179: Cicero - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass Father Jim Kastigar isn't exactly sure what he and his parish did to get on the bad side of town hall, but he's pretty certain that their meeting with the town president was the turning point.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯神父吉姆·卡斯蒂加不太清楚他和他的教区做了什么让市政厅不利的事情，但他很确定他们与镇长的会面是转折点。
His parish is filled with Mexican-Americans, and they had some complaints about the way the local police were treating them.
他的教区充满了墨西哥裔美国人，他们对当地警察对待他们的方式有一些抱怨。
They presented these complaints to the town president at a big meeting in the church and it got pretty heated.
他们在教堂的一次大型会议上向镇长提出了这些抱怨，会议非常激烈。
The town president got mad at them.
镇长对他们很生气。
They got mad at her.
他们对她很生气。
There must have been 500 people there, and they booed.
那里肯定有 500 人，他们发出嘘声。
They actually booed the woman.
他们实际上向这名女子发出了嘘声。
In most towns, that would be the end of it.
在大多数城镇，这一切就结束了。
No big deal.
没什么大不了的。
Not in Cicero, Illinois.
不在伊利诺伊州西塞罗。
Next thing Father Kastigar knew, town hall refused to give the church permit to hold its annual Way of the Cross procession at Easter, a Mexican Catholic tradition they'd held peacefully for seven years.
卡斯蒂加神父知道的接下来的事情是，市政厅拒绝给予教堂在复活节举行一年一度的十字路游行的许可，这是他们和平维持了七年的墨西哥天主教传统。
They fought.
他们打架了。
They got the permit.
他们得到了许可。
Then came the tamale dispute.
接下来就是玉米粉蒸肉纠纷。
The church youth group was going away on a retreat and they needed to raise some money to do it.
教会的青年团体要出去静修，他们需要筹集一些资金来做这件事。
So they stayed up all night making tamales in the home.
于是他们熬夜在家里做玉米粉蒸肉。
And they were out in front of church, selling the tamales, asking for a donation for the youth group retreat.
他们在教堂前卖玉米粉蒸肉，请求为青年团体静修活动捐款。
So I'm just, after mass, I'm still vested.
所以我只是在弥撒之后，我仍然是既得利益者。
Come out in front.
从前面出来。
As I was greeting people and standing on the front porch of church, a policeman comes up.
当我站在教堂的前廊上与人们打招呼时，一名警察走了过来。
Says, have to give you a ticket, Father.
说，必须给你一张票，神父。
I said, what for?
我说那是为了什么？
I was quite surprised, actually.
事实上我很惊讶。
And so the ticket read, "For running a business without a license."
罚单上写着：“无照经营企业。”
So I went to court with a lawyer, just a friend.
所以我和一位朋友一起上了法庭。
The hearing officer said, "Well, you know, you're right.
听证官说：“嗯，你知道，你是对的。
There's nothing in the ordinance that says this, you need a license.
条例中没有任何规定，您需要许可证。
But they clearly meant it to be in the ordinances.
但他们显然有意将其纳入条例中。
But it isn't.
但事实并非如此。
So even though it's not there, you're guilty." Then the lawyer that was helping me asked if it would be necessary for a seven year old child selling lemonade on the street in Cicero to have a business license, and the answer was yes.
所以，即使它不存在，你也是有罪的。”然后帮我的律师问在西塞罗街头卖柠檬水的七岁小孩是否需要营业执照，答案是需要。
The youth group didn't give up.
青年团并没有放弃。
They decided they wanted to get a business license to sell food, fair and square.
他们决定要公平公正地获得销售食品的营业执照。
This meant hepatitis shots and a TB scan and special training course on food sanitation.
这意味着注射肝炎疫苗、结核病扫描以及食品卫生特别培训课程。
They did all that and applied for a license.
他们做了所有这些并申请了许可证。
Just one hour later, they say, an inspector showed up at the church and told them they couldn't get their license until they put in a third sink and some other improvements.
他们说，仅仅一个小时后，一名检查员出现在教堂，并告诉他们，除非安装第三个水槽和其他一些改进，否则他们无法获得许可证。
Then there was the parking problem.
然后是停车问题。
The public school near the church had always left its lot open on Sunday morning for people to use when they went to mass.
教堂附近的公立学校总是在周日早上开放场地，供人们去参加弥撒时使用。
That is, until the city cut off access.
也就是说，直到该市切断通道。
The director of the school, the principal, told me there was an anonymous phone call saying that people were driving through too quickly, very quickly, in the school lot on a Sunday.
学校的主任、校长告诉我，有一个匿名电话说，周日人们在学校停车场开得太快、太快了。
And my room is right above this parking lot, and I'd never seen anybody drive quickly through it, so I thought that was kind of strange.
我的房间就在这个停车场的上面，我从来没有见过有人快速驶过它，所以我觉得这有点奇怪。
There was another anonymous phone call which said that someone on Sunday morning and bumped into the fence, done damage to the school property.
还有另一个匿名电话称，周日早上有人撞上了围栏，对学校财产造成了损坏。
Well, even the principal himself told me, Father, I don't see any damage at all.
嗯，就连校长本人也告诉我，神父，我根本没有看到任何损坏。
But you know, can't do anything about it.
但你知道，对此无能为力。
We have to close the parking.
我们必须关闭停车场。
So they closed the lots.
所以他们关闭了这些地段。
They said the parking lot was not sound, structurally sound, for parking cars.
他们说停车场结构不健全，不适合停车。
Which seems kind of strange, since it's called a parking lot, and because the teachers park there every day.
这看起来有点奇怪，因为它被称为停车场，而且因为老师每天都在那里停车。
The garbage trucks, big, heavy garbage trucks go across.
垃圾车，又大又重的垃圾车过去了。
It certainly seems that the parking lot is fine.
看来停车场确实不错。
The city of Cicero insists that it is not targeting the church for political reasons.
西塞罗市坚称，它并不是出于政治原因而针对教堂。
The timing of these incidents is a coincidence.
这些事件发生的时间纯属巧合。
That the town president, Betty Loren-Maltese, is a Catholic herself, and would never wage war via city inspectors.
镇长贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他本人是天主教徒，绝不会通过城市视察员发动战争。
But longtime residents are skeptical of these kinds of explanations.
但长期居民对这些解释表示怀疑。
Leo Satos moved to Cicero when he was a kid.
利奥·萨托斯（Leo Satos）小时候就搬到了西塞罗（Cicero）。
I can put it to you simple.
我可以简单地告诉你。
Hitler had the SS.
希特勒有党卫军。
Communists had the KGB.
共产党人有克格勃。
Cicero has the code enforcement.
西塞罗负责执行代码。
OK?
好的？
Cicero is like the Twilight Zone.
西塞罗就像暮光之城。
I mean, these are not things that our normal towns in Illinois-- you know, it's not the same in other communities.
我的意思是，这些不是我们伊利诺伊州普通城镇的东西——你知道，在其他社区也不一样。
Ray Hanania was a newspaper reporter who went to work for the town as press secretary for three years.
雷·哈纳尼亚 (Ray Hanania) 是一名报社记者，曾在该镇担任新闻秘书三年。
In other communities, when you get mad at the mayor, you have a dispute with them.
在其他社区，当你对市长生气时，你就会与他们发生争执。
You don't go home worrying about whether you're going to get sued, or whether someone's going to come pounding on your door and inspect your house.
您回家后不必担心是否会被起诉，或者是否有人会敲门检查您的房子。
You have a disagreement.
你们有不同意见。
You move on.
你继续前进。
And even some people end up being friends.
甚至有些人最终成为朋友。
In Cicero it's like, you know, you cross the line, that's it.
在西塞罗那里，你知道，你越过了界限，就是这样。
Cicero is just different.
西塞罗则不同。
For most of the twentieth century, there were direct links between town hall and the mob.
在二十世纪的大部分时间里，市政厅和暴民之间都存在直接联系。
Most of the twentieth century, town hall didn't hesitate to strong-arm anybody.
在二十世纪的大部分时间里，市政厅毫不犹豫地对任何人进行强硬手段。
If city officials decided they didn't like you, you obeyed, you suffered, or you got out of town.
如果市政府官员认为他们不喜欢你，你就会服从，你就会受苦，或者你就会离开这座城市。
And then finally Cicero row that into a fight that it had trouble winning.
最后，西塞罗将其带入了一场难以获胜的战斗。
From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, Cicero, Illinois.
今天我们的节目，伊利诺伊州西塞罗。
The story of a town in a bubble and what happens when the bubble pops.
泡沫中的小镇的故事以及泡沫破裂时会发生什么。
And let's say before we go any further that Cicero is just over the border on Chicago's west side.
在我们进一步讨论之前，我们先假设西塞罗就在芝加哥西侧的边界上。
And although officially it is called a suburb, what it actually looks like is just another West Side Chicago neighborhood.
尽管官方称其为郊区，但实际上它看起来只是芝加哥西区的另一个社区。
Working class families, brick bungalow houses.
工人阶级家庭，砖砌平房。
For decades, Cicero was this place that did not want outsiders moving in.
几十年来，西塞罗一直是这个不欢迎外人入住的地方。
That fought violently against blacks and other minorities coming from town.
他们对来自城镇的黑人和其他少数族裔进行了暴力战斗。
And then at some point, the outsiders came anyway.
然后在某个时候，外人还是来了。
In a sense, this story today is a kind of worst case scenario.
从某种意义上说，今天的这个故事是一种最坏的情况。
You have a town connected to the mob, notoriously racist.
你的小镇与暴徒有联系，是出了名的种族主义者。
So what happens when the town starts to go through the kind of demographic changes that are happening everywhere else, all over America?
那么，当这个小镇开始经历美国其他地方正在发生的人口变化时，会发生什么呢？
What happens when people of other races start to show up in large numbers?
当其他种族的人开始大量出现时会发生什么？
Well, what happened in Cicero wasn't just that the town opposed it, kicking and screaming and fighting every step of the way.
好吧，西塞罗发生的事情不仅仅是镇上的人反对，每一步都踢、尖叫、战斗。
Though they did.
尽管他们做到了。
It's a lot more complicated than that.
实际情况比这复杂得多。
Just a few weeks from now, the first week of April, 2001, the town will hold elections.
几周后，即 2001 年 4 月的第一周，该镇将举行选举。
The same Republican political machine that has run the town for decades faces a Hispanic challenger who the machine is likely to defeat, despite the fact that three-fourths of the town is now Hispanic.
统治该镇数十年的共和党政治机器面临着西班牙裔挑战者，该机器很可能会击败该挑战者，尽管该镇现在四分之三的人是西班牙裔。
Today we explain how that is possible.
今天我们解释一下这是如何实现的。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
I am joined in this very special edition of our program by Alex Kotlowitz, who will be co-hosting the hour.
亚历克斯·科特洛维茨 (Alex Kotlowitz) 也加入了我们这个非常特别的节目，他将共同主持这一小时。
He is the author of the books There Are No Children Here and The Other Side of the River, and he's an occasional contributor to our program.
他是《这里没有孩子》和《河的另一边》两本书的作者，也是我们项目的偶尔撰稿人。
Welcome, Alex.
欢迎，亚历克斯。
Hi, Ira.
嗨，艾拉。
Ira Glass So Alex, our plan here is that sometimes we're going to do these stories together.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：亚历克斯（Alex），我们的计划是有时我们会一起创作这些故事。
Sometimes we're going to trade off between us.
有时我们会在我们之间进行权衡。
Why don't you take us into act one?
你为什么不带我们进入第一幕呢？
Sounds good.
