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Prologue Ira Glass Not long ago, the guy who headed the youth group at Covenant Presbyterian Church decided to hold a debate.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 不久前，圣约长老会青年团体的负责人决定举行一场辩论。
Half the kids in the youth group had to argue for Christianity.
青年组中有一半的孩子不得不为基督教辩护。
Half the kids had to make the case that Christianity was all made up, a fairy tale.
一半的孩子必须证明基督教完全是编造出来的，是一个童话故事。
And the Christians lost.
基督徒失败了。
And I think the number one reason why is because they tried to just come at it with a lot of facts.
我认为第一个原因是他们试图用大量事实来解决这个问题。
And it was amazing to watch these-- the ones that were debating Christianity said, Jesus is real.
看到这些真是令人惊奇——那些辩论基督教的人说，耶稣是真实的。
There's people that found him, and there's proof on this, and they-- evidence.
有人找到了他，并且有证据证明这一点，而且他们——证据。
Archaeological records.
考古记录。
Dan Adamson Archaeological records.
丹·亚当森考古记录。
And what was so awesome, by the non-Christian debate team, is they said, fine.
最棒的是，非基督徒辩论队说，好吧。
We totally acknowledge that Jesus is real.
我们完全承认耶稣是真实的。
But so was Mohammed.
但穆罕默德也是如此。
So was Buddha.
佛亦如此。
So was this.
这也是如此。
And the Christians were like, yeah, but Jesus is real.
基督徒说，是的，但耶稣是真实的。
And he died on the cross and he rose again.
他死在十字架上，又复活了。
And the non-Christians came back and said, well, there's people that believe that.
非基督徒回来说，好吧，有人相信这一点。
But there's also people that believe Mohammed was this.
但也有人相信穆罕默德就是这样。
And what I wish the Christians would have done, would have bee said, here am I.
我希望基督徒会做的事，他们会说，我在这里。
I believe God is real because He's changed my life.
我相信上帝是真实的，因为他改变了我的生活。
And put myself on the witness stand and say, here's what I was before God and here's who I am now.
把自己放在证人席上说，这就是我在神面前的样子，这就是我现在的样子。
The problem is, for the teenagers in this youth group, the phrase, here's who I was before I found God, it has no meaning.
问题是，对于这个青年群体中的青少年来说，“这就是我在找到上帝之前的样子”这句话没有任何意义。
They all come from families that discuss the Bible at dinner.
他们都来自在晚餐时讨论圣经的家庭。
They go to church every Sunday.
他们每周日都去教堂。
They come from the kind of homes where all the kids can tell you how many swears are in the movie Titanic, because every TV show and film is pre-screened.
他们来自这样的家庭，所有的孩子都可以告诉你电影《泰坦尼克号》中有多少脏话，因为每部电视节目和电影都经过预先放映。
I have kids that are willing to serve, kids that know the Bible, kids that know their theology.
我有愿意服务的孩子，了解圣经的孩子，了解他们的神学的孩子。
This is the only truth they've known.
这是他们所知道的唯一真相。
They've been told from the very beginning God loves them, God has a plan for them.
他们从一开始就被告知上帝爱他们，上帝对他们有一个计划。
Jesus is their Savior.
耶稣是他们的救主。
They've been singing "Jesus Loves Me" since they've been five years old.
他们从五岁起就开始唱《耶稣爱我》。
It's time for them to develop their own faith, not just to parrot back what their parents say.
现在是他们发展自己的信仰的时候了，而不仅仅是人云亦云地重复父母的话。
Dan says this.
丹这样说。
Most of the parents say it.
大部分家长都这么说。
They need to question what they've learned and come to their own conclusions.
他们需要质疑自己所学到的知识并得出自己的结论。
If they don't do it now, Dan says, they'll do it later, without parents and a youth pastor to nudge them toward God.
丹说，如果他们现在不这样做，他们以后也会这样做，没有父母和青年牧师来推动他们走向上帝。
So Dan decided to take them to West Virginia.
所以丹决定带他们去西弗吉尼亚州。
It will be a mission trip, the youth group's first mission trip.
这将是一次宣教之旅，也是青年团的第一次宣教之旅。
They'd have to help poor people.
他们必须帮助穷人。
They'd have to testify about God's word to strangers.
他们必须向陌生人见证上帝的话语。
It would be hard, and hardship can make you turn to God.
这会很困难，而困难可以让你转向上帝。
And they'd see the kind of things that make people engage serious questions about their faith.
他们会看到一些让人们对他们的信仰提出严肃问题的事情。
If they begin doubting because they look in this world and they see hard lives in West Virginia, they see people that are hurting, and they see this and they look up and they think, why would God allow that to happen?
如果他们开始怀疑，因为他们环顾这个世界，看到西弗吉尼亚州的艰苦生活，他们看到人们正在受伤，他们看到这一点，他们抬头思考，为什么上帝会允许这种情况发生？
That's like an example of I think where I'd start seeing more growth.
这就像我认为我会开始看到更多增长的一个例子。
So that was the plan.
这就是计划。
Now, let's meet some of the teenagers.
现在，让我们来认识一下一些青少年。
Kelly Hoover's age 14, long brown hair, braces, lip gloss.
凯莉·胡佛 14 岁，棕色长发，戴着牙套，涂唇彩。
Kelly's outgoing and bright and she's somebody capable of saying exactly what is on her mind.
凯莉性格外向、聪明，她是一个能够准确说出自己想法的人。
Well, I really want to meet the kids there and just-- because I mean, I don't want to sound snotty or anything but-- I'm more privileged than most people.
嗯，我真的很想见到那里的孩子们，只是——因为我的意思是，我不想听起来很势利或者别的什么——我比大多数人更有特权。
I mean, I live in a big house.
我的意思是，我住在一所大房子里。
I have a pool.
我有一个游泳池。
And I don't really see kids a lot who don't have as much as I do.
我真的很少看到像我一样拥有那么多的孩子。
And I really just want to see what it's like, and how living with them is.
我真的只是想看看它是什么样的，以及和他们一起生活是怎样的。
And I really just want to teach them about Jesus, because I don't know how I could live without Him.
我真的只是想教他们关于耶稣的知识，因为我不知道没有他我该如何生活。
And sometimes I think how blessed I was to be born in such a family.
有时我会想，我出生在这样一个家庭是多么幸福。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life.
嗯，来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台，这就是《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, A Teenager's Guide to God, the story of five adults, 11 kids, and six days in West Virginia.
今天我们的节目《青少年的上帝指南》讲述了 5 个成年人、11 个孩子在西弗吉尼亚州度过六天的故事。
Of adults trying to mold the faith of teenagers and things not working out quite as planned.
成年人试图塑造青少年的信仰，但事情并没有按计划进行。
It's an odd fact of religious life in America that in this country founded by Christians, in which a majority of people say they believe in God and identify themselves as Christians, that so many religious Christians feel that they are an oppressed minority.
在美国的宗教生活中，有一个奇怪的事实：在这个由基督徒建立的国家，大多数人都说他们相信上帝并自认是基督徒，但如此多的宗教基督徒却觉得自己是受压迫的少数派。
They say the media doesn't share their values, that secular institutions undermine their beliefs.
他们说媒体不认同他们的价值观，世俗机构破坏了他们的信仰。
And the job of raising Christian children, they'll tell you, is like trying to do God's work from behind enemy lines.
他们会告诉你，抚养基督徒孩子的工作就像在敌后做上帝的工作一样。
Today we are devoting our entire program to the kids that they're struggling to bring up.
今天，我们将整个计划奉献给他们努力抚养的孩子们。
This American Life producer Susan Burton and I spent a week this August recording these teenagers, day and night, throughout their mission trip.
今年八月，《美国生活》制片人苏珊·伯顿和我花了一周的时间，日日夜夜地记录这些青少年的整个宣教之旅。
And we bring you this portrait of what it means to be a Christian teenager in America, for some kids anyway, around the turn of the millennium.
我们为您带来这幅肖像，讲述在世纪之交，对于一些孩子来说，作为一名美国基督徒青少年意味着什么。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Exodus.
第一幕，出埃及记。
The youth group is part of Covenant Presbyterian Church here in Chicago, a city church with lots of members who live out in the suburbs.
这个青年团体是芝加哥圣约长老会的一部分，这是一个城市教堂，有很多成员住在郊区。
A number of their parents were founding members of the church, less than two decades ago.
不到二十年前，他们的许多父母都是教会的创始成员。
These teenagers are 13 to 17.
这些青少年年龄在 13 岁到 17 岁之间。
They all grew up attending Christian schools or homeschools.
他们都是在基督教学校或家庭学校长大的。
Our trip began with a 14-hour drive in two rented vans to West Virginia.
我们的旅程从乘坐两辆租来的货车 14 小时车程到西弗吉尼亚州开始。
Can we hear LFO?
我们能听到 LFO 吗？
Because Ira has never heard it.
因为艾拉从来没有听说过。
Ira, have you heard the summer girls song?
艾拉，你听过夏日少女之歌吗？
Summertime girls?
