富有的势利小人。
We say it's a person carrying their life, doing what they're doing.
我们说这是一个人承载着自己的生活，做着自己正在做的事情。
Minding their business.
管好他们的事。
Just because I carry my life in a different way, you don't have to fear me.
只是因为我以不同的方式过着我的生活，你不必害怕我。
We'll talk to you, have a good time.
我们会和你谈谈，祝你玩得开心。
Maybe we got stuff in common.
也许我们有共同点。
A few weeks ago in the middle of the night there was a huge fire in the building next door to Hoppy and Pete's.
几周前的半夜，霍皮和皮特家隔壁的大楼发生了一场大火。
Nobody seemed to be hurt.
似乎没有人受伤。
Every one on the block came out of their buildings and stood on the sidewalks, watching the blaze and looking around at each other.
街区里的每个人都从自己的建筑物里出来，站在人行道上，看着大火，互相环顾四周。
Everyone in t-shirts and bathrooms and nightgowns, blinking their eyes, the light from the fire on their faces.
每个人都穿着T恤、浴室和睡衣，眨着眼睛，火光照在他们的脸上。
In a moment like that, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard for everyone to just see each other as people, the way Mr. Rogers and The Mouth both talk about.
在这样的时刻，对于每个人来说，就像罗杰斯先生和《嘴》所说的那样，将彼此视为人似乎并不那么困难。
But you know how it goes.
但你知道事情是如何进行的。
After an hour, the firemen rolled up their hoses, the trucks drifted away, and everyone disappeared back into their own apartments.
一个小时后，消防员卷起水龙带，卡车渐行渐远，每个人都消失在自己的公寓里。
Davy Rothbart.
戴维·罗斯巴特。
He's the creator of Found magazine.
他是《Found》杂志的创始人。
His new book, Found Two comes out this month as he heads out on a 36 city tour.
他的新书《Found Two》本月出版，他将开始 36 个城市的巡演。
Details at www.foundmagazine.com.
详情请见 www.foundmagazine.com。
[MUSIC- "DEAR HEARTS AND GENTLE PEOPLE" BY BING CROSBY]
[音乐 - Bing Crosby 的《亲爱的心和温柔的人们》]
Act Two, The Girl Next Door.
第二幕，邻家女孩。
So you want to be a good person, you want to be a good neighbor.
所以你想成为一个好人，你想成为一个好邻居。
But most of us have gotten into a situation at one point or another when that was just not very easy.
但我们大多数人都曾在某个时刻遇到过一种情况，而这并不容易。
Cheryl Wagner tells this story.
谢丽尔·瓦格纳讲述了这个故事。
The little girl next door is driving me crazy.
隔壁的小女孩快把我逼疯了。
I think she wants something from me.
我想她想从我这里得到一些东西。
Tucker says I'm just imagining it.
塔克说我只是想象而已。
She must be about 11 now, a medium brown, black, maybe Spanish girl with hair tied back in a perfect bun.
她现在大概 11 岁左右，是一个中等棕色、黑色、也许是西班牙女孩，头发在脑后扎成一个完美的发髻。
In the time that I've lived next door to her.
那段时间我住在她隔壁。
she's grown about two feet and gotten her first real bike, a Walmart mountain bike.
她长高了大约两英尺，并得到了她的第一辆真正的自行车，一辆沃尔玛山地自行车。
At first she only turn circles in her small front yard and navigated the cracked sidewalks between our houses.
起初，她只是在她的小前院转圈，然后在我们房子之间破裂的人行道上行走。
But now she's gone biking for hours at a time.
但现在她一次骑自行车几个小时。
I'd tell you her name, but I've blocked it.
我本想告诉你她的名字，但我已经屏蔽了。
She knows mine, though I don't remember ever telling it to her.
她知道我的，尽管我不记得曾经告诉过她。
We both live in shotgun, so the alley between our houses is about five feet wide.
我们都住在霰弹枪里，所以我们房子之间的小巷大约有五英尺宽。
Maybe smaller.
也许更小。
Sound ricochets up, amplified and bouncing between our houses into my windows.
声音在我们的房屋之间反弹、放大并弹入我的窗户。
I hate that.
我讨厌那样。
Since I started growing tomatoes, bananas, eggplant, whatever I can get to sprout in my backyard, the little girl has been hanging around on the wood stoop outside her bedroom door overlooking my backyard.
自从我开始在后院种植西红柿、香蕉、茄子以及任何我能发芽的植物以来，这个小女孩就一直在她卧室门外的木台阶上闲逛，俯瞰着我的后院。
Ariella.
阿丽埃拉。
That's her name.
那是她的名字。
It just snuck up on me when I wasn't trying to think of it.
当我不想去想它的时候，它就悄悄地出现在我身上。
I had just turned 30 and I'm already losing my mind.
我刚满30岁，我已经失去理智了。
OK, so first Ariella liked my dog, Buster.
好吧，首先艾瑞拉喜欢我的狗巴斯特。
A basset hound, I'd say.
我想说的是巴吉度猎犬。
Why is he so short?
他为什么这么矮？
He was made like that so he could sneak under bushes in the woods better when he's hunting foxes in another country.
他被造成这样，是为了当他在另一个国家狩猎狐狸时，他可以更好地潜入树林里的灌木丛下。
France maybe.
也许是法国。
He hunts?
他打猎？
No. Well, yeah.
不，嗯，是的。
But just chicken bones and beer and French fries and stuff when we go on walks.
但我们散步的时候就只有鸡骨头、啤酒、炸薯条之类的东西。
No foxes here.
这里没有狐狸。
Is he a pit bull, the boy cousins would say when they came over.
他是斗牛犬吗？堂兄弟们过来时会说。
He mean?
他的意思是？
No, Ariella would boss.
不，阿里埃拉会发号施令。
Sometimes I would hear her through my back screen door whispering Buster's name over and over through the chicken wire fence I made so he wouldn't escape and go eat stuff under people's houses.
有时候，我会听到她透过后纱门，透过我做的铁丝网，一遍又一遍地低声念叨巴斯特的名字，这样他就不会逃跑，去别人房子下面吃东西了。
Ariella's cousins would come over and I think maybe they were slipping my dog candy and chewies and bubble gum.
