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Prologue Ira Glass Ben has been a construction worker, a public high school teacher, a bike messenger, a laborer, but he says the best job he ever had was as a mover.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯·本 (Ira Glass Ben) 曾是一名建筑工人、一名公立高中教师、一名自行车送货员、一名工人，但他说他做过的最好的工作是搬家工人。
This was in New York.
这是在纽约。
Part of it, he says, was that the actual work with so straightforward.
他说，部分原因是实际工作如此简单。
Part of it was that every day he was entering all these other people's lives, and he never knew where he would end up.
部分原因是他每天都在进入其他人的生活，而他永远不知道自己最终会走向何方。
It was so personal somehow, especially when the people hired movers to pack everything for them.
不知何故，这是非常个人化的，尤其是当人们雇用搬运工为他们打包所有东西时。
I mean, you were coming in at a special kind of time for people where they were pretty tense.
我的意思是，你是在一个特殊的时间进来的，人们都非常紧张。
And you got to see a lot very fast.
而且你必须很快看到很多东西。
You know, 9 o'clock in the morning you're bringing all these pads, and boxes, and straps, and everything into somebody's house as quickly as possible and taking a very quick look around their life.
你知道，早上 9 点，你会尽快把所有这些垫子、盒子、带子和所有东西带到某人的家里，并快速浏览他们的生活。
You get a very good idea very quickly of who they are.
你很快就知道他们是谁。
It's like being a spy.
这就像当一名间谍。
Ben Schrank It felt a lot like being a spy, yeah.
本·施兰克（Ben Schrank） 是的，这感觉很像一名间谍。
When you're moving people all the time, is the thing that occurs to you how similar people's lives are or how different most of our lives are?
当你一直在感动人们时，你会想到人们的生活有多么相似，或者我们大多数人的生活有多么不同？
Well most things that people move are pretty much the same.
人们移动的大多数东西几乎都是一样的。
Everybody has a bed.
每个人都有一张床。
Or at least in this part of the country everybody has a bed, and some books, and a lot of kitchenware, and generally a couch, and a few other things.
或者至少在这个国家的这个地区，每个人都有一张床、一些书、很多厨具，通常还有一张沙发和其他一些东西。
Everyone tends to have a stereo.
每个人都倾向于拥有立体声音响。
Everyone tends to have a television.
每个人都倾向于拥有一台电视。
And then somebody will stand out for one reason or another.
然后有人会因为这样或那样的原因脱颖而出。
They'll have a lot of music, like a lot CDs, or they'll have a collection of wines or something that we'll have to be real careful with.
他们会有很多音乐，比如很多 CD，或者他们会有一系列葡萄酒或我们必须非常小心的东西。
But there's not that much of a difference.
但并没有那么大的区别。
It's like what it reminds me of is you know when you're reading in People , or US Magazine , or any magazine, like any setting where you see inside the living rooms of the super rich and super famous.
这让我想起，当你在《人物》、《美国杂志》或任何杂志上阅读时，就像你在超级富豪和超级名人的客厅里看到的任何场景一样。
And I feel like usually when I see that I just think like that's it?
我觉得通常当我看到我只是想就这样了？
Like that's what they've got?
好像这就是他们所拥有的？
There's a coffee table, and a couple of chairs, and a couch, and a lamp.
有一张咖啡桌、几把椅子、一张沙发和一盏灯。
Like that's the best you can do?
这就是你能做的最好的事情了吗？
Like that's it?
好像就这样了？
But yeah, you'd be moving a couch.
但是，是的，你会移动一张沙发。
And it was sometimes, again, very rich people.
有时，同样是非常富有的人。
And there's only so many configurations for things like couches.
对于像沙发这样的东西来说，只有这么多的配置。
One of the moments that was always kind of interesting, he says, was when people's stuff was all loaded into the truck, everything they had accumulated in this world stuffed into this tiny space.
他说，总是有点有趣的时刻之一是当人们的东西全部装进卡车时，他们在这个世界上积累的所有东西都塞进了这个狭小的空间。
It's a humbling thing for a person.
对于一个人来说，这是一件令人羞愧的事情。
It's a humbling thing.
这是一件令人羞愧的事情。
And they would get very upset often.
他们经常会感到非常沮丧。
And they would be very unsettled by that.
他们会因此感到非常不安。
And I could sort of understand that.
我可以理解这一点。
Because, in a sense, everything that you'd worked for and sort of decided defined you was now sitting in this truck.
因为，从某种意义上说，你所做的一切以及你所做的决定都定义了你现在正坐在这辆卡车上。
And generally if they were around, they'd look at us and the foremen would say, all right, we're going to go get lunch now because usually it would be in the middle of the day.
一般来说，如果他们在附近，他们会看着我们，工头会说，好吧，我们现在去吃午饭，因为通常是在中午。
But they would be staring at the truck.
但他们会盯着卡车。
And you'd say, yeah, we're going to go get lunch, and we'll see you in Riverdale, or we'll see you on 89th Street, or whatever.
你会说，是的，我们要去吃午饭，我们会在河谷见，或者我们会在 89 街见，或者其他什么地方。
And you'd look at them and they'd pause.
你看着他们，他们就会停下来。
Sometimes they'd be cool about it.
有时他们会对此很冷静。
But sometimes they wouldn't.
但有时他们不会。
They'd be like, but you will come there, won't you?
他们会说，但你会去那里，不是吗？
They would say those words?
他们会说那些话？
Ben Schrank Oh sure.
本·施兰克 哦，当然。
People said that all the time.
人们一直这么说。
Or they'd say, can I ride with you, or where are you going to have lunch, or do you have to have lunch?
或者他们会说，我可以和你一起骑车吗，或者你要去哪里吃午饭，或者你必须吃午饭吗？
From their point of view, what's making them linger at the truck?
从他们的角度来看，是什么让他们在卡车上徘徊？
Like what is it?
比如它是什么？
It is the anchor of home.
它是家的锚。
Even for those few hours, especially for middle class people who have always lived somewhere or had a home, you're suddenly sort of rudderless.
即使在那几个小时里，尤其是对于那些一直住在某个地方或有一个家的中产阶级来说，你会突然变得群龙无首。
And I've seen a lot of that where people are just sort of standing around and they don't know what to do with themselves.
我见过很多这样的情况，人们只是站在那里，他们不知道该怎么办。
We come into this world with nothing.
我们来到这个世界上，一无所有。
We leave it with nothing.
我们什么也没有留下。
And on moving day we have nothing.
搬家那天我们什么都没有。
It's an oddly naked moment, that day on which we make a transition from our old life and our old location to our new life and our new place, which is just one reason why everybody hates to move.
这是一个奇怪的赤裸裸的时刻，在这一天，我们从旧的生活和旧的地方过渡到新的生活和新的地方，这只是每个人都讨厌搬家的原因之一。
Its freaky.
太奇怪了。
It's freaky to go to something new.
尝试新事物是很奇怪的。
It's freaky to leave any place where you've been for a while.
离开你已经呆了一段时间的地方是很奇怪的。
And the act of moving itself, it's a hardship.
而移动这个动作本身，就是一个艰难的过程。
Today on our program, we bring you three stories of people who did not want to move at all, but circumstance forced their hands.
今天，在我们的节目中，我们为您带来三个故事，讲述的是人们根本不想动，但环境迫使他们动手的故事。
In Act One, an act that we call, Sleeping in Mommy and Daddy's Room, a family finds a way to move without moving by simply moving back into the house where the wife in the family grew up.
在第一幕，我们称之为“睡在爸爸妈妈的房间里”的一幕中，一家人找到了一种不用搬家就能搬家的方法，只需搬回家里妻子长大的房子即可。
In Act Two, Deal of a Lifetime, a woman buys a house from a man who simply does not move out ever.
在第二幕《一生的交易》中，一名女子从一名从未搬走的男子手中购买了一套房子。
In Act Three, To a De-luxe Apartment in the Sky, a man makes a move, but it takes him eight years to do it.
在第三幕《前往空中的豪华公寓》中，一个男人迈出了一步，但他花了八年的时间才做到这一点。
Stick around.
留下来。
You're listening to This American Life from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International.
您正在收听 WBEZ 芝加哥和国际公共广播电台的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Act One, Sleeping in Mommy and Daddy's Room.
第一幕，睡在爸爸妈妈的房间里。
This is the story of people wanting to change and not wanting to change at all at the same time, of a house that gets built and a house that gets moved all in pursuit of not making a new home at all.
这是一个关于人们想要改变却又不想改变的故事，一座建成的房子和一座被搬走的房子，所有这些都是为了根本不建造新家。
Susan Burton tells the story.
苏珊·伯顿讲述了这个故事。
I went to Wayzata, Minnesota to meet Mimi Bendickson and watch three men move her childhood home.
我去明尼苏达州韦扎塔见了咪咪·本迪克森，并看着三个男人搬走了她童年的家。
Wayzata is just west of Minneapolis.
Wayzata 位于明尼阿波利斯以西。
It's a wealthy suburb, hedges and horse stables.
这是一个富裕的郊区，有树篱和马厩。
And as I drive over to Mimi's, I have a hard time imagining that any of the houses I'm passing could be uprooted.
当我开车去咪咪家时，我很难想象我所经过的任何房子都会被连根拔起。
They're sewn into groomed lawns, penned in by giant trees.
它们被缝在修剪整齐的草坪上，周围环绕着参天大树。
So I'm startled when I near the top of the hill and see an enormous pink brick house in the middle of a pasture, clearly on its way somewhere.
因此，当我接近山顶时，看到牧场中央有一座巨大的粉红色砖房，显然正在前往某个地方，我感到很震惊。
And though it's suspended 12 feet above the ground jacked up on wheels, there are still flowers in the fixtures next to the front door.
尽管它用轮子悬挂在距地面 12 英尺的地方，但前门旁边的装置中仍然有鲜花。
I mean it's a really strange sensation to see a house being supported like this.
我的意思是，看到一座房子被这样支撑真是一种很奇怪的感觉。
This is Mimi.
这是咪咪。
Mimi Bendickson I mean, it looks fragile in a way to be up in the air.
Mimi Bendickson 我的意思是，它在空中看起来很脆弱。
To me, because the house has personality, it looks kind of lonely and confused.