听起来不错。
Act One: Untouchables Alex Kotlowitz Act One.
第一幕：贱民亚历克斯·科特洛维茨 第一幕。
Untouchables.
贱民。
To understand how Cicero handled an influx of Hispanic outsiders, you have to understand how the town traditionally dealt with conflict.
要了解西塞罗如何处理大量西班牙裔外来者的涌入，您必须了解该镇传统上如何处理冲突。
And to understand that-- I know this might sound strange-- we have to talk about Al Capone.
为了理解这一点——我知道这可能听起来很奇怪——我们必须谈谈阿尔·卡彭。
Al Capone moved to Cicero in 1924, when Chicago decided to crack down on the mob.
1924 年，当芝加哥决定镇压暴徒时，阿尔·卡彭 (Al Capone) 搬到了西塞罗 (Cicero)。
In Cicero, he rigged elections with a combination of violence and kidnapping.
在西塞罗，他通过暴力和绑架相结合的方式操纵选举。
He installed and controlled the town president.
他安装并控制了镇长。
He owned the police force.
他拥有警察部队。
He made Cicero into a safe haven for his businesses, which at the time employed hundreds of people.
他让西塞罗成为他的企业的避风港，当时该企业雇用了数百名员工。
However the outside world might see Al Capone, people in Cicero remember him fondly.
不管外界如何看待阿尔·卡彭，西塞罗的人们却深深地记得他。
He was all right.
他没事。
We didn't kick him out of Cicero.
我们没有把他踢出西塞罗。
Here's a lady I met after mass one Sunday at Father Kastigar's church.
这是我周日在卡斯蒂加尔神父教堂举行弥撒后遇到的一位女士。
Sophia Bannick.
索菲亚·班尼克。
He took care of the poor.
他照顾穷人。
I mean, he didn't keep all the money for himself.
我的意思是，他并没有把所有的钱都留给自己。
He'd give out the Thanksgiving baskets, food baskets and that, to the very poor families.
他会把感恩节篮子、食品篮子之类的东西送给非常贫困的家庭。
And so he helped out a lot of families.
所以他帮助了很多家庭。
Here's Christy Berkos, who once was a town lawyer in Cicero, and for a period the town president.
这是克里斯蒂·贝尔科斯，她曾经是西塞罗镇的一名律师，并曾担任过一段时间的镇长。
I do remember Al Capone, way back when.
我确实记得阿尔·卡彭，很久以前。
I was probably five or six years old.
我当时大概五六岁。
He'd get in a little gangway right off of Cicero Avenue and Cermak, and all the kids would gather there, and he would throw change in the air, and all the kids would scramble for all the change.
他会进入西塞罗大道和塞尔马克附近的一个小舷梯，所有的孩子都会聚集在那里，他会把零钱扔到空中，所有的孩子都会争先恐后地抢走所有的零钱。
He did it quite often.
他经常这样做。
You could be traveling in South America or Europe and people would do the international sign of Cicero.
你可能在南美或欧洲旅行，人们会做西塞罗的国际手势。
The fingers like machine guns.
手指就像机关枪。
Again, the town's former press officer, Ray Hanania.
又是该镇的前新闻官雷·哈纳尼亚。
You know, this perception that I would encounter all the time in Cicero was, the mob did a good job of running the city.
你知道，我在西塞罗经常遇到的这种看法是，暴民在管理城市方面做得很好。
They cleaned the streets.
他们清理街道。
And when the mob was in control, we got our garbage picked up, our taxes were low, crime was down.
当暴徒得到控制时，我们的垃圾被捡起来，我们的税收很低，犯罪率也下降了。
No, it was!
不，是这样！
It was, like, amazing.
这真是太棒了。
People would say this?
人们会这么说吗？
People would actually say this?
人家真的会这么说吗？
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, all the time.
我的意思是，一直如此。
And still do.
现在仍然如此。
The town's connection to the mob didn't stop with Al Capone.
该镇与暴徒的联系并没有因阿尔·卡彭而停止。
It continued straight through to the present day.
这种情况一直持续到今天。
In the '90s, the town of Cicero overpaid a mob-connected insurance company $4.5 million.
20 世纪 90 年代，西塞罗镇向一家与黑帮有联系的保险公司多付了 450 万美元。
And investigation is still ongoing.
调查仍在进行中。
In fact, there's been a continuous string of investigations and indictments for decades.
事实上，几十年来一直有一系列的调查和起诉。
Five indictments this year alone, including a few town officials.
仅今年就有五份起诉书，其中包括几名镇官员。
In 1951, Cicero became notorious for something besides Al Capone when an African American family moved to town, a Chicago bus driver named Harvey Clark with his wife and kids.
1951 年，当一个非裔美国人家庭搬到小镇时，西塞罗因阿尔·卡彭以外的事情而变得臭名昭著，他们是芝加哥公交车司机哈维·克拉克 (Harvey Clark) 和他的妻子和孩子。
They kicked off a three day riot in which white mobs entered their apartment and destroyed it, pushing a piano through the wall.
他们引发了为期三天的骚乱，白人暴徒进入他们的公寓并摧毁了它，将一架钢琴推穿了墙壁。
Police watched but did nothing.
警察注视着，但没有采取任何行动。
The governor had to call out the National Guard.
州长不得不出动国民警卫队。
There were other incidents as well.
还有其他事件。
By the '60s, the town was known as the Selma of the north.
到了 60 年代，该镇被称为北方的塞尔玛。
Of course, lots of towns and neighborhoods in the '50s and '60s tried to keep blacks out, but in Cicero, they succeeded.
当然，上世纪 50 年代和 60 年代的许多城镇和社区都试图将黑人拒之门外，但在西塞罗，他们成功了。
Blacks were allowed in Cicero between six in the morning and six at night.
早上六点到晚上六点期间黑人可以进入西塞罗。
Working hours.
工作时间。
After that, you know, you're not welcome anymore.
在那之后，你知道，不再欢迎你了。
Leo Satos and his brother Victor remember how in the '60s, they and their buddies would be hanging around on the street and police would come by and then send them on little missions.
Leo Satos 和他的兄弟 Victor 记得在 60 年代，他们和他们的伙伴在街上闲逛，警察会过来，然后派他们执行一些小任务。
Oh, sure, many times.
哦，当然，很多次。
I mean, we were just sitting around [UNINTELLIGIBLE] at the tractors, and there's two officers come and say, oh, listen, you guys.
我的意思是，我们只是坐在拖拉机旁[难以辨认]，然后有两名警官走过来说，哦，听着，你们这些家伙。
There's a black person over-- well, they didn't refer to them as black then.
那边有一个黑人——嗯，当时他们并不称他们为黑人。
But they'd say, yeah, on 56th and Roosevelt.
但他们会说，是的，在 56 号和罗斯福号。
And it's after six o'clock.
而且已经六点多了。
And our job was to physically escort them out of town.
我们的工作就是护送他们出城。
You know?
你知道？
With rocks, bricks, stones, whatever.
用石头、砖块、石头等等。
You know?
你知道？
And if we didn't, well, we'd end up in jail for illegal gathering or whatever.
如果我们不这样做，那么我们最终会因为非法集会或其他什么原因而入狱。
Loitering.
闲逛。
Leo Satos Yeah.
利奥·萨托斯 是的。
And that'd be the end of story.
故事就这样结束了。
Talking about the black people.
谈论黑人。
We've always had them.
我们一直都有它们。
Again, here's Sophia Bannick, one of the Catholic ladies I met after mass.
这是索菲亚·班尼克（Sophia Bannick），我在弥撒后遇到的一位天主教女士。
Walking down 14th street.
沿着14街走。
Remember, we had National Malibu.
请记住，我们有马里布国家队。
They all worked there.
他们都在那里工作。
They used to go into our stores and ask the butcher to make them a ham sandwich or something.
他们过去常常走进我们的商店，要求屠夫给他们做火腿三明治什么的。
I have a friend who had a tavern.
我有一个朋友，他开了一家小酒馆。
They used to go and have a drink and cash their checks there.
他们过去常常去那里喝酒并兑现支票。
And they walked up and down.
他们走来走去。
We thought nothing of it.
我们没有多想。
In fact, we'd even say hello and everything else.
事实上，我们甚至会打招呼等等。
We were never taught to avoid them or shun them or something.
我们从来没有被教导要避开它们或回避它们或其他什么。
Do you think it would have been different if they had moved on the block, though?
不过，你认为如果他们搬到了街区，情况会有所不同吗？
In the summer of 1966, Martin Luther King Jr. came to Chicago after his successes in the south and he staged marches in Chicago neighborhoods, that weren't far from Cicero.
1966年夏天，马丁·路德·金在南方取得成功后来到芝加哥，在离西塞罗不远的芝加哥社区举行了游行。
But when he threatened to march in Cicero, county officials warned that it would be a "suicide mission." That was the phrase they used.
但当他威胁要在西塞罗游行时，县官员警告说，这将是一次“自杀任务”。这是他们使用的短语。
As recently as the 1980s, a federally monitored effort to desegregate Cicero failed to lure black families to town.
就在 20 世纪 80 年代，西塞罗在联邦监督下废除种族隔离的努力未能吸引黑人家庭来到城镇。
Around that time, a run-in between a police sergeant and one of the few African Americans who had moved to Cicero resulted in 1980s-era mandatory human relations training for the entire Cicero police force.
大约在那个时候，一名警官和少数移居西塞罗的非裔美国人之一之间发生了冲突，导致整个西塞罗警察部队接受了 20 世纪 80 年代的强制性人际关系培训。
Long-time civil rights activist Cal Williams helped organized the session.
长期民权活动家卡尔·威廉姆斯帮助组织了这次会议。
When we got there, most of the people who came in with blue T-shirts with the lettering "Cicero Police and Proud of It" across them.
当我们到达那里时，大多数进来的人都穿着蓝色 T 恤，上面写着“西塞罗警察，为此感到自豪”。
Except for the sergeant.
除了中士。
And he had his own separate T-shirt.
他还有自己单独的T恤。
And it said, "Police Brutality-- The Fun Part of Police Work." And that was their message to us.
上面写着：“警察的暴行——警察工作中有趣的部分。”这就是他们向我们传达的信息。
So this was the environment the Mexican-Americans moved to when they arrived in Cicero starting in the 1970s.
这就是 20 世纪 70 年代墨西哥裔美国人抵达西塞罗时所搬迁的环境。
Hostile residents, hostile officials.
敌对的居民，敌对的官员。
And this is where our story really begins.
这就是我们的故事真正开始的地方。
Act Two.
第二幕。
The Inevitable.
不可避免的。
It was economics that finally integrated Cicero, succeeding where protest marches failed.
正是经济学最终整合了西塞罗，在抗议游行失败的地方取得了成功。
By the '70s and '80s, old Cicero was disintegrating on its own.
到了七十、八十年代，老西塞罗已经自行瓦解。
Industries shutting down, grown kids moving away, the older generation dying off.
工业关闭，成年孩子搬走，老一代人消亡。
Mexican-Americans wanted the houses and realtors needed someone to sell them to.
墨西哥裔美国人想要这些房子，房地产经纪人需要有人把它们卖给他们。
After all the violence when blacks tried to move in, if you ask longtime residents why they felt Mexican-Americans were acceptable neighbors, they often just kind of shrug and reply, well, they weren't black.
在黑人试图搬进来时发生了所有暴力之后，如果你问长期居民为什么他们认为墨西哥裔美国人是可以接受的邻居，他们通常只是耸耸肩并回答说，好吧，他们不是黑人。
Having said that, for the first wave of newcomers, things could get pretty rough.
