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00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 177 集 | 2010 年 8 月 27 日 177：《美国地狱》 注：《美国生活》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
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Prologue Ira Glass When he was 15, Lee was living illegally in the United States.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 15 岁时，李在美国非法居住。
He'd come over from China, and he worked in a series of Chinese restaurants in small towns in Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York.
他从中国过来，在宾夕法尼亚州、俄亥俄州和纽约州的小镇上的一系列中餐馆工作过。
He didn't speak English, though he wanted to.
他不会说英语，尽管他想说。
He didn't go to school, though he wanted to.
尽管他很想上学，但他没有去上学。
Instead, he and the other illegal immigrants working in these restaurants lived in tiny apartments, sometimes in the back of the restaurants, sleeping on bunk beds, working 12 hours a day, six days a week.
相反，他和在这些餐馆工作的其他非法移民住在狭小的公寓里，有时住在餐馆后面，睡在双层床上，每天工作 12 小时，每周工作 6 天。
The one thing that I can tell you is that we had really little contact with other people, you know what I mean?
我可以告诉你的一件事是我们与其他人的接触很少，你知道我的意思吗？
The thing that must have been so strange, though, is that you're working in a restaurant, and so you would see all these people come in, and you would see families with kids and people your own age.
然而，一定很奇怪的是，你在一家餐馆工作，所以你会看到所有这些人进来，你会看到有孩子的家庭和与你同龄的人。
And it must've just seemed like they were on the other side of some sort of wall that you could never climb over.
他们一定看起来就像是在某种你永远无法翻越的墙的另一边。
Yeah.
是的。
I feel like it's a different world.
我感觉这是一个不同的世界。
It's like people don't even see you sometimes, if you're working behind a restaurant.
如果你在餐馆后面工作，有时人们甚至看不到你。
Sometimes you feel mad, you feel angry, that you can't be like them.
有时你会感到生气、生气，因为你不能像他们一样。
And then you try to think about why.
然后你尝试思考为什么。
I can't find a reason.
我找不到理由。
We talked about this a while.
我们讨论了一会儿这个问题。
And finally, I told Lee that it seemed like he was living in a kind of limbo-- not his old life in China, not a real American life.
最后，我告诉李，他似乎生活在一种不稳定的状态——不是他在中国的旧生活，也不是真正的美国生活。
And he agreed.
他同意了。
Limbo, yeah.
地狱边境，是的。
Right between, somewhere in between, and you don't know where it is, actually.
就在两者之间，实际上，你不知道它在哪里。
You know, the idea of limbo comes from the church.
你知道，地狱边缘的想法来自教会。
And originally it was used to describe people who aren't going to heaven, but they aren't bad enough for hell.
最初它是用来形容那些不会上天堂，但还没有坏到下地狱的人。
Which country is the heaven and which country is the hell?
哪个国家是天堂，哪个国家是地狱？
Well, I don't know if you've heard-- there's a TV show in China.
嗯，我不知道你是否听说过——中国有一个电视节目。
It's called Peking People in New York.
它的名字叫《北京人在纽约》。
Yeah.
是的。
You know the city of Peking, right?
你知道北京这座城市吧？
Sure.
当然。
Beijing.
北京。
Lee Qi Beijing.
李琪北京.
OK.
好的。
So it's the title of the TV show.
所以这是电视剧的标题。
And every time the TV show comes out, every time an episode comes out, there's a code.
每次电视节目、每集播出时，都会有一个代码。
So if you like the person, send the person to New York, because it is heaven.
所以如果你喜欢这个人，就送他去纽约，因为那是天堂。
If you hate a person, also send the person to New York, because it is hell.
如果你讨厌一个人，也把这个人送到纽约，因为那是地狱。
Every time you see that episode, you see this code.
每次您看到该集时，您都会看到此代码。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE] I thought it was fun.
[难以理解的短语]我认为这很有趣。
Yes, America can be heaven.
是的，美国可以成为天堂。
It can be hell.
这可能是地狱。
But today on our program, American Limbo, stories of people who somehow have ended up living completely outside the grid of normal American life.
但今天在我们的节目《美国地狱》中，讲述了一些人最终完全生活在正常美国生活之外的故事。
We have three stories for you in three acts.
我们为您准备了三幕三个故事。
Act One, The Family That Flees Together, Trees Together.
第一幕，一起逃亡的家庭，一起树木。
I know that does not make a lot of sense right now, but believe me, it will.
我知道现在这没有多大意义，但相信我，它会的。
It will.
会的。
Act Two, What's French For "Steeee-rike Three?" An American parent abroad tries to make his kid more American using the powerful force that is American baseball, and how is it that any kid could resist that?
第二幕，法语中的“Steee-rike Three”是什么意思？一位在国外的美国父母试图利用美国棒球的强大力量让他的孩子变得更加美国化，怎么会有一个孩子能够抗拒呢？
Act Three, It's Julie Andrews' World, Sylvia Just Lives in It, in which one girl takes a tape recorder to college and documents her first year in just 11 minutes.
第三幕，《这是朱莉·安德鲁斯的世界，西尔维娅就生活在其中》，其中一个女孩带着录音机上大学，并在短短 11 分钟内记录了她的第一年。
From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life .
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One.
第一幕。
This is the story of a family that drops out entirely from society, goes on the run after they get in trouble with the law.
这是一个完全脱离社会、触犯法律后逃亡的家庭的故事。
Two parents, six kids, no money, making do as they can for seven years.
两个父母，六个孩子，没有钱，七年来勉强度日。
And how do the kids turn out after all that?
经历了这一切之后，孩子们的表现如何？
Actually, surprisingly, kind of great.
事实上，令人惊讶的是，很棒。
The family is called the Jarvises.
这个家族被称为贾维斯家族。
This American Life producer Alex Blumberg visited them in Florida.
《美国生活》制片人亚历克斯·布隆伯格在佛罗里达州拜访了他们。
Here's a typical scene in the life of the Jarvis family.
这是贾维斯一家生活中的典型场景。
The kids are gathered around a shallow well, maybe three feet deep.
孩子们聚集在一口大概三英尺深的浅井周围。
An alligator is trapped inside.
一条鳄鱼被困在里面。
Their first instinct?
他们的第一直觉？
Rescue the poor thing.
拯救这个可怜的东西。
Poor thing, eh?
可怜的东西，嗯？
Anna Jarvis [?
安娜·贾维斯[?
James, ?] just reach your hand down there and pull it out.
詹姆斯，？] 只要将手伸到那里并将其拉出来即可。
No, I don't want to do that.
不，我不想那样做。
Cy Jarvis Well, he just keeps whipping so fast.
赛·贾维斯（Cy Jarvis）：好吧，他只是一直鞭打得如此之快。
Stick your hand in his mouth and see what he does.
把你的手放在他嘴里，看看他会做什么。
That's Anna, 14, the youngest girl, advising her brother Cy, 21, to stick his hand in the alligator's mouth.
那是 14 岁的安娜，最小的女孩，建议她 21 岁的弟弟赛把手伸进鳄鱼嘴里。
Cy has a different idea, a completely ingenious one, and in a moment, he's holding a kind of makeshift noose in his hand.
赛有一个不同的想法，一个完全巧妙的想法，一会儿，他手里就拿着一种临时的绞索。
I'm going to take this snare that I got and I'm going to put it over his mouth and then I'm going to pull it tight so he can't bite.
我要把我得到的这个圈套放在他的嘴上，然后我要把它拉紧，这样他就不能咬人了。
I just made it real quick, whipped it out of some string and some sticks.
我只是做得很快，用一些绳子和一些棍子把它抽出来。
Come on, there, gator, just relax.
来吧，鳄鱼，放松点。
Just relax.
放松点。
For seven years, the Jarvis family lived on the run-- in a treehouse in a cypress swamp, in the rotting hull of a boat, anywhere they could hide.
七年来，贾维斯一家一直在逃亡——在柏树沼泽的树屋里，在腐烂的船体里，任何他们能藏身的地方。
But before that, for over 20 years, they lived in a house they built themselves, far from anyone, in the middle of a forest in West Virginia.
但在此之前的 20 多年里，他们一直住在西弗吉尼亚州森林中自己建造的房子里，远离任何人。
They grew most of their own food in their garden.
他们的大部分食物都是在花园里种植的。
A natural gas well on their property powered their appliances.
他们房产上的一口天然气井为他们的电器提供动力。
They had no electric bill, no heating bill.
他们没有电费，没有取暖费。
This is the mom, Eileen Jarvis.
这是妈妈，艾琳·贾维斯。
We just wanted to make our own little world, really, and have our handle on it.
我们只是想创造自己的小世界，真的，并掌控它。
I feel like my kids grew up in Never-Never Land.
我觉得我的孩子是在梦幻岛长大的。
Did they really?
他们真的吗？
How so?
为何如此？
Eileen Jarvis They had 140 acres plus to run around and play in and they used every bit of it.
艾琳·贾维斯 (Eileen Jarvis) 他们拥有超过 140 英亩的土地可供奔跑和玩耍，他们充分利用了每一块土地。
They had a treehouse or a fort in every tree.
他们在每棵树上都有一个树屋或一个堡垒。
Eileen and her husband Ron were '60s back-to-the-land dropouts who'd actually stayed dropped out.
艾琳（Eileen）和她的丈夫罗恩（Ron）是 60 年代的退学者，实际上他们一直辍学。
Their home in the 1990s looked a lot like it did in the 1970s-- vegetarian dinners, barefoot children, lots of wood carvings.
他们 20 世纪 90 年代的家看起来和 1970 年代很像——素食晚餐、赤脚的孩子、大量的木雕。
Even the crops they grew were the same, which in 1992 became a problem when a helicopter spotted a marijuana patch Ron was growing on the property.
就连他们种植的农作物也都是一样的，1992 年，当一架直升机发现罗恩在这片土地上种植大麻时，这成了一个问题。
My son Asa was going to cut the grass and he had the lawn mower on, and I had dinner cooking.
我儿子阿萨要去割草，他打开了割草机，我则做饭。
And Asa came running in the house and he said, "Dad said to get in the van." So we just left-- left the stove on, the pressure cooker on.
亚撒跑进屋子，说道：“爸爸说要上车。”所以我们就离开了——让炉子开着，高压锅开着。
Dinner in the-- coffee, I had just made a pot of coffee and poured it up.
晚餐在——咖啡厅，我刚刚煮了一壶咖啡，倒了上去。
And we took nothing with us.
我们什么也没带走。
The kids didn't have shoes on their feet.
孩子们脚上没有鞋子。
We just walked out of the house and that was it.
我们刚走出家门，就这样了。
If you ask Ron Jarvis about the marijuana patch today, he says he planted it earlier in the year, right after his wife was diagnosed with cervical cancer, to sell and pay for her treatments.
如果你今天问罗恩·贾维斯（Ron Jarvis）关于大麻地的事情，他说他是在今年早些时候种植的，当时他的妻子被诊断出患有宫颈癌，然后出售并支付她的治疗费用。
He also says he smoked pot regularly his whole life, and some of his kids did too.
他还说他一生都经常吸大麻，他的一些孩子也吸大麻。
I still don't see myself as a criminal.
我仍然不认为自己是一个罪犯。
But my decision to grow that pot caused my family to have to suffer that trauma.
但我种植那盆花的决定让我的家人不得不遭受这种创伤。
And it's one of the things that I feel really responsible for.
这是我觉得真正有责任的事情之一。
It wasn't a good decision.
这不是一个好的决定。
The Jarvises hit the road, and it was hard.