对我来说，因为房子有个性，所以看起来有点孤独和迷茫。
It's not where it should be.
它不在它应该在的地方。
I keep adding personality to it, and thinking it must just wonder what in the world are you guys doing to me.
我不断地给它添加个性，我想它一定只是想知道你们到底对我做了什么。
But in the long run it will be thankful I hope.
但从长远来看，我希望这将是值得庆幸的。
It's early in the day, just past 9:00, and Mimi's carrying a bakery box tied with red ribbon.
时间还早，九点刚过，咪咪提着一个系着红丝带的面包盒。
The movers take a break, eat a doughnut, and the house looming over us, I chat with Larry, the head of the crew.
搬运工们休息了一下，吃了一个甜甜圈，房子就在我们头顶上，我和工作人员的负责人拉里聊天。
We're 40 feet wide.
我们有 40 英尺宽。
The main part of the house is 60 feet long, and then on one end has a sunroom that extends another 15 feet.
房子的主体部分长 60 英尺，一端有一间日光浴室，又延伸 15 英尺。
And on the back end, a mud room so-called, and that sticks out 24 feet.
在后端，有一个所谓的泥房，伸出 24 英尺。
We weighed 240 tons here.
我们这里重达240吨。
Susan Burton This house is massive by moving standards.
苏珊·伯顿（Susan Burton） 这所房子以移动标准来看是巨大的。
Most houses weight only 100, maybe 130 tons, Larry tells me.
拉里告诉我，大多数房屋的重量只有 100 吨，也许 130 吨。
The movers finish up breakfast, slip the doughnut box onto a steel beam underneath the front steps, and as their winches begin to whir, Mimi tells me the history of the house, which is stranger than you might think.
搬运工吃完早餐，将甜甜圈盒滑到前台阶下的钢梁上，当绞盘开始转动时，咪咪告诉我这座房子的历史，这比你想象的更奇怪。
Mimi's parents first built this house in Southern Illinois.
咪咪的父母首先在伊利诺伊州南部建造了这所房子。
They lived there for several years, and then her father was transferred to Minneapolis.
他们在那里住了几年，然后她的父亲被转移到明尼阿波利斯。
The family bought some land in Wayzata and decided to replicate the Illinois house exactly.
这家人在韦扎塔买了一些土地，并决定一模一样地复制伊利诺伊州的房子。
It's amazing.
太棒了。
There's the same wallpaper in my bedroom, same wallpaper in the kitchen.
我的卧室有同样的壁纸，厨房也有同样的壁纸。
Everything was the same-- the colors, the carpeting, the paint.
一切都是一样的——颜色、地毯、油漆。
It may sound really silly, but we'd only had the house for five years, and we'd loved it so much.
这听起来可能很傻，但我们买这栋房子才五年，而且我们非常喜欢它。
And so our neighbors from Illinois would come visit us.
所以我们来自伊利诺伊州的邻居会来拜访我们。
They said it was just the oddest thing because you felt like you could walk out the door and walk home.
他们说这是最奇怪的事情，因为你觉得你可以走出门，走回家。
It was identical.
这是相同的。
So it really was like walking into the same home.
所以这真的就像走进同一个家。
The same crew moved us into this house.
同一批工作人员把我们搬进了这所房子。
And they stood at the front door and said, you've got to be kidding.
他们站在前门说，你一定是在开玩笑吧。
OK guys, that bedroom goes up on the right, that goes in the living room over here.
好的，伙计们，卧室在右边，卧室在这边的客厅。
They knew the house, and it was identical.
他们认识那栋房子，而且一模一样。
And luckily we were able to reproduce everything, the wallpaper, the drapes, the carpeting, just about everything.
幸运的是，我们能够复制所有东西，壁纸、窗帘、地毯，几乎所有东西。
And they lived happily ever after, for 25 years anyway, until certain small things began to bother them, little things about certain rooms.
他们从此幸福地生活了25年，直到某些小事开始困扰他们，某些房间的小事。
It's as if the house they were living in began to coexist in their minds with the second house, an imaginary house that was just slightly more perfect than the one they actually inhabited.
就好像他们所居住的房子开始与第二所房子共存，这是一所想象中的房子，只是比他们实际居住的房子稍微完美一点。
And at some point, they decided they wanted to live in that other house.
在某个时候，他们决定住在另一所房子里。
Here's Truck, Mimi's father.
这是卡车，咪咪的父亲。
And we really said to the architect, we've lived in the family room for two houses, I suppose a total of 30 years.
我们确实对建筑师说，我们已经在两栋房子的家庭房里住过，我想总共有 30 年了。
And if this family room was just a few inches, or feet, or something different, or the fireplace would settle a bit left, or right, or something like that it would be perfect.
如果这个家庭房间只有几英寸，或英尺，或不同的东西，或者壁炉会向左或向右倾斜一点，或者类似的东西，那就完美了。
But they found it would be more expensive to renovate than to tear the house down and build another brand new.
但他们发现翻新比拆除房屋并建造另一栋全新房屋更昂贵。
What to do?
该怎么办？
The thought of bulldozing the house was so upsetting that they could hardly talk about it.
一想到要把房子推平，他们就很难过，几乎无法谈论这件事。
Mimi's mother, Adrienne.
咪咪的母亲艾德丽安。
Mimi had the fourth grandchild.
咪咪有第四个孙子。
Mimi and Mark had the fourth grandchild.
咪咪和马克有了第四个孙子。
And all the others had had a really neat experience, we think, with us in that house on that location.
我们认为，所有其他人都在那个地点的那所房子里度过了一次非常美妙的经历。
And I really felt badly that Adie would never have an opportunity to know that house like everybody else.
我真的很难过，因为艾迪永远没有机会像其他人一样了解那所房子。
And this gave us an opportunity to have her know the house too.
这给了我们一个机会让她也了解这所房子。
Isn't this silly?
这不是很傻吗？
You don't think of how much is in your home until you lose it.
在你失去它之前，你不会想到你的家里有多少东西。
Then Mimi's husband suggested that the family move the house, that he, and Mimi, and their children could live in it.
然后咪咪的丈夫建议一家人把房子搬走，让他和咪咪以及他们的孩子可以住进去。
Since the structure was too big to take onto county roads, they would tug it onto an empty field elsewhere on the property, just a five-minute walk away from the original site, the site on which Mimi's parents will rebuild their old house, with subtle changes, this fall.
由于该结构太大，无法在县道上行驶，因此他们将其拖到该地产其他地方的空地上，距离原址仅五分钟步行路程，今年秋天，咪咪的父母将在原址上重建他们的老房子，并进行细微的改变。
What about a house could mean so much to a family, mean so much that they'd build it three times, scoop it out of the ground, prop it on trailers, drag it through the pasture, carry it with them wherever they go?
一座房子对一个家庭来说意义重大，意义重大，以至于他们会建造三次，把它从地里挖出来，用拖车支撑，拖过牧场，无论走到哪里都带着它？
Architecturally, there isn't anything extraordinary about the house.
从建筑角度来看，这所房子没有什么特别之处。
Adrienne and Truck found the floor plan in a magazine.
艾德丽安和卡车在一本杂志上找到了平面图。
It's a pretty two-story with four bedrooms, a little formal looking.
这是一栋漂亮的两层楼，有四间卧室，看起来有点正式。
If, in the 1970s, you spent any time in a country club suburb, you drove your station wagon past a lot of houses like this.
在 20 世纪 70 年代，如果您在乡村俱乐部郊区度过一段时间，您就会开着旅行车经过许多这样的房屋。
Adrienne offers one explanation for her attachment to the house.
艾德丽安对她对这座房子的依恋提供了一种解释。
I don't like to change.
我不喜欢改变。
And I'm tedious to the point of-- anyway, I'm tedious.
我很乏味到——无论如何，我很乏味。
But when we come to a conclusion on something we are so married to that idea, and then we don't want to revisit it again.
但当我们对某件事得出结论时，我们就会非常执着于这个想法，然后我们就不想再重新审视它了。
So yeah, people thought we were strange because lots of friends of ours have the ability and the inclination to completely redecorate, and re-carpet, and do all these things about every ten years.
所以，是的，人们认为我们很奇怪，因为我们的很多朋友有能力和倾向完全重新装修、重新铺地毯，并且大约每十年做一次所有这些事情。
We don't feel the need to do that.
我们觉得没有必要这样做。
And I don't know if it's laziness.
而且我不知道这是否是懒惰。
I think it's we are really happy with what we have.
我认为我们对我们所拥有的感到非常满意。
And at some level, the reason this family keeps remaking the same house is as simple as they're happy together in that home.
在某种程度上，这个家庭不断改造同一栋房子的原因很简单，因为他们在那个家里在一起很开心。
They have fun there.
他们在那里玩得很开心。
This is not a family for whom Sunday dinner together is an obligation.
对于这个家庭来说，周日共进晚餐并不是一项义务。
They like being together.
他们喜欢在一起。
And they like being together around their house.
他们喜欢在房子周围呆在一起。
When I suggest to Mimi that for many people, moving back into a childhood home might be painful, bittersweet, it's almost like she doesn't understand what I mean.
当我向咪咪建议，对于很多人来说，搬回童年的家可能是痛苦的、苦乐参半的，她几乎不明白我的意思。
Well, maybe if someone had died there, she says.
好吧，也许有人死在那里，她说。
And there's one more reason why the house means so much.
房子如此重要还有一个原因。
In the movie of this family's life, in the scene where the dying man says, Rosebud, the name Mimi's family would say is
在这个家庭生活的电影中，在临终者说“玫瑰花蕾”的场景中，咪咪的家人会说的名字是
Truck's ancestors include some old money Minnesotans who owned a historic home called well, Highcroft, a 40,000 square foot mansion on Lake Minnetonka.
Truck 的祖先包括一些明尼苏达老钱，他们拥有一栋历史悠久的住宅，名为海克罗夫特 (Highcroft)，这是一座位于明尼通卡湖 (Lake Minnetonka) 的 40,000 平方英尺的豪宅。
Truck pages through a green leather album showing me photographs.
卡车翻阅一本绿色皮革相册，向我展示照片。
The house had its own power plant, a commercial laundry on the first floor.