话虽如此，对于第一波新来者来说，事情可能会变得相当艰难。
This is Frank Aguilera, whose family moved here in the '70s.
我是弗兰克·阿奎莱拉 (Frank Aguilera)，他的家人在 70 年代搬到了这里。
First thing they did to my house was burn my garage, killed my dog, and put a swastika on my doorway.
他们对我家做的第一件事就是烧毁了我的车库，杀死了我的狗，并在我的门口贴了一个纳粹标志。
Killed the dog?
杀了狗？
Frank Aguilera They poisoned him.
弗兰克·阿奎莱拉 他们毒死了他。
In about a week after we moved to Cicero.
我们搬到西塞罗后大约一周。
About 25 years ago.
大约25年前。
Why did you decide to stay?
你为什么决定留下来？
Frank Aguilera Well, I was a child, so I had no choice.
弗兰克·阿奎莱拉 好吧，我还是个孩子，所以我别无选择。
Well, they liked Cicero.
嗯，他们喜欢西塞罗。
You know, they bought their first home.
你知道，他们买了他们的第一套房子。
And it was the American dream, owning their own house.
这就是美国梦，拥有自己的房子。
1980.
1980年。
Just a fraction of the town was Hispanic.
镇上只有一小部分是西班牙裔。
By 1990, it was a third of Cicero.
到 1990 年，这一数字已达到西塞罗的三分之一。
In the 2000 census, Hispanic residents make up 77% of the town.
2000年的人口普查显示，西班牙裔居民占该镇人口的77%。
Drive on Cermak Road and when you see today is a clean, prospering community whose businesses are mostly Mexican.
沿着塞尔马克路行驶，今天您会看到一个干净、繁荣的社区，其企业主要是墨西哥人。
Groceries and banquet halls and banks, with just a handful of aging storefronts that say things like "Dumpling Capital of USA."
杂货店、宴会厅和银行，只有少数老化的店面写着“美国饺子之都”之类的字样。
But as this population shift happened, the old guard that ran the town did everything possible to hold on, which included all sorts of things that no other town anywhere seemed to have ever tried.
但随着人口转移的发生，镇上的守卫们尽一切可能坚持下去，其中包括其他城镇似乎从未尝试过的各种事情。
The person behind most of these efforts was the current president of Cicero, a woman named Betty Loren-Maltese.
大多数这些努力的幕后推手是西塞罗的现任总统，一位名叫贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他的女士。
She's had such a visible profile in Cicero that most everyone there now simply refers to her as "Betty." Here's how she came to power.
她在西塞罗的形象如此引人注目，以至于现在那里的大多数人都简单地称她为“贝蒂”。这就是她如何上台的。
She was once married to a city official named Frank Maltese, 19 years her senior, who also apparently worked as a bookie for a mobster with the unhappy name Rocco Infelise.
她曾经嫁给了一位名叫弗兰克·马耳他（Frank Maltese）的市政府官员，比她年长 19 岁，后者显然还为一个名叫罗科·英菲利斯（Rocco Infelise）的黑帮分子做赌注员。
In 1990, Frank Maltese pled guilty to mob-related gambling charges.
1990 年，弗兰克·马耳他承认与黑帮相关的赌博指控。
But he hadn't started to serve his time when the then-town president died.
但他还没有开始服刑，当时的镇长就去世了。
Frank Maltese was the heir apparent, but facing prison time, he had his wife appointed to the job.
弗兰克·马耳他（Frank Maltese）是法定继承人，但面临牢狱之灾，他任命他的妻子担任这一职务。
She had also been working in the city government.
她还曾在市政府工作。
He died the same year she took office, in 1993, and she named the town's public safety building after him.
1993 年，她上任的同一年，他去世了，她以他的名字命名了该镇的公共安全大楼。
We were unable to determine if it is the only government building in Illinois named after a convicted mobster.
我们无法确定它是否是伊利诺伊州唯一一座以被定罪的黑帮命名的政府大楼。
The white constituents of Cicero feared that having Mexican-Americans in town meant Hispanic gangs were coming to town.
西塞罗的白人选民担心，镇上有墨西哥裔美国人意味着西班牙裔帮派会来到镇上。
And in fact, in some neighborhoods, there some new gang activity.
事实上，在一些社区，出现了一些新的帮派活动。
Betty Loren-Maltese put in place a series of ordinances that was so aggressive that in fact they were were found to violate the United States Constitution.
贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他制定了一系列过于激进的法令，以至于事实上它们被发现违反了美国宪法。
First there was a measure to limit the number of people who could live in any one residence, apparently aimed at big Hispanic families.
首先，有一项措施限制任何一处住宅中可居住的人数，显然是针对西班牙裔大家庭。
Then a measure that would seize the cars of suspected gang members and one that would evict gang members from town.
然后采取一项措施，扣押涉嫌帮派成员的汽车，并将帮派成员驱逐出城镇。
The city start suing the parents of kids who were in gangs.
该市开始起诉帮派儿童的父母。
Ray Hanania worked for Betty Loren-Maltese starting in 1993 and described the kind of debates that would surround these ordinances.
Ray Hanania 从 1993 年开始为 Betty Loren-Maltese 工作，描述了围绕这些法令的争论。
One of the ideas we came up with was when you arrest a street gang member, put them to some public use.
我们提出的想法之一是，当你逮捕一名街头帮派成员时，将其用于公共用途。
Make them sweep the streets.
让他们扫街。
Make them clean windows.
让他们清洁窗户。
Make them scour the graffiti off the garage doors.
让他们擦掉车库门上的涂鸦。
It seemed like a great idea.
这似乎是个好主意。
And Betty just needed to take it one step further.
贝蒂只需要更进一步。
She wanted to make them wear a pink apron.
她想让他们穿上粉红色的围裙。
And the logic was good.
而且逻辑很好。
I mean, when you think about the logic-- she wanted to embarrass.
我的意思是，当你思考逻辑时——她想让人难堪。
She knew that the power of street gangs wasn't just being a member.
她知道街头帮派的力量不仅仅在于成为一名成员。
It was the peer pressure and intimidation.
这是同侪的压力和恐吓。
So put a pink apron on them and let your tough friends see you sweeping the curbs.
所以给他们穿上粉红色的围裙，让你的强硬朋友看到你在扫路缘。
It wasn't exactly a good idea, because I remember it went into the board meeting, and I know a lot of us argued against it.
这不完全是一个好主意，因为我记得它进入了董事会会议，而且我知道我们很多人都反对它。
But again, you know, she has a way of prevailing over everything in Cicero.
但你知道，在西塞罗那里，她有一种战胜一切的方法。
One of the candidates running against her brought a pink apron to town hall just before the election and said, yeah, I like the idea of the pink apron.
一位与她竞争的候选人在选举前带了一条粉红色围裙到市政厅，并说，是的，我喜欢粉红色围裙的想法。
Let's start with your husband, who is a street gang member, too.
让我们从你的丈夫开始吧，他也是街头帮派成员。
And just kind of the whole town board meeting just kind of erupted into pandemonium.
整个镇的董事会会议陷入了混乱。
Everybody yelling, and this pink apron being waved in the air, and Betty screaming at the guy, and the guy screaming at her, and you know, the police intervening-- it was just a mini 1968 Chicago Democratic riot.
每个人都大喊大叫，这条粉色围裙在空中挥舞，贝蒂对着那个家伙尖叫，那个家伙对着她尖叫，你知道，警察介入了——这只是 1968 年芝加哥民主党的一场小型骚乱。
In putting together today's radio program, we tried a number of times to get an interview with Betty Loren-Maltese, but were always turned down by her spokesman, Dave Donohue.
在整理今天的广播节目时，我们多次尝试采访贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他，但总是被她的发言人戴夫·多诺霍拒绝。
Generally as a rule, she just doesn't give interviews.
一般来说，她只是不接受采访。
Is she giving any interviews during the campaign?
她在竞选期间接受采访吗？
I mean, she's running for--
我的意思是，她正在竞选——
Not so far.
到目前为止还没有。
Alex Kotlowitz We asked for a copy of her schedule.
亚历克斯·科特洛维茨 我们要了一份她的日程安排副本。
Maybe we could watch her at a fundraiser or meeting with the town committee.
也许我们可以在筹款活动或与镇委员会的会议上观看她。
No, we were told.
不，我们被告知。
They don't give out her schedule because of threats on our life.
由于我们的生命受到威胁，他们不透露她的日程安排。
Over the last four years, she's had so many different ordinances and civil lawsuits filed against gangs that they've become very angry, and they've taken it out on her in terms of threats against her and her family.
在过去的四年里，她针对帮派提出了许多不同的法令和民事诉讼，以至于他们变得非常愤怒，并通过威胁她和她的家人来发泄在她身上。
When is the last time-- how often does that happen?
最后一次是什么时候——多久发生一次？
I don't really talk to the police chief about it much.
我并没有和警察局长谈论太多这件事。
He takes it all in.
他接受了这一切。
And a lot of it has been turned over to the Attorney General and the State's Attorney, as well.
其中很多也已移交给总检察长和州检察官。
So we checked with the Attorney General and State's Attorney and they told us in fact, no one's reported any threats on her life.
因此，我们向总检察长和州检察官进行了核实，他们告诉我们，事实上，没有人报告说她的生命受到任何威胁。
Which brings us to the real reason she doesn't do interviews.
这让我们明白了她不接受采访的真正原因。
She's got a 99% name ID rate in this town, and like a 70% approval rate.
她在这个镇上的名字识别率高达99%，支持率也高达70%。
She doesn't really enjoy the media spotlight, and she doesn't need media attention to win her election.
她并不真正喜欢媒体的关注，也不需要媒体的关注来赢得选举。
Under Betty Loren-Maltese, Cicero cops would stop Mexican-Americans for ordinary traffic violations and demand to see their green cards.
在贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他的领导下，西塞罗警察会拦截普通交通违规的墨西哥裔美国人，并要求查看他们的绿卡。
Town hall ordered a bank that flew the Mexican flag to lower it.
市政厅命令一家悬挂墨西哥国旗的银行将其降下。
Police broke up a baptism party with tear gas.
警察用催泪瓦斯驱散了洗礼会。
When David Niebur moved to town to run the police department in 1998, this is what he found.
1998 年，当大卫·尼伯 (David Niebur) 搬到城里管理警察局时，他发现了这一点。
You know, officers were shaking down Hispanics on a regular basis.
你知道，警察定期对西班牙裔人进行勒索。
I learned within just the first couple of days that the quote unquote "Gang Unit" was arresting Hispanics, sometimes 25 to 30 people at a time, and their crime was standing on a corner.
就在最初的几天内，我了解到“帮派单位”正在逮捕西班牙裔，有时一次逮捕 25 至 30 人，他们的犯罪行为已经岌岌可危。
There was absolutely no probable cause whatsoever for the arrest of the Hispanics, other than they were Hispanic.
逮捕西班牙裔绝对没有任何可能的理由，除非他们是西班牙裔。
Here's Niebur's story.
这是尼伯的故事。
It's a brief one, but that's only because his stay in Cicero was brief.
这是一个短暂的停留，但这只是因为他在西塞罗的停留时间很短暂。
He'd actually been brought in by Maltese to reform the police department, or at least that's what he'd been told.
他实际上是被马耳他人请来改革警察部门的，或者至少他被告知是这样的。
Then came his undoing.
然后他的毁灭就来了。
He found some evidence suggesting that the towing company that does the town's towing might be selling stolen cars.