夏天的女孩们？
Oh, it's so funny.
哦，真有趣。
Where's my bag?
我的包在哪里？
We were barely in the van 10 minutes when Marisa and Kelly asked Dan to play the song that became the unofficial theme song to our trip.
我们刚上车十分钟，玛丽莎和凯利就请丹播放这首歌，这首歌成为我们旅行的非官方主题曲。
It wasn't by Jars of Clay or dc Talk or any of the other Christian pop bands whose CDs we'd brought.
我们带来的 CD 不是 Jars of Clay 或 dc Talk 或任何其他基督教流行乐队的作品。
It was a rap song, by a white, one-hit wonder boy band called LFO.
这是一首说唱歌曲，由一个名为 LFO 的白人单打奇迹男孩乐队创作。
Everybody spent the ride down trying to memorize the lyrics.
每个人都在路上努力记住歌词。
[MUSIC - "SUMMER GIRLS" BY LFO]
[音乐 - LFO 的“夏日女孩”]
Ah!
啊！
I missed it!
我错过了！
I missed the Billy Shakespeare-- that's the-- I wait.
我想念比利莎士比亚——就是这样——我等待。
Sonnets!
十四行诗！
OK, OK, OK -- start it over.
好吧，好吧，好吧——重新开始。
I got it.
我得到了它。
So it's after the Larry Bird.
所以这是在拉里·伯德之后。
What does he say?
他说什么？
Dan is 29, married, with a new baby.
丹今年 29 岁，已婚，并育有一子。
But in the van, he's more like a counselor adored by his campers than youth pastor.
但在车里，他更像是一位受露营者喜爱的辅导员，而不是青年牧师。
The girls strain their necks and try to meet his eyes in the rear-view mirror as they talk, asking what he and one of the other leaders, Dave, were like back in college together at the evocatively named Moody Bible Institute.
女孩们一边说话，一边伸长脖子，试图在后视镜中与他的目光对视，询问他和另一位领袖戴夫在穆迪圣经学院上大学时的情况如何。
Teasing him about the songs he likes, which, as far as they're concerned, are impossibly old-- 10, maybe 15 years.
用他喜欢的歌曲来取笑他，就他们而言，这些歌曲太老了——10年，也许15年。
He tries just as hard as anybody to learn the words to "Summer Girls."
他和其他人一样努力学习《夏日女孩》的歌词。
[SINGING] Macaulay Culkin was home alone.
[唱歌]麦考利·卡尔金独自在家。
[MUSIC - "SUMMER GIRLS" BY LFO]
[音乐 - LFO 的“夏日女孩”]
What is that from?
那是什么来的？
Girl 2 You know, Family Ties?
女孩 2 你知道，家庭关系吗？
I did.
我做到了。
Sometimes.
有时。
And Mallory, and what was that other girl's name?
还有马洛里，另一个女孩叫什么名字？
That's too '80s for me, Arden says, I couldn't watch it.
阿登说，这对我来说太八十年代了，我无法观看。
These girls are the children that the Christian right has in mind when it holds press conferences on what's at stake in America's culture war.
这些女孩是基督教右翼在就美国文化战争的利害关系举行新闻发布会时所想到的孩子。
They are cannon fodder in that war.
他们是那场战争的炮灰。
Just a few years before they were born, a child psychologist named Dr. James Dobson founded a group called Focus on the Family.
就在他们出生前几年，一位名叫詹姆斯·多布森博士的儿童心理学家成立了一个名为“关注家庭”的组织。
It is an enormous religious organization based in Colorado Springs.
它是一个总部位于科罗拉多斯普林斯的巨大宗教组织。
Dobson's genius is that he offers exhaustive, concrete advice on everything from child discipline to movie-going to a generation of parents who are trying to raise their kids in a new way, or rather, in a very old way.
多布森的天才之处在于，他为试图以新方式（或者更确切地说，以一种非常古老的方式）抚养孩子的一代父母提供了从管教孩子到看电影等方方面面的详尽而具体的建议。
As part of that, Dobson has built an entire superstructure to shield young people from Hollywood, from rap music, from the WB.
作为其中的一部分，多布森建立了一个完整的上层建筑，以保护年轻人免受好莱坞、说唱音乐和世界银行的影响。
Focus on the Family publishes an ongoing encyclopedic guide which evaluates pop culture from a Christian perspective for parents.
《关注家庭》正在出版一本百科全书式指南，从基督徒的角度为父母评估流行文化。
In addition, they've created an empire of Christian pop of their own-- original radio dramas and children's videos, books, websites, and several magazines.
此外，他们还创建了自己的基督教流行音乐帝国——原创广播剧和儿童视频、书籍、网站和一些杂志。
It is a remarkably effective social experiment.
这是一项非常有效的社会实验。
These teenagers don't even fight with their parents about what they can watch and listen to.
这些青少年甚至不会与父母争论他们可以看什么、听什么。
At this point, they generally agree that certain films and shows are bad for them.
在这一点上，他们普遍认为某些电影和节目对他们不利。
And if you ask them about any of the TV shows targeted at and beloved by so many of their 14- and 15-year-old peers-- Dawson's, Buffy, Felicity-- you can hear their parents' voices and Dr. Dobson's voice in their replies.
如果你问他们有哪些电视节目是针对许多 14 岁和 15 岁的同龄人而喜爱的，例如《道森》、《巴菲》、《费丽西蒂》，你可以在他们的回答中听到他们父母的声音和多布森博士的声音。
You feel really guilty walking away, that you just totally perverted your mind with all this stuff.
走开时你会感到非常内疚，因为你用这些东西完全扭曲了你的思想。
It's so unrealistic and sick.
这是非常不现实和病态的。
The fact that a boy is sleeping with his teacher, and he's like 15 years old.
事实上，一个男孩正在和他的老师睡觉，而他大约 15 岁。
I mean, and these people are supposed to be 15 and 16 years old.
我的意思是，这些人应该是 15 岁和 16 岁。
And if that was how my life was, I would be dead right now.
如果我的生活就是这样的话，我现在就死了。
Because that's just ridiculous.
因为那太荒谬了。
Everybody is jumping in bed with everyone else and is all switching.
每个人都和其他人一起在床上跳来跳去，并且都在交换。
I mean, by the middle of the series, I was hearing through rumors that so-and-so, who had been with the teacher, is now with this girl, who was actually on depressants.
我的意思是，在该系列的中间，我听到谣言说曾经和老师在一起的某某现在和这个实际上正在服用镇静剂的女孩在一起。
I mean, I have no idea what's going on.
我的意思是，我不知道发生了什么事。
It's Andie, one of the supposed non-viewers pipes up from the back.
这是安迪，一位被认为是非观众的人从后面喊道。
What's so interesting about these girls is the odd mix of Christian and secular pop in their lives.
这些女孩的有趣之处在于她们生活中基督教和世俗流行音乐的奇怪结合。
Despite their Christian schools, despite their carefully monitored TV viewing, they do not seem out of touch.
尽管他们是基督教学校，尽管他们的电视观看受到严格监控，但他们似乎并没有脱离现实。
They're not un-hip.
他们并不不时髦。
And here is the most important thing that they would want you to know about them.
这是他们希望您了解的关于他们的最重要的事情。
They like being Christians.
他们喜欢成为基督徒。
This is Lauren.
这是劳伦。
It's hard for people to understand that we really enjoy this religion.
人们很难理解我们真的喜欢这个宗教。
That us, as teenagers, who are the ones who are out to have fun and whatever, that this is actually something that means something to us, and that we are having fun doing this.
我们，作为青少年，是那些出去玩的人，无论什么，这实际上对我们来说都是有意义的，而且我们这样做很有趣。
As they've gotten older, some of them have taken more steps, carefully measured steps, into the secular world.
随着年龄的增长，他们中的一些人迈出了更多的步伐，小心翼翼地迈向世俗世界。
Ruth and Jessica and Anna go to a public high school, and it isn't that kids at the school are hostile to Christianity, as they were, Dan says, when he was a teenager.
露丝、杰西卡和安娜就读于一所公立高中，丹说，学校里的孩子们并不像他十几岁的时候那样敌视基督教。
These days, the attitude at the school is, if Christianity is your thing, that's fine, just so long as you don't push it onto other people.
如今，学校的态度是，如果你喜欢基督教，那就没问题，只要你不把它强加给别人。
Of all the teenagers in the youth group, the one struggling the most with how to live as a religious person in the secular world is one of the two boys on the trip, Joel.
在青年团的所有青少年中，最困扰如何在世俗世界中作为一名宗教人士生活的人是这次旅行中的两个男孩之一，乔尔。
I've had my share of dealings with kids who've been at public school, and I just don't really like what I see.
我和公立学校的孩子们打过交道，但我真的不喜欢我所看到的。
Joel's 13 and probably the most sheltered person in the group.
乔尔 13 岁，可能是这群人中受庇护最深的人。
His mother's always homeschooled him because, he says, she feels that Christian schools only teach Christian values during Bible class.