房子有自己的发电厂，一楼有一个商业洗衣房。
It was torn down in the 1950s, the land sold off and divided up into separate plots just four miles from where the family lives now.
它在 20 世纪 50 年代被拆除，土地被卖掉并分成独立的地块，距离这家人现在居住的地方仅四英里。
Everyone makes sure that I know about Highcroft, brings it up early in the conversation.
每个人都确保我了解海克罗夫特，并在谈话中尽早提及。
The family clearly feels the story explains something about them.
这家人显然觉得这个故事解释了他们的一些事情。
Anyway, the last night in early January, 1952, Granddad was leaving for the train station.
不管怎样，1952 年 1 月初的最后一个晚上，爷爷正要去火车站。
And the staff of Highcroft, and there was this enormous big house had generally more than one butler, and more than one cook, and upstairs maids, and downstairs maids, and a manager of the house, and everybody else, the chauffeur, they lined up to say goodbye to Granddad.
海克罗夫特的工作人员，这座巨大的大房子通常有不止一名管家，不止一名厨师，楼上的女佣，楼下的女佣，房子的经理，还有其他所有人，司机，他们排着队向爷爷告别。
And I will never ever forget how broken up I was to watch this old man who was about 85 years old say goodbye to what was his history.
我永远不会忘记，当我看着这位85岁左右的老人告别他的历史时，我是多么心碎。
You grow up hearing your family's stories--
你是听着家人的故事长大的——
This is Mimi again.
这又是咪咪。
Mimi Bendickson --and they're all passed on.
咪咪·本迪克森——他们都被传承了。
Stories take on a life of their own.
故事有自己的生命。
There's always been these stories.
这些故事一直都有。
And it probably makes this Highcroft house even grander than it was.
这可能使这座海克罗夫特的房子比以前更加宏伟。
Who knows?
谁知道？
I mean, I don't know.
我的意思是，我不知道。
But I think it was kind of weird that they didn't think of a way to save it.
但我认为他们没有想到办法来拯救它，这有点奇怪。
So maybe that's like a little voice in the back of my head, that it's pretty hard to lose something because it's gone forever.
所以也许这就像我脑后的一个小声音，很难失去一些东西，因为它已经永远消失了。
There was a choice about Highcroft, and the family believes it chose wrong.
海克罗夫特有一个选择，但家人认为它的选择是错误的。
And this seems to be more painful than the absence itself.
而这似乎比缺席本身更痛苦。
And what they fear is forgetting.
他们害怕的是忘记。
Mimi tells me that once something is gone it's hard to remember it again, that already it's hard to imagine the big pink brick house on its old site.
咪咪告诉我，一旦有些东西消失了，就很难再记住它，已经很难想象旧址上的粉红色大砖房了。
And building the same thing every time is a way of guarding against forgetting.
每次构建相同的东西是防止遗忘的一种方法。
It's almost as if the family thinks that if they live their lives in different rooms all of their memories would disappear.
就好像这家人认为，如果他们住在不同的房间里，他们所有的记忆都会消失。
There's not one single aspect of that house that is that important to me, but it's what happened in that house, which is why we have built it twice, I think.
那栋房子没有任何一个方面对我来说那么重要，但我认为这就是那栋房子里发生的事情，这就是我们建造两次的原因。
It works well, yes, but it's the things that happened there, the milestones in our lives, the preparations for two weddings, the children being born, the baptism luncheons, the Easter, the Christmases.
是的，它运作良好，但它是在那里发生的事情，我们生活中的里程碑，两次婚礼的准备，孩子的出生，洗礼午餐会，复活节，圣诞节。
Those are the things that really, if we were in a different house altogether, that would all be lost.
如果我们完全在不同的房子里，这些东西真的会全部消失。
Why shouldn't you be able to hold onto what happens inside a room?
为什么你不能掌握房间内发生的事情？
Mimi's family simply takes to an extreme a feeling a lot of people have about homes they've lived in and moved away from.
咪咪的家人将很多人对他们曾经居住过和搬离的房屋的感受发挥到了极致。
A house can inspire a kind of longing.
房子可以激发一种向往。
But you can love a house maybe too much, which was something Mimi had to think about.
但你可能会太爱房子，这是咪咪必须考虑的事情。
Because she was essentially asking her husband, Mark, to move into her childhood home from his childhood home, which is where they live now.
因为她本质上是要求她的丈夫马克从他童年的家搬到她童年的家，也就是他们现在住的地方。
Mimi and I drive out to Maple Plain.
咪咪和我开车去枫树平原。
It's only 15 minutes from Wayzata, but more rural and more working class, low-slung warehouses, a beer distributor, a sign that says, chainsaw sale on now.
距离 Wayzata 仅 15 分钟路程，但更多的是乡村气息，更多的是工人阶级，有低矮的仓库，有一家啤酒经销商，还有一个牌子，上面写着“电锯促销”。
We pass Mark's parents house-- the one he actually grew up in-- take a left and we're at Mark and Mimi's house, high on a bluff, looking around at miles of pretty plains and wetlands.
我们经过马克父母的房子——他实际上是在那里长大的——左转，我们就到了马克和咪咪的房子，房子位于高高的悬崖上，环顾四周绵延数英里的美丽平原和湿地。
From here we can see where Mark's sister lives.
从这里我们可以看到马克的妹妹住的地方。
She and the rest of his family helped him move this house here, put down the driveway, plant the grass.
她和他的家人帮助他把房子搬到这里，铺设车道，种草。
Mark's so easygoing that if he's upset about leaving this world he's put so much effort into constructing there's no way to tell.
马克非常随和，以至于他是否因为离开这个世界而感到不安，因为他在建设上付出了如此多的努力，这是无从得知的。
Mimi was very open-minded to move out here with me away from civilization, and to move into my home that had my look to it.
咪咪非常开放地愿意和我一起搬到这里远离文明社会，并搬进我喜欢的家。
And history to it.
还有它的历史。
Mark Well, and now I mean the least I can do is cheerfully follow her to our next step.
马克：好吧，现在我的意思是我至少能做的就是高兴地跟随她进行下一步。
This is as much as I can ever get Mark to say about the move.
关于这次搬迁，我能得到的就这么多了。
As the three of us talk he seems reluctant to bring up anything that might upset anyone.
当我们三个人谈话时，他似乎不愿意提出任何可能让任何人不安的事情。
He says he's looking forward to being in a better school district, closer to restaurants, to setting up his music studio, but Mimi notices something he's leaving out.
他说他期待着去一个更好的学区，离餐馆更近，建立他的音乐工作室，但咪咪注意到他遗漏了一些东西。
You've never once mentioned the house, like how you feel about the house itself.
你从来没有提到过那栋房子，就像你对房子本身的感觉一样。
I've never even asked you that.
我什至从来没有问过你这个问题。
Uh oh.
呃哦。
We're going to have to put the house up for sale.
我们将不得不把房子出售。
But I mean how you feel about the house, not just moving?
但我的意思是你对房子的感觉如何，而不仅仅是搬家？
I love it.
我喜欢它。
I don't think that's an issue.
我认为这不是问题。
I like this house where we are now.
我喜欢我们现在住的这个房子。
This other one is better.
另一个更好。
This isn't the answer Mimi's looking for.
这不是咪咪要寻找的答案。
And they go around on this until finally Mimi points out that Mark would've been happy to stay in their current house.
他们一直在讨论这个问题，直到最后咪咪指出马克会很乐意留在他们现在的房子里。
And this has sort of always been a touchy issue.
这一直是一个棘手的问题。
But this was never my house for my life.
但这从来都不是我一生的家。
And I always was looking to the next step.
我一直在寻找下一步。
And moving here was always, to me, coming into your world for a lot of reasons.
对我来说，搬到这里总是因为很多原因进入你的世界。
This is where Mark had his single life.
马克在这里度过了他的单身生活。
This is where Mark dated other people.
这是马克和其他人约会的地方。
This is where his whole family was involved.
这是他的整个家庭都参与其中的地方。
This has always been our house, but it's Mark's house.
这一直是我们的房子，但这是马克的房子。
I'm kind of making it seem like it's black and white.
我有点让它看起来像是黑白的。
And I will be really sad to leave here too.
离开这里我也会很难过。
But I'm so excited for the other.
但我为另一个感到非常兴奋。
And I've always been dreaming about the next step where Mark saw his dreams for this place.
我一直梦想着下一步，马克会看到他对这个地方的梦想。
And so that's hard.
所以这很难。
I mean he's got paths that he made for the kids to walk in.
我的意思是，他为孩子们开辟了行走的道路。
Well that's hard to give up.
嗯，这很难放弃。
Mimi starts to cry.
咪咪开始哭泣。
And I turn off the tape recorder.
我关掉录音机。
And she looks out the window and says, it's hard to see somebody's dreams not be able to happen.
她看着窗外说，很难想象有人的梦想无法实现。
There are two parts to a move, what you take with you and what you leave behind.
搬家有两个部分，你带走的东西和你留下的东西。
And the hardest thing for Mark isn't coming into Mimi's world, it's what he's giving up.
对马克来说，最困难的事情不是进入咪咪的世界，而是他要放弃的东西。
It's hard to imagine moving an entire house, and not many people do it.
很难想象搬动整个房子，而且很少有人这样做。
There aren't firm figures, but by one estimate, 10,000 structures of all kinds are moved each year.
虽然没有确切的数字，但据估计，每年有 10,000 座各类建筑物被移动。
The guy moving Mimi's house, Larry Stubbs of Stubbs Building Movers, recently made the Guinness Book of World Records when he moved the Shubert Theatre in Minneapolis.
搬动咪咪房子的人是斯塔布斯建筑搬家公司的拉里·斯塔布斯，他最近在搬迁明尼阿波利斯的舒伯特剧院时创造了吉尼斯世界纪录。
To move Mimi's childhood home, Larry started by digging a moat around the house, inserted jacks at the edges of the building, cracked it off its foundation, pumped it up into the air.
为了搬走咪咪儿时的家，拉里首先在房子周围挖了一条护城河，在建筑物的边缘插入千斤顶，将其从地基上撬开，然后将其抽到空中。
Then he stuck a complicated network of support beams and wheeled dollies underneath.
然后他在下面安装了一个由支撑梁和轮式推车组成的复杂网络。
It took less than a week to pull the house close to its new site.