阿丽拉的表兄弟姐妹会过来，我想他们可能正在给我的狗糖果、咀嚼糖和泡泡糖。
Because I would find wrappers all around Ariella's little stoop by my fence.
因为我会在我的栅栏旁的阿丽埃拉的小门廊周围找到包装纸。
She and Buster fell in love because he wags himself in half when she says his name.
她和巴斯特坠入爱河，因为当她说出他的名字时，他把自己摇成两半。
Wish I was like that.
但愿我也是这样的人。
Here comes the bad part.
糟糕的部分来了。
This spring Ariella gets a plant and puts it out of her side stoop by where I'm gardening and waters it when I'm gardening.
今年春天，阿丽拉（Ariella）买了一棵植物，把它放在我做园艺的地方的侧廊上，并在我做园艺的时候给它浇水。
And her plant does OK for a while.
她的植物在一段时间内表现良好。
But she doesn't water it every day, so it starts to brown and curl.
但她没有每天给它浇水，所以它开始变成棕色并卷曲。
So I begin watering it for her.
于是我开始给她浇水。
One day I give her six Miracle-Gro sticks to bury near its roots.
有一天，我给了她六根 Miracle-Gro 棒，让她埋在它的根部附近。
Because it looks so wilty I feel bad for her.
因为它看起来太枯萎了，我为她感到难过。
Other than that, I try not to get involved because I know how attached kids around here can get.
除此之外，我尽量不参与其中，因为我知道这里的孩子们会多么依恋。
Does that make me a bad person?
这会让我成为一个坏人吗？
Ariella's mother has this terrible boyfriend.
阿丽拉的母亲有一个糟糕的男朋友。
He's tall, wide, imposing, bushy hair and beard.
他身材高大、宽阔、气势磅礴、头发浓密、胡须浓密。
Old work truck.
老工作卡车。
Brings craw fish, crabs, and fish by in burlap sacks that sit and steep in the sun in our alley.
用粗麻袋带来小龙虾、螃蟹和鱼，将它们放在我们的小巷里，浸泡在阳光下。
Drinks Miller tallboys until he's yelling on the front step.
喝米勒高脚男孩直到他在前面的台阶上大喊大叫。
The works.
作品。
Though in his defense I should say that he does toss the tallboys in our recycling bin, instead of on the ground or under the house.
不过，在他的辩护中，我应该说，他确实把高个子男孩扔进了我们的回收箱，而不是扔在地上或房子下面。
The boyfriend and the mother, a wiry woman in her late 30s, get drunk on Saturdays.
男友和母亲（一位 30 多岁、身材瘦削的女人）每周六都会喝醉。
Sometimes Fridays, Thursdays, and Sundays.
有时周五、周四和周日。
And scream and yell and throw things while Ariella hides in her bedroom near my backyard.
当阿丽埃拉躲在我后院附近她的卧室里时，她会尖叫、大喊、扔东西。
Which brings me to, is it just fighting or more?
这让我想到，这只是战斗还是更多？
I'm not opposed to calling the police when I hear what sounds like beating.
当我听到类似殴打的声音时，我并不反对报警。
No one has any visible bruises, but it sounds like chairs and couches against walls.
没有人有任何明显的瘀伤，但听起来就像椅子和沙发靠墙。
Ariella's whole world being ransacked.
艾瑞拉的整个世界都被洗劫一空。
I hear the fighting in my living room and in my bedroom even with mine and their music turned up.
即使我的客厅和卧室里放着音乐，我也能听到打斗声。
I hear fighting over my friend's band practicing next door.
我听到有人在为隔壁练习的朋友乐队打架。
I hear fighting over their friend's screaming drunken 60 soul hits.
我听到他们的朋友因醉酒后尖叫的 60 次灵魂打击而发生争吵。
The soundtrack to my life is Fats Domino, sad, old motown, all wailed against the other side of my wall, trying to submerge the neighborhood in dreamy water songs.
我生活的配乐是《Fats Domino》，悲伤的、古老的汽车城，所有人都在我墙的另一边哀号，试图让邻居淹没在梦幻般的水歌中。
Calm things down.
让事情平静下来。
Last spring, Ariella's mother sat with her on our side stoop and helped her with her homework.
去年春天，阿丽拉的母亲和她一起坐在我们旁边的门廊上，帮助她做作业。
Ariella make straight A's.
艾瑞拉（Ariella）获得全A。
Some days I'd hear her mother calmly chiding her to clean up her room.
有时我会听到她妈妈平静地责备她打扫房间。
This summer rolled around quick, and now the lunkhead boyfriend's around all the time.
这个夏天过得很快，现在傻瓜男友一直在身边。
What would I tell the police?
我要告诉警察什么？
I don't think Ariel should have to listen to all that?
我认为爱丽儿不必听这些？
You are not going to stand there and talk to me like a bitch and use that language in front of my daughter.
你不会像个婊子一样站在那里跟我说话，并在我女儿面前使用这种语言。
One day I came home and there was a small manila envelope in my mailbox.
有一天，我回到家，邮箱里有一个小小的马尼拉信封。
It said, cheer up.
它说，振作起来。
Have a good day.
祝你有美好的一天。
From Ariella, the little girl next door.
来自邻家小女孩Ariella。
I opened up the envelope and there was a smiling wooden clothes pin with googly eyes glued to it.
我打开信封，里面有一个微笑的木制衣夹，上面粘着一双瞪大的眼睛。
And I panicked.
我惊慌失措。
I called my mom and asked her what I should do.
我打电话给妈妈，问她我该怎么办。
She said, thank her.
她说，谢谢她。
I said, I'm afraid she wants something.
我说，我怕她想要什么。
Don't scrutinize everything my mom said.
不要仔细检查我妈妈所说的一切。
I didn't know what I wanted to give her in return.
我不知道我想回报她什么。
I couldn't just knock on her door and thank her face to face.
我不能直接敲她的门并当面感谢她。
I wound up picking some flowers I had grown and leaving them with a note on her front step one morning before I left for work.
一天早上，我去上班前，我摘了一些自己种的花，并在她的门前台阶上留下了一张纸条。
I don't know if she ever got them.
我不知道她是否曾经得到过它们。
Recently I've stopped seeing her on the side stoop so much.
最近我很少看到她弯腰驼背了。
She got her bike and started riding.
她拿到自行车并开始骑行。
Her mother casually says to me one morning, sorry if I was beating on your door and ringing your doorbell and screaming for help last night.