贾维斯一家上路了，一路走来很艰难。
They couldn't stay with anyone they knew without implicating them into their crime.
他们不能和认识的人呆在一起而不让他们卷入犯罪。
They couldn't drive their van.
他们无法驾驶货车。
They couldn't rent an apartment or get a job without showing ID, and they couldn't show ID without popping up in a background check.
如果不出示身份证件，他们就无法租公寓或找到工作；如果不进行背景调查，他们也无法出示身份证件。
They had six kids, the youngest seven years old, and they had seven dollars in their pocket.
他们有六个孩子，最小的七岁，口袋里有七美元。
In retrospect, Eileen says she and Ron were just trying to do the right thing.
回想起来，艾琳说她和罗恩只是想做正确的事。
I knew I was going to be arrested, and I knew they weren't going to let me take my kids to jail with me.
我知道我会被逮捕，我也知道他们不会让我带着我的孩子一起进监狱。
No, I just knew it wasn't going to be good.
不，我只是知道这不会有什么好处。
It wasn't going to be good.
事情不会好起来的。
All of a sudden, I think all my kids are going to be scattered out into foster homes.
突然间，我想我所有的孩子都会被分散到寄养家庭。
Everything's flowing through my head.
一切都在我的脑海中流动。
No, they weren't going to-- it just wasn't going to be good.
不，他们不会——这不会有什么好处。
The Jarvises caught some lucky breaks.
贾维斯一家遇到了一些幸运的机会。
A family friend who happened to be passing through that day, and happened to be driving a van, took them to Maryland, where all eight of them crashed in a friend's one-room attic.
那天，一位家庭朋友碰巧路过，碰巧开着一辆面包车，把他们带到马里兰州，八个人全部坠毁在一个朋友的单间阁楼里。
And for two months, it went like this.
就这样过了两个月。
Ron and his friend would get up before dawn, drive to the forest and collect wood.
罗恩和他的朋友会在黎明前起床，开车去森林收集木材。
By sun-up, they were back at the house, out in the backyard, cutting and bending it into benches, tables, and chairs.
日出时，他们回到了房子，在后院，将其切割并弯曲成长凳、桌子和椅子。
The kids all helped, sanding, finishing, weaving seat bottoms.
孩子们都帮忙，打磨、整理、编织座椅底部。
If it rained, they put plastic tarps over their heads.
如果下雨，他们就把塑料防水布盖在头上。
Once they got a big enough furniture pile, they'd go to boat shows around Annapolis and sell it by the side of the road.
一旦他们有了足够多的家具，他们就会去安纳波利斯周围的船展并在路边出售。
I would have a reoccurring dream, and I know that some of my kids would, too, of just walking through that house and looking at everything.
我会做一个反复出现的梦，我知道我的一些孩子也会做这样的梦：只是走过那栋房子，看看一切。
But you're not there to stay.
但你不在那里停留。
You're just walking through the house.
你只是走过房子。
And I would just see it all.
我只想看到这一切。
The play room where the kids played, all their toys they'd had through all the years.
孩子们玩耍的游戏室，里面有他们多年来拥有的所有玩具。
The lofts that they slept in.
他们睡觉的阁楼。
I could just see everything.
我可以看到一切。
And the one thing that I would always be focusing on in my dreams would be grabbing that Swiss Army knife while I'm going through the kitchen really slow, and grabbing that Swiss Army knife so I had it with me.
我在梦中始终关注的一件事是，当我非常缓慢地穿过厨房时，抓住那把瑞士军刀，并抓住那把瑞士军刀，这样我就随身携带了它。
Are you serious?
你是认真的？
Eileen Jarvis I'm serious.
艾琳·贾维斯 我是认真的。
I'm very serious.
我很认真的。
I didn't really realize that we were going to have to leave there forever.
我真的没有意识到我们将不得不永远离开那里。
This is the oldest girl, 19-year-old Molly Jarvis.
这是年龄最大的女孩，19 岁的莫莉·贾维斯 (Molly Jarvis)。
I kind of figured we were going to be able to go back in a few days.
我想几天后我们就可以回去了。
That's what I figured.
我就是这么想的。
I was thinking, where are we going to stay for a few days until we go back?
我在想，我们回去之前要在哪里呆几天呢？
The boat that would eventually be their home was at that point at a dock in the Annapolis Yacht Club.
最终成为他们家的船当时停在安纳波利斯游艇俱乐部的码头上。
The club was planning to saw it up, sell it for scrap, but when Ron asked about it, they said they'd sell it to him instead for $5,000.
俱乐部本来打算把它锯掉，当废品卖掉，但当罗恩问起这件事时，他们说他们会以 5,000 美元的价格卖给他。
It was full of holes, half rotted out.
它满是洞，一半已经腐烂了。
Exchanging a cramped attic for a dilapidated boat that barely floats might not seem to be such a great trade, but the day the Jarvises finally moved in was one of the happiest in a long time.
用狭窄的阁楼换成一艘几乎不能漂浮的破旧船似乎不是一个伟大的交易，但贾维斯一家最终搬进来的那一天是很长一段时间以来最幸福的一天。
They patched the holes with tar and plywood, stowed all their stuff in the hull, and had a friend tow them to what would become home for the next two years, down the bay to a marina called Backyard Boats.
他们用焦油和胶合板修补了洞，把所有东西都装进了船体，然后让一个朋友把它们拖到了未来两年的家，沿着海湾到了一个叫“后院船”的码头。
Manager Ginger Griffith.
经理金格·格里菲斯。
Right there, what looks like a big slip from here?
就在那里，从这里看起来像是一个大失误？
That's where they pulled in when they first came here.
这是他们第一次来到这里时停泊的地方。
One of the guys in the yard came in the office and said, "Ginger, there's a boat here wants to be hauled, but I think you'd better look at it." I said, "OK," so I came out and I really walked down to just about where we are now.
院子里的一个人走进办公室，说道：“金杰，这里有一艘船想要拖走，但我认为你最好看看它。”我说：“好吧”，然后我就出来了，我真的走到了我们现在所在的地方。
So, what, 50 feet from the dock?
那么，距离码头 50 英尺？
And I just took one look at that and said, in my heart, "What a sight that is." It was leaking.
我只是看了一眼，心里说：“那是多么壮观的景象啊。”它正在泄漏。
They had pumps going on it, probably four or five pumps running full-time to keep it floating.
他们在上面安装了水泵，可能有四五个水泵全职运行以保持其漂浮。
The family looked tired.
一家人看上去都很疲惫。
And I thought, a mother of all those children on that boat.
我想，她是那条船上所有孩子的母亲。
Thank god it's not me.
感谢上帝，这不是我。
It just touched me, right away, seeing them.
看到他们，我立刻就感动了。
I can't see how it wouldn't touch anybody if they could have seen them that way.
我不明白如果他们能这样看的话，它怎么会不感动任何人。
You could tell that this was not a family at its best.
可以看出，这不是一个最好的家庭。
The Jarvises were not the typical Backyard Boats customer.
贾维斯一家并不是后院船公司的典型客户。
For one thing, most customers didn't bring their boat in for repairs with their entire eight-person family aboard.
一方面，大多数顾客并没有把他们的船带去修理，他们的八口之家都在船上。
For another thing, most customers went home after the boat was hauled out of the water and placed on jacks in the repair lot.
另一方面，大多数顾客在船被拖出水面并放在修理场的千斤顶上后就回家了。
They didn't do what the Jarvises did, which was climb aboard the boat, suspended on its jacks, and proceed to live on it while they repaired it.
他们没有做贾维斯夫妇所做的事情，即爬上船，悬挂在千斤顶上，然后在修理船的同时继续生活在船上。
It was cramped in there.
那里很拥挤。
The three girls slept in a room the size of two refrigerator boxes, too low to stand in, even if you're a 12-year-old girl.
三个女孩睡在两个冰箱大小的房间里，即使你是一个 12 岁的女孩，也太低了，无法站立。
The planking was all in the process of being replaced, so there were holes in the hull which they covered with plastic tarps.
木板都在更换过程中，所以船体上有洞，他们用塑料防水布盖住了。
They bathed in a shower they rigged up under the boat behind makeshift plywood walls.
他们在船下搭建的临时胶合板墙后面的淋浴间里洗澡。
And for two years, they lived without the slightest bit of privacy from each other.
两年来，他们生活得毫无隐私可言。
They couldn't make a move without everyone else in the family knowing about it.
在家里其他人都知道的情况下，他们不能采取行动。
But none of this bothered them.
但这一切都没有困扰他们。
19-year-old Molly and her 17-year-old sister Lily explain what did.
19 岁的莫莉和她 17 岁的妹妹莉莉解释了他们所做的事情。
There was people.
有人。
There was lots of people, which wasn't a normal thing in West Virginia.
人很多，这在西弗吉尼亚州并不常见。
Because we used to be back in the woods, and all of a sudden, we were right in the middle of town.
因为我们以前在树林里，突然之间，我们就到了镇中心。
Everything was different about it.
一切都不同了。
Everything.
一切。
You'd see different people every day.
你每天都会见到不同的人。
That was not normal.
那是不正常的。
We had regular friends, and it was the first time we could walk down the street to your friend's house.
我们有固定的朋友，这是我们第一次可以沿着街道走到朋友家。
It was like we had company every day.
就好像我们每天都有陪伴。
What was it like going over to your-- did their parents ever ask you, what do your parents do, and that sort of thing?
去见你的父母是什么感觉？他们的父母有没有问过你，你的父母是做什么的，诸如此类的事情？
People ask you, you know, "Why did your parents sell their farm in West Virginia just to live on that ratty old boat?" "Oh, I don't know.
人们问你，你知道，“为什么你的父母卖掉他们在西弗吉尼亚州的农场只是为了住在那艘破旧的船上？” “哦，我不知道。
They just like boats."
他们只是喜欢船。”
And what did you say?
你说什么？
Lily Jarvis I don't know.
莉莉·贾维斯 我不知道。
You just kind of talk your way out of it.
你只是想办法摆脱它。
just be vague.
只是含糊其辞。
That was hard.
那很难。
But that just can't be casual conversation.
但这不可能是随意的谈话。
I was just always afraid of getting someone else in trouble.
我只是总是害怕给别人带来麻烦。
To the best of my knowledge, no one knew anything about any details of their past.
据我所知，没有人知道他们过去的任何细节。
Again, Backyard Boats manager Ginger Griffith.
再次是 Backyard Boats 经理金格·格里菲斯 (Ginger Griffith)。
In fact, let's see.
事实上，让我们看看。
After it was a long time, it became very normal, we just didn't think anything other than the fact that maybe they were sort of like hippies and enjoyed living in their boat under the primitive conditions, that that's what they chose to do.
过了很长一段时间，这就变得很正常了，我们只是想到了这样一个事实：也许他们有点像嬉皮士，喜欢在原始条件下生活在船上，这就是他们选择做的事情。
We even forgot about the fact that there may have been a story behind this, and just kind of accepted that that's the way they wanted to live.
我们甚至忘记了这背后可能有一个故事，只是接受了这就是他们想要的生活方式。
And if people were to ask, we'd say, "Oh, they're fine.
如果人们问起，我们会说：“哦，他们很好。
They just like to live like that."
他们就是喜欢那样的生活。”
Over time, the Jarvises played a larger and larger role in the community.
随着时间的推移，贾维斯一家在社区中发挥着越来越大的作用。
Eileen got a job helping Ginger manage the office at the marina.
艾琳找到了一份工作，帮助金杰管理码头的办公室。
The oldest boy, Yancy, started working as a rigger.
