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Prologue Ira Glass Monica Childs worked her way up on the police force in Detroit, from patrol to the vice squad to homicide.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 莫妮卡·柴尔兹在底特律的警察队伍中一步步晋升，从巡逻队到刑警队，再到凶杀案。
She was part of an elite team of investigators.
她是精英调查小组的一员。
But why'd she become a police officer?
但她为什么会成为一名警察呢？
I became the police because I didn't like the police.
我成为警察是因为我不喜欢警察。
During the time I grew up, the police officers I always saw in my community were always male and white, over six feet tall.
在我长大的过程中，我在社区里看到的警察都是男性、白人，身高超过六英尺。
It was rare that a police officer talked to you like you were a human being.
很少有警察像人一样与你交谈。
Everything was always confrontational.
一切总是对抗性的。
And I always saw police officers as the biggest gang in town.
我一直将警察视为镇上最大的帮派。
It's just a gang, a band of hoodlums with badges.
这只是一个团伙，一群戴着徽章的流氓。
And I always wondered, did they go around recruiting them like this or putting ads in the paper that you must have a bad attitude and misuse and abuse the citizens?
我一直想知道，他们是不是到处这样招募他们，或者在报纸上刊登广告，说你一定态度恶劣，滥用和虐待公民？
Where did these people come from?
这些人从哪里来？
So I thought, well, OK, all police officers aren't bad.
所以我想，好吧，所有的警察都不错。
There's got to be some good ones somewhere.
一定有一些好的地方。
And so she joined the force to try to change the system from inside.
于是她加入了试图从内部改变体制的力量。
And on the job, she saw how police get to be the way they are, how police band together.
在工作中，她看到了警察如何成为现在的样子，警察如何团结在一起。
When they make mistakes, they never admit it, she says.
她说，当他们犯错误时，他们从不承认。
They cover up each other's mistakes, almost from the time they come onto the force.
几乎从入伍开始，他们就互相掩盖对方的错误。
These people would come on with their own ideas and opinions.
这些人会提出自己的想法和意见。
And then, they would adapt these other people's attitudes.
然后，他们会调整其他人的态度。
Everybody became one, like a marriage, because police organizations reward people for what?
每个人都成为一体，就像婚姻一样，因为警察组织奖励人们什么？
They reward everybody for being the same.
他们奖励每个人都一样。
If you're different, you're ostracized or you have problems.
如果你与众不同，你就会被排斥或者遇到问题。
Banding together, there's nothing wrong with banding together.
团结起来，团结起来，没有什么错。
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
这绝对没有什么问题。
That's not the problem.
那不是问题。
The problem is when you band together, and you all act in concert to lie, perpetuate a scenario that didn't happen.
问题是，当你们联合起来，并且一致行动去撒谎时，就会延续一个没有发生的场景。
That's where the problem lies.
这就是问题所在。
And you got that one little meek person that doesn't want to go along, but goes along because, "We're all police, and we got to stick together.
你会遇到一个温顺的小人，他不想随波逐流，但还是随波逐流，因为“我们都是警察，我们必须团结在一起。
It's us against them." Where else do you hear that?
是我们反对他们。”你还能在哪里听到这样的说法？
Gangs-- us against them.
帮派——我们反对他们。
And that "them" that you're referring to, "us against them," I like those people out there.
你所指的“他们”，“我们反对他们”，我喜欢那里的那些人。
I like the public at large.
我喜欢广大公众。
So whenever Monica Childs started on a new job at the force, she would let everybody know how she felt about things.
因此，每当莫妮卡·蔡尔兹在警队开始新工作时，她都会让每个人都知道她对事情的感受。
And it was always interesting because I'd tell them, I say, "You know, I don't lie and cover up for anybody.
这总是很有趣，因为我会告诉他们，我说，“你知道，我不会为任何人撒谎和掩盖。
Whatever you do, if it's wrong, and I'm asked about it, I will tell.
无论你做什么，如果错了，如果有人问我，我会告诉你。
I'm not covering for you.
我不是替你掩护。
I'm not going to lie for you.
我不会为你撒谎。
I won't even say I didn't see it or didn't hear.
我什至不会说我没有看到或没有听到。
But I don't want you to lie for me.
但我不想让你为我撒谎。
And I don't want you to cover up for me, either."
我也不希望你为我掩饰。”
And that approach worked for Monica Childs for years, until finally, in 1996, it stopped working.
这种方法对 Monica Childs 来说很有效，但最终在 1996 年不再奏效。
And her life as a cop became very difficult.
她作为警察的生活变得非常困难。
Today on our program, Can You Fight City Hall If You Are City Hall?
今天我们的节目《如果你是市政厅，你能和市政厅战斗吗？》
We bring you two stories, each about somebody trying to change the system from within, trying to be principled while working in government.
我们为您带来两个故事，每个故事都讲述了某人试图从内部改变体制，试图在政府工作时保持原则。
This is, of course, the July 4 holiday weekend.
当然，这是 7 月 4 日的周末假期。
And it's a holiday about a moment of idealism that created the American government.
这是一个关于创建美国政府的理想主义时刻的节日。
Our show today is about what happens to people trying to sustain that kind of idealism today.
我们今天的节目是关于今天试图维持这种理想主义的人们所发生的事情。
In each story, public-minded public servants end up fighting their colleagues.
在每个故事中，心怀公益的公务员最终都会与同事发生争斗。
It takes a toll on their lives.
这对他们的生活造成了影响。
They get harassed.
他们受到骚扰。
They lose their jobs.
他们失去了工作。
Act One, Take That, Copper, in which an honest cop tries to do the right thing, and a suspected murderer walks free as a result.
第一幕《拿走吧，铜》，一名诚实的警察试图做正确的事，结果一名杀人嫌疑犯逍遥法外。
Act Two, Man Versus Money, a small-town mayor tries to keep a developer from building in his town.
第二幕，人与钱，一个小镇的市长试图阻止开发商在他的小镇上建造房屋。
And it results in the kind of snowballing fiasco by the end of which, the town literally does not exist anymore.
这导致了滚雪球式的惨败，到最后，这个小镇实际上已经不存在了。
Alix Spiegel tells that story.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔讲述了这个故事。
From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One: Take That, Copper.
第一幕：拿那个，铜。
So Monica Child's troubles began on August 20, 1996.
莫妮卡·柴尔德的麻烦从 1996 年 8 月 20 日开始。
An 11-year-old boy was murdered the night before.
一名 11 岁男孩前一天晚上被谋杀。
And when she got to work, her commanding officer had a suspect in the crime sitting there in the office.
当她上班时，她的指挥官办公室里坐着一名犯罪嫌疑人。
She orders me to take his statement.
她命令我接受他的陈述。
I said, "Take his statement?" I say, "No."
我说：“接受他的陈述吗？”我说：“不。”
I try to get other people on the squad to do it.
我试着让队里的其他人也这么做。
Nobody else would do it.
没有其他人会这样做。
Because what she did was illegal, and she was trying to involve me in an illegal action.
因为她的行为是违法的，她是想把我卷入违法行为中。
It was illegal because her superior had made an improper promise to the suspect.
这是非法的，因为她的上级向嫌疑人做出了不当承诺。
She told him that if he confessed, he would be sent home, which of course was untrue.
她告诉他，如果他认罪，他就会被送回家，这当然是不真实的。
If he confessed, he would be thrown in jail and put on trial.
如果他认罪，他将被投入监狱并接受审判。
Monica Childs finally agreed to take his statement and the statement of another witness.
莫妮卡·蔡尔兹最终同意接受他的证词和另一名证人的证词。
But as their day in court approached, her boss kept coming into her office, asking what she was going to say in the hearing.
但随着出庭日期的临近，她的老板不断来到她的办公室，询问她在听证会上要说什么。
She came in this office.
她来到这个办公室。
I was sitting there.
我坐在那里。
She'd come in, and she says, "I need to know what you're going to say at the [?
她进来后说：“我需要知道你要在[？
Walken ?] hearing." I said, "I'm going to tell the truth."
沃肯？] 听力。”我说：“我要说实话。”
"I need to know exactly what you're going to say." I said, "Well, the truth of what I'm going to say, I went in saying I told you to straighten this mess up.
“我需要确切地知道你要说什么。”我说：“好吧，我要说的是实话，我说的是我告诉过你要纠正这个混乱的局面。
I'm not lying for you.
我没有为你撒谎。
I told you I wasn't going to lie for you.
我告诉过你我不会为你撒谎。
I'm going to tell the truth."
我要说实话。”
Finally, Monica Childs called the prosecuting attorney and told him what was going on, and the suspect's statement was thrown out.
最后，莫妮卡·蔡尔兹给检察官打电话，告诉他发生了什么事，嫌疑人的供述被驳回。
He not only went free, he sued the police department over the way they treated him and won a settlement of $15,000.
他不仅获得了自由，还就警察局对待他的方式提起诉讼，并赢得了 15,000 美元的和解。
This man, Reginald Vines, says that he is innocent of all charges.
这名男子名叫雷金纳德·瓦恩斯 (Reginald Vines)，他表示自己对所有指控都是清白的。
Meanwhile, Monica Childs's boss had her transferred to a job where she had no specific duties at all.
与此同时，莫妮卡·蔡尔兹的老板将她调到了一份没有任何具体职责的工作。
Friends on the force stopped speaking to her, people she'd known for years.
警队里的朋友不再和她说话了，那些她认识多年的人。
Police work is the kind of job where you work closely with other people, spending hours together tracking down leads, going over the case, just in each other's company.
警察的工作是一种你与其他人密切合作的工作，花几个小时一起追踪线索，审查案件，就在彼此的陪伴下。
Now this was gone.
现在这一切都消失了。
They were afraid to talk to me.
他们害怕和我说话。
They'd say, "Monica, wait 'til we get outside.
他们会说：“莫妮卡，等我们出去。
I'll talk to you outside because I don't want to get in the middle of this.
我会在外面和你说话，因为我不想卷入这件事。
I don't wan to be seen talking to you." I said, "Oh.
我不想让别人看见我在和你说话。”我说：“哦。
OK.
好的。
All right."