一天早上，她妈妈漫不经心地对我说，如果我昨晚敲你的门、按你的门铃、尖叫求救，我很抱歉。
My boyfriend had too much to drink and got a little crazy.
我男朋友喝多了，有点疯了。
I thought he was going to kill me.
我以为他要杀了我。
That's why the police were here.
这就是警察来这里的原因。
I told him not to come around anymore, but I don't know.
我告诉他不要再过来了，但我不知道。
Sometimes I want to take Ariella for an ice cream, but then I think how possible that is.
有时我想带 Ariella 去吃冰淇淋，但后来我想这怎么可能。
An ice cream?
冰淇淋？
I showed her a tiny wood Buddha once for a report she was doing for school and her mother was jealous.
有一次，我给她看了一个小木佛，因为她正在为学校做报告，她妈妈很嫉妒。
Ariella's father drove in from out of town in a Mercedes SUV with this new wife and kid straight out of a Tommy Hilfiger ad last summer and picked Ariella up.
去年夏天，Ariella 的父亲带着这位刚从 Tommy Hilfiger 广告中走出来的新妻子和孩子，开着一辆奔驰 SUV 从城外过来接了 Ariella。
While she was gone, the mother kept stopping me on the sidewalk in front of our houses.
当她离开时，母亲一直在我们家门前的人行道上拦住我。
She said that Ariella was excited because on her way home she was going to get to ride in an airplane.
她说阿里埃拉很兴奋，因为在回家的路上她将要乘坐飞机。
She said that Ariella had been scared to leave because she thought something bad was going to happen to her mother.
她说，阿里埃拉一直不敢离开，因为她认为她的母亲会发生不好的事情。
I told her mother to call on the phone if she needed anything because my doorbell doesn't work.
我告诉她妈妈如果需要什么就打电话，因为我的门铃坏了。
She said thanks, but she didn't ask for my phone number.
她说了声谢谢，但没有问我的电话号码。
A couple of weeks ago, Tucker hammered some rotten railings off the Ariella side of the house.
几周前，塔克用锤子敲掉了房子阿里埃拉一侧的一些腐烂的栏杆。
Our slumlord was about to kick us out and sell the place.
我们的贫民窟老板正要把我们赶出去并卖掉这个地方。
And all four of us were thinking about getting a low income loan and pitching in $200 each for the mortgage, so we wouldn't have to move to a dangerous neighborhood.
我们四个人都在考虑申请低收入贷款，并每人提供 200 美元作为抵押贷款，这样我们就不必搬到一个危险的社区。
We were trying to fix up the place for the government inspectors.
我们正在努力为政府检查人员收拾地方。
One of the rotten railings had a message penciled on it in a child's round handwriting.
其中一根腐烂的栏杆上用儿童的圆体笔迹用铅笔写着一条信息。
"You were not good neighbors," the railing said.
“你们不是好邻居，”栏杆上写着。
"You never say hello."
“你从来不打招呼。”
When my old roommate loaned a little boy down the street from us a bike pump, the boy never brought it back.
当我的老室友向我们街上的一个小男孩借了一个自行车打气筒时，那个男孩再也没有把它带回来。
And then one of his cousins got shot.
然后他的一个堂兄弟被枪杀了。
So my friend didn't want to ask for his pump back, even though he didn't have the money for a new one.
所以我的朋友不想要求恢复他的泵，尽管他没有钱买新的。
Maybe that's how I feel.
也许这就是我的感受。
Last night I cracked open the door because I heard slamming and cursing and someone yelling, is it going to be 911?
昨晚我打开门，因为我听到砰的一声、咒骂声，还有人大喊，是 911 电话吗？
I saw the mother's brother throw a 10-speed at her.
我看到母亲的兄弟向她扔了一个10速的。
I saw him shove her into the street.
我看见他把她推到街上。
Ariella was standing on the front sidewalk near them the whole time holding a portable phone with her finger pointed at the dial.
阿丽拉一直站在他们附近的前人行道上，手里拿着一部便携式电话，手指指着拨号盘。
Ariella's in charge of dialing 911.
阿丽拉负责拨打 911。
She looked up over her shoulder at me.
她抬头看着我。
I shut the door.
我关上了门。
Tucker said, do not call the police.
塔克说，不要报警。
He'll know it was you.
他就会知道是你干的
I said, I can't stand it.
我说，我受不了了。
But I didn't call that night.
但那天晚上我没有打电话。
Why did the police always tell when they say they won't?
为什么警察说不会的时候却总是说出来？
The brother left and the shouting stopped.
哥哥走了，喊叫声也停止了。
I called the YWCA 24 hour crisis line.
我拨打了 YWCA 24 小时危机热线。
They said, does the woman want help?
他们说，那个女人需要帮助吗？
We can't help people unless they want to be helped.
除非人们愿意得到帮助，否则我们无法帮助他们。
Do you have any reason to believe the child is being physically harmed in some way?
您是否有理由相信孩子的身体受到了某种程度的伤害？
The next day the mother stopped me and said Ariella was worried about me worrying.
第二天，母亲拦住了我，说阿丽埃拉担心我担心。
I said I never know if I should call the police.
我说我不知道是否应该报警。
She said only call if her boyfriend is trying to hurt her, not if her brother is trying to hurt her.
她说，只有当她的男朋友试图伤害她时才打电话，而不是当她的兄弟试图伤害她时才打电话。
Just the boyfriend.
只是男朋友。
Then call.
然后打电话。
She kept apologizing.
她不断地道歉。
I want to get rid of my chicken wire and put up this big fence between our houses.
我想去掉我的铁丝网，在我们的房子之间竖起一道大栅栏。
I think about it whenever I go outside.
每当我出去的时候我都会想这个问题。
Yesterday I went to the green project salvage place and picked out some metal grid.
昨天我去绿化工程打捞处挑选了一些金属网格。
The week before, I bought one of those cheap rolls of bamboo.
前一周，我买了一卷便宜的竹子。
The other afternoon, Tucker helped me put it up, but none of it was tall enough.
那天下午，塔克帮我把它放起来，但都不够高。
And this morning when I went outside, a breeze had knocked everything down.
今天早上，当我出去时，一阵微风吹倒了一切。
Cheryl Wagner, a version of her story originally appeared on the website openletters.net.