最大的男孩扬西（Yancy）开始担任索具工。
And his brothers Asa and Cy were hotly sought after to race other people's boats.
他的兄弟阿萨（Asa）和赛（Cy）也因与其他人赛艇而受到热烈追捧。
The girls were still home-schooled, but they babysat and got jobs detailing boats, running the fuel dock.
女孩们仍然在家接受教育，但她们照顾孩子，找到了修理船只、管理燃料码头的工作。
The Jarvises had taken the classic fugitive trajectory and reversed it.
贾维斯一家走上了经典的逃亡轨迹，并扭转了这一趋势。
They hadn't fled civilization for isolation.
他们逃离文明并不是为了与世隔绝。
They'd been flushed out of isolation and they could only get away by blending back into civilization.
他们已经摆脱了孤立，只有重新融入文明社会才能摆脱困境。
What was it like becoming friends with more typical American kids?
和更典型的美国孩子成为朋友是什么感觉？
It was OK.
没关系。
It really wasn't that different.
确实没有那么不同。
I didn't think it was that hard.
我不认为这有那么难。
It wasn't different at all?
根本就没有什么不同吗？
They go home to their house, they watch their TV, and you go home to a boat and roll out your bed?
他们回家，看电视，而你回到船上，铺开床铺？
That wasn't different?
那没有什么不同吗？
You didn't feel like it was different?
你没觉得不一样吗？
It was just what we did, so I just thought that was normal, I guess.
这就是我们所做的，所以我想这很正常。
Some kids live in houses and some kids live on boats.
有些孩子住在房子里，有些孩子住在船上。
Some kids live in treehouses.
有些孩子住在树屋里。
The other thing that's amazing to me is that you were doing this at the age when-- like, when I was 12 or 13, that was the worst-- that was when I was most susceptible to peer pressure, and when I felt most like an outcast.
另一件令我惊讶的事情是，你在我 12 岁或 13 岁的时候做这件事，那是最糟糕的，那时我最容易受到同辈压力，也是我最感觉自己被抛弃的时候。
And when I felt like I was different than everybody and it was a horrible feeling.
当我觉得自己和每个人都不一样时，这是一种可怕的感觉。
And here you were, actually different than everybody, but you didn't feel that way?
而你在这里，实际上与每个人都不同，但你没有那样的感觉吗？
No, none of the kids were mean to us or anything.
不，没有一个孩子对我们或其他任何事情刻薄。
Nobody was ever mean to us, never.
从来没有人对我们刻薄过，从来没有。
No, we didn't feel weird.
不，我们并不觉得奇怪。
We knew we were different, I guess.
我想我们知道我们与众不同。
But we didn't feel like we were inferior to anybody.
但我们并不觉得自己不如任何人。
I should mention here another fact about the Jarvises.
我应该在这里提到关于贾维斯一家的另一个事实。
They're all, from the oldest boy to the youngest girl, beautiful.
从最大的男孩到最小的女孩，他们都很漂亮。
The girls have silky long blonde hair.
女孩们有一头柔滑的金色长发。
The boys are tanned, high-cheekboned, and muscley.
男孩们晒黑了，颧骨高，肌肉发达。
If there were a movie version of their story, it might be the only film in history where the Hollywood actors are actually less good-looking than the people they're portraying.
如果他们的故事有一个电影版本，这可能是历史上唯一一部好莱坞演员实际上不如他们所扮演的人好看的电影。
Combine this with the fact that they're all incredibly talented, they're unfailingly polite, good-natured and thoughtful, they seem to have no familiarity with adolescent angst, and that for years they emerged this way each morning, radiant and glowing, from within the hull of a half-built boat on jacks in a gravel repair lot, you can see why people are impressed.
再加上他们都非常有才华，他们始终彬彬有礼，心地善良，体贴周到，他们似乎对青春期的焦虑不熟悉，多年来，他们每天早上都以这种方式出现，容光焕发，容光焕发，从碎石修理场的半成品船的船体中出现，你就可以理解为什么人们会留下深刻的印象。
Here's Ginger Griffith.
这是金格尔·格里菲斯。
They just were an inspiration.
他们只是一种灵感。
I mean you'd just think, what an ideal family.
我的意思是你会想，多么理想的家庭啊。
Wouldn't it be neat to have a family that involved with each other and concerned?
拥有一个互相关心、互相关心的家庭不是很好吗？
I mean, the little girls were making baskets and painting pictures, and it was all so good.
我的意思是，小女孩们正在制作篮子和画画，一切都那么好。
And the mother would take time to acknowledge what they were doing and to advise them or praise them or whatever.
母亲会花时间承认他们在做什么，并给他们建议或赞扬他们或其他什么。
And all in such a positive way that the girls would just skip out of here inspired to do even more.
所有这一切都以一种积极的方式进行，以至于女孩们离开这里会受到启发，去做更多的事情。
It was wonderful.
太棒了。
After two years at Backyard Boats, the sharp spike of adrenaline that every Jarvis felt at the sight of a flashing blue light had softened into a dull jab.
在“后院船”呆了两年后，每个贾维斯在看到闪烁的蓝光时所感受到的肾上腺素的急剧上升已经变得柔和，变成了沉闷的刺痛。
The boat was beautiful, all hand-carved wood, and two months away from being seaworthy.
这艘船很漂亮，全是手工雕刻的木头，还有两个月就可以适航了。
And the Jarvises themselves were two months away from disappearing onto the sea.
距离贾维斯一家消失在海上还有两个月。
And then they got a call from Ron's sister.
然后他们接到了罗恩姐姐的电话。
The FBI had threatened to put her in jail.
联邦调查局威胁要把她关进监狱。
She'd had to tell.
她必须告诉。
They were on their way.
他们正在路上。
Once again, the Jarvises grabbed what they could and left.
贾维斯一家再次拿走了他们能拿走的东西并离开了。
I just figured we were always going to live like this.
我只是想我们会一直这样生活。
I thought we were always going to almost get caught, just like we always did, and then always get away.
我以为我们总是会差点被抓住，就像我们一直做的那样，然后总是逃脱。
That's what I figured.
我就是这么想的。
I didn't think they were ever going to get caught.
我没想到他们会被抓住。
I didn't think that was ever going to happen.
我不认为这会发生。
We haven't been here since probably '97.
我们大概从 97 年起就没有来过这里了。
What are we looking at here?
我们在这里看什么？
Eileen Jarvis We're looking at our treehouse, our other home sweet home.
艾琳·贾维斯（Eileen Jarvis） 我们正在参观我们的树屋，这是我们另一个温馨的家。
I'm standing in the middle of a cypress swamp on the Suwannee River in western Florida with five of the eight Jarvises.
我和八个贾维斯中的五个站在佛罗里达州西部苏万尼河上的柏树沼泽中央。
They've brought me here to show me one of the last places they lived during their life on the run.
他们带我来这里是为了让我看看他们逃亡期间最后住过的地方之一。
Are the floors rotten, Molly?
莫莉，地板烂了吗？
Alex Blumberg The treehouse is about 10 feet off the ground, suspended in the Vs of two large oak trees.
Alex Blumberg 树屋距离地面约 10 英尺，悬挂在两棵大橡树的 V 形结构中。
Ron built it out of swamp cypress himself, using only a hand saw.
罗恩亲自用沼泽柏树建造了它，只使用了一把手锯。
It took him one month.
他花了一个月的时间。
We go up a staircase built of unfinished cypress branches lashed together.
我们走上由未完工的柏树枝条绑在一起建造的楼梯。
Inside, it rivals anything you've seen on Gilligan's Island .
在里面，它可以与您在吉利根岛上看到的任何东西相媲美。
This is the living room.
这是客厅。
We had a chair here and we had a settee here and another chair in here somewhere.
我们这里有一把椅子，这里有一张长椅，这里的某个地方还有另一把椅子。
This held all our fruits and veggies, this hollow log.
这根空心木头里装着我们所有的水果和蔬菜。
And over here, Ron had built a fireplace.
罗恩在这里建了一个壁炉。
We found this picnic table top floating down the river too.
我们发现这张野餐桌也顺流而下。
Floating down the river.
顺流而下。
And this was a find, a table top, so we brought that up here and Ron made this bar for us so we could eat around it.
这是一个发现，一个桌面，所以我们把它带到这里，罗恩为我们做了这个酒吧，这样我们就可以在它周围吃饭。
The Jarvises only lived in the treehouse for two months before a nosy game warden forced them to move on again.
贾维斯一家在树屋里只住了两个月，就被爱管闲事的狩猎管理员强迫他们再次搬走。
From there, they went back and forth around Florida.
从那里，他们在佛罗里达州来回穿梭。
They were living on their boat in a marina in Saint Augustine when marshals finally caught them.
当法警最终抓住他们时，他们住在圣奥古斯丁码头的船上。
Eileen says that they'd felt for months that they should move on, but that life had gotten comfortable, the boys with their own boats, everybody working a good job, the family all together.
艾琳说，几个月来他们一直觉得自己应该继续前进，但生活已经变得舒适，男孩们拥有自己的船，每个人都工作得很好，一家人在一起。
When agents finally did show up, it wasn't a surprise, really.
当特工最终出现时，真的并不令人意外。
Eileen went to jail for three months, Ron for a little over two years.
艾琳入狱三个月，罗恩入狱两年多一点。
It's surprisingly beautiful in the swamp.
沼泽地里的景色出奇的美丽。
The river is wide and there's herons flying and nesting all along it.
河面宽阔，苍鹭飞翔，筑巢。
The girls swim and splash in the water.
女孩们在水中游泳、嬉戏。
Eileen tells me that their years on the run have affected each of her children differently.
艾琳告诉我，他们的逃亡岁月对她的每个孩子都有不同的影响。
And once it gets dark, while she and the girls go and prepare dinner, I talk to her youngest boy, Cy, who's 21, and whose outlook differs quite a bit from his sisters and mothers about what he's learned since the family first fled West Virginia.
天一黑，当她和女儿们去准备晚餐时，我和她最小的儿子赛 (Cy) 交谈，他 21 岁，对于自从全家第一次逃离西弗吉尼亚州以来他所学到的东西，他的看法与他的姐妹和母亲有很大不同。
We really didn't know how people were.
我们真的不知道人们是怎样的。
And people are basically beasts.
人基本上是野兽。
Because most people aren't very friendly.
因为大多数人都不是很友好。
Of course, we were lucky there.
当然，我们在那里很幸运。
At Shady Side, a lot of them people were basically friendly people.
在 Shady Side，很多人基本上都是友好的人。
They were primitive thinkers, but they were real friendly and they were nice people, and most of them were just out to help instead of out to get you, they were out to help you.
他们是原始的思想家，但他们非常友好，他们是好人，他们中的大多数人只是想帮助你，而不是想抓住你，他们是想帮助你。
And during winter time, we didn't have no money, and we didn't basically have no walls around us because they were all so rotten.
冬天的时候，我们并不是没有钱，我们周围也基本上没有围墙，因为它们都已经腐烂了。
And people were all the time coming by and offering us heaters and blankets and all kinds of stuff.
人们总是过来给我们提供加热器、毯子和各种东西。
So it was nice of them.
所以他们很好。
All the people around there were great.
周围的人都很棒。
And like I say, they were basically primitive thinkers, but they were really nice people.
就像我说的，他们基本上是原始的思想家，但他们都是很好的人。
What do you mean by that?
你这是什么意思？
Cy Jarvis Primitive thinkers?
赛·贾维斯 原始思想家？
What I mean by that is they don't mind.
