17: Name Change / No Theme - This American Life

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00:00 00:00 文字记录分享此美国生活生活伙伴如何收听剧集推荐关于概述员工公告奖学金工作音乐在路上制作电台常见问题解答提交商品联系我们我们的其他节目商品关注我们生活伙伴订阅我们的时事通讯整集切换音频和文字记录同步文字记录 | 内容第 17 集 | 1996 年 3 月 21 日 17：更名/无主题注：《This American Life》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。

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Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print.

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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago, it's Ira Glass and His Radio Cowboys.

序言 Ira Glass 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，是 Ira Glass 和他的广播牛仔队。

[MUSIC - "BONANZA" BY DAVID ROSE]

[音乐 - 大卫·罗斯的《BONANZA》]

No, that is definitely not good.

不，这绝对不好。

All right.

好的。

Let's try this.

让我们试试这个。

[MUSIC PLAYING] No, not that music.

[音乐播放] 不，不是音乐。

How about this one?

这个怎么样？

[MUSIC PLAYING] From WBEZ Chicago, it's Journey To Whatever.

[音乐播放] 来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《Journey To What》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

From WBEZ Chicago, it's Mouth Noise.

来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《Mouth Noise》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

It's Small Moment from WBEZ Chicago, documenting every little thing in this, our American lives.

这是芝加哥 WBEZ 的小时刻，记录了我们美国生活中的每一件小事。

Hello.

你好。

From WBEZ Chicago, you're listening to Chin Wag Theater.

在 WBEZ 芝加哥，您正在收听 Chin Wag Theater。

It was when I decided that the name of our radio show should no longer be Your Radio Playhouse, a name which I loved, but many people hated.

就在那时，我决定我们的广播节目的名称不应再是“Your Radio Playhouse”，这个我喜欢的名字，但很多人讨厌。

I'll just say, many people hated that title especially public radio program directors, who told me that they already had radio drama.

我只想说，很多人讨厌这个头衔，尤其是公共广播节目导演，他们告诉我他们已经有广播剧了。

And we would explain, "No, no, we don't-- this isn't a radio drama show.

我们会解释说，“不，不，我们不——这不是广播剧节目。

It's 'playhouse' like Pee Wee Herman, 'playhouse' like Pee Wee Herman.

It's a playhouse.

这是一个剧场。

It's a place where people play, but it's also a stage.

这是人们玩耍的地方，同时也是一个舞台。

It's a double meaning."

这是双重含义。”

It was when I decided that the name of this show should be "American" whatever that everyone who I work with decided not only was I wrong, but I was wrong in a profound way that indicated that we could never be friends.

正是当我决定这个节目的名称应该是“美国”时，与我一起工作的每个人都决定不仅我错了，而且我错了，而且是一个深刻的错误，这表明我们永远不可能成为朋友。

We could never truly understand or know each other.

我们永远无法真正理解或了解彼此。

I was wrong in a way that was incomprehensible to the people who I work with every day.

我犯了一个与我每天一起工作的人无法理解的错误。

I'm not here, however, to talk about myself and our little radio show because I believe that we accidentally stumbled onto a broader, more fundamental truth about naming something.

然而，我来这里并不是要谈论我自己和我们的小广播节目，因为我相信我们无意中发现了关于命名某些东西的更广泛、更基本的事实。

Naming a business, a restaurant, a person, a dog.

为一家企业、一家餐馆、一个人、一只狗命名。

Well, not a dog really.

好吧，其实不是狗。

Because people don't care what you name your dog.

因为人们不在乎你给你的狗起什么名字。

It's true of naming everything except for naming a dog.

除了给狗命名之外，给一切事物命名都是如此。

People are unbelievably tolerant of naming a dog.

人们对给狗命名的容忍程度令人难以置信。

You could name your dog "Your Radio Playhouse," and nobody would think twice about it.

And I would send you a free coffee mug or something just for proving me right.

What I learned is that there's something about a name.

Most creative acts that one does in one's life, there's enough content to them, they are longer than the length of a name.

And so when people disagree with each other, they can discuss it.

因此，当人们彼此意见不一致时，他们可以进行讨论。

There's pros and cons.

有优点也有缺点。

There are parts of it that you can dissect.

您可以剖析其中的某些部分。

But a name is so basic.

但名字是如此基本。

It's so undivideable, even if it's got a lot of words in it, that all you get is this visceral, very binary response.

Like it.

喜欢它。

Don't like it.

不喜欢它。

Well, from WBEZ Chicago, this is Glass Works.

嗯，来自芝加哥 WBEZ，这里是 Glass Works。

See, I would need German music actually.

你看，我实际上需要德国音乐。

From WBEZ Chicago, Glasnost.

来自 WBEZ 芝加哥，开放。

That's the most horrifying possibility is that you would end up using your own name.

Well, we did settle on a new name.

好吧，我们确实决定了一个新名字。

And by the way, we have a very unusual show tonight, many unusual things coming up.

In Act Three, David Isaacson with the beginning of this new project where we're having various, very unusual writers and performers give their take on our presidential campaigns.

在第三幕中，大卫·艾萨克森开始了这个新项目，我们有各种各样的、非常不寻常的作家和表演者对我们的总统竞选发表他们的看法。

In Act Two, I don't even want to go into it.

在第二幕中，我什至不想讨论它。

Just stay with us here because the show's going to change a lot.

But anyway, we did settle on a new name.

但无论如何，我们确实决定了一个新名字。

And to discuss the name and all the different names that led to the name, the pre-names, the discarded names, the-- oh, forget it.

To discuss that, I called one of the grand old men of broadcasting.

He's had the longest running talk show in the history of television.

It's in New York.

这是在纽约。

Joe Franklin.

乔·富兰克林。

Yeah.

是的。

Ira Glass It's Ira Glass at the radio show in Chicago.

Right, Ira.

对了，伊拉。

Hold on for one second.

坚持一秒钟。

Yeah, Jimmy?

是吗，吉米？

What color are they, Jimmy?

它们是什么颜色的，吉米？

Black?

黑色的？

Give me 15 minutes, Jimmy.

给我 15 分钟，吉米。

Yes, Ira?

是的，艾拉？

What kind of business are you doing there?

你在那里做什么生意？

Oh, Ira, I sell matzo balls.

哦，艾拉，我卖无酵饼。

Ira Glass And they're black?

Ira Glass：它们是黑色的？

Codfish balls.

鳕鱼丸。

No, a man lost his eyeglasses here.

不，一个人在这里丢了眼镜。

Yeah, what I gotta go through.

是的，我必须经历什么。

What I gotta go through.

我必须经历什么。

And so what do you think of changing the name?

那么您对改名有何看法？

Yeah, in fact, we've announced a name change.

是的，事实上，我们已经宣布更名。

And you were on our first program, giving me advice about having a program which would have some longevity.

Yeah, yeah.

是啊是啊。

We taped that in my office here, was it?

我们把它录在我的办公室里，是吗？

Or in the studio?

还是在工作室？

We did it over the phone.

我们通过电话做到了。

So you were just sitting in your office, and you talked to me over the phone.

I remember that, yeah.

我记得，是的。

Ira Glass And so we thought we'd have you back just to review some of these names.

Ira Glass：所以我们想让您回来回顾其中的一些名字。

I'm ready.

我准备好了。

Ira Glass OK, so let me run a couple of these titles by you.

Ira Glass 好的，让我来介绍一下你写的几部作品。

American Whatever.

美国人随便。

American Whatever?

美国什么的？

Ambiguous, ambiguous.

暧昧，暧昧。

Well, if you want to make a play on your name, I would call it The House of Glass.

And let it be a hotel in the Catskills like Grossinger's, or Concord, or--

让它成为卡茨基尔山的一家酒店，比如格罗辛格酒店、康科德酒店，或者——

Brown's.

布朗的。

Joe Franklin Or Brown's or a bungalow coloneer, what they call a kuchalane.

乔·富兰克林 (Joe Franklin) 或布朗 (Brown) 或平房殖民者，他们称之为 kuchalane。

But I would definitely call it, if you want to play on your name, The House of Glass.

但如果你想用你的名字，我肯定会把它称为“玻璃屋”。

Actually, there were many suggestions especially from our Los Angeles affiliate.

事实上，有很多建议，特别是来自我们洛杉矶分公司的建议。

They were very strong on the idea of Glass House as the title.

他们非常赞成以“玻璃屋”为标题。

Glass House, yeah.

玻璃屋，是的。

House of Glass is a little more erudite, a little more formal.

House of Glass 更博学一点，更正式一点。

But that's up to you.

但这取决于你。

Other names that were suggested, Glasnost, which means "openness" because we're doing new stuff.

建议的其他名称是 Glasnost，意思是“开放”，因为我们正在做新的事情。

Glass Menagerie.

玻璃动物园。

Splendor in the Glass.