他发现一些证据表明，负责该镇拖车业务的拖车公司可能正在出售偷来的汽车。
And he told the FBI.
他告诉联邦调查局。
The company, Ram Recovery, also happens to be one of the largest contributors to the town president's campaign fund.
Ram Recovery 公司恰好也是镇长竞选基金的最大捐助者之一。
Betty Loren-Maltese publicly called Niebur a "nitwit" and fired him after just four months on the job.
贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他公开称尼布尔为“白痴”，并在他上任仅四个月后就解雇了他。
The police department shipped Niebur his personal belongings.
警察局向尼布尔运送了他的个人物品。
One item was a statue of a policeman holding the hand of a little boy.
其中一件物品是一名警察握着一个小男孩的手的雕像。
This was all in styrofoam, peanut-type thing wrapping.
这些东西都是用聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料、花生类的东西包装的。
But the head of the police officer had been twisted off and laid nicely inside with the rest of it.
但警察的头已被扭断，和其余部分一起完好地躺在里面。
When we asked Cicero spokesman Dave Donahue why Niebur was fired, he said it wasn't because he was cooperating with the FBI, but because he simply mishandled town documents.
当我们询问西塞罗发言人戴夫·多纳休（Dave Donahue）为什么尼布尔被解雇时，他说这并不是因为他正在与联邦调查局合作，而是因为他简单地处理了城镇文件。
What David Niebur did, in a misguided attempt to either make himself look better or to ingratiate himself with federal officials, decided to turn over all the original towing records to them without making a copy.
大卫·尼布尔的所作所为，是为了让自己看起来更好，或者是为了讨好联邦官员，他决定将所有原始拖车记录交给他们，而不制作副本。
But in a case like that, wouldn't it be a simple matter just to get the Feds to make copies and send them back?
但这样的情况下，让美联储复印一份寄回去不就是一件简单的事情吗？
It would've been.
本来就是这样。
And the town attorney was going to do that.
镇检察官将会这么做。
And he specifically told Niebur, I believe, well, just hold on.
他特别告诉尼伯，我相信，好吧，坚持住。
We're going to make a copy and then we're going to give it to him.
我们要复印一份然后交给他。
And he, of his own volition, decided to turn over all the original records that could have been copied, and it caused a very serious problem at town administration.
而他自愿交出了所有可以复制的原始记录，这给镇管理造成了非常严重的问题。
No, but I mean, once the town found out that he had turned over the originals, couldn't they just go to the Feds and say, you know, make us copies and send these back?
不，但我的意思是，一旦镇上发现他交出了原件，他们就不能直接去联邦调查局说，你知道，给我们复印一份然后寄回去吗？
It doesn't seem like that serious a thing.
看起来好像没有那么严重的事情。
I don't know if they give you back records after they've gotten them.
我不知道他们拿到记录后是否还给你。
You know, I couldn't tell you that.
你知道，我不能告诉你这一点。
The towing company, Ram Recovery, was never indicted and has denied any wrongdoing.
拖车公司 Ram Recovery 从未被起诉，并否认有任何不当行为。
When I meet with real estate agent Armando Gonzales he tells me a series of horror stories about how the town of Cicero seemed to target his real estate firm with all sorts of rules that they didn't apply to other realtors.
当我与房地产经纪人阿曼多·冈萨雷斯会面时，他向我讲述了一系列恐怖故事，讲述了西塞罗镇如何针对他的房地产公司制定了各种不适用于其他房地产经纪人的规则。
Rules that cost him literally hundreds of thousands of dollars.
这些规则让他损失了数十万美元。
this company went from being the largest real estate firm in town-- 48 sales agents in a huge office space-- to being run out of Cicero, nearly bankrupted.
这家公司从镇上最大的房地产公司（在一个巨大的办公空间里有 48 名销售代理）变成了被西塞罗耗尽，几近破产。
We did not know how to respond to the problem that we had.
我们不知道如何应对我们遇到的问题。
But agents were having problems with inspections, with us not being able to get compliance.
但代理商在检查方面遇到了问题，我们无法遵守规定。
In the room where out there was, we were in trouble with the town.
在外面的房间里，我们遇到了镇上的麻烦。
So people didn't want to give us business anymore.
所以人们不想再给我们做生意了。
When Armando Gonzalez to Cicero to court, a judge ruled that in fact he had been treated differently from other firms.
当阿曼多·冈萨雷斯将西塞罗告上法庭时，法官裁定他实际上受到了与其他公司不同的待遇。
So why did town hall single him out with such a punitive treatment?
那么，市政厅为什么要单独对他进行如此惩罚性的对待呢？
Gonzalez's lawyer suggested it was because he was Mexican-American, and, more than anybody, was building a new wave of low-cost homes for Mexican-Americans.
冈萨雷斯的律师表示，这是因为他是墨西哥裔美国人，而且比任何人都更愿意为墨西哥裔美国人建造新一波的低成本住房。
Though town hall was hoping to slow the Hispanic migration to town this way, it doesn't seem like a very effective strategy.
尽管市政厅希望通过这种方式减缓西班牙裔移民进城的速度，但这似乎并不是一个非常有效的策略。
Perhaps he just wasn't doing business the Cicero way.
也许他只是没有按照西塞罗的方式做生意。
On the witness stand, Gonzalez told the story of how he needed a certain town permit once and was set to meet with one of Betty Loren-Maltese's advisors who told him, he'd get the permit, but he should be sure to take care of Betty.
在证人席上，冈萨雷斯讲述了他曾经需要某个城镇许可证的故事，并准备与贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他的一位顾问会面，后者告诉他，他会获得许可证，但他应该确保照顾好贝蒂。
He sent her flowers.
他给她送了花。
Presumably this was not enough caring.
想必这还是不够关心。
Maltese's spokesman, by the way, denies that this happened, and the town is appealing the case.
顺便说一句，马耳他发言人否认发生过这种情况，该镇正在对此案提出上诉。
Whatever the truth is, Gonzalez's problems with the town, like David Niebur's, don't seem to be only about race.
不管真相是什么，冈萨雷斯在小镇上的问题，就像大卫·尼伯的问题一样，似乎不仅仅与种族有关。
And this is part of what makes all this so complicated.
这也是这一切变得如此复杂的部分原因。
At some point, it seems, town hall decided that it didn't matter what race ended up living in Cicero.
市政厅似乎在某个时候决定，什么种族最终生活在西塞罗并不重要。
What mattered is that they played by Cicero rules.
重要的是他们按照西塞罗的规则行事。
Those rules, Gonzales says, are remarkably familiar for someone like him, who grew up in Mexico.
冈萨雷斯说，对于像他这样在墨西哥长大的人来说，这些规则非常熟悉。
This town that's made life so hard for Mexican-Americans, he says, actually runs a lot like the old one-party government in Mexico.
他说，这个让墨西哥裔美国人生活如此艰难的小镇实际上的运作方式很像墨西哥旧的一党政府。
I mean, it's like a government that shouldn't exist in this country.
我的意思是，这就像一个不应该存在于这个国家的政府。
I don't know why these things keep happening in this town.
我不知道为什么这个小镇上总是发生这样的事情。
It seems like somehow they are untouchable.
似乎他们是不可触碰的。
They do whatever they want.
他们为所欲为。
The one difference between the sister of government and the old PRI party that ran Mexico, he says, is that in Mexico, after 70 years, people voted the old guard out.
他说，政府姐妹党和执政墨西哥的旧革命制度党之间的一个区别是，在墨西哥，70 年后，人们投票将保守派赶下台。
Why that hasn't happened in Cicero in a minute from our own PRI, Public Radio International, when our program continues.
为什么当我们的节目继续进行时，我们自己的 PRI（国际公共广播电台）的一分钟内，西塞罗就没有发生这种情况。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Most weeks on our program, of course, we choose some theme, bring you all sorts of different stories on that team.
当然，在我们节目的大多数星期里，我们都会选择一些主题，为您带来该团队的各种不同故事。
But today we're devoting our entire show to a brief history of Cicero, Illinois, which is directly next to Chicago.
但今天我们整个节目都致力于介绍伊利诺伊州西塞罗的简史，该市紧邻芝加哥。
A town of 85,000, Cicero is.
西塞罗是一个拥有 85,000 人的小镇。
And how Cicero, for decades, tried to keep the world at bay and what happened with the world refused to stay at bay.
几十年来，西塞罗如何试图阻止世界，而世界所发生的事情却拒绝阻止。
This special edition of the show today is co-hosted by journalist Alex Kotlowitz.
今天的特别版节目由记者 Alex Kotlowitz 共同主持。
We have arrived at act three of our show.
我们已经到了演出的第三幕了。
So Hispanics were sometimes treated badly by town government.
因此，西班牙裔人有时会受到镇政府的虐待。
But this is a democracy.
但这是一个民主国家。
Hispanics make up three-fourths of the town's population.
西班牙裔人占该镇人口的四分之三。
How hard could it be to vote out the current administration and vote in somebody of their own?
投票让现任政府下台并投票给自己的政府有多难？
That's what Joseph Mario Moreno thought, anyway.
无论如何，约瑟夫·马里奥·莫雷诺就是这么想的。
He's a county commissioner.
他是县委委员。
He moved to town about a year ago and let it be known he was planning to challenge Betty Loren-Maltese, the town president.
大约一年前，他搬到镇上，并让大家知道他计划挑战镇长贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他。
Moreno was well-connected.
莫雷诺人脉广泛。
It looked like the first time an Hispanic candidate could win.
这看起来像是西班牙裔候选人第一次获胜。
So town officials introduced a referendum lengthening the residency requirement to run for president from a year to year and a half.
因此，镇官员发起全民公投，将竞选总统的居住要求从一年延长到一年半。
This would have kept Moreno out of the race, and it so alarmed a federal judge that he knocked the referendum off the ballot, and then told the town that for the next five years, federal monitors would be sent to Cicero to watch over every election.
这将使莫雷诺退出竞选，这让联邦法官非常震惊，他取消了公投，然后告诉镇上的人，在接下来的五年里，联邦监察员将被派往西塞罗监督每一次选举。
Then on December 15 of last year, Moreno and his wife were coming home from a late night party in Chicago.
去年12月15日，莫雷诺和他的妻子从芝加哥的一个深夜聚会回家。
He claims they were tailed by an unmarked Cicero police car, and as they entered Cicero, they spotted another cruiser parked with its lights off right on the border.
他声称他们被一辆没有标记的西塞罗警车跟踪，当他们进入西塞罗时，他们发现另一辆巡洋舰停在边境上，车灯熄灭。
We did both simultaneously say, they're going to stop us.
我们同时说，他们要阻止我们。
They're waiting for us.
他们正在等我们。
I was given field sobriety tests, passed those tests.
我接受了现场清醒测试，并通过了这些测试。
Four and a half hours later, I found I was charged with a DUI.
四个半小时后，我发现我被指控酒后驾车。
I asked to take a breathalyzer.
我要求进行呼吸分析仪。
I was declined.
我被拒绝了。
Police officers indicated to me I "got to do what I was told to do." Quote.
警察向我表示“我必须做他们告诉我做的事”。引用。
You know, they claimed that it was a random stop.
你知道，他们声称这是一次随机停留。
I drive a black Navigator with MORENO plates.
我开的是一辆带有 MORENO 牌照的黑色 Navigator。
You could smell something foul in that whole incident.
在整个事件中你都能闻到一股难闻的味道。
I mean, that incident baptized me into Cicero politics.
我的意思是，那件事使我受洗进入西塞罗政治。
This was a smear campaign.
这是一场抹黑运动。
Moreno made it easy for opponents.