我的意思是他们不介意。
They don't mind eating meat and smoking cigarettes, and they don't mind running over that animal that crosses the road.
他们不介意吃肉和抽烟，也不介意碾过过马路的动物。
And they don't mind just shooting something, and they don't mind killing something.
他们不介意只是开枪射击什么东西，也不介意杀死什么东西。
And they don't mind driving their diesel boats all over the place and spilling motor oil in the water.
他们不介意开着柴油船到处乱跑，把机油洒在水里。
And the words they say, they're pretty much foul.
而且他们说的那些话，几乎都是粗俗的。
And the stuff they discuss don't need to be discussed around kids and family, and don't need to be discussed, period.
他们讨论的东西不需要在孩子和家庭周围讨论，也不需要讨论，就这样。
That's what I mean by primitive thinkers.
这就是我所说的原始思想家的意思。
Just not really understanding what right is and what wrong is.
只是没有真正理解什么是对，什么是错。
They don't know the difference between the two.
他们不知道两者之间的区别。
Primitive thinker-- is that your term or is that your dad's term?
原始思想家——这是你的术语还是你父亲的术语？
Or is that something that--
或者是这样的东西——
That's my term.
这是我的术语。
That's what I've learned.
这就是我学到的。
The rest of your family doesn't seem to feel this way exactly.
你家里的其他人似乎并不这么认为。
They don't seem to feel this way because-- I don't know, they watch a little bit more TV than me and they listen to more radio.
他们似乎没有这样的感觉，因为——我不知道，他们看的电视比我多一点，听的广播也多一些。
And I'm not attacking them when I say it, but yeah, they're primitive thinkers.
我这么说并不是在攻击他们，但是，是的，他们是原始的思想家。
And it's not like I made this stuff up.
这并不是我编造的。
I just deal on a level of right and wrong.
我只是在正确与错误的层面上进行处理。
How did you come by your notion of right and wrong?
你的正确与错误的观念是如何产生的？
I didn't come by it.
我不是来的。
It's right and it's wrong.
这是对的，也是错的。
There's not two different rights and there's not two different wrongs.
不存在两种不同的权利，也不存在两种不同的错误。
But I mean, how did you figure it out, then?
但我的意思是，那么你是怎么想出来的呢？
How do you explain the fact that other people don't know it and you do?
你如何解释别人不知道而你知道的事实？
Well, what I see as being wrong is what has happened to my dad.
好吧，我认为错误的是发生在我父亲身上的事情。
That's what I see as being wrong.
我认为这是错误的。
They can come into your house with guns and point the guns at you and take what's yours and do whatever they want.
他们可以带着枪进入你的房子，用枪指着你，拿走你的东西，为所欲为。
They can come into your house and they can stomp their cigarette butts out on your carpet.
他们可以进入你的房子，他们可以在你的地毯上踩掉烟头。
And they can pull all your clothes out and throw it on the floor.
他们可以把你所有的衣服都拉出来扔在地板上。
And they can go through your cabinets and dump flour on the floor, and your oatmeal and everything on the floor just to make a mess.
他们可以翻遍你的橱柜，把面粉、燕麦片和所有东西倒在地板上，把一切弄得一团糟。
It's not like you're hiding something in the oatmeal.
这并不是说你在燕麦片里藏了什么东西。
Why do they need to do that?
为什么他们需要这样做？
And they can kick down your doors and break out your windows, and they can walk through your house, and they can put anything they want in their pockets.
他们可以踢开你的门，打破你的窗户，他们可以走进你的房子，他们可以把他们想要的任何东西放进口袋里。
For what reason?
出于什么原因？
Because he grew some marijuana and smoked marijuana?
因为他种了一些大麻并吸食了大麻？
Did he force anybody else to smoke this marijuana?
他强迫其他人吸大麻吗？
No. He didn't, did he?
不，他没有，不是吗？
Was he shooting anybody over this marijuana?
他是否因为大麻而向任何人开枪？
No, he wasn't.
不，他不是。
He was teaching us kids how to build furniture and how to be real men.
他教我们这些孩子如何制作家具以及如何成为真正的男人。
And he had time to do all that because he smoked the marijuana and he had time to sit and think about what he had to do.
他有时间做这一切，因为他吸大麻，他有时间坐下来思考他必须做什么。
And so what happened to him was wrong.
所以发生在他身上的事情是错误的。
That's what happened to him, the wrong thing.
这就是发生在他身上的事情，这是错误的事情。
What he was doing was right.
他所做的事情是正确的。
Most of the family wouldn't maybe put it the way Cy does.
大多数家庭成员可能不会像赛一样这么说。
But they all claim some version of the separation he feels from the world at large.
但他们都声称他感受到了与整个世界的某种分离。
Molly and Lily say they feel older than everyone they meet.
莫莉和莉莉说，他们感觉自己比他们遇到的每个人都老。
Eileen says she sometimes feels she's on the outside looking in.
艾琳说，她有时觉得自己是在局外人往里看。
The trade-off is what they do have, a fierce, unyielding, unbreakable devotion to each other.
他们确实拥有这样的权衡：对彼此的强烈、不屈、牢不可破的忠诚。
No, I don't really know any songs.
不，我真的不知道任何歌曲。
I can only really make noise.
我真的只能发出声音。
[GUITAR MUSIC]
[吉他音乐]
When I visit, the Jarvises are living on the boat they first bought in Maryland, the one they rebuilt themselves, made beautiful.
当我访问时，贾维斯一家住在他们第一次在马里兰州买的船上，他们自己重建了这艘船，把它弄得很漂亮。
They all gather in the galley most nights to eat.
大多数晚上他们都聚集在厨房里吃饭。
A lot of times, Cy and Yancy will get out their guitars.
很多时候，Cy 和 Yancy 都会拿出吉他。
Asa plays the drums and the family sings.
阿萨打鼓，家人唱歌。
There they are in this self-contained world they've built themselves by hand, together.
他们在这个他们亲手共同建造的自给自足的世界里。
From the boat, you can see the shoreline of the United States of America.
从船上可以看到美国的海岸线。
Alex Blumberg.
亚历克斯·布隆伯格。
Coming up, two people try to nudge themselves out of limbo and closer to everyday American life.
接下来，两个人试图让自己摆脱困境，更接近美国的日常生活。
Guess just how many of them succeed.
猜猜他们中有多少人成功了。
Just guess.
猜猜吧。
In a minute, from Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose some theme, and bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，并为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, American Limbo, stories of people who have accidentally ended up outside the grid of normal American life.
今天的节目《美国地狱边境》讲述了那些意外地脱离了正常美国生活的人的故事。
We've arrived at Act Two of our program.
我们已经到了节目的第二幕了。
Act Two, What's French for "Steeee-rike Three?" This is the story of an American in Paris who chose to live in Paris, but decided at some point that he wanted to nudge his kid toward a little more American-ness.
第二幕，“Steee-rike Three”的法语怎么说？这是一个住在巴黎的美国人的故事，他选择住在巴黎，但在某个时候决定要让他的孩子变得更美国化。
But when one does this kind of thing, it's on instinct and it's a guess, and you cannot tell how it'll come out.
但做这种事情的时候，是凭本能，是猜测，你不知道结果如何。
Here is that dad to tell the story, Adam Gopnik.
讲述这个故事的爸爸是亚当·高普尼克。
I don't really remember how we first thought of the rookie.
我不太记得我们最初是如何想到新秀的。
I think it may have been right after I saw my son, Luke, who had just turned three, playing with a soccer ball in the Luxembourg Gardens.
我想这可能是在我看到我刚三岁的儿子卢克在卢森堡花园踢足球之后发生的。
It wasn't just the kicking that scared me, but the kind of nonchalant, bend-of-the-body European thing he did as he rose to meet the ball with his head.
让我害怕的不仅仅是踢球，还有他站起来用头接球时那种漫不经心的、弯曲身体的欧洲动作。
Next he would be wearing those terrible shorts and bouncing the ball from foot to foot, improving his skills.
接下来他会穿着那些糟糕的短裤，从一只脚跳到另一只脚，提高他的技术。
He had been born in New York, but he had no memory of it.
他出生在纽约，但他对此没有记忆。
Paris is the only home he knows.
巴黎是他唯一知道的家。
"You want to have a catch?" I said, and he looked at me blankly.
“你想抓到东西吗？”我说，他茫然地看着我。
That night at bedtime, I said, "Hey, I'll tell you about the rookie." It was 8 o'clock.
那天晚上睡觉前，我说：“嘿，我来告诉你关于新秀的事。”当时是八点钟。
The sun was still out, but the sounds had become less purposeful.
太阳还没有出来，但声音却变得不那么有目的了。
You could hear small noises, high heels on the pavement, and though this is a pleasant times to lie in bed in Paris, it is not an easy time for a small boy to go to sleep.
你可以听到人行道上的细微噪音、高跟鞋的声音，虽然现在在巴黎躺在床上是一个愉快的时光，但对于一个小男孩来说，这并不是一个容易入睡的时刻。
I had been drawing storytelling duty for awhile, and had made increasingly frantic efforts to find a hit, like a network programmer back home massaging the schedule.
我有一段时间一直在画讲故事的任务，并且越来越疯狂地努力寻找热门作品，就像一个网络程序员回到家里调整时间表一样。
A story about a little boy who turned into a golden fish in Venice hadn't gone anywhere, and a remake of The Hobbit had done no box office at all.
一个关于一个小男孩在威尼斯变成金鱼的故事没有取得任何进展，而翻拍的《霍比特人》也根本没有票房收入。
This story, though, rolled out easy.
不过，这个故事很容易展开。
The rookie, I said, was a small boy in Anywhere, USA, in the spring of 1908.
我说，这个新秀是 1908 年春天美国 Anywhere 的一个小男孩。
Out walking with his mom one day, he discovered that he had an uncanny gift for throwing stones at things.
有一天，他和妈妈一起出去散步，他发现自己有一种向东西扔石头的不可思议的天赋。
He picked one up and threw it so hard that it knocked a robin off its perch a mile away.
他捡起一个，用力扔去，结果把一英里外的一只知更鸟从栖息处撞了下来。
And then after his mama chided him, he threw another one, just as far, but so softly that it snuggled into the nest beside the bird without breaking an egg.
然后，在他妈妈斥责他之后，他又扔了一个，距离一样远，但很轻，它依偎在鸟旁边的巢里，没有打破一个鸡蛋。
His parents, a little sadly, but with a sense of obligation, immediately sent him off on the train to New York to try out for the New York Giants and their great manager, John J.
他的父母有点悲伤，但又充满责任感，立即送他乘火车前往纽约，为纽约巨人队和他们伟大的经理约翰·J·肯尼迪试训。
McGraw.
麦格劳.
All he took with him was a suitcase that his mother had packed for him, filled with things, including his bottle, that he thought might be useful in case of an emergency.
他随身携带的只是他母亲为他收拾的一个手提箱，里面装满了他认为在紧急情况下可能有用的东西，包括他的瓶子。
He got out at Grand Central, took a cab all the way uptown to the Polo Grounds-- his mother had told him to take taxis in New York-- and asked to see John J.
他在中央车站下了车，一路乘坐出租车前往住宅区的马球场——他的母亲告诉他在纽约要乘坐出租车——并要求见约翰·J·肯尼迪。
McGraw.
麦格劳.
McGraw, staccato and impatient, was at first skeptical, but he finally agreed to watch while the kid threw, because he was so polite and the letter from his parents was so insistent, and because, well, you never know.