玻璃中的辉煌。

You don't seem impressed by any of these.

你似乎对这些都没有印象。

Keep off the Glass.

远离玻璃。

Glass Has Class.

玻璃有品位。

No, those are good.

不，那些都很好。

Like "delicious?" Ira Glass Yes, sir.

比如“好吃吗？”艾拉·格拉斯是的，先生。

Too cutsy, too cutsy.

太小气了，太小气了。

Ira Glass A Million Stories.

艾拉·格拉斯一百万个故事。

Better than the preceding one, yeah, but still not great.

是的，比前一个好，但仍然不是很好。

How about this title, This American Life?

《美国生活》这个标题怎么样？

I would say that's about the best yet.

我想说这是迄今为止最好的。

Better than Your Radio Playhouse anyhow.

无论如何，比你的广播剧场好。

I'm glad you say this because that's actually the one that we chose.

我很高兴你这么说，因为这实际上是我们选择的。

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

是啊，是啊，是啊。

That says it all.

这说明了一切。

That says it all.

这说明了一切。

No, I think anything we start with the word "America"-- the word "America" was the first word?

不，我认为任何我们以“美国”这个词开头的东西——“美国”这个词是第一个词？

No, it's the second one actually.

不，实际上是第二个。

It's not the first one.

这不是第一个。

Well, [UNINTELLIGIBLE] "America" near the beginning.

好吧，[无法辨认]“美国”就在开头。

Near the beginning is good.

刚开始就不错了。

Always, yeah.

总是，是的。

Ira Glass How important is a name?

艾拉·格拉斯名字有多重要？

I would say the name was everything.

我想说，名字就是一切。

Look at Marilyn Monroe.

看看玛丽莲·梦露。

Marilyn Monroe told me that the important thing in a name is to have a vowel sound, an ay, ee, eye, oh, or oo.

玛丽莲·梦露告诉我，名字中最重要的是要有元音，例如 ay、ee、eye、oh 或 oo。

Now what was that again?

那又是什么？

What was your title again?

你的头衔又是什么？

The American?

美国人？

Say it again.

再说一遍。

At least you've got one.

至少你有一个。

You've got the sound "eye," "life," "life." The name is everything.

你听到了“眼睛”、“生命”、“生命”的声音。名字就是一切。

Well, wait.

好吧，等等。

There's an I in "This."

“这个”中有一个我。

But not the ay, eye, oh, oo sound.

但不是“哎、眼睛、哦、哦”的声音。

It's a soft I.

这是一个柔软的我。

It's got to be a hard I like the noun "eye." You know what I'm saying?

这一定很困难，我喜欢“眼睛”这个名词。你知道我在说什么吗？

There's got to be a sound of ay, ee, eye, oh, or you.

必须发出“哎呀”、“哎呀”、“眼睛”、“哦”或“你”的声音。

So wait, so what's a good title under this criterion?

等等，那么在这个标准下，什么是一个好的标题呢？

Well, no, This American Life.

嗯，不，《美国生活》。

At least it ends on a vowel sound.

至少它以元音结尾。

It ends on a vowel.

它以元音结尾。

Does The Joe Franklin Show conform to this rule?

乔·富兰克林秀符合这个规则吗？

Oh, I see.

我懂了。

It's a long vowel.

这是一个长元音。

Joe Franklin "Joe" and "Show," yeah.

乔·富兰克林“乔”和“秀”，是的。

"Tonight Show." "Late Show." You know what I'm saying?

“今晚秀。” 《深夜秀》。你知道我在说什么吗？

"Late." "To--" As long as it's got the ay, ee, eye, oh, or oo sound.

“晚的。” “To--”只要发出 ay、ee、eye、oh 或 oo 的声音即可。

A name like John Smith has got no hard vowel sound, and so it's not that appealing.

像约翰·史密斯这样的名字没有硬元音，所以它没有那么吸引人。

It's always desirable to have vowels in your sounds if you can.

如果可以的话，在你的声音中包含元音总是可取的。

TV talk show host Joe Franklin.

电视脱口秀主持人乔·富兰克林。

He has a book out.

他出了一本书。

He has nostalgic CDs everywhere.

他到处都有怀旧的 CD。

[MUSIC - "HEY, MR. DJ, I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE HAD A DEAL" BY THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS]

[音乐 - “嘿，DJ 先生，我以为你说我们达成了协议”，他们可能是巨人]

Act One, Pier Pressure.

第一幕，码头压力。

Well, last week on this program, as one of our stories about the state of the nation's economy, we did a report about Chicago's Navy Pier, what it cost taxpayers, and what they got out of it.

好吧，上周在这个节目中，作为我们关于国家经济状况的报道之一，我们做了一篇关于芝加哥海军码头的报道，纳税人为此付出了多少代价，以及他们从中得到了什么。

It cost-- if you did not hear our show-- $155 million in taxpayers' money and created, at most, 1,200 jobs, about half of those part-time.

如果您没有听过我们的节目的话，它花费了 1.55 亿美元的纳税人资金，最多创造了 1,200 个工作岗位，其中大约有一半是兼职工作。

That's $130,000 per job.

每份工作的工资为 130,000 美元。

A spokesman for the city said that we should judge the pier by the pleasure that it gives Chicagoans and the overall boost that it gives to tourism, not by the cost per job created.

芝加哥市的一位发言人表示，我们应该根据它给芝加哥人带来的快乐以及它对旅游业的整体推动来判断码头，而不是根据创造的每个就业机会的成本来判断。

But in our report, we also took pains to point out that, by all accounts, the pier has been a huge, huge business success.

但在我们的报告中，我们还煞费苦心地指出，从各方面来看，该码头都取得了巨大的商业成功。

Crowds are twice as big as anyone projected.

人群数量是任何人预计的两倍。

Over 3 million people in the first six months.

前六个月就有超过 300 万人。

The stores and restaurants on the pier say that they're doing well by and large.

码头上的商店和餐馆表示，总体来说经营状况良好。

But two days after our broadcast, the news broke that Navy Pier is, in fact, losing money, at least the city agency that runs the pier is.

但在我们播出两天后，有消息称海军码头实际上正在亏损，至少运营该码头的城市机构是这样。

And they're losing a lot of money.

他们正在损失很多钱。

$9 million in the pier's first eight months of business.

码头开业前八个月的营业额为 900 万美元。

Because of this, Navy Pier has announced that it will lay off one-fourth of its full-time staff and do other cost cutting.

因此，海军码头宣布将解雇四分之一的全职员工，并进行其他成本削减。

We have put in several requests over the course of this week to speak with the head of the pier, James Reilly, or another pier spokesperson.

本周，我们已多次提出与码头负责人詹姆斯·赖利 (James Reilly) 或另一位码头发言人交谈的请求。

We wanted to ask what was going wrong.

我们想问问到底出了什么问题。

How could they be doing such gangbuster business and still lose money?

生意这么火爆，怎么可能还亏损呢？

With over 3 million visitors, the city is losing $2 to $3 per visitor.

该市拥有超过 300 万游客，每位游客的损失为 2 至 3 美元。

And this at a place that charges $16 to park.

而且停车费是 16 美元。

All this week, the public relations office at Navy Pier has promised an interview.

整个星期，海军码头的公共关系办公室都承诺接受采访。

But in the end, this did not happen.

但最终，这并没有发生。

The closest we can get to finding out why the pier is losing all this money is in Crain's Chicago Business.

我们最能找出码头亏损原因的地方是《克雷恩的芝加哥商业》。

There, the head of the Pier Authority, Mr. Reilly, said the losses had to do with opening delays and what the paper called "first year inefficiencies." It did not go into details.

码头管理局局长赖利表示，造成的损失与开业延误以及该报所说的“第一年效率低下”有关。它没有详细说明。

And we have one other amendment to last week's story on Navy Pier.

我们对上周海军码头的报道还有另一项修正。

When I came into work after the story aired, one of my fellow staffers here at Chicago's public radio station, this was Aaron Freeman, told me that in our coverage about the economics of Navy Pier, we had missed the main point of what makes the pier so worthwhile to Chicago taxpayers.

故事播出后，当我上班时，我在芝加哥公共广播电台的一位同事亚伦·弗里曼告诉我，在我们对海军码头经济的报道中，我们忽略了使该码头对芝加哥纳税人如此有价值的要点。

And at the end of the workday, he loaded his two twin girls into their special wide-load double stroller.

一天工作结束后，他将两个双胞胎女儿装进了特制的宽载双人婴儿车。

The radio station is located midway down Navy Pier.

该广播电台位于海军码头的中间。

And we headed out into the promenade, so he could show me what he was talking about.

我们前往海滨长廊，这样他就可以向我展示他在说什么。

If you're a parent, for families, this place is just the best place in the city of Chicago to bring your kids.