Cheryl Wagner，她的故事的一个版本最初出现在 openletters.net 网站上。
Coming up, who let the rats out.
快来了，谁把老鼠放出来了。
Why that's never going to be the words to a hit song.
为什么这永远不会成为热门歌曲的歌词。
In a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
国际公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
It's This American Life , I'm Ira Glass.
这就是美国生活，我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Class Each week on our program, of course, we choose some theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目中，我们都会选择一些主题，为您带来关于该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, neighbors and how even people who want to love their neighbors, want to love their neighbors as themselves, end up in confusion and in trouble with their neighbors.
今天的节目，邻居们，甚至那些想爱邻居、想爱邻居如己的人，最终却陷入了与邻居的困惑和麻烦之中。
We have arrived at act three of our show.
我们已经到了演出的第三幕了。
Act three, The Ratman Cometh.
第三幕，鼠人降临。
Katie Davis has this story of people wanting to do the right thing on the block where she grew up in Washington, DC.
凯蒂·戴维斯 (Katie Davis) 讲述了这样一个故事：人们希望在她长大的华盛顿特区街区做正确的事。
The block where she still lives now.
她现在还住的街区。
Mostly coming up my block I get this cozy claustrophobic feeling.
大多数时候，当我来到我的街区时，我都会有一种舒适的幽闭恐惧症的感觉。
Two and three story row houses are squeezed together.
二层和三层的排屋挤在一起。
There's the Nelson's house where I first got drunk playing cards.
我第一次在纳尔逊家打牌喝醉的地方就是在那里。
Next to it is Erica's dad's house where I heard about Nixon's enemy list.
旁边是艾丽卡爸爸的房子，我在那里听说了尼克松的敌人名单。
Two doors down is 1773 where Frank Sanchez's mother shot his father in the bathtub.
再往前走两扇门就是 1773 年，弗兰克·桑切斯 (Frank Sanchez) 的母亲在浴缸里枪杀了他的父亲。
We stayed up all night that night.
那天晚上我们彻夜未眠。
And then, in the middle of the block, right before you get to the fire house, the light opens up.
然后，在街区中间，就在你到达消防站之前，灯亮了。
A low stucco house stands apart, setback from the street.
一栋低矮的灰泥房子矗立着，远离街道。
It's an old farmhouse really, painted peppermint green and surrounded by a saggy picket fence.
这确实是一座古老的农舍，漆成薄荷绿，周围环绕着下垂的尖桩篱栅。
The oldest house on the block, built when there were just fields here.
街区最古老的房子，建于这里还只有田地的时候。
Bobby, who grew up a block over says, it's the kind of house he and his friends went to on purpose on Halloween to scare themselves.
在一个街区之外长大的鲍比说，他和他的朋友们在万圣节故意去这种房子来吓自己。
We stand on the sidewalk looking through the pokeweed and overgrown bushes, which come up to our shoulders.
我们站在人行道上，透过商陆和杂草丛生的灌木丛往外看，这些灌木一直高到我们的肩膀。
It's closed up.
它已经关闭了。
There's no sign.
没有任何迹象。
It looks like no one lives there.
看起来好像没有人住在那里。
And there's sheets in the windows.
窗户上还有床单。
There's no lights hardly ever on in there.
里面几乎没有灯。
So it's just a spooky place.
所以这只是一个令人毛骨悚然的地方。
The house belongs to Mrs. G.
这所房子属于 G 女士。
She's 85 and has lived on my street since the 1940s.
她今年 85 岁，从 20 世纪 40 年代起就住在我住的街上。
Although she acts like she's still on the farm she grew up on in North Carolina.
尽管她表现得好像仍在北卡罗来纳州长大的农场里。
I see her scatter food scraps for the birds like her yard is a chicken coop.
我看到她把食物残渣撒给鸟儿，就像她的院子是鸡舍一样。
But the bread crumbs and fish heads draw more rats than sparrows.
但面包屑和鱼头吸引的老鼠多于麻雀。
It stinks so bad that the UPS man, Gancy, he won't go to the door anymore and he just leaves her packages in the yard.
臭气熏天，UPS 的工作人员甘西不再去门口，只是把她的包裹留在院子里。
I've seen the backyard.
我见过后院。
I've seen the front yard.
我见过前院。
I've never seen anything inside the house.
我从来没有见过房子里面有任何东西。
Only rumors.
只是谣言。
The only thing I know about the interior of that house I believe is all rumor.
我对那所房子内部的唯一了解我相信都是谣言。
I stood at the front door and I saw a beautiful painting inside the entry.
我站在前门，看到入口处有一幅美丽的画。
And there were cockroaches, literally crawling around the painting.
还有蟑螂，确实在画周围爬行。
Her stepson showed me pictures of the interior.
她的继子给我看了室内的照片。
It was filled, filled, filled with debris.
它充满了、充满了、充满了碎片。
Mrs. G will sit on a cement bench in the middle of the pokeweed all day.
G夫人会整天坐在商陆中间的水泥长凳上。
She used to be there with her worty looking dog, Morgan.
她曾经和她那只看起来很漂亮的狗摩根一起在那里。
But he died a few years ago.
但他几年前去世了。
She took a bad turn after that.
此后，她的处境变得很糟糕。
Started looking raggedy and wearing pants and shirts with big tears.
开始看起来衣衫褴褛，穿着裤子和衬衫，泪流满面。
I find myself looking away when I'm talking to her because it feels wrong to get a glimpse of her pale, creepy skin.
当我和她说话时，我发现自己把目光移开，因为看到她苍白、令人毛骨悚然的皮肤感觉很不对劲。
Around the time that Morgan died, the rats really started taking over.
摩根去世前后，老鼠真正开始占据主导地位。
Marin lives three doors down in 1773.
1773 年，马林就住在相隔三扇门的地方。
I have seen these rats.
我见过这些老鼠。
I'll be talking with Mrs. G on the sidewalk and behind her, the rats will be in front of her door just hopping.
我将在人行道上与 G 夫人交谈，在她身后，老鼠会在她的门前跳来跳去。
Like playing tag in broad daylight, my goodness.
就像光天化日之下玩捉迷藏一样，我的天啊。
They're very bold.
他们非常大胆。
They felt very well at home because she ignores them, chooses not to see them.