不到一周的时间，房子就被拉到了新址附近。
Then Mark and his father got in excavators and dug a big hole, graded an incline down into it.
然后马克和他的父亲开上挖掘机，挖了一个大洞，在里面修了一个斜坡。
The house gets rolled into the hole.
房子被卷进洞里了。
A foundation is built under it.
其下建有地基。
The support system is taken away.
支撑系统被拿走。
As they pull the house into the hole, you can see the wheels turning under it.
当他们把房子拉进洞里时，你可以看到轮子在房子下面转动。
But its progress is so incremental, so graceful, that you can't actually perceive the move unless you go away for an hour and return, as Mimi and I do, to see the house turned at an angle rounding a bend, the doughnut box from this morning still sitting upon a beam
但它的进展是如此渐进，如此优雅，以至于你实际上无法察觉到这种移动，除非你离开一个小时然后回来，就像咪咪和我一样，看到房子以一个角度转了一个弯，今天早上的甜甜圈盒仍然坐在横梁上
Mimi gets out her cell phone and calls friends and family, tells them to come over.
咪咪拿出手机给朋友和家人打电话，让他们过来。
It looks like today's the day Larry's going to finish, fix the house in its final spot.
看起来今天是拉里要完成的日子，把房子修到最后的位置。
I climb up in a truck cab with a mover named Dave, who's winching a cable attached to the house around a giant spool.
我和一位名叫戴夫的搬运工一起爬上卡车驾驶室，他正在用绞车将一根与房子相连的电缆绕在一个巨大的线轴上。
What did he say?
他说什么？
Dave Go easy on that one.
戴夫（Dave） 放轻松一点。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE].
[难以理解的短语]。
Dave We might be done.
戴夫 我们可能就完了。
That might be it here.
可能就是这里了。
What makes you think that?
是什么让你这么想？
Dave Well we're both letting our cables down.
戴夫：好吧，我们都放下了我们的电缆。
So let's go find out.
那么我们就去了解一下吧。
And all of a sudden it's in place, and we're not on a job site zigzagged by bulldozer tracks but in a front yard.
突然间它就就位了，我们不是在推土机履带蜿蜒的工地上，而是在前院。
Mimi's mother, Adrienne, arrives and stands before the house, right where the circular driveway will be, holding her granddaughter, Adie.
咪咪的母亲艾德丽安 (Adrienne) 抵达并站在房子前，就在环形车道所在的位置，抱着她的孙女艾迪 (Adie)。
It's just a little emotional.
只是有点感慨而已。
It's all of a sudden not our house anymore.
突然间它就不再是我们的房子了。
Now it's this generation's house, and it's wonderful.
现在这是这一代人的房子，非常棒。
Yeah.
是的。
This is not Grandpa's house anymore or Grandma's house.
这不再是爷爷的家，也不再是奶奶的家。
This is your house.
这是你的房子。
It's in a new spot.
它在一个新的地方。
Yes.
是的。
Here we walk in and it's kind of a mess.
我们走进去，这里有点乱。
And aqua from 20 years ago.
还有20年前的aqua。
But this is the kitchen.
但这是厨房。
Mimi and I climb up a ladder and through a hole poked into the floor of the mud room.
咪咪和我爬上梯子，穿过泥房地板上的一个洞。
I feel as if we're entering an exhibit, something mounted, a museum piece.
我感觉我们好像正在进入一个展览，一个安装好的东西，一个博物馆的藏品。
The interior of the house is so vintage 70s that it's a little spooky.
房子的内部是70年代的复古风格，有点诡异。
I half expect one of the girls from the movie The Virgin Suicides to lean over the banister in a gauzy prom dress.
我有点期待电影《处女之死》中的一个女孩穿着薄纱舞会礼服靠在栏杆上。
We stand in the wood paneled family room talking about Mimi's plans to redecorate and her memories of the place.
我们站在木镶板的家庭活动室里，谈论咪咪的重新装修计划以及她对这个地方的回忆。
This is the room where the picture was taken when Mark proposed to me.
这是马克向我求婚时拍照的房间。
We came over and woke my mom up and took pictures in here.
我们过来叫醒我妈妈并在这里拍照。
It was like 1:00 in the morning.
时间大约是凌晨 1:00。
But this is the room that, for me, has caused the most agonizing over how to make it special and us in a new feel but not too different.
但对我来说，这个房间最让我苦恼的是如何让它变得特别，让我们有一种新的感觉，但又没有太大的不同。
To Mimi, this is the central tension of the project.
对于 Mimi 来说，这是该项目的核心张力。
She's trying to preserve something, but change it at the same time.
她试图保留一些东西，但同时也改变它。
We finish the tour of the first floor and head upstairs.
我们结束了一楼的参观，上楼。
You know when you walk up the stairs in your house and just sort of know exactly how long it's going to take.
当您走上家中的楼梯时，您就知道要花多长时间。
Do you have that feeling like when you walk up the stairs?
当你走上楼梯时，你有这种感觉吗？
Yeah, and what's funny is I always walk up and go this way because that's my old room.
是的，有趣的是我总是走上前，朝这边走，因为那是我以前的房间。
I never ever would take somebody to the master bedroom first because I've never done that, which I guess I hadn't thought about until now.
我从来不会先带某人去主卧室，因为我从来没有这样做过，我想我直到现在才想到这一点。
Anyway, this is my brother and mine, this is the bathroom we shared growing up.
无论如何，这是我和我的兄弟，这是我们一起长大的浴室。
I tried to figure out a polite way to ask Mimi, won't it be a little odd to be sleeping with your husband in your parents bedroom?
我想了一个礼貌的方式问咪咪，和你丈夫睡在你父母的卧室里会不会有点奇怪？
When I finally do, Mimi is surprisingly unfazed by the notion.
当我最终这样做时，咪咪却出人意料地没有被这个想法所困扰。
It simply doesn't bother her that much.
这根本就不让她那么烦恼。
In fact, she said, she and Mark have a four poster bed just like her parents.
事实上，她说，她和马克和她的父母一样有一张四柱床。
Mark comes inside with Adie and Mimi takes him to see the view from the kitchen windows.
马克和艾迪一起进来，咪咪带他从厨房的窗户看风景。
It's the moment in the move when a house officially changes hands and the new owners walk around whispering, exploring.
这是搬迁过程中房屋正式易手的时刻，新主人四处走动，窃窃私语，探索。
And what's amazing is that Mimi can actually have this experience in this house, given the fact that she lived here for 18 years.
令人惊奇的是，咪咪居然能在这所房子里有这样的经历，因为她在这里住了18年。
She tours the rooms looking for little reassurances, that it will feel normal here, that it wasn't a mistake to move the house.
她巡视各个房间，寻找一点安慰，让她相信这里会感觉很正常，搬家并不是一个错误。
And what's most comforting to Mimi is that it feels a lot like what it was.
最让咪咪感到欣慰的是，感觉和原来很像。
It doesn't feel weird anymore.
已经不觉得奇怪了。
Looking out the windows, it doesn't feel odd anymore.
望着窗外，不再有什么奇怪的感觉。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Doesn't it kind of look like it's the same view?
是不是看起来都是同一个景色呢？
Well it's a nice view.
嗯，景色不错。
Mimi Bendickson But doesn't it just feel like it did because you're facing the same direction and you're looking at the same green and the same trees in the back?
Mimi Bendickson 但是，这难道不是感觉就像是因为你面向同一个方向，看到后面同样的绿色和同样的树木吗？
Later in the evening, I sit in the yard and think about how F.
晚上晚些时候，我坐在院子里思考 F.
Scott Fitzgerald set some of his short stories here, in the wealthy corners of Minnesota, amidst lake houses and broad lawns.
斯科特·菲茨杰拉德（Scott Fitzgerald）的一些短篇小说就以这里为背景，位于明尼苏达州的富裕角落，周围有湖边小屋和宽阔的草坪。
The story Mimi's dad told me about his grandfather's last night at Highcroft has a plot that's pure Fitzgerald, someone riding away on a snowy night in a Pullman car taking a last look at the fine old mansion, the receding past.
咪咪的爸爸给我讲了他祖父在海克罗夫特的最后一晚的故事，故事情节纯粹是菲茨杰拉德式的，一个雪夜里，有人乘坐普尔曼汽车离开，最后看了一眼那座精美的老宅，最后看了一眼渐渐远去的过去。
In an actual Fitzgerald story, say Winter Dreams , that past would be lost forever.
在菲茨杰拉德真实的故事中，《冬梦》中说，过去将永远消失。
And at some point the protagonist, in that one a Minnesota golf caddy, would rub his eyes in a panic trying to conjure it up again, reinhabit that world, and be devastated by his inability to summon it back.
在某个时刻，主角，明尼苏达州的一名高尔夫球童，会惊慌地揉着眼睛，试图再次召唤它，重新居住在那个世界，并因无法召唤它而感到沮丧。
But Fitzgerald would have had to write Mimi's story as a fairy tale.
但菲茨杰拉德不得不把咪咪的故事写成童话。
She's done the thing that's impossible, packed the one thing you can't take with you.
她做了一件不可能的事，带上了一件你不能带走的东西。
She's kept the past accessible for her whole family.
她让全家人都能了解过去的事情。
They have all of the rooms, all of the years of their lives.
他们拥有所有的房间，所有的岁月。
They can literally step back into something a lot of people strain to recapture.
他们实际上可以退回到很多人都竭尽全力想要重新捕捉到的东西。
And she's been able to do this because, unlike Fitzgerald's characters, unlike so many of us, she's never left home.
她之所以能够做到这一点，是因为与菲茨杰拉德笔下的人物不同，也与我们许多人不同，她从未离开过家。
Susan Burton.
苏珊·伯顿。
Coming up, how to sell your home, make thousands and thousands of dollars, and never move out.
接下来，如何卖掉你的房子，赚几千美元，而且永远不搬走。
That's right, a case study.
没错，就是案例研究。
That's in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
[MUSIC - "YOU'D BE SO NICE TO COME HOME TO" BY THE AL COHN AND ZOOT SIMS QUINTET]
[音乐 - AL COHN 和 ZOOT SIMS 五重奏的“你真高兴回家”]
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同的故事。
Today's program, how to move without really moving, stories of people who do not want change in their lives, but then events force them to change and how they try to hold onto what they already know and love despite that.