麦格劳语气断断续续，不耐烦，一开始很怀疑，但他最终同意在孩子投掷时观看，因为他很有礼貌，而且他父母的信又如此坚持，而且因为，嗯，你永远不知道。
He called Big Six, the great Christy Mathewson, out of the dugout to watch, and Chief Meyers, the great American Indian catcher, to get behind the plate.
他叫来六巨头，伟大的克里斯蒂·马修森，从休息室观看，并叫酋长迈耶斯，伟大的美洲印第安人接球手，到本垒板后面。
The Chief came out, with a weary, crippled, long-suffering gait, and squatted.
酋长走了出来，迈着疲惫、残缺、痛苦的步态，蹲了下来。
I thought of the Chief as a creased veteran, though the real Chief was still in his 20s, and not yet even a Giant.
我认为酋长是一位满脸皱纹的老兵，尽管真正的酋长才二十多岁，甚至还不是巨人。
The little guy walked to the mound, tugged at his cap-- not a baseball cap, the cap of his knickers suit-- and let fly.
小家伙走到土丘上，拉了一下他的帽子——不是棒球帽，而是他的短裤套装的帽子——然后松开了。
Everybody was impressed, to put it mildly.
温和地说，每个人都印象深刻。
"Hey, Mr. McGraw," cried the Chief, "I ain't never seen speed like that.
“嘿，麦格劳先生，”酋长喊道，“我从来没有见过这么快的速度。
And then he got movement on it, too."
然后他也开始行动了。”
"Well," Matty said mildly, peering at the tiny, [?
“嗯，”马蒂看着那个小家伙，温和地说，[？
dowdy ?] figure on the mound.
邋遢？] 土丘上的身影。
"When you think about it, he's more or less got to have that upward movement on his fastball, don't he?" My ideas of credible 1908 ballplayer dialogue were heavily influenced by Ring Lardner.
“当你想到这一点时，他的快球或多或少必须有向上的运动，不是吗？”我对 1908 年棒球运动员对话的可信度的想法深受林·拉德纳 (Ring Lardner) 的影响。
McGraw shrugged, since tryouts were one thing and baseball was another.
麦格劳耸耸肩，因为选拔赛是一回事，棒球又是另一回事。
But in the end, he decided to give the kid a start that Sunday in a big benefit exhibition that the Giants were playing at the Polo Grounds against the Detroit Tigers.
但最终，他决定在周日巨人队在马球场对阵底特律老虎队的一场大型慈善表演赛中让这个孩子开始。
I stopped.
我停了下来。
Outside, we could hear the steady stop-and-start rhythmic passage of the sanitation workers.
外面，我们可以听到环卫工人有节奏地走走停停的脚步声。
Impossibly chic, in grass-green uniforms with a white stripe running down the side, the men of the [SPEAKING FRENCH] came down our street every night to collect the garbage.
[讲法语]的人每天晚上都会来到我们的街道上收集垃圾，他们穿着侧边有白色条纹的草绿色制服，别致得令人难以置信。
"Go on," Luke ordered, muffled but sharp from under his covers.
“继续，”卢克命令道，声音低沉但从被子里透出来很尖锐。
"Stop thinking."
“别再想了。”
In the benefit exhibition that Sunday, I went on at last, the big bathtub-shaped stadium with its strange supporting wide beams, was packed with fans come to see the three-year-old phenom.
周日的义卖活动中，我终于继续前行，那个浴缸形状的大体育场，有着奇特的宽梁支撑，挤满了前来观看这位三岁天才的球迷。
The rookie took the mound, throwing smoke.
新秀占领了土墩，吐出了烟雾。
And fans, it looked as though it might be a first, a perfect-perfect game.
球迷们，这看起来像是第一场、一场完美的比赛。
27 men up, 27 K's, until in the sixth, the rookie had to face the terrible Ty Cobb.
27人领先，27K，直到第六局，新秀不得不面对可怕的泰·科布。
Now, I realized I had a problem here, since Cobb should have been batting cleanup from the start.
现在，我意识到我在这里遇到了问题，因为科布应该从一开始就进行清理工作。
I explained that he'd been late suiting up, because he insisted on extorting extra payment from the Tigers management for playing in a charity exhibition, even though everybody else was playing for free.
我解释说他迟到了，因为他坚持向老虎队管理层勒索参加慈善表演赛的额外费用，尽管其他人都是免费的。
Cobb was just like that, I explained.
我解释道，科布就是这样的人。
Terrible.
糟糕的。
The crowd quieted as the confrontation neared.
随着对峙的临近，人群安静下来。
Cobb came to the plate, sneering and drawling.
科布来到盘子前，一边冷笑一边慢吞吞地说道。
"Hey, baby," he called out, taunting the rookie.
“嘿，宝贝，”他喊道，嘲笑新秀。
"Looks to me like you're nothing but a baby."
“在我看来，你只不过是个孩子而已。”
Luke's whole body stiffened.
卢克整个人都僵硬了。
If there was a worse insult, he hadn't heard it.
如果有更严重的侮辱，他也没有听到。
Jackie Robinson, in his first year with the Brooklyn Dodgers, had never been called a name so vile.
杰基·罗宾逊在布鲁克林道奇队的第一年，从来没有被人用过如此卑鄙的名字。
Shaken, the rookie lost a bit off his heater.
新秀浑身颤抖，身上的加热器失去了一点。
It was still blazing, though, and Cobb just got a piece of it, dribbling it towards first.
然而，它仍然在燃烧，科布刚刚拿到了它的一部分，把它运向了第一个。
He took off, and the rookie, who knew his assignments, dutifully scampered over to cover.
他起飞了，新秀知道自己的任务，尽职尽责地跑过去掩护。
Cobb came in hard, hard as he could, his spikes sharpened to razor tips, and stamped down on the rookie's three-year-old foot.
科布用尽全力地猛冲过来，他的鞋钉磨得像剃刀尖一样，踩在了新秀三岁的脚上。
Safe.
安全的。
Stinking, rotten way to get on base, but safe all the same.
进入基地的方式又臭又烂，但仍然安全。
Shaking off a couple of tears, the rookie went back to the mound.
甩掉几滴眼泪，新秀回到了投手丘。
"Hey, I reckon you're a crybaby.
“嘿嘿，我猜你是个爱哭鬼。
Hey, everybody, look at the crybaby.
嘿，大家看看这个爱哭鬼。
Looks to me like you're nothing but a crybaby," came the taunting Georgia drawl from first, and the rookie pitched out of trouble.
在我看来，你只不过是个爱哭鬼。”从一开始，佐治亚州就用慢吞吞的语调说道，新秀摆脱了困境。
But the pain lingered, and in the top of the ninth, the Giants having pushed over one run on a hit-and-run executed by the Chief, he made a few mistakes, walked a couple of batters-- hey, he was three-- and left himself with the bases loaded and the Georgia Peach due up again.
但痛苦依然挥之不去，在第九局上半，巨人队在酋长的打了就跑的情况下推开了一分，他犯了一些错误，保送了几个击球手——嘿，他才三岁——然后让自己在垒上垒，佐治亚桃子队再次上垒。
The crowd was going crazy and now the taunting began again, worse than ever.
人群变得疯狂，现在嘲讽又开始了，比以前更糟糕。
"Hey, baby.
“嘿，宝贝。
Hey, crybaby.
嘿，爱哭鬼。
Why don't you cry some more, crybaby?"
你为什么不再哭一会儿呢，爱哭鬼？”
The rookie knew what he had to do.
新秀知道他必须做什么。
In the dugout, he had taken his old bottle from the suitcase his mother had packed for him when he went off to join the Giants, just in case, and stowed it under his cap.
在防空洞里，为了以防万一，他从母亲为他准备的行李箱中拿出了旧瓶子，放在帽子下面。
Now he dripped a couple of drops of milk onto the seams of the baseball, the rookie's soon-to-be-notorious bottle-ball.
现在，他在棒球的接缝处滴了几滴牛奶，这位新秀的瓶球很快就变得臭名昭著。
It was before they brought in the rule against foreign substances on the ball, I explained.
我解释说，那是在他们引入针对球上异物的规则之前。
The rookie was playing fair.
新秀打得很公平。
"Hey, when are you guys going to go to sleep?" Luke's mother's voice came from the other room.
“喂，你们打算什么时候睡觉？”卢克母亲的声音从另一个房间里传来。
"Soon," I called back abruptly.
“快了。”我突然回道。
The lights of the traffic on the Boulevard Saint-Germain came in through the windows, but I didn't even draw the curtains.
圣日耳曼大道上的车灯透过窗户照进来，但我连窗帘都没有拉上。
The rookie stretched and threw, and the bottle-ball dipped and twisted and dipped and twisted again, curving all the way out to the third base line and then cruising halfway towards first before finally slipping in, softly and cleanly, right across the plate, a strike at the knees.
新秀伸了个懒腰，扔了出去，瓶球不断地倾斜、扭曲、倾斜、扭曲，一直弯曲到第三底线，然后向第一底线移动到一半，最后轻轻地、干净利落地滑入本垒，击中膝盖。
Ty Cobb had time to take a really good cut.
泰·科布有时间进行一次非常好的剪辑。
He had all day, but the pitch had him so fooled that he didn't just whip, he twisted himself in knots while he whipped, real knots.
他有一整天的时间，但球场让他上当了，他不只是鞭打，他在鞭打时把自己扭成一个结，真正的结。
His whole body pulled around like a wet washrag, hands ending up back of his butt.
他的整个身体像一块湿抹布一样旋转着，双手放在屁股后面。
Luke chuckled deeply at that.
卢克闻言，深深地笑了一声。
"Steeee-rike three," cried the umpire, and the bleachers of the Polo Grounds went nuts.
“像斯蒂埃一样的三分，”裁判喊道，马球场上的看台上一片疯狂。
The rookie trotted off the field.
新秀小跑着离开了球场。
"Who's the baby now, Mr. Cobb?" he asked with quiet dignity on his way back to the dugout.
“现在的孩子是谁，科布先生？”他在返回休息室的路上带着平静的尊严问道。
My kid sat up-- shot up-- in bed, like a mechanical doll, as if he had a spring hinge right at his waist.
我的孩子在床上坐起来——猛地站了起来，就像一个机械娃娃，好像他的腰部有一个弹簧铰链。
Christy Mathewson, I went on, didn't say anything.
我继续说，克里斯蒂·马修森什么也没说。
No, that wasn't his way.
不，那不是他的方式。
But he went over as the rookie came into the dugout, took off the rookie's cap, and mussed up his hair.
但当新秀走进休息室时，他走过去，摘下新秀的帽子，弄乱了他的头发。
Outside the crowd wouldn't leave.
外面的人群不肯离开。
They just chanted, "Rookie.
他们只是高呼：“新秀。
Rookie."
菜鸟。”
Now the only sound from Luke's pillow was of short, constant breathing.
现在，卢克枕头上唯一的声音就是短促而持续的呼吸声。
I had the uncanny knowledge of a kind of silent excitement, the certainty-- I had witnessed it once or twice on opening night at a theater, though I had certainly never created it before myself-- that what we had here was a hit.
我对一种无声的兴奋有一种不可思议的了解，我确信——我在剧院的首映之夜亲眼目睹过一两次，尽管我自己之前从未创造过——我们这里的演出很受欢迎。
The terrible Ty Cobb had called him a baby, and he had thrown the bottle-ball, and then who was the baby?
