167: Memo to the People of the Future - This American Life
You are using an outdated browser.
您正在使用过时的浏览器。
Please upgrade your browser or activate Google Chrome Frame to improve your experience.
请升级您的浏览器或激活 Google Chrome 浏览器内嵌框架以改善您的体验。
Sign up for a free Life Partners trial, and you can watch the video “A Night of Stories and Improv.”
注册免费试用《Life Partners》，您可以观看视频“故事与即兴表演之夜”。
00:00 00:00 Transcript Share This American Life Life Partners How to Listen Episodes Recommended About Overview Staff Announcements Fellowships Jobs Music Make Radio On The Road FAQ Submissions Merch Contact Us Our Other Shows Merch Follow Us Life Partners Subscribe to our newsletter Full episode Toggle Audio and Transcript Sync Transcript | Episode #167 | September 8, 2000 167: Memo to the People of the Future Note: This American Life is produced for the ear and designed to be heard.
00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 167 集 | 2000 年 9 月 8 日 167：给未来人们的备忘录 注：《美国生活》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
If you are able, we strongly encourage you to listen to the audio, which includes emotion and emphasis that's not on the page.
如果可以的话，我们强烈建议您收听音频，其中包括页面上没有的情感和重点。
Transcripts are generated using a combination of speech recognition software and human transcribers, and may contain errors.
文字记录是使用语音识别软件和人工转录员结合生成的，可能包含错误。
Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print.
请在印刷版引用前检查相应的音频。
Prologue Ira Glass Back toward the end of the 20th century, in the last few months, there was a flurry of last minute scrambling.
序言 Ira Glass 回到 20 世纪末，在最后几个月里，出现了一阵最后一刻的混乱。
People trying, for some reason, to document what the 20th century was all about before it ended, as if human civilization was suddenly on a global term paper deadline.
出于某种原因，人们试图在 20 世纪结束之前记录下它的全部内容，就好像人类文明突然面临着全球学期论文的最后期限一样。
We had to get everything down before the semester that was the last century ended.
我们必须在上个世纪的学期结束之前把一切都搞定。
Or there would be points taken off our papers.
否则我们的试卷上就会被扣分。
And during this odd period of human beings thinking about the past, and the present, and the future, The New York Times Magazine decided to do a special issue summarizing who we were at the turn of the millennium which it was going to bury in a time capsule for the people of the year 3000.
在人类思考过去、现在和未来的这个奇怪时期，《纽约时报》杂志决定制作一期特刊，总结我们在千禧年之交的身份，并将其埋藏在一个时间胶囊中，供 3000 年的人们使用。
And among the dozens of people who they invited to take part in this, they caught a guy who I know named Bennett Miller, who makes films.
在他们邀请参加的几十个人中，他们找到了一个我认识的人，名叫贝内特·米勒，他是电影制作人。
The New York Times could include films in the capsule and stills from the films of the frames in the magazine.
《纽约时报》可以在胶囊中收录电影，并在杂志中收录框架影片的剧照。
And they asked if he had any interest in documenting something for the people of the future.
他们问他是否有兴趣为未来的人们记录一些东西。
As it turns out, just the night before, Bennett had been at a party where he had met this guy who he just adored, really funny, smart guy who was a professional actor and a dwarf, as I understand it, very tiny man.
事实证明，就在前一天晚上，贝内特参加了一个聚会，在那里他遇到了一个他很喜欢的人，一个非常有趣、聪明的人，他是一名专业演员，据我所知，他是一个侏儒，一个非常小的男人。
And Bennett suggested to The New York Times that he would make a very brief movie, where he would take this guy on the street somewhere and film him alone.
贝内特向《纽约时报》建议他制作一部非常简短的电影，他会带着这个人在街上的某个地方单独拍摄他。
And the guy would look directly into the camera and say something along the lines of, "Hello, people of the future.
那家伙会直视镜头，说一些类似的话，“你好，未来的人们。
Scientists tell us that by the time that you're seeing this, humankind will have made unimaginable advances.
科学家告诉我们，当你看到这一点时，人类已经取得了难以想象的进步。
Gone will be the problems that plague us today, disease, inequality, pollution, war.
今天困扰我们的问题，如疾病、不平等、污染、战争，将会消失。
Why, I am told that 1,000 years from now, human beings may grow to be as large as five or perhaps even six feet tall.
有人告诉我，1000 年后，人类可能会长到五英尺甚至六英尺高。
People of the future, I salute you." And that would be it.
未来的人们，我向你们致敬。”就这样了。
And presumably, the people of the future would at some point look at the other pages in the magazine buried in this time capsule and realize that 20th century humans had already reached five or six feet in height, many of them.
据推测，未来的人们在某个时候会看到埋在这个时间胶囊中的杂志的其他页面，并意识到 20 世纪的人类已经达到了五六英尺的高度，其中许多人都是这样。
And hopefully, they would understand the whole thing was a joke, a joke launched deep into the future, which The New York Times did not go for this.
希望他们能明白整件事只是一个笑话，一个深入未来的笑话，而《纽约时报》并不这么认为。
But I have to say, I love this idea.
但我不得不说，我喜欢这个想法。
Can you imagine what it would be like to get a message like that from 1,000 years back?
你能想象收到 1000 年前的类似信息会是什么样子吗？
If we would find little pranks left for us in the ruins of Egypt, or Rome, or Pompeii, we would love those people.
如果我们能在埃及、罗马或庞贝的废墟中找到留给我们的小恶作剧，我们就会喜欢那些人。
Anyway, around this time, when people I actually knew and loved were worrying about the civilization of the future and what it would think of us, there came a point where I realized, I hate the people of the future.
不管怎样，大约在这个时候，当我真正认识和爱的人担心未来的文明以及它会如何看待我们时，我意识到，我讨厌未来的人。
I don't care what they think of us.
我不在乎他们对我们的看法。
Picture them.
想象一下他们。
There they are, 1,000 years from now, the people of the future.
1000 年后，他们就是未来的人们。
Not only are we dust, but our children are gone, our children's children.
我们不仅化为尘土，连我们的孩子、我们孩子的孩子也消失了。
Everything we ever believed or cared about, it is long, long forgotten, all of it.
我们曾经相信或关心的一切，都被遗忘了很久很久。
And there they are, the people of the future, busy with their busy lives, driving to work, making plans for the weekend, getting together.
他们就在那里，未来的人们，忙着忙碌的生活，开车上班，制定周末计划，聚在一起。
To hell with them.
让他们见鬼去吧。
I hate them.
我讨厌他们。
I mean, I don't hate them, but they can fend for themselves.
我的意思是，我并不恨他们，但他们可以自己照顾自己。
And they don't care what we were like, not in a big way.
他们并不关心我们是什么样子，不是很大程度。
Who do we remember?
我们还记得谁？
Name 10 people from the 15th century.
说出 15 世纪的 10 位人物的名字。
Lots of people, of course, think differently than I do when it comes to the people of the future.
当然，当谈到未来的人时，很多人的想法与我不同。
And they have their work cut out for them, worried about their legacy, what will people think of them.
他们有自己的工作要做，担心他们的遗产，担心人们会怎么看他们。
And they're trying to set the record straight.
他们正在努力澄清事实。
They are the subject of today's radio program.
他们是今天广播节目的主题。
From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, preparing for the people of the future.
今天我们的节目是为未来的人们做准备。
We bring you three stories in three separate acts.
我们分三幕为您带来三个故事。
Act One, Dewey Decimal Beats Truman.
第一幕，杜威十进制击败杜鲁门。
Bill Clinton is building a presidential library to memorialize himself for the people of the you-know-when.
比尔·克林顿正在建造一座总统图书馆，为那个时代的人们纪念他自己。
Our own contributing editor Sarah Vowell tours the libraries of four dead presidents to come up with suggestions and tips for how he should handle the job.
我们自己的特约编辑莎拉·沃威尔（Sarah Vowell）参观了四位已故总统的图书馆，为他应该如何处理这项工作提出建议和技巧。
Act Two, One And One Don't Make Two in which we hear the story of somebody who, through an accident of history, became obsessed with how the future would view her, Marguerite Oswald, the mother of Lee Harvey Oswald.
第二幕，一加一不等于二，我们听到一个人的故事，由于历史的一次偶然，她开始痴迷于未来如何看待她，玛格丽特·奥斯瓦尔德，李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德的母亲。
We have rare audio recordings of her from the 1960s that have never been played publicly.
We have rare audio recordings of her from the 1960s that have never been played publicly.
Act Three, You Don't Have To Be An Einstein.
第三幕，你不必成为爱因斯坦。
Mike Paterniti weighs in with this story that begins with Einstein's brain preserved for the people of the future and ends in a karaoke bar.
迈克·帕特尼蒂 (Mike Paterniti) 讲述了这个故事，故事从为未来的人们保存爱因斯坦的大脑开始，到卡拉 OK 酒吧结束。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One.
第一幕。
If somebody is straight up a hero, the question of his legacy is just not that interesting.
如果某人是真正的英雄，那么他的遗产问题就没那么有趣了。
It's the flawed people, the imperfect, who have to think hard about how to best present themselves, which is why the question of a Clinton presidential library is such an interesting one.
那些有缺陷、不完美的人必须认真思考如何最好地展示自己，这就是为什么克林顿总统图书馆的问题如此有趣。
Sarah Vowell has taken it upon herself to offer some advice to the president on how to handle the job.
莎拉·沃威尔主动就如何处理这项工作向总统提供一些建议。
Memo, To President William Jefferson Clinton, From Citizen Sarah Jane Vowell, RE Presidential Libraries Fact-Finding Tour.
备忘录，致威廉·杰斐逊·克林顿总统，来自公民莎拉·简·沃威尔，RE 总统图书馆实况调查之旅。
Mr. President, I'm tired.
总统先生，我累了。
Who wouldn't be after eight long years of sticking up for you?
在长达八年的支持你之后，谁不会呢？
60% of the American public still likes the way you do your job, but somehow, I never seem to run into any of these people.
60% 的美国公众仍然喜欢你的工作方式，但不知何故，我似乎从未遇到过这些人。
So I'm excited about your impending presidential library in Little Rock.
所以我对小石城即将建成的总统图书馆感到很兴奋。
No longer will I be responsible for defending your honor to friends, family, and the occasional cab driver.
我不再负责在朋友、家人和偶尔的出租车司机面前捍卫你的荣誉。
What a relief to turn over what's left of my faith in you to some building in Arkansas.
将我对你仅存的信心移交给阿肯色州的某栋建筑，真是一种解脱。
But before I relinquish my duties as your crabby, little cheerleader, I scoped out four presidential libraries to help you figure out how to do the job right.
