175: Babysitting - This American Life
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Prologue Mother All right, guys.
序言 妈妈 好吧，伙计们。
We're here.
我们到了。
Don't forget your stuff, OK?
别忘了你的东西，好吗？
And Dylan, grab your snow pants.
迪伦，拿起你的雪裤。
OK.
好的。
Ira Glass Here's a ritual that happens in millions of American families every day, parents dropping off kids at the babysitter's.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 这是数百万美国家庭每天都会发生的一种仪式，父母把孩子送到保姆那里。
Hi, sweetie.
嗨，亲爱的。
I haven't seen you guys in such a long time.
我已经很久没见到你们了。
Sarah, age 9, and Dylan, who's 6, are being left at a friend's house where there are two other kids, Elliott and Emma, and their regular babysitter, Cristiana, who meets them at the door, who hasn't seen them since before Christmas.
9 岁的莎拉和 6 岁的迪伦被留在朋友家，那里还有另外两个孩子，艾略特和艾玛，以及他们的固定保姆克里斯蒂安娜，她在门口迎接他们，但自从圣诞节前就没有见过他们了。
These kids have known Cristiana longer than they've known almost anyone.
这些孩子认识克里斯蒂安娜的时间比他们认识任何人的时间都要长。
Four years she's been their sitter, an eternity.
四年来，她一直是他们的保姆。
Cristiana takes care of them after school every day.
克里斯蒂安娜每天放学后都会照顾他们。
Cristiana knows everything about them.
克里斯蒂安娜了解他们的一切。
And their such old pros at being left with the sitter, they don't think twice about it.
而他们这些老专业人士在被留下来照顾保姆时，他们不会三思而后行。
Mom leaves, no tears, no scenes.
妈妈离开了，没有眼泪，没有场景。
All right, bye.
好吧，再见。
I love you.
我爱你。
I love you, be good.
我爱你，你要善良。
Cristiana serves cereal to the four kids.
克里斯蒂安娜为四个孩子提供麦片。
Emma gets the Powerpuff Girl bowl.
艾玛得到飞天小女警碗。
Sarah gets the Barbie bowl.
莎拉得到了芭比碗。
And Dylan and Sarah fill me in on the differences between Cristiana and their other main babysitter, a college student named Natalia.
迪伦和莎拉向我介绍了克里斯蒂安娜和他们的另一位主要保姆——一位名叫娜塔莉亚的大学生之间的差异。
She's not as cool as Cristiana and everything.
她并不像克里斯蒂安娜那样酷。
Like if you want to get away with something, who is it easier to get away with, Cristiana or Natalia?
就像如果你想逃脱某件事，克里斯蒂安娜和娜塔莉亚谁更容易逃脱？
Natalia.
娜塔莉亚.
Male Child She doesn't really know the rules of our house.
男童 她不太了解我们家的规矩。
So then, I say we can drink coke, and then--
那么，我说我们可以喝可乐，然后——
You say you can wear your clothes to bed all the time.
你说你可以一直穿着你的衣服睡觉。
Mom lets me wear my clothes to bed, for like half a year that you would do that at the babysitter's.
妈妈让我穿着衣服睡觉，大约半年以来，你都会在保姆那里这样做。
And why do you want to go to bed in your clothes?
为什么你想穿着衣服睡觉？
He doesn't like changing.
他不喜欢改变。
He thinks it wastes too much time.
他认为这浪费了太多时间。
With Cristiana, it's different.
对于克里斯蒂安娜来说，情况有所不同。
She's like a second mom.
她就像第二个妈妈。
That's what she thinks.
她就是这么想的。
Cristiana I think of you guys as my kids.
克里斯蒂安娜，我把你们当作我的孩子。
Yeah.
是的。
Cristiana I know them, I've known them since they were all so little.
克里斯蒂安娜 我认识他们，从他们还很小的时候我就认识他们了。
And I love them like that.
我就是这样爱他们。
Yeah, and these guys, I've just been seeing them growing up, and growing bigger, and learning things, and I'm just very, very attached to them.
是的，这些家伙，我一直看着他们长大，长大，学习东西，我非常非常依恋他们。
When a mom shows up at the house a little later to drop off yet another child, she doesn't use the word mom to describe Cristiana.
当一位妈妈稍后出现在家里送另一个孩子时，她不会用“妈妈”这个词来形容克里斯蒂安娜。
Mom, that's her territory.
妈妈，那是她的地盘。
The word she uses is aunt.
她用的词是阿姨。
How do you define this job, watching children for money?
你如何定义这份为了赚钱看护孩子的工作？
Well, today on our program, babysitters, and what exactly happens when mom and dad are out of sight.
好吧，今天在我们的节目中，保姆，以及当爸爸妈妈不在视线范围内时到底会发生什么。
Our show today in three acts.
我们今天的演出分三幕。
In the first, an older brother babysits, and the younger brothers cower.
第一个场景中，哥哥负责照顾孩子，弟弟则畏缩不前。
Act two is about a day in 1988 when huge companies accidentally found themselves taking on a massive babysitting job because of snow.
第二幕讲述了 1988 年的一天，大公司意外地发现自己因为下雪而承担起了大量的保姆工作。
In act three, a brother and sister get a job babysitting for some children who do not exist.
在第三幕中，一对兄妹找到了一份工作，照顾一些不存在的孩子。
And before we say anything else about babysitters, first let's just have a little brief word, just you and me, about Mary Poppins.
在我们谈论保姆的其他内容之前，首先让我们简单介绍一下《欢乐满人间》，只有你和我。
Mary Poppins, let's just say right here, she is the gold standard of all fictional babysitters, maybe of all real ones too.
玛丽·波宾斯，我们就在这里说，她是所有虚构保姆的黄金标准，也许也是所有真实保姆的黄金标准。
She is the one that all others are to be measured by.
她是所有其他人都可以用来衡量的人。
And the movie, Mary Poppins, it contains what is probably the classic song about babysitting.
电影《欢乐满人间》中包含的歌曲可能是关于保姆的经典歌曲。
You remember, the kids in the film sing about what it is that they want in a babysitter.
你还记得吗，电影中的孩子们唱着他们想要的保姆是什么。
[SONG - THE PERFECT NANNY, MARY POPPINS]
[歌曲 - 完美的保姆，玛丽·波平斯]
Let me just stop this right here.
让我就在这里停止吧。
This is not exactly the tone that we are going for in today's radio program.
这并不完全是我们在今天的广播节目中想要的基调。
Let's cut through the treacle.
让我们把糖蜜切掉吧。
[SONG - THE PERFECT NANNY, MARY POPPINS]
[歌曲 - 完美的保姆，玛丽·波平斯]
Music recorded for our program by The Dishes.
The Dishes 为我们的节目录制的音乐。
Engineering by Elliot Dix and Mike Segal at Engine Music Studios.
由 Engine Music Studios 的 Elliot Dix 和 Mike Segal 进行工程设计。
Which brings us to Act 1.
这让我们进入第一幕。
Lots of babysitting is done by family members.
很多保姆工作都是由家庭成员完成的。
In this first story, parents leave their kids in the care of their teenage son, but instead of acting as a surrogate parent, standing above sibling squabbles and rivalries, acting as judge and mediator, the teenage babysitter stays squarely in the center of those rivalries.
在第一个故事中，父母把孩子交给十几岁的儿子照顾，但十几岁的保姆并没有充当代理父母，站在兄弟姐妹的争吵和竞争之上，充当法官和调解人，而是直接处于这些竞争的中心。
But as ruler and king, now with no parental forces tempering his actions, Hillary Frank has this cautionary tale about what happened.
但作为统治者和国王，现在没有父母的力量来约束他的行为，希拉里·弗兰克对所发生的事情有一个警示故事。
The Perrys grew up in rural Idaho.
佩里一家在爱达荷州乡村长大。
When their parents went out, the oldest son, Doug, was left in charge of his four younger siblings.
当他们的父母外出后，大儿子道格（Doug）留下来照顾他的四个弟弟妹妹。
Doug was the kind of guy who ruled the last three rows of the school bus through a combination of force and psychological pressure.
道格是那种通过武力和心理压力的结合统治校车最后三排的人。
He told other kids that the bus driver signed an agreement, putting him in charge of the back of the bus.
他告诉其他孩子，公交车司机签了一份协议，让他负责公交车的后部。
He wore a bomber jacket.
他穿着一件飞行员夹克。
He rode a motorcycle.
他骑摩托车。
Still, his parents thought he seemed responsible enough when it came to his brothers and sister.
尽管如此，他的父母仍然认为，对于他的兄弟姐妹来说，他似乎足够负责任。
There was a lot they didn't know.
有很多事情他们不知道。
If I had to be there tending to these dang kids, I was going to make it fun for me too, you know.
如果我必须在那里照顾这些该死的孩子，我也会让自己变得有趣，你知道。
Doug often subjected his three little brothers to what he calls bravery tests.
道格经常让他的三个弟弟接受他所谓的勇敢测试。
He would do things like stuff them in a sleeping bag and tie them to a tree limb, or snap huge rubber bands at their skin until they stopped flinching.
他会把它们塞进睡袋里，绑在树枝上，或者用巨大的橡皮筋勒住它们的皮肤，直到它们不再退缩。
I really hesitate to tell this, because it could have been-- I mean, it's just-- well, anyway, we had this iguana, OK, this big lizard, about-- it was about three feet long.
我真的很犹豫是否要告诉这个，因为它可能是——我的意思是，它只是——好吧，无论如何，我们有这只鬣蜥，好吧，这只大蜥蜴，大约——它大约有三英尺长。
It died.
它死了。
Well, I was so attached to this thing that I, of course, didn't want to take it out and bury it.
嗯，我对这个东西太依恋了，所以我当然不想把它拿出来埋掉。
So I put it in the freezer and kept it.