如果您是父母，对于家庭来说，这里是芝加哥市带孩子的最佳去处。

Because no matter when you come down here, what time of day, your children will be amused.

因为无论您什么时候来到这里，一天中的什么时间，您的孩子都会觉得很有趣。

So how often do you bring your kids here?

那么您多久带孩子来这里一次？

They come here at least twice a week.

他们每周至少来这里两次。

I work down here, so I bring them down here at least twice a week.

我在这里工作，所以我每周至少带他们来这里两次。

But I tell you, a lot of times, if I can't think of anything else to do, we come down here.

但我告诉你，很多时候，如果我想不出其他事可做，我们就来这里。

And they just run around.

他们只是到处跑。

They run around from store to store.

他们从一家商店跑到另一家商店。

It's colorful.

它是丰富多彩的。

They're four.

他们四岁。

So it's colorful.

所以它是丰富多彩的。

There's dolls.

有娃娃啊

There's all kinds of fun colors.

各种有趣的颜色都有。

They love the Omnimax.

他们喜欢 Omnimax。

They had the Serengeti show.

他们举办了塞伦盖蒂表演。

And now they got the big 3D Omnimax.

现在他们有了大型 3D Omnimax。

We haven't seen that yet.

我们还没有看到这一点。

There's bookstores you can go-- like The Children's Museum Shop.

您可以去一些书店，例如儿童博物馆商店。

Even if The Children's Museum is closed, The Children's Museum gift shop, you can kill off half an hour, 45 minutes just looking at the stuff in there.

即使儿童博物馆关门了，儿童博物馆的礼品店，光看里面的东西也可以消磨半小时、45分钟。

We headed to the atrium at the center of the pier.

我们前往码头中央的中庭。

Aaron kept one hand on the stroller and threw the other in a broad sweep of the panorama.

亚伦一只手放在婴儿车上，另一只手扫视着全景。

Now you look around, and there's nothing but great stuff.

现在你环顾四周，除了很棒的东西之外什么也没有。

The Children's Museum.

儿童博物馆。

The Imax.

Imax。

The McDonald's.

麦当劳。

If you're a kid, you can't top this.

如果你是个孩子，你就无法超越这个。

There's toy stores.

有玩具店。

Just imagine.

想象一下。

If you were a four-year-old, you look around here, is this not just a feast?

如果你是一个四岁的孩子，你看看这里，这不就是一场盛宴吗？

If you're four.

Just think back.

回想一下。

It would be fun, sure.

当然，这会很有趣。

Aaron Freeman Well, OK, that's what I'm saying.

亚伦·弗里曼：好吧，这就是我所说的。

Your parent, they are happy here.

你的父母，他们在这里很开心。

And there's stuff for parents to do in the museum.

博物馆里还有适合家长做的事情。

While the kid's running around enjoying all the primary colors, you can go drink, which is always a fun thing to do.

当孩子跑来跑去享受所有原色时，您可以去喝酒，这总是一件有趣的事情。

We headed up to the Crystal Gardens, where, inside a big, glassed-in room, there are palm trees and jumping waters.

我们前往水晶花园，那里有一个大玻璃房间，里面有棕榈树和跳跃的水域。

Literally, streams of water which spurt out and jump from one artificial pond to another.

从字面上看，就是从一个人工池塘喷出并跳到另一个人工池塘的溪流。

As Aaron expounded on how wonderful all this was, I should note for the record that his two small children were not particularly enchanted.

当亚伦阐述这一切是多么美妙时，我应该指出，他的两个小孩并不特别着迷。

It was the end of the day.

那天已经结束了。

They were tired in a way that even $155 million of taxpayers' money cannot alter or change.

他们的疲惫程度是即使纳税人的 1.55 亿美元也无法改变或改变的。

As politicians like to say these days, there are some problems that government can't solve no matter how much money it throws at them.

正如政客们现在喜欢说的那样，有些问题是政府无论投入多少钱都无法解决的。

Diana slept, Artemis was cranky, jumping fountains or not.

戴安娜睡着了，阿耳忒弥斯脾气暴躁，不管是否跳喷泉。

I don't want to come here.

我不想来这里。

Aaron Freeman You don't want to be here?

亚伦·弗里曼：你不想在这里吗？

Where do you want to be?

你想去哪里？

Downstairs.

楼下。

Aaron Freeman Downstairs?

亚伦·弗里曼在楼下吗？

All right.

好的。

So we headed downstairs.

于是我们就下楼了。

When we got to the food court, Artemis perked up a bit.

当我们到达美食广场时，阿尔忒弥斯精神焕发了一些。

You have to get food, Dad.

你必须去买食物，爸爸。

Aaron Freeman Yes, we have to get food.

亚伦·弗里曼是的，我们必须去获取食物。

You want to have some pizza?

你想吃点披萨吗？

I'm going to get my own food.

我要去拿我自己的食物。

Aaron Freeman What are you going to get?

亚伦·弗里曼你会得到什么？

I thought you wanted pizza.

我以为你想吃披萨

I'm going to get oatmeal.

我去买燕麦片

Aaron Freeman Oatmeal?

Turns out oatmeal is not one of the fine dining options at the Navy Pier food court.

事实证明，燕麦片并不是海军码头美食广场的美食选择之一。

Artemis hopped out of the stroller and headed over to Connie's Pizza.

阿耳忒弥斯跳下婴儿车，前往康妮披萨店。

Oatmeal?

麦片？

Woman Working At Connie's Pizza Huh?

在康妮披萨店工作的女人啊？

Do you have oatmeal?

Woman Working At Connie's Pizza What'd you say?

在康妮披萨店工作的女士你说什么？

Do you have oatmeal?

Woman Working At Connie's Pizza Oh no, we don't have oatmeal here.

在康妮披萨店工作的女士哦不，我们这里没有燕麦片。

Aaron ordered a pizza for the kids.

亚伦为孩子们订了一份披萨。

And while we waited the two minutes that it takes to cook, his another daughter, Diana, made a little announcement.

当我们等待做饭所需的两分钟时，他的另一个女儿戴安娜宣布了一个小消息。

I need to show you something.

我需要给你看一些东西。

Aaron Freeman What do you need to show me?

亚伦·弗里曼你需要给我看什么？

Well, I have to get food too though.

好吧，不过我也得去买食物。

OK?

好的？

What do you want to show me?

你想给我看什么？

Diana Well, it's really cool.

戴安娜：嗯，这真的很酷。

Around us, it was pretty empty.

我们周围空无一人。

No special events were taking place at the pier.

码头没有举办特别活动。

But there were other families, kids run around, it was relaxed.

但还有其他家庭，孩子们跑来跑去，很放松。

Diana and Artemis goofed around, got into a tiny spat or two, then played some more.

戴安娜和阿耳忒弥斯闲逛，发生了一两次小口角，然后又玩了一会儿。

When the food arrived, Aaron had them do their regular family ritual, the blessings over the food.

当食物到达时，亚伦让他们进行常规的家庭仪式，即对食物的祝福。

I know.

我知道。

[GIRLS SAYING THE JEWISH PRAYER OVER BREAD]

[女孩们一边吃面包一边做犹太祈祷]

"What's it worth," Aaron asked me, "to have a place like this for families in the city.

“这有什么价值，”亚伦问我，“为城市里的家庭提供这样一个地方。

How do you want the city to spend taxpayers' money?" After they ate, another family ritual.

你希望市政府如何花纳税人的钱？”吃完饭后，又是一场家庭仪式。

The kids run each piece of trash to the garbage can, one piece at a time.

孩子们把每件垃圾都扔进垃圾桶，一次一件。

Daddy.

爸爸。

Aaron Freeman Are you having fun?

亚伦·弗里曼你玩得开心吗？

Good.

好的。

OK, here you go.

好的，给你。

You seem to be nervous about the 20 feet, 25 feet over to the trash.

你似乎对距离垃圾箱 20 英尺、25 英尺远感到紧张。

Now you see, there's a closer trash can, but they like running.

现在你看，有一个更近的垃圾桶，但他们喜欢跑步。

They're young.

他们很年轻。

They haven't learned about this conservation of energy thing.

他们还没有了解能量守恒定律。

By the time he puts them in the car, Aaron says, they'll be exhausted, ready to go to sleep, down for the night.

亚伦说，当他把他们放进车里时，他们已经精疲力尽，准备睡觉了，准备过夜。

What parent is going to complain about that?

哪个家长会抱怨这个？

After the trash is thrown away, Aaron wants to buy them ice cream, but Diana remembers there's one bit of unfinished business.

垃圾扔掉后，亚伦想给他们买冰淇淋，但戴安娜记得还有一点未完成的事情。

And then you guys could go with me to see the surprise?

然后你们可以和我一起去看看惊喜吗？

What is the surprise?

Diana If I told you, it won't be a surprise, silly.

戴安娜：如果我告诉你，你就不会感到惊讶，傻瓜。

So we gather our things, and we follow Diana to the surprise.