他们感觉就像在家里一样舒服，因为她不理睬他们，选择不去看他们。
Or maybe she even feeds them.
或者也许她甚至喂它们。
Perhaps they're her pets.
也许它们是她的宠物。
I don't really know.
我真的不知道。
Rats act different at Mrs. G's house.
G 太太家里的老鼠行为有所不同。
Out of the blue about a year ago, Judith my neighbor, the lawyer, she called to say Mrs. G pets the rats.
大约一年前，我的邻居、律师朱迪思突然打电话说 G 太太养了老鼠。
Have you seen her, Judith?
你见过她吗，朱迪丝？
No. She said, but Bebe has.
不，她说了，但贝贝说了。
When I asked Bebe, Bebe said, I didn't see her, someone else did.
当我问贝贝时，贝贝说，我没有看到她，是别人看到的。
No matter, Mrs. G is now the lady who pets the rats.
不管怎样，G夫人现在是那个饲养老鼠的女士了。
On the one side and Mrs. G's there's the fire house and on the other, there's Bebe and Fernando and their three kids.
一侧是 G 夫人的消防站，另一侧是贝贝和费尔南多以及他们的三个孩子。
They've lived next door for 20 years.
他们在隔壁已经住了20年了。
And in the last four, it's become horrible.
在过去的四场比赛中，情况变得很可怕。
A few months ago, the family cat and dog, Gata and Tinkerbell started to sit like statues in the kitchen pantry.
几个月前，家里的猫和狗加塔和小叮当开始像雕像一样坐在厨房的储藏室里。
Just sit there, staring at a big bag of pet food.
就坐在那里，盯着一大袋宠物食品。
At first, Bebe and Fernando thought their pets had suddenly becomes really smart, able to communicate that they were hungry.
起初，贝贝和费尔南多认为他们的宠物突然变得非常聪明，能够表达出它们饿了。
When they moved the pet food though, they found a huge hole in the pantry floor.
然而，当他们搬动宠物食品时，他们发现食品储藏室地板上有一个大洞。
Rats had gnawed through the brick, through the mortar, and electrical wiring, right into their kitchen.
老鼠咬穿了砖块、砂浆和电线，一直咬穿了他们的厨房。
That same day, Fernando went out and bought a bunch of rat traps.
同一天，费尔南多出去买了一堆捕鼠器。
The first time that I got one, there was like-- this was a six inch big rat over there.
我第一次得到一只老鼠时，感觉那是一只六英寸大的老鼠。
You caught one in the house?
你在屋子里抓到一只了吗？
Fernando Oh yeah, right here.
费尔南多 哦，是的，就在这里。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] the sink.
[无法辨认]水槽。
Mrs. G is lucky that her next door neighbors are Fernando and Bebe.
G 太太很幸运，她的隔壁邻居是费尔南多和贝贝。
They are both community activists.
他们都是社区活动家。
They believe in compromise and working things out.
他们相信妥协和解决问题。
Sit with them a while and they'll tell you that it hasn't been all bad living next to her.
和他们一起坐一会儿，他们会告诉你，住在她旁边并不全是坏事。
That she's great with their kids and their pets.
她对他们的孩子和宠物很好。
She's part of this community.
她是这个社区的一部分。
One of the best community member that we have.
我们拥有的最好的社区成员之一。
She walks the street all day.
她整天在街上走。
She talks to people.
她与人交谈。
She's very friendly to all the people on the block.
她对街区里的所有人都非常友好。
She say hi to everyone.
她向大家打招呼。
She knows who is who on the block.
她知道街区里谁是谁。
And every one of us talk to her.
我们每个人都和她交谈。
We are not walking away from her.
我们不会离开她。
We don't screaming to her.
我们不会对她尖叫。
It's true.
这是真的。
Every month Mrs. G brings me a $20 bill for the neighborhood fund that helps pay rent for an elderly carpenter who can't afford the rising rents on our street.
G 太太每个月都会给我带来一张 20 美元的邻里基金账单，该基金帮助一位无力承担我们街道上不断上涨的租金的老年木匠支付租金。
That's much more than some of the high-powered lawyers on the block have ever given.
这比该地区一些有权势的律师所付出的要多得多。
For years, Bebe and Fernando have tried talking to Mrs. G about the rats.
多年来，贝贝和费尔南多一直试图与 G 夫人谈论老鼠的事情。
They've talked to her over and over.
他们和她谈了一遍又一遍。
They offered to help her cleanup up her yard and the house.
他们主动提出帮助她清理院子和房子。
Mrs. G always says, I'll take care of it.
G 夫人总是说，我会处理的。
But nothing gets done.
但什么也没做。
And the rats keep multiplying.
而且老鼠还在不断繁殖。
We really feel very much caught.
我们真的感觉自己被抓住了。
This is an elderly person who clearly needs help.
这是一位显然需要帮助的老人。
Our way and who we are does not allow us to impose certain kinds of things that would put her in a position that she would lose property or even her own freedom.
我们的方式和我们是谁，不允许我们强加某些会让她失去财产甚至自由的事情。
This really drives Bebe crazy.
这实在是让贝贝抓狂了。
She can fix most anything.
她几乎可以解决任何问题。
I go to her when I'm stuck on tough problems.
当我遇到棘手的问题时我会去找她。
Tenants facing eviction, a suicidal teen, or a kid who can't read.
面临驱逐的房客、有自杀倾向的青少年或不识字的孩子。
Bebe always knows what to do.
贝贝总是知道该做什么。
She started to feel trapped though, in her own house.
但她开始感到被困在自己的房子里。
She couldn't sit on her porch or leave her windows open because of the stench of the rats and the cats.
由于老鼠和猫的恶臭，她不能坐在门廊上，也不能打开窗户。
It's not our nature to use enforcement.
强制执行不是我们的本性。
But here, this is a situation where there's very little we can do.
但在这种情况下，我们无能为力。
We've done the talking.
我们已经谈完了。
We've done the conversation.
我们已经谈完了。
We try not to be the angry, mean neighbors.
我们尽量不要成为愤怒、刻薄的邻居。
Let me tell you, I hear it from every neighbor on the block.
让我告诉你，我从街区的每个邻居那里都听到了这样的说法。
And very often I hear, so why don't you do something about it?
我经常听到，那你为什么不做点什么呢？
So three years ago, Bebe finally called the Department of Housing and the Department of Health for an inspection.