但在我放弃作为你们脾气暴躁的小拉拉队长的职责之前，我检查了四个总统图书馆，以帮助你们弄清楚如何正确地完成这项工作。
Not that you asked me.
不是你问我的。
I just don't want you to mess this up.
我只是不想让你把事情搞砸。
We'll begin our tour at the John F.
我们将从约翰·F·肯尼迪博物馆开始我们的旅程。
Kennedy Library overlooking Boston Harbor, partly because your youth and flash have been described as Kennedy-esque and partly because you, yourself, have often invoked the comparison, most notably by trotting out that film of you shaking JFK's hand as a teenager, an image of eerie destiny.
肯尼迪图书馆俯瞰波士顿港，部分是因为你的青春和闪光被描述为肯尼迪式的，部分是因为你自己经常引用这种比较，最引人注目的是通过播放你青少年时期与肯尼迪握手的那部影片，这是一个令人毛骨悚然的命运的形象。
I talked to the Kennedy Library's curator, Frank Rigg.
我与肯尼迪图书馆馆长弗兰克·里格进行了交谈。
We agreed that the plainest pleasure of visiting presidential libraries is getting close to the actual stuff of history.
We agreed that the plainest pleasure of visiting presidential libraries is getting close to the actual stuff of history.
We have on display in one of the cases in that room the little card in which he's written, "Ich bin ein Berliner," spelled out phonetically so he would-- and if you watch the film, you can see just before he gets to that line, he looks down at the paper and then looks up and says, "Ich bin ein Berliner." And I love those little correspondences between an artifact and a piece of film.
我们在那个房间的一个箱子里展示了他写的小卡片，“Ich bin ein Berliner”，按照语音拼写出来，这样他就会——如果你看电影，你可以看到就在他到达那行之前，他低头看着纸，然后抬头说，“Ich bin ein Berliner”。 And I love those little correspondences between an artifact and a piece of film.
And the most beautiful one comes towards the end of the museum where we have a video of his tour of Ireland in 1963.
And the most beautiful one comes towards the end of the museum where we have a video of his tour of Ireland in 1963.
And as he was leaving, he quoted a piece of poetry that Mrs. de Valera, the wife of the president of Ireland, had recited to him the night before at dinner.
临走时，他引用了爱尔兰总统夫人德瓦莱拉夫人前一天晚上在晚餐时向他背诵的一首诗。
And he'd written them down on the back of his itinerary.
And he'd written them down on the back of his itinerary.
And she immediately quoted this poem.
她立即引用了这首诗。
And I wrote down the words because I thought they're beautiful.
And I wrote down the words because I thought they're beautiful.
And you see him in the film pick up a piece of paper that he has under a silver jug.
And you see him in the film pick up a piece of paper that he has under a silver jug.
It's windy, that's why he has it under the-- and it's blowing around in the wind.
It's windy, that's why he has it under the-- and it's blowing around in the wind.
And he picks it up, and then he recites.
他拿起它，然后背诵。
There's these very beautiful lines.
有这些非常美丽的线条。
Thus returns from travels long, years of exile, years of pain, to see old Shannon's face again, over the waters glancing.
Thus returns from travels long, years of exile, years of pain, to see old Shannon's face again, over the waters glancing.
Well, I'm going to come back and see old Shannon's face again.
好吧，我要回来再看看老香农的脸。
At the end of the recitation, he folds it up.
朗诵结束后，他把它折叠起来。
And you can see the crease.
你可以看到折痕。
And again, it's one of those things where you feel as if you're there at that moment in time.
And again, it's one of those things where you feel as if you're there at that moment in time.
In this I.M.
在这个 I.M.
Pei-designed white box, JFK's life and death unfold primarily on television monitors and video screens.
贝聿铭设计的白盒子里，肯尼迪的生与死主要在电视监视器和视频屏幕上展开。
I walk in suspicious.
我疑惑地走进去。
I've never particularly worshipped Jack Kennedy.
我从来没有特别崇拜杰克·肯尼迪。
He didn't really do anything except talk.
他除了说话，什么也没做。
He spoke of civil rights, but it was Lyndon Johnson who got actual laws passed.
He spoke of civil rights, but it was Lyndon Johnson who got actual laws passed.
And then there's the minor matter of the Cuban Missile Crisis, perhaps the scariest single week in the history of the world.
And then there's the minor matter of the Cuban Missile Crisis, perhaps the scariest single week in the history of the world.
And yet, at JFK's Library, I found myself hoodwinked by pretty words.
And yet, at JFK's Library, I found myself hoodwinked by pretty words.
No other free nation has demanded so much of itself.
No other free nation has demanded so much of itself.
Through hot wars and cold, through recession and prosperity, through the ages of the atom and outer space, the American people have neither faltered, nor has their faith flagged.
经历了热战和寒冷，经历了衰退和繁荣，经历了原子时代和外太空时代，美国人民既没有动摇，也没有动摇他们的信仰。
If at times our actions seem to make life difficult for others, it is only because history has made life difficult for us all.
If at times our actions seem to make life difficult for others, it is only because history has made life difficult for us all.
As you may have noticed, there are no narrators to our films and our videos.
As you may have noticed, there are no narrators to our films and our videos.
The principle voice is that of John F.
主要声音是约翰·F.
Kennedy himself.
肯尼迪本人。
And we did that very consciously.
我们非常有意识地这样做了。
There are also a lot of pretty pictures-- home movies of JFK handing a dandelion to John-John, one weirdly evocative film strip of the president in which all he does is carry a briefcase and walk to a car.
还有很多漂亮的照片——肯尼迪将蒲公英递给约翰·约翰的家庭电影，一部令人回味无穷的总统连环画，其中他所做的只是拎着公文包走向汽车。
I watch this wondering, why is it so riveting?
我看着这个，想知道为什么它如此引人入胜？
He's taking work home.
他正在把工作带回家。
But I can't resist him.
但我无法抗拒他。
The man is Medusa.
这个男人就是美杜莎。
Don't look in his eyes.
别看他的眼睛。
President Clinton, you should milk this in your library.
克林顿总统，你应该在你的图书馆里榨取这个。
Where the legislative record is perhaps ambiguous or downright shabby, go for the flashy soundbites.
如果立法记录可能模棱两可或彻头彻尾破烂，那就选择华而不实的原声片段。
You're such a sweet talker, the Charlie Parker of the press conference Q&A, riffing rhythmically about everything from interest rates to Greece versus Turkey with regards to Cyprus.
你真是一个甜言蜜语的人，就像新闻发布会问答环节的查理·帕克一样，有节奏地滔滔不绝地谈论从利率到希腊与土耳其、塞浦路斯等各种话题。
Get a couple of great quotes, throw a little music under them, and listen to what a great president you were.
找几句精彩的名言，放点音乐，听听你是一位多么伟大的总统。
America is far more than a place.
美国不仅仅是一个地方。
It is an idea, the most powerful idea in the history of nations.
这是一个理念，一个国家历史上最强大的理念。
And all of us in this chamber, we are now the bearers of that idea.
我们在座的所有人现在都是这个想法的承载者。
When we get this all worked out, we're all living to be 150, young people will still fall in love.
当我们把这一切解决之后，我们都可以活到150岁，年轻人仍然会坠入爱河。
Old people will still fight about things that should have been resolved 50 years ago.
老人们仍然会为50年前就应该解决的事情而争吵。
We will all on occasion do stupid things.
我们有时都会做愚蠢的事情。
And we will all see the unbelievable capacity of humanity to be noble.
我们都会看到人类令人难以置信的高尚能力。
This is a great day.
这是美好的一天。
General Dwight D.
德怀特·D.将军
Eisenhower, a military meteor on the rise.
艾森豪威尔，一颗冉冉升起的军事流星。
President Clinton, I wanted to go to the Dwight David Eisenhower Library in Abilene, Kansas, to see how they handle something your library will have to tackle.
克林顿总统，我想去堪萨斯州阿比林的德怀特·大卫·艾森豪威尔图书馆，看看他们如何处理您的图书馆必须解决的问题。
Which is, if one of the achievements of a presidency is economic prosperity, how do you display that without putting out a bunch of toasters and hula hoops, without making people seem dumb and materialistic?
也就是说，如果总统任期的成就之一是经济繁荣，你如何在不摆出一堆烤面包机和呼啦圈、不让人们显得愚蠢和唯物主义的情况下展示这一点？
How do you convey the decency of making people's lives better?
您如何传达让人们生活更美好的正气？
Unfortunately for our project, the way the Eisenhower Library deals with this challenge is they basically ignore it.
不幸的是，对于我们的项目来说，艾森豪威尔图书馆处理这一挑战的方式基本上是忽略它。
In fact, you'd barely know the man was president.
事实上，你几乎不知道这个人是总统。
The exhibit devoted to his White House years is mostly heaps of weird, but swanky gifts he got, like a mosaic desk from the Shah of Iran.
专门展示他在白宫时期的展览主要是他收到的一堆奇怪但时髦的礼物，比如伊朗国王送给他的一张马赛克桌子。
What the museum's great at is Eisenhower's military career.
该博物馆最擅长的是艾森豪威尔的军事生涯。
As I walk around with its director, Dan Holt, I think, who cares if he accomplished anything after V-J Day?
当我和导演丹·霍尔特一起走来走去时，我想，谁在乎他在胜利日之后是否取得了任何成就呢？
And this is some early World War II-- the original note that Roosevelt and Churchill signed appointing Eisenhower the Supreme Commander.
这是第二次世界大战初期的情况——罗斯福和丘吉尔签署的任命艾森豪威尔为最高统帅的原始照会。
It's funny, at this point in the museum, I forgot he was president.
有趣的是，在博物馆的这个时候，我忘记了他是总统。
Yeah, right.
是的，对。
Yeah.
是的。
Sarah Vowell President Clinton, there is a lesson to be learned here after all.
萨拉·沃威尔 (Sarah Vowell) 克林顿总统，这里毕竟有一个教训值得吸取。
Which is, play to your strength.
也就是说，发挥你的力量。
Eisenhower's greatest achievement was liberating Europe.
艾森豪威尔最伟大的成就是解放欧洲。
Your greatest achievement?
你最大的成就是？
Balancing the budget.
平衡预算。
Not as dramatic, I know.
我知道，没那么戏剧化。
They're probably not going to make a Tom Hanks movie about fiscal policy, no matter how inspired that fiscal policy might be.
他们可能不会制作一部关于财政政策的汤姆·汉克斯电影，无论财政政策有多么鼓舞人心。
But still, as the White House web page cheerfully points out, your money wrangling did create the longest economic expansion in US history and the most new jobs ever created in a single administration.