于是我们收拾好东西，跟着戴安娜一起去发现惊喜。

We had passed the food court and through the McDonald's, which has a special space age decor with lots of lights and colors.

我们经过了美食广场和麦当劳，那里有一种特殊的太空时代装饰，有很多灯光和色彩。

Dad says that all of these things are not the surprises.

爸爸说，所有这些都不是惊喜。

We're not there.

我们不在那儿。

Ira Glass Diana spins around.

艾拉·格拉斯·戴安娜转过身来。

Hey, where did I see it?

It was here somewhere.

Diana runs in that rapid waddle very small children have when they run, through the McDonald's, unable to find her original surprise, when, suddenly, she hears music coming from the hall and waddle-runs toward it pointing.

戴安娜像小孩子一样快速摇摇晃晃地跑过麦当劳，无法找到最初的惊喜，突然，她听到大厅里传来音乐，然后摇摇晃晃地跑向大厅。

Oh, look!

哦，看！

A parade!

That's the surprise I was looking for!

这就是我一直在寻找的惊喜！

There, look!

在那里，看！

It's not a parade, but Pier Pressure, four jazz musicians hired by the pier, playing in an otherwise empty atrium.

这不是游行，而是码头压力乐队（PierPressure），四位受码头雇佣的爵士音乐家，在空荡荡的中庭演奏。

I see a parade!

Look!

看！

That's cool!

这很酷！

Look!

看！

She stands there pointing at the band excitedly, turning to look up at her dad, turning back to the band.

她站在那里，兴奋地指着乐队，转过身来看看她爸爸，又转向乐队。

It's tempting to call this a priceless moment.

人们很容易认为这是一个无价的时刻。

But of course, we know the price.

但当然，我们知道价格。

$155 million, plus the $12 that Aaron's spending on food and treats, plus parking.

1.55 亿美元，加上 Aaron 在食品和零食上花费的 12 美元，以及停车费。

The girls listen happily to the music for a while and then head out for ice cream and the car ride home.

女孩们高兴地听了一会儿音乐，然后出去吃冰淇淋，然后乘车回家。

Come on, buddy.

来吧，伙计。

Act Two: Fan Dance Ira Glass Act Two, Fan Dance.

第二幕：扇子舞艾拉·格拉斯第二幕，扇子舞。

You've probably already seen the footage.

您可能已经看过这段录像了。

There's the courtroom with that grainy, ugly lighting that courtrooms have on TV.

法庭里的灯光像电视里的法庭一样，颗粒状、丑陋。

There's the judge.

There's the usual assortment of disheveled looking men and women in suits who do the business of all courtrooms, lawyers, the jurors, the press, the audience.

法庭上通常都是一群衣冠不整、穿着西装、律师、陪审员、媒体和观众，负责处理所有法庭事务的男女。

And there, among them, a woman in a Star Trek uniform.

其中，有一个穿着《星际迷航》制服的女人。

This was the Whitewater trial.

这就是白水审判。

And the woman in the uniform was on the jury, Barbara Adams is her name.

陪审团中穿制服的女士是她的名字，芭芭拉·亚当斯。

She has since been removed from the jury, and people have snickered all across the country.

此后，她被从陪审团中除名，全国各地的人们都在窃笑。

But one of the most interesting discussions of this juror and of what we are to make of her occurred on the internet, on something called a list serve group, this one about fandom.

但关于这位陪审员以及我们要如何看待她的最有趣的讨论之一发生在互联网上，在一个名为“列表服务组”的组织中，这是一个关于粉丝群体的讨论。

This is fandom, as in fans of TV shows, especially science fiction shows, like Babylon 5, Star Trek, that kind of thing.

这就是粉丝圈，就像电视节目的粉丝一样，尤其是科幻节目，比如《巴比伦五号》、《星际迷航》之类的节目。

This group is devoted to the academic study of what it means to be a fan.

该小组致力于对粉丝的意义进行学术研究。

And on it are fans and academics who post messages to each other.

粉丝和学者在上面互相发布信息。

And the discussion kicked off with one woman who wrote in in disbelief.

讨论是由一位女士开始的，她难以置信地写下了这封信。

"I only saw a brief bit of it on CNN, but it immediately made me want to go and hide somewhere.

“我只在 CNN 上看到了一小部分，但它立即让我想去某个地方躲起来。

There was footage of the juror in ST:TNG uniform--" Star Trek, The Next Generation-- "complete with phaser and assorted gear, I believe.

我相信，有一段陪审员穿着 ST:TNG 制服的镜头——《星际迷航，下一代》——配备了移相器和各种装备。

And upon seeing the bank of news cameras, this juror gave them the Vulcan salute.

当看到一排新闻摄像机时，这位陪审员向他们行了瓦肯礼。

Am I getting this correctly?

我的理解正确吗？

Can anybody fill in some of the blanks?

有人可以填补一些空白吗？

Am I wrong for being embarrassed for Trek fandom in general?

我为 Trek 粉丝群体感到尴尬是否有错？

I mean, as far as providing a handy, digestible image for vast tracts of cable-watching America of the fan as crazed, detached from reality, lunatic nerd, that picture seemed worth a thousand words.

我的意思是，就为广大收看有线电视的美国球迷提供一个方便易懂的形象而言，他们是疯狂的、脱离现实的、疯狂的书呆子，这张照片似乎值一千字。

Anybody else even see this?

还有其他人看到这个吗？

Or have I been breathing too many photocopy fumes again?"

还是我又吸入了太多复印烟雾？”

What's so interesting is her horror.

有趣的是她的恐惧。

She was horrified in the way that you're horrified when you see a member of your own family do something strange in public.

她感到震惊，就像你看到自己的家人在公共场合做出奇怪的事情时感到震惊一样。

Other people wrote in and reassured her that, yes, this was real.

其他人写信向她保证，是的，这是真的。

Here's one.

这是一个。

"The woman did come fully dressed with phaser as an alternate juror.

“这位女士确实穿着盛装，戴着移相器作为候补陪审员。

The first day, the pictures showed her as a curiosity.

第一天，照片显示她很好奇。

And a day or two later, however, the journalists could not resist asking her what it was all about.

然而一两天后，记者们忍不住问她这到底是怎么回事。

She said very politely that she was the commander of a local starship, a Star Trek group in Little Rock, that she wore her uniform to all formal occasions to remind the general public of the meaning of Star Trek.

她很有礼貌地说，她是当地一艘星际飞船的指挥官，是小石城的一个星际迷航小组的指挥官，她在所有正式场合都穿着她的制服，以提醒广大公众星际迷航的意义。

I think the reporters were probably laughing at first.

我想记者们一开始可能是在笑。

But then the last article I read said that she was an excellent juror, very serious, took copious notes.

但我读到的最后一篇文章说她是一位优秀的陪审员，非常认真，做了很多笔记。

The reason she was dismissed was that the reporters had asked her outside the courthouse about the uniform.

她被解雇的原因是记者在法院外向她询问制服的事。

And although there was a gag order on the trial, she felt it was OK to talk since Star Trek had nothing to do with the trial.

尽管审判中有禁言令，但她觉得说话是可以的，因为《星际迷航》与审判无关。

She only gave them a short, polite answer, so, she said, they'd leave her alone.

她只给了他们一个简短而礼貌的回答，所以，她说，他们不会打扰她。

The judge says that she'd violated the gag order and dismissed her.

法官称她违反了禁言令并解雇了她。

The article seemed to indicate that she got a bum deal."

这篇文章似乎表明她得到了一笔不菲的交易。”

I had mixed feelings reading about it.

读到它，我的心情很复杂。

I once had a student in a group Comm class I was teaching do the exact same thing.

我曾经在我教的小组通信课上有一个学生做了完全相同的事情。

Every class, he showed up in his uniform.

每次上课，他都穿着校服出现。

At first, people sniggered.

起初，人们窃笑。

But he was very polite.

And the uniform gave him self-confidence, I think.

我认为制服给了他自信。

Eventually, everyone in class accepted it, as much as they accepted African-American and religious symbols, and they even used him as an expert on a mock group exercise.

They had to figure out in a group process how to equip a spaceship for a long journey.

他们必须在集体过程中弄清楚如何装备一艘宇宙飞船进行长途旅行。

People started to weigh in, saying that no, they should not be embarrassed at all as Star Trek fans.

人们开始发表意见，说不，作为《星际迷航》的粉丝，他们根本不应该感到尴尬。

One wrote, "Embarrassed for Trek fandom?

其中一位写道：“为《星际迷航》粉丝感到尴尬？

I was proud of the uniform-clad, Whitewater would-be juror." "She said she always wears her uniform to formal events.

我为这位身穿制服、怀特沃特的未来陪审员感到自豪。” “她说她总是穿着制服参加正式活动。

Frankly, I'd rather be associated with Trekkers than with the Governor of Arkansas or any of the garbage that apparently goes down in Little Rock.