可怕的泰·科布称他为婴儿，而他则扔出了瓶球，那么婴儿又是谁呢？
That night, I went on, the rookie was offered a contract with the Giants, and the team got on the overnight sleeper to St. Louis, heading out to steamy Sportsman's Park.
那天晚上，我继续说，这位新秀得到了巨人队的一份合同，球队乘上过夜的卧铺车前往圣路易斯，前往热气腾腾的运动员公园。
The Chief tucked the rookie into his berth, and before he went off to play pinochle with the guys, asked him, roughly, "You OK, rookie?"
酋长把新秀塞进自己的床上，在他去和其他人一起玩皮纳克尔球之前，粗鲁地问他：“你还好吗，新秀？”
"I'm OK, Chief," the rookie said.
“我很好，酋长，”新秀说。
And then he listened to the sounds of the train tracks clacking and the whistle blowing and the other ballplayers in the next car, laughing and playing cards, before he fell deep asleep somewhere outside Columbus.
然后他听着火车轨道的嘎嘎声和汽笛声，以及下一辆车里其他棒球运动员的笑声和打牌声，然后他在哥伦布郊外的某个地方睡着了。
"I'm OK, Chief," Luke repeated.
“我很好，酋长，”卢克重复道。
And then he did something he had never done before, or at least not in my presence.
然后他做了一件他以前从未做过的事，或者至少没有在我面前做过。
Without negotiation or hesitation, without tears or arguments or requests to come and sleep in the big bed, he rolled right over and fell asleep.
没有讨价还价，没有犹豫，没有流泪，没有争吵，也没有要求上大床睡觉，他就翻身睡着了。
From then on, we had a story about the rookie every night.
从那时起，我们每天晚上都会有一个关于新秀的故事。
After a couple of months, I began to wonder, what picture did he summon up when, night after night, he heard the words "Polo Grounds," "full count," "all the way to the backstop?" Not an inexact picture.
几个月后，我开始想知道，当他夜复一夜地听到“马球场”、“满数”、“一直到后挡板”这些词时，他脑海中浮现出什么样的画面？这并不是一张不精确的图片。
No picture at all.
根本没有图片。
He had never been to a baseball game, never seen a bat or a glove, never been inside a ballpark or even watched a ballgame on television.
他从未看过棒球比赛，从未见过球棒或手套，从未进过球场，甚至从未在电视上看过球赛。
No one Luke knew played baseball.
卢克认识的人中没有人打过棒球。
No one talked about it.
没有人谈论这件事。
The words and situations were pure language, pure abstract lore.
这些文字和情景都是纯粹的语言，纯粹的抽象知识。
The cliches I rolled out-- "he had all day," "steamy Sportsman's Park," "no foreign substances on the old pill"-- what did he think, what did he see, when he heard them?
我抛出的那些陈词滥调——“他整天都在”、“热气腾腾的运动员公园”、“旧药丸上没有异物”——当他听到这些话时，他想到了什么，看到了什么？
I knew that he wanted to hear the words as much as I needed to say them.
我知道他想听这些话，就像我需要说这些话一样。
He zipped through dessert to get to bed every night, but what did the words mean to him?
每天晚上他都会快速吃完甜点就上床睡觉，但这句话对他来说意味着什么？
I had spent my adult life believing that storytelling depends on the credibility of its details.
我成年后一直相信讲故事取决于细节的可信度。
Now, finally, I had made up a story that someone liked, and the details had no credibility at all, no existence except as sounds.
现在，我终于编造了一个有人喜欢的故事，而细节根本没有可信度，除了声音之外不存在。
You are supposed to use a word, I had always been taught, to point at a thing, and hope that the thing will somehow end up pointing at something bigger-- a feeling, a state of mind.
我一直被教导，你应该用一个词来指出一件事，并希望这件事最终能以某种方式指向更大的东西——一种感觉，一种心态。
But now I said "Polo Grounds" or "full count" and the words called up in my son a powerful reaction.
但现在我说“马球场”或“全部”，这些词引起了我儿子的强烈反应。
But what of that second range, where the words were supposed to become things, even just images in his head?
但是第二个范围又如何呢？在那里，文字应该成为事物，甚至只是他头脑中的图像？
There is, I think, a force in stories, words in motion, that either drives them forward past things directly into feelings, or doesn't.
我认为，故事和运动中的文字有一种力量，要么驱使他们将过去的事情直接带入情感，要么不驱使他们。
And the trouble is, you don't know which way they're going until you've already taken your swing.
问题是，除非你已经挥杆，否则你不知道他们会朝哪个方向走。
Sometimes the words fly right over the fence and all the way out to the feelings.
有时，言语会越过栅栏，一路直达感情。
Make them do it one time out of three in private, and you've got a reputation as someone who can play a little, a dad who can tell a decent bedtime story.
让他们私下里做一次三分之二，你就会得到一个会玩一点的人、一个能讲一个像样的睡前故事的爸爸的声誉。
Do it three times out of five in public, and you're Mark McGwire or Dickens.
在公共场合五次这样做三次，你就是马克·麦奎尔或狄更斯。
After about a year of telling the rookie story, I went to New York to give a talk and I turned the trip into a literary mission, a sort of rookie-collecting expedition.
在讲述了大约一年的新秀故事后，我去纽约做了一次演讲，我把这次旅行变成了一次文学使命，一种新秀收集探险。
I wanted to bring home tangible evidence of something that, as a matter of fact, had never taken place there.
我想把一些事实上从未在那里发生过的事情的切实证据带回家。
I bought a baseball encyclopedia and a box of books on the Cobb era, and borrowed a Ken Burns video on baseball.
我买了一本棒球百科全书和一盒科布时代的书，还借了肯·伯恩斯的棒球视频。
A vintage Giants cap, child-size, which I thought would be the hardest thing to find, turned out to be absurdly easy.
一顶儿童尺寸的老式巨人队帽子，我原以为是最难找到的东西，结果却非常容易找到。
The past is so neatly packaged now that I just walked into a memorabilia store on Lexington Avenue and found a replica cap, no problem.
过去的一切现在都被包装得如此整齐，以至于我走进列克星敦大道上的一家纪念品商店，发现了一顶复制品帽子，没问题。
When I got home to Paris, I put on the video from the PBS baseball series, which I had never seen.
当我回到巴黎的家中时，我播放了 PBS 棒球系列赛的视频，这是我从未看过的。
And we watched all those flickering, over-frantic little ghost figures racing around.
我们看着所有那些闪烁的、过度疯狂的小幽灵在周围奔跑。
There was Ty Cobb, looking appropriately evil.
泰·科布在那儿，看上去很邪恶。
There was John J.
有约翰·J.
McGraw.
麦格劳.
There were pitching and batting-- I realized from Luke's comments that he had them the wrong way around.
有投球和击球——我从卢克的评论中意识到他的做法是错误的。
There was base-running.
有跑垒。
There was Christy Mathewson, and then a picture of Matty, handsome and as short as ever, slowly dissolving into a picture of a small, serious boy with blond bangs, wearing a baseball cap and a perfectly sober expression, going into a pitching windup.
先是克里斯蒂·马修森，然后是马蒂的照片，他英俊潇洒，身材矮小，慢慢地变成了一个小而严肃的男孩，留着金色刘海，戴着棒球帽，表情非常清醒，正在投球。
I still have no idea who he actually was.
我仍然不知道他到底是谁。
It's not Christy Mathewson's kid.
这不是克里斯蒂·马修森的孩子。
I found a picture of him and he had darker hair.
我找到了他的照片，他的头发颜色更深。
But of course Luke knew who it was perfectly well.
但卢克当然非常清楚那人是谁。
"There he is," he said.
“他在那儿，”他说。
"Rewind it." We watched Matty and the rookie appear again, and then he told me to turn it off.
“倒带。”我们看着马蒂和新秀再次出现，然后他让我把它关掉。
He was uncharacteristically silent for the rest of the afternoon, but before dinner I heard him talking to his mother in the bath.
整个下午他一反常态地保持沉默，但晚饭前我听到他在浴室里和他母亲说话。
"He had his hands up like this," he was saying chattily.
“他像这样举起双手，”他闲聊地说。
"I don't know why."
“我不知道为什么。”
That was enough excitement, enough reality, for one day, I thought.
我想，这一天已经够兴奋了，够现实了。
And it wasn't until a week later that I tried out on him a picture of the Chief, an honest-to-god picture of Chief Meyers, looking just as he ought to look.
直到一周后，我才给他试了一张酋长的照片，一张诚实的迈耶斯酋长的照片，看起来就像他应该有的样子。
"Hey, look.
“嘿，你看。
That's the Chief," I announced proudly, opening the old baseball encyclopedia at his bedside.
那是酋长，”我自豪地宣布，打开了他床边的旧棒球百科全书。
He paused, looked at the picture, looked back at me, peering in for a moment.
他停了下来，看着照片，回头看着我，凝视了一会儿。
And then he got a funny guilty smile on his face that I had never seen there before.
然后他脸上露出了我以前从未见过的滑稽的内疚微笑。
"Oh," he said, peering intently at the picture.
“哦，”他说，专心地看着照片。
"I thought it was his mother."
“我以为是他妈妈。”
"What do you mean?" I said, surprised.
“你是什么意思？”我惊讶地说。
"I mean I knew it was, but I thought it was.
“我的意思是我知道是这样，但我也这么认为。
I mean, I knew it was a man, but I thought he was the mother," he concluded, stumbling a little.
我的意思是，我知道这是一个男人，但我以为他是母亲，”他结结巴巴地说。
"I thought it was his mother."
“我以为是他妈妈。”
He actually blushed, and I could sense that there was something at once so deep and so important going on in what he was trying to tell me that he feared at some other level it would seem silly.
他实际上脸红了，我能感觉到他试图告诉我的事情中同时发生了一些如此深刻和重要的事情，他担心在其他层面上这会显得很愚蠢。
In his mind's ear, he could hear Ty Cobb calling, "Baby."
在他的脑海里，他能听到泰·科布在呼唤：“宝贝。”
"But remember?" I said.
“但是还记得吗？”我说。
"His mother packed the suitcase for him.
“他的母亲为他收拾了行李箱。
He had the mama's suitcase."
他拿着妈妈的手提箱。”
"I know.
“我知道。
I know that," he said quietly, stubbornly.
我知道，”他平静而固执地说道。
"I can't-- I just thought--" He held his hand up to his head and he tried to smile.
“我不能——我只是想——”他把手举到头上，试图微笑。
"I-- I thought it was a girl.
“我——我以为那是个女孩。
I thought it was his mama."
我以为是他妈妈。”
I got it then.
我当时就明白了。
He knew that the word, the Chief, stood for some kind of older man, but whether he could have summoned up this kind of older man, a bearded, grizzled 40-ish American Indian catcher with boozy breath, I'm not sure.
他知道酋长这个词代表某种年长的男人，但我不确定他是否能召唤出这种年长的男人，一个留着胡须、头发花白、40岁左右、呼吸着酒气的美国印第安捕手。
But the symbolic place that he occupied was so deeply maternal that it was-- well, he was his mother.
但他所占据的象征地位是如此深厚的母性，以至于——好吧，他是他的母亲。
What had been lulling him sleep, night after night, I realized, was not the all-purpose fit.
我意识到，夜复一夜让他入睡的并不是万能的。
These words pointed directly to the symbol, and it was the obvious one, but it wasn't my symbol.
这些话直接指向了符号，而且是显而易见的符号，但它不是我的符号。
The trouble with mental catch is that the ball you throw changes in midair into another.
心理接球的麻烦在于，你扔出的球在半空中会变成另一个球。
Staring down into the Polo Grounds, what he had seen was what he needed to see, and that was the same face he saw at every window.