今天的节目，如何在没有真正移动的情况下移动，讲述那些不想改变生活的人的故事，但随后事件迫使他们改变，以及他们如何尝试坚持他们已经知道和热爱的事情。
We've arrived at Act Two of our program, Act Two, Deal of a Lifetime.
我们已经进入了我们计划的第二幕，第二幕，千载难逢的交易。
The typical way that it goes when somebody moves is that they move into the new house or apartment and the old occupant moves out.
当有人搬家时，典型的方式是他们搬进新房子或公寓，而旧住户则搬出。
Sarah Koenig has this story of a situation where the new mover moved in, but at that point the process came to a dead halt.
莎拉·柯尼格（Sarah Koenig）有一个这样的故事：新搬家搬进来，但那时整个过程完全停止了。
My stepsister, Rue, wanted a house in Sag Harbor, New York badly.
我的继姐妹鲁非常想要在纽约萨格港买一套房子。
But the former fishing village is now the artsiest of the tourist towns that make up the Hamptons, and she couldn't really afford it.
但这个曾经的渔村现在是汉普顿最具艺术气息的旅游城镇，而她真的买不起。
Then one day she found out about a lovely house on Main Street listed for two prices.
然后有一天，她发现主街上一栋可爱的房子挂牌价有两种。
The more expensive listing included a house, a shed, and a little garden.
更昂贵的清单包括一栋房子、一个棚屋和一个小花园。
The cheaper listing included a house, a shed, a little garden, and Ned.
更便宜的清单包括一栋房子、一个棚子、一个小花园和内德。
Well, the way I identify Ned is my man.
嗯，我认为内德是我的男人。
People laugh at this, but he really is mine.
人们嘲笑这一点，但他确实是我的。
He's the man that came with the house.
他是和房子一起来的人。
The deal was this.
交易是这样的。
Rue moved into her dream house at $110,000 discount.
Rue 以 11 万美元的折扣搬进了她梦想的房子。
The catch was Ned, an elderly, sick man who sold the house cheap on one condition, that he never have to move out.
问题是奈德，一位年老体弱的老人，他低价卖掉了房子，条件是他永远不必搬走。
Rue lives in the upstairs apartment.
鲁住在楼上的公寓里。
Ned lives in the more spacious downstairs, where he will stay until he dies.
内德住在楼下更宽敞的地方，他将住在那里直到去世。
While Ned is working in his little downtown shop, which sells classical music CDs, Rue gives us a tour.
当内德（Ned）在他位于市中心的小商店工作时，该商店出售古典音乐 CD，鲁（Rue）带我们参观了。
We're coming into Ned's portion of the house, which is where he's lived for I think maybe 20 years, I'm not sure, and which is good for him too because he's older.
我们要进入内德的那部分房子，我想他在那里住了大概 20 年，我不确定，这对他也有好处，因为他年纪大了。
It's all on street level.
这一切都在街道层面。
He doesn't have to climb any stairs.
他不需要爬任何楼梯。
And also he's lost a lot of his sight, which is one reason why he really didn't want to leave this house.
而且他已经失去了很多视力，这也是他真的不想离开这个房子的原因之一。
Unlike the mansions across the street, this house isn't big or fancy.
与街对面的豪宅不同，这栋房子并不大，也不豪华。
It was built perhaps 100 years ago for the workers in the local watchcase factory.
它大约是 100 年前为当地表壳工厂的工人建造的。
When she bought it, Rue was 36 and single.
当 Rue 买下这栋房子时，她 36 岁，还是单身。
The idea that she could inhabit only two rooms of her new house didn't seem problematic.
她只能住在新房子的两个房间的想法似乎没有问题。
What she did not foresee was that in the space of a year, she would acquire a puppy, a husband and a baby.
她没想到的是，一年之内，她就拥有了一只小狗、一个丈夫和一个孩子。
She tries to focus on the deal's advantages.
她试图把重点放在这笔交易的优势上。
The cramped quarters have taught her to resolve fights with her husband rather than flee them, she says.
她说，狭窄的宿舍教会她如何解决与丈夫的争吵，而不是逃离。
And Rue, extravagantly messy in her youth, has now taken to watching Martha Stewart's TV show at 9:00 AM, and has learned helpful tips for maximizing space.
Rue 年轻时非常凌乱，现在开始在上午 9:00 观看玛莎·斯图尔特 (Martha Stewart) 的电视节目，并学到了如何最大限度地利用空间的有用技巧。
Still, she can't deny that the population boom in her apartment has made Ned's downstairs look especially attractive.
尽管如此，她还是不能否认，她公寓里的人口激增让内德的楼下看起来特别有吸引力。
And this is the living room.
这是客厅。
Sarah Koenig Is this where you would have the bedroom if you were down here?
莎拉·科尼格 如果你在这儿的话，这就是你的卧室吗？
Would you use that as the master bedroom?
你会用它作为主卧室吗？
Well, actually I think I would change the whole back of the house if I were down here.
好吧，实际上我想如果我在这儿的话我会改变整个房子的后面。
As you might guess, I've had a few imaginings of what I'd like to do with the space down here, but not too many.
正如你可能猜到的，我对这里的空间有一些想法，但没有太多。
I don't like to get carried away with myself prematurely.
我不喜欢过早地得意忘形。
These are all terrible things to think of.
这些都是想想就可怕的事情。
Why are they terrible things to think of?
为什么它们是可怕的事情？
Well, I don't know.
嗯，我不知道。
There's this vulture-like aspect of it when you start talking about what you'd like to do.
当你开始谈论你想做的事情时，就会有一种秃鹰般的感觉。
I mean there's no getting around that.
我的意思是，这是无法回避的。
How can I talk about what I'd like to do?
我该如何谈论我想做的事情？
I'd never get to do it until he's moved on from this world.
在他离开这个世界之前我永远不会这么做。
Well, we are now standing in the second parlor of this house on Main Street in Sag Harbor.
好吧，我们现在正站在萨格港大街上这座房子的第二个客厅里。
And I've lived here since 1985.
我从 1985 年起就住在这里。
I sold it to Rue, I think, in '95.
我想是在 95 年我把它卖给了 Rue。
And I never expected to be alive this long.
而且我从来没想过自己能活这么久。
Poor Rue.
可怜的鲁。
To Ned, who is 78, selling his house from under himself was an ingenious way to stay in a place he considers home.
对于 78 岁的内德来说，出售自己的房子是留在他认为的家的地方的巧妙方法。
A pianist who made his living as an editor, Ned has spent his life getting money and then spending it all.
内德是一位钢琴家，以编辑为生，他一生都在赚钱，然后花光了所有的钱。
By the time he put his house on the market he was sick and broke.
当他把房子挂牌出售时，他已病重且身无分文。
He didn't have the will to move.
他没有动的意愿。
The Main Street house is the only one he's ever owned.
主街的房子是他唯一拥有的一栋房子。
It's crammed with antiques, and oriental rugs, and reminders of his elegant New Orleans upbringing.
里面摆满了古董和东方地毯，让人想起他在新奥尔良优雅的成长经历。
A large romantic portrait of him from 1951 hangs in the parlor.
客厅里挂着一幅他 1951 年拍摄的大幅浪漫肖像。
In the kitchen is a framed photograph of Stillwood, his grandmother's plantation house.
厨房里挂着一张他祖母的种植园斯蒂尔伍德的相框。
And the little silver coffee set, this set right here, a little coffee pot, a cream pitcher, and a sugar pitcher, and a tray, my mother said was from the Civil War down in New Orleans.
还有那套银色的小咖啡具，就在这里，一个小咖啡壶、一个奶油罐、一个糖罐和一个托盘，我母亲说是来自新奥尔良内战时期的。
And it's been buried in the garden to keep General Butler, Spoon Butler they called him, to keep it from him.
它被埋在花园里，以防止巴特勒将军，他们称之为勺子巴特勒，不让他发现。
And I said, oh mother, on the bottom of each piece in here it says 1893.
我说，哦，妈妈，这里每件作品的底部都写着 1893 年。
And she said, well that's a stock number.
她说，这是库存编号。
In reality, my mother was not to be moved by this.
事实上，我的母亲对此并不感到感动。
And when I took the tray to a silversmith in New York to have it redone, he said, has this tray ever been buried in the ground?
当我把托盘拿到纽约的一位银匠那里重做时，他说，这个托盘曾经埋在地下吗？
Because there are all sorts of minerals in it that you only find in the ground.
因为它含有各种只能在地下找到的矿物质。
And I told him the story.
我把这个故事告诉了他。
He said, well I bet your mother was right.
他说，我敢打赌你妈妈是对的。
Besides the house and its occasional ailments-- a leaky skylight and overflowing garbage can-- what unites these two households is the anticipation of Ned's death.
除了房子和偶尔出现的小毛病——天窗漏水和垃圾桶满溢——之外，将这两户人家团结在一起的还有对内德死亡的期待。
Back when they first negotiated the deal nobody thought he would still be alive today.
当他们第一次谈判这笔交易时，没有人认为他今天还活着。
He had had a heart attack and he had had a history of heart disease, I don't know how long a history.
他心脏病发作过，有心脏病史，不知道有多久了。
He had had bypass surgery, and then right after the closing, two weeks after the closing, he had another heart attack.
他接受了搭桥手术，然后就在交易结束后两周，他再次心脏病发作。
And I talked to him from the hospital.
我在医院里和他谈过。
And he sounded quite authentically sick I have to say.
我不得不说，他听起来确实病了。
And that was six years ago.
那是六年前的事了。
The trouble is I, all of a sudden, began to get better and was going around full of energy.
问题是我突然间开始好转，并且充满活力。
And I feel perfectly good most of the time.
大多数时候我感觉非常好。
I wake up and I embrace the day so to speak, well not the early day.
我醒来，可以这么说，我拥抱这一天，但不是清晨。
[PIANO PLAYING] Sarah Koenig The contract that binds Ned and Rue has led them to live together separately.
[钢琴演奏]莎拉·科尼格 内德和鲁的合同使他们分居在一起。
They don't consider each other family or even friends.
他们不认为彼此是家人，甚至朋友。
They don't invite each other over for dinner or drop by each other's apartment for a chat.