于是三年前，贝贝终于给住房部和卫生部打电话要求检查。
Nothing happened.
什么也没发生。
Bebe called again, knowing full well that if the system ever got triggered, serious things could happen to her neighbor.
贝贝再次打来电话，她很清楚，如果系统被触发，她的邻居可能会发生严重的事情。
For a long time, Mrs. G was blessed with the amazing incompetence of the DC government.
很长一段时间，G夫人都对华盛顿特区政府的惊人无能感到庆幸。
The sluggish workers charged with enforcement would get a call, put it on their list, and now and then get around to sending someone out.
负责执法的行动迟缓的工作人员会接到电话，将其列入他们的名单，然后时不时地派人出去。
One day an instructor knocked on Mrs. G's door and was apparently chased away by rats.
有一天，一位教练敲开了G女士的门，显然被老鼠赶走了。
Or, I think she was swarmed by a pack of rats.
或者，我认为她被一群老鼠包围了。
That's what people say anyway.
无论如何，人们就是这么说的。
Every time I asked Mrs. G if I could get her version of all of this in an interview, she said no. Sometimes nicely and sometimes not so nicely.
每次我问 G 女士是否可以在采访中得到她对这一切的看法时，她都说不。有时很好，有时不太好。
Seeing the government failing, Judith, the lawyer, made a calculation that money might be the thing to move Mrs. G.
看到政府的失败，律师朱迪思盘算了一下，金钱可能是打动 G 夫人的办法。
She dispatched a developer to buy both her houses.
她派了一个开发商买下了她的两套房子。
With the DC housing boom, they're worth-- even in their terrible shape-- at least a million dollars.
随着华盛顿房地产的繁荣，即使它们的状况很糟糕，它们的价值也至少有一百万美元。
The developer called me to find out what I knew.
开发商打电话给我询问我所知道的情况。
And after a while, he laid his cards on the table.
过了一会儿，他把牌摆到了桌子上。
I just put my grandmother in a home he said and I can help Mrs. G get into one.
我刚刚把我的祖母安置在他说的房子里，我可以帮助 G 夫人住进去。
I was beside myself.
我简直要疯了。
I couldn't imagine anyone but Mrs. G in that house, rats and all.
我无法想象那所房子里除了 G 太太之外还有其他人，还有老鼠等等。
And what was this developer planning anyway?
那么这个开发商到底有什么计划呢？
To whitewash the house?
要把房子刷白吗？
Maybe bulldoze it and build condos.
也许用推土机推平它并建造公寓。
You see, that's how rumors get started.
你看，谣言就是这样开始的。
I actively, viciously, spread rumors about this developer because I didn't like the way he said, "She deserves to live in a nice place."
我积极、恶毒地散布关于这位开发商的谣言，因为我不喜欢他说的“她应该住在一个好地方”。
I got my neighbors riled up.
我惹怒了我的邻居。
I dangled the gentrification threat, which worries old-timers on the block.
我提出了中产阶级化的威胁，这让街区的老一辈人感到担忧。
I even got Fernando going.
我什至让费尔南多继续前进。
Even though a developer could be his salvation and his key to fresh air.
尽管开发商可能是他的救赎，也是他获得新鲜空气的关键。
I think that this anti-neighbor approach, that's really jeopardizing the neighborhood and the community.
我认为这种反邻居的做法确实危害了邻里和社区。
Because see, that developer coming is affecting every one of us.
因为你看，开发人员的到来正在影响我们每个人。
And that's the problem.
这就是问题所在。
Because I, as a neighbor, if I see that you're bringing in 50 unit building next to my house, I will scream and I will prefer to keep her.
因为我，作为邻居，如果我看到你在我家旁边引进50单元的建筑，我会尖叫，我会宁愿保留她。
In the end, it was Mrs. G who stonewalled the developer.
最后，还是G太太对开发商进行了阻挠。
Wouldn't talk to him, even after he left her flowers.
即使在他给她送花之后，也不会和他说话。
She is masterful at sidestepping people.
她很擅长避开人。
It's hard.
这很难。
I want Mrs. G to change.
我希望G夫人改变。
I want her to quit creating problems for my neighbors.
我希望她不要给我的邻居制造麻烦。
And yet, I admire her stubbornness and tenacity.
但我还是很佩服她的顽强和毅力。
But you know, what is she holding onto?
但你知道，她在坚持什么？
A big pile of putrid garbage and wet newspapers pasted thick with cat piss?
一大堆腐烂的垃圾和粘满猫尿的湿报纸？
This is something both Bebe And Marin have thought about.
这是贝贝和马林都想到过的事情。
Clearly from conversations with her son and others, something drastically changed when her husband died.
从她与儿子和其他人的谈话中可以明显看出，她丈夫去世后，事情发生了巨大的变化。
And somehow, a part of her has stood still.
不知何故，她的一部分已经静止了。
She's talked about her husband a lot.
她经常谈论她的丈夫。
It was a real love story.
这是一个真实的爱情故事。
They were, I guess, sweethearts in high school.
我猜他们是高中时期的情侣。
But then they married different people.
但后来他们嫁给了不同的人。
And years later, they reunited and married.
多年后，他们重聚并结婚。
And it sounded like they were very much in love.
听起来他们非常相爱。
I've heard neighbors say they used to walk down the sidewalk hand in hand.
我听邻居说他们曾经手牵着手走在人行道上。
My Claude is what she calls him.
她就是这么称呼我的克劳德的。
My Claude could fix anything.
我的克劳德可以解决任何问题。
There was a time when the Green house had all its shutters up, every picket in place.
曾经有一段时间，温室里所有的百叶窗都关上了，每个纠察队都就位了。
I don't think Mrs. G counted on the DC government ever reforming.
我认为 G 夫人并不指望华盛顿特区政府会进行改革。
But two years ago, people elected a new mayor here and he set about coordinating city services.
但两年前，人们在这里选举了一位新市长，他开始协调城市服务。
They started keeping a record of complaints and cross referencing them, getting the Department of Health to talk to the Department of Housing.
他们开始记录投诉并交叉引用，让卫生部与住房部进行对话。
And then, just when all that was in place last summer, Bebe took advantage of a windless day to sit outside on her porch to discuss a project with a colleague.