所以我把它放进冰箱里保存起来。
Well, this is a fun thing for all of us boys to take out of the freezer, and thaw out, and play with it, you know.
好吧，这对我们所有男孩来说都是一件有趣的事情，从冰箱里拿出来，解冻，然后玩它，你知道。
And then we got tired of playing with it.
然后我们厌倦了玩它。
And then we'd put it back in the freezer, you know, and we'd freeze it again.
然后我们会把它放回冰箱，你知道，我们会再次冷冻它。
And after about a year and a half of this, we decided we needed a new bravery test.
大约一年半之后，我们决定需要进行新的勇敢测试。
So we thought what can we do, hmm.
所以我们想我们能做什么，嗯。
I think we should boil and eat-- boil and eat the iguana.
我认为我们应该煮着吃——把鬣蜥煮着吃。
That would be the ultimate bravery test.
这将是最终的勇气考验。
Well, we put it in a pot.
嗯，我们把它放进锅里。
We brought the biggest pot my mom had, and we stuffed it in there, and boiled it, you know.
我们带来了我妈妈最大的锅，然后把它塞进去，煮了，你知道的。
Well, well, it's been boiling about five minutes, probably done by now.
嗯，嗯，已经沸腾了大约五分钟，现在可能已经煮好了。
And we got the thing out, and honest to goodness, we ate some of that lizard.
我们把东西拿出来，说实话，我们吃了一些蜥蜴。
And they even ate some.
他们甚至吃了一些。
Hillary Frank What did it taste like?
希拉里·弗兰克 味道如何？
You know, at that point, it actually tasted kind of like sawdust.
你知道，那时它的味道实际上有点像锯末。
Doug did all the bravery tests he made his brothers do.
道格做了他让他的兄弟们做的所有勇敢测试。
He was right in there with them.
他就和他们在一起。
But they were on their own when it came to one of Doug's long running babysitting pranks.
但当涉及道格长期进行的保姆恶作剧之一时，他们只能靠自己了。
I spoke with Doug, and with his youngest brother, Mike, who was the easiest target.
我与道格和他最小的弟弟迈克进行了交谈，迈克是最容易成为目标的人。
They're 10 years apart.
他们相差10岁。
We were convinced that he-- we were convinced for three or four years of our lives, I think, that he could actually turn into a werewolf.
我们相信他——我想，我们一生中三四年都相信他实际上可以变成狼人。
We would walk out of the house and then you'd hear this-- [HOWLS] and it would literally stop you in your tracks.
我们走出房子，然后你会听到这个——[嚎叫]，它实际上会让你停下来。
And you just knew he was out there somewhere.
你只知道他就在外面的某个地方。
Again, here's Doug.
再说一次，这是道格。
Doug Perry We had a pasture in the back, and it was about maybe half an acre.
道格·佩里 我们后面有一个牧场，大约有半英亩。
And they'd go out clear to the back fence, and that's where they liked to sleep out.
他们会走到后面的栅栏那里，那是他们喜欢睡觉的地方。
So this is the perfect place for me to stalk them in the night, you know, and sneak up, and be the werewolf.
所以这里是我在夜间跟踪他们的最佳地点，你知道，然后偷偷靠近，成为狼人。
So I would kind of just crawl out into the shadows.
所以我会爬到阴影里。
And I could hear them out there talking.
我能听到他们在那里说话。
And I'd be sneaking up through the bushes, and I'd go-- [HOWLS] And I'd hear dead silence.
我会偷偷地穿过灌木丛，然后我会——[嚎叫]然后我会听到死一般的寂静。
And then I'd hear one of them go, Doug's a werewolf.
然后我会听到其中一个人走了，道格是个狼人。
Doug kept this up for years, and the kids began to dread it, whenever their parents went out, knowing something scary would happen them, until finally, it all came to a head one night.
道格多年来一直这样，孩子们开始害怕它，每当他们的父母出去时，知道会发生可怕的事情，直到最后，这一切都在一个晚上达到了顶峰。
Mike was eight years old.
迈克当时八岁。
The middle brothers were 11 and 13.
中间的兄弟分别是11岁和13岁。
Doug was 18.
道格 18 岁。
It began the way it usually did, out in a pasture surrounded by potato fields.
一切以平常的方式开始，在一片被马铃薯田包围的牧场上。
Here's Doug.
这是道格。
We had a full moon, which was wonderful.
我们度过了满月，真是太棒了。
And I kind of got to where the moon was silhouetting me, and they couldn't really see me.
我几乎到达了月亮轮廓我的地方，而他们却看不到我。
And I stuck a bunch of weeds down in my glasses, so they were poking out all around, and then I kind of rose up out of the weed patch.
我把一堆杂草塞进眼镜里，这样它们就从周围伸出来，然后我就从杂草丛中站了起来。
And they could see the silhouette with all this, looked like hair, poking out, you know, so that convinced them.
他们可以看到这一切的轮廓，看起来像头发，伸出来，你知道，所以这让他们信服了。
I mean, totally-- I was totally growing hair.
我的意思是，完全——我完全长出了头发。
I was completely a werewolf.
我完全就是一个狼人。
So run for your life, you know.
所以，逃命吧，你知道的。
And we all, of course, knew that the best thing to do was to get out of our sleeping bags and run as fast as we could to the house because that was the sure shelter.
当然，我们都知道最好的办法就是从睡袋里出来，尽可能快地跑到房子里，因为那是可靠的庇护所。
What were you afraid that Doug was going to do to you?
你担心道格会对你做什么？
Well, it's just the whole idea of being chased around in the dark.
好吧，这就是在黑暗中被追赶的整个想法。
And it's not like there was ever a lack of physical contact.
而且身体接触并不缺乏。
I mean, he-- literally was a situation where you were scared for your life.
我的意思是，他——确实是一种让你担心自己生命安全的情况。
And we knew that Doug was in between us and the house somewhere.
我们知道道格就在我们和房子之间的某个地方。
And as we were running to the house, Doug was just sitting on the roof in a sort of a gargoyle position, just as still as the night, and just staring at us, watching us.
当我们跑向房子时，道格只是以一种石像鬼的姿势坐在屋顶上，就像夜晚一样安静，只是盯着我们，看着我们。
And so we just kind of slowly, kind of just walked, underneath him and ran into the house.
所以我们就慢慢地、就这么走着，在他下面跑进了房子。
Well now, I'm peeking in the windows.
现在，我正在往窗户里看。
I'm rattling the doors more.
我把门敲得更响了。
I'm trying to get in.
我正试图进去。
And they're running from door to door, trying to lock all the doors up.
他们挨家挨户地跑，试图锁上所有的门。
And I was always right on their heels, as they made it to the door.
当他们走到门口时，我总是紧随其后。
And I made sure that I just didn't quite catch them, you know.
我确保我没有完全理解它们，你知道。
And they would run in to slam the doors.
他们会跑进去关上门。
Just about the time they thought they were all safe, I snuck over and took the breaker, I shut the breaker off to the house.
就在他们认为他们都安全的时候，我偷偷溜过去拿走了断路器，关闭了房子的断路器。
And then all of a sudden, the lights go out.
然后突然间，灯灭了。
And it's pitch dark in the house.
而且屋子里一片漆黑。
It was like this-- we're all going to die.
事情就像这样——我们都会死。
I mean, it was just, they had no safe place they could think of to go, until one of them finally thought get to the car, you know, we got to get in the car and lock the doors.
我的意思是，这只是，他们没有想到可以去的安全地方，直到其中一个人最终想到要上车，你知道，我们必须上车并锁上车门。
And as we were all sitting in there, looking around at each other, we realized that my brother, Steve, didn't make it out of the house.
当我们都坐在那儿，互相环顾四周时，我们意识到我的兄弟史蒂夫没能走出房子。
And then the next thing I know I'm in the house alone.
接下来我就知道我独自一人在屋子里。
Let's introduce another brother.
再给大家介绍一下另外一个兄弟。
This is Steve.
这是史蒂夫。
Of course, my fear went out, you know, through the roof.
当然，我的恐惧已经消失得无影无踪了。
And then, I see him look in, in the patio window at me.
然后，我看到他在露台的窗户里看着我。
Well, I was still around back, so I thought, well, Steve is still in there.
好吧，我还在后面，所以我想，好吧，史蒂夫还在里面。
I could see in the darkness, I could see him rocking in the chair.
我可以在黑暗中看到他在椅子上摇晃。
Well, I'll get Steve.
好吧，我去找史蒂夫。
He snuck into the house.
他偷偷溜进了屋子。
And he saw my brother, Steve, sitting on the couch.
他看到我的兄弟史蒂夫坐在沙发上。
And Steve just said, I don't care, kill me if you want.
史蒂夫只是说，我不在乎，如果你想杀了我就行。
And that was when I told him, you know, just kill me or whatever, be done with it, however you want to end it.
就在那时我告诉他，你知道，杀了我或者别的什么，就这样结束吧，无论你想如何结束它。
I mean, I'm done.
我的意思是，我已经完成了。
I don't think we ever played it again after that point.
我想在那之后我们就再也没有玩过这个游戏了。
These days, the brothers are all quick to say that Doug was playing werewolf, that it was just a game.
这些天，兄弟俩都很快说道格在玩狼人，这只是一个游戏。
None of them carry resentment towards him.
他们中没有人对他怀有怨恨。
But when they were kids, clearly feelings were running a bit hotter.
但当他们还是孩子的时候，显然感情变得更加热烈了。
Around the same time that Doug had his little siblings convinced he wanted their blood, he got into a motorcycle accident that nearly killed him.
大约在道格让他的弟弟妹妹相信他想要他们的血的同时，他遭遇了一场摩托车事故，差点丧命。
He broke every bone in his face, one arm, and one irreplaceable kneecap.
他折断了脸上的每一块骨头，一只手臂，还有一块无法替代的膝盖骨。
The force of the crash made the helmet, along with his scalp, shoot off his head.