他的母亲总是让他在家上学，他说，因为她觉得基督教学校只在圣经课上教授基督教价值观。
She feels it should be enunciated in all the subjects.
她认为应该在所有科目中阐明这一点。
Joel's getting out more and more.
乔尔越来越频繁地外出。
Just this summer, he spent three weeks away from home for the first time in his life.
就在今年夏天，他有生以来第一次离开家度过了三个星期。
And it was with non-Christian kids on a soccer trip to England.
那是和非基督徒孩子一起去英格兰踢足球。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I mean, I learned a lot of stories and jokes and stuff.
我的意思是，我学到了很多故事、笑话之类的东西。
But they were all really nasty and unrepeatable, if that gives you an idea of, you know, what kids learn in public schools.
但它们都非常令人讨厌且不可重复，如果这能让您了解孩子们在公立学校学到了什么。
And it's like, the boys are always talking about sex or things that have to do with sex.
就像，男孩们总是谈论性或与性有关的事情。
And you know, I mean, at this age, yeah, I'm starting to think about that, but still I don't like talking about it.
你知道，我的意思是，在这个年纪，是的，我开始考虑这个问题，但我仍然不喜欢谈论它。
A typical joke?
一个典型的笑话？
The only one that I could drag out of him involved a boy, a girl having her period, a car late at night, a policeman, and a pizza.
我唯一能从他身上拖出来的东西包括一个男孩、一个来月经的女孩、深夜的一辆车、一名警察和一份披萨。
Believe me, you don't want to know.
相信我，你不想知道。
It was just incredible.
这真是令人难以置信。
I mean, they were-- it's just, they were the most-- and they didn't-- but--
我的意思是，他们是——只是，他们是最多的——但他们没有——但是——
And then some of the guys just got a kick out of acting like they were gay or something.
然后有些人因为表现得像同性恋什么的而感到高兴。
On the bus ride they found out that that annoyed me, so they did that the rest of the trip.
在公交车上他们发现这让我很恼火，所以他们在剩下的旅程中就这么做了。
Acting like they were after me, if you know what I mean.
表现得好像他们在追赶我，如果你明白我的意思的话。
They would say stuff in kind of an exaggerated, effeminate kind of accent.
他们说话的口音有些夸张、女性化。
There was one guy who would always wink at me.
有一个人总是对我眨眼。
And I'm like, Matt, knock it off.
我想，马特，别再这样了。
And he's like, oh, come on.
他说，哦，来吧。
You know you want it.
你知道你想要它。
And I'm like, no, I don't.
我想，不，我不喜欢。
Up until this point, you've been homeschooled.
到目前为止，你一直在家里接受教育。
You haven't been around other kids.
你没有和其他孩子在一起过。
And so, was this literally the first time this had happened to you?
那么，这确实是您第一次发生这种情况吗？
Yes.
是的。
Ira Glass Compared with all the other kids on the trip, Joel's family is much more fundamentalist in the way that it incorporates the Bible into their daily lives.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 与旅途中的所有其他孩子相比，乔尔的家人在将圣经融入日常生活的方式上更加原教旨主义。
Whatever benefits he gets from that, the kids whose parents try to balance secular and Christian influences all seem way more at ease in themselves and in the world.
无论他从中得到什么好处，那些父母试图平衡世俗和基督教影响的孩子似乎都对自己和世界更加自在。
[MUSIC - "SUMMER GIRLS" BY LFO]
[音乐 - LFO 的“夏日女孩”]
[SINGING] I like girls that wear Abercrombie and Fitch.
[唱歌] 我喜欢穿 Abercrombie and Fitch 的女孩。
I'd take her if I had one wish.
如果我有一个愿望，我就会带她去。
For the rest of the drive, the girls sing the LFO song every few hours.
在接下来的车程中，女孩们每隔几个小时就会唱一次 LFO 歌曲。
They ruffle through the pages of Teen People , read stories out loud to each other, close the magazine in their laps, flip it over and begin again.
他们翻阅《青少年》的书页，互相大声朗读故事，将杂志合在膝上，翻过来，然后重新开始。
By the time we arrive in West Virginia, this is the first accomplishment of the trip.
当我们到达西弗吉尼亚州时，这是此行的第一个成就。
Nearly everybody has memorized all the words.
几乎每个人都记住了所有单词。
[SINGING] New Kids on the Block had a bunch of hits.
[歌唱] New Kids on the Block 有很多热门歌曲。
Chinese food makes me sick.
中国菜让我恶心。
And I think it's fly when girls stop by for the summer, for the summer.
我认为当女孩们过来过夏天的时候，这真是太棒了。
These are the vessels that God has chosen to come here to help others.
这些是上帝选择来到这里帮助他人的器皿。
[SINGING] I'll take her if I had one wish.
[唱歌] 如果我有一个愿望，我就会带她走。
But she's been gone since that summer, since that summer.
但从那个夏天起，从那个夏天起，她就离开了。
Act Two, Unto the Uttermost Part of the Earth.
第二幕，到地球的最深处。
Everybody stays at an old 4-H camp that had been taken over by the Presbyterian Church of America's national missionary organization, Mission to the World.
每个人都住在一个旧的 4-H 营地，该营地已被美国长老会的全国传教组织“世界宣教”接管。
Kids and adults from all over the country filled the various cabins.
来自全国各地的孩子和大人挤满了各个小屋。
Prayers were held in the campfire circle.
祈祷活动在篝火圈内进行。
It was green, shady, spectacularly pretty, with daily sermons from a tattooed ex-Marine everybody called Pastor Kenny.
那里绿树成荫，绿树成荫，非常漂亮，每天都有纹身的前海军陆战队员布道，大家都叫肯尼牧师。
We've had people come up here for-- this is our sixth summer.
有人来这里——这是我们第六个夏天。
And every year, someone comes with the idea that we're going to win West Virginia over to Jesus this week.
每年，都会有人提出这样的想法：本周我们将把西弗吉尼亚州争取到耶稣手中。
I'm serious.
我是认真的。
Now this is true.
现在这是真的。
I'm here to tell you that's not going to happen.
我来这里是想告诉你这不会发生。
It's not going to happen.
这不会发生。
But if you will open your heart to God this week, God will change your life, and you will never be the same.
但如果本周你向上帝敞开心扉，上帝就会改变你的生活，你将永远不会一样。
Right now there's a boom in church projects like this one, that send people on one-to-two-week mission trips.
目前，像这样的教会项目正在蓬勃发展，这些项目派遣人们进行一到两周的宣教旅行。
This boom crosses all denominations.
这种繁荣跨越了所有教派。
There are no great national estimates, but in this one Presbyterian denomination, not the biggest one, the number of short-term missionaries has more than doubled in just three years.
全国范围内没有具体的估计，但在这个长老会教派（不是最大的教派）中，短期传教士的数量在短短三年内增加了一倍多。
Now it's over 5,000 souls.
现在已经有超过5000个灵魂了。
750 of them came through this West Virginia summer camp this year, and the number's still climbing.
其中 750 人参加了今年西弗吉尼亚州的夏令营，而且这个数字还在不断攀升。
And so, among certain groups of Christian teenagers, going on a mission trip has become a rite of passage.
因此，在某些基督徒青少年群体中，宣教旅行已成为一种仪式。
There are upbeat articles and ads in the Christian teen magazines.
基督教青少年杂志上有乐观的文章和广告。
One of the Chicago girls, Anna, says that of the 11 girls in her class at her old school, a small Christian junior high, all 11 went on mission trips this summer.
芝加哥的一名女孩安娜 (Anna) 说，她原来的学校是一所小型基督教初中，班上 11 名女孩今年夏天全部都参加了宣教旅行。
And when they got to where they were going, they often got a jolt of culture shock.
当他们到达目的地时，他们常常会受到文化冲击。
Our group found itself in a small town fixing up a house that had a beautiful sloping yard, apple trees, two porches.
我们的小组发现自己在一个小镇上修理一栋房子，那里有一个美丽的倾斜院子、苹果树和两个门廊。
Sure, there were trailer homes up the street, but this house was, all and all, not what the kids thought of when they signed up to help the unfortunate.
当然，街上有拖车房，但是这栋房子绝对不是孩子们报名帮助不幸者时所想到的。
One girl said that she had envisioned something more like Cabrini-Green, the high-rise Chicago public housing project.
一名女孩说，她设想的项目更像是芝加哥高层公共住房项目卡布里尼格林 (Cabrini-Green)。
Kelly, the one whose family has a pool, put it this way.
家里有游泳池的凯利是这样说的。
I didn't picture-- I mean, this house is a lot bigger than I thought it'd be.
我没有想象到——我的意思是，这所房子比我想象的要大得多。
I thought it'd be like a rundown little shack.
我以为它会像一个破旧的小棚屋。
I mean, I didn't picture like, rat clothes, you know?
我的意思是，我没有想象过老鼠的衣服，你知道吗？
Rat clothes, did you say?
你说的是老鼠衣服吗？
Kelly Hoover I don't know.
凯莉·胡佛 我不知道。
Like, I don't know, like dirt poor.
就像，我不知道，就像肮脏的穷人。
I mean, but it's nice.