然后，就在去年夏天一切准备就绪时，贝贝利用无风的一天坐在外面的门廊上与一位同事讨论一个项目。
And well, the rats started doing their thing.
好吧，老鼠开始做他们的事了。
When Bebe's colleague got back to her office, which happened to be the office of the mayor, she made a few phone calls.
当贝贝的同事回到自己的办公室（正好是市长办公室）时，她打了几个电话。
That same day, Jose [UNINTELLIGIBLE], the new neighborhood services coordinator, got an assignment.
同一天，新的社区服务协调员何塞[无法辨认]接到了一项任务。
Fix the problem at 1767.
修复1767处的问题。
Message one.
留言一.
Jose Hey, Katie, this is Jose.
何塞 嘿，凯蒂，这是何塞。
You know that business about the mountain and Mohammad and like that?
你知道关于山和穆罕默德之类的事情吗？
Let me tell you a specific reason for calling among many.
让我告诉你一个在许多人中间打电话的具体原因。
It's funny how we're all connected.
有趣的是我们都是如何联系在一起的。
I've known Jose since I was a teenager at dance parties.
我十几岁的时候在舞会上就认识了何塞。
He knows Bebe too.
他也认识贝贝。
Their sons play together.
他们的儿子们一起玩耍。
So you can see where Jose might take the rats personally.
所以你可以看出何塞可能会亲自对待老鼠。
Probably the most important thing to know is this.
也许最重要的是要知道这一点。
Jose has only had this job as a neighborhood fixer for a few months and he likes it.
何塞担任邻居修理工的工作才几个月，他很喜欢这份工作。
He has his own cellphone, a government car, and a really good salary.
他有自己的手机、一辆政府车，还有一份非常不错的薪水。
No way is he going to blow this job.
他绝对不会毁掉这份工作。
He has to fix the problem at Mrs. G's house.
他必须解决G夫人家里的问题。
The situation at 1767 has reached what they call critical mass.
1767 年的情况已经达到了他们所谓的临界点。
Even the fire people next door are now complaining about the amount of rats in that house.
就连隔壁的消防人员现在也抱怨那所房子里有很多老鼠。
And she's going to have to do something.
她必须做点什么。
I don't exactly know how we're going to approach this, but it's not going to be as kindly and careful as before because it really is--
我完全不知道我们将如何处理这个问题，但它不会像以前那样友善和谨慎，因为它确实是——
So Jose went out to talk with Mrs. G and he kept on going, pressuring her, pressuring me to pressure her.
于是何塞出去和G女士谈话，他继续向她施压，向我施压，向她施压。
So I pressured Jim, the pastor up the street, to talk to her because Mrs. G will listen to a preacher over any of us.
所以我向街边的牧师吉姆施压，让他跟她谈谈，因为 G 夫人会比我们任何人都更愿意听牧师的话。
I think it was the preacher who convinced her to let Jose clean up her yard.
我认为是牧师说服她让何塞清理她的院子。
We were all impressed.
我们都印象深刻。
Mrs. G never lets anyone help her.
G 夫人从不让任何人帮助她。
She actually said, OK, come on Friday.
她实际上说，好吧，周五来。
And we did.
我们做到了。
Three fire marshalls, Gerard the rat man, Jose, two neighbors, and myself.
三个消防队长，鼠人杰拉德，何塞，两个邻居，还有我自己。
Would you like us to help you out with the back of your yard?
您希望我们帮助您打理后院吗？
No, that's what [UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE].
不，这就是[难以理解的短语]。
She doesn't want our assistance now.
她现在不需要我们的帮助。
How you doing?
你好吗？
How you doing, lieutenant?
你好吗，中尉？
Man 3 It's also her birthday today too.
男人3 今天也是她的生日。
When we get there, Mrs. G has beat us to it.
当我们到达那里时，G 女士抢先了我们。
The pokeweed, her beloved pokeweed is cut down to the ground.
商陆，她心爱的商陆被砍到了地上。
The bushes trimmed, all with her kitchen scissors.
灌木丛都是用她的厨房剪刀修剪的。
Mrs. G stands in her yard, the front door fully visible for the first time in six months.
G 夫人站在她的院子里，六个月来第一次前门完全可见。
She lets me record this day, maybe because she thinks it will shield her from the city officials.
她让我记录这一天，也许是因为她认为这样可以保护她免受市政府官员的伤害。
Well, I just enjoy doing it myself.
嗯，我只是喜欢自己做。
And I did it.
我做到了。
And I was proud that I could do it myself.
我很自豪我自己能做到。
Mrs. G is hoping she's done enough to make us go away.
G 夫人希望她所做的足以让我们离开。
But everyone keeps offering to do more.
但每个人都不断主动提出要做更多事情。
Mrs. G is laughing, but I can tell her teeth are clenched.
G 夫人在笑，但我看得出来她的牙齿紧咬着。
She never sounds this high pitched.
她从来没有发出这么高的音调。
She's really softer.
她确实比较温柔。
Robbed of their mission, the city workers poke around for something they can do.
城市工作人员被剥夺了使命，四处寻找他们能做的事情。
Can we rake?
我们可以耙吗？
No. Can we put a smoke detector inside your house?
不可以。我们可以在您的房子里安装烟雾探测器吗？
No. No thank you.
不，不，谢谢。
Jose is trying not to notice that his party is a bust.
何塞试图不去注意他的政党已经破产。
That he got us all here for nothing.
他无缘无故把我们都带到了这里。
He leans over to inspect a drain with Mrs. G.
他俯身和 G 夫人一起检查排水沟。
You're a tough, old lady.
你是个坚强的老太太。
Mrs. G I've had to be.
G夫人，我不得不这么做。
I still don't get it.
我还是不明白。
I really don't.
我真的不知道。
Because I mean--
因为我的意思是——
Well, you're used to be people wanting help.
嗯，你们过去都是需要帮助的人。
I don't.
我不知道。
Even what you've done in the garden, I mean it seemed to me-- I'd like to get some guy to help you trim the rest of it and clean the rest of it down.
即使你在花园里做了什么，我的意思是，在我看来——我想找个人来帮你修剪剩下的部分并清理掉剩下的部分。
But you don't want to do that.
但你不想这样做。
You want to do it yourself.
你想自己做。
Out on the sidewalk I pulled Gerard aside.