好吧。”
So I wasn't angry with them.
所以我并没有生他们的气。
I wish I could've gotten the National Enquirer to come, because I've never seen people walk without a spine.
我希望我能让《国家询问报》来，因为我从未见过有人没有脊椎走路。
And that definitely would've been an Enquirer or a Globe story.
那肯定会成为《国家询问报》或《环球报》的报道。
Retaliation against whistleblowers is so common that a Washington, DC group that tries to help government employees in this situation, the Government Accountability Project, put out a handbook warning potential whistleblowers that typically they can expect any and all of the following-- character attacks, threats, isolation, public humiliation, prosecution on trumped-up charges, the elimination of their jobs, blacklisting, even physical assaults.
对举报人的报复非常普遍，以至于华盛顿特区的一个试图在这种情况下帮助政府雇员的组织“政府问责项目”发布了一本手册，警告潜在的举报人，他们通常可能会遭受以下任何一种后果——人格攻击、威胁、孤立、公开羞辱、以捏造的罪名起诉、取消工作、列入黑名单，甚至人身攻击。
Childs sued the police department.
查尔兹起诉警察局。
The local press picked up the story.
当地媒体报道了这个故事。
And in the midst of all this, she got a phone call.
就在这一切发生的时候，她接到了一个电话。
"Hey, Miss Childs, how are you doing?" I said, "Who is this?" "Oh, this is Eric.
“嘿，蔡尔兹小姐，你好吗？”我说：“这是谁？” “哦，这是埃里克。
You don't remember me?" "No."
你不记得我了？” “不。”
The guy turned out to be a murderer who Monica Childs had caught.
原来这个人是莫妮卡·蔡尔兹抓到的杀人犯。
I go "OK." I said, "Well, where are you?" "I'm in prison.
我说“好的”。我说：“那么，你在哪里？” “我在监狱里。
Remember, I got life." I said, "Oh.
记住，我有生命。”我说：“哦。
OK.
好的。
What you want?"
你想要什么？”
He says, "We've been reading about all this trouble and all these problems that this police department trying to cause you.
他说：“我们一直在读到这个警察局试图给你们带来的所有这些麻烦和问题。
Me and some friends up here in prison that know you, you were their detective, too." I said, "I was their detective?
我和监狱里的一些朋友都认识你，你也是他们的侦探。”我说：“我是他们的侦探？
I thought you were entitled to have your own lawyer.
我认为你有权拥有自己的律师。
I didn't know you had your own detective."
我不知道你有自己的侦探。”
"Oh, yeah, yeah.
“哦，是啊，是啊。
It's about 12 or 13 of us.
我们大约有12或13个人。
We was sitting around.
我们坐在一起。
And if you need us to come and be character witnesses for you, you let us out, and we'll come down there because you was cool with us.
如果你需要我们来为你做品格见证人，你就让我们出去，我们就会下来，因为你对我们很冷淡。
When we went to trial, you didn't lie on us.
当我们接受审判时，你没有对我们撒谎。
You didn't add nothing to it.
你没有添加任何东西。
Most of us doing life, we got big time.
我们大多数人都在过着美好的生活。
But we was wrong.
但我们错了。
But I just appreciated the way you get me.
但我很欣赏你对待我的方式。
And you didn't lie."
而且你没有说谎。”
And I'm like, OK.
我想，好吧。
I'm already depressed.
我已经郁闷了。
I'm already feeling bad.
我已经感觉很糟糕了。
When I got off the phone, I was crying.
挂断电话后，我哭了。
I felt so bad.
我感觉很糟糕。
I'm like, "This is my help?
我想，“这就是我的帮助吗？
13 killers, people with no credibility, they're going to help me?"
十三名杀手，没有信誉的人，他们会来帮我吗？”
In the end, Monica Childs won her suit against the police department.
最终，莫妮卡·蔡尔兹赢得了对警察局的诉讼。
And finally, sick of the whole thing, she retired from the force.
最后，她厌倦了这一切，从部队退休了。
The trouble with doing the right thing, of course, is that often, it is not clear what the right thing is.
当然，做正确的事情的麻烦在于，常常不清楚什么是正确的事情。
And just as often, doing the right thing has unintended consequences.
同样，做正确的事往往会带来意想不到的后果。
Monica Childs worries sometimes about the testimony that got thrown out because she put her foot down.
莫妮卡·蔡尔兹有时会担心因为她的坚持而导致证词被驳回。
It turns out that that testimony might have cleared another suspect in the crime, a man named Eddie James, who eventually was sentenced to 70 to 150 years for the murder.
事实证明，这份证词可能澄清了另一名犯罪嫌疑人、名叫埃迪·詹姆斯的男子，他最终因谋杀罪被判处 70 至 150 年徒刑。
And it just bothers me.
这让我很烦恼。
And it will probably bother me 'til I die to know that one innocent man is in prison.
当我知道有一个无辜的人被关进监狱时，我可能会一直困扰到我死去。
And it was like, "Damn.
就像是，“该死。
How could this happen?"
怎么会发生这种事？”
And I almost wish I hadn't said anything.
我几乎希望我什么也没说。
But then, it would've been remiss of me to know the truth and not tell it.
但如果我知道真相而不说出来那就是我的失职了。
I did the right thing, but he still got hurt.
我做了正确的事，但他还是受伤了。
Monica Childs.
莫妮卡·蔡尔兹。
She spoke with reporter John Bowe, who interviewed her for a book called Gig about people in all sorts of jobs.
她与记者约翰·鲍进行了交谈，约翰·鲍为一本名为《Gig》的书采访了她，该书讲述了从事各种工作的人。
[MUSIC PLAYING - "RUN ON" BY ELVIS PRESLEY]
[音乐播放 - 埃尔维斯·普雷斯利的《RUN ON》]
Act Two-- Money Versus Man.
第二幕——金钱与人。
Let's move now from big-city Detroit to small-town Texas for a story where the bad guys aren't murderers.
现在让我们从大城市底特律转移到德克萨斯州小镇，讲述一个坏人不是杀人犯的故事。
They're real estate developers, and maybe not so bad.
他们是房地产开发商，也许还不错。
They are just doing what God intended for real estate developers to do, which is, of course, come into town, throw around a lot of money, get people all excited.
他们只是在做上帝希望房地产开发商做的事情，当然，就是进城，扔很多钱，让人们兴奋不已。
In this case, it caused a series of events which cascaded out of control, one after another, until by the end, even the people involved all seemed sort of amazed at how far it went.
这样一来，就引发了一系列的事件，一连串的失控，直到最后，连涉及到的人都显得有些惊讶。
And in the midst of this, it was yet another person, a government official, trying to do the right thing as he saw it, no matter what.
而在这之中，还有另一个人，一名政府官员，无论如何都试图做他认为正确的事情。
Alix Spiegel tells the story.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔讲述了这个故事。
When Scott Bradley moved to Westlake, there were fewer than 10 roads, and several of those were unpaved.
当斯科特·布拉德利 (Scott Bradley) 搬到西湖时，这里只有不到 10 条道路，其中几条还没有铺砌。
This was the '70s.
那是 70 年代。
And at the time, this level of development wasn't unusual for the area.
当时，这种发展水平对于该地区来说并不罕见。
It was country, low hills and long grass and not much else, which is why Scott Bradley moved to Westlake.
这里是乡村、低矮的山丘和长长的草地，除此之外别无其他，这就是斯科特·布拉德利搬到西湖的原因。
Which is why most people moved to Westlake, they wanted a rural life in a rural place a short commute from the city.
这就是为什么大多数人搬到西湖的原因，他们想要在距离城市很短的通勤路程的乡村地区过乡村生活。
Fort Worth, Texas, was only 30 minutes away.
距德克萨斯州沃思堡仅 30 分钟路程。
But then the city grew.
但后来城市发展了。
By the mid-'80s, suburban sprawl had overtaken most of Westlake's neighbors.
到了 80 年代中期，郊区的扩张已经覆盖了西湖的大部分邻居。
There were 7-11s, Home Depots, miles of subdivisions, and all the other clutter you find in any town in any place in America, but not in Westlake.
7-11 便利店、家得宝 (Home Depot)、绵延数英里的小区以及所有其他杂乱的东西，在美国的任何城镇、任何地方都可以找到，但西湖却没有。
The people in Westlake wanted something different.
西湖的人们想要一些不同的东西。
By 1994, when Scott Bradley became mayor, there was still no real commercial development in town.
到 1994 年，斯科特·布拉德利 (Scott Bradley) 就任市长时，镇上仍然没有真正的商业开发。
The town government wouldn't permit it.
镇政府不允许。
They knew they couldn't stave off suburban sprawl forever.
他们知道他们无法永远避免郊区蔓延。
But everyone, the townspeople, the town council, and especially Mayor Bradley agreed, the at least wanted to try.
但每个人，镇民，市议会，尤其是布拉德利市长都同意，至少想尝试一下。
This story begins in 1993, when one of the properties in Westlake, a 2,500-acre ranch called the Circle T, appears on the auction block.
这个故事要从 1993 年开始，当时西湖的一处房产——一座占地 2,500 英亩的牧场，名为 Circle T——出现在拍卖会上。
This property, which, by the way, was the single largest piece of land in town, and probably the most beautiful undeveloped stretch of real estate within a half-hour commute of the Fort Worth metroplex, then attracts the attention of Ross Perot Jr., son of the former presidential candidate, a high-powered real estate developer, who is quoted in the papers saying that for him, business was about more than win or lose.
顺便说一句，这处房产是镇上最大的一块土地，也可能是沃斯堡大都市半小时通勤范围内最美丽的未开发房地产，吸引了前总统候选人小罗斯·佩罗(Ross Perot Jr.)的注意，他是一位有权势的房地产开发商，报纸援引他的话说，对他来说，生意不仅仅是输赢。
It was about win or die.
这是关于胜利或死亡的事情。
So Ross Jr. buys the Circle T ranch.
于是，小罗斯 (Ross Jr.) 购买了 Circle T 牧场。
And then a couple years later, after a lot of thought and planning, and minimal contact with Westlake's town government, he and his company, the Hillwood corporation, finally present their plans for the development of the Circle T to the citizens of Westlake, all 250 of them.