莫雷诺让对手轻松了很多。
Because of a previous DUI conviction, it's actually illegal for him to drive at night at all.
由于他之前曾因酒后驾车被定罪，所以夜间开车实际上是违法的。
As Betty Loren-Maltes's spokesman Dave Donahue happily points out.
正如贝蒂·洛伦·马尔特斯的发言人戴夫·多纳休高兴地指出的那样。
He said he was framed.
他说他是被陷害的。
But you cannot get framed for driving on a revoked license.
但您不会因持吊销驾照驾驶而受到陷害。
Either you were driving on a revoked license or you weren't.
您要么持被吊销的驾照驾驶，要么不是。
And that's why, to this day, he still-- you ask him, were you driving that night?
这就是为什么直到今天，他仍然——你问他，那天晚上你开车吗？
He says he won't answer.
他说他不会回答。
He refuses to say.
他拒绝透露。
Did I read, is this true, that you weren't supposed to be driving?
我有没有读到，你不应该开车，这是真的吗？
That's assuming I was driving.
那是假设我正在开车。
That's one of the things we won't discuss because we want to keep them thinking.
这是我们不会讨论的事情之一，因为我们想让他们思考。
Just to be clear, under the terms of when you're allowed to drive, was it legal for you to drive at all after 7 PM that night?
需要澄清的是，根据您何时可以开车的条款，您在当晚晚上 7 点之后开车是否合法？
Regardless, the Attorney General didn't see enough in the case to prosecute Moreno.
不管怎样，总检察长并没有看到足够的证据来起诉莫雷诺。
And in February, the Maltese campaign tried another tactic which led the local news that night.
二月份，马耳他竞选团队尝试了另一种策略，并成为当晚当地新闻的焦点。
Political rivals of Cook County Commissioner Joseph Mario Moreno first accused him of beating one of his ex-wives and failing to support their child.
库克县专员约瑟夫·马里奥·莫雷诺的政治对手首先指责他殴打他的一位前妻，并且未能抚养他们的孩子。
Citing 1974 divorce files in which a Diana Moreno claims a Joseph Moreno subjected her to repeated mental cruelty.
引用 1974 年的离婚文件，其中戴安娜·莫雷诺 (Diana Moreno) 声称约瑟夫·莫雷诺 (Joseph Moreno) 多次对她进行精神虐待。
We will no longer accept a fallen leader anymore.
我们将不再接受一个倒台的领导人。
It is hurting our community.
它正在伤害我们的社区。
It will hurt our youth.
会伤害我们的青春。
And it will hurt everyone.
这会伤害每个人。
Problem was, they had the wrong guy.
问题是，他们找错了人。
As Moreno told reporters at his own press conference later that day--
正如莫雷诺当天晚些时候在自己的新闻发布会上告诉记者的那样——
They're greatly mistaken.
他们大错特错了。
That Joseph Moreno in that '74 divorce case is not me.
74 年离婚案中的约瑟夫·莫雷诺不是我。
In the hands of the right candidate, such a blatant and botched attempt at character assassination could be spun into political gold.
在合适的候选人手中，这种公然且拙劣的人格诽谤尝试可能会转化为政治黄金。
But Moreno hasn't really capitalized on the opportunities handed him.
但莫雷诺并没有真正利用交给他的机会。
What's more, Moreno is rather soft on specifics about what he'll do for Cicero.
更重要的是，莫雷诺对于他将为西塞罗做什么的具体细节相当温和。
He means a lot more on the big general statements about how it's time to elect an Hispanic.
他对关于如何选举西班牙裔人的重大一般性声明的意义更多。
When we asked him why he's campaigning for this job, here's what he said.
当我们问他为什么竞选这份工作时，他是这么说的。
Why am I doing it?
我为什么要这么做？
I guess I'm the chosen one.
我想我就是被选中的那一位。
I have no idea!
我不知道！
It needs to be done.
这是必须要做的。
And I think Cicero is long overdue for this change.
我认为西塞罗早就该做出这种改变了。
When they started saying, well, we need a change-- the change is too late.
当他们开始说，好吧，我们需要改变时——改变已经太晚了。
It's too late.
太晚了。
The change has been in process.
改变已经在进行中。
The change happened.
改变发生了。
Frank Aguilera works for Betty Loren-Maltese.
弗兰克·阿奎莱拉 (Frank Aguilera) 为贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他 (Betty Loren-Maltese) 工作。
And he says compared to when he first moved to Cicero, things have indefinitely improved.
他说，与他第一次搬到西塞罗时相比，情况已经无限改善。
This is nothing.
这没什么。
I mean, I was jumped many times 25 years ago.
我的意思是，25 年前我被跳了很多次。
And the police looking at me while I'm getting jumped 25 years ago because I'm Mexican.
25 年前，当我跳楼时，警察看着我，因为我是墨西哥人。
We met Aguilera area back on primary night in February at Betty Loren-Maltese's primary victory party.
我们在二月份的初选之夜在贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他的初选胜利派对上见到了阿奎莱拉地区。
Yellow balloons everywhere, a buffet of chicken and mashed potatoes.
到处都是黄色气球，还有鸡肉和土豆泥自助餐。
About a third of the room was Hispanic.
房间里大约有三分之一是西班牙裔。
At one of the tables were members of the Mexican-American Chamber of Commerce in Cicero.
其中一张桌子旁坐着西塞罗墨西哥裔美国商会的成员。
They told me that they debated for a long time who to support in this election, and that it was a close vote between them.
他们告诉我，他们在这次选举中支持谁争论了很长时间，而且他们的投票结果很接近。
But in the end, they decided on Betty.
但最终，他们选择了贝蒂。
They like the idea of an Hispanic candidate, but they just felt Moreno wasn't up to the job.
他们喜欢西班牙裔候选人的想法，但他们只是觉得莫雷诺无法胜任这份工作。
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海勒？]拥有一家旅行社，并且是商会的财务主管。
He says sure, the police in Cicero could use some sensitivity training.
他说当然，西塞罗的警察可以进行一些敏感性培训。
Sure, some things at hand could still be improved.
当然，手头的一些事情仍然可以改进。
But he likes that Betty Loren-Maltese keeps a tight rein.
但他喜欢贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他的严格控制。
He likes the clean streets and the crackdown on gangs.
他喜欢干净的街道和打击帮派。
You know what?
你知道吗？
We knew that Cicero was tough, and that is the reason we moved here.
我们知道西塞罗很强硬，这就是我们搬到这里的原因。
When you talk to the Mexican-American homeowners, obviously they like the security that they feel with the current administration, with so many cops.
当你与墨西哥裔美国房主交谈时，显然他们喜欢现任政府和这么多警察所带来的安全感。
They moved into a town looking for a better way of life, and obviously they moved in because they thought that Cicero, it's more secure than Chicago.
他们搬进一个小镇寻找更好的生活方式，显然他们搬进来是因为他们认为西塞罗比芝加哥更安全。
You know?
你知道？
I mean I grew up in 26th street, and I know what that is.
我的意思是我在 26 街长大，我知道那是什么。
And I moved into Cicero, because I looked in the area, and it's-- sure, you know, the cops are tough.
我搬到了西塞罗，因为我观察了该地区，当然，你知道，警察很严厉。
You know?
你知道？
But really, realistically, that is what I want.
但实际上，这就是我想要的。
Betty Loren-Maltese's is campaign slogan is "She's Tough Because She Cares." It's actually this combination of toughness and caring that's new about her politics.
贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他的竞选口号是“她坚强，因为她关心”。事实上，正是这种强硬与关怀的结合，才是她政治上的新鲜之处。
At some point in her tenure, it must have become clear that she'd never stay in office if she only responded to the flood of Hispanics with hostile ordinances and punitive policing.
在她任期内的某个时刻，人们肯定已经清楚地意识到，如果她只是用敌对的法令和惩罚性的治安来应对大量的西班牙裔人，她就永远不会留任。
To those old-school Cicero tactics, she's added the more modern approach of maintaining power by sharing it, or at least seeming to share it.
除了那些老式的西塞罗策略之外，她还添加了更现代的方法，即通过分享或至少看起来是分享来维持权力。
And so today in Cicero, there's an odd mix of hostility and accommodation all happening at the same time.
因此，今天在西塞罗，敌意和迁就的奇怪现象同时发生。
She's helped build five schools for the new Hispanic families in town.
她帮助镇上的新西班牙裔家庭建造了五所学校。
There are lots of Hispanic faces at town hall.
市政厅里有很多西班牙裔面孔。
Three of the four town trustees are all Hispanic.
四名镇董事中的三名都是西班牙裔。
Maltese's assistant is Hispanic.
马耳他的助手是西班牙裔。
And she just announced a minority set-aside program funneling public money to minority-owned businesses.
她刚刚宣布了一项少数族裔预留计划，将公共资金输送给少数族裔拥有的企业。
And before she takes the stage at her own victory party, there's this.
在她登上自己的胜利派对舞台之前，有这样的事情。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Alex Kotlowitz Town trustee Ramiro Gonzales gives a speech.
[西班牙语] 亚历克斯·科特洛维茨镇受托人拉米罗·冈萨雷斯发表演讲。
He thanks the campaign workers, threatens gangs who supposedly disrupted voting, and concludes with this.
他感谢竞选工作人员，威胁那些据称扰乱投票的团伙，并以此作为结束。
People yell "Betty" and "Viva." And then there she is.
人们大喊“贝蒂”和“万岁”。然后她就在那里。
We finally see her in person.
我们终于见到她本人了。
Betty Loren-Maltese, looking a bit like Elizabeth Taylor during the John Warner years.
贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他（Betty Loren-Maltese），看起来有点像约翰·华纳时代的伊丽莎白·泰勒。
Middle aged woman in black pantsuit, heavy black mascara, long eyelashes, a crown of teased, swept-up air.
穿着黑色裤装的中年妇女，浓重的黑色睫毛膏，长长的睫毛，一顶被戏弄的王冠，气场十足。
Given the ham-handedness of her attacks on Moreno, she handles the crowd and the press-- there are a half dozen TV cameras present-- like a seasoned political pro.
鉴于她对莫雷诺的攻击非常笨拙，她像一位经验丰富的政治专业人士一样对待人群和媒体（现场有六台电视摄像机）。
She has a certain charisma.
她有一定的魅力。
Incredibly, one of the first things she does is actually thank the federal monitors who came to town to keep an eye on her.
令人难以置信的是，她做的第一件事实际上就是感谢来到镇上监视她的联邦监察员。
I want to thank the outside agencies, especially the federal monitors who came in.
我要感谢外部机构，特别是进来的联邦监察员。
Because I know it was a tedious task for them, and I'm sure they did not want to be here.
因为我知道这对他们来说是一项乏味的任务，而且我确信他们不想来这里。
And I hope they continue to remain with us, because I think they'll see that the problem is not with the Republicans, but--
我希望他们继续留在我们身边，因为我认为他们会看到问题不在于共和党，而是——
Not long after, she reads the day's lopsided voting results to her fellow Republicans.
不久之后，她向共和党同僚宣读了当天不平衡的投票结果。
Republican ballots cast were 7,499.
共和党投票数为 7,499 张。
Democrats were 3,798.
民主党有 3,798 票。
Well, come on.
好吧，来吧。
I mean, it is a democracy!
我的意思是，这是一个民主国家！
In the end, twice as many people voted for Maltese in this primary as for all the other candidates in both parties combined.
最终，在这次初选中投票给马耳他的人数是两党所有其他候选人总和的两倍。
The measure of what a long shot this race is for Moreno will be her Democratic opponent in the general election in April.