但正如白宫网页高兴地指出的那样，你们的金钱纠纷确实创造了美国历史上最长的经济扩张，以及单届政府中创造的最多的新就业机会。
In the Eisenhower Library, the climax of the visit is D-Day in which you turn a sharp corner, and suddenly, you're standing like a soldier on a ship's ramp facing a Normandy beach.
在艾森豪威尔图书馆，参观的高潮是诺曼底登陆，当你转过一个急转弯时，突然间，你像一名士兵一样站在面向诺曼底海滩的船舷梯上。
And then you walk through a small mock-up of an LCI, Landing Craft Infantry, and then the photograph that's been called The Jaws of Death, which is the landings on Omaha Beach.
然后你会走过一个 LCI（步兵登陆艇）的小模型，然后是一张被称为“死亡之颚”的照片，这是奥马哈海滩上的登陆。
As you trudge across the ramp, you glimpse your buddies ahead of you slogging through the bloody wet, and the beach so far away.
当你艰难地走过坡道时，你瞥见你的伙伴在你前面艰难地走过血腥的湿地，而海滩却在那么远的地方。
In short, this is very effective theater, which leads me to my next recommendation, Mr. Clinton.
简而言之，这是一个非常有效的戏剧，这让我想到了我的下一个推荐，克林顿先生。
What about a similar stage set?
类似的舞台布景怎么样？
Only in your library, instead of being a soldier leaving the boat for Omaha Beach, the visitor could walk in the shoes of Fed chairman Alan Greenspan as he steps out of a Lincoln Town Car and into the Dirksen Senate Office Building to endorse the Clinton deficit-reduction strategy before the Senate Banking Committee.
只有在你的图书馆里，参观者才能扮演美联储主席艾伦·格林斯潘的角色，而不是乘船前往奥马哈海滩，走出林肯城市轿车，走进德克森参议院办公大楼，在参议院银行委员会面前支持克林顿的赤字削减战略。
A word on the people who run these libraries, Mr. President.
总统先生，请谈谈这些图书馆的管理者。
Fortunately for you guys, they are very attached to their subjects, very loyal.
对于你们来说幸运的是，他们非常依恋自己的臣民，非常忠诚。
Their president becomes a kind of mental roommate, someone they live with.
他们的总统成为一种精神室友，与他们住在一起。
And each of the library directors I interviewed spoke of their president with affection, like moms almost.
我采访的每一位图书馆馆长都充满感情地谈到他们的总统，几乎就像母亲一样。
Dan Holt praises Ike's correspondence skill.
丹·霍尔特称赞艾克的通信技巧。
Eisenhower was a wonderful letter writer.
艾森豪威尔是一位出色的写信人。
His book learning.
他的书学习。
Dan Holt His grammar is very good.
丹·霍尔特 他的语法非常好。
As a matter of fact, when you read his diaries and letters, even the diaries, you can hardly ever find a misspelled word.
事实上，当你读他的日记和信件时，即使是日记，你也很难找到一个拼写错误的单词。
And his looks.
还有他的长相。
Dan Holt Oh, he was a very handsome man.
丹·霍尔特 哦，他是一个非常英俊的男人。
All the loyalty you would want while you're in office you finally get after you quit.
All the loyalty you would want while you're in office you finally get after you quit.
None of the library directors have written kiss-and-tell memoirs and gone on to work for ABC.
None of the library directors have written kiss-and-tell memoirs and gone on to work for ABC.
If you were involved in the planning for this new presidential library in Little Rock, is there any advice you could give to those people based on your experience?
如果您参与了小石城这座新总统图书馆的规划，根据您的经验，您有什么建议可以给那些人吗？
Bigger restrooms and more drinking fountains.
更大的卫生间和更多的饮水机。
But I think you have to have fun in it.
但我认为你必须从中获得乐趣。
I'm a true believer of that, that there has to be bells and whistles.
我坚信这一点，必须有附加功能。
The first thing I think we'll take a look at is called an animatron.
我想我们首先要了解的是动画控制器。
It is a figure of LBJ.
这是LBJ的雕像。
It has sound with it.
它有声音。
And it tells some of Johnson's stories.
它讲述了约翰逊的一些故事。
I'm with library director Harry Middleton in the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library and Museum in Austin, Texas.
I'm with library director Harry Middleton in the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library and Museum in Austin, Texas.
We're looking at a robot of LBJ, a robot who wears cowboy garb and tells folksy stories.
We're looking at a robot of LBJ, a robot who wears cowboy garb and tells folksy stories.
Have you heard the one about the man who goes to a doctor because he's hard of hearing?
你听说过一个男人因为听力不好而去看医生的故事吗？
The doctor advises the man to quit drinking and sends him home.
The doctor advises the man to quit drinking and sends him home.
A few days later, the man returns to the doctor's office.
A few days later, the man returns to the doctor's office.
He hasn't stopped his drinking.
他还没有戒酒。
The doctor scolds him.
医生骂他。
He said, didn't I tell you when you were here that you should cut out your drinking if you wanted to improve your hearing?
他说，我来的时候不是告诉过你，要想提高听力就应该戒酒吗？
He said, yes.
他说，是的。
Well, he said, why didn't you do it?
好吧，他说，你为什么不这么做呢？
Well, he said, doctor, he said, I got home, and I considered it.
Well, he said, doctor, he said, I got home, and I considered it.
And I just decided that I like what I drinks much better than what I heard.
And I just decided that I like what I drinks much better than what I heard.
And as we move into this area, we show some of the correspondence that President Johnson got, some of it quite critical, some of it supportive.
And as we move into this area, we show some of the correspondence that President Johnson got, some of it quite critical, some of it supportive.
There's a letter on the wall addressed to Lyndon Johnson from one Francis Mercer of Beverly Hills, California.
There's a letter on the wall addressed to Lyndon Johnson from one Francis Mercer of Beverly Hills, California.
"Mr. President, you have engaged this country in an active war without the consent of Congress.
"Mr. President, you have engaged this country in an active war without the consent of Congress.
I consider having worked for your campaign one of the most tragic mistakes of my life."
I consider having worked for your campaign one of the most tragic mistakes of my life."
President Clinton, I'm going to hazard a guess that you, yourself, have received one or two angry letters.
President Clinton, I'm going to hazard a guess that you, yourself, have received one or two angry letters.
Which brings us to the question what are you going to do about all the people who hate your guts?
Which brings us to the question what are you going to do about all the people who hate your guts?
Not to put too fine a point on it.
不要过分强调这一点。
What are you going to do about all the aspects of your presidency you'd rather forget about?
What are you going to do about all the aspects of your presidency you'd rather forget about?
Tell me if this rumor is true that, in the initial exhibitions, there was little or no representation of Vietnam, and that the President himself came to the library and insisted that that part of the exhibition be beefed up.
告诉我这个谣言是否属实，即在最初的展览中，越南的展示很少或根本没有，总统亲自来到图书馆并坚持要求加强展览的这一部分。
To a certain extent, that's true.
在某种程度上，确实如此。
There was a representation of Vietnam, but nothing that showed the controversy of Vietnam.
有越南的代表，但没有显示越南的争议。
And when President Johnson walked through the library just a few weeks before the library was to open, one of the things that he commented on was that the library did not indicate how contentious that time was.
当约翰逊总统在图书馆开放前几周走过图书馆时，他评论的一件事是图书馆没有表明那段时间有多么有争议。
And he said to me, that was a very controversial period, and we've got to make sure that people know that we understand that.
他对我说，那是一个非常有争议的时期，我们必须确保人们知道我们理解这一点。
And he said to me, I don't want another damn credibility gap.
And he said to me, I don't want another damn credibility gap.
And do you think the people who are in charge of a president's legacy are more apt to protect him than the president himself would be of his own legacy?
您是否认为负责总统遗产的人比总统本人更倾向于保护他的遗产？
Yeah, I think that's probably true.
是的，我想这可能是真的。
I think unless you get a clear direction from the president that he wants it all laid out-- in the case of Johnson, I've been director here from the beginning.
我认为，除非你从总统那里得到明确的指示，他希望一切都安排妥当——就约翰逊而言，我从一开始就是这里的主管。
And on one occasion when he was concerned that we might be too protective, he said to me, good men have been trying to protect my reputation for 40 years, and not a damn one has succeeded.
有一次，当他担心我们可能保护过度时，他对我说，四十年来，好人一直在努力保护我的声誉，但没有一个人成功。
Now what makes you think you can?
现在是什么让你认为你可以？
So we've not tried to do that since.
所以从那以后我们就没有尝试这样做。
Mr. Clinton, here's a list of things you should not whitewash.
克林顿先生，这里列出了一些你不应该粉饰的事情。
Before we even discuss the scandals, let's talk about the ordinary failures.
在我们讨论丑闻之前，让我们先谈谈普通的失败。
What about one of your key campaign promises, to reform health care?
您的主要竞选承诺之一——改革医疗保健怎么样？
A fiasco.
一场惨败。
Ditto Waco.
同上韦科。
Or the 1994 Congressional elections in which the voting public punched Republican names on their ballots with one hand while using their other hands to give you the finger.
或者在 1994 年的国会选举中，选民用一只手在选票上敲击共和党的名字，同时用另一只手向你竖中指。
I'm not even mentioning all the half-assed policies, like Don't Ask, Don't Tell, or Bosnia, or Somalia.
我什至没有提及所有半途而废的政策，比如“不问、不说”、波斯尼亚或索马里。
Finally, you did have sexual relations with that woman.
最后，你确实和那个女人发生了性关系。
You have to confront this.
你必须面对这个。
Again, LBJ Library director Harry Middleton.
又是林登·约翰逊图书馆馆长哈里·米德尔顿。
I think that a library should not proselytize and should not sugarcoat, and should not in any way distort the facts or the truth in order to hide a controversy surrounding the president.
我认为图书馆不应该传教，不应该粉饰，也不应该以任何方式歪曲事实或真相，以掩盖围绕总统的争议。
Otherwise, it's just unfair to the public.
否则，对公众来说就是不公平。
Well, first of all, I don't think a presidential library should necessarily bend over backwards to be objective and fair and inclusive of every important and telling fact on all sides of the argument.
嗯，首先，我认为总统图书馆不必竭尽全力做到客观、公正，并包容争论各方的每一个重要且有说服力的事实。
This is John Taylor, director of the Richard Nixon Library and Birthplace.
我是约翰·泰勒，理查德·尼克松图书馆和出生地馆长。
It's about a 15-minute drive from Disneyland.
距离迪士尼乐园约15分钟车程。
Just as Harry Middleton of the LBJ Library is doing his job according to LBJ's wishes, John Taylor is doing his job the way Nixon would want.