几年后，经过大量的思考和规划，并与西湖镇政府进行了极少的接触，他和他的公司 Hillwood 公司最终向西湖的 250 名市民展示了他们的 Circle T 开发计划。
David Brown is a Westlake resident who attended the meeting.
出席会议的西湖居民大卫·布朗(David Brown)。
Hillwood Development, which is Mr. Perot's company, had a meeting over here in Solana, at a big meeting hall.
佩罗先生的公司 Hillwood Development 在索拉纳的一个大会议厅举行了会议。
And they had pictures, drawings, of a beautiful little town that they were going to build.
他们有他们要建造的一个美丽小镇的照片、图纸。
It showed little two-story buildings in the downtown area, and it showed a very pleasant and not too crowded place.
它展示了市中心地区的两层小建筑，展示了一个非常宜人且不太拥挤的地方。
And we were all delighted by what we saw in the drawings.
我们都对图纸中所看到的感到高兴。
But when you read the accompanying 300-page document, you found that it looked like there was going to be 50,000 people crammed in here.
但当你读完随附的300页文件时，你发现这里似乎挤满了5万人。
The accompanying 300-page document, written in convoluted legal speak, basically gave Perot and his company, the Hillwood corporation, infinite flexibility to do with the town of Westlake as they pleased.
随附的 300 页文件以复杂的法律语言编写，基本上为佩罗和他的公司（希尔伍德公司）提供了无限的灵活性，可以随心所欲地处理西湖镇。
The fine print included plans for a regional shopping mall, upscale home apartments, an office park, a golf course, zoning for a sports arena, and more-- $3 billion worth of commercial and residential development with enough room for an additional 50,000 to 80,000 people.
细则包括区域购物中心、高档住宅公寓、办公园区、高尔夫球场、体育场馆分区等计划——价值 30 亿美元的商业和住宅开发项目，有足够的空间容纳额外的 50,000 至 80,000 人。
Now keep, in mind that this is the kind of community where a visiting reporter, me, for instance, could sit through a city council meeting where a full 40 minutes of heated debate centered on the question of whether the new town sidewalks should be raised half an inch or feathered to the ground so as not to disturb the natural line of the landscape.
现在请记住，在这个社区，一个来访的记者（例如我）可以坐在市议会会议上，在会上进行了整整 40 分钟的激烈辩论，讨论的问题是新城的人行道是否应该抬高半英寸，还是应该平铺到地面，以免扰乱景观的自然线条。
So predictably, once the residents of Westlake learned the details, they were profoundly disturbed and alarmed.
果然，西湖居民得知详情后，都深感不安和惊恐。
The meeting room was hot, some say close to 100 degrees.
会议室很热，有人说接近100度。
But every townsperson stayed to the bitter end.
但每个镇民都坚持到了最后。
And according to Don Redding, another Westlake resident who attended the presentation, they were all mad as hell about what Perot and the Hillwood Corporation wanted to do.
另一位出席演示会的西湖居民唐·雷丁 (Don Redding) 表示，他们都对佩罗和希尔伍德公司想要做的事情感到非常愤怒。
In essence, we would have turned over the community to the developer.
本质上，我们会将社区移交给开发人员。
In other words, that was the tone of it, is, "All right.
换句话说，这就是它的语气，“好吧。
I'll take it from here.
我会从这里拿走它。
You people have been in charge, or run the town, up to this point.
到目前为止，你们一直在负责或管理这个城镇。
But from now on, we'll take care of it.
但从现在开始，我们会处理好它。
We'll make your decisions for you." And that was the whole tone of it.
我们将为您做出决定。”这就是整个基调。
And people didn't like that.
人们不喜欢这样。
Don Redding No, they didn't care for that too much.
唐·雷丁：不，他们不太关心这个。
Now at the time Ross Jr. brought his plans for development of the Circle T to the citizens of Westlake, the town was run by six men-- the mayor, Scott Bradley, and five aldermen.
当小罗斯向西湖市民提出其 T 圈开发计划时，该镇由六名男子管理——市长斯科特·布拉德利 (Scott Bradley) 和五名市议员。
Mayor Bradley was a soft-spoken but very successful lawyer with a reputation for staking out the ethical high ground.
布拉德利市长是一位说话温和但非常成功的律师，以占据道德制高点而闻名。
Meticulous, detail-oriented, Scott liked to stand at city council meetings.
斯科特一丝不苟、注重细节，喜欢出席市议会会议。
Three different people told me that, that Scott Bradley liked to stand at city council meetings.
三个不同的人告诉我，斯科特·布拉德利喜欢站在市议会会议上。
I think the reason they mention it is because the formality of that act, standing up, stood in such sharp contrast to the rest of the city government.
我认为他们之所以提到这一点，是因为该法案的正式性，与市政府的其他部门形成了鲜明的对比。
The other people on the city council, the aldermen, were not formal people.
市议会的其他成员，市议员，都不是正式人士。
Al Oien was a retired airplane pilot who wore his overalls to meetings.
艾尔·奥伊恩 (Al Oien) 是一名退休飞行员，他穿着工装裤参加会议。
Fred Held was a third-generation hardware man.
Fred Held 是第三代硬件人。
There was Caroll Huntress, a former assistant football coach who later got into oil exploration, and Howard Dudley, who was in the chemical business, and Jerry Moore, who owned a tile and carpet company.
其中包括卡罗尔·亨特雷斯（Caroll Huntress），前橄榄球助理教练，后来进入石油勘探行业；霍华德·达德利（Howard Dudley），从事化工行业；杰里·摩尔（Jerry Moore）拥有一家瓷砖和地毯公司。
I should mention here that being an alderman in Westlake, Texas, was not what you would call a full-time job.
我应该在这里提一下，德克萨斯州西湖市的市议员并不是所谓的全职工作。
For years, the city council meetings were held in the aldermen's living rooms.
多年来，市议会会议都是在市议员的客厅里举行。
Even when the city government moved into an official town hall in the early '90s, the meetings retained their living room feeling.
即使市政府在 20 世纪 90 年代初搬进了官方市政厅，会议仍然保留着客厅的感觉。
It was comfortable.
很舒服。
It was casual.
这是很随意的。
There was not, in truth, all that much to discuss.
事实上，没有那么多可讨论的。
Now in light of later events, it's important to be clear on one point.
现在考虑到后来发生的事情，澄清一点很重要。
At the time of the Perot presentation, all five of Westlake's aldermen were opposed to the Perot development plan.
在佩罗发表演讲时，西湖市的所有五名市议员都反对佩罗的开发计划。
Then something happened, and this consensus came to an end.
后来发生了一些事情，这个共识就结束了。
Ross Jr. made another land purchase in the town of Westlake, 500 acres of Texas prairie on which one of the aldermen, a man named Carroll Huntress, rented a home.
小罗斯在德克萨斯州西湖镇购买了另一块土地，占地 500 英亩，一位名叫卡罗尔·亨特雷斯 (Carroll Huntress) 的市议员在上面租了一套房子。
It was after this land purchase that suddenly and inexplicably, four of the five aldermen, Al Oien, Jerry Moore, Howard Dudley, and Perot's new tenant, Carroll Huntress, started questioning the town's traditional anti-growth stance.
正是在这次土地购买之后，五位市议员中的四位——艾尔·奥恩（Al Oien）、杰里·摩尔（Jerry Moore）、霍华德·达德利（Howard Dudley）和佩罗的新房客卡罗尔·亨特雷斯（Carroll Huntress）——突然而莫名其妙地开始质疑该镇传统的反增长立场。
There were a series of uncomfortable town meetings where the four aldermen publicly challenged the mayor, and some statements were made to the local press.
镇上举行了一系列令人不安的会议，四位市议员公开挑战市长，并向当地媒体发表了一些声明。
Miles Moffeit is a reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram who covered what became the Westlake story.
迈尔斯·莫菲特 (Miles Moffeit) 是《沃斯堡星报》的记者，报道了西湖事件。
Perot purchased the land Huntress lived on.
佩罗购买了女猎人居住的土地。
And almost within weeks, Huntress and these other aldermen were releasing signals that they were tired of the fighting, that it was time for the town to come around to Perot's views.
几乎在几周之内，亨特雷斯和其他市议员就发出了信号，表明他们厌倦了战斗，是时候让镇上的人接受佩罗的观点了。
I got an interview with him, and he began explaining that Perot basically can't lose.
我接受了他的采访，他开始解释说佩罗基本上不会输。
And Perot is going to have this way eventually anyway, so the town should come around and just start appeasing him.
无论如何，佩罗最终都会这么做，所以镇上的人应该回心转意，开始安抚他。
This turn was hard to explain.
这个转变很难解释。
These men, after all, had helped to build the town.
毕竟，这些人帮助建造了这座城镇。
For years, they turned away developers with plans much more modest than Perot's.
多年来，他们拒绝了那些计划比佩罗温和得多的开发商。
Why would they reverse their decades-long anti-growth stance in a matter of weeks?
为什么他们会在短短几周内就扭转数十年来的反增长立场？
Rumors circulated around town, theories about payoffs, none of which could be substantiated, none of which satisfied.
城里流传着各种谣言，各种关于回报的理论，但没有一个能够得到证实，也没有一个令人满意。
Meanwhile, Mayor Bradley refused to support the Perot plan, and relations between the four aldermen and the mayor became strained, and then positively hostile.
与此同时，布拉德利市长拒绝支持佩罗计划，四位市议员和市长之间的关系变得紧张，然后变成了敌对。
There was a fight over where the town boundaries fell, in which each side accused the other of manipulation and deception.
围绕城镇边界的归属发生了一场争斗，双方都指责对方操纵和欺骗。
There was an ugly incident between one of the aldermen's wives and some townspeople, and the general sense that things were quickly falling apart.
一位市议员的妻子和一些镇民之间发生了一场丑陋的事件，人们普遍感觉事情很快就会分崩离析。
David Brown.
大卫·布朗.
There was a great deal of acrimony between the citizens and the council, and between Bradley and the council.