我的意思是，但这很好。
I mean, it definitely needs some painting work, but you know.
我的意思是，它肯定需要一些绘画工作，但你知道。
You might think it would be awkward for the recipients of this charity work.
您可能会认为这对于这项慈善工作的接受者来说会很尴尬。
If nothing else, to have all the neighbors see a team of out-of-state church kids working on their house.
如果不出意外的话，让所有邻居都能看到一队外州教会的孩子正在为他们的房子干活。
But as it turned out, the neighbors saw the kids and thought that perhaps they were from some kind of work-release boot camp kind of program, like they saw on NBC Dateline, they told us.
但事实证明，邻居们看到这些孩子后认为他们可能来自某种工作释放新兵训练营项目，就像他们在 NBC Dateline 上看到的那样，他们告诉我们。
My dad-- not my family, my husband's family-- all worked in a coal mine.
我的父亲——不是我的家人，而是我丈夫的家人——都在煤矿工作。
Pebble Cunningham is 80 years old.
佩布尔·坎宁安已经 80 岁了。
She lives in the house that the Chicago group was painting, along with her daughter, who is in her 50s, and her granddaughter, Angie.
她和她 50 多岁的女儿以及孙女安吉住在芝加哥小组正在粉刷的房子里。
I would expect, for somebody like you, whose family's always worked, is it strange to have these people come in and help you out like this?
我想，对于像你这样的人，家里一直都在工作，让这些人进来帮助你，会不会很奇怪？
It's strange, but it's nice.
这很奇怪，但很好。
Because we have no man-power at all.
因为我们根本没有人力。
We ain't got no men to help us.
我们没有人来帮助我们。
This house was going down fast.
这房子正在快速倒塌。
But I would think that because you've always been a working family, the notion of having people come in and help out and do charity--
但我认为，因为你们一直是一个工薪家庭，所以让人们进来帮忙、做慈善的想法——
First time.
第一次。
But we loved it.
但我们喜欢它。
Because we needed it, you know.
因为我们需要它，你知道。
Now, were you worried, having all these Bible kids come to you, that they'll be trying to preach to you the whole time?
现在，你是否担心，所有这些圣经孩子都来找你，他们会一直试图向你传道？
Nah, let 'em talk about it.
不，让他们谈谈吧。
I [UNINTELLIGIBLE] to look forward to Jesus.
我[无法理解]期待着耶稣。
[UNINTELLIGIBLE] got to look forward to.
[无法理解] 值得期待。
Act Three, Wise as Serpents and Harmless as Doves.
第三幕，像蛇一样聪明，像鸽子一样无害。
Back in Chicago, Dan had said that part of what would bring everybody on the trip closer to God was facing hardship together.
回到芝加哥后，丹曾说过，让旅途中的每个人都更接近上帝的部分原因是共同面对困难。
And, as if on schedule, the difficulties began our first morning.
而且，就像按计划进行一样，困难从我们的第一天早上就开始了。
Give me yellow hair.
给我黄头发。
No, give me-- give me blue hair.
不，给我——给我蓝色的头发。
You've got to give me like-- you've got to give me Scully hair.
你必须给我——你必须给我斯卡利的头发。
The girls sit on the porch of their cabin, bent in concentration with crayons and paper, drawing a get-well card for Dan, with everybody on it.
女孩们坐在小屋的门廊上，全神贯注地用蜡笔和纸为丹画一张康复卡，上面画着每个人。
They also gave him Gatorade.
他们还给了他佳得乐。
Dan's probably going to have to go to the hospital.
丹可能得去医院了。
Yeah, he's really sick.
是啊，他真的病了。
He's like vomiting, barfing, vomiting, violently.
他就像呕吐，呕吐，呕吐，剧烈。
Yeah, maybe the Gatorade will work miracles.
是的，也许佳得乐会创造奇迹。
Miracles can happen.
奇迹可能会发生。
That's like in our devotion.
这就像我们的奉献一样。
Dan has some sort of food poisoning.
丹患有某种食物中毒。
When he goes into the hospital, it sends the four adult leaders on the trip lurching into a dispute over what to do next.
当他走进医院时，旅途中的四位成年领导人陷入了关于下一步该做什么的争论。
And some of Dan's best-laid plans begin to go awry.
丹的一些精心策划的计划开始出现问题。
Take the vacation Bible school.
以假期圣经学校为例。
The original plan for the week was that, every morning for a few hours, the kids would split into two different groups.
这周的最初计划是，每天早上几个小时，孩子们会分成两个不同的小组。
Half would work on painting the Cunninghams' house, half would work on what they call a VBS, which is church-speak for Vacation Bible School, which itself is church-speak for trying to bring the word of God to local kids with games, skits, candy, a brief lesson.
一半人负责粉刷坎宁安家的房子，一半人负责他们所谓的 VBS，这是假期圣经学校的教会用语，它本身就是试图通过游戏、短剧、糖果和简短的课程将上帝的话语带给当地孩子的教会用语。
What do we say?
我们说什么？
Lauren We say, we're doing a club.
劳伦：我们说，我们正在办一个俱乐部。
We're a youth group from Chicago.
我们是来自芝加哥的青年团体。
Anna and Lauren practice what they'll say to round up kids.
安娜和劳伦练习围捕孩子时会说的话。
If you have any kids-- should we ask if they have any kids?
如果你有孩子——我们应该问他们有孩子吗？
Or just say, if you have any kids-- if you're interested--
或者只是说，如果你有孩子——如果你有兴趣——
Feel free to have them come.
请随意让他们来。
Ira Glass But the group got bad advice about where to hold the vacation Bible school.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 但是，该小组对于在哪里举办假期圣经学校却得到了糟糕的建议。
We set up about a 10-minute drive from the Cunningham house in a big, empty public park.
我们在距离坎宁安家约 10 分钟车程的一个空旷的大公园里设立了地点。
And as we went knocking from door to door to advertise the event to kids, it was like a fairy tale, where at each house, the person at the door was slightly more infirm, slightly more elderly, than the person at the house before.
当我们挨家挨户地敲门向孩子们宣传这一活动时，这就像一个童话故事，在每一栋房子里，门口的人都比之前房子里的人稍微弱一些，稍微老一些。
I don't have any children.
我没有孩子。
I don't have any grandchildren here and I don't know anybody that has kids.
我在这里没有孙子，我也不认识任何有孩子的人。
OK.
好的。
Thank you.
谢谢。
Girl 2 Hi, we were wondering if you had any kids that wanted to come to the backyard Bible club at Worthington Park.
女孩 2 嗨，我们想知道您是否有孩子想要来沃辛顿公园后院的圣经俱乐部。
I don't have any.
我没有。
Girl 2 Do you have any kids?
Girl 2 Do you have any kids?
Do you have-- do you have any children?
Do you have-- do you have any children?
And the next day, when we went out to hold the vacation Bible school, with props and costumes and games, with a pre-rehearsed skit and more candy than you might imagine, Karen, Marie, Jessica, Nora, Laura, Kelly, and Arden sat on the edge of an outdoor stage in the park, waiting.
第二天，当我们出去举办假期圣经学校时，有道具、服装和游戏，有预先排练的短剧，还有比你想象的更多的糖果，凯伦、玛丽、杰西卡、诺拉、劳拉、凯利和阿登坐在公园户外舞台的边缘，等待着。
Nobody showed up.
没有人出现。
The closest they came was when a white pickup turned into the parking area.
他们距离最近的一次是当一辆白色皮卡车驶入停车场时。
Look it!
看看吧！
Child!
孩子！
Child?
孩子？
Girl 2 Looks like it could be a family vehicle.
Girl 2 Looks like it could be a family vehicle.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
[插话]
Oh, please!
哦，拜托！
Girl 4 Maybe they have seven kids.
Girl 4 Maybe they have seven kids.
Oh well.
那好吧。
Girl 2 So are we going to come back every day if nobody comes?
女孩2 如果没有人来，我们就每天都回来吗？
Is this going to be like three hours of wasted time every day?
Is this going to be like three hours of wasted time every day?
Two.
二。
Two hours.
两个小时。
Ira Glass One of the group leaders, Nora, gathers them around.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 小组领导者之一诺拉 (Nora) 将他们聚集在周围。
You know, I think that anyone who is led to pray should pray.
You know, I think that anyone who is led to pray should pray.
Chris, can you start us off?
Chris, can you start us off?
And then Laura, can you just finish?
And then Laura, can you just finish?
Thanks.
谢谢。
They bow their heads.
他们低下头。
Here's one of the advantages of Christian life over secular life-- that at any moment of trouble, when somebody might get frustrated or mad, or for that matter, at any turning point in the day, when one thing ends and another's about to begin, our group takes a quiet moment and reflects.
这是基督徒生活相对于世俗生活的优势之一——在任何遇到麻烦的时刻，当某人可能感到沮丧或生气时，或者就此而言，在一天中的任何转折点，当一件事结束而另一件事即将开始时，我们的小组会安静地思考。
Dear Lord, we came here today, and we were really hoping that we'd be able to teach some kids about God, but it didn't work out that way.