The juror looked a lot less stupid than two-thirds of the past and present Clinton administrations."

这位陪审员看起来比过去和现在的克林顿政府中三分之二的人要愚蠢得多。”

And a man named Henry Jenkins posted a note to the group.

一位名叫亨利·詹金斯 (Henry Jenkins) 的男子向该小组发布了一条信息。

He is the director of film and media studies at MIT and author of two books about fandom.

他是麻省理工学院电影和媒体研究主任，也是两本有关粉丝群体的书的作者。

The latest is called Science Fiction Audiences, Watching Star Trek and Doctor Who.

最新的节目称为科幻小说观众，观看《星际迷航》和《神秘博士》。

He says that as someone who's been a fan for 20 years, he's often thought there are strong analogies between the way that gays and lesbians deal with these kinds of issues and the way the fan community does.

He talked about the politics of cultural preference, people who feel strong attachment to certain things in the culture, as being similar to the politics of sexual preference.

We asked him if he'd go into a radio studio in Boston and read some of his posting for us.

我们问他是否愿意去波士顿的一家广播电台并为我们阅读他的一些帖子。

And he was gracious enough to agree.

他很仁慈地同意了。

I've often thought there are strong analogies to be drawn between the queer community's politics of sexual preference and the fan community's politics of cultural preference.

From the point of view of mundane culture, both groups provoke discomfort concerning their scandalous taste and shocking behavior.

从世俗文化的角度来看，这两个群体都因其可耻的品味和令人震惊的行为而引起不适。

One often hears people speak of "coming out" as a fan or "being closeted" at work.

人们经常听到人们谈论作为粉丝“出柜”或在工作中“出柜”。

Fans often hide their cultural preferences, afraid of what their office mates might think about their hobbies, their friends, their creative accomplishments, or how they spend their weekends.

I've known many fans who've had to hide fanzines from unsympathetic eyes or lie to their spouses about going to a convention.

我认识很多粉丝，他们不得不把粉丝杂志藏起来，以免遭到冷漠的目光，或者对他们的配偶撒谎说要去参加大会。

And most of us have been snickered at and subjected to endless harangues in the popular media.

我们大多数人都曾被大众媒体嘲笑并遭受过无休无止的长篇大论。

We have our own terminological disputes, rejecting the outsider term "Trekkie," with its historic ties to groupie, for the insider term "Trekker," with its positive connotations of active participation.

That's why many of us automatically cringed when we saw pictures of the Whitewater juror in her Starfleet uniform.

这就是为什么当我们看到白水陪审员穿着星际舰队制服的照片时，我们中的许多人都会自动感到畏缩。

But in his posting on the internet, Jenkins wrote that he rethought this position when he thought about his analogy to queer politics.

但詹金斯在互联网上的帖子中写道，当他思考与酷儿政治的类比时，他重新思考了这个立场。

It seems to me that an awful lot of what we do in the fan community has strong parallels with some of the debates that occur in the communities surrounding gays and lesbians.

There's a debate going on there right now that's often labeled "the place at the table debate" because it grows out of Bruce Bowers' book A Place at the Table.

The central issue is, on the gay community, on the one hand, Bower is arguing that gays should assimilate, that they should downplay transgressive behaviors.

That they should mainstream themselves, that they should try to appear like other people.

他们应该把自己纳入主流，他们应该努力表现得像其他人一样。

They should mainstream themselves.

他们应该把自己纳入主流。

Exactly.

确切地。

They shouldn't be parading around in drag, or in leather on Gay Pride parades, and so forth.

他们不应该在同性恋骄傲游行中穿着变装或皮革服装到处游行等等。

That they should try to fit in, and then they might gain acceptance that way.

他们应该尝试融入，然后他们可能会以这种方式获得接受。

The problem, of course, is that that pushes the queer community into doing the dirty work for the family values folks.

当然，问题在于，这迫使酷儿群体为注重家庭价值观的人做肮脏的工作。

You seek acceptance by policing your own ranks and by saying what's normal and what's not.

你通过监督自己的队伍并说出什么是正常的、什么是不正常的来寻求接受。

And the argument goes that one's only free as a community when even the most extreme behavior is allowed to express itself.

该论点认为，只有当最极端的行为被允许表达时，一个人作为一个群体才是自由的。

And I think if we read the fan's behavior by those standards, that is, as an expression of her cultural preferences, then we have to defend her right to wear the uniform and respect the courage in confronting the public ridicule that surrounded her action.

Her choice represents a new kind of fan identity politics, as you would, that we're tired of being told by William Shatner and others to get a life.

We're tired of being stereotyped as living in our parents' basement.

我们厌倦了生活在父母地下室的刻板印象。

In fact, we are a wide variety of people who happen to believe in the cultural power of television and of all art to change the way we think about the universe.

So what's exciting about the fan's behavior is that she wasn't afraid.

所以这位粉丝的行为令人兴奋的是她并不害怕。

She didn't hide.

她没有隐藏。

She asserted very publicly who she was and what her commitments were.

她非常公开地宣称自己是谁以及她的承诺是什么。

And I see it as striking a blow for the dignity of fans, particularly given how thoughtful, moderate, and articulate she happened to be.

我认为这对粉丝的尊严是一次打击，特别是考虑到她是多么体贴、温和和善于表达。

Did you cringe a little bit when you saw her?

当你看到她的时候，你有没有有点畏缩？

When I first saw it, I did.

当我第一次看到它时，我就这么做了。

But as I started to think through this issue, I started to think, "Why am I cringing?

但当我开始思考这个问题时，我开始思考：“为什么我会感到畏缩？

Why am I ashamed?" I've written two books on Star Trek fan culture.

我为什么感到羞耻？”我写了两本关于《星际迷航》粉丝文化的书。

I have a very strong commitment to the idea that it is one of the important participatory cultures of our time, that it is one way people have of talking back to television, of taking control of their own lives, and creating their own culture from the materials they borrow from the mass media.

我坚信，它是我们这个时代重要的参与性文化之一，它是人们对电视顶嘴、控制自己生活、利用从大众媒体借来的材料创造自己文化的一种方式。

So I shouldn't be ashamed, in fact, to see it projected even in the most public and political of spaces.

因此，事实上，即使在最公共和最政治的空间中看到它的投影，我也不应该感到羞耻。

Well, I think increasingly it means what it is to be an American in this digital age, that is, if we look at-- Harris tells us that more than 53% of the American public consider themselves to be Star Trek fans.

That means an awful lot of those are not people who wear rubber Spock ears and overly tight velour uniforms, that they are people who represent the full range of American life.

这意味着他们中的很多人并不是戴着橡胶斯波克耳朵和过于紧身的丝绒制服的人，而是代表了美国生活的方方面面。

And as we begin to move online as a society, it seems abundantly clear that television fandom becomes a central motivation that gets people to participate in the digital realm, that is, what are we going to talk about when we go online and have the possibility of talking to people from around the country and around the world?

当我们作为一个社会开始走向网络时，很明显电视迷成为人们参与数字领域的核心动力，也就是说，当我们上网并有可能与来自全国和世界各地的人们交谈时，我们要谈论什么？

We're not going to talk about my aunt Agatha who you and the people in Chicago have never heard of before.

我们不会谈论我的姑姑阿加莎，你和芝加哥的人们以前从未听说过她。

We're going to talk about people, and images, and stories that we share in common.

我们将讨论我们共同的人物、图像和故事。

And those images, in all likelihood, are going to come from national or even internationally circulated shows like Star Trek.

这些图像很可能来自国内甚至国际上流传的节目，例如《星际迷航》。

So the point is that national media provides the fan community with a way of telling its own stories, of framing its own identities which allows it to speak to each other across all kinds of isolation we face as a society.

因此，关键在于，国家媒体为粉丝群体提供了一种讲述自己故事、塑造自己身份的方式，使其能够在我们作为一个社会面临的各种孤立中相互对话。

Henry Jenkins is director of film and media studies at MIT.

亨利·詹金斯是麻省理工学院电影和媒体研究主任。

He spoke with us from WBUR in Boston.

他在波士顿的 WBUR 与我们进行了交谈。

And we close our virtual visit with him with one last reading from his internet posting.

我们最后读了他在网上发布的帖子，结束了对他的虚拟访问。

Now the most interesting aspect of the story is not that she wore her uniform to the court, but that she got selected despite, or perhaps even because, she wore the uniform.

现在这个故事最有趣的方面不是她穿着制服去法庭，而是尽管她穿着制服，甚至可能因为她穿着制服，她还是被选中了。

Jury selection in a high-profile case like Whitewater has become an increasingly exact science.

像白水事件这样备受瞩目的案件中陪审团的选择已经成为一门越来越精确的科学。

Experts make recommendations to lawyers based on a body of stereotypes about how different social groups are likely to respond to certain kinds of cases or arguments.