公民和议会之间以及布拉德利和议会之间存在着大量的争执。
And the citizens, it was even harsher than Bradley.
而对于公民来说，这甚至比布拉德利还要严厉。
People were calling these guys all kinds of names.
人们用各种各样的名字称呼这些人。
Who do you work for?
你为谁工作？
Who's paying your salary?
谁支付你的工资？
Who have you sold out to?
你卖给谁了？
This sort of thing.
这种事。
And it was pretty hot.
而且天气非常热。
Reporter Miles Moffeit.
记者迈尔斯·莫菲特。
Miles Moffeitt From that point on, it was just pure bedlam.
迈尔斯·莫菲特 从那时起，一切就变得一片混乱。
These guys were calling their own meetings.
这些人正在召开自己的会议。
Scott was vetoing every action that they took.
斯科特否决了他们采取的每一项行动。
It went back and forth and back and forth for weeks, until these former aldermen decided to just put him on trial and remove him from office.
事情来来回回持续了好几个星期，直到这些前市议员决定对他进行审判并将他免职。
They announced they were going to impeach Mr. Bradley.
他们宣布将弹劾布拉德利先生。
And I, for one, thought it was a bluff.
就我而言，我认为这是一种虚张声势。
The legal basis for it was a law passed back in the 1870s that had only been used once or twice, and never since the early 1900s.
它的法律依据是 1870 年代通过的一项法律，该法律只使用过一两次，自 1900 年代初以来从未使用过。
And I thought, "They'll be laughed out of court."
我想，“他们会在法庭外被嘲笑的。”
Yeah, it was like a 100-year-old statute.
是的，这就像一个有 100 年历史的法规。
And it says that a small town board of aldermen can convene a trial, act as judge, jury, and witness, and remove a colleague from office, be it a mayor or a fellow alderman.
它还说，一个小镇的市议员委员会可以召集审判，充当法官、陪审团和证人，并罢免同事，无论是市长还是市议员同事。
There were four counts brought against the mayor, two of them so inconsequential that neither the accused mayor nor the prosecuting aldermen can remember what they were.
针对市长提出了四项罪名，其中两项罪名无关紧要，以至于被指控的市长和起诉的市议员都不记得它们是什么。
One count charged the mayor with removing a meeting notice which had been posted on the town hall door.
一项罪名指控市长移除张贴在市政厅门上的会议通知。
The only substantive charge accused him of tricking the aldermen into endorsing a map which expanded the town's boundaries.
唯一的实质性指控指控他欺骗市议员批准一张扩大城镇边界的地图。
But most Westlake residents believed that the aldermen wanted to impeach Mayor Bradley for a different reason.
但大多数西湖居民认为市议员弹劾布拉德利市长的原因有所不同。
The mayor was the most outspoken and intractable opponent of the Perot plan.
市长是佩罗计划最直言不讳、最顽固的反对者。
As mayor, with veto power, it would be impossible for Perot and his company, the Hillwood Corporation, to proceed with development with Bradley standing in the way.
作为拥有否决权的市长，佩罗和他的公司希尔伍德公司不可能在布拉德利的阻碍下继续进行开发。
When the issue was raised in the local press, Perot denied influencing the aldermen in any way.
当当地媒体提出这个问题时，佩罗否认以任何方式影响市议员。
But a series of actions taken by the aldermen only compounded this view.
但市议员采取的一系列行动只会加剧这种观点。
David Brown.
大卫·布朗.
The next thing they did, they fired the city attorney, who'd been city attorney for 20 or 25 years.
接下来，他们解雇了担任市检察官 20 或 25 年的市检察官。
They fired the town planner.
他们解雇了城市规划师。
And they said, "We've made a deal with Hillwood that we're going to use their lawyer and their town planner." Well, you know.
他们说，“我们已经与希尔伍德达成协议，我们将使用他们的律师和城市规划师。”嗯，你知道。
And, "The town will get their services for free, and Hillwood will pay for it all." And the new law firm came in, the new lawyer from a law firm up in Denton came in.
而且，“该镇将免费获得他们的服务，而希尔伍德将支付全部费用。”新的律师事务所进来了，来自丹顿一家律师事务所的新律师进来了。
And he immediately began to orchestrate Bradley's trial.
他立即开始策划对布拉德利的审判。
David Brown presented the aldermen with a petition signed by 125 Westlake residents, half the town's population, which condemned their move to oust Mayor Bradley.
大卫·布朗 (David Brown) 向市议员提交了一份由 125 名西湖居民（占该镇人口的一半）签署的请愿书，谴责他们罢黜布拉德利市长的举动。
As the aldermen's lawyers prepared to put the mayor on trial, Scott Bradley and his supporters began to meet regularly to strategize about how to counteract the actions of the aldermen.
当市议员的律师准备对市长进行审判时，斯科特·布拉德利和他的支持者开始定期开会，制定如何反击市议员行为的策略。
They would gather in their own homes, in their living rooms or private offices.
他们会聚集在自己的家里、客厅或私人办公室。
And as they did this, they started noticing a strange thing was happening.
当他们这样做时，他们开始注意到发生了一件奇怪的事情。
This is Don Redding.
这是唐·雷丁。
All I can tell you is in meetings that were held where there might be three or four or five people in attendance, that I was quoted from that meeting the next day from somebody that had no way of knowing what went on, in the exact words and in the exact sequence that were made in that meeting.
我所能告诉你的是，在可能有三人、四人或五人参加的会议上，有人在第二天的会议上引用了我的话，而这些人根本不知道会议上发生了什么，以及会议中的确切用词和顺序。
Ruby Held, wife of Alderman Fred Held, the only alderman who continued to support Mayor Bradley.
鲁比·赫尔德 (Ruby Held)，市议员弗雷德·赫尔德 (Fred Held) 的妻子，弗雷德·赫尔德 (Fred Held) 是唯一继续支持布拉德利市长的市议员。
Whatever we planned, they beat us to whatever we planned.
无论我们计划什么，他们都会击败我们。
So we know we were being watched.
所以我们知道我们正在被监视。
We were being listened to.
我们正在被倾听。
Somehow, they were monitoring our phone calls.
不知何故，他们正在监听我们的电话。
This is Mayor Scott Bradley.
我是斯科特·布拉德利市长。
Scott Bradley Well, we all started, number one, nobody would talk on a hard telephone.
斯科特·布拉德利（Scott Bradley）好吧，我们都开始了，第一，没有人会用硬电话说话。
We would go to other telephones to talk.
我们会去其他电话交谈。
Or we would talk on the digital cell phones.
或者我们会用数字手机交谈。
I myself would take my digital phone out by the fountain.
我自己会在喷泉边拿出我的数字电话。
Reporter Miles Moffeit.
记者迈尔斯·莫菲特。
Miles Moffeitt They held secret meetings out in the woods.
迈尔斯·莫菲特 他们在树林里举行秘密会议。
And they would pass around notes.
他们会传递纸条。
And they couldn't carry on a conversation with the blinds open.
而且他们无法在百叶窗打开的情况下进行对话。
Don Redding.
唐·雷丁.
David Brown We'd even drive as far as a quarter of a mile away from my home and meet with them on the side of a road.
大卫·布朗：我们甚至会开车离开我家四分之一英里，在路边与他们会面。
Did that on several occasions.
曾多次这样做过。
And this is really interesting when you understand that in the early '70s, I worked in the Soviet Union for IBM.
当你了解 70 年代初我在苏联的 IBM 工作时，这真的很有趣。
And that was one of the most closed societies in the world.
那是世界上最封闭的社会之一。
The KGB was with us always.
克格勃一直与我们同在。
And I frankly felt more threatened here than I did when I worked in the Soviet Union.
坦率地说，我在这里感受到的威胁比我在苏联工作时感受到的威胁更大。
You felt more threatened here than you did-- you felt like you were being watched more?
你在这里感受到的威胁比你自己更大——你觉得你受到了更多的监视？
Absolutely, no question about it in my mind.
绝对的，我心里毫无疑问。
You can call that as paranoid, but it's only paranoid when it's not happening.
你可以称其为偏执，但只有当事情没有发生时才是偏执。
And in this case, I was convinced it was.
在这种情况下，我确信确实如此。
Ruby Held was out in her yard one day.
有一天，鲁比·霍尔德在她的院子里。
She was birdwatching, she says, to calm her nerves.
她说，她观鸟是为了平静自己的紧张情绪。
She was tracking a bird with her binoculars.
她正在用双筒望远镜追踪一只鸟。
It flew across the street.
它飞过街道。
And as she turned to follow it, she noticed there was a van driving slowly back and forth in front of her home.
当她转身追去时，发现一辆面包车在她家门前缓慢地来回行驶。
The van had two people in it, and they too had binoculars.
面包车里有两个人，他们也带着双筒望远镜。
They were looking right back at her.
他们正回头看着她。
Miles Moffeit.
迈尔斯·莫菲特。
Well, she got the tag number.
好吧，她得到了标签号码。
And we ran a check and discovered that this van belonged to a private investigation service in Irving.
我们进行了检查，发现这辆货车属于欧文的一家私人调查机构。
And their names were Jerry and Cherry Davis.
他们的名字是杰里·戴维斯和切里·戴维斯。
I got on the phone with one of the detectives, and he acknowledged having worked for Perot's law firm at one point, then kept the conversation really short.
我与其中一位侦探通了电话，他承认曾在佩罗的律师事务所工作过，然后谈话非常简短。
So the depositions later on reflect that there were indeed investigators hired to track Bradley.
因此后来的证词反映出确实有调查人员被雇佣来追踪布拉德利。
But it's just real difficult to tell who hired them.
但很难说清楚是谁雇佣了他们。
Perot denies hiring private detectives to track his opponents in Westlake.
佩罗否认雇佣私家侦探追踪他在西湖的对手。
He and his development company, the Hillwood Corporation, declined to be interviewed for this story.
他和他的开发公司 Hillwood Corporation 拒绝就本文接受采访。
But Miles Moffeit, who has covered Perot Jr.'s business dealings, both inside and outside Westlake for a number of years, says the notion that Perot would have his opponent tailed is not completely outlandish.