他们不会邀请对方共进晚餐，也不会去对方的公寓聊天。
When they do talk, their conversation is almost exclusively about the house.
当他们真正交谈时，他们的谈话几乎完全是关于房子的。
Like considerate roommates, they try not to offend each other with their habits.
就像体贴的室友一样，他们尽量不用自己的习惯冒犯对方。
I try to figure out when maybe nobody's upstairs and that's when I play.
我试图弄清楚什么时候楼上可能没有人，那就是我玩耍的时候。
But sometimes I realize they are upstairs, but then I go ahead and play anyhow.
但有时我意识到他们在楼上，但我还是继续玩。
I'm sure it must bother them.
我相信这一定让他们很烦恼。
It would bother me.
这会让我很烦恼。
I've played the piano ever since I was nine years old.
我从九岁起就开始弹钢琴。
And I'm very sad by the fact that I can no longer read music because I've forgotten all those pieces that I learned all those years ago.
我感到非常难过，因为我无法再读乐谱了，因为我已经忘记了多年前学过的所有乐曲。
But I now can sit down and simply play what comes out.
但我现在可以坐下来简单地玩一下出来的东西。
And oddly enough, sometimes what comes out is very, very nice.
奇怪的是，有时结果非常非常好。
It's always very sad.
总是很悲伤。
Oh there have been moving evenings here, let me tell you, not a dry handkerchief in the house.
哦，让我告诉你，这里有过令人感动的夜晚，屋里没有一块干手帕。
In fact, Rue likes his playing.
事实上，鲁喜欢他的演奏。
She's never told him so, but she finds it soothing when the music drifts into her bedroom when she and the baby are taking a nap.
她从未告诉过他，但当她和孩子小睡时，音乐飘进她的卧室时，她觉得很舒缓。
And he has never told her that he finds her presence upstairs comforting.
他也从未告诉过她，他觉得她在楼上的存在让他感到安慰。
Still there are complicated feelings on both sides.
双方的感情依然复杂。
I do like Ned and I do feel kind of benevolent towards him like I'm taking care of him sometimes.
我确实喜欢内德，而且我确实对他感到仁慈，就像我有时会照顾他一样。
He just inspires that in people.
他只是激发了人们的这种想法。
But then I'm not going to be terribly, terribly sorry when he dies.
但当他去世时我不会感到非常非常遗憾。
I'm going to be sorry, but I'm also going to feel some relief.
我会感到抱歉，但我也会感到一些宽慰。
It's very strange.
这很奇怪。
Every time I ask him how are you doing or take care, I always get this little twinge.
每次我问他你好吗或照顾得怎么样，我总是感到有点刺痛。
There is a twinge.
有一阵刺痛。
Of?
的？
Rue A twinge of like how are things going or how are you doing, and just this wicked twinge comes over me because I think that I'd a little bit like to hear not so great.
鲁 一种刺痛感，比如事情进展如何或你做得怎么样，这种邪恶的刺痛感笼罩着我，因为我想我有点想听到不太好的声音。
Do you think that he's keyed in to this other conversation in your head?
你认为他参与了你脑海中的另一场对话吗？
I'm aware that the other side can't be all that thrilled that I'm still there.
我知道对方不会因为我还在那里而感到那么兴奋。
But she's been very nice to me.
但她对我很好。
And I think I've been very nice to her I think.
我想我对她很好。
Well she obviously likes you.
嗯，她显然喜欢你。
Ned Well I hope so because I like her.
内德 好吧，我希望如此，因为我喜欢她。
Oh I'm sure.
哦，我确定。
Sarah Koenig Does it make you feel guilty that you got better?
莎拉·科尼格（Sarah Koenig）的病情好转会让你感到内疚吗？
I don't think I feel guilty.
我不认为我感到内疚。
Maybe I do.
也许我会。
I'm just sorry that there is Rue sitting up there.
我只是很抱歉鲁坐在那儿。
She can't help but wait, biting her fingernails probably.
她可能忍不住地等待，可能咬着指甲。
It ultimately won't matter to me even now.
即使现在，这对我来说最终也不重要。
It's a done deal what Rue feels about it.
鲁的感觉是，事情已经板上钉钉了。
I don't blame Rue or anybody for the fact that I spent all my money.
我不会因为我花光了所有的钱而责怪鲁或任何人。
And I don't, in a way, think that I should be blamed because she spent hers.
从某种程度上来说，我并不认为我应该因为她花掉了她的钱而受到责备。
It sounds heartless put this way, and I guess it is.
这样说来，听起来很无情，我想确实如此。
When one begins picking it apart this way it sounds really quite awful, as though I'm just squelching the life of a young couple and now a brand new life.
当人们开始以这种方式拆开它时，听起来真的很糟糕，就好像我只是压制了一对年轻夫妇的生活，现在却压制了全新的生活。
A lot of people would say that Rue looks like the heartless one in this arrangement.
很多人会说，在这个安排中，Rue看起来像个无情的人。
There she is waiting for a gentleman to die.
她在那里等待一位绅士的死去。
That's why I think this kind of speculation, there's a certain falseness about it.
这就是为什么我认为这种猜测有一定的虚假性。
Yes, these thoughts flicker across every mind, mine as well as hers I'm sure, but we're civilized beings.
是的，这些想法在每个人的脑海中闪过，我确信我的和她的，但我们是文明人。
I did what I thought I had to do.
我做了我认为我必须做的事。
And I also think that she did what she felt she maybe not had to do, but she did what she wanted to do.
我还认为她做了她认为可能不必做的事情，但她做了她想做的事情。
[PIANO PLAYING] Sarah Koenig To maintain their relationship, Ned and Rue have developed a careful communication devoid of jokes about arsenic, for example, at least to each other.
[钢琴演奏] Sarah Koenig 为了维持他们的关系，Ned 和 Rue 建立了一种谨慎的沟通方式，例如，至少在彼此之间，没有关于砷的笑话。
The result is a textbook defense of civil society, a housebound version of Robert's Rules of Order .
其结果是一本为公民社会辩护的教科书，一个居家版本的罗伯特议事规则。
It's been very civilized I think.
我认为这是非常文明的。
Rue and I are polite to each other.
鲁和我彼此都很有礼貌。
She doesn't inquire into my problem, and I don't inquire into hers.
她不问我的问题，我也不问她的问题。
We don't let our feelings carry us into territory that is uncharted and really will always be uncharted.
我们不会让我们的感情带我们进入未知的领域，而且永远都是未知的领域。
What territory is that?
那是什么领土？
Ned The territory that she resents the fact that I'm still alive and I resent the fact that she wants me to die.
奈德：她怨恨我还活着，我也怨恨她想让我死。
It's supposed to be a total honesty in examining every scrap of the brain, our emotions and whatnot are supposed advance something.
应该完全诚实地检查大脑的每一个碎片、我们的情绪以及其他应该推进某些事情的东西。
But it usually depresses rather than advances I think.
但我认为它通常会抑制而不是进步。
I think that we have these rules of society and whatnot for kind of good reasons.
我认为我们有这些社会规则等等是有充分理由的。
It's better to be on the surface than not because it's unanswerable, and it's territory that I'm unable to explore.
浮于表面总比不浮于表面要好，因为这是无法回答的，而且是我无法探索的领域。
And I don't think Rue is able to explore it to any benefit either.
我也不认为 Rue 能够利用它来获得任何好处。
Because of his upbringing, Ned comes to this position naturally.
由于他的成长经历，内德自然而然地担任了这个职位。
But it's remarkable to me that my stepsister, a 70s wild child still known to say things like virtue is a load of crap, has come to understand the power of polite restraint.
但对我来说，值得注意的是，我的继妹，一个 70 年代的野孩子，仍然会说美德是一堆废话，她已经开始理解礼貌克制的力量。
In private, of course, away from Ned, she's unapologetic about what lurks beneath their relationship.
当然，私下里，远离内德，她对潜藏在他们关系之下的事情毫无歉意。
I don't feel so very guilty about it because I don't feel anything that anybody else wouldn't feel.
我对此并不感到非常内疚，因为我没有感受到任何其他人不会感受到的东西。
I know how people are.
我知道人们是怎样的。
I'm no worse than anybody.
我并不比任何人差。
Mother Teresa could be living in this apartment, if she were young with a baby and a husband, and not have those thoughts.
如果特蕾莎修女年轻时带着孩子和丈夫，并且没有这些想法，她可能会住在这间公寓里。
OK?
好的？
I know that.
我知道。
It seems to me that people waste an awful lot of time having pretenses about what they're supposed to feel when what they really feel is what they really feel.
在我看来，人们浪费了很多时间来假装自己应该有什么感受，而实际上他们真正的感受就是他们真正的感受。
You can't tell life to be something that it's not going to be, that it isn't.
你不能告诉生活它不会是、它不是。
You can't argue with it.
你无法与之争论。
I don't mind being just a human being.
我不介意只是一个人。
That's fine.
没关系。
[PIANO PLAYING] Sarah Koenig Both Rue and Ned moved into this house hoping it would be the last place where they'd ever unpack.
[钢琴演奏] Sarah Koenig Rue 和 Ned 都搬进了这所房子，希望这将是他们最后一次打开行李的地方。
Ned got his wish.
内德如愿以偿。
But if he survives for more than another year, a strong possibility, Rue will have to move out.
但如果他还能再活一年多（这种可能性很大），鲁将不得不搬出去。
Her two small rooms will become too small once her baby starts to crawl.
一旦她的宝宝开始爬行，她的两个小房间就变得太小了。
For now though, Rue's proud that the five souls living under her roof are getting along so well.
但现在，露很自豪生活在她屋檐下的五个灵魂相处得如此融洽。
And when Ned finally does die, she says she'll be sad.
当内德最终去世时，她说她会很难过。
Along with twinges of wickedness, it's a sadness she bought along with the house.
除了邪恶的刺痛之外，她还用房子买来了悲伤。
[PIANO PLAYING] Ned There you have my Rachmanioff period.
[钢琴演奏] 内德 这是我的拉赫玛尼奥夫时期。
Well not really.
好吧，不是真的。
Sarah Koenig.
莎拉·科尼格.