Dear Lord, we came here today, and we were really hoping that we'd be able to teach some kids about God, but it didn't work out that way.
And maybe you're just showing us that it's better to go back to the house and work with the family there.
And maybe you're just showing us that it's better to go back to the house and work with the family there.
But please show us some more signs.
But please show us some more signs.
Dear Lord, I want to thank you so much for this day, and that it was nice.
Dear Lord, I want to thank you so much for this day, and that it was nice.
And I just pray that we won't be discouraged that no kids will come.
我只是祈祷我们不会因为没有孩子来而灰心。
And that maybe-- well, you said that everything is worked for the good.
也许——嗯，你说过一切都是为了好的。
And maybe we needed more time on the house, Lord.
And maybe we needed more time on the house, Lord.
And I just pray that whatever happens, that good things will come out of this and we'll all do it for your glory.
And I just pray that whatever happens, that good things will come out of this and we'll all do it for your glory.
Talking with the kids afterwards, I found that the lesson that they took from this experience was not that they could have chosen a better location or done a better job finding kids.
后来与孩子们交谈时，我发现他们从这次经历中得到的教训并不是他们可以选择更好的地点或更好地寻找孩子。
It was not that they could have tried harder.
并不是说他们可以更加努力。
What they all told me simply was, was that this was God's will.
What they all told me simply was, was that this was God's will.
It's a lesson that seems, to a secular person, strangely at odds with the job of raising children.
It's a lesson that seems, to a secular person, strangely at odds with the job of raising children.
It seems, in fact, to be exactly the opposite of what you would want to teach a child.
It seems, in fact, to be exactly the opposite of what you would want to teach a child.
Raising kids is, after all, a process of convincing them that they have to be responsible.
毕竟，抚养孩子是一个让他们相信自己必须负责的过程。
That if something goes wrong, they have to figure out if there was anything they could have done to prevent it.
That if something goes wrong, they have to figure out if there was anything they could have done to prevent it.
I talked to Dan about this.
I talked to Dan about this.
I talked to the other adult leaders about it.
I talked to the other adult leaders about it.
And finally, the only person on the trip who says anything convincing about why this notion of God's will might be a good thing to teach teenagers is Ruth, the oldest girl in the youth group.
最后，旅途中唯一一位能够令人信服地解释为什么上帝旨意的观念对青少年来说可能是一件好事的人是露丝，她是青年组中年龄最大的女孩。
That helps me through the day.
That helps me through the day.
Because you see kids who don't care at all, you know, about Jesus and all of that, and they seem to be doing just fine.
Because you see kids who don't care at all, you know, about Jesus and all of that, and they seem to be doing just fine.
They seem to be doing a lot better.
他们似乎做得好多了。
Because I'm in this really competitive program.
因为我参加了这个竞争非常激烈的项目。
And a lot of the kids are not Christians.
很多孩子都不是基督徒。
And a lot of kids do really well.
很多孩子都做得很好。
One of my classmates, I think, scored a perfect on the ACT.
One of my classmates, I think, scored a perfect on the ACT.
And I didn't.
但我没有。
I mean, I wasn't very close.
I mean, I wasn't very close.
And I may take it over, I may not.
And I may take it over, I may not.
The point is that, I don't know, they seem to be doing better.
The point is that, I don't know, they seem to be doing better.
And sometimes I think, boy, I wish that I could do that well.
有时我想，孩子，我希望我能做得很好。
And I guess it wasn't God's plan for me to do that well.
And I guess it wasn't God's plan for me to do that well.
It just seems like just knowing that, it's not all under our control, and that maybe that God does have a plan, so whatever He chooses-- though I may not like it, and I certainly don't like not coming out on top or not being the best.
似乎只是知道，一切并不在我们的控制之下，也许上帝确实有一个计划，所以无论他选择什么——尽管我可能不喜欢它，而且我当然不喜欢没有脱颖而出或不是最好的。
Act Four, Your Name Is Ointment Poured Forth.
第四幕，你的名字是倒出的香膏。
One great thing about staying in a camp with 130 other Christians, if you're a young Christian girl who has never had a boyfriend, is the much-better-than-in-school chance of meeting a nice, cute, Christian boy.
如果你是一个从未有过男朋友的年轻基督徒女孩，与其他 130 名基督徒一起住在一个营地的一大好处是，你比在学校更有机会遇到一个善良、可爱的基督徒男孩。
Though, of course, camp rules prohibit anything more than having a crush from afar.
当然，营地规则除了禁止远方暗恋之外，禁止任何其他行为。
This turns out not to cramp the style of the Chicago girls, however.
This turns out not to cramp the style of the Chicago girls, however.
A crush from afar is exactly as far as they could handle.
远方的暗恋正是他们所能承受的。
Monday night, after services and after devotions, everybody is milling around the volleyball court in the center of camp.
周一晚上，礼拜和灵修结束后，每个人都在营地中心的排球场上转来转去。
There are boys and girls there.
那里有男孩和女孩。
And one of the adult leaders, Nora, comes down carrying a word game for everybody to play.
其中一位成人领袖诺拉带着一个文字游戏下来供大家玩。
A word game.
文字游戏。
What could be more embarrassing?
还有什么比这更尴尬的呢？
First, Nora comes out.
首先，诺拉出来了。
She's like, anyone up for a game of Boggle?
她说，有人想玩 Boggle 游戏吗？
She comes marching down.
她大步走下来。
These kids start staring at her.
这些孩子开始盯着她看。
And now everyone in our [?
现在我们[？
deal ?] just starts laughing.
交易？]只是开始大笑。
Kelly, who cheerfully describes herself as the most boy crazy of the group, explains that it was Anna, who just didn't care what anyone thought, who spoke up to say that she liked Boggle.
凯利高兴地称自己是这群人中最疯狂的男孩，她解释说，正是安娜，她不在乎别人的想法，大声说她喜欢博格。
Which turned out to be a master stroke.
Which turned out to be a master stroke.
--Boggle.
- 惊奇。
And so then we end up starting to play this Boggle game and other people come by.
然后我们开始玩这个令人惊叹的游戏，其他人也过来了。
Like--
就像——
Shay.
谢伊。
Band.
乐队。
Kelly Hoover First it started with Lauren and Ruthie.
凯莉·胡佛 首先是从劳伦和露丝开始。
They like Jimbo.
他们喜欢金博。
I mean, he's too old, but he's really cute.
我的意思是，他太老了，但他真的很可爱。
Then there is Andy, who Jessica and Anna think is cute.
还有安迪，杰西卡和安娜认为他很可爱。
And then there's Ben who's really-- everyone thinks he's cute.
还有本，每个人都认为他很可爱。
But not-- but they all have their first choice.
但不是——但他们都有自己的第一选择。
But he looks like-- Jessica thinks he looks like an Abercrombie model.
但他看起来像——杰西卡认为他看起来像一个 Abercrombie 模特。
He does.
他做到了。
All right, yes.
好吧，是的。
I am extremely ticklish.
我特别怕痒。
Thank you for reminding me.
谢谢你提醒我。
During the game, a girl came over and started rubbing Ben's shoulders.
比赛期间，一个女孩走过来，开始揉本的肩膀。
His little massage girlfriend came over and was massaging him, and he was like, you know what?
他的小按摩女友走过来给他按摩，他说，你知道吗？
Stop.
停止。
Didn't he get a little aggravated?
他不是有点生气了吗？
Well, he did get a little aggravated.
好吧，他确实有点生气了。
Yes, we did!
是的，我们做到了！
He first-- it was eye contact.
他首先——目光接触。
[INAUDIBLE] Hey, she asked me!
[听不清] 嘿，她问我了！
And so first, we were like, we were playing Boggle.
所以首先，我们就像，我们在玩《Boggle》。
You know how to play.
你知道怎么玩。
You find the words.
你找到的话。
And I was like, oh, I found a word.
我当时想，哦，我找到了一个词。
And he's like, I already found that word.
他说，我已经找到这个词了。
I was like, oh, I'm sorry.
我当时想，哦，对不起。
And so then, at the end of the game, he was telling me how he really stunk at the game.
然后，在比赛结束时，他告诉我他在比赛中表现得多么糟糕。
And that was basically it.
基本上就是这样。
Not very romantic, Kelly admits.
凯利承认，这并不是很浪漫。
But after that, every night after their missionary work, the Chicago girls shower, apply lip gloss, and blow dry their hair straight, so they're ready for the volleyball court after devotions.
但在那之后，每天晚上传教结束后，芝加哥女孩们都会洗澡，涂上唇彩，然后把头发吹直，这样她们就可以在祈祷后前往排球场了。
Joel, who has the most protective parents of anybody in the group, is not indulging any crushy feelings very far on this trip.
乔尔的父母是团队中最保护自己的人，他在这次旅行中并没有沉溺于任何令人沮丧的情绪。
This plan I'm kind of laying off, because my parents-- they're kind of strict on this issue.
我有点放弃这个计划，因为我的父母——他们在这个问题上有点严格。
So like you're not allowed to date until we're dead.