但多年来一直报道小佩罗在西湖内外的商业交易的迈尔斯·莫菲特表示，佩罗会跟踪他的对手的想法并不完全奇怪。
Perot's-- the way he goes about his business is generally very stealthy.
佩罗的行事方式通常非常隐秘。
And he acknowledges that, to him, business is war.
他承认，对他来说，商业就是战争。
And in order to understand this perspective, you have to understand that stealth and aggressiveness are just two very important factors in going to war.
为了理解这个观点，你必须明白，隐秘性和侵略性只是战争中两个非常重要的因素。
A town of 250 people just had a very difficult time keeping up.
一个拥有 250 人的小镇很难跟上。
Then there was another thing which fanned the flames of the town's fear of Ross Perot Jr.-- a book called Citizen Perot written by journalist Gerald Posner.
然后还有一件事加剧了小镇对小罗斯·佩罗的恐惧——记者杰拉尔德·波斯纳写的一本名为《公民佩罗》的书。
Now, this book is not about Ross Perot Jr. It's about his father, the former presidential candidate.
现在，这本书不是关于小罗斯·佩罗的，而是关于他的父亲，前总统候选人。
It's an unauthorized biography which includes a chapter called "I'm not an investigative personality," about Ross Sr.'s now-famous obsession with security, and his use of private investigators and security teams in his business dealings.
这是一本未经授权的传记，其中有一章名为“我不是一个调查人物”，讲述了老罗斯现在众所周知的对安全的痴迷，以及他在商业交易中使用私家侦探和安全团队的情况。
Ruby Held.
鲁比举行。
There was some chapters I went for three weeks.
有些章节我看了三个星期。
I couldn't even read between-- I couldn't pick it up again.
我什至无法阅读——我无法再次拿起它。
I thought, "I can't believe what this man has done." And because, I think, I had read that book, it gave us-- something would come up in city council.
我想：“我简直不敢相信这个人做了什么。”我想，因为我读过那本书，它告诉我们——市议会会提出一些建议。
Or they'd come in, and everything they did was, I'd say, "That's chapter six," or "This is chapter two."
或者他们进来了，我会说，他们所做的一切都是“这是第六章”或“这是第二章”。
Every single home I visited in Westlake had a copy of Citizen Perot, well-worn, full of underlining and scribbled notes in the margins, whole passages outlined in yellow highlight.
我在西湖拜访过的每一户人家都有一本《公民佩罗》，破旧不堪，页边空白处充满了下划线和潦草的注释，整个段落都用黄色突出显示。
The more they read, the more worried and hysterical they became.
他们读得越多，就越担心、越歇斯底里。
It is in this climate of paranoia that the aldermen put Mayor Scott Bradley on trial.
正是在这种偏执的气氛下，市议员对市长斯科特·布拉德利进行了审判。
It was held on a Tuesday in the cafeteria of the Solana office complex, which housed the town hall.
会议于周二在市政厅所在的索拉纳办公大楼的自助餐厅举行。
The mayor's supporters plastered the walls with posters of the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.
市长的支持者在墙上贴满了《独立宣言》和美国宪法的海报。
David Brown.
大卫·布朗.
I guess the whole town was there, plus maybe 200 or 300 other people.
我猜整个城镇的人都在那里，也许还有 200 或 300 人。
It was a big crowd that came out, even though it was 10 o'clock on a weekday.
尽管是工作日十点钟，还是有一大群人涌出来。
And Mr. Huntress was chairman of the court.
亨特雷斯先生担任法院院长。
The town council, the aldermen, sat as the court, all five of them, even though they had brought the charges.
市议会、市议员作为法庭，他们五人组成，尽管他们提出了指控。
And even though one or two of them testified against Bradley at the trial, they were still allowed to vote as judges.
即使其中一两个人在审判中作证反对布拉德利，他们仍然被允许作为法官投票。
Miles Moffeit.
迈尔斯·莫菲特。
Miles Moffeitt The aldermen had set themselves up along this long table.
迈尔斯·莫菲特 市议员们已经在这张长桌旁坐下了。
And in the middle was an attorney named Bill Wood, who had done some work for Perot.
中间是一位名叫比尔·伍德的律师，他曾为佩罗做过一些工作。
Don Redding.
唐·雷丁.
Don Redding And it was kind of curious because when something would be posed that Huntress didn't know how to handle, which was most of it, he would look to this attorney.
唐·雷丁：这有点奇怪，因为当出现亨特雷斯不知道如何处理的事情时（大部分是这样的），他会向这位律师寻求帮助。
And the attorney would try to advise him.
律师会尽力为他提供建议。
It was such a ludicrous thing.
这真是一件可笑的事情。
And it was such a staged thing that there was no question about what was going to happen.
这是一场舞台表演，毫无疑问将会发生什么。
Ruby Held.
鲁比举行。
Ruby Held I'm sitting there thinking, "I must be in Russia." I cannot believe they're sitting up and testifying against him and judging him and being the jury, all in one fell swoop.
Ruby Held 我坐在那里想，“我一定是在俄罗斯。”我不敢相信他们会站起来作证反对他、评判他并成为陪审团，这一切都是一举完成的。
I thought, "This must be the way they railroad somebody in Russia and put them in prison, because this is the biggest trumped-up farce I've ever seen in my whole life." My whole insides felt like they were boiling.
我想，“这一定是他们在俄罗斯绑架某人并将他们关进监狱的方式，因为这是我一生中见过的最大的捏造的闹剧。”我的整个五脏六腑都在沸腾。
After a 15-minute break for deliberation, the board, in a four to one vote, with Fred Held dissenting, found Scott Bradley guilty as charged and dismissed him as mayor of the city of Westlake.
经过 15 分钟的休息审议后，董事会以 4 比 1 的投票结果（弗雷德·赫尔德持反对意见）裁定斯科特·布拉德利有罪，并解除了他的西湖市市长职务。
The crowd booed.
人群发出嘘声。
Scott Bradley.
斯科特·布拉德利。
When the verdict was read, my lawyer stood up and said, "Is that your verdict?" And they said, "Yes, it is." And he said, "When are you going to put it into effect?" And they said, "Right now." And my lawyer says, "Right now?" And Carroll Huntress said, "Right now," and proceeded to sign the papers that Bill Wood furnished him.
当宣读判决书时，我的律师站起来说：“这是你的判决书吗？”他们说：“是的，是的。”他说：“你们打算什么时候实施？”他们说：“现在。”我的律师说：“现在？”卡罗尔·亨特雷斯说：“现在，”然后就签署了比尔·伍德提供给他的文件。
And I can't remember exactly how it happened.
我记不清到底是怎么发生的了。
But there was a defining moment, where it was just a spontaneous applause, essentially aimed at my lawyer and me for having gone through this terrible situation.
但有一个决定性的时刻，这只是自发的掌声，主要是针对我和我的律师经历了这种可怕的情况。
And I was so moved that I stood up, and I applauded the audience for having gone through this whole thing.
我非常感动，站了起来，我为经历了这一切的观众鼓掌。
Immediately after the trial, Bradley got in the car and drove to the district courthouse to file an appeal.
审判结束后，布拉德利立即上车前往地区法院提出上诉。
But en route, he got a call on his cell phone.
但在途中，他的手机接到了一个电话。
It was from one of the townspeople, a woman staked out at the town hall who told Bradley that the aldermen had posted another notice which announced yet another meeting.
这是一位镇民发来的，她是一位在市政厅监视的女士，她告诉布拉德利市议员已经张贴了另一张通知，宣布将举行另一次会议。
Scott Bradley.
斯科特·布拉德利。
She had copied enough of it that she was able to read it to us.
她抄了足够多的内容，可以读给我们听。
And it became very apparent then what was happening.
然后发生的事情就变得非常明显了。
They were going to blow the town up.
他们要炸毁这座城镇。
The aldermen's notice, posted three hours after the impeachment of Mayor Scott Bradley, proposed the disannexation of 90% of the town of Westlake.
弹劾市长斯科特·布拉德利 (Scott Bradley) 三小时后，市议员们发布了通知，提议撤销西湖镇 90% 的土地。
90% of the city's property would be transferred to neighboring communities, and the town would essentially be disbanded, simply given away.
城市90%的财产将被转移到邻近的社区，而这个城镇实际上将被解散，简单地赠送出去。
Included in the disannexation ordinance were all lands belonging to Ross Perot Jr., and the three properties owned by the aldermen.
剥离法令中包括属于小罗斯·佩罗的所有土地以及市议员拥有的三处房产。
Reporter Miles Moffeit.
记者迈尔斯·莫菲特。
Everybody was like, "OK, they're just going to blow up the town." On paper, it would look as though the town was blown up.
每个人都说，“好吧，他们只会炸掉这座城镇。”从纸面上看，这座城镇似乎被炸毁了。
There's just pieces, far-flung pieces attached by very thin strips of land.
那里只有碎片，遥远的碎片，由非常薄的土地相连。
Word of the posting spread quickly.
帖子的消息很快传开。
And within half an hour, a small army of citizens had gathered at the town hall, most too stunned to observe what was happening.
半小时内，一小群公民聚集在市政厅，大多数人都惊呆了，无法观察发生的事情。
The properties belonging to the aldermen and Perot were eventually released to the city of Fort Worth, in exchange for a promise that they would pay no property taxes for a minimum of 15 years.
市议员和佩罗的财产最终被释放给沃斯堡市，以换取他们至少 15 年内不缴纳财产税的承诺。
Here's David Brown, Don Redding, and Scott Bradley.
请听大卫·布朗、唐·雷丁和斯科特·布拉德利的报道。
I was incredulous.
我简直不敢相信。
I said, "They can't be doing-- this is not sane."
我说：“他们不可能这么做——这是不理智的。”
You had no idea that anybody would have been considered something like this.
你不知道任何人都会被认为是这样的。
It's like, this is unbelievable.
这就像，这令人难以置信。
Really, you're just astounded.
真的，你只是感到惊讶。
I really couldn't make any sense of it.
我真的无法理解它的任何意义。
I wasn't there, but it had to be very much akin to the feeling of people observing the Oklahoma City bombing.