撞击的力量使头盔连同他的头皮一起从他的头上飞落。
It took around 350 stitches to sew him back up.
大约缝了 350 针才将他重新缝合。
You know, when I came home from the hospital, I had my leg in a cast, my arm in a cast, I was in a wheelchair.
你知道，当我从医院回家时，我的腿上打着石膏，我的手臂上打着石膏，我坐在轮椅上。
My face was all banged up.
我的脸都被打肿了。
And my brothers said, mom, we'll take Doug down the road in his wheelchair for a walk.
我的兄弟们说，妈妈，我们要带着道格坐在轮椅上沿着路散步。
And so he can have some air.
这样他就可以呼吸一些空气了。
And so she goes, OK.
所以她就走了，好吧。
And I get in the wheelchair.
我坐上轮椅。
They get me out on the highway and run as fast as they can, and then let go.
他们把我带到高速公路上，然后尽可能快地跑，然后放手。
And I'm like, [SCREAMS], you know, going down the road in the wheelchair, heading for the ditch.
我就像，[尖叫]，你知道，坐在轮椅上沿着路，走向沟渠。
And just about the time I go in the ditch, they catch up to me and straighten me out and go again, you know.
就在我进入沟渠的时候，他们追上了我，把我扶正，然后又走了，你知道。
So this was kind of a get even-- get even with me kind of a time.
所以这是一次报复——跟我报复的一次。
And there was nothing I could do about it.
我对此无能为力。
And they had great fun with me that time, you know.
那次他们和我玩得很开心，你知道。
I guess that, you know, I was expecting a lot of sympathy and poor Doug.
我想，你知道，我期待着很多同情和可怜的道格。
And no, it wasn't that at all.
不，根本不是那样。
It was let's get some revenge for all this.
这是让我们为这一切报仇。
Revenge came in other forms as he got older.
随着年龄的增长，复仇以其他形式出现。
When Doug had kids of his own, to his horror, his oldest son, Corey, turned out to be exactly the same kind of babysitter that Doug had been.
当道格有了自己的孩子时，令他惊恐的是，他的大儿子科里竟然成为了道格以前的保姆。
Doug would come home from a night out and find himself pulling Corey aside and saying things like next time, try and tie the rope a little looser around your brother's neck.
道格晚上出去玩后回到家，发现自己把科里拉到一边，说着类似“下次，试着把你弟弟脖子上的绳子绑得松一点”之类的话。
Steve, the brother who told Doug, just kill me, is also a parent these days, of four daughters.
史蒂夫，那个告诉道格，杀了我的兄弟，现在也是四个女儿的父母。
And like Doug, he's had moments flashing back to the days when Doug babysat.
和道格一样，他也有过回忆道格照顾孩子的日子。
I remember this one time, he came out with his box, and he said look what I found out in the street.
我记得有一次，他拿着盒子出来，他说看看我在街上发现了什么。
And he opened this box, and he has a finger sticking up through the bottom of the box, where all you could see was this bloody finger in there.
他打开了这个盒子，他的一根手指从盒子的底部伸出来，你只能看到里面有一根血淋淋的手指。
I mean, I freaked out over that for years.
我的意思是，多年来我一直为此感到害怕。
I still remember it vividly.
我至今还记得很清楚。
Of course, after he saw how freaked out we were about it, he showed us how it worked.
当然，在他看到我们对此感到多么害怕之后，他向我们展示了它是如何运作的。
I did it to my own kids, if you can believe that.
我对自己的孩子也这么做过，如果你相信的话。
Why?
为什么？
Why would you want to freak them out like that?
你为什么要这样吓唬他们？
I don't know.
我不知道。
I remembered it so vividly.
我记得那么清楚。
And I thought, well that was-- and I think back on it, and I go well, it was kind of cool, actually, how he did it.
我想，嗯，那是——我回想起来，我做得很好，实际上，他是如何做到的，这有点酷。
So here I go, and I'm going to try it with my own kids, OK?
所以我开始了，我要和我自己的孩子一起尝试，好吗？
And I lift up the box, and my oldest daughter just broke into tears.
当我举起盒子时，我的大女儿泪流满面。
And I then-- I apologized all over myself for a week or two afterwards to her.
然后我——事后我向她道歉了一两周。
I hope she's-- she's probably going to have as crappy a memory of that as I did when I seen it the first time, you know.
我希望她——她对此的记忆可能会像我第一次看到它时一样糟糕，你知道。
Yeah, did you feel sort of like you were in Doug's shoes, like you knew what it felt like to be him?
是的，你是否感觉自己处于道格的处境，就像你知道成为他的感觉？
I catch myself wanting to tease them too, like he did, sometimes, in a fun sort of way.
我发现自己也想取笑他们，就像他有时那样，以一种有趣的方式。
But my wife will go, you know, you're acting just like Doug.
但我妻子会走，你知道，你的表现就像道格一样。
As an adult, Doug has gone to each of his younger brothers and apologized for how he treated them.
成年后，道格向他的每个弟弟道歉，为他对待他们的方式道歉。
But he also thinks if they'd been less aggressive with each other as kids, they wouldn't be as close now.
但他也认为，如果他们小时候不那么咄咄逼人，他们现在就不会那么亲密了。
I know families that have grown up more mellow than us, and they get along fine, and they're very civil, and they're very happy to see each other, but they're almost like when they see each other, they shake hands.
我认识一些比我们成熟的家庭，他们相处得很好，而且很有礼貌，他们很高兴见到对方，但他们几乎就像见面时握手一样。
And I'm like, give me a break.
我想，让我休息一下。
You haven't seen your brother for six months and you're shaking his hand?
你已经六个月没见到你哥哥了，你还和他握手？
I mean, we're grabbing each other and bearhugging, and we're jumping up and down, and it's a whole different relationship as far as I see, like people who've been through traumatic experiences together, you know.
我的意思是，我们互相抓住对方，拥抱熊，我们跳来跳去，据我所知，这是一种完全不同的关系，就像一起经历过创伤经历的人一样，你知道。
Maybe that's why.
也许这就是原因。
You feel like you've been through that, and survived it all together.
你感觉自己已经经历过这一切，并且一起挺过来了。
And so it creates a deep bond or something maybe.
所以它可能会产生一种深厚的联系或其他什么。
So I think we're closer because of it, actually.
所以我认为实际上我们因此更加接近。
Did part of you know that when you were younger, that it might make you closer when you grew up?
你是否知道，当你年轻的时候，这可能会让你们长大后更亲近？
Well, you know, I think, maybe subconsciously it did, because after every time, you would feel somewhat closer.
嗯，你知道，我想，也许潜意识里确实如此，因为每次之后，你都会感觉更亲近。
So I don't think as a kid you actually sit down and think if I do this, it's going to make me closer to my brother.
所以我不认为作为一个孩子，你真的会坐下来思考如果我这样做，这会让我和我的兄弟更亲近。
You just do it if it feels that way, you know you just tend to do the things that make you grow closer together.
如果有这种感觉，你就去做，你知道你只是倾向于做那些让你们更加亲密的事情。
And those are the things that we did that drew us together.
这些是我们所做的事情让我们走到一起的。
So we continued doing those kind of things.
所以我们继续做这些事情。
When I asked the other brothers if they'd do it all over again, they all say they would.
当我问其他兄弟是否愿意重来一次时，他们都说愿意。
Even with all the terror and danger that was there, you would still do all of it over again?
即使存在着所有的恐怖和危险，你仍然会重来一遍吗？
Absolutely, I look back on those years with complete fondness.
当然，我满怀喜爱地回顾那些年。
Hilary Frank.
希拉里·弗兰克.
She's the host of The Longest Shortest Time, a podcast about early parenthood.
她是《最长最短时间》的主持人，这是一个关于早期为人父母的播客。
[SONG - THE PERFECT NANNY, MARY POPPINS]
[歌曲 - 完美的保姆，玛丽·波平斯]
John Langford of the Waco Brothers and the Micons with John Rice on mandolin, in a song recorded for our show.
韦科兄弟和米肯斯乐团的约翰·兰福德与约翰·莱斯一起演奏曼陀林，这是为我们的节目录制的一首歌曲。
Whatever we are paying them, it is not enough.
无论我们付给他们什么，都还不够。
And this brings us to ACT 2.
接下来我们进入第二幕。
On the day after Christmas, all across America, divorced kids shuttle from one parent to the other.
圣诞节后的第二天，在美国各地，离婚的孩子们从父母一方穿梭到另一方。
If they fly, their babysitters are the airlines themselves.
如果他们飞行，他们的保姆就是航空公司本身。
This is babysitting encased in corporate procedure and corporate language, kids flying without adults are called unaccompanied minors.
这是包含在公司程序和公司语言中的保姆服务，没有成人陪同飞行的儿童被称为无人陪伴的未成年人。
Little ones get brightly colored tags pinned to their coats or hung from their necks.
小孩子的外套上或脖子上都会挂上色彩鲜艳的标签。
When you see them, it's hard not to feel bad for them and wonder what they're going to say about the experience someday when they grow up.
当你看到他们时，很难不为他们感到难过，并想知道他们长大后会对这段经历说些什么。
Well, back in December of 1988, on December 26, divorced kids from all over the country got snowed in at O'Hare Airport here in Chicago.
好吧，早在 1988 年 12 月，也就是 12 月 26 日，来自全国各地的离婚孩子被大雪困在芝加哥奥黑尔机场。
Susan Burton was one of those kids.
苏珊·伯顿就是其中之一。
Now old enough to tell the tale, she and her sister Betsy were traveling from Colorado where their mom lived to Michigan, where'd they'd grown up, and where their dad lived.
现在她已经足够大了，可以讲述这个故事了，她和她的妹妹贝特西正从他们母亲居住的科罗拉多州前往密歇根州，他们在那里长大，他们的父亲也居住在那里。
Here's Susan.