就像我们死之前你不可以约会一样。
Seriously, I'm not allowed to date anybody until they're dead.
说真的，在他们死之前我不可以和任何人约会。
Until they're dead?
直到他们死为止？
Joel Until they're dead.
乔尔 直到他们死为止。
That is not the rule.
这不是规则。
Joel That is too.
乔尔 也是。
I'm not allowed to date.
我不被允许约会。
They're into this new-- this courtship idea where the families, both the families get together, and then the two people get to know each other in the family setting.
他们热衷于这种新的求爱想法，即两个家庭聚在一起，然后两个人在家庭环境中相互了解。
But you know, not going out by ourselves where our parents can't keep track of us.
但你知道，不要自己一个人出去，因为父母无法跟踪我们。
I mean we can sit and talk, you know, with our parents across the room or whatever.
我的意思是我们可以坐在房间对面和我们的父母聊天或者其他什么地方。
And it starts getting farther and farther away until-- as we get older and more responsible and more mature, then it starts getting a little more one on one.
它开始变得越来越远，直到——随着我们年龄的增长，更加负责任和更加成熟，然后它开始变得更加一对一。
As we get more responsible then it's going out to dinner and stuff.
当我们变得更加负责任时，就会出去吃饭之类的事情。
Joel says that he's going through a period of questioning his faith right now.
乔尔说他现在正在经历一段质疑自己信仰的时期。
And the most emotionally charged questions that he's asking have to do with sex, the outright ban on premarital sex.
他提出的最情绪化的问题与性有关，即彻底禁止婚前性行为。
What is a 13-year-old boy supposed to think?
一个13岁的男孩应该怎么想？
Joel says that he's planning on reading all the Biblical references on it so he can understand the reasoning and so he can see for himself if there's any wiggle room in the whole thing.
乔尔说，他计划阅读所有有关它的圣经参考文献，这样他就可以理解其中的推理，这样他就可以亲自看看整个事情是否有任何回旋余地。
He borrows his mom's theological books on hard subjects like this.
他借用了他妈妈关于此类难题的神学书籍。
When producer Susan Burton asks him if he has a Bible verse that's a particular favorite, he pulls a scrap of paper from his wallet.
当制片人苏珊·伯顿问他是否有特别喜欢的圣经经文时，他从钱包里拿出一张纸片。
I have it written down.
我已经把它写下来了。
I always keep it with me.
我总是随身携带它。
My mom gave it to me, actually.
事实上，是我妈妈给我的。
So this is a-- it's a little piece of paper cut out in a circle.
这是一张剪成圆形的小纸片。
Is that your writing?
这是你写的吗？
No, this is my mom's writing.
不，这是我妈妈写的。
She wrote it down for me.
她给我写下来了。
2 Timothy 2:22.
提摩太后书 2:22。
"Flee also youthful lusts.
“也要逃避年轻的情欲。
But pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart." Which basically means, for me, stay away from what I want to do at this time.
但要与那些清心求告主的人追求公义、信心、仁爱、和平。”对我来说，这基本上意味着远离我此时想做的事情。
It was sometime early in the week that Susan and I met Matt [?
这周早些时候的某个时候，苏珊和我遇到了马特[？
Gerkin ?] and Eric [?
格金？]和埃里克[？
Highland.
高地。
?] They saw us standing with our Chicago interviewees, holding our tape recorders and boom mics, and strolled right up.
？]他们看到我们和芝加哥受访者站在一起，拿着录音机和吊杆麦克风，然后径直走了过来。
We were thinking we heard something in the woods here last night.
我们以为昨晚我们在树林里听到了一些声音。
We're investigating it.
我们正在调查此事。
This is just weeks after the movie Blair Witch Project hit theaters.
就在电影《女巫布莱尔》上映几周后。
Matt is 18, Eric's 23, and it becomes clear after some questioning that, in fact, they have no intention of going into the woods.
马特 18 岁，埃里克 23 岁，经过一番询问后可以清楚地看出，事实上他们无意进入树林。
They just said that, trying to get on the radio.
他们只是这么说，试图通过广播收听。
So what really gets on the radio?
那么广播中真正播出的是什么内容呢？
Do you have to do something dramatic to get on the radio?
你必须做一些戏剧性的事情才能上电台吗？
Or you want real life?
或者你想要真实的生活？
We explain that we're doing a documentary story, which means we tell him that he'd have a better chance of getting on the air if he goes through some sort of change over the course of his week of missionary work.
我们解释说，我们正在制作一个纪录片故事，这意味着我们告诉他，如果他在一周的传教工作中经历某种变化，他就有更好的机会上台。
So if we can find something that would really change our lives, and we wanted it documented and broadcasted across the nation, we'd call you guys, and we'd like--
因此，如果我们能找到真正改变我们生活的东西，并且我们希望将其记录下来并在全国范围内广播，我们会打电话给你们，我们希望——
If something happens to you this week that changed your life, you find me, and you'll be on the radio.
如果这周发生在你身上的事情改变了你的生活，你可以找到我，然后你就会出现在广播中。
Really?
真的吗？
Wow.
哇。
So you know what we need to do, is just check in with you every half hour and let you know how we're progressing and how things are happening with us.
所以您知道我们需要做什么，只需每半小时与您联系一次，让您知道我们的进展情况以及我们的情况如何。
Change is bad.
改变是不好的。
What's the name of this show?
这个节目叫什么名字？
Change?
改变？
What's with this change talk?
这次改变谈话是怎么回事？
If we want to change--!
如果我们想改变——！
After that, as you'd expect, we ran into them every single day.
从那以后，正如你所料，我们每天都会遇到他们。
And every single day, they had so much to say to us about all the changes they were going through.
每一天，他们都会向我们讲述他们正在经历的所有变化。
Coming up, how even M&Ms and Starburst can serve the Lord.
接下来，就连 M&M 巧克力豆和 Starburst 巧克力豆也能侍奉上帝。
In a minute, on Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Most weeks on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们节目的大多数星期，我们都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today we are devoting our entire show to just one story about a group of suburban Chicago teenagers on their first church mission trip to West Virginia to fix up the house of a family who needs some help, and to witness for God.
今天，我们整个节目只讲述一个故事，讲述一群芝加哥郊区的青少年第一次前往西弗吉尼亚州进行教会宣教之旅，为一个需要帮助的家庭修理房屋，并为上帝作见证。
We've arrived at Act Five of our show.
我们已经到了节目的第五幕了。
Act Five, The Substance of Things Hoped For.
第五幕，希望之事的实质。
By Tuesday, Dan's feeling better, and one of the first things he does at the work site is drop in on the neighbors.
到了周二，丹感觉好多了，他在工作现场做的第一件事就是拜访邻居。
Crystal and Paula.
克里斯特尔和保拉。
Dan Adamson And this is Marisa.
丹·亚当森 这是玛丽莎。
Hi.
你好。
Ira Glass When Dan came out during the winter to see the house that they would be fixing up, he met these teenage girls.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 当丹在冬天出来看看他们要修缮的房子时，他遇到了这些十几岁的女孩。
Back then, one of them, Crystal, said the month that Dan was bringing the group out was going to be the same month as her birthday, and Dan came back prepared.
当时，其中一位克里斯托（Crystal）说丹带乐队出去的那个月将是她的生日，丹回来时做好了准备。
Well, are we going to celebrate the birthday?
嗯，我们要庆祝生日吗？
You said we were going to celebrate when we came here.
你说我们来这里时要庆祝。
His accent migrates below the Mason-Dixon as he explains.
正如他解释的那样，他的口音迁移到了梅森-迪克森口音以下。
We actually have a little present for you.
我们实际上为您准备了一份小礼物。
Because we knew it was going to be your birthday, so one of the girls went out and got a little present for you.
因为我们知道今天是你的生日，所以其中一个女孩出去给你买了一份小礼物。
So.
所以。
Well, if you guys ever get bored and want to come over there, there's a bunch of people.
好吧，如果你们感到无聊并想去那里的话，那里有很多人。
We're going to be here all week.
我们整个星期都会待在这里。
We'd love to talk to you.
我们很乐意与您交谈。
We got some candy and stuff.
我们得到了一些糖果和东西。
Introduce yourself to them.
向他们介绍你自己。
And if you want to come by, we're going to be eating lunch.
如果你想过来，我们就去吃午饭。
What time do we eat lunch?
我们什么时候吃午饭？
Like 12:00.
比如 12:00。
Dan Adamson 12:00.
丹·亚当森 12:00。
We got some-- you can eat with us.
我们有一些——你可以和我们一起吃。
We've got some candy and food and drinks.
我们有一些糖果、食物和饮料。
Back next door, everybody works on the Cunninghams' house.
回到隔壁，每个人都在坎宁安家工作。
Scraping off the old paint, rolling on the new, trimming back bushes, climbing up ladders.
刮掉旧油漆，在新油漆上打滚，修剪灌木丛，爬上梯子。
Everybody dressed in surgical scrubs, those blue-green cotton pajamas that you see the doctors wear on ER.