我当时并不在场，但这一定与人们观看俄克拉荷马城爆炸事件的感受非常相似。
It was a senseless act.
这是一种毫无意义的行为。
It brought only harm and devastation.
它带来的只是伤害和破坏。
And this is the same feeling I had, that it just seemed to be the work of madmen.
我也有同样的感觉，这似乎只是疯子的杰作。
Coming up, are madmen actually smarter than the rest of us?
接下来，疯子真的比我们其他人聪明吗？
Are people with money?
人有钱吗？
Or do they just plan things out better?
或者他们只是把事情计划得更好？
Alix Spiegel's story from Westlake, Texas, continues in a minute from Public Radio International, when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续时，国际公共广播电台将继续讲述来自德克萨斯州西湖的阿利克斯·斯皮格尔的故事。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose some theme, bring you various stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种故事。
Today's program, for the July 4 holiday, stories of idealists in American government two centuries after the first independence day, and answers to this question.
今天的节目，在 7 月 4 日假期，讲述了第一个独立日两个世纪后美国政府中理想主义者的故事，并回答了这个问题。
Can you fight city hall if you are city hall?
如果你是市政厅，你能和市政厅战斗吗？
We're in the middle of Alix Spiegel's story from Westlake, Texas.
我们正在了解来自德克萨斯州西湖的阿利克斯·斯皮格尔 (Alix Spiegel) 的故事。
The mayor has been thrown out of office.
市长已被赶下台。
A notice is posted calling for a meeting in which the town would give away most of its land to other towns.
张贴的通知要求召开一次会议，该镇将把大部分土地赠送给其他城镇。
At this point, Mayor Scott Bradley went to district court to have them issue an order so his impeachment would not take effect right away.
此时，市长斯科特·布拉德利 (Scott Bradley) 前往地区法院，要求他们发布命令，以免弹劾立即生效。
At the district court, the judge suspended a murder trial for an entire day to issue a ruling favorable to Mayor Bradley, a temporary restraining order which prevented the aldermen from enforcing Bradley's impeachment.
在地区法院，法官将谋杀案审判暂停一整天，以发布有利于布拉德利市长的裁决，这是一项临时限制令，阻止市议员执行对布拉德利的弹劾。
The aldermen's lawyers were also present, and they indicated to the district judge that they wanted to appeal his decision to the Fort Worth Court of Appeals in the morning.
市议员的律师也在场，他们向地区法官表示，他们想在早上就他的决定向沃斯堡上诉法院提出上诉。
Mayor Scott Bradley.
市长斯科特·布拉德利。
The judge says, "Fine.
法官说：“好吧。
I'll order my clerks to stay here, prepare the record.
我会命令我的职员留在这里，准备记录。
You can come by at," I think he said, "a quarter of eight and pick it up." So as far as we knew, we were going to the court of appeals the next morning.
你可以在八点一刻过来取货。”我想他是这么说的。据我们所知，我们将于第二天早上前往上诉法院。
That night, Carroll Huntress and these lawyers get into a car.
那天晚上，卡罗尔·亨特雷斯和这些律师上了车。
They drive to one of the justices' homes.
他们开车前往一位法官的家。
They sit in his living room while he talks to two other justices, and comes out and announces that he's going to stay the orders of the district court.
当他与另外两名法官交谈时，他们坐在他的客厅里，然后出来宣布他将保留地方法院的命令。
And so in a late-night hearing in a judge's living room, the impeachment of Scott Bradley was reinstated.
因此，在法官客厅举行的深夜听证会上，对斯科特·布拉德利的弹劾被恢复。
David Brown.
大卫·布朗.
It happened very quickly.
事情发生得很快。
The district court order came out about 5 o'clock.
地区法院的命令于下午 5 点左右发出。
And by 11 o'clock that night, it had been overturned by the court of appeals.
到当晚11点，上诉法院推翻了这一决定。
Again, this made us feel we are really up against it.
这再次让我们感到我们确实面临着挑战。
If people have that much clout, they can go to an appeals court in the middle of the night.
如果人们有那么大的影响力，他们可以在半夜去上诉法院。
If I were a private citizen, and I wanted to get a district court order overturned, I could not go knock on an appeals court judge's door at 9 o'clock at night and say, "Would you please overturn this decision?
如果我是一个普通公民，并且我想推翻地方法院的命令，我不能在晚上 9 点敲开上诉法院法官的门并说：“您能推翻这个决定吗？
I know you haven't had time to hear the opponent's side to it, but please overturn it anyway."
我知道你还没来得及听听对方的意见，但无论如何请推翻它。”
I couldn't do that.
我做不到。
I doubt anybody in the state could.
我怀疑该州的任何人都可以。
Or very few people, obviously somebody could, because they did.
或者很少有人，显然有人可以，因为他们做到了。
Scott Bradley appealed to the Texas Supreme Court, saying the court of appeals was wrong to make this decision in the middle of the night without hearing his side of the case.
斯科特·布拉德利向得克萨斯州最高法院提出上诉，称上诉法院在没有听取他的观点的情况下在半夜做出这一决定是错误的。
And as other lawsuits involving Westlake worked their way to the court of appeals, Mayor Bradley filed another motion.
随着涉及西湖的其他诉讼进入上诉法院，布拉德利市长提出了另一项动议。
This one said that the court of appeals judges shouldn't be hearing another case involving him, given how they'd handled the impeachment decision and given the fact that he was arguing to the supreme court that they had acted improperly.
这位人士表示，考虑到上诉法院法官处理弹劾决定的方式以及他向最高法院辩称他们行为不当的事实，上诉法院法官不应该审理另一起涉及他的案件。
This so infuriated the court that they again, without inviting me to be present or giving me any notice they were doing so, convened the entire Fort Worth Court of Appeals and issued a 21-page opinion in which they essentially call my lawyers liars and unfit for the practice of law for filing this motion, and referred them to the General Counsel of the State Bar of Texas to have their license removed.
这再次激怒了法院，以至于他们在没有邀请我出席或给我任何通知的情况下，召集了整个沃斯堡上诉法院，并发表了一份长达 21 页的意见，其中他们基本上称我的律师是骗子，不适合提出这项动议的法律实践，并将他们转交给德克萨斯州律师协会总法律顾问，以吊销他们的执照。
And it had personal repercussions for me, because immediately Cantey and Hanger, the law firm I was working for, call me in.
这对我个人产生了影响，因为我工作的律师事务所 Cantey 和 Hanger 立即叫我进去。
And they said, "We have this $204 million judgment that we're afraid that the same panel that you've said may be biased is going to decide our appeal unfavorably in retribution.
他们说，“我们有这个 2.04 亿美元的判决，我们担心你所说的可能有偏见的同一个小组会对我们的上诉作出不利的报复决定。
So we want you to resign from the law firm."
所以我们希望你从律师事务所辞职。”
And that's how Scott Bradley lost his job.
斯科特·布拉德利就是这样丢掉工作的。
Publicly, Perot continued to deny any involvement in the disintegration of Westlake and portrayed the affair as a local power struggle, a personality conflict between Scott Bradley and the Board of Aldermen.
在公开场合，佩罗继续否认与西湖的解体有任何关系，并将此事描述为当地的权力斗争、斯科特·布拉德利和市议员委员会之间的人格冲突。
Three days after the impeachment, on Friday, May 2, one evening before the town elections were scheduled, town elections which could change the balance of power on the board, the citizens of Westlake once again gathered in Town Hall, this time to witness the dismantling of their community.
弹劾案三天后，即5月2日星期五，也就是预定镇选举的前一天晚上，镇选举可能会改变董事会的权力平衡，西湖的公民再次聚集在市政厅，这一次见证了他们社区的解体。
With Bradley removed from office, there was no mayor to preside, so prior to the meeting, the aldermen appointed their own mayor, one of the oldest citizens in town.
布拉德利被免职后，没有市长来主持会议，因此在会议之前，市议员们任命了自己的市长，他是镇上最年长的公民之一。
Again, reporter Miles Moffeit.
记者迈尔斯·莫菲特再次报道。
His name was Dale White.
他的名字叫戴尔·怀特。
And he was almost like a hermit.
他几乎就像一个隐士。
You didn't see him around town.
你在城里没见过他。
But suddenly, here he was, the mayor of Westlake.
但突然间，他就来了，西湖市长。
Once again, the aldermen took their place at the table in front of the room.
市议员们再次在房间前面的桌子旁就座。
The meeting was, by all accounts, a very efficient, no-frills process.
从各方面来看，这次会议是一个非常高效、简洁的过程。
Most of the actual legal documentation for the disannexations were provided by a lawyer who was working with Perot and the Hillwood Corporation.
大部分剥离的实际法律文件是由与佩罗和希尔伍德公司合作的律师提供的。
The aldermen and the new mayor, Dale White, said very little.
市议员和新任市长戴尔·怀特 (Dale White) 几乎没有说什么。
Much of what they did say, they read from index cards, which had been prepared in advance.
他们所说的大部分内容都是从事先准备好的索引卡上读到的。
Don Redding.
唐·雷丁.
Through the whole thing, people are trying to object, trying to get them to listen to them.
在整个过程中，人们都在试图反对，试图让他们倾听他们的意见。
And it's like you might as well not have been in the room.
就好像你还不如不在房间里一样。
They won't look at you.
他们不会看你。
They won't look at you.
他们不会看你。
Scott Bradley.
斯科特·布拉德利。
Scott Bradley That was probably the lowest point, emotionally, in my life, sitting through that meeting, watching these aldermen.
斯科特·布拉德利（Scott Bradley）坐在那次会议上，看着这些市议员，这可能是我一生中情感上的最低点。
And they literally dismantled the town in about a two-and-a-half-hour period, using documents that Perot's lawyers had prepared.
他们利用佩罗律师准备的文件，在大约两个半小时内拆除了这座城镇。
When the last paper was signed, and the town of Westlake officially dismantled, the newly appointed mayor, Dale White, mayor of a town that now did not include the property where he himself lived, in other words, mayor of a town in which he did not hold residence, sat at the table in the front of the room and made the statement which would appear in every newspaper article which covered the story.