专家们根据关于不同社会群体可能如何应对某些类型的案件或争论的一系列刻板印象向律师提出建议。

Blacks are good for the defense, white men are good for the prosecution, and so forth.

黑人有利于辩护，白人有利于控方，等等。

But there probably never needed to be a grid for fans as a social group before.

但以前可能从来不需要为粉丝作为一个社交群体建立一个网格。

So what stereotypes of fans did the experts draw upon in assessing this particular juror?

那么，专家们在评估这位特定的陪审员时，对粉丝的刻板印象是怎样的呢？

When I first saw her picture in the paper, as she was awaiting jury selection, my immediate response was that she'd never get picked.

当我第一次在报纸上看到她的照片时，当时她正在等待陪审团的选择，我的第一反应是她永远不会被选中。

Neither the prosecution nor the defense would find her acceptable because, as a Trekker, she would be seen as too aberrant, too unpredictable, too abnormal and excessive.

控方和辩方都不会认为她是可以接受的，因为作为一名徒步旅行者，她会被视为太反常、太不可预测、太不正常和过度。

Instead, I suspect a different stereotype clicked into place, the notion that fans are gullible, easily led, easily manipulated.

相反，我怀疑这是一种不同的刻板印象，即粉丝容易受骗、容易被引导、容易被操纵。

Both sets of lawyers probably thought that they could control her with their rhetoric.

两方律师大概都认为可以用言辞来控制她。

After all, if she can't tell the difference between a TV show and real life, she's a pushover for whatever arguments they wanted to make.

毕竟，如果她分不清电视节目和现实生活之间的区别，那么无论他们想提出什么论点，她都会被轻易接受。

The woman we saw interviewed on television news, however, fits neither stereotype.

然而，我们在电视新闻中看到的接受采访的女性并不符合这两种刻板印象。

She was thoughtful, moderate, and articulate.

她深思熟虑、温和、善于表达。

She also happens to be a Star Trek fan.

她也恰好是《星际迷航》的粉丝。

Get used to it.

习惯它。

The whole case is, as Mr. Spock would say, fascinating.

正如斯波克先生所说，整个案件非常有趣。

Well, we move on to another kind of fandom when our program continues.

好吧，当我们的节目继续进行时，我们就会转向另一种粉丝圈。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Act Two continues.

第二幕继续。

So let's say it's not Star Trek that shapes your identity.

假设塑造你身份的不是《星际迷航》。

Let's say it's G.I.

假设这是 G.I.

Joe.

乔.

When Cindy Patton was nine, after lots of hinting around to her family, she was given a G.I.

辛迪·巴顿 (Cindy Patton) 九岁时，经过多次向家人暗示，她获得了退伍军人资格。

Joe Christmas.

乔圣诞节。

Next to her collection of incredibly detailed Matchbox cars, it was her favorite toy.

除了她收藏的极其精致的火柴盒汽车之外，这是她最喜欢的玩具。

But after three idyllic years with G.I.

但在与《G.I.》度过了三年田园诗般的时光之后。

Joe, her mother started to get worried about certain tendencies she was noticing in Cindy.

她的母亲乔开始担心她在辛迪身上注意到的某些倾向。

And at Christmas, Cindy only got clothes, only dresses in fact.

在圣诞节，辛迪只得到了衣服，事实上只有裙子。

My mother and my sister, at one point, looked at me.

我的母亲和姐姐有一次看着我。

And my mother said in this tone that now seems-- I can just hear it.

我母亲用现在看来的语气说——我只能听到。

"This year, we're going to make you into a little lady." But my response at the time-- I was a very calculating little child-- my response at the time was, "I can outlast this." And I figured about six more years and I would be off to college, and then I could do whatever I wanted.

“今年，我们要把你打造成一个小淑女。”但我当时的反应——我是一个非常精于算计的小孩——我当时的反应是，“我能熬过这一切。”我想再过六年，我就可以上大学了，然后我就可以做任何我想做的事了。

In college, Cindy came out as gay.

大学时，辛迪公开承认自己是同性恋。

Now she's a professor at Temple University, writes a lot about gay issues.

现在她是天普大学的教授，写了很多关于同性恋问题的文章。

But at some point in her mid-20s, she became sort of obsessed with getting her favorite toys back from her parents.

但在她二十多岁的某个时候，她开始痴迷于从父母那里拿回她最喜欢的玩具。

I describe it as this quest to get them back because my parents kept, on varying pretexts, preventing me from taking these toys.

我将其描述为一种想把它们找回来的追求，因为我的父母一直以各种借口阻止我拿走这些玩具。

Now I had taken a few other stuffed animals and things like that.

现在我还拿了一些其他的毛绒动物之类的东西。

So it wasn't like they were trying to prevent me from taking toys in general.

所以他们并不是想阻止我拿走一般的玩具。

But these particular toys seemed to be unable to leave my parents' home.

但这些特殊的玩具似乎无法离开我父母的家。

I flew down at one point.

我一度飞落下来。

And that time, I think, my mother said, "Oh, the planes are really crowded, and you can only take so many things on.

我想，那一次，我妈妈说：“哦，飞机上真的很拥挤，你只能带这么多东西。

And so you can't take these toys.

所以你不能拿走这些玩具。

We'll come visit you and bring them." And of course, when they came to visit, they had forgotten to bring them.

我们会来看你并带他们来。”当然，当他们来拜访时，他们忘记了带它们。

And this went on for several years.

这种情况持续了好几年。

And I finally sent this very no-ifs-ands-or-buts letter, basically saying, "Send me my toys."

我最终寄出了这封非常没有如果和或但是的信，基本上是说，“把我的玩具寄给我。”

My nephews were given various toys of mine to play with.

我的侄子们得到了我的各种玩具玩。

And they were not very careful.

而且他们也不是很小心。

And so I'd become alarmed, and I felt intruded upon or betrayed in some way by having these toys of mine given to my nephews.

所以我变得警觉起来，因为我把这些玩具送给了我的侄子，我感觉在某种程度上受到了侵犯或背叛。

It was, of course, under the guise of, "Your sister doesn't have very much money.

当然，这是打着“你姐姐没有多少钱”的幌子。

And you have these toys.

你有这些玩具。

They might as well get used."

他们也可能会习惯。”

But I think it was also about-- or at least in my mind anyway, there was something about the toys finding their way into the appropriate gender's hands.

但我认为这也与——或者至少在我看来，玩具最终落入适当性别的手中有关。

That somehow, as a girl child, that I had not used these toys in the appropriate way or something, that there had been something wrong about my relation to them that would be recuperated by them having boy children having them, and using them, and playing with them.

不知何故，作为一个女孩，我没有以适当的方式使用这些玩具或其他什么，我与它们的关系出了问题，而这些问题可以通过让男孩拥有它们、使用它们、和它们玩耍来修复。

At some point, Cindy Patton noticed how urgently she wanted those toys back from her parents.

在某个时候，辛迪·巴顿注意到她多么迫切地想从父母那里拿回这些玩具。

And she started to remember things about the toys that she had forgotten, how she'd cared for them meticulously, always returning G.I.

她开始记起那些被她遗忘的玩具，以及她如何精心照料它们，总是把它们归还给 G.I.。

Joe to his box after playing with him, keeping track of every accessory, every instruction sheet.

乔和他玩完后回到他的盒子，跟踪每一个配件，每一张说明书。

Her Matchbox cars were like new after years of playing with them.

她的火柴盒汽车在使用多年后就像新的一样。

The doors still worked, steering wheels still turned.

车门仍然可以工作，方向盘仍然转动。

I think in a way, though I keep calling it obsessive compulsive, it's less about some sort of obsessive compulsive desire than it is about a kind of ritual of preservation.

我认为在某种程度上，尽管我一直称其为强迫症，但与其说它是某种强迫症的欲望，不如说它是一种保存仪式。

I wonder whether when I was a kid, I realized that I wasn't going to get away with this, this not really being a girl.

我想知道当我还是个孩子的时候，我是否意识到我无法摆脱这个，这不是一个真正的女孩。

And so that I was very, very careful to keep very, very good care of these particular toys.

所以我非常非常小心地保管好这些特殊的玩具。

I generally took good care of my toys, but I was especially detailed in taking care of these toys.

我一般都很爱护我的玩具，但在爱护这些玩具时我特别细致。

It was almost like a kind of meditation.

这几乎就像一种冥想。

The toys themselves and this particular obsession I had for retrieving them from my family really made me recognize the complexity of my own gender structure and probably gender structures in general.

玩具本身以及我对从家人那里取回它们的特殊痴迷确实让我认识到我自己的性别结构以及一般性别结构的复杂性。

What she realized was that she wanted this part of her past that was "boy," where she was like a boy.