这是苏珊。
There were two types of unaccompanied minors on flights out of Denver-- divorced kids and skier kids.
从丹佛起飞的航班上有两种无人陪伴的未成年人：离婚儿童和滑雪儿童。
You could spot the skier kids because they always wore something to prove they'd been to Colorado.
你可以看到那些滑雪的孩子，因为他们总是穿着一些东西来证明他们去过科罗拉多州。
They had lift tickets fanning out from the zippers of their jackets, or baseball caps that said Vale.
他们的夹克拉链上散开着缆车票，或者戴着写着“淡水河谷”字样的棒球帽。
But since today it was December 26, we suspected that even the boy with the raccoon face tan, the kind you get from ski goggles, was like us, a divorced kid too.
但今天是12月26日，我们怀疑连那个带着滑雪镜的浣熊脸的男孩也和我们一样，是一个离婚的孩子。
As soon as our flight left Denver, my thoughts turned to our layover in Chicago.
我们的航班一离开丹佛，我的思绪就转向我们在芝加哥的中途停留。
Betsy and I loved the O'Hare Airport, with its shiny food court, and chain bookstores, and big glass atrium ceiling.
贝特西和我喜欢奥黑尔机场，那里有闪亮的美食广场、连锁书店和大玻璃中庭天花板。
It seemed like a beautiful new mall.
它看起来像一个美丽的新购物中心。
When we landed in Chicago, it was snowing, snowing hard enough to shut the airport down.
当我们降落在芝加哥时，正在下雪，雪大得足以关闭机场。
It was only the middle of the afternoon, and travelers were already reserving sleeping spaces by throwing their parkas over blocks of chairs.
当时只是下午，旅客们已经把派克大衣扔到几排椅子上来预留睡眠空间。
Even floorspace was scarce.
就连占地面积也很稀缺。
And some people were stuck alongside the moving walkway.
有些人被困在自动人行道旁边。
The mall had become a refugee camp.
商场变成了难民营。
The departure board showed that our flight to Grand Rapids was canceled.
出发牌显示我们飞往大急流城的航班已取消。
So we went to a service desk, where an agent took our tickets and typed things into a terminal.
于是我们去了服务台，工作人员拿走了我们的票并在终端上输入内容。
Then she turned on her microphone and sent a cryptic message out over the PA.
然后她打开麦克风，通过广播发送了一条神秘的信息。
I have two UMs at the service desk, two UMs at the service desk.
我的服务台有两个 UM，服务台有两个 UM。
OK, the woman told us, someone's coming by for you.
好的，那个女人告诉我们，有人来找你了。
A second woman appeared and we followed her to a gray, unmarked door.
第二个女人出现了，我们跟着她来到一扇没有标记的灰色门前。
She fumbled with her keys.
她摸索着钥匙。
I squeezed Betsy's hand.
我握紧了贝特西的手。
The door opened onto a room packed with kids, sitting on their winter jackets.
打开门，房间里挤满了孩子，他们穿着冬装。
There were dozens of kids, all kinds of kids.
有几十个孩子，各种各样的孩子。
Some in small groups.
有些是小群。
The young ones conversing with stuffed animals.
年轻人与毛绒动物交谈。
Others looking uncomfortable in dresses, or overheated in moon boots that had been too big to pack.
其他人穿着裙子看起来不舒服，或者穿着太大而无法打包的月球靴，看起来过热。
Most of them were facing a podium at the front of the room, as if they'd been dropped off at the public library and were waiting for a reading by Shel Silverstein.
他们中的大多数人都面向房间前面的讲台，就好像他们被送到公共图书馆等待谢尔·西尔弗斯坦的朗读一样。
At the podium, a steward put our names on the list.
在讲台上，一名乘务员将我们的名字列在名单上。
The woman standing next to him was wearing the uniform of another airline.
站在他旁边的女人穿着另一家航空公司的制服。
It's strange to see people from different airlines mixing, almost like something that shouldn't be allowed.
看到来自不同航空公司的人混在一起很奇怪，几乎就像是不应该允许的事情。
There were a handful of folding chairs in the room, and we found a free one near the center.
房间里有一把折叠椅，我们在中心附近找到了一把免费的。
I took the seat and Betsy settled on the floor beside me.
我坐下来，贝琪坐在我旁边的地板上。
She got her baby blanket out of her bag and began to sniff it.
她从包里拿出婴儿毯，开始闻。
It seemed we'd never been around so many divorced kids at once.
我们似乎从来没有同时接触过这么多离婚的孩子。
Back home, most kids had both parents.
在家里，大多数孩子都有父母。
You'd forget you were different, and then you'd be at someone's house after school, and the dad would come home, and from the landing on the staircase, you'd see him sorting through the mail, talking to the mother in the kitchen.
你会忘记自己与众不同，然后放学后你会去别人家，爸爸回家，从楼梯平台上，你会看到他在整理邮件，在厨房里和妈妈说话。
It was hard to explain why this was sad.
很难解释为什么这令人悲伤。
As a result, all that most of our friends knew about our divorce was that my favorite video to rent was Kramer versus Kramer, and Betsy's was The Parent Trap.
结果，我们大多数朋友对我们离婚的了解就是，我最喜欢租的视频是《克莱默对克莱默》，而贝齐的则是《父母陷阱》。
So now it was strange to hear kids talking about the things we kept for ourselves.
所以现在听到孩子们谈论我们为自己保留的东西感觉很奇怪。
A group nearby was engaged in a kind of divorced-kid one-upmanship.
附近的一群人正在进行一场离异儿童之间的较量。
A girl wearing a sweatshirt with a Christmas tree patch said she saw her father only a couple of times a year.
一名穿着贴有圣诞树补丁的运动衫的女孩说，她一年只见到父亲几次。
A boy lying on his stomach claimed that he saw his dad even less.
一个趴着的男孩声称他见父亲的次数更少了。
They exchanged a series of anecdotes about stepmothers, and took a poll of who'd been the object of a custody battle.
他们交换了一系列有关继母的轶事，并对谁是监护权争夺的对象进行了民意调查。
It seemed improper to talk so freely about these things.
如此随意地谈论这些事情似乎不太合适。
I had no way of expressing this at the time, but it felt like we were part of something on a grand scale.
当时我无法表达这一点，但感觉就像我们是某个宏伟事物的一部分。
All these kids, here in Chicago, at the transfer point between mom and dad.
所有这些孩子，都在芝加哥，在爸爸妈妈之间的转乘点。
Being babysat by the airlines was a lot like what you'd expect.
由航空公司照顾就像你所期望的那样。
Gate agents started in and out, consulting papers, and making shushing noises, and yelling out names from the podium.
登机口工作人员进进出出，查阅文件，发出嘘声，并在讲台上喊出名字。
They seemed flustered, annoyed.
他们看起来很慌乱，很恼火。
Normally, their babysitting duties were small scale.
通常，他们的保姆职责规模很小。
They were good at shepherding kids along moving walkways, and doling out little pins shaped like wings.
他们擅长引导孩子们沿着自动人行道行走，并分发形状像翅膀的小别针。
In the UM room, they reverted to the same crowd control techniques that they used in flight-- secure the doors, withhold information, and discourage people from getting up to use the bathroom.
在密歇根大学的房间里，他们恢复了与飞行中相同的人群控制技术——锁好门，隐瞒信息，并阻止人们起身去洗手间。
So we did what any group of fed up delayed passengers does.
所以我们做了任何一群受够了延误的乘客所做的事情。
We started to generate our own information.
我们开始生成自己的信息。
In the late evening, a rumor filtered through the crowd that the reason some kids were being escorted away was that their parents were making a bigger fuss than the other parents.
深夜，人群中流传着一个谣言，说一些孩子被护送走的原因是他们的父母比其他父母大惊小怪。
Where were those kids going?
那些孩子去哪儿了？
The question arose from those of us in the landlocked middle and travelled through the crowd.
这个问题由我们这些内陆中部地区的人提出，并在人群中传播。
The answer was transmitted back to us by our intelligence forces stationed at the podium.
答案是由我们驻扎在讲台上的情报部队传回给我们的。
Those kids got hotels.
那些孩子们有旅馆。
The rest of us would have to sleep here in the UM room.
我们其他人就得睡在密苏里大学的房间里。
A divorced kid reacts to his parents' separation in one of two ways.
离婚的孩子对父母分居的反应有两种。
As the rumor about the sleeping arrangements spread, it became clear who was the divorced kid who avoided conflict, and who was the divorced kid who acted out.
随着有关睡眠安排的谣言传开，谁是避免冲突的离婚孩子，谁是表现出来的离婚孩子，一切都变得清晰起来。
Fart noises increased, crushed drink boxes began to litter the floor.
放屁的声音越来越大，压碎的饮料盒开始散落在地板上。
I realized that when thrown with sufficient force, a Nerf ball could cause injury.
我意识到，当用足够的力抛出时，Nerf 球可能会造成伤害。
Soon word came around that the system had changed, that our babysitters were mad, and they didn't care who your parents were or how many times they called.
很快就有消息称，系统已经改变，我们的保姆疯了，他们不在乎你的父母是谁，也不在乎他们打了多少电话。
Now they were taking the good kids first.
现在他们首先带走的是好孩子。
Immediately, Betsy lay down on her blanket.
贝特西立即躺在毯子上。
I took out the book in my bag, Catcher in the Rye.
我拿出包里的书《麦田里的守望者》。
Within an hour, we were out of there.
一个小时之内，我们就离开了那里。
BY NOW IT WAS 1: 00 in the morning.
此时已是凌晨 1:00。
Betsy and I, and a group of others, followed a stewardess through the dim halls.
贝特西和我，以及其他一群人，跟着一位空姐穿过昏暗的大厅。
The metal gates were down over the entrance to the food court and travelers were sleeping in chairs.