当最后一份文件签署，西湖镇正式解散时，新任命的镇长戴尔·怀特（Dale White）坐在房间前面的桌子旁，发表了一份声明，该声明将出现在每一篇报道该事件的报纸文章中。
Scott Bradley.
斯科特·布拉德利。
There were some maps displayed.
显示了一些地图。
And several citizens gathered around Dale, upset, and were asking him, "Was this tract in, or is this tract out?
几个市民聚集在戴尔周围，心烦意乱地问他：“这张单张是进来了还是出去了？
Is my property in or is it out?"
我的财产是在里面还是在外面？”
And somebody said, "What do you call this now?" And it seemed like, without thinking, he said, "Perot Town." It was in response to somebody's comment.
有人说：“你现在管这个叫什么？”他似乎不假思索地说了“佩罗镇”。这是对某人评论的回应。
And he said, "This is Perotville now."
他说：“现在这里是佩罗维尔。”
And people looked very shocked at him.
人们看着他感到非常震惊。
And he realized that he had made a very unpolitical statement.
他意识到自己发表了非常不政治的言论。
And you could see by his actions that he thought, "Oh, man.
从他的行为中你可以看出他的想法：“哦，伙计。
I've screwed this up to a fare-thee-well."
我把这件事搞砸了，只能说再见了。”
David Brown.
大卫·布朗.
David Brown I went to bed that night thinking, "Man, the town's destroyed." And the next morning at 6:00 AM, on a Saturday morning, when the Fort Worth City Council meets, an emergency session, and claims all the land that had been disannexed from Westlake-- now you don't get the Fort Worth City Council out of bed at 6 o'clock on a Saturday morning unless you have some clout.
大卫·布朗 那天晚上我上床睡觉时想，“伙计，这个小镇被毁了。”第二天早上 6:00，也就是周六早上，沃斯堡市议会召开紧急会议，宣布收回所有从西湖划出的土地——现在你无法让沃斯堡市议会在周六早上 6 点起床，除非你有一定的影响力。
And yeah, we were mad.
是的，我们很生气。
We were confused.
我们很困惑。
And we were afraid we might have lost the whole ballgame at that point.
我们担心那时我们可能已经输掉了整场比赛。
The aldermen, naturally, have a very different version of these events, a version they shared with me in a hotel conference room several miles outside of Westlake.
当然，市议员对这些事件有一个非常不同的版本，他们在西湖外几英里的一家酒店会议室与我分享了这个版本。
It was the first time they'd collected to speak publicly about what had happened.
这是他们第一次聚集在一起公开谈论所发生的事情。
And they insisted that they all be interviewed together.
他们坚持要一起接受采访。
According to the aldermen, they are the true victims of this story, people unjustly accused of selling out the town, when in fact, they were simply trying to protect Westlake from a corrupt and power-hungry mayor, someone so narrow-minded and fanatical about preserving the rural integrity of his community that he rejected a proposal which was in step with the overall goals of Westlake and its citizens.
根据市议员的说法，他们才是这个故事的真正受害者，人们被不公正地指控出卖了小镇，而事实上，他们只是想保护西湖免受腐败和权力饥渴的市长的侵害，市长是如此狭隘和狂热地维护社区的乡村完整性，以至于他拒绝了一项与西湖及其公民的总体目标一致的提案。
Former Alderman Al Oien.
前市议员艾尔·奥伊恩 (Al Oien)。
Our attitude, everyone except one Alderman and this phony mayor we had said, "It's going to change.
我们的态度，除了一位市议员和这位假市长之外的每个人都说过，“这将会改变。
The best we can hope for is a reasonable change, some input into the change, rather than let them go crazy." And Perot's proposition, it's magnificent.
我们能期望的最好的结果是合理的改变，为改变提供一些投入，而不是让他们疯狂。”佩罗的主张非常出色。
We were really fortunate to have someone with integrity that would develop a town in a reasonable manner, rather than just go in and destroy the thing like most towns develop.
我们真的很幸运，有一个正直的人，他会以合理的方式开发一个城镇，而不是像大多数城镇那样直接进去破坏它。
They say they took no bribes from Perot, were never in any way influenced by Perot, but reached their decision to impeach Mayor Bradley after it became clear that he would do anything, including impeding the legal workings of the board, to stop a legitimate businessman with legitimate rights from developing a property which was his own.
他们说，他们没有收过佩罗的贿赂，也从未受到佩罗的任何影响，但在得知布拉德利市长显然会采取一切行动，包括阻碍董事会的合法运作，以阻止拥有合法权利的合法商人开发属于自己的财产后，他们决定弹劾布拉德利市长。
They described in great detail a series of small battles between themselves and the mayor which led to their decision to impeach him.
他们详细描述了他们与市长之间的一系列小争执，这些争斗导致他们决定弹劾市长。
And listening to them, it does seem possible that what happened in Westlake is that there were some relatively modest misunderstandings and disagreements between the council and Bradley, problems they might have ironed out in normal times.
听他们的话，西湖发生的事情似乎确实有可能是议会和布拉德利之间存在一些相对温和的误解和分歧，这些问题在正常情况下可能已经解决了。
But with the question of Perot's development plan hanging over their heads, these disputes simply spiraled out of control, as each side dug in its heels.
但由于佩罗的发展计划问题悬而未决，这些争端简直失控，双方都固执己见。
The aldermen had run the town for years, and they weren't used to anyone disagreeing with them so persistently and effectively.
市议员们已经管理这个小镇很多年了，他们不习惯有人如此坚持而有效地与他们意见不同。
It was no wonder they came to hate Bradley.
难怪他们开始讨厌布拉德利。
As for the disannexation of Westlake's land, the aldermen say the hostilities from Westlake's citizens was so great after the trial, they simply felt they had no alternative.
至于西湖土地的分割，市议员们表示，审判后西湖公民的敌意如此之大，他们只是觉得自己别无选择。
They had an opportunity to release themselves from a bad situation, to release the Perot property from unreasonable governance, and they took it.
他们有机会摆脱困境，将佩罗财产从不合理的治理中解放出来，他们抓住了这个机会。
But they don't agree that it was their fault that Westlake was destroyed.
但他们并不认为西湖被毁是他们的错。
Alderman Carroll Huntress.
市议员卡罗尔女猎手。
In essence, they've destroyed the town, when they more or less changed allegiances and had no concern for us whatsoever.
从本质上讲，当他们或多或少改变了效忠对象并且不再关心我们时，他们就摧毁了这座城镇。
They did after the trial.
他们在审判后这样做了。
They scorned at you and made harsh remarks at you and treat you like dogs, really.
他们蔑视你，对你说严厉的话，真的把你当作狗一样对待。
Whatever the aldermen's motivations, the people of Westlake clearly disapproved of their actions.
无论市议员的动机如何，西湖人民显然不赞成他们的行为。
The aldermen had scheduled the disannexation meeting for one night before the regular town elections, presumably because they understood that after the impeachment trial, there was very little chance they would continue in office.
市议员们将解散会议安排在常规城镇选举前的一个晚上，大概是因为他们明白，弹劾审判后，他们继续执政的机会微乎其微。
They were right.
他们是对的。
Of the two aldermen eligible for reelection, one withdrew from the race.
在两名有资格连任的市议员中，一名退出了竞选。
The other was turned out of office in a landslide vote.
另一位以压倒性投票结果被赶下台。
Initially, the anti-Perot forces assumed the election, which gave them a majority voting bloc on the Board of Aldermen, would end the political troubles in Westlake.
最初，反佩罗势力认为这次选举将结束西湖的政治麻烦，这次选举使他们在市议员委员会中获得了多数投票权。
But two days after the election, the old Board of Aldermen posted yet another notice, this one stating that according to their interpretation of Texas election law, the new council was prohibited from assuming office for an additional five business days.
但选举两天后，旧市议员委员会又发布了另一份通知，其中指出，根据他们对德克萨斯州选举法的解释，新市议会被禁止在另外五个工作日内就职。
During that time, the old board held a series of meetings in which they confirmed the property disannexations, passed an indemnity ordinance to protect themselves from any litigation relating to town matters, and as a final act, disannexed the property which housed Town Hall.
在此期间，旧董事会召开了一系列会议，确认了财产分割，通过了一项赔偿条例，以保护自己免受与城镇事务有关的任何诉讼，并作为最后行动，取消了市政厅所在的财产。
Meanwhile Bradley, who refused to recognize the validity of his ouster, met regularly with the new board and systematically reversed every action taken by the old board.
与此同时，布拉德利拒绝承认他被罢免的有效性，他定期与新董事会会面，并系统地推翻了旧董事会采取的每一项行动。
David Brown.
大卫·布朗.
We had the old Board of Aldermen refusing to give up their seats, and the new Board of Aldermen a meeting separately and claiming they were the legal board.
我们让旧的市议员委员会拒绝放弃他们的席位，而新的市议员委员会单独开会并声称他们是合法的委员会。
We had Mayor Bradley claiming he'd been removed from office illegally, and therefore, he was still the legal mayor.
布拉德利市长声称他被非法免职，因此他仍然是合法市长。
And we had the old council and Dale White claiming that Dale White was mayor, because he'd been appointed by the council to replace Mr. Bradley.
旧议会和戴尔·怀特 (Dale White) 声称戴尔·怀特 (Dale White) 是市长，因为议会任命他接替布拉德利先生。
So anyway, we had two mayors, two councils, and a town that effectively had been destroyed.
所以无论如何，我们有两位市长、两个议会和一个实际上已经被摧毁的城镇。
And it was a mess right at that point.
那时情况一团糟。
Two mayors, two boards, and all for a town which technically didn't exist.
两位市长，两个董事会，而这一切都是为了一个严格意义上不存在的小镇。
Naturally, it got worse.
Naturally, it got worse.
Alderman Carroll Huntress, who didn't have the legal authority to sign city checks greater than $1,000, used a loophole in city policy and wrote 67 $1,000 checks to pay off the legal bills associated with the mayor's impeachment, forcing the town to freeze its bank accounts and declare temporary bankruptcy.