莫雷诺在四月份大选中的民主党对手将衡量这场竞选对莫雷诺的胜算。
Well, if the media wants to leave, we can party.
好吧，如果媒体想离开，我们可以开派对。
And I'll tell you again, I was never afraid against Mario running.
我再告诉你一次，我从不害怕马里奥奔跑。
I was afraid of him driving.
我害怕他开车。
Moreno's only chance is if he could bring thousands of new voters out to the polls, something no one in Cicero has ever done.
莫雷诺唯一的机会是他能否让数千名新选民参加投票，这是西塞罗从未做过的事情。
Meanwhile, Betty Loren-Maltese has amassed a million dollars to spend on the campaign.
与此同时，Betty Loren-Maltese 已经筹集了 100 万美元用于此次活动。
A huge amount.
数额巨大。
A crazy amount by any standards for an election in a town that you can drive from end to end in just ten minutes.
对于一个你只需十分钟就能从一端开车到另一端的小镇来说，无论以什么标准来看，这都是一个疯狂的数字。
Thank you.
谢谢。
And viva Cicero!
西塞罗万岁！
Act Four: They Say Our Love Is Here To Stay Ira Glass Act Four.
第四幕：他们说我们的爱会留在艾拉·格拉斯第四幕。
They Say Our Love is Here to Stay.
他们说我们的爱会一直存在。
A town like Cicero, what it produces is insiders and outsiders.
像西塞罗这样的小镇，它产生的是局内人和局外人。
And just as some people can become addicted to being on the inside of a system, you can get addicted to the rush of trying to bring the system down.
正如有些人会对进入系统内部上瘾一样，你也会对试图破坏系统的冲动上瘾。
This next story is the story of somebody who got stuck doing that, inadvertently, for a long, long time.
下一个故事是关于一个人的故事，他无意中被困在这样做了很长一段时间。
Then he tried to get away, but that turned out not to be so easy.
然后他试图逃跑，但事实证明这并不那么容易。
Alex tells the whole story.
亚历克斯讲述了整个故事。
A warning to our listeners that there is a possibly questionable word hidden somewhere in this story.
警告我们的听众，这个故事中的某个地方隐藏着一个可能有问题的词。
This past October, Dave Boyle and his wife Nadine moved back to Cicero after being away for 10 years.
去年十月，戴夫·博伊尔 (Dave Boyle) 和他的妻子纳丁 (Nadine) 在离开十年后搬回了西塞罗。
"I have unfinished business," he told me.
“我还有未完成的事情，”他告诉我。
Let me first, though, fill you in on Dave's first tenure in Cicero.
不过，首先让我向您介绍戴夫在西塞罗的第一个任期。
He moved here in 1983 and accidentally stumbled into town politics.
1983年，他搬到这里，无意中涉足城镇政治。
Early one morning on his way to a contracting job, Dave drove past Mr. C's, a bikers' bar on the corner.
一天清晨，戴夫在去一份承包工作的路上，开车经过 Mr. C's，这是一家位于拐角处的自行车酒吧。
Some guys were standing around outside drinking, and there on the sidewalk lay a biker who had been stabbed to death.
一些人站在外面喝酒，人行道上躺着一名被刺死的骑自行车的人。
It was shocking.
太令人震惊了。
Dave wanted the bar shut down.
戴夫想要关闭酒吧。
So he went to see the town's deputy liquor commissioner, who was also a police officer.
于是他去见了该镇的副酒类专员，他也是一名警察。
He was told to back off.
他被告知要后退。
Many of the taverns were connected to the mob.
许多酒馆都与暴徒有联系。
And he told me that not only is there nothing I can do about it, but if I did anything about it, not only would they kill you, Boyle, but they might kill me.
他告诉我，我不仅对此无能为力，而且如果我对此采取任何行动，他们不仅会杀了你，博伊尔，而且可能会杀了我。
And that's not going to happen.
但这不会发生。
So you just go away.
所以你就走开吧。
And even say it that nice.
甚至说得那么好。
So you go to this assistant liquor commissioner, and tells you, if it were me, I probably would say, OK, fine.
所以你去找这位副酒类专员，告诉你，如果是我，我可能会说，好吧，好吧。
[INAUDIBLE] or else I'm gone.
[听不清] 不然我就走了。
I just thought-- well, basically, I thought [BLEEP] you.
我只是想——好吧，基本上，我想[BLEEP]你。
You're not going to-- I'm Dave Boyle.
你不会——我是戴夫·博伊尔。
I walk upright and I ask the police officer to the right thing.
我直立行走，并向警察询问正确的事情。
And he told me, the mob won't let you do it.
他告诉我，暴徒不会让你这么做。
And I thought, what kind of pussy are you?
我想，你是什么样的女人？
A word here about Dave Boyle.
这里有关于戴夫·博伊尔的一句话。
He's a Vietnam vet and is built like a rugby player.
他是一名越南老兵，身材像橄榄球运动员。
Under different circumstances, Dave might have been a barroom brawler.
在不同的情况下，戴夫可能是一个酒吧斗殴者。
He's loud, curses lots, likes to brag about what a good fighter he is.
他声音很大，经常咒骂，喜欢吹嘘自己是一位多么优秀的战士。
In short, the perfect person to take on Cicero.
简而言之，他是对抗西塞罗的最佳人选。
In fact, it's hard to imagine any other kind of person being willing to take on the town.
事实上，很难想象还有其他人愿意接管这个小镇。
At the time, Cicero still had a whole thriving district full of strip joints and prostitutes and bars that stayed open until 6 AM.
当时，西塞罗仍然拥有一整片繁荣的地区，到处都是脱衣舞场所、妓女和酒吧，营业到早上 6 点。
Dave fought to get Mr. C's shut down, and then went to the police department, and in his typically belligerent way, ordered them to close down five other bars.
戴夫奋力要求关闭 C 先生的酒吧，然后去了警察局，以他典型的好战方式，命令他们关闭另外五家酒吧。
12 hours later, my garage blew up with my cars and all my tools.
12 小时后，我的车库连同我的汽车和所有工具都被炸毁了。
You say that it blew up.
你说它炸了。
Dave Boyle Yeah.
戴夫·博伊尔 是的。
They blew it up.
他们把它炸毁了。
You mean it caught fire?
你是说它着火了？
Dave Boyle Yeah.
戴夫·博伊尔 是的。
Caught fire.
着火了。
That's what it did.
这就是它所做的。
Yeah.
是的。
It caught fire.
它着火了。
It was just a fire.
这只是一场火灾。
It was a coincidence.
这是一个巧合。
It took about 10 minutes to burn the whole thing to the ground, cars and all.
大约花了10分钟，整个建筑、汽车和所有东西都被烧毁了。
As you've probably observed about Cicero by this point, it doesn't like to be told what to do.
正如您可能已经观察到的那样，西塞罗不喜欢被告知要做什么。
Especially by outsiders.
尤其是在外人看来。
So you can imagine then how angry the town leaders were when Dave and his wife collected enough signatures for a referendum to shut the bars at 2 AM.
所以你可以想象，当戴夫和他的妻子收集到足够的签名以举行公投以在凌晨 2 点关闭酒吧时，镇领导们有多么愤怒。
Then the referendum passed by three to one margin.
随后公投以三比一的优势通过。
But nothing happened.
但什么也没发生。
The then-town president ignored the vote, which transformed Dave into a kind of minor celebrity, with stories about him in the newspapers and on TV.
当时的镇长无视了这次投票，这使戴夫成为了小名人，报纸和电视上都有关于他的故事。
He was talking with the FBI.
他正在与联邦调查局交谈。
So what might otherwise have been a fairly small matter, the time bars should close, suddenly became quite big.
因此，本来应该是一件相当小的事情，时间条应该关闭，突然变得相当大。
Dave and Nadine soon found a dead snake slung over their front porch railing, and the police harassed Dave, arresting him or threatening to arrest him, some 11 times.
戴夫和纳丁很快就发现前廊栏杆上挂着一条死蛇，警察骚扰戴夫、逮捕他或威胁要逮捕他，大约有 11 次。
It all took over their lives.
这一切占据了他们的生活。
And it all got to Nadine.
这一切都落到了纳丁的头上。
I didn't talk to my friends anymore because I felt so weird.
我不再和朋友说话了，因为我感觉很奇怪。
I felt different than they did.
我的感觉和他们不一样。
They were having babies and, you know, decorating their houses with Laura Ashley things, and building a--
他们生了孩子，你知道，用劳拉·阿什利的东西装饰他们的房子，并建造了一个——
[INAUDIBLE] burglar bars.
[听不清]防盗酒吧。
Nadine Boyle Yeah, cleaning up burglar bars and cleaning up ashes from the garage.
纳丁·博伊尔 是的，清理防盗酒吧并清理车库里的灰烬。
It was a completely different life, and the only people who seemed to understand us were reporters, and people from the crime commission and the FBI.
这是一种完全不同的生活，唯一理解我们的人似乎是记者、犯罪委员会和联邦调查局的人。
And other people from Cicero.
还有西塞罗的其他人。
Here's how far it went.
这是它走了多远。
Dave made not one, but two bids for local office.
戴夫不是一次而是两次竞标当地办公室。
But his bluntness and go-it-alone style didn't exactly win him votes.
但他的直率和单干风格并没有为他赢得选票。
At one point, he posted a sign in the town president's office saying "Future Office of Dave Boyle." He lost both elections.
有一次，他在镇长办公室张贴了一块牌子，上面写着“戴夫·博伊尔的未来办公室”。他两次选举都失败了。
After seven years of fighting town hall, Dave and Nadine decided it was time to go.
经过七年与市政厅的斗争后，戴夫和纳丁决定是时候离开了。
Friends felt they were run out of town.
朋友们觉得他们被赶出城了。
And though Dave says it wasn't the case, it was.
尽管戴夫说事实并非如此，但事实确实如此。
They were beaten down, drained, both emotionally and financially.
他们在情感上和经济上都被击垮、耗尽。
And Nadine, quite frankly, just wanted to get the hell out of there.
坦率地说，纳丁只是想离开那里。
So they moved to Houston, Texas in 1990.
因此，他们于 1990 年搬到了德克萨斯州休斯顿。
Fast forward 10 years later.
快进 10 年后。
Dave's now a lawyer.
戴夫现在是一名律师。
He suggests to Nadine that hey, maybe they move back.
他向纳丁建议，嘿，也许他们搬回去。
Nadine balks.
纳丁犹豫不决。
So Dave promises Nadine, look.
所以戴夫向纳丁保证，看。
I won't get so involved this time around.
这次我不会那么投入了。
They buy a brick bungalow this past October and Dave soon wanders into town hall and sees some old faces.
去年十月，他们买了一栋砖砌平房，戴夫很快走进市政厅，看到了一些老面孔。
I was at the town hall.
我当时在市政厅。
I can't remember the exact date, but I was at the legal department a month, month and a half ago.
我不记得确切的日期，但一个半月前我在法律部门。
And I was handing some papers in.
我正在交一些文件。
And I look to my right, and there I see Tony Accardo.
我向右看，看到了托尼·阿卡多。
And he looked at me like he'd just seen a ghost.
他看着我，就像看到了鬼一样。
And I said, Mr. Accardo, good morning.
我说，阿卡多先生，早上好。
And I approached him.
我走近他。
I went to shake his hand.
我走过去和他握手。
He was the head of the building department.
他是建筑部门的负责人。
And many of those guys have fallen on hard times here recently.