走到人行道上，我把杰拉德拉到一边。
He's a city rat exterminator and he is gentle, almost courtly with Mrs. G.
他是一名城市灭鼠员，性格温和，对 G 夫人几乎彬彬有礼。
He'd love to kill the rats in her yard, in her house.
他很想杀死她院子里、她房子里的老鼠。
He'd be a legend in the rat world, if she would just let him.
如果她愿意的话，他将成为老鼠界的传奇人物。
I feel that she do't want us to do too much for her because she don't want people to know her.
我觉得她不想让我们为她做太多，因为她不想让人们认识她。
And the more she let people do for her, the more you'll know her.
她让人们为她做的事情越多，你就越了解她。
And what would we learn?
我们会学到什么？
That she doesn't mind roaches and rats?
她不介意蟑螂和老鼠吗？
We already know that.
我们已经知道了。
I keep thinking about what Mrs. G said to Jose, "You're used to people wanting help." It's true, we all are.
我一直在想G夫人对何塞说的话：“你已经习惯了人们需要帮助。”这是真的，我们都是。
We figure if someone's alone and struggling with things, then all they need is their neighbor's help.
我们认为，如果有人独自一人并在与事情作斗争，那么他们所需要的就是邻居的帮助。
And if a neighbor offers help, well, problem solved.
如果邻居提供帮助，那么问题就解决了。
It bugs us when people say no. It bugs me anyway.
当人们拒绝时，我们会感到烦恼。无论如何，这让我很烦恼。
I want to say to her, Mrs. G, you help Paul every month with his rent, why won't you let us help you?
我想对她说，G女士，你每个月都帮保罗交房租，为什么不让我们帮你呢？
Three weeks ago, I went down to Bebe and Fernando's house.
三周前，我去了贝贝和费尔南多家。
They're all dreading what's going to happen this summer.
他们都担心今年夏天会发生什么。
It's been eight months since the city came out and the weeds and rats are out of control again.
出城已经八个月了，杂草、老鼠又失控了。
Bebe says the cleanup was purely cosmetic.
贝贝说清理工作纯粹是装饰性的。
That no one ever makes a real dent in the problem.
没有人能真正解决这个问题。
One of the things that I'm afraid also, is that at one point the [UNINTELLIGIBLE] rat is so big in that house and the house is too old that at one point the rats will eat one electrical wire and that will cause a major fire.
我还担心的一件事是，在某一时刻，那所房子里的[难以理解]老鼠太大了，而且房子太旧了，以至于有一天老鼠会吃掉一根电线，从而引发一场大火。
And she will die and everyone will feel guilty for a couple weeks, and life is going on.
她会死，每个人都会在几周内感到内疚，但生活还要继续。
We should call and get the house condemned Fernando says.
费尔南多说，我们应该打电话让房子受到谴责。
Bebe looks at her husband and answers, OK, do it.
贝贝看着她的丈夫，回答说，好吧，就这么做吧。
Make the call.
打电话。
There's a pause and then he mutters, I feel too guilty.
停顿了一下，然后他嘀咕道，我感到太内疚了。
Mrs. G goes to the grocery store every day.
G 太太每天都去杂货店。
I look out my window and see her coming back from the Safeway dragging a cart full of cat food for the strays.
我向窗外望去，看到她拖着一车车从西夫韦回来，里面装满了给流浪者的猫粮。
On Sundays though, Mrs. G combs her white wavy hair to the side, puts on a skirt-- the blue one usually-- and walks up to the Baptist church on 16th street.
不过，到了周日，G 夫人会把白色的卷发梳到一边，穿上裙子（通常是蓝色的裙子），然后走到第 16 街的浸信会教堂。
After the service, Sarah, the secretary at the church, comes and visits a while.
礼拜结束后，教堂的秘书莎拉过来探望了一会儿。
They sit outside on the bench and talk.
他们坐在外面的长凳上聊天。
Never inside.
从来没有在里面。
Not even Sarah goes inside.
甚至莎拉也没有进去。
If it's cold, they just zip their coats up.
如果天气冷，他们就把外套的拉链拉上。
Next door, Fernando has come up with a new approach to his neighbor problems.
隔壁的费尔南多想出了一个解决邻居问题的新方法。
Talking failed, government failed, and real estate money failed.
谈判失败了，政府失败了，房地产资金也失败了。
He just installed an anti-rat device.
他刚刚安装了防鼠装置。
An electronic box that sends out a signal painful to a rat's ear.
发出令老鼠耳朵感到疼痛的信号的电子盒子。
From Mrs. G's yard with the pokeweed coming back, you can barely hear it.
G太太的院子里商陆又回来了，你几乎听不到它的声音。
Katie Davis lives on her block in Washington, DC.
凯蒂·戴维斯住在华盛顿特区她住的街区。
Well, our program was produced today by Starlee Kine and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Blue Chevigny and Jonathan Goldstein.
好吧，我们今天的节目是由 Starlee Kine 和我本人以及 Alex Blumberg、Blue Chevigny 和 Jonathan Goldstein 制作的。
Senior producer Julie Snyder.
高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德。
Elizabeth Meister runs our website.
伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。
Production help from Todd Bachmann and Annie Baxter.
托德·巴赫曼 (Todd Bachmann) 和安妮·巴克斯特 (Annie Baxter) 为制作提供帮助。
Music help from Mr. John Connors.
约翰·康纳斯先生的音乐帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website www.thisamericanlife.org, where you can listen to our programs for absolutely free, or buy CDs of them.
[鸣谢] 我们的网站 www.thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中完全免费收听我们的节目，或购买其中的 CD。
You can download audio of our program at audible.com/thisamericanlife.
您可以在 audible.com/thisamericanlife 下载我们节目的音频。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our show by Mr. Torey Malatia, who-- I don't know.
[资金来源] WBEZ 的管理监督是由 Torey Malatia 先生负责的，我不知道他是谁。
Is this right for a boss?
这适合老板吗？
He's constantly walking up to all of us in the hall and saying--
他经常走到大厅里的我们所有人面前说——
This one stripe of mine is awfully itchy.
我的这一条纹非常痒。
I wonder if you could scratch it.
我想知道你是否可以刮擦它。
Oh boy, that feels so good.
哦，孩子，那感觉真好。
I was a factory reject.
我是工厂的废品。
And I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of this American life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多关于美国生活的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。