每个人都穿着手术服，也就是你在急诊室看到的医生穿的蓝绿色棉质睡衣。
That is, if your faith allows you to watch ER.
也就是说，如果你的信仰允许你观看《急诊室》。
They're light, they're disposable, and they let you call each other doctor all day long.
它们很轻，是一次性的，而且可以让你整天互相称呼对方为医生。
The work goes quickly.
工作进展得很快。
At some point, to dislodge some ancient paint off aluminum siding, the adults drag in an industrial power washer that they warn the kids about so frighteningly, some get sort of spooked.
在某些时候，为了去除铝壁板上的一些古老油漆，大人们拖着一台工业电动洗衣机，他们警告孩子们要小心，有些人有点害怕。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I'm afraid to use the power hose thing.
我害怕使用电源软管。
Because I feel like I'm going to kill somebody.
因为我感觉我要杀人了。
And I mean seriously kill somebody.
我的意思是认真地杀人。
Lindsay stands in line, deciding if she'll take a turn.
琳赛站在队列中，决定是否轮流。
I don't want to see it.
我不想看到它。
Ira Glass Once the power washer gets going, Ruth is the first one to use it to actually remove paint.
Ira Glass 电动清洗机启动后，露丝是第一个使用它来实际去除油漆的人。
It's fun, yeah.
很有趣，是的。
I'm the oldest, so I like the power.
我是最年长的，所以我喜欢力量。
Among an earlier generation of Christian women, or among more fundamentalist Christian women, there might be some question about whether it is a woman's place to run the power tools in the family.
在早期一代的基督教女性中，或者在更原教旨主义的基督教女性中，可能存在一些关于女性是否应该掌管家庭权力的问题。
This question is so irrelevant to these Presbyterian teenagers that when I bring it up they literally do not know what I'm talking about.
这个问题与这些长老会青少年无关，当我提出这个问题时，他们根本不知道我在说什么。
While they all work on the house, every now and then somebody from the Cunningham family is spotted.
当他们都在修房子的时候，时不时就会发现坎宁安一家的人。
And every single time, it is like the experience that you have when you spot a minor celebrity.
每一次，这就像你看到一个小名人时的经历。
Your heart leaps.
你的心狂跳起来。
It's all you can think about.
这就是你能想到的一切。
And then, if you're brave enough to stroll over and chat, you try to play it casual.
然后，如果你有足够的勇气漫步过来聊天，你可以尝试表现得很随意。
Like, oh, we're just talking here.
就像，哦，我们只是在这里说话。
I'm relaxed.
我很放松。
It's just like talking to anybody.
就像和任何人说话一样。
After all, they are here to minister to this family.
毕竟，他们来这里是为了照顾这个家庭。
When the Cunninghams' daughter, Angie, comes out on the porch one afternoon, Kelly and Jessica do their best to be friendly.
一天下午，当坎宁安夫妇的女儿安吉出现在门廊上时，凯利和杰西卡尽力表现得友好。
And for once, Kelly's mother might feel like she did the right thing buying her daughter all those Backstreet Boy CDs.
这一次，凯利的母亲可能觉得她给女儿买了所有这些后街男孩 CD 是正确的事情。
Because now they get the chance to talk Backstreet Boys on the Lord's behalf.
因为现在他们有机会代表上帝谈论后街男孩。
Paula and Crystal, the girls from next door, bring over a Backstreet Boys poster.
隔壁的女孩宝拉和克里斯托带来了一张后街男孩的海报。
Angie owns a t-shirt from the '98 tour.
安吉拥有一件 98 年巡演的 T 恤。
Angie is actually in her late 20s.
安吉实际上已经20多岁了。
She has a small disability in one of her arms.
她的一只手臂有轻微残疾。
It's shorter than the other and her hand on that arm isn't fully functional.
它比另一只短，而且她那只手臂上的手不能完全发挥作用。
Most days she stays at home, watching TV.
大多数时候她都呆在家里看电视。
It is inherently difficult for the Chicago teenagers to figure out how to interact with, even how to react to, somebody from such a different background.
对于芝加哥的青少年来说，弄清楚如何与来自如此不同背景的人互动，甚至如何做出反应，本身就很困难。
And there's a certain amount of raw confusion as they feel their way forward.
当他们摸索前进的道路时，存在一定程度的原始困惑。
Every night back at camp, after prayers and devotionals, they all debrief about the day.
每天晚上回到营地，祈祷和灵修之后，他们都会汇报这一天的情况。
So anyone have any thoughts about today?
那么有人对今天有什么想法吗？
Positive, negative feedback?
正反馈、负反馈？
Anything?
任何事物？
I thought, at first, it was kind of hard to talk to Angie, just because, I mean, I didn't like staring.
我想，一开始，和安吉说话有点困难，只是因为，我的意思是，我不喜欢盯着看。
I mean, I didn't want to.
我的意思是，我不想。
And it's not just because of her arm.
这不仅仅是因为她的手臂。
It's because it is hard to understand her, and she didn't really get what you said sometimes.
因为她很难理解，有时她并没有真正听懂你说的话。
But at first I was kind of doing it out of pity for her, and then that didn't feel right, you know?
但一开始我这样做是出于对她的怜悯，然后感觉不对，你知道吗？
I didn't want to do it out of pity for her.
出于对她的怜悯，我不想这么做。
And I don't know if it's wrong or right to do it out of pity for her.
而且我不知道出于对她的怜悯而这样做是错还是对。
But that's how I'm doing it.
但我就是这么做的。
And I don't know if that's right.
我不知道这是否正确。
I just-- and it makes me so happy when I see her smile.
我只是——当我看到她微笑时，我感到非常高兴。
And it's just-- I guess I don't know if it's right or wrong to do it out of pity.
只是——我想我不知道出于怜悯而这样做是对还是错。
I know I keep asking that.
我知道我一直在问这个问题。
So someone answer.
所以有人回答。
Nobody does for a while, until later, when Dan says the perfect thing, that when Jesus walked the earth, he didn't feel pity for the sick and handicapped.
有一段时间没有人这样做，直到后来，丹说了一句完美的话，即当耶稣行走在地球上时，他并没有怜悯病人和残疾人。
He felt compassion, empathy.
他感到同情、同情。
Lauren offers this optimistic thought.
劳伦提出了这个乐观的想法。
She obviously has a lot of problems with her deformity and whatever.
她显然有很多关于她的畸形和其他问题。
And I was just thinking, in heaven, she's not going to have any deformity.
我只是想，在天堂，她不会有任何畸形。
And if we can reach her that way--
如果我们能通过这种方式联系到她——
Over and over, Dan tells the group that their main purpose in coming to West Virginia is to minister to the family whose house they're working on.
丹一遍又一遍地告诉大家，他们来到西弗吉尼亚州的主要目的是为他们正在建造的房子的家庭服务。
Getting to know Angie is important, he says.
他说，了解安吉很重要。
Remember the names.
记住名字。
I know I need it.
我知道我需要它。
I kept telling Carol, Carol, what were their names again?
我一直告诉卡罗尔，卡罗尔，他们叫什么名字？
Really, they love that they're going to know their names.
真的，他们喜欢知道自己的名字。
I thought it was great you guys were showing your boy bands.
我觉得你们展示你们的男孩乐队真是太棒了。
I thought that was great.
我觉得那太好了。
I thought that was great.
我觉得那太好了。
And they say they go to that church.
他们说他们去了那个教堂。
I asked them if they have youth group events and they said they've done a couple youth group events.
我问他们是否有青年团体活动，他们说他们已经举办过几次青年团体活动。
So I think, you know, if the timing is right, I think you have a good opportunity to just ask them, well, what do you think about God?
所以我想，如果时机合适的话，我想你有一个很好的机会去问他们，你对上帝有什么看法？
I mean, I don't think it would be awkward at all.
我的意思是，我不认为这会很尴尬。
I just think I would encourage you, and be praying about it, that if you feel like the motivation is there, man, just plant a seed.
我只是想我会鼓励你，并为此祈祷，如果你觉得有动力，伙计，就种下一颗种子。
Just see what happens, and maybe you're going to go with it.
看看会发生什么，也许你就会接受它。
Listening to all this, I imagine how disturbed Angie and Crystal and Paula might be if they overheard all the scheming of how they'll be befriended.
听着这一切，我想象如果安吉、克里斯托和宝拉无意中听到了所有关于如何成为朋友的阴谋，他们会感到多么不安。
From their point of view, after all, their interaction with the Chicago girls is as simple as, they seem sort of cool.
毕竟，从她们的角度来看，她们与芝加哥女孩的互动很简单，她们看起来有点酷。
They like them.
他们喜欢他们。
But missionary work is, at some level, like any sales work.
但在某种程度上，传教工作就像任何销售工作一样。
There's no way to do it without discussing some sort of sales strategy.
如果不讨论某种销售策略，就无法做到这一点。
All of these evening sessions end with prayer, in which anybody who wants to say something simply speaks up.
所有这些晚间会议都以祈祷结束，任何想要说些什么的人都可以直接发言。
And a lot of the prayers are about Angie, and the two neighbors, Crystal and Paula.