金属门在美食广场的入口上方，旅客们睡在椅子上。
We would share a room with two other people.
我们会和另外两个人共用一个房间。
The first was a girl close to my age, who was wearing glasses with pink, plastic frames.
第一个是一个与我年龄相仿的女孩，戴着粉红色塑料框的眼镜。
I convinced myself that she was the same girl who had been in my line at swim camp years earlier, when my parents were still married.
我说服自己，她就是多年前在游泳营里和我同班的那个女孩，当时我的父母还结婚了。
I didn't ask her because I didn't want to ruin it if it wasn't true.
我没有问她，因为如果这不是真的，我不想毁了它。
The second person was a stewardess, who looked about 30.
第二个人是一名空姐，看上去30岁左右。
She wore a lot of makeup and she was big-boned, packed into her uniform.
她化了浓妆，骨架大，穿着制服。
She wasn't mean to us.
她对我们并不刻薄。
But she was pretty standoffish.
但她却十分冷漠。
We settled into our room.
我们在自己的房间安顿下来。
When the stewardess went into the bathroom, the swim camp girl pulled me over to the window.
当空姐走进卫生间时，游泳营的女孩把我拉到窗边。
The curtains were closed, but red light shone in from the parking lot.
窗帘拉上了，但停车场却有红光照射进来。
Will you sleep in the bed with me, so I won't have to sleep with the stewardess, she said.
“你能和我一起睡在床上吗，这样我就不用和空姐睡了，”她说。
I looked over at Betsy.
我看着贝特西。
She was sitting on one of the two double beds in the room, sniffing her blanket.
她坐在房间里两张双人床上的一张上，闻着毯子。
I told the girl yes.
我告诉那个女孩是的。
It just came out.
它刚刚出来。
Almost immediately I felt awful.
几乎立刻我就感觉很糟糕。
When we lay down, I inched as far to the edge as I could, so that I'd feel nearer to my sister on the edge of the bed across the aisle.
当我们躺下时，我尽可能地靠近床边，这样我就能感觉离过道对面床边的妹妹更近了。
The stewardess came out of the bathroom wearing control top stockings and a lacy slip and got under the covers like that.
空姐穿着紧身长袜和蕾丝衬裙从浴室出来，就这样钻进了被子里。
I'd never seen a grown woman sleep in anything other than a flannel nightgown.
我从来没有见过一个成年女人除了法兰绒睡衣之外还穿着其他衣服睡觉。
I wondered if she always slept like that, or it was just because she had to get up early.
我不知道她是否总是这样睡觉，还是只是因为她要早起。
Maybe this was what all stewardesses wore under their uniform.
也许这就是所有空姐在制服下穿的衣服。
But maybe she just felt awkward.
但也许她只是觉得尴尬。
Or maybe there were rules about what you wore, that you had to keep covered.
或者也许对你的着装有规定，你必须把衣服遮盖起来。
Or maybe she just didn't want her bare legs near Betsy.
或者也许她只是不想让她光着的腿靠近贝特西。
I saw Betsy shift under the covers and curl into a ball.
我看到贝特西在被子下面动了动，蜷缩成一团。
I now felt certain that this was the worst thing I'd ever done to my sister.
我现在确信这是我对姐姐做过的最糟糕的事情。
I wanted the strangers removed and my family restored.
我希望陌生人离开，我的家人得以恢复。
I hated the swim camp girl sleeping next to me.
我讨厌睡在我旁边的游泳营女孩。
She wasn't from Michigan.
她不是来自密歇根州。
She didn't have anything to do with my life.
她与我的生活没有任何关系。
On these trips to visit our father, more than any other time, all Betsy and I had was each other.
在这些探望父亲的旅途中，贝特西和我比以往任何时候都更能依靠彼此。
I thought of the kids in the UM room at the airport, the ones saying crass things about the saddest thing that had ever happened in life.
我想起了机场UM房间里的孩子们，他们对生命中发生过的最悲伤的事情说着粗鲁的话。
And how reassuring it had been when I looked at Betsy, sniffing her blanket, the way she always had, the way I thought she would forever.
当我看着贝特西，嗅着她的毯子时，我感到多么安心，就像她一直那样，我以为她永远都会这样。
Susan Burton-- in the years since that story was first broadcast on our radio show, a movie based on that story, about kids of divorce, trapped in an airport over Christmas, was released.
苏珊·伯顿——自从这个故事在我们的广播节目中首次播出以来，根据这个故事改编的电影上映了，讲述了离婚的孩子在圣诞节期间被困在机场的故事。
It was in 2006.
那是在2006年。
It was a kids' comedy directed by Paul Feig.
这是一部由保罗·费格执导的儿童喜剧。
It was called Unaccompanied Minors.
它被称为无人陪伴的未成年人。
[AUDIO PLAYBACK] - We have our own suggestions for the new nanny.
[音频回放] - 我们对新保姆有自己的建议。
Would you like to hear them?
你想听听他们的声音吗？
- If you wish to be our sitter, please be sweet, and never bitter.
- 如果你想成为我们的保姆，请温柔一点，不要苦涩。
Help us with math and book reports.
帮助我们做数学和读书报告。
Might I add eat my shorts.
我可以添加吃我的短裤吗？
- Bart.
- 巴特。
- Just cutting through the treacle.
- 只是切开糖蜜。
- And one who will work for minimum wage.
- 以及一个愿意以最低工资工作的人。
[END PLAYBACK] Ira Glass Coming up, how hard could it be to babysit kids who do not even exist?
[回放结束] Ira Glass 接下来，照顾根本不存在的孩子有多难？
That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.
芝加哥公共广播电台一分钟后我们的节目仍在继续。
This American Life.
这美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的不同类型的故事。
Today's program, babysitting and what happens that mom and dad do not find out about.
今天的节目，保姆以及爸爸妈妈不知道的事情。
Today's program was first broadcast back in 2001.
今天的节目于 2001 年首次播出。
We've arrived at Act 3 of our program.
We've arrived at Act 3 of our program.
This is a story that caught our interest because of babysitting, but then it ended up being about so many other things besides.
这是一个因为保姆而引起我们兴趣的故事，但后来它最终又涉及了很多其他事情。
A man in Florida named Myron Jones wrote us this letter.
佛罗里达州一位名叫迈伦·琼斯的人给我们写了这封信。
He said that when he was 16 years old, growing up without a dad in Buffalo, New York, he was allowed to stay out till midnight.
他说，16 岁时，他在纽约州布法罗长大，没有父亲陪伴，他被允许在外面呆到午夜。
He came and went as he pleased.
他随心所欲地来来去去。
Spent a lot of time in bars, actually.
事实上，我在酒吧呆了很多时间。
This was the 1940s.
那是 20 世纪 40 年代。
But his sister Carol, she had different rules, and she wasn't let out of the house at all, even though she was older than Myron.
但他的妹妹卡罗尔却有不同的规矩，她根本不被允许走出家门，尽管她比迈伦年长。
This story gets to babysitting in a big, big way.
这个故事在很大程度上涉及到保姆。
And I called him to talk about it.
我打电话给他谈论这件事。
She had to say exactly where she was going, who she was going with.
她必须准确地说出她要去哪里，和谁一起去。
She could go to church dances, but only some church dances.
她可以去参加教堂舞会，但只能参加一些教堂舞会。
It all had to do with protecting her chastity, really.
这一切都与保护她的贞操有关，真的。
If one were to ask your mother at the time, what would she have said?
如果当时有人问你妈妈，她会怎么说？
She said you've got to be more careful with the girls.
她说你对女孩子要更加小心。
Yeah.
是的。
Myron Jones Spelled P-R-E-G-N-A-N-T.
迈伦·琼斯拼写为 P-R-E-G-N-A-N-T。
So my sister figured out a little scheme.
于是姐姐想出了一个小办法。
She invented a family called the McCrearys.
She invented a family called the McCrearys.
Said they needed her to babysit.
说他们需要她照顾孩子。
And I remember when she first told me about it.
我记得她第一次告诉我这件事的时候。
She said listen, guess what I did, I made up a family.
她说听着，猜猜我做了什么，我组成了一个家庭。
I said what do you mean?
我说你什么意思？
I made up this family I babysit for, they're called the McCrearys.
我组建了这个由我照看的家庭，他们叫麦克里里一家。
It seemed clear once I got talking to Myron Jones that his sister Carol, might have a few thoughts about all this.
当我与迈伦·琼斯交谈时，很明显他的妹妹卡罗尔可能对这一切有一些想法。
And we gave her a call.
我们给她打了电话。
She agreed to go into a studio and chat.
She agreed to go into a studio and chat.
She says if anything, her brother was understanding just how strict the mother was with her.
她说，如果说有什么不同的话，那就是她哥哥理解母亲对她有多严格。
She used to follow me.
她曾经跟着我。
She had a friend.
她有一个朋友。
We called them Sam Spade and the fat man.
We called them Sam Spade and the fat man.
And they would follow us.
And they would follow us.
And then I'd go home, and she'd come in and say where have you been.
然后我回家，她进来问你去哪儿了。
It was-- it was really, really hard.
It was-- it was really, really hard.
She didn't believe anything I ever said.
She didn't believe anything I ever said.
And were you a pretty good kid, good student in school?
你在学校是一个非常好的孩子、好学生吗？
I was, you know, for a long time I thought that, oh, I was terrible.
你知道，很长一段时间我都觉得，哦，我很糟糕。
My mother started calling me a whore before I had any idea what the word was.
在我还不知道这个词是什么之前，我母亲就开始称我为妓女。
And I couldn't look it up, because it didn't know it was spelled.
我无法查找它，因为它不知道它是拼写的。
I couldn't find it.
我找不到它。
Wow.
哇。
Carol Jones And so, it occurred to me that if I had a family, a non-existent family, I could go, I could say I was going there.