正如林登·约翰逊图书馆的哈里·米德尔顿按照林登·约翰逊的意愿做他的工作一样，约翰·泰勒也在按照尼克松希望的方式做他的工作。
I think people expect presidential libraries to reflect the point of view of the president, the president's family, and the president's institutional advocates.
我认为人们期望总统图书馆能够反映总统、总统家人和总统机构倡导者的观点。
I'm ambling through the museum, past pictures of Nixon, all smiles in China.
我漫步穿过博物馆，走过尼克松的照片，脸上满是中国的微笑。
And one of the other visitors asks the guard, "Where's Watergate?" The guard tells him, "Keep going straight.
另一位游客问警卫：“水门事件在哪里？”警卫告诉他：“继续直走。
It's a dark room." And it is, a very dimly lit tunnel chronicling the break-in at the Watergate Hotel through President Nixon's resignation and farewell.
这是一个黑暗的房间。”它是一条光线昏暗的隧道，记录了尼克松总统辞职和告别期间水门酒店的闯入事件。
There are stations in the Watergate Gallery where one may listen to the famous tapes.
水门画廊设有一些电台，人们可以在那里聆听著名的磁带。
And there are intricate text panels with labels like, "What did the president do, and when did he do it?" John Taylor says that one of the purposes of this exhibit is that people come here expecting the museum to avoid such a sore subject.
还有复杂的文本面板，上面有标签，比如“总统做了什么，他什么时候做的？”约翰·泰勒说，这次展览的目的之一是，人们来到这里，希望博物馆能够避免这样一个令人痛心的话题。
And that dealing with it in such an info-packed manner gives them credibility.
以如此信息丰富的方式处理它给了他们可信度。
But the most important reason to tell the story is that it happened.
但讲述这个故事最重要的原因是它发生了。
It was an amazing outbreak of political passion.
这是政治热情的惊人爆发。
The anger that Congress expressed during the Senate investigation in 1973 and the impeachment investigation in 1974 was passion that had been building probably since the events around the time of Kent State.
国会在 1973 年参议院调查和 1974 年弹劾调查期间表达的愤怒可能是从肯特州立大学时期的事件以来就一直在积聚的激情。
And I think one sees the same effect with President Clinton who was also a figure about whom there was simmering passions among many conservatives.
我认为人们在克林顿总统身上也看到了同样的效果，他也是许多保守派人士心中酝酿着热情的人物。
There was a strong feeling among many conservatives, as we all know, that he quote "was not legitimate" close quote or that he had been engaged in activities which had never been fully revealed to the American people.
众所周知，许多保守派人士有一种强烈的感觉，认为他引用的近似引语“不合法”，或者他从事的活动从未完全向美国人民公开过。
And many of those passions came forth during the impeachment investigation and proceedings in 1998 and 1999.
其中许多热情是在 1998 年和 1999 年的弹劾调查和程序中爆发的。
Taylor offers this advice to you and your library director, President Clinton.
泰勒向您和您的图书馆馆长克林顿总统提供了这个建议。
I think it would be appropriate for the Clinton Library to try to make the case, for instance, that there was a political dimension to the Clinton impeachment.
例如，我认为克林顿图书馆尝试证明克林顿弹劾存在政治层面是适当的。
And there were people, who did not think President and Mrs. Clinton should be in the White House, who used the impeachment effort as a way to accomplish that end.
有些人认为克林顿总统和夫人不应该入主白宫，他们利用弹劾努力来实现这一目标。
Pointing that out is fair comment.
指出这一点是公平的评论。
We pointed out in our museum, and I would think and assume that they would attempt to do so in Little Rock as well.
我们在我们的博物馆指出了这一点，我认为并假设他们也会尝试在小石城这样做。
There's a lot you can crib from the Nixon Library, Mr. President.
总统先生，您可以从尼克松图书馆借用很多东西。
Just substitute the name Clinton for the name Nixon in the following text from the Watergate exhibit.
只需在水门事件展览的以下文本中用克林顿的名字替换尼克松的名字即可。
It reads, "Nixon himself said he made inexcusable misjudgments.
上面写道：“尼克松本人表示，他做出了不可原谅的错误判断。
But what is equally clear is that his opponents ruthlessly exploited those misjudgments as a way to further their own purely political goals."
但同样清楚的是，他的对手无情地利用这些误判来实现他们自己的纯粹政治目标。”
One caution, Mr. President.
总统先生，请注意一点。
The Nixon Library can sometimes seem a little defensive.
尼克松图书馆有时看起来有点防御性。
In the LBJ Library, a visitor's view of history is complicated by presenting both sides of the Vietnam dilemma.
在林登·约翰逊图书馆，参观者对历史的看法因呈现越南困境的两面而变得复杂。
It's an emotional place, but still operates within the language of good old-fashioned civics, a president and his constituents loudly agreeing to disagree.
这是一个情绪化的地方，但仍然以良好的老式公民语言运作，总统和他的选民大声同意不同意见。
The Nixon Library asks, you want facts?
尼克松图书馆问，你想要事实吗？
We'll give you some facts.
我们会给你一些事实。
And oh, by the way, grow up.
哦，顺便说一句，长大吧。
Because you're not going to like any of them.
因为你不会喜欢他们中的任何一个。
In May of this year, we marked the anniversary of the death of four students at Kent State.
今年五月，我们纪念了肯特州立大学四名学生的逝世周年纪念日。
Thanks to the Neil Young song, thanks to the way that event is generally packaged in the media and in history, one rarely hears about it from the perspective of Richard Nixon.
感谢尼尔·杨的歌曲，感谢媒体和历史上对这一事件的普遍包装方式，人们很少从理查德·尼克松的角度听到它。
But when you hear President Nixon talking in our presidential forum about what a dark day that was for him, it challenges the prevailing thought that he was callous and unfeeling toward the families of those who had died.
但是，当你听到尼克松总统在我们的总统论坛上谈论对他来说是多么黑暗的一天时，你就会挑战人们普遍认为他对死者家属冷酷无情的看法。
In fact, he says in this museum and says in his memoirs that it was the darkest day of his presidency.
事实上，他在这个博物馆里说，并在他的回忆录中说，这是他总统任期内最黑暗的一天。
And he includes Watergate when he makes that calculation.
当他进行计算时，他也包括了水门事件。
At the same time, however, you also learn, when going through the museum, that President Nixon had to weigh the lives of those four innocent young people against the lives of innumerable south Vietnamese and American soldiers whose lives were saved as a result of the incursion into Cambodia which was the proximate cause of the demonstration at Kent State which got out of hand and led to the deaths.
然而，与此同时，你在参观博物馆时也会了解到，尼克松总统必须权衡这四名无辜年轻人的生命与无数南越和美国士兵的生命，这些士兵因入侵柬埔寨而获救，这也是肯特州立大学示威失控并导致死亡的直接原因。
President Clinton, perhaps you're wondering if the Nixon Library changed my mind about anything.
克林顿总统，也许您想知道尼克松图书馆是否改变了我对任何事情的看法。
You're wondering if citizens who shook their fists at your face on TV might someday drop in on a building with your name on it and maybe give you a break.
您想知道在电视上对着您的脸挥舞拳头的公民是否有一天会顺便拜访一座写有您名字的建筑物，并可能让您休息一下。
All I can tell you is that I still think Watergate's a horror and Vietnam was wrong.
我只能告诉你，我仍然认为水门事件是一场恐怖，而越南战争是错误的。
But I do find it useful to remember that those decisions, even the most deadly ones, were made not by a supernatural monster, but by a real man whom we elected, a man who at least believed he was right.
但我确实发现记住这些决定是有用的，即使是最致命的决定，也不是由超自然怪物做出的，而是由我们选出的一个真正的人做出的，一个至少相信自己是对的人。
And that is not nothing.
这并不是什么都没有。
In fact, the Nixon and Johnson Libraries were my favorite ones to visit because they deal with quarrelsome subjects.
事实上，尼克松和约翰逊图书馆是我最喜欢参观的图书馆，因为它们处理的是争论性的主题。
Once, years ago, I was at the LBJ Library.
几年前，有一次，我在林登·约翰逊图书馆。
I was walking away from a copy of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 towards a photo of a serviceman who'd been killed in Vietnam.
我正从一份 1965 年《选举权法案》的副本旁走过去，走向一张在越南阵亡的军人的照片。
In the 10 seconds it took to walk from that law to that face, a song from a nearby pop music exhibit started playing, "Louie Louie." And I felt like all of America was in that 10 seconds.
在从那条法律走到那张脸的 10 秒内，附近流行音乐展览中的一首歌曲开始播放，“Louie Louie”。我感觉整个美国都在那 10 秒钟里。
The grandeur of civil rights, the consequences of war, and the fun, fun, fun of a truly strange song.
民权的伟大，战争的后果，以及一首真正奇怪的歌曲的乐趣，乐趣，乐趣。
Mr. President, Americans like contradictions.
总统先生，美国人喜欢矛盾。
We elected you, didn't we?
我们选了你，不是吗？
So in your library, own up to your failures, but don't stop trying to win us over.
因此，在你的图书馆里，承认你的失败，但不要停止努力赢得我们的支持。
In other words, just think of it as running for president forever.
换句话说，只需将其视为永远竞选总统即可。
Sarah Vowell's latest book is called Take the Cannoli.
莎拉·沃威尔（Sarah Vowell）的最新书名为《拿下奶油甜馅煎饼卷》（Take the Cannoli）。
Coming up, Lee Harvey Oswald's Little League career and other things his mother would like you to know before you judge him too harshly in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
接下来，当我们的节目继续进行时，国际公共广播电台将向您介绍李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德的少年棒球生涯以及他母亲希望您了解的其他事情，然后再对他做出过于严厉的评价。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today's program, Memo To The People Of The Future, stories of people who want to control how history will see them.
今天的节目《给未来人们的备忘录》讲述了那些想要控制历史如何看待他们的人们的故事。
We've arrived at Act Two, an act we've called One And One Don't Make Two.
我们已经到了第二幕，我们称之为“一加一不等于二”的表演。
What if you're remembered the wrong way?
如果你被记错了怎么办？
What if you're remembered for something that somebody else did?
如果你因为别人做过的事情而被记住怎么办？
Well, consider the case of Marguerite Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald's mother.
好吧，考虑一下李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德的母亲玛格丽特·奥斯瓦尔德的例子。
In 1965, a reporter named Jean Stafford spent three days with Mrs. Oswald at Oswald's home in Fort Worth, Texas, to write a story for McCall's Magazine.
1965 年，一位名叫吉恩·斯塔福德 (Jean Stafford) 的记者在奥斯瓦尔德位于德克萨斯州沃思堡的家中与奥斯瓦尔德夫人一起度过了三天，为《麦考尔杂志》撰写一篇报道。
Later, she expanded this story into a book called A Mother in History.