其中许多人最近在这里陷入了困境。
He made the sign of the cross in front of me.
他在我面前画了十字。
You're back!
你回来了！
Oh my god!
我的天啊！
And he made a quick side of the cross.
他快速完成了传中。
He says, thank god I'm retired.
他说，感谢上帝，我退休了。
You can't get to me.
你无法接近我。
Dave notices changes in the town.
戴夫注意到镇上的变化。
The strip joints are gone.
条带接头消失了。
The bars finally close at 2 AM.
酒吧终于在凌晨 2 点关门。
Lots of people everywhere speaking Spanish, which he likes.
到处都有很多人说西班牙语，他喜欢西班牙语。
But the town, he learns, is still up to its old tricks.
但他了解到，这个小镇仍在故技重施。
When he and Nadine settled on their house, they were asked to sign a document which would give the town the right to search their home for housing code violations any time it wanted.
当他和纳丁安顿好他们的房子后，他们被要求签署一份文件，该文件将使该镇有权随时搜查他们的家是否违反住房法规。
They do that every Mexican that buys a house in this town.
每个在这个镇上买房子的墨西哥人都会这么做。
And well, just look around who's buying a house in this town.
好吧，看看谁在这个镇上买房子。
They're Mexican people.
他们是墨西哥人。
They don't read English.
他们不读英文。
They got three earners to pay off one mortgage, and they're all going to live in a house.
他们让三个挣钱的人还清一笔抵押贷款，而且他们都要住在一所房子里。
And they're all signing these affidavits that give the police, anybody from town hall, the right to enter their house without notice and without a warrant.
他们都签署了这些宣誓书，赋予警察和市政厅的任何人有权在没有通知和搜查令的情况下进入他们的房子。
Dave insisted the town change the wording of this document, which they did that same day.
戴夫坚持要求该镇改变这份文件的措辞，他们当天就这样做了。
And that got the ball rolling.
这让一切顺利进行。
Soon he got involved in the upcoming elections, working for a candidate who's opposing Betty Loren-Maltese.
很快他就参与了即将到来的选举，为一位反对贝蒂·洛伦·马耳他的候选人工作。
For Nadine, as you might imagine, it all began to feel familiar.
正如你可能想象的那样，对于纳丁来说，这一切开始变得熟悉起来。
He said it's going to be different this time.
他说这次会有所不同。
I'm a lawyer.
我是一名律师。
None of those same things are going to happen.
这些相同的事情都不会发生。
Don't worry.
不用担心。
I won't get involved in politics.
我不会参与政治。
I won't run for office, and I certainly won't use our money to do it.
我不会竞选公职，我当然也不会用我们的钱来做这件事。
And--
还有——
I haven't used any of our money!
我没有用过我们的钱！
Except what I gave away.
除了我放弃的东西。
So I caved.
所以我屈服了。
I did.
我做到了。
Alex Kotlowitz Well, you've been back now for three months.
Alex Kotlowitz 嗯，你回来已经三个月了。
Has he kept his word?
他信守诺言了吗？
He hasn't quite kept-- Dave Boyle He's a lying mother [BLEEP], isn't he?
他还没有完全遵守——戴夫·博伊尔（Dave Boyle）他是个撒谎的母亲[BLEEP]，不是吗？
I told him once, when he was starting to get involved with this recent campaign, I said, Dave, I see you going down that whirlpool.
有一次我告诉他，当他开始参与最近的竞选活动时，我说，戴夫，我看到你正在陷入那个漩涡。
It's taking you down again.
它又让你失望了。
And he actually pulled back a little bit.
他实际上退缩了一点。
He did.
他做到了。
Not much, but he did.
不多，但他做到了。
I asked Dave what his next move is.
我问戴夫他的下一步行动是什么。
"I'm going to build an attached garage," he tells me.
“我要建一个附属车库，”他告诉我。
"No, how about in terms of the town?" I ask.
“不是，那镇上呢？”我问。
He smiles and says, "That's part of it.
他微笑着说：“这就是其中的一部分。
I have to apply for a permit," he says.
我必须申请许可证，”他说。
That's his plan.
这就是他的计划。
Say bad things about the town president in public and then apply for a permit.
当众说镇长的坏话，然后申请许可证。
These days one of the most interesting things about Cicero, despite everything we've told you this hour, about town hall antagonizing its own citizens, is this.
尽管我们这一个小时已经告诉了你很多关于市政厅对抗自己公民的事情，但这些天西塞罗最有趣的事情之一就是这一点。
If you actually walk the neighborhoods and talk to people about how they're getting along with their neighbors, most people seem to be getting along just fine.
如果你真的在社区里走走，和人们谈论他们与邻居相处的情况，大多数人似乎都相处得很好。
You hear lots of stories of older white residents who were wary at first, but then warmed up.
你会听到很多老年白人居民的故事，他们一开始很谨慎，但后来变得热情起来。
There's still rough moments, but things seem way more civil, way more friendly than you would expect, given the town's history.
艰难的时刻仍然存在，但考虑到这座小镇的历史，事情似乎比你想象的更加文明、更加友好。
Alex put together this story about three neighbors.
亚历克斯整理了这个关于三个邻居的故事。
Here's another way to measure the changes in Cicero.
这是衡量西塞罗变化的另一种方法。
We met a woman named Loretta Rivera who moved to town back in the mid-'80s.
我们遇到了一位名叫 Loretta Rivera 的女士，她在 80 年代中期搬到了小镇。
She found it to be so hostile to Hispanics that she and her family moved out.
她发现这里对西班牙裔人充满敌意，因此她和家人搬了出去。
Five years later, after more Hispanics had settled in Cicero, she tried again.
五年后，更多西班牙裔人在西塞罗定居后，她再次尝试。
This time it was easier.
这次更容易了。
Loretta told me about two of her neighbors, Annie and Nancy.
洛雷塔向我讲述了她的两个邻居安妮和南希。
Both of them white, both of them longtime Cicero residents.
他们都是白人，都是西塞罗的长期居民。
She considered one of them to be very accepting, and one not accepting it all.
她认为其中一个非常接受，而另一个则不接受这一切。
But the reality may be more complicated than that.
但现实可能比这更复杂。
Here's Loretta with one of the women, Annie Ryder, in Annie's kitchen.
这是洛雷塔和其中一位女士安妮·赖德在安妮的厨房里。
They're close friends, even though Loretta, now a a second grade teacher, is 40, and Annie, a widow, is 74.
他们是亲密的朋友，尽管洛雷塔（Loretta）现在是一名二年级老师，40 岁，而安妮（Annie）是一位寡妇，74 岁。
Loretta is explaining to Annie what it was like the first time she and her husband Conrado moved to Cicero.
洛雷塔正在向安妮解释她和丈夫康拉多第一次搬到西塞罗的情况。
I told you about when we used to rent on 53rd Court, the Polish guy that almost got into a fight with Conrado.
我告诉过你，我们以前租53号球场的时候，那个波兰人差点和康拉多打起来。
His big problem was that we were parking in front of his house.
他的大问题是我们把车停在他家门前。
No, you never told me.
不，你从来没有告诉过我。
Loretta I never told you that?
洛丽塔 我从来没有告诉过你吗？
It was Christmas Eve and he was a little tipsy.
那是平安夜，他有点醉了。
And he came out screaming at us, telling us, you know, you should go back to your country, why the hell are you here?
他出来对我们尖叫，告诉我们，你知道，你应该回到你的国家，你到底为什么在这里？
You shouldn't park in front of my yard.
你不应该把车停在我的院子前面。
I pay taxes.
我纳税。
You don't pay anything.
您无需支付任何费用。
And I remember Conrado, because being so angry-- I mean, I had to literally grab him, because he was going to hit the guy.
我记得康拉多，因为他太生气了——我的意思是，我不得不抓住他，因为他要打那个人。
And I remember Conrado, out of frustration-- he didn't even know what he said.
我记得康拉多，出于沮丧——他甚至不知道自己说了什么。
His English was very broken.
他的英语很蹩脚。
And I remember him telling him, you Poland, go back to Polish, or something.
我记得他告诉他，你是波兰人，回到波兰语吧，什么的。
He said, you even said it wrong!
他说，你还说错了！
You don't say it that way.
你不这么说。
And he also, again, blamed us, you know.
你知道，他还再次指责我们。
That that's why Cicero was in such a bad rut, because ever since Mexicans started moving here, we were ruining the town, and blah blah blah.
这就是为什么西塞罗的生活如此糟糕，因为自从墨西哥人开始搬到这里，我们就在毁掉这个小镇，等等等等。
This town has been ruined so many times!
这个小镇已经被毁了很多次了！
It's like oh, forget it.
就像哦，忘了它吧。
We usually talk about how the newcomers assimilate to their new environment.
我们通常会谈论新人如何适应新环境。
But as I listen to Annie and Loretta, I was struck by how it was Annie who assimilated to the newcomers.
但当我听安妮和洛雷塔说话时，我对安妮如何融入新人感到震惊。
Did she tell you we used to walk every morning at 6 o'clock in the morning?
她有告诉过你我们以前每天早上六点钟散步吗？
Did you learn any Spanish?
你学过西班牙语吗？
Annie Yo no se.
安妮哟不se。
She learns it and then she forgets it.
她学会了，然后又忘记了。
I remember when we first started walking, remember, we made a deal?
我记得当我们第一次开始走路的时候，还记得，我们做了一个交易吗？
Every week I was going to teach you a new word.
每周我都会教你一个新单词。
And then the next day I would ask her and she would go, huh?
然后第二天我问她，她就会去，是吧？
Ah, forget it!
啊，算了！
And then we would come and have coffee.
然后我们会过来喝咖啡。
Of the 12 homes on Annie's and Loretta's street, seven are owned by Hispanics, five by whites.
安妮街和洛雷塔街的 12 栋房屋中，七栋为西班牙裔所有，五栋为白人所有。
It wasn't that the white homeowners who stayed were necessarily more tolerant than those who left.
并不是说留下来的白人房主就一定比离开的白人房主更宽容。
But some of the older folks have lived here all their lives and just didn't want to go, despite frequent appeals from realtors.
但一些老人一生都住在这里，只是不想离开，尽管房地产经纪人经常呼吁。
I remember getting something in the mail.
我记得在邮件中收到过一些东西。
Something about, if you're not comfortable where you live, if you fear for your safety, call this number.
如果您对居住的地方感到不舒服，如果您担心自己的安全，请拨打这个电话。
We'll sell your house.
我们会卖掉你的房子。
Oh, I called up that time.
噢，我当时就打电话了。
I called up the realtor.
我打电话给房地产经纪人。
It was blockbusting.
这是一鸣惊人。
And you called the realtor?
你给房地产经纪人打电话了吗？
And what did you tell him?
你告诉他什么了？
I yelled.
我喊道。
I said, you're doing the same thing as the blockbusters that did it on the West Side.
我说，你做的事情和《西区》的大片是一样的。
Exactly the same thing.
完全一样的事情。
That stuff really-- to my mind, it's goofiness.
那些东西真的——在我看来，这很愚蠢。
You know, it's just somebody's out to make a buck, is what it is.
你知道，这只是有人想赚钱，就是这样。
When I first met Loretta, and I asked her about her Anglo neighbors, she volunteered a story that happened when she first moved in 12 years ago that clearly still bothers her.
当我第一次见到 Loretta 时，我向她询问了她的盎格鲁邻居的情况，她自愿讲述了 12 年前她刚搬进来时发生的故事，这显然仍然困扰着她。
And it involves the other older white woman on the block, Nancy Chauvlin.