她意识到她想要她过去的这部分“男孩”，在那里她就像一个男孩。

And the reason why this was such a revelation was that she was of the generation of lesbians who came of age in the 1970s.

这件事之所以如此引人注目，是因为她属于 20 世纪 70 年代的女同性恋一代。

The so-called lesbian feminists, who wanted to do away with the old lesbian order in which some women were more butch, more like men, and some were femme, more like women.

所谓的女同性恋女权主义者，想要废除旧的女同性恋秩序，在这种秩序中，有些女性更男性化，更像男性，而有些女性则更女性化，更像女性。

They wanted to move towards a neutral non-gender.

他们想要走向中立的非性别。

This idea is actually out of fashion now among younger lesbians.

这种想法现在在年轻女同性恋中实际上已经过时了。

Butch and femme are back and back with a vengeance.

布奇和女人复仇地回来了。

But seeing then how much she wanted G.I.

但看看当时她是多么想要《特种部队》。

Joe, her old G.I.

乔，她的老大兵。

Joe, and her Matchbox cars was what made Cindy Patton realize she thought that she wasn't this neutral, non-gender person.

乔和她的火柴盒汽车让辛迪·巴顿意识到她认为自己不是一个中立、无性别的人。

She realized that she thought of herself more as a boy.

她意识到她更多地将自己视为一个男孩。

Finally, the package came.

终于，包裹来了。

I was in shock.

我很震惊。

I couldn't believe that it had finally come.

我简直不敢相信它终于来了。

My heart was beating.

我的心在跳动。

And I think I was driving to work or something, and I picked them up at the post office on the way.

我想我是开车去上班什么的，我在路上在邮局接了它们。

And I think I might have waited until lunch and then gone back out to the car, and surreptitiously opened the package, and found these things in it.

我想我可能会等到午餐，然后回到车上，偷偷地打开包裹，发现里面有这些东西。

I was quite moved.

我很感动。

It was like recovering a piece of my childhood or my childhood as a boy.

这就像恢复我的童年或我作为男孩的童年的一部分。

Act Three, Fan, Not Fan.

第三幕，粉丝，不是粉丝。

We begin a little radio experiment today on our program to have non-journalists cover aspects of the presidential campaign, commission original work from these non-journalists.

We begin with Chicago playwright David Isaacson, whose done many plays here in Chicago for Theater Oobleck.

我们从芝加哥剧作家大卫·艾萨克森开始，他在芝加哥为欧不裂剧院创作了许多戏剧。

He prepared this about Pat Buchanan.

他准备了关于帕特·布坎南的这篇文章。

I had a dream last night, which is an odd thing in and of itself because I am not prone to dreaming especially lately, exhausted after very full days campaigning, Galesburg, Peoria, South Side Chicago.

我昨晚做了一个梦，这本身就是一件奇怪的事情，因为我不太容易做梦，尤其是最近，在盖尔斯堡、皮奥里亚、芝加哥南区的整天竞选活动后筋疲力尽。

Why don't I dream at night?

为什么我晚上不做梦？

Well, Herr Sigismund Freud and his cabal of Austrio-atheist mind doctors say that dreams are the nocturnal expressions of all that is repressed during the day.

好吧，西吉斯蒙德·弗洛伊德先生和他的奥地利无神论者心理医生小集团说，梦是白天压抑的一切在夜间的表达。

But the thing is I don't repress.

但问题是我不压抑。

If it pops into my head, I let it pop right out of my mouth.

如果它突然出现在我的脑海中，我就会让它从我的嘴里弹出。

That's the source of my pop, pop, popularity.

这就是我的流行、流行、受欢迎的源泉。

While the Clintons and Doles check the contingencies and polls before every public utterance, I'm utterly straight with my public.

虽然克林顿夫妇和多尔夫妇在每次公开发表言论之前都会检查突发事件和民意调查，但我对公众却是完全坦诚的。

I don't repress, so I don't dream.

我不压抑，所以我不做梦。

Except last night.

除了昨晚。

It was the oddest thing.

这是最奇怪的事情。

I dreamt of myself, but myself in the past, and in the present, and in the future.

我梦见了自己，但梦到了过去、现在和未来的自己。

The first part, it was very green.

第一部分，非常绿色。

Green grass everywhere, green grasses, rushes, and ferns.

到处都是绿草如茵，绿草如茵，灯心草，还有蕨类植物。

Puffins flying overhead.

海雀在头顶飞翔。

Druids leaned against dolmens, fashioning wreaths of mistletoe.

德鲁伊们靠在支石墓上，用槲寄生编成花环。

I stood in front of an enormous electrified chain-link fence that went on and on, disappearing into the cloud-filled horizons both north and south.

我站在一个巨大的带电铁丝网前面，它一直延伸到南北两侧，消失在云彩缭绕的地平线中。

Apparently, I was the border guard in ancient Celtic Ireland.

显然，我是古代凯尔特爱尔兰的边防卫兵。

And lo, who should appear on the other side of this mass of barbed wire and steel, but my namesake, Saint Patrick.

瞧，谁应该出现在这堆铁丝网和钢铁的另一边，但我的同名者，圣帕特里克。

"Saint Patrick," I cried out.

“圣帕特里克，”我喊道。

"Well, this is a fine how-do-you do.

“嗯，这是一个很好的方法。

They were just booing me at your parade in Chicago the other day, hissing and--" And then old Saint Patrick interrupted me.

前几天，他们在芝加哥举行的游行中向我发出嘘声，发出嘶嘶声，然后——”然后老圣帕特里克打断了我。

"I have come to be the bishop of your land." "Well, I don't know, Saint," I replied.

“我是来成为你们土地上的主教的。” “嗯，我不知道，圣人，”我回答道。

"Where were you born?" "Britain.

“你在哪里出世？” “英国。

In Britain."

在英国。”

"Oh, no, well, Mr. Rick, we got laws, constitutional amendments preventing aliens like yourself, your saintship, from becoming citizens or getting any of King MacNeil's handouts to the peasantry.

You see, we got too many foreigners coming in, taking our jobs, choice jobs, like that bishopry you're angling for."

你看，我们有太多外国人进来，抢走了我们的工作，选择的工作，就像你想要的主教职位一样。”

"You don't understand.

“你不明白。

I was named, ordained by Saint Germanus himself to lead the Irish people."

圣日耳曼努斯本人任命我为领导爱尔兰人民的人。”

"Oh now, well, that's the problem.

“哦，好吧，这就是问题所在。

We don't want the Germanesses telling us what to do, Germanist generals under the UN flag, directing our soldiers in some Bosnian quagmire half a world away.

We built up the factories and infrastructures of the Germanesses and the Yamomotos And now what are we looking at?

$200 billion trade deficit."

2000亿美元的贸易逆差。”

"You don't understand.

“你不明白。

I bring with me the Latin Bible."

我带着拉丁文圣经。”

"That's not going to win you points.

“这不会为你赢得分数。

Gaelic's the official language of this country, sir.

盖尔语是这个国家的官方语言，先生。

Constitutional amendment."

宪法修正案。”

"I bring the shamrock clover, whose three leaves represent the Holy Trinity."

"Trinity?

“三一？

We don't want trilaterialism here, Senor Saint.

圣先生，我们不希望这里出现三边主义。

You're talking new world order, IMF, World Court, World Bank, Goldman Sachs with their sacks of gold.

This here is a sovereign nation under God."

这是上帝统治下的一个主权国家。”

"But it is God who has sent me here," replied poor Saint Patrick in my dream, "to chase the snakes from your land."

"Oh no," I replied, "chase the snakes?

“哦，不，”我回答道，“追蛇？

Heavens to Betsy.

祝贝特西好运。

If you banish the snakes, they'll just show up in repressed forms in our dreams.

Why, here's one crawling up my leg now." And at this point, just when my phantasm was threatening to become a goofy metadream, the action suddenly shifted in that crazy way dreams go, shifted to the present.

哎呀，现在有一只爬上了我的腿。” And at this point, just when my phantasm was threatening to become a goofy metadream, the action suddenly shifted in that crazy way dreams go, shifted to the present.

And I heard the strains of my campaign theme song.

[MUSIC - "WE WILL ROCK YOU" BY QUEEN]

[音乐 - QUEEN 的《WE WILL ROCK YOU》]

There I was, sitting with my friends and advisers, Larry Pratt, and Samuel Francis, and John Lofton, and the Reverend Donald Wildmon, talking about where my campaign should go from here, which is funny that it was those guys in the dream.

Because those are the ones that have gotten me into hot water with the media because-- well, let's just say those fellas don't repress their beliefs.

If they talked to some local militias about a war against the white race, or how the TV industry is made up of people raised in Jewish homes, or about promiscuous homosexuals literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide, well, they're just being frank, which is a lot more than we can expect from Beltway insiders like that parrot the Bobster or Bill Clinton chasing issues like a blind dog in a meat market.