卡罗尔·琼斯 所以，我突然想到，如果我有一个家庭，一个不存在的家庭，我可以去，我可以说我要去那里。
Carol started working out the details.
Carol started working out the details.
Because whenever she babysat, my mother had to have the phone number so she could check up on her.
因为每当她照顾孩子时，我母亲都必须有电话号码，以便她可以查看她的情况。
So the man in the family was an FBI agent, working on a top secret project, so he could not give his phone number to anyone at all.
所以家里的那个男人是一名联邦调查局特工，从事一项绝密项目，所以他根本不能把他的电话号码给任何人。
He also couldn't let anyone but my sister, the babysitter, know just where they lived.
除了我的保姆姐姐之外，他也不能让任何人知道他们住在哪里。
It would have been dangerous for him to do so.
It would have been dangerous for him to do so.
So, how far did this go?
那么，这件事进展到什么程度了呢？
How complicated did the story of the McCrearys get?
麦克里家族的故事有多复杂？
It got very complicated.
事情变得非常复杂。
They had two kids.
他们有两个孩子。
Michael was three and Laura was two.
Michael was three and Laura was two.
That happened to be the age separation between my sister and myself, but it was reversed.
那正好是我和姐姐的年龄差距，但情况却颠倒过来了。
Sometimes the little boy in particular would try to test us.
有时那个小男孩会特别尝试考验我们。
And I'd let him get away with it.
And I'd let him get away with it.
But my sister wouldn't.
但我姐姐不肯。
And they had all kinds of toys, but not too many toys.
他们有各种玩具，但玩具数量不多。
And they liked their parents very much, loved their parents.
他们非常喜欢他们的父母，爱他们的父母。
They were easy, they weren't spoiled in any way.
They were easy, they weren't spoiled in any way.
Oh, yeah, they were great.
Oh, yeah, they were great.
They were like no kids I ever met really.
他们就像我见过的任何孩子一样。
I think, I think in many ways they had the life my sister wished that we'd had.
我想，我想他们在很多方面都过着我姐姐希望我们过的生活。
I had them rent a cottage at the lake for the summer.
我让他们在湖边租了一间小屋过夏天。
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass And did they require your services at the summer house?
Ira Glass 他们在避暑别墅需要你的服务吗？
Yes, indeed.
是的，确实如此。
They knew that the kids would enjoy it so much more if we were there.
他们知道如果我们在那里，孩子们会更喜欢它。
And it was we, because both my brother and I always liked little kids a lot, you know.
是我们，因为我和我哥哥都非常喜欢小孩子，你知道。
So my mother would accept this quite readily, you know, that they wanted the both of us out at the lake.
所以我母亲很乐意接受这一点，你知道，他们希望我们俩都去湖边。
It was wonderful.
太棒了。
We had such a good summer.
We had such a good summer.
I mean, it was glorious.
我的意思是，那是光荣的。
What would you do?
你会怎么办？
Carol Jones Well, we just-- sometimes if we knew someone out there-- sometimes kids we knew would have cottages, you know kids used to get together and chip in, or their parents would have a cottage.
卡罗尔·琼斯 好吧，我们只是 - 有时如果我们认识某人 - 有时我们认识的孩子会有小屋，你知道孩子们过去常常聚在一起凑钱，或者他们的父母会拥有小屋。
Sometimes we'd just sleep on the beach, which was great.
有时我们就睡在海滩上，这真是太棒了。
I'd love sleeping on the beach.
我很想睡在海滩上。
I have to say every time you talk about the freedom you got, your voice becomes completely different.
我不得不说，每次你谈论你所获得的自由时，你的声音都会变得完全不同。
It's like you can still taste it.
It's like you can still taste it.
I still remember what that was like.
I still remember what that was like.
It offered freedom that was just so wonderful to me.
它提供了对我来说非常美妙的自由。
We really got all of this from our mother, this notion of fantasy people.
我们真的从我们的母亲那里得到了这一切，这种幻想人的观念。
Our mother had, from the time we were young kids, younger than 10, our mother had three people that she went to see.
从我们还不到 10 岁的时候，我们的母亲就去看望了三个人。
None of them existed, and we always knew they didn't exist.
它们都不存在，而我们一直都知道它们不存在。
Who were they?
他们是谁？
Myron Jones One was a lawyer.
迈伦·琼斯是一名律师。
And she wouldn't say what she was doing there, but she'd drop little hints.
她不会说她在那里做什么，但她会给出一些暗示。
And what we were supposed to believe was that was making arrangements to put us in an orphanage.
我们应该相信的是，他们正在安排把我们送进孤儿院。
The second person she saw was a psychiatrist, which she pronounced psycholorgist-- interesting.
她见到的第二个人是一位精神科医生，她称其为心理学家——有趣。
And she went there because he would tell her that we were driving her crazy.
她去那里是因为他会告诉她我们快把她逼疯了。
I see.
我懂了。
Myron Jones And the third person was a doctor, who told her she was going to die.
迈伦·琼斯 第三个人是一位医生，他告诉她她快要死了。
And we had no idea where in fact she went, but she was never gone long enough to see anyone at all.
我们不知道她实际上去了哪里，但她从来没有离开足够长的时间来见到任何人。
So in other words, she would literally-- this wasn't just something she would say to you, well, I've been to a psychiatrist and he tells me that you're driving-- that you guys are driving me crazy.
换句话说，她会——这不仅仅是她会对你说的话，嗯，我去看了精神科医生，他告诉我你在开车——你们快把我逼疯了。
She would actually leave the house and go to her appointment.
她实际上会离开家去赴约。
Yeah, she'd say-- she'd say-- she'd go for the door, and when we were young, we'd say where you going, Ma, because it was so unusual for her to go out, except to work.
是的，她会说——她会说——她会走向门口，当我们年轻的时候，我们会说你要去哪里，妈妈，因为除了工作之外，她外出是很不寻常的。
And she'd say wouldn't you like to know?
她会说你不想知道吗？
Oh, OK.
哦，好吧。
Is it your doctor?
是你的医生吗？
As we got older, she'd say, maybe.
随着我们年龄的增长，她会说，也许吧。
And so that was her game.
这就是她的游戏。
In retrospect, where do you think she was going?
回想起来，你认为她要去哪里？
I have no idea.
我不知道。
I think she walked around the block a couple of times.
我想她绕着街区走了好几次。
So at some point, your mother must have wanted to meet them, right?
所以在某个时候，你妈妈一定想见见他们，对吧？
No, she was-- shy isn't the word for her.
不，她是——害羞这个词不适合她。
But she didn't like knowing people at all.
但她根本不喜欢认识人。
She didn't know the people next door.
她不认识隔壁的人。
She didn't want to know them.
她不想认识他们。
So she was really deliberately isolated.
所以她真的是被刻意孤立了。
But the McCrearys were far and away her favorite topic of conversation.
但麦克里家族无疑是她最喜欢的话题。
My mother would ask questions about them.
我妈妈会问有关他们的问题。
And then Carol would give her far more information and she asked for.
然后卡罗尔会给她提供更多她要求的信息。
Say more of what you remember of what she would tell her.
多说一些你记得的她会告诉她的话。
Well, one was that Mrs. McCreary was very intelligent, and lovely, and very kind.
嗯，其中之一是麦克里夫人非常聪明、可爱、而且非常善良。
She was my sister's fantasy of a mother.
她是我姐姐幻想中的母亲。
And she was my fantasy of an older woman who might fall in love with me, and with any luck at all seduce me.
她是我对一个年长女人的幻想，她可能会爱上我，如果运气好的话，她会引诱我。
So wait, would you talk about it with your mom too?
等等，你也能和你妈妈谈谈吗？
Yeah, my sister started that.
是的，是我姐姐开始的。
I was a little uncomfortable about it.
我对此有点不舒服。
My sister said I think he's got a crush on her.
我姐姐说我觉得他迷恋她。
And I would almost blush, uncomfortably, because I did.
我几乎会脸红，感到不舒服，因为我确实这么做了。
And then your mom would ask you questions.
然后你妈妈会问你问题。
For example, what color hair does she have?
例如，她的头发是什么颜色的？
No, she didn't ask questions like that.
不，她没有问这样的问题。
She never asked questions like that.
她从来没有问过这样的问题。
So what would she ask?
那么她会问什么呢？
Myron Jones She'd say, well, I hope you act right over there.
迈伦·琼斯 她会说，好吧，我希望你就在那儿行动。
What do they think of you?
他们觉得你怎么样？
And then the question she to this day asks, well, what do they think of your mother?
然后她至今都会问的问题是，他们对你母亲的看法如何？
And Carol would say, give the right answer, which is they think you're wonderful, mom.
卡罗尔会说，给出正确的答案，那就是他们认为你很棒，妈妈。
It was a way of having a conversation with her.
这是与她交谈的一种方式。
That's right.
这是正确的。
She liked to hear about fancy people.
她喜欢听一些有魅力的人的事。
She imagined somehow that it would all rub off on Carol.
她想象着这一切都会影响到卡罗尔。
That they'd be a good influence somehow.
他们会以某种方式产生良好的影响。
They'd be a good influence and there might even be some money in it.
他们会产生很好的影响，甚至可能带来一些钱。
Carol also handled-- because she wasn't getting any money from babysitting, she said that Mr. McCreary was taking all the babysitting money and putting it into stocks and bonds.
卡罗尔也处理过——因为她没有从保姆中得到任何钱，她说麦克里先生把所有的保姆钱都拿来投资股票和债券。
Yeah, Carol knew she was going to ask, so she anticipated it.
是的，卡罗尔知道她会问，所以她预料到了。
Carol said, before it could even come up, Carol said Mr. McCreary isn't going to pay me.
卡罗尔说，在这件事出现之前，卡罗尔就说麦克里先生不会付钱给我。
He's going to pay all my babysitting money into stocks and bonds.