市议员卡罗尔·亨特雷斯（Alderman Carroll Huntress）没有合法权力签署超过1000美元的城市支票，他利用城市政策的漏洞，开了67张1000美元的支票来支付与弹劾市长相关的法律费用，迫使该镇冻结了银行账户并宣布暂时破产。
Dale White, who continued to claim that he was the rightful mayor of Westlake, changed the locks on the City Hall to keep Bradley and his supporters out.
戴尔·怀特继续声称自己是西湖的合法市长，他改变了市政厅的锁，以将布拉德利和他的支持者拒之门外。
And Bradley, who also continued to claim that he was the rightful mayor of Westlake, changed the locks back.
而布拉德利也继续声称自己是西湖的合法市长，他把锁换了回去。
In the end, the question of whether or not Westlake would continue to exist was settled in a way that no one could have ever predicted.
最终，西湖是否会继续存在的问题以一种谁也无法预料的方式得到了解决。
In the summer of 1998, rumors started circulating around town that a Fortune 500 company was interested in buying a portion of Perot's land in Westlake.
1998 年夏天，镇上开始流传一家财富 500 强公司有兴趣购买佩罗在西湖的部分土地的谣言。
They wanted to build a corporate campus and were willing to pay big, but only if certain conditions were met.
他们想要建造一个企业园区，并愿意支付大笔费用，但前提是满足某些条件。
The company wanted the dispute between Perot and the town resolved.
该公司希望佩罗与该镇之间的争端得到解决。
They didn't want the land they bought to fall within the jurisdiction of the city of Fort Worth, one of the land dispute cases then in front of the courts.
他们不希望自己购买的土地属于沃斯堡市的管辖范围，这是当时法院审理的土地纠纷案件之一。
And there was one other thing.
还有一件事。
The land they were most interested in buying merged with Mayor Scott Bradley's property.
他们最感兴趣的土地与市长斯科特·布拉德利的财产合并。
And they wouldn't buy any land unless Bradley also agreed to sell.
除非布拉德利也同意出售，否则他们不会购买任何土地。
Perot badly wanted the money.
佩罗非常想要这笔钱。
And this put Bradley in the curious position of being able to dictate to his former enemy the terms of the town's restoration.
这让布拉德利处于一种奇怪的境地，他能够向他的前敌人发号施令，决定恢复该镇的条款。
He did.
他做到了。
In December of 1998, 314 acres of ranch land was sold to the Fidelity Corporation.
1998年12月，314英亩牧场土地被出售给富达公司。
And in exchange, Perot abandoned all legal action against the town of Westlake.
作为交换，佩罗放弃了针对西湖镇的所有法律行动。
The town was restored.
The town was restored.
After two years of struggle, Westlake was saved by the very thing its citizens were trying to avoid in the first place-- development.
经过两年的斗争，西湖终于被其公民一开始就试图避免的事情——发展——拯救了。
This did not diminish in any way the sweetness of the Supreme Court ruling which reinstated Scott Bradley as mayor, which was delivered to Scott by his state representative, Vicki Truitt, on April 9, 1999.
这并没有以任何方式削弱最高法院裁决的甜蜜性，该裁决恢复了斯科特·布拉德利(Scott Bradley)市长的职位，该裁决由斯科特·布拉德利 (Scott Bradley) 的州代表维琪·特鲁伊特 (Vicki Truitt) 于 1999 年 4 月 9 日递交给斯科特。
They had declared that I was, and still am, the mayor of the town of Westlake.
他们宣布我过去是、现在仍然是西湖镇的镇长。
And it was just total screaming.
那只是尖叫声。
Vicki was screaming and crying.
维姬尖叫着哭泣。
We were screaming and crying.
我们尖叫着、哭泣着。
And then the news just spread like wildfire.
然后这个消息就像野火一样传开。
The news must've been around the town in half an hour.
半小时内这个消息肯定传遍了全城。
I think, as Americans, that a lot of people out there that have assumed that money and power will carry the day, that our experience teaches us that most of the times, money and power does win.
我认为，作为美国人，很多人都认为金钱和权力会占上风，我们的经验告诉我们，大多数时候，金钱和权力确实会获胜。
And therefore, there's more of a resignation to that fact and a willingness to succumb because we know, or we think, that's going to be the ultimate result anyway.
因此，更多的是对这一事实的放弃和屈服的意愿，因为我们知道，或者我们认为，无论如何这将是最终的结果。
And I think it's almost shocking to us when we find out that, if people will stand up, and if you will fight for what I keep calling the right thing, that ultimately it can win out even over money and power.
我认为，当我们发现，如果人们站起来，如果你愿意为我一直所说的正确的事情而奋斗，那么最终它甚至可以战胜金钱和权力，这几乎让我们感到震惊。
The people of Westlake had always assumed that the aldermen had sold the town out to Perot for money.
西湖镇的人们一直认为市议员们为了钱把小镇卖给了佩罗。
But in the end, there's no evidence to support this theory.
但最终没有证据支持这一理论。
Only one of the aldermen, Jerry Moore, sold his property to Perot directly, for a price reasonably within market range.
只有一位市议员杰里·摩尔（Jerry Moore）将他的财产直接卖给了佩罗，价格在市场范围内合理。
And no other evidence of quid pro quo has surfaced.
而且还没有其他交换条件的证据浮出水面。
In the meantime, almost all of the aldermen have moved away from Westlake.
与此同时，几乎所有市议员都搬离了西湖。
They say it's just too hard after all that's happened, and the town has changed.
他们说，在发生了这一切之后，这太难了，而且这个小镇已经发生了变化。
Al Oien is the only one who continues to own property in town, but says he mostly keeps to himself.
阿尔·奥伊恩是唯一一个继续在镇上拥有房产的人，但他表示自己大多独来独往。
After two years, the people of Westlake had their town back.
两年后，西湖人民夺回了他们的小镇。
And though many seemed to believe with Scott Bradley that the moral of this story is very clear, that right will in the end trump might, that money doesn't always win, a funny thing happened on the way to victory.
尽管许多人似乎相信斯科特·布拉德利（Scott Bradley）认为这个故事的寓意非常明确，但正义意志最终胜过可能，金钱并不总是获胜，但在通往胜利的路上发生了一件有趣的事情。
The people of Westlake seemed to lose sight of their original goal of keeping the town rural.
西湖的人们似乎忘记了让小镇保持乡村的最初目标。
Talk to Don or Ruby or David or Scott today, and they will speak enthusiastically about the new Fidelity campus.
今天与唐、鲁比、大卫或斯科特交谈，他们会热情地谈论新的富达园区。
They even seem reconciled to the idea of more building.
他们甚至似乎同意建造更多建筑的想法。
People now accept that there is development, that there will be more development.
人们现在承认存在发展，并且将会有更多的发展。
And in this sense, Perot may have lost the battle, but has managed to lay the groundwork to win the war.
从这个意义上说，佩罗可能输掉了这场战斗，但却为赢得战争奠定了基础。
Before I left Westlake, I went to visit Perot's company, the Hillwood Corporation.
离开西湖之前，我去参观了佩罗的公司——希尔伍德公司。
They wouldn't speak about the past, but they were happy to talk about the future.
他们不愿谈论过去，但很乐意谈论未来。
David Pelletier, a spokesman for the company, brought out a big, color-coded map and showed me their plans.
该公司发言人大卫·佩尔蒂埃 (David Pelletier) 拿出了一张巨大的彩色地图，并向我展示了他们的计划。
We've already sold this property to Texas Health Systems for a hospital campus.
我们已经将该房产出售给德克萨斯州卫生系统，用于建设医院园区。
That's already been approved by the town.
这已经得到了镇里的批准。
This right here, we were working with General Growth Properties, one of the largest mall developers and mall management companies in the country, to come in.
就在这里，我们正在与全国最大的购物中心开发商和购物中心管理公司之一的 General Growth Properties 合作。
And it's going to be a high-level, upscale shopping resort.
而且它将成为一个高水平、高档的购物度假村。
He pointed out the industrial office complex, the luxury hotel, multi-family housing projects, and finally, the Texas town that Hillwood had first proposed back in 1996.
他指出了工业办公大楼、豪华酒店、多户住宅项目，最后是希尔伍德于 1996 年首次提出的德克萨斯小镇。
They're still planning to build it.
他们仍在计划建造它。
Construction will soon be underway.
施工即将开始。
Alix Spiegel.
阿利克斯·斯皮格尔。
She produced her story with funding from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
她在公共广播公司的资助下创作了自己的故事。
Well, our program was produced today by Julie Snyder and myself with Alex Blumberg, Susan Burton, and Blue Chevigny, contributing editors Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, Alix Spiegel, Nancy Updie, and Consigliere Sarah Vowell.
今天我们的节目由朱莉·斯奈德和我本人以及亚历克斯·布伦伯格、苏珊·伯顿和布鲁·切维尼以及特约编辑保罗·托夫、杰克·希特、玛吉·罗克林、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔、南希·厄普迪和顾问莎拉·沃威尔共同制作。
Production help from Todd Bachmann and Mary Wiltenburg.
托德·巴赫曼 (Todd Bachmann) 和玛丽·威尔滕伯格 (Mary Wiltenburg) 为制作提供帮助。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] To buy a cassette of this program call us here at WBEZ in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
[鸣谢] 要购买该节目的磁带，请致电我们芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
You know, you can listen to our programs for free on the internet at our website, www.thislife.org.
您知道，您可以在我们的网站 www.thislife.org 上免费收听我们的节目。
Thanks to Elizabeth Meister, who runs the site.
感谢该网站的运营者伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister)。
Thanks to Joanne, Dale, and Rob, of The Cola Mail System, for hosting our weekly email Listserv news update.
感谢可乐邮件系统的 Joanne、Dale 和 Rob 主持我们的每周电子邮件 Listserv 新闻更新。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who declares after every episode of our program,
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 负责监督，他在我们节目的每一集之后都宣称，
I can't believe what this man has done.
我不敢相信这个人做了什么。
I'm sitting there, thinking, "I must be in Russia."
我坐在那里，心想：“我一定是在俄罗斯。”
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。