Anyway, in the dream, we were talking about my options, the boys and I, the three paths diverging in a red, white, and blue wood.

To be the good party boy, like I was in '92, support the leading candidate?

To swoop down like a B-2 Bombardier on San Diego in August with a whooping religious war cry against the murder of the unborn?

Or to go the Wallace way, bolt the party that made me, and make my own?

But this being a dream, things started to metamorphize.

Lofton's head split open, and the head of my old boss, Richard Nixon, sprouted from his shoulders in a bloody bloom of scatological curses.

"Never leave the expletive deleted party, Patty Joe." His jowls flapped like sails in a squall.

"Never leave the expletive deleted party, Patty Joe."他的下巴像暴风雨中的帆一样拍打着。

"I stood by Ike.

“我站在艾克一边。

I stood by Barry." But I was distracted as my other three friends burst from their own bodies like soggy-winged gypsy moths from their crystalline, becoming animatronic incarnations of my father's trio of heroes, General MacArthur, Joe McCarthy, and Francisco Franco.

我站在巴里一边。” But I was distracted as my other three friends burst from their own bodies like soggy-winged gypsy moths from their crystalline, becoming animatronic incarnations of my father's trio of heroes, General MacArthur, Joe McCarthy, and Francisco Franco.

"I couldn't beat Ike in '52," thundered MacArthur, "but I gave him hell at the Convention." Franco, of course, was for his militant, third-party approach.

Senator Joe was checking under my sofa for Reds.

参议员乔正在我的沙发底下检查是否有红军。

But the whole architecture of the dream transmuted then, and I was in the future.

About 2010 or so, touring college campuses and '90s nostalgia theme parks in some virtual entertainment called "The Three Pats," which was me, Pat Robertson, and Pat Boone.

My buddy Robertson recited various apocalyptic folk tales of his own devising, all of which involved earthquakes, tidal waves, and neo-liberal Democratic presidents with bisexual wives, whose stints as Peace Corps volunteers in India made them acolytes of Shiva and eventually transformed them into the anti-Christ.

我的好友罗伯逊讲述了他自己设计的各种世界末日民间故事，所有这些故事都涉及地震、海啸，以及拥有双性恋妻子的新自由主义民主党总统，他们在印度担任和平队志愿者的经历使他们成为湿婆神的追随者，并最终将他们变成了反基督者。

And Pat Boone.

还有帕特·布恩。

This being a virtual entertainment of the future, I'm not sure if Pat Boone was alive or merely a hologramistic image existing within the light-emitting diodes rubber cemented to the undersides of my eyelids.

这是未来的虚拟娱乐，我不确定帕特·布恩是否还活着，或者仅仅是粘在我眼睑下侧的发光二极管橡胶中存在的全息图像。

But there he was, clean cut in white bucks, singing a rendition of his 1956 chart topper, "I Almost Lost My Mind," along with a smattering of selections from his fine Gospel albums.

但他就在那里，身着白色雄鹿，演唱着他 1956 年的排行榜冠军歌曲“我几乎失去了理智”，以及他精美的福音专辑中的一些选曲。

And then I came on, the main act, sounding all the themes I've been sounding in this here campaign, issues I feel deeply about.

然后我登场，成为主角，说出了我在这次活动中一直在表达的所有主题，以及我深有感触的问题。

I think of my father raised in poverty, but who, through hard work, was able to provide for his family.

我想起我的父亲，他在贫困中长大，但通过努力工作，能够养家糊口。

Now men like my father are finding no outlet for their hard work, their ideals, their faith in America.

现在，像我父亲这样的人找不到出口来表达他们的辛勤工作、他们的理想和他们对美国的信仰。

I told them how the Ruth Ginsburgs Bader Jose to keep leipzigging our fences and gutentagging our buildings with his Symbionese gang symbology, tacoing handouts and living off welfare, yum yum chow, giving birth to Young Phat [?

我告诉他们露丝·金斯伯格·巴德·何塞如何继续莱比锡我们的栅栏，用他的共生帮派符号学来标记我们的建筑物，吃炸玉米饼，靠福利生活，yum yum chow，生下 Young Phat [？

Taht ?] at taxpayer expense, sashiming his way into our high techamaki jobs, while our boys in the military have to strap on the Helmut Kohl of the United heathen Nations and fight for the Turkish delight of Rabin hoods and radical sheiks.

塔赫特？]用纳税人的钱，挤进了我们的高科技工作岗位，而我们军队的男孩们却不得不戴上联合国异教徒的赫尔穆特科尔，为拉宾头巾和激进酋长的土耳其快乐而战。

As my futuristic audience chortled and hiccuped derision into the biogenically filtered air of the campus mediatorium, I realized that I had become a parody of myself.

当我的未来派观众在校园中庭经过生物过滤的空气中咯咯地笑着、打嗝地嘲笑时，我意识到我已经成为了我自己的模仿者。

Our act, The Three Pats, was being presented with the same camp intentions as when they were trotting out Timothy Leary and Gordon Liddy in mock debates a few years back.

我们的表演“三拍”与几年前他们在模拟辩论中展示蒂莫西·利里和戈登·利迪时的阵营意图相同。

Now I am not a man who's prone to self-doubt.

现在我不是一个容易自我怀疑的人。

I am my own catechism.

我是我自己的教义问答。

But maybe it's the beating I've been taking lately even from men who I considered to be my friends, Bill Buckley, Bill Sapphire, George Will.

但也许这就是我最近遭受的殴打，甚至是来自那些我认为是我的朋友的人，比尔·巴克利、比尔·萨菲尔、乔治·威尔。

They make the doubts pile up and spill over into dreams.

他们让疑虑堆积起来，并蔓延到梦想中。

Heck, I'm the only one left in this campaign with firm beliefs and true convictions.

哎呀，我是这场竞选中唯一一个拥有坚定信念和真正信念的人。

And yet I fear becoming some comic footnote in the history of man's struggle to lift his world up closer to the Kingdom of God.

然而，我担心自己会成为人类努力让世界更接近上帝王国的历史上的一个滑稽脚注。

My futuristic dream self gamely thundered on.

我的未来梦想自我勇敢地继续前进。

But somehow, the honest Christian faith of three men named Patrick had become the 21st century's equivalent of The Brady Bunch movie today, a farce, a way of feeling superior to our former and better selves.

但不知何故，三个名叫帕特里克的人的诚实基督教信仰已经成为21世纪的《布雷迪家族》电影，一部闹剧，一种感觉比以前更好的自己优越的方式。

I think I woke up then.

我想我当时就醒了。

I'm not sure.

我不知道。

I'm well into my third cup of coffee now, and it's high time to board that bus and move on to the next crowd, the next speech, the next state, the next primary.

我现在已经喝了第三杯咖啡了，是时候登上那辆公共汽车并前往下一个人群、下一个演讲、下一个州、下一个初选了。

I suppose I should dwell on my dream a little more, analyze it, plumb its depths.

我想我应该更多地思考我的梦想，分析它，探究它的深度。

But I'll leave interpretation to those ranks of young Reichians who twist every God-fearing thought to prove that we're all homosexuals, that God is dead, that the racist teachings of Eldridge Cleaver should be taught in our schools while the psalms of Jesus are banned.

但我会把解释留给那些年轻的赖希人，他们扭曲每一个敬畏上帝的思想，证明我们都是同性恋，上帝已经死了，埃尔德里奇·克利弗的种族主义教义应该在我们的学校里教授，而耶稣的诗篇却被禁止。

You see, I can't waste too much time on my own soul search.

你看，我不能浪费太多时间在自己的灵魂探索上。

I've got to get out there with my posse and fight for the soul of America.

我必须带着我的团队走出去，为美国的灵魂而战。

Playwright David Isaacson.

剧作家大卫·艾萨克森。

Credits Ira Glass Today's program was produced by Peter Clowney and by myself with Alix Spiegel, Nancy Updike, and Dolores Wilber.

图片来源：Ira Glass 今天的节目由 Peter Clowney 和我本人与 Alix Spiegel、Nancy Updike 和 Dolores Wilber 共同制作。

Contributing editors Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, and Paul Tough.

特约编辑 Jack Hitt、Margy Rochlin 和 Paul Tough。

WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia.

WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 监督。

[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] If you want to buy a tape of this or others of our programs, call us at WBEZ 312-832-3800.

[鸣谢] 如果您想购买本节目或我们其他节目的磁带，请致电 WBEZ 312-832-3800。

Or you can email us.

或者您可以给我们发电子邮件。

Our address, [email protected] .

我们的地址，[电子邮件受保护]。

We do answer our email.

我们确实回复了我们的电子邮件。

We broadcast proudly from WBEZ Chicago.

我们自豪地在 WBEZ 芝加哥进行广播。

We'll be back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。

中文为机器翻译，仅供参考。