他会把我所有的保姆钱都用来投资股票和债券。
My mother didn't know anything about stocks and bonds, and neither did we.
我母亲对股票和债券一无所知，我们也不懂。
But my mother knew that that's what rich people did.
但我母亲知道那是有钱人所做的。
And it was over on the other side of town, the rich side of town.
事情发生在城镇的另一边，城镇富裕的一面。
Right.
正确的。
Myron Jones My mother didn't know anything about that neighborhood.
迈伦·琼斯：我母亲对那个街区一无所知。
She was the oldest of seven children, grew up in a very really poor family.
她是七个孩子中最大的一个，在一个非常贫穷的家庭长大。
My mother had one friend who was middle class, who she'd met when my father was still alive.
我母亲有一位中产阶级朋友，她是在我父亲还活着的时候认识的。
And she influenced my mother.
她影响了我的母亲。
And so did the people that my mother cleaned for.
我母亲为之打扫卫生的人也是如此。
At the end of the summer, it was the last weekend.
暑假即将结束，这是最后一个周末。
And that was near the real change in the McCreary time.
这几乎是麦克雷时代真正的变化。
Well, what happened at the end of the summer?
那么，夏末发生了什么？
We really were exhausted from our summer, from our real summer weekends.
我们真的因为我们的夏天、我们真正的夏天周末而筋疲力尽。
The strenuous work of having fun with your friends.
与朋友一起享受乐趣的艰苦工作。
Yeah, right.
是的，对。
And those times when there was no cottage to go to, and we'd sleep out on the beach, and we were going home, and we headed up the back stairs.
那些时候，没有小屋可去，我们就睡在海滩上，然后回家，然后走上后楼梯。
We always had to go in the back way.
我们总是不得不走后路。
We headed up the back stairs, and we'd go to the second floor.
我们沿着后楼梯走上二楼。
And we could tell before we turned the corner that our mother was outside the door, waiting for us.
在拐过街角之前，我们就知道妈妈正在门外等着我们。
And we turned, and there she was.
我们转身，她就在那里。
And she looked ready to kill.
她看上去已经准备好杀人了。
She looked absolutely furious.
她看起来非常愤怒。
She said well, where you too been?
她说好吧，你也去哪儿了？
And I though, oh, god, she found out all about the summer cottage stuff.
我想，天啊，她发现了所有关于夏季小屋的事情。
And Carol said, you know where we've been, ma, at the McCrearys.
卡罗尔说，妈妈，你知道我们去过哪里，在麦克里家。
And my mother said, oh, yeah.
我妈妈说，哦，是的。
Well, you're a couple of damn liars.
好吧，你们就是两个该死的骗子。
I just got off the phone with Mrs. McCreary.
我刚刚和麦克里夫人通了电话。
She hasn't seen you in weeks.
她已经好几个星期没见到你了。
My brother and I agree, we didn't breathe.
我和我哥哥都同意，我们没有呼吸。
We thought, oh, my god, she's talked to them.
我们想，天哪，她已经和他们谈过了。
And then as quickly, we realized, of course she didn't talk to them.
然后我们很快意识到，她当然没有和他们说话。
Carol got over it immediately, and said, sorry, Ma.
卡罗尔立刻就克服了，她说，对不起，妈妈。
Nice try.
不错的尝试。
We just left the McCrearys 10 minutes ago.
我们十分钟前刚刚离开麦克里家。
Went in the house.
进了屋子。
She didn't say anything to us, we didn't say anything to her.
她没有对我们说什么，我们也没有对她说什么。
And after that, we really stopped talking about the McCrearys.
从那以后，我们就真的不再谈论麦克里夫妇了。
Did she often claimed that she had run into the McCrearys?
她经常声称自己遇到了麦克里夫妇吗？
Yes, that she'd talked to her, that she hadn't seen me.
是的，她和她说话了，但她没有看到我。
She did it so often.
她经常这样做。
She believed this.
她相信这一点。
It was amazing, but she never questioned these things.
这真是太神奇了，但她从来没有质疑过这些事情。
Why do you think she didn't question it?
你认为她为什么没有提出质疑？
I think she wanted it to be true, probably as much as I did.
我想她希望这是真的，可能和我一样。
It's interesting, when you invented-- when you invented them, it's as if you invented them in terms that would reassure your mom.
有趣的是，当你发明它们时，就好像你发明它们的方式可以让你妈妈放心。
Yeah, I probably did.
是的，我可能做到了。
I don't think that-- well, you know, it did.
我不这么认为——嗯，你知道，确实如此。
I'm sure it did occur to me that I wanted a family that would please her.
我确信我确实想过我想要一个能让她高兴的家庭。
Is that because-- is that because it would make her more likely to let you out?
那是因为——那是因为这会让她更有可能让你出去吗？
Or was there a part of it where you also were the kind of kid where you always needed to be reassuring her anyway?
还是在某种程度上，你也是那种总是需要让她放心的孩子？
Oh, I had to constantly reassure her, always.
哦，我必须不断地让她放心，总是如此。
I mean, it isn't something I talk easily about, but she really never liked me.
我的意思是，这不是我轻易谈论的事情，但她真的从来不喜欢我。
That was the problem.
这就是问题所在。
Is your mom still alive?
你妈妈还活着吗？
Myron Jones Yeah.
迈伦·琼斯 是的。
How old are you?
你今年多大？
Myron Jones I'm going to be 70 in another 10 days.
迈伦·琼斯 再过 10 天我就 70 岁了。
So have you ever come clean with her on this?
那么你有向她坦白过这件事吗？
Oh, no, never.
哦，不，从来没有。
Do you want me to make my mother look like a liar?
你想让我让我妈妈看起来像个骗子吗？
In the sense, you already have.
从某种意义上说，你已经拥有了。
It's just a question of whether she's going to know it.
只是她知不知道的问题而已。
Right.
正确的。
No, it never crossed my mind to do it.
不，我从来没有想过这么做。
Are you serious?
你是认真的？
It's never crossed your mind?
你从来没有想过吗？
To tell her?
告诉她？
No, never.
不，从来没有。
Ira Glass Because she wouldn't be able to laugh about it, it sounds like.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：因为听起来她无法笑出来。
Not in any way.
无论如何都不是。
She might simply say that we were lying now, that there were McCrearys and we were just saying that for some reason.
她可能只是说我们现在在撒谎，还有麦克里里斯，我们只是出于某种原因才这么说。
Does it make you sad that you can't have the kind of relationship with your mom, where now that everyone's an adult, you know, you can't come straight with all of it?
无法与妈妈建立那种关系会让你感到悲伤吗？现在每个人都是成年人了，你知道，你不能坦然接受这一切吗？
No, my sister and I-- I think because of, because of going away to school when I was so young-- let me back up a little bit.
不，我姐姐和我——我想是因为，因为我很小的时候就去上学了——让我退缩了一点。
When I was nine, I came home on a Saturday afternoon, and my mother said, I'm sorry you weren't here, because Father Sager, who was an Episcopal priest, was here visiting.
当我九岁的时候，一个星期六下午我回到家，我妈妈说，很抱歉你不在这里，因为圣公会牧师萨格神父来这里拜访。
And he found a very nice orphanage for you.
他为你找到了一所非常好的孤儿院。
And I said, but I'm not an orphan, Ma.
我说，但我不是孤儿，妈妈。
She said, no, I know.
她说，不，我知道。
I told Father Sager that.
我把这件事告诉了塞格神父。
But he said, really you are, because I have to work all the time, and there's no one to take care of you.
但他说，确实是这样，因为我要一直工作，没有人照顾你。
And I said, well, we take care of ourselves.
我说，好吧，我们照顾好自己。
And she said, I need to tell Father Sager that, but he said, not really.
她说，我需要告诉赛格神父这一点，但他说，不是真的。
You go there, it'll be a good place for you.
你去那里，那将是一个适合你的好地方。
You go there.
你去那里。
I was close to-- I was in my 30s before I understood why I went away to school when I was 10.
我当时已经快 30 多岁了，才明白为什么我 10 岁时就去上学了。
I didn't have to.
我没必要这么做。
I could have not gone.
我本来可以不走的。
I could have screwed up the test.
我可能会搞砸测试。
I could have gone and gotten kicked out right away.
我本来可以立即离开并被赶出去的。
I knew that.
我知道这一点。
One of the things that our mother did with us, from the time we were very young.
这是我们母亲从我们很小的时候就和我们一起做的事情之一。
I can't remember before, but I know before I went to school, my mother used to say to us, when your father died, everybody told me to put the two of you in an orphanage.
我不记得以前的事了，但我知道在我上学之前，我妈妈常常对我们说，当你父亲去世时，每个人都告诉我把你们两个送进孤儿院。
I didn't, and that was the biggest mistake of my life.
我没有，这是我一生中最大的错误。
So when the day came, I came home, and she said, Father Sager found an orphanage for you, what I really did was say, you've been threatening me with this all my life, and now, damn it, I'm going to go.
所以当那一天到来时，我回到家，她说，赛格神父为你找到了一家孤儿院，我真正做的是说，你一生都用这个威胁我，现在，该死的，我要走了。
Yeah.
是的。
Myron Jones And it felt safer.
迈伦·琼斯 感觉更安全了。
I was scared as hell.
我吓坏了。
I was one of two kids in the sixth grade.
我是六年级的两个孩子之一。
The other kid never showed up.
另一个孩子始终没有出现。
I went to all classes alone for six weeks.
我一个人去上了六个星期的所有课程。
And after six weeks, I went home.
六周后，我回家了。
And I was-- it was late October, already dark in Buffalo, and around supper time.
那是十月底，布法罗已经天黑了，大约在晚饭时间。
And I was walking down the street, and I loved my neighborhood.
我走在街上，我喜欢我的邻居。
I knew everybody.