后来，她把这个故事扩展成一本名为《历史上的母亲》的书。
The book's out of print now.
这本书现在已经绝版了。
Jean Stafford died about 20 years ago.
让·斯塔福德 (Jean Stafford) 于大约 20 年前去世。
And the tapes of these interviews were archived with the rest of Stafford's papers at the University of Colorado at Boulder.
这些采访的录音带与斯塔福德的其他论文一起存档在科罗拉多大学博尔德分校。
According to the librarians in the Special Collections department there, this is the first time these tapes have ever been heard by anyone other than Jean Stafford and Mrs. Oswald herself.
据该馆特藏部的图书管理员称，除了让·斯塔福德和奥斯瓦尔德夫人本人之外，这是第一次有人听到这些录音带。
This American Life producer Susan Burton tracked down the tapes and listened to them.
《美国生活》的制片人苏珊·伯顿找到了这些录音带并聆听了它们。
On the afternoon Jean Stafford first came to visit Mrs. Oswald in her white stucco bungalow, the two sat in the living room drinking coffee.
那天下午，吉恩·斯塔福德第一次来拜访奥斯瓦尔德夫人的白色灰泥平房，两人坐在客厅里喝咖啡。
A print of Whistler's famous portrait of his mother hung over the couch.
沙发上挂着一张惠斯勒为他母亲绘制的著名肖像画。
Stafford thought she would start out by asking Mrs. Oswald about something small and personal, like her recipe for brownies.
斯塔福德认为她应该先向奥斯瓦尔德夫人询问一些小而私人的事情，比如她的布朗尼蛋糕食谱。
"But before I could open my mouth," she wrote later, "Mrs. Oswald opened hers and never shut it once during the three monologues she granted me."
“但在我张开嘴之前，”她后来写道，“奥斯瓦尔德夫人就张开了嘴，在她允许我进行的三段独白中，一次也没有闭上。”
It turned out that Mrs. Oswald thought that she and her son were being remembered the wrong way.
事实证明，奥斯瓦尔德夫人认为她和她的儿子被错误地记住了。
And she'd devoted her life to setting the record straight.
她毕生致力于澄清事实。
On these scratchy tapes, she tells stories like this one about when Lee was in seventh grade, and the two of them had just moved to New York.
在这些粗糙的磁带上，她讲述了李七年级时的故事，当时他们两人刚刚搬到纽约。
Lee came home one day.
有一天，李某回家了。
And we were in New York just about a week or so.
我们在纽约只呆了大约一周左右。
And it was exactly the time he was supposed to get home from school.
而这正是他应该放学回家的时间。
He said, "Mother, I didn't go to school today." I said, "You didn't?
他说：“妈妈，我今天没去上学。”我说：“你没有？
Where did you go?" "Oh," he said, "I rode all around." He said, "I rode all day long on the subway.
你去哪儿了？” “哦，”他说，“我骑着马到处转。”他说：“我一整天都在地铁里坐。
I went to Brooklyn.
我去了布鲁克林。
I went to Queens, blah, blah, blah." Now I want to say this.
我去了皇后区，等等，等等。”现在我想说这个。
How many boys at age 13 that play hooky from school would come home and tell his mother that he did so?
有多少 13 岁逃学的男孩回家后会告诉妈妈他这样做了？
And he did.
他做到了。
In defense of my son, let's have some defense of Lee Harvey Oswald and his mother.
为了保护我的儿子，让我们为李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德和他的母亲辩护一下。
The Warren Commission's 26-volume investigation into the Kennedy assassination discusses Lee's childhood at length.
沃伦委员会对肯尼迪遇刺事件的 26 卷调查详细讨论了李的童年。
The Commission collected testimony about everything from his favorite board games to his fondness for playing hooky.
该委员会收集了各种证词，从他最喜欢的棋盘游戏到他对逃学的喜爱。
They described how Mrs. Oswald sent Lee and his brothers to an orphanage then took them out again, how she moved the family around a lot, how this led Lee to become the kind of anti-social loner who'd shoot a president.
他们描述了奥斯瓦尔德夫人如何将李和他的兄弟送到孤儿院，然后又将他们带出去，她如何多次搬家，这如何导致李成为那种射杀总统的反社会孤独者。
From Mrs. Oswald's point of view, the government basically gave a grant to people who wanted to prove what a bad mother she was.
从奥斯瓦尔德夫人的角度来看，政府基本上是向那些想要证明她是一个多么糟糕的母亲的人提供补助金。
Plus, she complained to Jean Stafford, they didn't have the courtesy to come to me and verify these facts.
另外，她向吉恩·斯塔福德抱怨说，他们没有礼貌地来找我核实这些事实。
They printed whatever they were told.
他们告诉什么就打印什么。
Take, for instance, the testimony her sister gave about a trip Lee took to New Orleans back when he was 11 years old.
举例来说，她姐姐关于李 11 岁时去新奥尔良旅行的证词。
My sister remarks in her testimony that while he was there, he refused to play with any other children.
我姐姐在证词中说，当他在那里时，他拒绝与任何其他孩子一起玩耍。
She went into great details that they tried to get him out of the house and play with the children.
她详细说明了他们试图让他离开家和孩子们一起玩的情况。
Let's understand things a little bit.
让我们稍微了解一下事情。
Here was a perfect stranger, a visitor.
这是一个完全陌生的人，一个访客。
I have to smile because the whole thing is so ridiculous.
我不得不微笑，因为整件事太荒谬了。
Did she bring any 11-year or 12-year-olds into the home for Lee to meet?
她有带任何 11 岁或 12 岁的孩子到家里来与李见面吗？
And did he refuse to meet them and to go off and play with them?
他是否拒绝见他们并出去和他们一起玩？
Ah, that would be different.
啊，那就不一样了。
But no, no. So again, let's have defense of Lee Harvey Oswald.
但不，不。再次，让我们为李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德辩护。
Why am I so concerned that the people will understand?
为什么我如此担心人们会理解？
It is natural because, as I say, I am in 26 volumes of the president's report, which is all over the world.
这是很自然的，因为正如我所说，我出现在全世界 26 卷的总统报告中。
And so I must defend myself and defend my son Lee.
所以我必须捍卫自己并捍卫我的儿子李。
Did Lee like sports?
李喜欢运动吗？
Marguerite Oswald Yes, he loved sports.
玛格丽特·奥斯瓦尔德 是的，他热爱运动。
He played baseball.
他打棒球。
I know, when I was in the insurance business, I took him to Farrington Field right here in Fort Worth, Texas, and watched him play.
我知道，当我从事保险业务时，我带他去了德克萨斯州沃思堡的法林顿球场，观看他打球。
He used to play on a team.
他曾经在一个球队踢球。
He belonged to the Y in Fort Worth, Texas.
他属于德克萨斯州沃思堡的 Y 党。
When I think of all the things that this boy did, how can you call him a loner, or an introvert, or whatever they want to call him?
当我想到这个男孩所做的所有事情时，你怎么能称他为孤独者，或内向者，或任何他们想称呼他的人？
Well, he was going to be 20 in October.
好吧，十月份他就满20岁了。
And that's when he hit Russia, which brings another point.
就在那时他袭击了俄罗斯，这带来了另一点。
All of the news media, he's such a failure in life, even The Warren Commission, such a failure in life.
所有的新闻媒体都说他是人生的失败者，甚至沃伦委员会也是如此。
A failure in life at 19 and 20, a young boy going to Russia?
19岁和20岁的小男孩去俄罗斯是人生的失败吗？
I think this took courage, for whatever reason he went.
我认为这需要勇气，无论他出于什么原因去。
Most boys are going to college.
大多数男孩都会上大学。
These men don't understand.
这些人不明白。
These men that are making $100 and $150 a day, the attorneys that are interviewing these witnesses and all.
这些人每天赚 100 美元和 150 美元，律师正在采访这些证人等等。
They never lived this type life.
他们从来没有过过这种生活。
I find this a very intelligent boy, and I am really proud.
我发现这是一个非常聪明的男孩，我真的很自豪。
I think he's coming out in history as a very fine boy.
我认为他将作为一个非常优秀的男孩载入史册。
She was so convinced that he was coming out in history as a fine boy that she actually tried to get Lee buried in Arlington Cemetery.
她坚信他会作为一个好男孩载入史册，以至于她实际上试图将李安葬在阿灵顿公墓。
Even so, it's hard not to feel sympathetic toward her.
即便如此，还是很难不对她产生同情。
The most innocuous things she did as a parent were being scrutinized by millions of people.
她作为父母所做的最无害的事情正在受到数百万人的审视。
And she didn't believe her son had killed the president.
她也不相信她的儿子杀了总统。
Like 3/4 of all Americans today, she thought he'd been caught up in some bigger conspiracy.
就像今天 3/4 的美国人一样，她认为他卷入了一些更大的阴谋。
Though her ideas about that conspiracy included a few scenarios that The Warren Commission probably didn't bother to investigate.
尽管她关于该阴谋的想法包括沃伦委员会可能没有费心调查的一些场景。
Like her theory that the owners of Neiman Marcus were behind the assassination.
就像她认为内曼·马库斯 (Neiman Marcus) 老板是暗杀事件幕后黑手的理论一样。
Or the one that Lee's Russian wife, Marina Nikolayevna Prusakova was French, not Russian.
或者说李的俄罗斯妻子玛丽娜·尼古拉耶夫娜·普鲁萨科娃是法国人，而不是俄罗斯人。
Or the one that Lee was under surveillance back at Arlington Heights High School.
或者李在阿灵顿高地高中时受到监视的那个。
Lee, when we came back to Texas from New Orleans and he entered Arlington Heights High School, he entered in the end of September, I think is when school opens-- oh, let's give and take, the middle of September.
李，当我们从新奥尔良回到德克萨斯州时，他进入了阿灵顿高地高中，他在九月底入学，我想是学校开学的时候——哦，让我们交换一下，九月中旬。
And Lee joined the service on October the 17th.
Lee于10月17日入伍。
So approximately, he was in school four weeks.
大约他在学校待了四个星期。
Yet, there are three pictures of my son for the yearbook.
然而，年鉴上有我儿子的三张照片。
Now why pick out Lee Harvey Oswald?
那么为什么选择李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德呢？
Now you'll say, Mrs. Oswald, I don't get the point.
现在你会说，奥斯瓦尔德夫人，我不明白这一点。
Well, the point is it goes on, and on, and on, and on.
嗯，重点是它会继续、继续、继续、继续。
This is an instance here, that Lee Harvey Oswald's picture was taken three times at Arlington Heights High School out of all the boys.