低头凝视着马球场，他所看到的正是他需要看到的，那是他在每个窗户上看到的同一张脸。
His mama had been there at his bedside all along, and I had been too slow a reader of my own fiction to spot her lurking.
他的妈妈一直在他的床边，而我读自己的小说太慢了，没有发现她的潜伏。
The rookie story goes on, but over time, at Luke's urging, it became more and more detached from baseball.
新秀的故事还在继续，但随着时间的推移，在卢克的敦促下，它变得越来越脱离棒球。
The rookie entered a gothic phase as the little boy began to demand scary rookie stories, with a real witch-- not Ty Cobb dressed up like a witch, not the Chief dressed up like a witch, a real witch.
新秀进入了哥特式阶段，小男孩开始要求可怕的新秀故事，有一个真正的女巫——不是泰科布打扮得像女巫，酋长也不是打扮得像女巫，而是一个真正的女巫。
Over time, inside the rookie's suitcase, the one his mama packed the day he left for New York, the rookie has come to find a complete dictionary of the animal languages, a saxophone, a design for the first car radio, compressed early rocket ship refueling pills, a map of Paris, a window defogger, a time machine, a map of a secret route to the South Pole, and reindeer medicine for Santa's team.
随着时间的推移，在他去纽约那天他妈妈收拾的手提箱里，新秀找到了一本完整的动物语言词典、一把萨克斯管、第一台汽车收音机的设计、压缩的早期火箭飞船加油丸、一张巴黎地图、一个窗户除雾器、一台时间机器、一张通往南极的秘密路线地图，以及圣诞老人团队的驯鹿药物。
The story belongs to Luke now.
这个故事现在属于卢克了。
I don't think about the rookie as much as I used to, but when the bombs began to fall in Serbia I began thinking about that other Serbian conflagration in 1914, and everything it had led to.
我不像以前那样想念这位新秀，但当炸弹开始落在塞尔维亚时，我开始思考 1914 年塞尔维亚的另一场大火，以及它所导致的一切。
And I realized with a start that by making the rookie three years old in 1908, I was leaving him unprotected to the century's horrors.
我一开始就意识到，在 1908 年让这个新秀只有三岁，我就让他在本世纪的恐怖中无法受到保护。
Then I did a quick calculation and realized that he would have been far too young for the first World War and just too old for the second.
然后我快速计算了一下，意识到他对于第一次世界大战来说太年轻了，对于第二次世界大战来说又太老了。
The rookie was lucky that way, I think.
我认为新秀在这方面很幸运。
Luke and I tried playing a little catch this spring in the Luxembourg Gardens, but gave up after about five minutes.
今年春天，卢克和我尝试在卢森堡花园玩一点接球游戏，但大约五分钟后就放弃了。
For a present around that time, he asked us to make him his own [SPEAKING FRENCH] marked with a [SPEAKING FRENCH] a press pass from the government like the one I have, so that he could pretend to cut through red tape.
当时，他要求我们为他制作一份礼物，他自己的[说法语]，上面标有[说法语]政府的记者通行证，就像我拥有的那样，这样他就可以假装跳过繁文缛节。
We made him an impressive-looking fake French government document, with a black and white photo and lots of cryptic official-looking stamps.
我们为他制作了一份看起来令人印象深刻的假法国政府文件，上面有一张黑白照片和许多神秘的官方邮票。
At bedtime now, before the rookie story starts, he likes to act out a French bureaucratic drama.
现在在睡觉时间，在新秀故事开始之前，他喜欢表演一部法国官僚戏剧。
I play a functionary guarding an entrance to something or other, who scowls at him until he haughtily flashes his carte.
我扮演一名守卫某物入口的官员，他对他怒目而视，直到他傲慢地亮出他的菜单。
And then I let him pass with many apologetic, "Ah, Monsieur.
然后我带着很多歉意让他过去了，“啊，先生。
I did not recognize--" grimaces and shrugs, while his mother acts out the role of irate bystander, fuming in line as the privileged functionary serenely passes by.
我没认出——”他做了个鬼脸，耸了耸肩，而他的母亲则扮演着愤怒的旁观者的角色，当这位特权官员平静地经过时，她在队伍中怒气冲冲。
I suppose it's about time we took him home.
我想我们是时候带他回家了
Adam Gopnik's story "The Rookie" can be found in his book Paris to the Moon.
亚当·戈普尼克的故事“菜鸟”可以在他的书《巴黎到月球》中找到。
He's a writer for The New Yorker magazine.
他是《纽约客》杂志的撰稿人。
[MUSIC - "AT HOME HE'S A TOURIST" BY GANG OF FOUR]
[音乐 - 四人帮的《在家他是个游客》]
Act Three, It's Julie Andrews's World, Sylvia Just Lives in It.
第三幕，这是朱莉·安德鲁斯的世界，西尔维娅就生活在其中。
A few years ago, on her 18th birthday, Sylvia Lemus came onto our program and talked about her life.
几年前，在她 18 岁生日那天，西尔维娅·莱姆斯 (Sylvia Lemus) 参加了我们的节目并谈论了她的生活。
Her parents are immigrants, very traditional, from Mexico, and they wanted her to get married right away, have babies.
她的父母是来自墨西哥的移民，非常传统，他们希望她立即结婚，生孩子。
But Sylvia grew up in this country and she thought like an American girl.
但西尔维娅在这个国家长大，她像美国女孩一样思考。
She wanted to go to college, get an interesting job, all that before she started a family.
她想上大学，找到一份有趣的工作，这一切都是在她组建家庭之前实现的。
Here's what she said at the time.
这是她当时说的话。
My mom has lived in a box all her life.
我妈妈一生都住在一个盒子里。
And I sometimes-- once in a while I'll escape from the box.
我有时——偶尔我会从盒子里逃出来。
And sometimes I'll just try to climb out, and she's pushing me in.
有时我想爬出去，她却把我推了进去。
Or I'm trying to poke a hole in the box and she tapes it right back up.
或者我试图在盒子上戳一个洞，她又用胶带把它粘回去。
Sometimes we get into fights, and I tell my mom, I'm not like my cousins.
有时我们会打架，我告诉妈妈，我不像我的表兄弟姐妹。
I'm not.
我不是。
My cousins are 19, 18, and they're already pregnant or married.
我的表兄弟姐妹分别 19 岁和 18 岁，他们已经怀孕或结婚了。
I'm like, is that what you want me to do with my life?
我想，这就是你想要我做的事吗？
At that time, Sylvia had a perfectly clear picture of what she wanted her life to be.
那时，西尔维娅非常清楚自己想要的生活是什么。
She'd work in a big open office, with lots of computers and gadgets, doing computer animation on films like Jurassic Park and Men in Black .
她在一个宽敞的开放式办公室里工作，里面有很多电脑和小玩意儿，为《侏罗纪公园》和《黑衣人》等电影制作电脑动画。
You know, sitting in front of the computer and doing all these things on the computer, and animating and getting really frustrated because it takes me like six months to do a five-second little scene.
你知道，坐在电脑前，在电脑上做所有这些事情，制作动画并感到非常沮丧，因为我花了六个月的时间才完成一个五秒钟的小场景。
And I'd have an eyebrow ring or something on, have my hair whatever color I want.
我会戴上眉环之类的东西，头发的颜色可以是我想要的颜色。
After that interview, Sylvia started hanging around our office, became an intern on our show.
在那次采访之后，西尔维娅开始在我们的办公室里闲逛，成为我们节目的实习生。
And then she went away to college, to a school that she chose because they teach computer animation, the Rochester Institute of Technology in New York.
然后她去了纽约的罗切斯特理工学院上大学，她选择的学校是因为教授计算机动画。
She took one of our tape recorders with her and recorded now and then, tape diaries about her experience in college and moments with her friends.
她随身带着我们的一台录音机，时不时地用录音机记录她在大学的经历以及与朋友们在一起的时光。
We've pulled some clips from the tape, and I talked to her about it all.
我们从录像带上取下了一些片段，我和她谈了这一切。
So Shari invited us to a crew party, and there was this guy named Zack who showed us to the boat house.
所以莎丽邀请我们去参加一个船员聚会，有个叫扎克的人带我们去了船库。
And, oh my god, to a city girl, this was amazing.
天啊，对于一个城市女孩来说，这真是太棒了。
The boat house had no lighting whatsoever, and above that you see stars.
船屋没有任何灯光，上面只能看到星星。
Not city stars, like one or two-- stars.
不是城市明星，而是一两颗星。
A lot of stars.
很多明星。
And I looked up and I was amazed, and the first thing I said-- "Oh, my god, look, there's a box." Apparently it's the Big Dipper or the Little Dipper.
我抬起头，感到很惊讶，我说的第一句话是——“哦，天哪，看，有一个盒子。”显然是北斗七星或小北斗星。
I'm not quite sure exactly what it was.
我不太确定那到底是什么。
And they were kind of laughing at me, because I'm like, "Oh, my god, there's a box.
他们有点嘲笑我，因为我说，“哦，天哪，有一个盒子。
A box was shaped there."
那里形成了一个盒子。”
Can I also get a strawberry smoothie with whipped cream?
我还可以买一杯加鲜奶油的草莓冰沙吗？
Thank you.
谢谢。
Biscotti.
脆饼。
Sylvia Lemus What exactly is it?
西尔维娅·莱姆斯到底是什么？
You know how uncultured I am.
你知道我是多么没文化。
I know you from Chicago, so-- Sylvia Lemus I'm just telling you that not everything here is universal.
我认识你，来自芝加哥，所以——西尔维娅·莱穆斯（Sylvia Lemus），我只是告诉你，这里并不是所有的东西都是通用的。
Biscotti is just a crunchy biscuit-type thing.
Biscotti 只是一种松脆的饼干类型的东西。
Those have chocolate.
那些有巧克力。
Some of them have almonds.
其中一些有杏仁。
Some of them are chocolate all together.
其中一些是巧克力。
Don't you remember I brought them in with my Fruit Roll-Ups?
你不记得我把它们和水果卷一起带进来了吗？
Yeah, but I didn't taste any.
是的，但我没尝到任何味道。
[INTERPOSING VOICES] I didn't taste them.
[插话]我没有尝过它们的味道。
I know, but you asked me what it is like if you didn't know.
我知道，但你问我如果你不知道会怎样。
Sylvia, do you feel like your friends at school understand you?
西尔维娅，你觉得你学校里的朋友理解你吗？
A lot of times, no. I don't think they do.
很多时候，没有。我不认为他们这样做。
Like, I've never seen The Sound of Music.
比如说，我从来没有看过《音乐之声》。
Is that what it's called?
是这样叫的吗？
Or something and a chocolate factory?
或者什么和巧克力工厂？
I've never seen any of that stuff.
我从来没有见过那些东西。
Yeah.
是的。
I've never seen any of that stuff.
我从来没有见过那些东西。
And I'm just used to going to an all-ghetto school where everybody speaks Spanglish and a lot of music is blaring outside our window 24/7.
我已经习惯了去一所全是贫民窟的学校，那里每个人都说西班牙英语，窗外24/7 都响起很多音乐。
And they're like, "Oh, my gosh, she's so different.
他们就像，“哦，天哪，她太不同了。
She's not like what we grew up with."
她不像我们从小一起长大的人。”
Where's your sister?
你姐姐在哪儿？
Sylvia Lemus My sister's that little one with the [UNINTELLIGIBLE] New Kids on the Block shirt.