我认识每个人。
I looked, and the lights were on, thinking it's warm in there.
我看了看，灯亮着，觉得里面很暖和。
That's people-- that's Sonny Calucci's house.
那是人们——那是桑尼·卡鲁奇的房子。
That's his house.
那是他的房子。
They're in there.
他们就在那里。
And I have a house too.
而且我也有房子了。
I go to school now, but I have a house too.
我现在上学了，但我也有房子了。
And I'm almost there.
我快到了。
And I walked in the door, and I started to hug my mother.
我走进门，开始拥抱妈妈。
And my mother put out her hand to hold me back, and said, now, let me ask you a question.
And my mother put out her hand to hold me back, and said, now, let me ask you a question.
When you're up there at that fancy school, do you ever think about your mother, lying here in bed, crying her eyes out every single night?
当你在那所高档学校里时，你有没有想过你的母亲，每天晚上躺在床上，哭得眼泪汪汪？
You ever think about that?
你有想过吗？
Nah, you never think about anybody but yourself.
Nah, you never think about anybody but yourself.
And I literally from that moment on have never asked my mother for anything, never looked to her for anything.
从那一刻起，我就再也没有向妈妈要过任何东西，也没有向她寻求过任何东西。
How old were you then?
那时你几岁？
Myron Jones I was 10.
迈伦·琼斯，我 10 岁。
Through the years, I have truly envied him that he has been able to do that, and that I have been unable to do that, not believing that I'm going to get anything from her.
这些年来，我真的很羡慕他能做到这一点，而我却做不到，不相信我能从她身上得到什么。
I know I haven't.
我知道我没有。
But I have never, I haven't been able to this moment to just take her out of my life completely.
但我从来没有能够在这一刻将她完全从我的生活中剔除。
I'm now seeing her twice a week.
我现在每周见她两次。
I mean, I call her every night, which is all something to do with me.
I mean, I call her every night, which is all something to do with me.
Because she doesn't know that I call her every night.
Because she doesn't know that I call her every night.
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass What do you think you've gotten by being the one caring for her?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：你认为照顾她给你带来了什么？
One time, when I was 35, I lashed out at her in such a way, and told her how I felt about her, and she sat in a chair in the kitchen, and she was crying.
有一次，当我35岁的时候，我以这样的方式猛烈抨击她，并告诉她我对她的感觉，她坐在厨房的椅子上，哭了。
And I had never even seen her cry before.
And I had never even seen her cry before.
And when I finally stopped talking, she said, I did the very best I could.
And when I finally stopped talking, she said, I did the very best I could.
And I thought, oh, my god, she did.
我想，天哪，她做到了。
Her best was so bad.
她最好的成绩却如此糟糕。
Her best was so empty.
她最好的一切都是如此空虚。
But she couldn't do any better.
But she couldn't do any better.
I decided, and it helps me a lot-- I have a great aunt that I just adored, and her mother, my mother's mother, who was wonderful, and my great-grandmother, who I didn't know, but who adored my mother, my mother slept in bed with her, I thought I'm going to do this for the people that loved her, you know, all of the people that really loved this little girl, I'm going to do it for them.
我决定，这对我很有帮助——我有一个我很喜欢的曾姨妈，还有她的母亲，我母亲的母亲，她很棒，还有我的曾祖母，我不认识她，但她很喜欢我的母亲，我的母亲和她睡在床上，我想我会为爱她的人做这件事，你知道，所有真正爱这个小女孩的人，我都会为他们做这件事。
And it feels-- that feels fine to me.
And it feels-- that feels fine to me.
You know what you're describing is you and your sister going off and pretending to babysit for these imaginary kids.
You know what you're describing is you and your sister going off and pretending to babysit for these imaginary kids.
But in fact, you guys had a babysitting job, and it was for your mom.
But in fact, you guys had a babysitting job, and it was for your mom.
That's right.
这是正确的。
My sister was the chief babysitter.
My sister was the chief babysitter.
It's true.
这是真的。
At the time, when you were kids, did you-- when you were kids, did you ever see it that way?
当时，当你们还是孩子的时候，你们当你们还是孩子的时候，有没有这样看过？
Oh, we're taking care of mom.
哦，我们正在照顾妈妈。
She thinks she's taking care of us, but we're taking care of her?
She thinks she's taking care of us, but we're taking care of her?
Oh, yeah.
哦，是的。
There was a kind of humoring her, and placating her.
有一种幽默感，安抚着她。
And when I was about 10, she gave me a first baseman's glove, because I was going to be a major league ball player when I grew up.
当我大约 10 岁的时候，她给了我一只一垒手手套，因为我长大后要成为一名大联盟球员。
And she said, you tell people who gave you the glove?
And she said, you tell people who gave you the glove?
I said yeah.
我说是的。
You tell them how much it cost?
你告诉他们花了多少钱？
I didn't, but I said, yeah.
I didn't, but I said, yeah.
She said, you tell them how long I had to work to buy that?
She said, you tell them how long I had to work to buy that?
I said, yeah.
我说，是的。
She said, you did not.
她说，你没有。
Let's set the record straight.
让我们澄清事实。
Here we go, you're on the radio.
来吧，你在广播中。
How long did your mother have to work to buy you the baseball glove?
你妈妈工作了多长时间才给你买棒球手套？
She had to work a week.
她必须工作一周。
Ira Glass That's a long time.
Ira Glass That's a long time.
Absolutely, I've thought about it since then.
绝对的，从那时起我就一直在思考这个问题。
Have I ever given my kids a present that was worth a week's wages?
我曾经给过我的孩子一份价值相当于一周工资的礼物吗？
No, I haven't.
不，我没有。
Mr. Jones, what would have happened if there hadn't been the McCrearys?
Mr. Jones, what would have happened if there hadn't been the McCrearys?
The McCrearys seemed absolutely inevitable.
麦克里家族似乎是不可避免的。
I never thought about what would happen if they hadn't been there.
I never thought about what would happen if they hadn't been there.
Wow.
哇。
Myron Jones They had to be there.
迈伦·琼斯 他们必须在那里。
I still think we would be in-- let's see, they would be 56, 57 years old now.
I still think we would be in-- let's see, they would be 56, 57 years old now.
I've wondered where they're living, how they're doing?
I've wondered where they're living, how they're doing?
Where do you picture them?
你在哪里想象他们？
Myron Jones I picture them doing very well.
迈伦·琼斯（Myron Jones） 我认为他们做得很好。
And kind of dull now.
现在有点沉闷。
Really.
真的。
Myron Jones Yeah.
迈伦·琼斯 是的。
I don't picture them as being terribly interesting.
I don't picture them as being terribly interesting.
They're more conservative than their parents.
They're more conservative than their parents.
But nice, pleasant, good people.
But nice, pleasant, good people.
I'm afraid I think they're living in Florida.
恐怕我认为他们住在佛罗里达州。
They are, not too far from where you are.
他们就在离你不远的地方。
Myron and Carol said there was no way their mother would ever hear this story on the radio.
Myron and Carol said there was no way their mother would ever hear this story on the radio.
And the fact is she never did.
事实是她从来没有这样做过。
The story was first broadcast in 2001.
这个故事于2001年首次播出。
She died at the age of 95 in 2002.
她于2002年去世，享年95岁。
After she died, Carol told Myron this secret that she had promised her mother she would never tell him.
After she died, Carol told Myron this secret that she had promised her mother she would never tell him.
It turns out her mom didn't actually buy that baseball glove for Myron.
It turns out her mom didn't actually buy that baseball glove for Myron.
Their uncle bought the glove.
他们的叔叔买了手套。
And when it arrived at the house wrapped as a gift, Myron's mom intercepted it, gave it to him, and pretended it was from her all along.
And when it arrived at the house wrapped as a gift, Myron's mom intercepted it, gave it to him, and pretended it was from her all along.
Carol lives in California.
卡罗尔住在加利福尼亚州。
Myron, who was a model of grace and good humor in that interview, died in 2011 at the age of 80.
Myron, who was a model of grace and good humor in that interview, died in 2011 at the age of 80.
Lovely man.
可爱的男人。
[SONG - THE PERFECT NANNY, MARY POPPINS]
[歌曲 - 完美的保姆，玛丽·波平斯]
Today's program of our show was produced by Alex Blumberg and myself, with Blue Chevigny, Jonathan Goldstein, Starlee Kine, Julie Snyder, and Erin Yanke.
我们节目今天的节目由 Alex Blumberg 和我自己制作，还有 Blue Chevigny、Jonathan Goldstein、Starlee Kine、Julie Snyder 和 Erin Yanke。
Our technical director is Matt Tierney.
我们的技术总监是马特·蒂尔尼。
Production up for today's show by BA Parker.
BA Parker 为今天的节目制作。
Quick program note, a couple weeks ago, we had an excerpt from Jon Ronson's new podcast, The Butterfly Effect, on our program.
Quick program note, a couple weeks ago, we had an excerpt from Jon Ronson's new podcast, The Butterfly Effect, on our program.
He has been one of my favorite interviewers anywhere, a wonderful writer.
He has been one of my favorite interviewers anywhere, a wonderful writer.
And his podcast has just been released.
他的播客刚刚发布。
If you want to hear it, it's an audible.com/butterfly.
If you want to hear it, it's an audible.com/butterfly.
Our website, ThisAmericanLife.org.
我们的网站 ThisAmericanLife.org。
This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio Exchange.
《美国生活》由公共广播电台 PRX 向公共广播电台播出。
Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
Thanks as always to our program's co-founder, Mr. Torey Malatia.
He still asks me after every single show, you tell them how much it cost?
He still asks me after every single show, you tell them how much it cost?
You tell them how long I had to work to buy that?
You tell them how long I had to work to buy that?
You did not.
你没有。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
[MUSIC] This American Life This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
[音乐] 《This American Life》 This American Life 与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。