这是一个例子，李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德的照片在阿灵顿高地高中的所有男孩中被拍了三张。
You understand what I mean?
你明白我的意思吗？
And this goes on and on.
这种情况一直持续下去。
It looks as though this boy's life has been supervised.
看来这个男孩的一生都受到了监视。
There are some people who would like to think that I have hallucinations.
有些人可能会认为我出现了幻觉。
I know.
我知道。
It's been already said in The Warren Commission Report.
沃伦委员会报告中已经说过了。
It was asked by some of the attorneys, point blank, words put in their mouth.
这是一些律师问的，直白地说，是从他们嘴里说出来的。
Do you think your mother or do you think-- to my sister-- that your sister has hallucinations?
你认为你的母亲，或者你认为——对我妹妹来说——你的妹妹有幻觉吗？
Because why?
因为为什么？
Because I notice the inaccuracies and the coincidences and things that don't jive?
因为我注意到了不准确、巧合和不和谐的事情？
Because I know some who wouldn't hesitate to try to make a mental case out of me.
因为我知道有些人会毫不犹豫地试图从我身上找出心理理由。
And believe me, if anybody's in their right mind, it's Mrs. Marguerite Oswald.
相信我，如果有人头脑清醒的话，那就是玛格丽特·奥斯瓦尔德夫人。
There's a way in which the kind of mother Mrs. Oswald most resembled was a stage mother.
在某种程度上，奥斯瓦尔德夫人最像的母亲就是一位舞台母亲。
When Lee was in Russia, she traveled to Washington to personally petition President Kennedy to get him to come home.
当李在俄罗斯时，她前往华盛顿亲自请愿肯尼迪总统让他回国。
She spent most of each day managing her son's posthumous career, clipping articles, sending out photographs, phoning reporters, analyzing The Warren Report for character and motivation.
她每天的大部分时间都花在管理儿子死后的事业上，剪报文章、发送照片、给记者打电话、分析《沃伦报告》的性格和动机。
But what happens when a stage mother becomes famous too?
但当舞台母亲也出名时会发生什么呢？
After the assassination, Mrs. Oswald toured the country, giving speeches about her son.
刺杀事件发生后，奥斯瓦尔德夫人巡游全国，发表有关她儿子的演讲。
She heard that Ernest Hemingway never gave away his autograph for free and started charging for hers too.
她听说欧内斯特·海明威从来没有免费赠送过他的签名，而且也开始向她收费。
She had a sense that she'd been picked to be in history, that she'd been cast in a great American epic.
她有一种感觉，她被选入历史，被选为一部伟大的美国史诗的主角。
When there was news about Lee and she wasn't included, she was offended.
当有关于李的消息而她没有被包括在内时，她感到被冒犯了。
For instance, when Lee's diary mysteriously appeared, she couldn't believe that the FBI didn't call to see if she'd been the one to release it.
例如，当李的日记神秘出现时，她不敢相信联邦调查局没有打电话询问她是否是发布日记的人。
After the third day, I called the FBI, which is in Dallas.
第三天后，我给位于达拉斯的联邦调查局打电话。
And I forget the man's name, and I told him who I was.
我忘记了那个人的名字，但我告诉了他我是谁。
And I said, I have been waiting for somebody to come over and question me about the release of the so-called diary.
我说，我一直在等有人过来质问我关于所谓日记被公开的事情。
And I said, nobody has.
我说，没有人有。
And he said, well, do you have the diary, Mrs. Oswald?
他说，好吧，你有日记吗，奥斯瓦尔德夫人？
And I said, no, I don't.
我说，不，我不。
But I just can't imagine all the fuss about the diary and not coming and asking if I released the diary.
但我无法想象关于这本日记的所有大惊小怪，而不是过来询问我是否发布了这本日记。
He said, because they know you didn't have it.
他说，因为他们知道你没有。
But you see, now this is a good example of agent or of whatever you want to say.
但你看，现在这是代理或任何你想说的内容的一个很好的例子。
Because, here, I could have had the diary if they were sincere.
因为，在这里，如果他们是真诚的，我本可以得到这本日记。
Let's face it.
让我们面对现实吧。
You see, one and one don't make two.
你看，一加一不能等于二。
My book's going to be One and One Don't Make Two or This and That.
我的书将是《一加一不等于二》或《这个和那个》。
Those are the titles I'd like to have.
这些是我想要的头衔。
Mrs. Oswald honestly didn't understand why she didn't get the same kind of sympathy Mrs. Kennedy did.
老实说，奥斯瓦尔德夫人不明白为什么她没有得到肯尼迪夫人那样的同情。
She felt a kind of kinship with her.
她对她有一种亲切感。
In Mrs. Oswald's mind, they'd gone through something very similar.
在奥斯瓦尔德夫人看来，他们经历过非常相似的事情。
I'm not unhappy, Jean.
我并没有不高兴，琼。
You can see I'm not.
你可以看到我不是。
But really, I am a mother in history.
但实际上，我是一位历史上的母亲。
I'm all over the world.
我遍布世界各地。
My son's the one accused.
我的儿子是被告之一。
History's been made because of him.
历史因他而创造。
And here, we have Mrs. Kennedy very well and Marina very well.
在这里，肯尼迪夫人和玛丽娜都很好。
And here, I'm wondering where my next meal is coming from.
在这里，我想知道我的下一顿饭从哪里来。
And it's almost unbelievable.
这几乎令人难以置信。
Sometimes it's almost like a spiritual thing because if you research Jesus Christ's mother, you never heard any more about the mother of Jesus, Mary, after he was crucified on the cross.
有时这几乎就像是一种精神上的事情，因为如果你研究耶稣基督的母亲，你就再也没有听说过耶稣的母亲玛丽，在他被钉在十字架上之后。
At the end of the day, when her driver arrived to pick her up, Jean Stafford decided to leave the tape recorders at Mrs. Oswald's house overnight.
一天结束时，当她的司机来接她时，吉恩·斯塔福德决定把录音机留在奥斯瓦尔德夫人家里过夜。
They were heavy, and she was coming back the next day anyway.
它们很重，无论如何她第二天就会回来。
Early the next morning, Stafford lay in bed, dreading her session with Mrs. Oswald.
第二天一早，斯塔福德躺在床上，害怕与奥斯瓦尔德夫人会面。
"My impulse was to eliminate the day by taking a sleeping pill," she confessed.
“我的冲动是通过服用安眠药来消除这一天，”她承认道。
While Stafford dawdled in her hotel room, Mrs. Oswald picked up the microphone and started to speak.
当斯塔福德在酒店房间里闲逛时，奥斯瓦尔德夫人拿起麦克风开始讲话。
It was Mother's Day.
那天是母亲节。
Jean, you left the tape recorders yesterday afternoon in my home, which was Saturday, so that we could work again about an hour today.
琼，你昨天下午把录音机留在了我家，那是星期六，这样我们今天就可以再工作大约一个小时。
Upon waking up this morning, and it being Mother's Day, I've decided that in defense of myself and my son, Lee Harvey Oswald, I would put a little something on the tape.
今天早上醒来，今天是母亲节，我决定为了保护我自己和我的儿子李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德，我会在磁带上放一些东西。
I sincerely hope that you will find it newsworthy and print it.
我真诚地希望您会发现它具有新闻价值并打印出来。
Mrs. Oswald began reading from The Warren Report, page 378, which describes how she left Lee home alone a lot when she had a job selling insurance.
奥斯瓦尔德夫人开始阅读《沃伦报告》第 378 页，其中描述了当李从事保险销售工作时，她经常把李独自留在家里。
"This is not true," she exclaimed.
“这不是真的，”她惊呼道。
From there, she pointed out that telling Lee not to talk to strangers did not make him a loner and offered menus of the nutritious dinners she cooked for her family, such as spaghetti and meatballs.
从那时起，她指出，告诉李不要与陌生人说话并不会让他变得孤独，并提供了她为家人做的营养晚餐的菜单，例如意大利面和肉丸。
"This," Jean Stafford writes, "is what she witnessed as her car crept up the street in a rainstorm."
“这，”吉恩·斯塔福德写道，“她的车在暴雨中缓慢行驶在街道上时亲眼目睹了这一幕。”
Somewhere in the neighborhood, a voice, much amplified, was blaring.
附近的某个地方，有一个声音被放大了很多，很刺耳。
"I thought at first it was coming from the soundtrack of a political candidate on a mobile stump or from one advertising an American Legion carnival.
“我一开始以为它来自移动树桩上一位政治候选人的配乐，或者来自美国军团嘉年华的广告配乐。
But as I got out of the car, I realized that it was pouring out of Mrs. Oswald's house and that the voice belonged to her." Mrs. Oswald was playing back the tape she had made that morning, doing the work she'd devoted her life to, answering questions no one had asked, piling detail on detail, amplifying her voice in a quiet neighborhood where nobody seemed to be listening.
但当我下车时，我意识到声音是从奥斯瓦尔德夫人的房子里涌出来的，而且声音是属于她的。”奥斯瓦尔德夫人正在回放她那天早上录制的磁带，做着她毕生致力于的工作，回答没有人问过的问题，把细节堆砌起来，在一个似乎没有人在听的安静社区里放大她的声音。
Really and truly, as I say, this is Mother's Day I'm taping.
确实，正如我所说，这是我正在录制的母亲节。
And I'm very proud of the role that I played as a mother.
我对自己扮演的母亲角色感到非常自豪。
This American Life producer Susan Burton.
这位《美国生活》制片人苏珊·伯顿。
Act Three, You Don't Have To Be An Einstein.
第三幕，你不必成为爱因斯坦。
After he died, here are some of the unfortunate things that happened to physicist Albert Einstein.
物理学家阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦去世后，以下是发生在他身上的一些不幸的事情。
He started showing up as a comic character in Hollywood films.
他开始在好莱坞电影中以喜剧角色的身份出现。
He appeared in Pepsi ads with that evil little girl.
他和那个邪恶的小女孩一起出现在百事可乐广告中。
And until very recently, his very brain was on the loose without his family's consent in the unauthorized possession of the doctor who did the autopsy, a man named Thomas Harvey.
直到最近，他的大脑在未经家人同意的情况下一直被进行尸检的医生托马斯·哈维（Thomas Harvey）擅自占有。
Mike Paterniti recently took a cross country road trip with Doctor Harvey and the brain.
迈克·帕特尼蒂最近与哈维医生和大脑进行了一次越野公路旅行。
At one point, in search of the global epicenter of those who have attached themselves to Einstein after the physicist's death, Mike headed to Japan.
有一次，为了寻找物理学家爱因斯坦去世后那些追随他的人的全球中心，迈克前往日本。
Kenji Sugimoto is an obscure math professor at a place called Kinki University in Osaka, Japan.