这涉及到街区另一位年长的白人妇女南希·肖夫林(Nancy Chauvlin)。
Nancy is 70 and has lived in Cicero her entire life.
南希 70 岁了，她一生都住在西塞罗。
Nancy has actually been friends with Annie since she was 18.
事实上，南希从安妮 18 岁起就和她成了朋友。
In fact, Nancy found Annie her house.
事实上，南希找到了安妮的家。
Loretta remembers Nancy making comments to the effect that the quality of life in Cicero had declined since Mexican-Americans moved in, that there was more of a gang problem.
洛雷塔记得南希曾评论过，自从墨西哥裔美国人搬进来以来，西塞罗的生活质量已经下降，而且存在更多的帮派问题。
And she would look at me like if it was my fault.
她会看着我，好像这是我的错一样。
And I would tell her, Nancy, we're not all the same.
我会告诉她，南希，我们并不都一样。
Just like in every race, there's good apples and bad apples.
就像每场比赛一样，有好苹果也有坏苹果。
Do you see my kids in gangs?
你看到我的孩子加入帮派了吗？
You know?
你知道？
But I don't think I ever really-- how can I put it-- made her understand.
但我认为我从未真正——怎么说呢——让她明白了。
So I went to visit Nancy, whose home is just three doors down from Loretta's.
于是我去拜访了南希，她的家与洛雷塔家仅隔三扇门。
And I was kind of surprised by what I found.
我对我的发现感到有点惊讶。
I'm perfectly content here.
我对这里非常满意。
And I have to say this.
我必须这么说。
We see a lot more flowers getting planned around here than what we do with the old timers.
我们看到这里计划种植的鲜花比我们为老朋友做的要多得多。
We [?
我们 [？
see, too, ?] they're planting gardens and fixing houses up.
也看到了吗？]他们正在种植花园并修缮房屋。
And a lot of the homes were let go by the older people.
许多房屋都被老年人放弃了。
They weren't caused by the Hispanics moving in and destroying them.
它们不是由西班牙人搬进来并摧毁它们造成的。
They were already unkempt buildings, and now the Hispanic people have come in, and many of them are really trying to fix things up.
它们本来就是乱七八糟的建筑，现在西班牙裔人进来了，他们中的许多人真的在努力修复问题。
It turns out that Nancy helped Dave Boyle close down Mr. C's, the bikers' bar, going door-to-door with petitions, and she raised $600 from neighbors to rebuild Boyle's charred garage.
原来，南希挨家挨户请愿，帮助戴夫·博伊尔关闭了 Mr. C’s 自行车酒吧，她还从邻居那里筹集了 600 美元来重建博伊尔烧焦的车库。
For Nancy, like Annie, this was her home, and so it never occurred to her to move.
对于南希来说，就像安妮一样，这里就是她的家，所以她从来没有想过要搬家。
I took one course of Conversational Spanish at Morton College.
我在莫顿学院选修了一门西班牙语会话课程。
Went back for the second course, they didn't have enough students, so they didn't have the course.
回去上第二门课，他们没有足够的学生，所以没有上这门课。
I used to go in one little store over here when I was taking the course.
当我参加课程时，我曾经去过这里的一家小商店。
And a greeting in Spanish is "Hola!" Like "hello." Every day I'd go in the store, and before I walked in I thought, I got this right this time.
西班牙语的问候语是“Hola！”就像“你好”。我每天都会去商店，在走进之前我想，这次我做对了。
And I go in and I go, "Halo!" And they just cracked up.
我走进去，“哈喽！”他们就大笑起来。
No, that's wrong.
不，那是错误的。
It's like, here she comes again, you know?
就像，她又来了，你知道吗？
Have you acquired a taste for Mexican food at all?
您对墨西哥食物有兴趣吗？
Oh yeah, sure.
哦，是的，当然。
I make my family stuff.
我做我的家庭用品。
My son-in-law is Mexican.
我的女婿是墨西哥人。
I couldn't ask for a better son-in-law.
我找不到更好的女婿了。
And his family's wonderful.
他的家人也很棒。
No, and he doesn't.
不，他也没有。
And I told him, when the kids were little, I said Al, teach your kids Spanish!
我告诉他，当孩子们还小的时候，我说阿尔，教你的孩子西班牙语！
But he didn't want to do that.
但他不想那样做。
Can I be real straight with you for a moment?
我可以跟你说实话吗？
It was curious to me, but I talked to Loretta--
我很好奇，但我和洛雷塔谈过——
Finally I got up the courage to tell Nancy that Loretta thought she had some hostility towards Hispanics.
最后我鼓起勇气告诉南希，洛雷塔认为她对西班牙裔有一些敌意。
I don't know why she'd even think that.
我不知道她为什么会这么想。
The only thing I can think of is they have a dog, a chow dog, and when he was a puppy, they used to let him run wild all the time, and my daughter picked up twice, he almost got hit by a car.
我唯一能想到的是他们养了一只狗，一只松狮犬，当他还是小狗的时候，他们就一直让他狂奔，我女儿捡了两次，他差点被车撞了。
We heard the car screech, and there was Jenny picking the dog up.
我们听到汽车发出刺耳的声音，珍妮把狗抱了起来。
And she yelled at Loretta.
她对洛蕾塔大喊大叫。
And she said, keep the dog in!
她说，把狗留在里面！
He's going to die.
他快要死了。
Because we had a chow and we loved it.
因为我们有一只松狮，而且我们很喜欢它。
But that's only incident I can think of.
但这只是我能想到的事件。
Nancy doesn't recall making the kinds of remarks that Loretta complained about, though she does remember telling Loretta that there was a gang problem, and a lot of the Hispanic people don't keep tabs on their children.
南希不记得曾说过洛雷塔抱怨的那种言论，但她确实记得告诉洛雷塔存在帮派问题，而且很多西班牙裔人并不监视自己的孩子。
This is where we get into the area where she and Loretta may never see eye-to-eye.
这就是我们进入她和洛雷塔可能永远不会意见一致的地方。
Nancy doesn't see statements like these as offensive.
南希并不认为此类言论具有冒犯性。
She just thought they were statements of fact.
她只是认为它们是事实陈述。
Before the gang kids weren't here, now they were.
以前帮派孩子不在这里，现在他们来了。
And there were young kids hanging on the street corners late at night.
深夜还有小孩子在街角闲逛。
From Loretta's point of view, it was clearly offensive.
从洛雷塔的角度来看，这显然是一种冒犯。
Though it's not as if Loretta is angry at Nancy.
不过洛雷塔并没有生南希的气。
Wary is more like it.
警惕更像是这样。
And maybe, they both said to me, when the weather warms, and they're hanging out in the backyard, they'll have a chance to talk.
他们都对我说，也许当天气变暖时，他们在后院闲逛，他们会有机会交谈。
Or maybe they'll run into each other at Mary Queen of Heaven, the church on the corner.
或者也许他们会在街角的玛丽女王天堂教堂相遇。
And this is Virginia Diaz-- Alex Kotlowitz Which brings me back to Annie.
这是弗吉尼亚·迪亚兹——亚历克斯·科特洛维茨 这让我想起了安妮。
One Sunday I attended Mary Queen of Heaven with her.
一个星期天，我和她一起参加了玛丽女王天堂。
We walked form the sacristy to the choir loft-- but not very far, but a 20 minute journey with Annie, who stops to say hello to everyone in our path.
我们从圣器收藏室步行到唱诗班阁楼——虽然不是很远，但和安妮一起走了 20 分钟，她停下来向我们路上的每个人打招呼。
This is Armando Herrera, and he can't sing--
这是阿曼多·埃雷拉，他不会唱歌——
The best good-looking guy-- Annie You can't sing.
最好看的帅哥——安妮 你不会唱歌。
There's something remarkably easy about Annie, and it's what I think, in the end, so drew Loretta to her.
安妮身上有一种非常简单的特质，我认为正是这一点最终吸引了洛蕾塔。
Annie has for 30 years been a musical director at the church.
安妮在教堂担任音乐总监已有 30 年。
The organ is located in the balcony, at the rear of the church.
管风琴位于教堂后面的阳台上。
And from there, Annie, perched on a wooden piano bench, has watched this row change.
从那里，安妮坐在木制钢琴凳上，看着这排的变化。
On Sunday, she plays organ for the English mass at 8:30, and then for the Spanish mass that starts right after.
周日，她在 8:30 为英国弥撒演奏风琴，然后为紧随其后开始的西班牙弥撒演奏风琴。
I can get the gist of it.
我能明白它的要点。
Want to know what the gist of it is?
想知道它的要点是什么吗？
The basic gist of it is, I give you a new commandment.
其基本要点是，我给你一条新的诫命。
Love one another as I have loved you.
彼此相爱，就像我爱你一样。
That's the basis.
这就是基础。
This church's congregation once was all white.
这座教堂的会众曾经都是白人。
On the morning I was there, at the English mass, there were maybe 150 worshippers spread out in the pews, all, as Annie joked, over the age of 90.
我去的那天早上，在英国弥撒中，长椅上大约有 150 名礼拜者，正如安妮开玩笑的那样，他们的年龄都在 90 岁以上。
At the Spanish mass, the pews filled with a thousand people, mostly families.
在西班牙弥撒中，长椅上坐满了一千人，其中大部分是家庭。
Some couldn't find seats, and so stood along the walls of the church.
有些人找不到座位，就沿着教堂的墙站着。
Over the years, Annie has learned the Spanish hymns.
多年来，安妮学会了西班牙赞美诗。
[SINGING IN SPANISH] Alex Kotlowitz The changes in Cicero, as Annie will tell you, haven't made the town better or worse.
[西班牙语演唱] 亚历克斯·科特洛维茨 正如安妮会告诉你的那样，西塞罗的变化并没有让这个小镇变得更好或更糟。
They just are what they are.
他们就是他们本来的样子。
Annie now has her hair done by a Mexican-American, because quite simply, it's the closest hair salon.
安妮现在让一位墨西哥裔美国人为她做头发，因为很简单，这是最近的发廊。
It's just around the corner.
就在拐角处。
The last time I saw her, she was talking about going to the traditional Quinceanera celebration for Loretta's younger daughter.
我上次见到她时，她正在谈论为洛雷塔的小女儿参加传统的成人礼庆祝活动。
It's being held at a place in Cicero called the European-American Hall.
它在西塞罗的一个叫做欧美大厅的地方举行。
Some things change more slowly than others.
有些事情的变化比其他事情慢。
[SINGING IN SPANISH] Credits Ira Glass Well, our program was produced today but Blue Chevigny, Alex Kotlowitz, and me, with Alex Blumberg, Jonathan Goldstein, and Starlee Kine.
[用西班牙语演唱] 鸣谢 Ira Glass 好吧，我们的节目今天制作完成了，除了 Blue Chevigny、Alex Kotlowitz 和我，还有 Alex Blumberg、Jonathan Goldstein 和 Starlee Kine。
Senior producer Julie Snyder.
高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help form Todd Bachmann and Annie Baxter.
托德·巴赫曼 (Todd Bachmann) 和安妮·巴克斯特 (Annie Baxter) 为制作提供帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGMENTS] This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, you know, who used to visit Cicero and say things like,
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理监督由托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia) 负责，你知道，他曾经拜访过西塞罗并说过这样的话：
You won't be sorry for letting me in, Mr. Vettori.
你不会后悔让我进来的，维托里先生。
I'll shoot square with you.
我会和你开枪。
I'll do anything you say.
我会做任何你说的事。
I ain't afraid of nothing.
我什么都不怕
No, he isn't.
不，他不是。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。