Sylvia Lemus 我姐姐就是那个穿着[无法辨认] New Kids on the Block 衬衫的小家伙。
That's when she was six.
那是她六岁的时候。
Now she's 13.
现在她13岁了。
Oh, I want to see her.
哦，我想见她。
Sylvia Lemus Why?
西尔维娅·莱姆斯 为什么？
That's her right there.
那就是她。
And that's my brother and that's me.
那是我的兄弟，那是我。
These are my grandparents in Mexico.
这是我在墨西哥的祖父母。
Oh, wow.
哦，哇。
They look so original.
它们看起来很原始。
That looks so cool.
看起来很酷。
They look original?
他们看起来很原始吗？
What do you mean, original?
原创，什么意思？
I don't know.
我不知道。
They look cool.
他们看起来很酷。
I like their outfits and everything, very traditional.
我喜欢他们的服装和一切，非常传统。
Yeah, that's what I'm looking for.
是的，这就是我正在寻找的。
Traditional, not original.
传统的，不是原创的。
Have there been classes that you've really loved?
有没有你真正喜欢的课程？
I liked my visual anthropology class, because for the first time in a really long time, I felt like I can do what everybody else did, study the night before and get the exact same grade.
我喜欢我的视觉人类学课，因为很长一段时间以来，我第一次觉得我可以做其他人所做的事情，前一天晚上学习并获得完全相同的成绩。
That was the only class where I felt like I didn't have to try as hard and get less grades.
这是唯一一堂我觉得自己不必那么努力却成绩较低的课程。
I tried exactly the same as they did and I got the exact same grade.
我尝试了与他们完全相同的方法，并且得到了完全相同的成绩。
I loved that class.
我喜欢那堂课。
You're saying you loved it because it was kind of easy.
你说你喜欢它，因为它很简单。
Yeah.
是的。
And I loved it because we had to do an ethnographic film, and we decided to shoot drag queens.
我喜欢它，因为我们必须拍一部民族志电影，我们决定拍摄变装皇后。
And it was the best thing ever.
这是有史以来最好的事情。
I went out all the time.
我一直出去。
Like the last two weeks, we went out all the time to shoot at the Miss Gay Rochester pageant.
就像过去两周一样，我们一直出去拍摄罗切斯特同性恋小姐选美比赛。
And we shot them at their clubs and them dressing, and I came home drunk all the time.
我们在他们的俱乐部里向他们开枪，然后他们更衣，而我总是醉醺醺地回家。
It was the funnest thing ever.
这是有史以来最有趣的事情。
I think that's why I like the class so much, because I always got drunk at the end.
我想这就是我如此喜欢这门课的原因，因为最后我总是喝醉了。
How hard were your actual classes for you?
您的实际课程对您来说有多难？
They were hard.
他们很难。
It just seemed like no matter how hard I tried, I was never able to compete with them.
似乎无论我多么努力，我都无法与他们竞争。
I think a lot of it has to do with-- it's obvious that they went to better schools than I did.
我认为这很大程度上与——很明显他们去了比我更好的学校。
And I went to-- I don't even bother telling them that I WOMAN: was one of the top kids in my class.
我什至懒得告诉他们我是班上最优秀的孩子之一。
What are they going to say?
他们会说什么？
"You were?
“你是吗？
What the hell happened?"
到底发生了什么事？”
Here's a recording that you made right after you got back to school after going home to Chicago for Christmas break.
这是您回到芝加哥家过圣诞假期后回到学校后立即录制的录音。
January 2, I went to my cousin's baby shower.
1月2日，我去参加我表弟的婴儿送礼会。
Everybody was there when we got there, so I had to go around the whole entire place, you know, greeting everybody.
当我们到达那里时，每个人都在那里，所以我必须走遍整个地方，你知道，向每个人打招呼。
The handshake, the kiss, the hug, the kiss, the handshake.
握手，亲吻，拥抱，亲吻，握手。
Blah blah blah.
巴拉巴拉巴拉。
It took me 15 minutes to greet everybody, because there was at least 50 or 60 women.
我花了 15 分钟才跟大家打招呼，因为至少有 50 或 60 名女性。
So I sat down with all my aunts and cousins, and everybody at that table was married with kids.
所以我和我所有的阿姨和表兄弟姐妹坐下来，那张桌子上的每个人都已婚并有孩子。
I was only one without a child or a husband.
我是唯一一个没有孩子或丈夫的人。
And so we just like-- it was kind of bad.
所以我们只是喜欢——这有点糟糕。
I mean I just noticed, nobody was in college, nobody was going for a profession.
我的意思是我刚刚注意到，没有人上大学，没有人去寻找职业。
I don't know what to do with them.
我不知道该怎么处理他们。
I really don't.
我真的不知道。
And I hate that.
我讨厌那样。
At Rochester I spend most of my time wanting to be Mexican and wanting to hang out with Hispanic people, and then when I go to my family, I can't.
在罗切斯特，我大部分时间都想成为墨西哥人，想和西班牙人一起出去玩，但当我回到家人身边时，我却做不到。
It's like I spend half of my time defending where I'm from and where I was raised and why I was raised where I was.
就好像我花了一半的时间来捍卫我来自哪里、我在哪里长大以及为什么我在哪里长大。
And then I'm stuck here and I'm basically defending something I don't even feel I'm part of.
然后我就被困在这里，我基本上是在捍卫一些我什至不觉得自己属于其中的东西。
Hey, Sylvia, one of the things that happened during your first year when you were away at school is that at some point, you came back home and you went to the baptism of a baby, who was the baby of a cousin of yours.
嘿，西尔维娅，你第一年离开学校时发生的一件事是，在某个时候，你回到家，参加了一个婴儿的洗礼，他是你表弟的婴儿。
Wait, hold on, I'm trying to remember which baptism.
等等，等等，我正在努力记住是哪一次洗礼。
You have a cousin whose husband's in construction and she works and they have a three-room house.
你有一个表弟，她的丈夫在建筑业，她在工作，他们有一套三居室的房子。
Oh yeah, Cristina.
哦，是的，克里斯蒂娜。
OK, so I go to her house.
好吧，那我就去她家吧。
She's 19 and she has a house.
她19岁了，有房子了。
I go to her house, and she lives in a very nice neighborhood not that far away from mine.
我去她家，她住在离我不远的一个非常好的社区。
And she works for a bank and she makes pretty good money and she only has a high-school degree.
她在一家银行工作，收入相当可观，但她只有高中学历。
She got married two weeks shy of her 17th birthday.
距离 17 岁生日还有两周，她就结婚了。
She had her kid when she was 19.
她19岁时就生下了孩子。
And so she's having her daughter's baptism, and she has this beautiful house, this three-bedroom, attic and basement, house.
所以她正在接受女儿的洗礼，她拥有这座漂亮的房子，这栋三居室、阁楼和地下室的房子。
And it's well-decorated.
而且装修得很好。
And I think-- I'm like, "Hello, this is exactly the things that they tell you not to do, because this is not going to happen.
我想——我想，“你好，这正是他们告诉你不要做的事情，因为这不会发生。
If you get married, you're not going to have a house because out of a high-school degree, you don't really make that much money." But I'm like, why are they able to buy a house?
如果你结婚了，你就不会拥有房子，因为只有高中学历，你就赚不到那么多钱。”但我想，为什么他们能买房子呢？
And all I keep thinking is, oh, my god, I live in Rochester.
我一直在想，哦，天哪，我住在罗切斯特。
I'm going to be living in an apartment the size of a closet with a roommate.
我将和室友一起住在一个壁橱大小的公寓里。
It was like a backslap.
就像是一巴掌。
I was already having problems with school, and then I come here and it's like, "Oh, look, we lied."
我在学校已经遇到了问题，然后我来到这里，就像是，“哦，看，我们撒谎了。”
Did you feel like all of us who have ever told you that it would be a good idea to go away to college and get a degree--
你是否像我们所有人一样曾经告诉过你，去大学并获得学位是个好主意——
No, I'm just joking.
不，我只是开玩笑。
But sometimes I'm like, I think they lied to me.
但有时我想，我认为他们对我撒了谎。
I think they did.
我想他们做到了。
But I know the feelings I'm having right now are just because I'm having problems.
但我知道我现在的感受只是因为我遇到了问题。
But at this point I don't see the happiness I saw when I was in high school.
但此时的我已经看不到高中时看到的幸福了。
Remember when I told you, I pictured to have this huge office with toys and computers and stuff like that?
还记得我告诉过你的，我想象拥有一间巨大的办公室，里面有玩具、电脑之类的东西吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Sylvia Lemus I don't see that anymore.
Sylvia Lemus 我再也看不到这一点了。
Right now, it seems like it's a scam, that I was fooled into something, that I was naive enough to think that that dream could actually happen, you know?
现在看来，这就像一个骗局，我被骗了，我天真地认为那个梦想真的会发生，你知道吗？
Sylvia, do you think that if you quit the life that you're having right now and tried to move back to the neighborhood where you grew up, and meet somebody and have babies and have a house, do you think you could even do that?
西尔维娅，你认为如果你放弃现在的生活，尝试搬回你长大的社区，认识某人，生孩子，买房子，你认为你能做到吗？
I'd be miserable.
我会很痛苦。
Ira Glass You'd be miserable.
艾拉·格拉斯：你会很痛苦。
Because that's not the life I want.
因为那不是我想要的生活。
That's not the life I want, but this life isn't being very accepting to me.
这不是我想要的生活，但这样的生活对我来说不太能接受。
So you're kind of stuck.
所以你有点被困住了。
Sylvia Lemus Yeah.
西尔维娅·莱姆斯 是的。
I am, aren't I?
我是，不是吗？
I am stuck.
我被困住了。
Well, time passed again, and two years after that interview was recorded, Sylvia graduated from the limbo that was RIT in 2003.
时间又过去了，在那次采访录制两年后，Sylvia 于 2003 年从 RIT 的困境中毕业。
And since then, she's been living in a different kind of limbo in Los Angeles, working various jobs, trying to break into film production.
从那时起，她在洛杉矶一直生活在一种不同的困境中，从事各种工作，试图闯入电影制作领域。
She still sees very similar pros and cons to the choices that she's made.
她仍然看到与她所做的选择非常相似的利弊。
Right now, she works for a multimedia company in Hollywood.
目前，她在好莱坞的一家多媒体公司工作。
Well, our program was produced today by Blue Chevigny and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Jonathan Goldstein, and Starlee Kine.
好吧，我们今天的节目是由 Blue Chevigny 和我本人以及 Alex Blumberg、Jonathan Goldstein 和 Starlee Kine 制作的。
Our senior producer, Julie Snyder.
我们的高级制片人朱莉·斯奈德。
Production help from Annie Baxter and Todd Bachmann.
安妮·巴克斯特和托德·巴赫曼为制作提供帮助。
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[致谢]《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
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[资金来源] 我们的网站 www.thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中全天 24 小时免费收听我们的节目。
You know, you can download today's program at our archives at audible.com/thisamericanlife.
您知道，您可以在我们的档案库 audible.com/thisamericanlife 下载今天的节目。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by Mr. Torey Malatia.
Torey Malatia 先生对 WBEZ 项目进行管理监督。
You know, every time he sees me in the hall, he taunts me.
你知道，每次他在大厅里看到我，他都会嘲笑我。
He taunts me this way.
他这样嘲笑我。
Hey, everybody, look at the crybaby.
嘿，大家看看这个爱哭鬼。
Hey, baby.
嘿，宝贝。
Hey, crybaby.
嘿，爱哭鬼。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life .
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。