[MUSIC - "LOVE NEST" BY HI LOS]
[音乐 - HI LOS 的“爱巢”]
Act Three, To a De-luxe Apartment in the Sky.
第三幕，前往空中的豪华公寓。
One of the producers of This American Life , Blue Chevigny, used to have a job that was all about moving day and people who did not want to face that day.
《美国生活》的制片人之一布鲁·切维尼（Blue Chevigny）曾经有一份工作，内容就是搬家的日子和那些不想面对这一天的人。
She worked for an agency in New York called Project Reachout, part of Goddard Riverside Community Center.
她在纽约一家名为 Project Reachout 的机构工作，该机构是戈达德河滨社区中心的一部分。
They moved homeless mentally ill people into their own homes.
他们将无家可归的精神病患者转移到自己的家中。
With most of her clients it took years.
对于她的大多数客户来说，这花了好几年的时间。
In April, she went back to New York to watch one of the guys who she knew and liked finally get into his own room.
四月，她回到纽约，看着她认识并喜欢的一个男人终于走进了自己的房间。
Back at my old job, George stood out from a lot of the other clients.
回到我原来的工作岗位，乔治在许多其他客户中脱颖而出。
He was immediately easy to relate to.
他很快就很容易让人产生共鸣。
He was more talkative, more expressive, more open with people.
他更健谈，更有表现力，对人更开放。
One of my old coworkers, Dave Dean, remembers being an intern seven years ago, walking into the basement where all the clients were hanging out, playing cards, not talking much, especially to him.
我的一位老同事戴夫·迪恩（Dave Dean）记得七年前当实习生时，走进地下室，所有的客户都在那里闲逛，打牌，没有太多说话，尤其是对他。
He remembers meeting George.
他记得遇见乔治。
He was very charming.
他非常有魅力。
And so the director was introducing me to the clients, introduced me to George.
所以导演把我介绍给客户，把我介绍给乔治。
And George asked if I wanted to play pool, and so we played pool.
乔治问我是否想打台球，所以我们就打台球。
And he was very friendly, very engaged, was going out of his way to make me feel at home as the new intern at the day program.
他非常友好，非常投入，不遗余力地让我作为日间项目的新实习生有宾至如归的感觉。
Other clients were capable of that kind of warmth after you knew them for a little while.
其他客户在你认识一段时间后也会有这种热情。
But very few were so friendly from the start.
但很少有人从一开始就如此友好。
At that time George was living on the street.
那时乔治住在街上。
Eight years went by before he was ready to move into his own place again.
八年过去了，他才准备好再次搬到自己的住处。
What took so long?
什么事花了这么长时间？
For one thing, like a lot of mentally ill people, he didn't really mind living outside ever since the day he first became homeless two decades ago.
一方面，像许多精神病患者一样，自从二十年前他第一次无家可归的那一天起，他并不介意住在外面。
One day I just got up and just left the place.
有一天，我起床离开了这个地方。
I just closed the door and broke the key off in the lock, and I just took off to the streets.
我关上门，把锁里的钥匙折断，然后就跑到街上去了。
Now that I think about now, to just leave it the way I did leave it, it shows there are signs of a very sick man, no plans, nothing, closed it, locked the door, and broke the key off, and just leave.
现在我想起来，就按照我离开时的方式留下来，这表明有一个病得很重的人的迹象，没有计划，什么都没有，关上门，锁上门，把钥匙折断，然后就离开了。
I left clothes, rugs on the floor, furniture, everything.
我把衣服、地毯、家具、所有东西都留在了地板上。
I just left it.
我刚刚离开它。
And you never went back and got that stuff?
然后你就再也没有回去拿过那些东西？
No, I never went back.
不，我再也没有回去过。
I was free.
我自由了。
I felt like I was free as a bird.
我感觉自己就像一只鸟一样自由。
I was free, no responsibilities, nothing.
我是自由的，没有责任，什么都没有。
I don't have to pay rent.
我不用付房租。
I don't have to pay gas and light.
我不用付煤气费和电费。
I go over here and eat what I want when I want it.
我到这里来，想吃什么就吃什么。
I go over here and sleep there.
我到这里去，睡在那里。
I was flying around like a mad man I was so free listening to my Walkman do do do do do do do do do do.
我像个疯子一样飞来飞去，我是如此自由地听我的随身听，嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟嘟。
Dave would see him in the park looking as out there as anyone you ever see on the streets of New York, in a white unitard, white shirt, white turban, and with gold chains around his neck.
戴夫会在公园里看到他，他的样子就像你在纽约街头见过的任何人一样，穿着白色紧身衣、白色衬衫、白色头巾，脖子上戴着金项链。
Dave and other workers would give him sandwiches, try to lure him back to Project Reachout where he had come for help in the past.
戴夫和其他工人会给他三明治，试图引诱他回到他过去寻求帮助的 Project Reachout。
It took a long, long time.
花了很长很长的时间。
And I kept talking with him in the park and saying George, come back.
我一直在公园里和他说话，对乔治说，回来吧。
We did it before.
我们以前做过。
We can do it again.
我们可以再做一次。
Take care of yourself.
照顾好你自己。
Come back.
回来。
Dave said, I understand you're free.
戴夫说，我知道你有空了。
But life is more than just being free.
但生活不仅仅是自由。
You can be just as free and more comfortable than sleeping on park benches, hanging out on the subway.
你可以像睡在公园的长椅上、在地铁上闲逛一样自由、更舒适。
And so he talked to me.
于是他就跟我说话了。
And he was like, I'm not ready, I'm not ready.
他说，我还没准备好，我还没准备好。
We went on like that for a while in the park.
我们就这样在公园里待了一会儿。
And then for whatever reason George was ready.
然后无论出于什么原因乔治都准备好了。
And he decided OK, he'll do it.
他决定，好吧，他会这么做。
And then he came back one winter.
然后一年冬天他回来了。
What makes George's case different than a lot of the other people at Project Reachout is that he happens to respond really well to medication.
乔治的案例与 Project Reachout 的许多其他人不同的是，他碰巧对药物反应非常好。
Without it, he says, he's angry all the time.
他说，如果没有它，他就会一直生气。
Anger was built up like I was going to explode all the time.
愤怒不断积聚，就像我随时都会爆发一样。
All you had to do was say something, I'd explode on you.
你只要说点什么，我就会对你大发雷霆。
Boom.
繁荣。
Before my thoughts were all over the place.
在我的思绪飞扬之前。
You could ask me a question then, and 20 minutes later I'd ask you if you asked me a question.
然后你可以问我一个问题，20分钟后我会问你是否你问了我一个问题。
Now if you ask me a question I try to answer it if I have an answer.
现在，如果你问我一个问题，如果我有答案，我会尽力回答。
We could sit down, we could talk.
我们可以坐下来，我们可以谈谈。
I can concentrate on what's going on.
我可以专注于正在发生的事情。
But I was a real grouch.
但我真的很爱发牢骚。
These days if you meet George he looks completely normal and great.
如今，如果你见到乔治，他看起来完全正常而且很棒。
He smiles all the time.
他一直微笑。
He looks as if he takes time to put himself together every day.
他看起来好像每天都花时间让自己振作起来。
Dave says he looks like a college professor, a 48-year-old African American man with salt and pepper hair, dressing in nice suits or jackets, and looking all studious in eyeglasses.
戴夫说，他看起来像一位大学教授，是一位 48 岁的非洲裔美国人，有着椒盐色的头发，穿着漂亮的西装或夹克，戴着眼镜，看上去很勤奋。
And today he's moving 40 blocks north to his own place.
今天他要向北移动 40 个街区到他自己的住处。
I bet you're not going to miss that dog.
我打赌你不会想念那只狗的。
No, you're right.
不，你是对的。
Blue Chevigny Dave helps George moved his stuff into a van along with Christina Caine, who coordinates housing for Project Reachout and moves everyone.
布鲁·切维尼·戴夫 (Blue Chevigny Dave) 帮助乔治将他的东西搬进一辆货车，与克里斯蒂娜·凯恩 (Christina Caine) 一起，克里斯蒂娜·凯恩 (Christina Caine) 负责协调 Project Reachout 的住房并运送所有人。
Moving a homeless person usually means carrying a few garbage bags of stuff.
搬迁无家可归者通常意味着携带几袋垃圾。
For George, it means the van is jam-packed.
对于乔治来说，这意味着货车挤满了人。
He has a portable stereo, a TV, and a VCR, things he's bought with disability checks.
他有一台便携式音响、一台电视和一台录像机，这些东西都是他用残疾支票买的。
But the real reason we have to make seven trips up and down the stairs, three people carrying stuff, is his clothes.
但我们必须三个人搬着东西，上下七次楼梯的真正原因是他的衣服。
Yeah, a big walk-in closet.
是的，一个大步入式衣柜。
Dave Dean You're going to need it.
戴夫·迪恩（Dave Dean）你会需要它的。
That's the first thing I spotted.
这是我发现的第一件事。
I said, oh wow.
我说，哦，哇。
Look, there's a big walk-in closet.
看，这里有一个很大的步入式衣柜。
For the last year George has been living in a shelter where he doesn't have his own room, a place designed as transitional housing.
去年，乔治一直住在一个避难所里，他没有自己的房间，这个地方被设计成过渡住房。
At some point all of these clients have to move to permanent homes, and it's one of the trickiest parts of my old job.
在某些时候，所有这些客户都必须搬到永久住所，这是我以前的工作中最棘手的部分之一。
Moving day is what they're all working towards, but in many cases when that day comes, it's been like pulling teeth to get there.
搬家的日子是他们所有人都在努力的目标，但在很多情况下，当那一天到来时，要到达那里就像拔牙一样。
Most schizophrenics share this quality with some homeowners, they don't like change.
大多数精神分裂症患者与一些房主都有这种品质，他们不喜欢改变。
They've barely gotten used to the transitional shelter, and now they have to move.
他们刚刚适应了过渡庇护所，现在必须搬家。
One of the guys I was closest to got so mad at me about moving that I gave him a little pep talk about it every day for months, while he just scowled at me, before he'd agree to go.
我最亲近的一个人对我搬家感到非常生气，以至于几个月来我每天都给他一些鼓舞人心的谈话，而他只是对我皱着眉头，然后才同意离开。
He stayed in the shelter for two years.