杉本健二是日本大阪近畿大学一位默默无闻的数学教授。
He is also one of the most prolific collectors of Einsteiniana in the world.
他也是世界上最多产的爱因斯坦收藏家之一。
When I find him at his office at Kinki, he's wearing a green tie with Einstein's face on it.
当我在近畿的办公室找到他时，他系着一条印有爱因斯坦头像的绿色领带。
He offers me a seat, then realizes it's occupied by a huge canvas, a crude, though heartfelt portrait of Einstein in later life.
他给了我一个座位，然后意识到它被一块巨大的画布占据，这是爱因斯坦晚年生活的粗糙但真诚的肖像。
He briefly admires it, by way of registering its importance, and sets it on the floor next to a trembling tower of Einstein books.
他短暂地欣赏了这本书，以表明它的重要性，然后把它放在地板上，旁边是一座颤抖的爱因斯坦书籍塔。
He produces a cache of black-and-white photographs, marking Einstein's progress through Japan during his 1922 trip here.
他制作了一系列黑白照片，记录了爱因斯坦 1922 年日本之行的历程。
These are among his most prized possessions.
这些是他最珍贵的财产之一。
Einstein, wearing a heavy overcoat and wide-brimmed hat against the December chill, looking more exorcist than physicist.
爱因斯坦穿着厚重的大衣，戴着宽边帽子来抵御十二月的寒冷，看起来更像是驱魔人而不是物理学家。
Einstein jamming on a piano.
爱因斯坦弹奏钢琴。
Einstein standing before a chalkboard scrawled with inscrutable equations, a nimbus of numbers about his head, under the rapt gaze of his audience.
爱因斯坦站在一块黑板前，黑板上潦草地写着难以理解的方程式，他的头上充满了数字的灵气，在观众全神贯注的注视下。
As we riffle through the photographs, the professor runs his fingers over them as if reading Braille, traces the path on which Einstein is seen walking, gently touches the great scientist's head.
当我们翻阅这些照片时，教授用手指抚摸着照片，就像在阅读盲文一样，追踪着爱因斯坦行走的路径，轻轻地触摸了这位伟大科学家的头部。
We're interrupted by a knock at the door, three sharp raps, and then in step the polished wingtips of a man introduced to me only as Abe, Kenji's good friend and secretary of the Einstein World Congress, an organization founded by Sugimoto to further cooperation among Einstein scholars and enthusiasts as well as to establish the first-ever Albert Einstein museum.
我们被一阵敲门声打断，三声尖锐的敲门声，然后一个男人用光亮的翼尖向我介绍了他，他只是健二的好朋友和爱因斯坦世界大会的秘书。该组织由杉本创立，旨在进一步加强爱因斯坦学者和爱好者之间的合作，并建立第一个阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦博物馆。
Abe is dressed in a very sharp, shiny suit, the coral color of the sea off Bora Bora.
安倍穿着一套非常锋利、闪亮的西装，颜色是波拉波拉岛海域的珊瑚色。
Sugimoto and Abe stand amid the clutter of Sugimoto's office, talking turkey.
杉本和安倍站在杉本杂乱的办公室里，聊着火鸡。
They need $3 million to make the museum work.
他们需要 300 万美元来维持博物馆的运转。
And most of all, they need the support of the powerful Mr. Kobe, the director of Kinki University and the man who apparently can make it rain gold doubloons if he likes the cut of your jib.
最重要的是，他们需要强大的神户先生的支持，神户先生是近畿大学的校长，如果他喜欢你的前臂剪裁，他显然可以让金币下雨。
Abe is here to join us for lunch with the powerful Mr. Kobe.
安倍来这里是为了和我们一起与强大的科比先生共进午餐。
And when Sugimoto consults his wristwatch and realizes we're late, both World Congress members suddenly look stricken, compose themselves, straighten their respective ties, slap each other on the back as a kind of psych, then lead me out of the office and up the elevator.
当杉本查看手表并意识到我们迟到时，两位世界大会成员突然表情震惊，镇静下来，整理好各自的领带，互相拍拍对方的背作为一种通灵的方式，然后带我走出办公室，上了电梯。
When I first spy the powerful Mr. Kobe, he is sitting behind a large desk, chatting on the phone.
当我第一次看到强大的科比先生时，他正坐在一张大桌子后面打电话。
He is a larger man than either Sugimoto or Abe, with big hands and an impassive face.
他比杉本和安倍都身材高大，有一双大手和一张冷漠的脸。
He has a way of looking through a person to the skeleton reality of who you really are.
他有办法看透一个人的本质，了解你的真实身份。
He gives me a grave look and a bone-crushing handshake.
他严肃地看了我一眼，并与我握手，握手令人心碎。
I'm introduced as an American scholar though he doesn't even pretend to buy that nonsense.
我被介绍为一名美国学者，尽管他甚至不假装相信这种废话。
In his presence, even Sugimoto is more subdued, a bit more manly.
在他面前，连杉本都显得更加柔和，更有男子气概。
There's some tough guy small talk, and the powerful Mr. Kobe's voice is a low, commanding rumble like a tank unit running through an abandoned village.
There's some tough guy small talk, and the powerful Mr. Kobe's voice is a low, commanding rumble like a tank unit running through an abandoned village.
Everything rides behind it.
一切都在它后面。
With the food, the mood lightens.
有了食物，心情就变得轻松起来。
Abe lays out a business plan for the Einstein museum.
安倍制定了爱因斯坦博物馆的商业计划。
And Sugimoto breaks in every now and again with a statement, uttered seriously, that seems utterly unserious.
杉本时不时地插话，语气严肃，却显得完全不严肃。
With each intervention, the powerful Mr. Kobe lets out a low, Lurch-like growl, as if stricken by indigestion, then goes back to chain smoking.
每次干预时，强大的科比都会发出一声低沉的、类似突然的咆哮，仿佛消化不良，然后又开始抽烟。
When the powerful Mr. Kobe gazes out at the Kusunoki Mountains, he seems to be considering the cost benefit neon-light proposition of Kinki University's Einstein museum, a place where day and night, the citizens of the world will stand on line, pockets bursting with Yen.
When the powerful Mr. Kobe gazes out at the Kusunoki Mountains, he seems to be considering the cost benefit neon-light proposition of Kinki University's Einstein museum, a place where day and night, the citizens of the world will stand on line, pockets bursting with Yen.
Next up is the teacher's lounge, where Kenji seats me on a naugahyde couch, then rushes from the room and returns with a videotape, a 1994 BBC documentary about Kenji's journey to America to find Doctor Thomas Harvey and Einstein's brain.
Next up is the teacher's lounge, where Kenji seats me on a naugahyde couch, then rushes from the room and returns with a videotape, a 1994 BBC documentary about Kenji's journey to America to find Doctor Thomas Harvey and Einstein's brain.
Kenji refers to it as "my movie." In it, he crisscrosses the country on a bizarre, month-long odyssey from the corridors of Princeton Hospital to a succession of humdrum Midwestern towns, dogging anyone who might know anything about Einstein's brain until he finds Doctor Harvey in Lawrence, Kansas, an old man sleeping on a sofa bed in a cramped apartment.
Kenji 将其称为“我的电影”。 In it, he crisscrosses the country on a bizarre, month-long odyssey from the corridors of Princeton Hospital to a succession of humdrum Midwestern towns, dogging anyone who might know anything about Einstein's brain until he finds Doctor Harvey in Lawrence, Kansas, an old man sleeping on a sofa bed in a cramped apartment.
When Kenji requests a piece of Einstein's brain, Harvey takes a steak knife from a kitchen drawer, places his hand in a glass cookie jar full of brain, and fishes out a slab, plopping it on a wood cutting board, where he silently begins slicing.
When Kenji requests a piece of Einstein's brain, Harvey takes a steak knife from a kitchen drawer, places his hand in a glass cookie jar full of brain, and fishes out a slab, plopping it on a wood cutting board, where he silently begins slicing.
And it is here where the off-screen Kenji, the real Kenji, intervenes.
正是在这里，银幕外的健二，真正的健二介入了。
Impatiently, emphatically, he plunks a white canister on the table before me, switching off the television, then pacing around the table a couple of times.
他不耐烦地、强调地把一个白色罐子扔到我面前的桌子上，关掉电视，然后绕着桌子来回踱步。
Then he rolls up his sleeves, loosens the knot of his tie, and unlids it.
然后他卷起袖子，松开领带的结，打开盖子。
Inside the canister is a tea tin, a purple Twinings container, flavor Lapsang Souchong.
罐子里有一个茶叶罐，一个紫色的Twinings容器，正山小种口味。
Kenji gently removes it and, again, pries off another lid.
Kenji 轻轻地将其取下，然后再次撬开另一个盖子。
Here, he reaches slowly into its dark gullet and pulls out two wide-mouthed, plastic pill containers.
在这里，他慢慢地把手伸进黑暗的食道，拿出两个广口的塑料药盒。
These, he ceremoniously sets on the table, as if he's handling two Faberge eggs.
他隆重地将这些放在桌子上，就好像他正在处理两个法贝热彩蛋一样。
When he screws off these last lids, we both draw close, expectantly.
当他拧开最后的盖子时，我们满怀期待地靠得很近。
"Einstein brain," says Kenji, beaming broadly, gesturing to the formaldehyde pools in each container.
“爱因斯坦的大脑，”健二笑着说道，指着每个容器中的甲醛池。
The smell catches me first.
气味首先吸引了我。
I come forward, breathing solely through my mouth.
我向前走去，只用嘴呼吸。
What floats in the liquid looks less like a brain than a sneeze, just gobby pieces of phlegm.
漂浮在液体中的东西看起来不太像大脑，而更像是一个喷嚏，只是一些粘稠的痰。
"Shono," Kenji blurts, in his excitement, momentarily abandoning his English.
“Shono，”健二兴奋地脱口而出，暂时放弃了他的英语。
"Cerebellum," shaped like a bonsai tree.
“小脑”，形状像盆景树。
"Piece of Einstein's brain bring harmony," he says.
“爱因斯坦大脑的一部分带来了和谐，”他说。
"My spirit belongs to Einstein's brain." He riffles through a Japanese-English dictionary that he has brought with him from his office.
“我的灵魂属于爱因斯坦的大脑。”他翻阅了从办公室带来的一本日英词典。
"Shugo," he says.
“修戈，”他说。
"Divine protection." Then "ishiki." "Consciousness, oneself." We sit in silence.
“神圣保护。”然后是“石”。 “意识，自己。”我们静静地坐着。
And after a time, I move closer to the floating brain bits again.
过了一会儿，我再次靠近漂浮的大脑碎片。
"But what does it mean," I ask him, both repulsed and fascinated.
“但这是什么意思？”我既厌恶又着迷地问他。
Kenji furrows his brow, starts to speak, then stops, then starts again, considers the question at length, trying to forge the perfect grammatical sentence.
健二皱起眉头，开始说话，然后停下来，然后又开始，仔细考虑这个问题，试图打造出一个完美的语法句子。
"To be or not to be," he says.
“存在或不存在，”他说。
"This is what Einstein's brain is all about."
“这就是爱因斯坦大脑的全部意义所在。”
After seeing the brain, there is nothing to do but celebrate by going to a karaoke lounge, a favorite haunt of Kenji and his colleagues.
看到大脑后，除了去卡拉 OK 厅庆祝一下之外，没有什么可做的，这是 Kenji 和他的同事最喜欢去的地方。
There are seven or eight ladies who attend to the clientele, a collection of suited men in various states of besotment.
有七八位女士在接待顾客，这些顾客是一群穿着西装、处于不同状态的男人。
I'm introduced to Miss Michiko Miyata, the matron of the lounge.
我被介绍给休息室的女服务员宫田美智子小姐。
A short, friendly, over-busy woman who employs a quiet arsenal of hand signals, whispers, rib-prodding, and foot-stamping, all with a smile to keep her girls in line and on the ready.
一位身材矮小、友好、过于忙碌的女人，她会使用一系列安静的手势、低声说话、戳肋骨和跺脚，所有这些都面带微笑，让她的女儿们保持整齐划一，做好准备。
The hostesses have names like Jun and Kyoko.
女主人的名字是 Jun 和 Kyoko。
And one 19-year-old Chinese singer, with eyes of soft, brown liquid, is called Lily.
一位 19 岁的中国歌手名叫莉莉，她的眼睛是柔和的棕色液体。
Of all people, the powerful Mr. Kobe is here too, wearing his Noh mask of no expression, sitting in a dark corner, accepting visits from his minions, chain smoking Omar Sharif cigarettes, and making neat work of his whiskey.
在所有人中，强大的科比先生也在这里，戴着他面无表情的能剧面具，坐在黑暗的角落里，接受他的爪牙的拜访，一根接一根地抽着奥马尔·谢里夫香烟，并熟练地调配着他的威士忌。
He is here, I'm told, six nights a week, all except Sunday.
据我所知，他每周有六个晚上都在这里，除了周日。
The powerful Mr. Kobe regards me from behind a wraith of smoke, but shows no flicker of recognition.
强大的科比先生在烟雾的幽灵后面注视着我，但没有表现出任何认可的迹象。
The set of his face is severe, a perpetual frown from the heavy, heavy weight of his world.
他的表情很严肃，因为他的世界的沉重而永远皱着眉头。
One of the most pleasant surprises of the night is that Kenji has a beautiful Wayne Newton voice, a supple manliness in the notes he sings to a syrupy Japanese favorite, "Blue Airport," the tale of two lovers separated by a plane trip of some sort, thankfully reunited when the return ticket is executed.
当晚最令人惊喜的事情之一是 Kenji 有着美妙的 Wayne Newton 嗓音，他在日本人最爱的一首甜蜜的歌曲《蓝色机场》中演唱的音符中充满了柔和的男子气概，这首歌讲述了两个恋人因某种飞机旅行而分开的故事，谢天谢地，在执行回程机票后又团聚了。
He sways, he closes a fist to show pain.
他身体摇晃，握紧拳头以示痛苦。
After some point in the evening, everyone is sloshed and beginning on a maudlin march to some unknown destination.
晚上的某个时刻之后，每个人都喝得酩酊大醉，开始悲伤地向某个未知的目的地行进。
The hostess named Lily has sung with a slew of men.
女主人名叫莉莉，曾和很多男人一起唱歌。
And now, I'm told, that this is Lily's last evening with the troops after three years of singing at this lounge, of being in all of their lives.
现在，我被告知，这是莉莉在这个休息室唱歌三年后与部队在一起的最后一个晚上，这是莉莉在他们一生中度过的。
She is going back to China in the morning.
她将于早上返回中国。
It is very late when, at the proddings of the patrons, Lily picks up one of the cordless mics and begins a slow, sad goodbye song in Chinese.
天色已晚，在顾客的催促下，莉莉拿起一个无绳麦克风，开始用中文唱一首缓慢、悲伤的告别歌。
She is unquestionably stunning, long, black hair, full lips, a thin back partially revealed by her gown.
她毫无疑问是令人惊叹的，长长的黑发，丰满的嘴唇，长袍露出了部分瘦削的背部。
As she sweetly finds the notes, as she throws herself into one last song, I realize people are weeping-- the hostesses, the men, Kenji.
当她甜蜜地找到音符，当她投入最后一首歌曲时，我意识到人们在哭泣——女主人、男人们、健二。
And Lily, who has been doing just fine, begins to falter, realizes that this is it, that her life lived at night in the cozy confines of this purple-lit lounge, among so many men who have become like fathers to her, among her fellow sisters, who have watched her become a woman, this life of money and freedom and joy will so cruelly end with a short flight to Beijing and the prison of her family.
一直过得很好的莉莉开始动摇，意识到就是这样了，她的生活在晚上在这个紫色灯光的休息室舒适的范围内度过，周围有这么多对她来说像父亲一样的男人，还有她的姐妹们，他们看着她变成一个女人，这种金钱、自由和快乐的生活将在飞往北京的短途航班和家人的监狱中残酷地结束。
And then she is blubbering, honest wails that she tries to suppress, her grief monstrously revealed in the professional spotlight.
然后她开始哭泣，真诚地哭泣，但她试图压抑，她的悲伤在职业聚光灯下可怕地暴露出来。
The music carries on without her, mournfully, slowly, but with a trace of seeming malice now.
音乐在没有她的情况下继续进行，悲伤、缓慢，但现在带着一丝恶意。
Though she is trying not to lose face, she can only eke out a word or two of each verse in an attempt to catch up, bent at the waist, covering her eyes.
尽管她努力不丢面子，但她只能弯着腰，遮住眼睛，每节经文只能勉强念出一两个字，试图跟上。
In her last act as a karaoke lounge singer, she is dying on stage.
在她作为卡拉 OK 歌手的最后一次表演中，她在舞台上死去。
A wave of discomfort washes over the room.
一股不适感席卷整个房间。
But then suddenly, just as one hostess begins to rush toward the crumpled girl, a voice rises out of nowhere like a large-winged bird.
但突然间，正当一位女主人开始冲向皱巴巴的女孩时，不知从何而来，有一个声音像一只大翅膀的鸟一样升起。
Out of the shadows in the room, on a second cordless mic, a strong, full-timbred voice, deep and sure, conveying with each note the ache and pathos of goodbye, the rent feelings of everyone in the room, the death of this era, the Lily years.
从房间的阴影中，第二个无绳麦克风传来了有力、音色饱满的声音，深沉而坚定，每一个音符都传达着告别的痛苦和悲怆，房间里每个人的悲痛，这个时代的消亡，百合岁月。
There is so much emotion in it, a remarkable lifetime of feeling, really, and yet such strength that even Lily looks up from where she is kneeling, a single tear sparkling on her cheek.
其中蕴藏着如此多的情感，一种非凡的一生的感觉，真的，但这种力量是如此强大，甚至连莉莉也从跪着的地方抬起头来，一滴泪水在她的脸颊上闪闪发光。
And rising from his table, stepping into the spotlight is-- impossible-- the powerful Mr. Kobe.
强大的科比先生从桌子上站起来，成为聚光灯下的人是不可能的。
He stands before Lily in his well-tailored suit though he doesn't offer her a hand.
他穿着剪裁考究的西装站在莉莉面前，但没有向她伸出援助之手。
He just sings.
他只是唱歌。
Lily, looking up to him, gains her balance, rises from the floor, and begins to sing again too.
莉莉抬头看着他，保持平衡，从地板上站起来，也开始唱歌。
And he carries her right to the end.
他陪着她走到最后。
And everybody is bawling.
每个人都在嚎啕大哭。
When the song is over, Lily smiles, then turns to the powerful Mr. Kobe and bows to him.
当歌曲结束时，莉莉微笑着，然后转向强大的科比先生，向他鞠躬。
He nods stiffly, retires to his table, and then later, when she visits him one last time, he presents her with an envelope full of money.
他僵硬地点点头，回到自己的桌子旁，后来，当她最后一次拜访他时，他递给她一个装满钱的信封。
Even as formality and reticence slowly reassert themselves, something has happened here that no one will forget.
尽管正式和沉默寡言慢慢地重新出现，但这里发生了一些没人会忘记的事情。
It's one of the most honest acts of love I've ever witnessed.
这是我见过的最诚实的爱的行为之一。
Out in the early morning street, six of us pile into a cab, Kenji, me, and some of his inebriated friends.
在清晨的街道上，我们六个人挤进一辆出租车，健二、我和他的一些喝醉了的朋友。
No one says anything.
没有人说什么。
We just watch as the neon lights of downtown Osaka fall into the melancholy swirl of the river.
我们只是看着大阪市中心的霓虹灯落入忧郁的河流漩涡中。
During the war, after Tokyo was firebombed, American fighter jets attacked Osaka, destroying much of the downtown where we now drive.
战争期间，东京遭到燃烧弹袭击后，美国战斗机袭击了大阪，摧毁了我们现在驾车行驶的市中心的大部分地区。
Kenji himself was born in the short years after his own hometown, Nagasaki, was obliterated.
贤治本人是在他的家乡长崎被毁灭后的短短几年里出生的。
His parents somehow survived the horrors of Einstein's most dubious legacy, the bomb.
他的父母以某种方式从爱因斯坦最可疑的遗产——原子弹的恐怖中幸存下来。
It's only when we come to where I'm staying, only after I've gotten out of the cab and placed a hand on its closed door, that Kenji comes down from some faraway place in his mind.
只有当我们到达我住的地方，只有当我下了出租车，把手放在紧闭的车门上时，健二才从他脑海中某个遥远的地方走下来。
"To be, Mr. Michael," he says.
“迈克尔先生，”他说。
"It's much better to be."
“这样好多了。”
Mike Paterniti reading an excerpt from his book Driving Mr. Albert.
迈克·帕特尼蒂 (Mike Paterniti) 正在阅读他的著作《驾驶阿尔伯特先生》(Driving Mr. Albert) 的摘录。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia who says that he is not defensive.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 负责监督，他表示自己并不具有防御性。
You just have to remember.
你只需要记住。
I am in 26 volumes of the president's report which is all over the world.
我在世界各地的26卷总统报告中。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。