他在收容所里呆了两年。
Christina is the one who now finds housing for these guys.
克里斯蒂娜现在为这些人找到了住所。
Some feel like we don't want them anymore, and we want to make room for new people and just get them out.
有些人觉得我们不再需要他们了，我们想为新人腾出空间，然后让他们离开。
And they have made deep connections with a lot of the workers.
他们与很多工人建立了深厚的联系。
And they feel hurt when that relationship changes.
当这种关系发生变化时，他们会感到受伤。
It doesn't necessarily end or have to end, although some of them do end it.
它不一定结束或必须结束，尽管其中一些确实结束了。
There was a client who did move, and he never came back.
有一个客户搬家了，但他再也没有回来。
And he won't see me for follow-ups.
而且他不会再来看我的后续行动。
They do feel abandoned.
他们确实有被抛弃的感觉。
For a lot of these people, it's their first relationship that was consistent and nonjudgmental, and they don't want to lose that.
对于很多人来说，这是他们的第一个一致且不带偏见的关系，他们不想失去这种关系。
Because of this, during the move the three of us keep up an ongoing patter of encouragement and positive reinforcement.
正因为如此，在搬迁过程中，我们三个人不断地鼓励和积极强化。
We open the door to his new place.
我们打开他新家的门。
This is is so nice.
这真是太好了。
Dave Dean Home sweet home.
戴夫·迪恩 (Dave Dean) 甜蜜的家。
Welcome.
欢迎。
Thank You.
谢谢。
Dave Dean George, you have air conditioning in here.
戴夫·迪恩·乔治，这里有空调。
Yeah.
是的。
Christina Caine The things that are important to, I guess you would say, the average person like having a clean place to stay, I try to stress that.
克里斯蒂娜·凯恩 我想你会说，对于普通人来说，重要的是喜欢有一个干净的住处，我试图强调这一点。
Look how clean it is.
看看它多干净。
And a lot of them are like, so?
他们中的很多人都喜欢，所以呢？
They lived outside.
他们住在外面。
It's OK if it's not clean to them.
如果对他们来说不干净也没关系。
So that's a hard selling point to get them out of the shelter.
所以这是让他们离开庇护所的一个硬卖点。
We want them somewhere clean and safe.
我们希望他们在一个干净、安全的地方。
And to them cleanliness isn't really a priority.
对他们来说，清洁并不是真正的首要任务。
If they feel comfortable somewhere, that's the priority.
如果他们在某个地方感到舒服，那就是优先考虑的事情。
Even though we all know this, in our need to go on and on about how great the new place is, at some point we run low on material and find ourselves saying--
尽管我们都知道这一点，但在我们需要不断地谈论新地方有多么棒的时候，在某些时候我们的材料不够了，发现自己说——
George, look at this bathroom.
乔治，看看这个浴室。
It's so clean.
真是太干净了。
And as we ride up in the elevator, George pines for his old room in the shelter.
当我们乘电梯上楼时，乔治思念着他在避难所的旧房间。
But I loved my little room over there, Dave.
但我喜欢我那边的小房间，戴夫。
You had to pry me out of it.
你必须把我从这件事中撬出来。
It will take a little while, but you'll love this one soon, you know?
这需要一点时间，但你很快就会喜欢这个，知道吗？
It'll take a while.
这需要一段时间。
You probably won't sleep well the first few nights.
最初的几个晚上你可能睡不好。
It's always difficult to sleep in a new place.
在一个新的地方睡觉总是很困难。
And that's natural.
这是很自然的。
So that's going to happen.
所以这将会发生。
But I think, after a while, you'll like this place better.
但我想，一段时间后，你会更喜欢这个地方。
You'll appreciate it.
你会很感激的。
And then when you go back to visit [UNINTELLIGIBLE], you'll be like, dang, I'm glad I got out of here.
然后当你回去访问[难以理解]时，你会说，天哪，我很高兴我离开了这里。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I remember the first day I moved in there.
我记得我搬到那里的第一天。
I looked at those yellow walls.
我看着那些黄色的墙壁。
I said, oh drab, yellow walls.
我说，哦，单调的黄色墙壁。
Then you couldn't tear me out of it.
那么你就无法将我从其中拉出来。
Once people have moved inside they sometimes really struggle.
一旦人们搬进去，有时他们真的会很挣扎。
And it's all a bit unpredictable who'll do well and who won't.
谁会做得好，谁不会，这一切都有点难以预测。
One guy we moved took six months to figure out how to ride the simple subway commute back and forth to his place each day.
我们搬来的一个人花了六个月的时间才弄清楚如何每天乘坐简单的地铁往返于他的住处。
But George seems happy with his new room once everything's in it.
但一旦所有东西都搬进新房间后，乔治似乎对他的新房间很满意。
And the facility is designed for people like him, homeless and mentally ill.
该设施是为像他这样的无家可归者和精神病患者而设计的。
The rent is a fixed percentage of his disability check-- about a third.
房租是他残疾支票的固定百分比——大约三分之一。
There are staff people there to help him if he needs it.
如果他需要的话，那里有工作人员可以帮助他。
But it's really his own place.
但这确实是他自己的地方。
Two weeks later I go back to visit George to see how he's doing.
两周后，我回去看望乔治，看看他怎么样了。
He goes back every day to Project Reachout to visit Dave, and get his meds, and to go to his day program.
他每天都会回到 Project Reachout 探望 Dave，拿到他的药物，并参加他的日间计划。
I have it down to a basic science of six minutes, six minutes traveling time from here to Reachout.
我把它归结为六分钟的基本科学，从这里到 Reachout 的旅行时间为六分钟。
And I get up in the morning, and I do my thing.
我早上起床，做我的事。
I wash my face, brush my teeth, comb my hair, slide into my clothes.
我洗脸、刷牙、梳头、穿上衣服。
I look at the time.
我看看时间。
I see the train is coming.
我看到火车来了。
So I press the elevator.
于是我按下了电梯。
That's how cool it is.
就是这么酷。
I walk real cool and calm to the elevator.
我非常冷静地走向电梯。
It goes ding.
它发出叮叮声。
And then I go downstairs and I walk around the corner.
然后我下楼，走到拐角处。
And then I get to the train station and I hear the train coming, and I have to start flying.
然后我到达火车站，听到火车来了，我必须开始飞行。
Boogidy boogidy boogy boogy.
布吉迪布吉迪布吉布吉。
I shoot the metro card through the machine and get on the train.
我通过机器拍地铁卡然后上车。
And six minutes later I'm at the corner of Amsterdam and 96th Street on my way into Reachout.
六分钟后，我就到了阿姆斯特丹和 96 街的拐角处，前往 Reachout。
He talks at length about the unlimited metro card pass that he pays for once a month, the pass that lets him ride around the city on the subway and buses as much as he wants and visit his old buddies in the shelter, which he does nearly every day.
他详细讲述了他每月支付一次的无限制地铁卡通行证，这张通行证可以让他随心所欲地在城市中乘坐地铁和公共汽车，并拜访他在避难所的老朋友，他几乎每天都这么做。
The city seems full of possibilities.
这座城市似乎充满了可能性。
After we finish talking, George walks me to the bus I'm taking to the airport.
我们谈话结束后，乔治陪我走向我要乘坐的去机场的巴士。
He says he's never flown in an airplane anywhere, but now that he knows what bus goes out there he thinks he'll go out and watch some planes take off some time.
他说他从来没有坐过飞机去任何地方，但现在他知道有什么巴士去那里，他想他会出去看一些飞机起飞。
He asks me how I'm doing off in Chicago, a whole new city.
他问我在芝加哥这个全新的城市过得怎么样。
I tell him things are good in some ways, not so good in others.
我告诉他事情在某些方面是好的，但在其他方面则不太好。
I tell him I miss New York.
我告诉他我想念纽约。
He pats me on the arm.
他拍拍我的手臂。
He says it takes some time to get used to things.
他说需要一些时间来适应这些事情。
Blue Chevigny.
蓝色切维尼。
Credits George Clinton I go over here and I sleep there.
乔治·克林顿 (George Clinton) 致谢 我到这里来，睡在那里。
I was flying around like a mad mad I was so free listening to my Walkman, do do do do do do do do do do.
我像疯了一样飞来飞去，我是如此自由地听着我的随身听，做做做做做做做做做做做。
And producer Blue Chevigny spent a while trying to figure out what song it might be that he's singing so she could play it right after.
制作人 Blue Chevigny 花了一段时间试图弄清楚他唱的可能是什么歌曲，以便她可以立即播放。
And she came up with many possibilities.
她想出了很多可能性。
Here are just a few.
这里仅列出一些。
Do do do do do do do do.
做做做做做做做做。
[MUSIC - "GOT TO GET YOU INTO MY LIFE" BY EARTH, WIND, & FIRE]
[音乐-“必须让你进入我的生活”由土、风和火]
This is Earth, Wind, & Fire's Got To Get You Into My Life.
这就是土、风和火要把你带入我的生活。
Or is it from Jesus Christ Superstar .
或者是来自万世巨星。
Do do do do do do do do.
做做做做做做做做。
[MUSIC - "SUPERSTAR" BY JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR ORGINAL CAST]
[音乐 - “SUPERSTAR”，由耶稣基督巨星原创演员阵容]
Do do do do do do do do.
做做做做做做做做。
[MUSIC - "MRS. ROBINSON" BY SIMON & GARFUNKEL]
[音乐 - 西蒙和加芬克尔的《罗宾逊夫人》]
Lou Reed.
卢·里德.
[MUSIC - "WALK ON THE WILD SIDE" BY LOU REED]
[音乐 - LOU REED 的“Walk on the Wild Side”]
And of course our final pick, George Clinton.
当然还有我们的最终选择，乔治·克林顿。
Do do do do do do do do.
做做做做做做做做。
[MUSIC - "FLASH LIGHT" BY PARLIAMENT]
[音乐 - 议会的“闪光灯”]
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Ira Glass This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
[鸣谢] Ira Glass 《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia who, you know, has his own radio show that he does back in his living room about which he says--
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 负责监督，你知道，他有自己的广播节目，他在客厅里做节目，他说——
There have been moving evenings here let me tell you.
让我告诉你，这里有过一些感人的夜晚。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life .
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。