很多祈祷都是关于安吉和两个邻居克里斯托和保拉。
Kelly was among those offering a prayer.
凯利是祈祷者之一。
I just pray that tomorrow we'd really get to talk to Mrs. Cunningham and Angela and just really be a witness for you, Lord.
我只是祈祷明天我们能真正与坎宁安夫人和安吉拉交谈，并真正成为您的见证人，主啊。
I especially pray for Angela, and just help us to ask the right questions, and to think of things to say and talk about with her.
我特别为安吉拉祈祷，帮助我们提出正确的问题，并思考要与她说和谈论的事情。
And to find out exactly what makes her tick inside and what makes her special.
并找出到底是什么让她内心兴奋以及是什么让她与众不同。
Pray for Angela, that she'll just really get to know us.
为安吉拉祈祷，她会真正了解我们。
That we won't be like every other group and that we'll just really, really get to know her as a really good friend.
我们不会像其他团体一样，我们会真正、真正地了解她，把她当作一个真正的好朋友。
And from there, everybody headed to the volleyball court, where-- I am sorry to report-- the Chicagoans lost.
从那里，每个人都前往排球场，在那里——我很遗憾地报告——芝加哥人输了。
Lauren's second serve went straight to the guy she sort of had a crush on, and he spiked it like he didn't even know she existed.
劳伦的第二个发球直接传给了她暗恋的那个人，而他的扣球就像他根本不知道她的存在一样。
Come on, Lindsay!
来吧，林赛！
Ira Glass Susan, meanwhile, is watching the volleyball game from the sidelines when those two guys, Matt and Eric, who want to be on the radio, show right up.
与此同时，艾拉·格拉斯·苏珊正在场边观看排球比赛，这时想要上广播的马特和埃里克这两个家伙出现了。
All right, the game is getting very exciting at this point.
好吧，游戏现在已经非常精彩了。
Yeah, why don't you guys narrate the rest of the game for me, OK?
是啊，你们为什么不为我讲述游戏的其余部分，好吗？
All right.
好的。
It has been-- [INTERPOSING VOICES].
一直是——[插入声音]。
Ball returned to the Chicago team and Chicago returns with a bunt over the net!
鲍尔回到芝加哥队，芝加哥队以一记短打过网归来！
It is returned!
它被退回了！
And it is on!
它已经启动了！
Chicago has done it!
芝加哥做到了！
Oh!
哦！
[UNINTELLIGIBLE]
[无法理解]
Afterwards, naturally, they insist that-- guess what?-- this has changed them.
之后，他们自然地坚持认为——你猜怎么着？——这改变了他们。
This game just now has made us appreciate volleyball even less than we ever did before.
刚才的这场比赛，让我们对排球的欣赏比以往任何时候都少了。
--on the American volleyball team.
——关于美国排球队。
I'm going to be the official spiker.
我将成为正式主攻手。
The evening ended the way every other evening did on the trip.
这个晚上的结束方式与旅途中其他每个晚上的结束方式一样。
In the cabin, the Chicago crew sang a doxology and then one other song.
在机舱里，芝加哥的工作人员唱了一首赞美诗，然后唱了另一首歌。
[SINGING] When I say that I want it that way.
[唱歌] 当我说我想要那样的时候。
The Backstreet Boys, "Tell Me Why."
后街男孩“告诉我为什么”。
[SINGING] Tell me why, ain't nothin' but a heartache.
[唱歌]告诉我为什么，除了心痛之外什么也没有。
Tell me why.
告诉我为什么。
Ain't nothin' but a mistake--
没什么，只是一个错误——
Act Six, The Evidence of Things Not Seen.
第六幕，未见之事的证据。
Well, if any of your buddies live around here that didn't get candy, you let us know and we'll get them some.
好吧，如果你的朋友住在附近没有得到糖果，请告诉我们，我们会给他们一些。
This is Dan, trying to attract kids to vacation Bible school, literally by walking down the street and passing out handfuls of candy.
这是丹，他试图通过走在街上分发一把糖果来吸引孩子们去度假圣经学校。
Which turns out to be surprisingly effective.
事实证明这非常有效。
Is this your brother?
这是你弟弟吗？
You got some candy, too, Christopher?
你也有糖果吗，克里斯托弗？
Excellent.
出色的。
The idea is give up on their first location where nobody showed up for Bible school.
他们的想法是放弃他们第一个没有人去圣经学校的地点。
Just do it around the corner from the house they're painting.
只需在他们正在粉刷的房子的拐角处进行即可。
And what clinched the whole deal, the two teenage girls from next door, Crystal and Paula, took Dan and the Chicago kids from door to door, rounding up prospects.
最终促成整个交易的是，隔壁的两个十几岁的女孩克里斯托和保拉带着丹和芝加哥的孩子们挨家挨户地寻找潜在客户。
In all, about a dozen kids showed up Thursday morning for games, t-shirt painting, and a lesson from the Bible presented in the form of a skit.
周四早上，大约有十几个孩子来参加游戏、T 恤绘画以及以短剧形式呈现的圣经课程。
So let's everyone close their eyes and we're going to pray.
所以让我们每个人都闭上眼睛祈祷。
God, we thank you for this day.
天哪，我们为这一天感谢你。
We thank you for everyone that made it here today.
我们感谢今天来到这里的所有人。
And I pray that we can have a fun time now, we can learn through your skit, and then we could also enjoy doing our craft and playing some more games, and having a snack.
我祈祷我们现在可以玩得很开心，我们可以通过你的小品学习，然后我们也可以享受做我们的手工，玩更多的游戏，吃点零食。
In your precious name, amen.
以你宝贵的名，阿门。
Now, with no further ado--
现在，废话不多说——
The whole Bible school turns out to be really fun, for the West Virginia kids and the Chicago ones, too.
整个圣经学校对西弗吉尼亚州和芝加哥的孩子来说都非常有趣。
The games go over great.
比赛进行得很顺利。
The crafts absorb everybody.
手工艺吸引了每个人。
Some of the kids clearly have hard lives and are excited at all the attention they're getting.
有些孩子显然过着艰难的生活，但他们对得到的关注感到兴奋。
The only thing lacking is nonbelievers.
唯一缺少的是不信教的人。
All the kids say they go to church.
所有的孩子都说他们去教堂。
When it comes time to make beaded faith bracelets, they already know what all the beads stand for.
当制作串珠信仰手链时，他们已经知道所有珠子代表什么。
During Dan's homily, most of the kids know the Bible stories he tells.
在丹的讲道中，大多数孩子都知道他讲的圣经故事。
You guys know the story about the Red Sea, though, right?
你们都知道红海的故事，对吧？
Well, here's a good story about the Red Sea.
嗯，这是一个关于红海的好故事。
Right, tapped the water and what happened?
对了，敲开水，发生了什么？
It split.
它分裂了。
Ira Glass Later, Carol and Marisa are kneeling in the grass doing Bible study when Angie and Crystal just walk right up to them.
艾拉·格拉斯 后来，卡罗尔和玛丽莎跪在草地上学习圣经，这时安吉和克里斯托径直朝他们走来。
This is pretty much a situation that any missionary would regard as ideal.
这几乎是任何传教士都会认为的理想情况。
And, having no choice, as if a greater plan is, in fact, at work, the Chicagoans get down to the hardcore work of talking about religion.
而且，芝加哥人别无选择，仿佛有一个更大的计划实际上正在发挥作用，他们开始认真讨论宗教。
Crystal goes home to get her Bible.
克里斯托回家取她的圣经。
One of the adult leaders, Carol, does most of the talking, with Jessica and Kelly and Marisa piping in from time to time.
其中一位成年领袖卡罗尔负责大部分讲话，杰西卡、凯利和玛丽莎不时插话。
Does Paula have a Bible, too, that she reads?
宝拉也有她读的圣经吗？
Yeah?
是的？
So that's interesting that your school gave you a Bible.
有趣的是，你的学校给了你一本圣经。
Is it like-- [INTERPOSING VOICES] a religious school?
它像——[插话]一所宗教学校吗？
Your school did it, too.
你们学校也这么做了。
Is it a religious school?
这是一所宗教学校吗？
Do they talk about God at school?
他们在学校谈论上帝吗？
No. Carol No?
不，卡罗尔 不？
They just gave you a Bible?
他们刚刚给了你一本圣经？
That's kind of cool.
这有点酷。
Yeah, if any of the public schools gave us a Bible in Chicago, they'd be in trouble.
是的，如果芝加哥的任何一所公立学校给我们一本圣经，他们就会有麻烦了。
They're not allowed to do that.
他们不被允许这样做。
During breaks, all the girls chat happily with the neighborhood kids.
课间休息时，所有的女孩都和邻居的孩子们愉快地聊天。
And later, back at camp, Dan congratulated them all.
后来，回到营地，丹向他们所有人表示祝贺。
You guys did so well today.
你们今天表现得真好。
I'm so proud of you, of how you guys were.
我为你们感到骄傲，为你们的表现感到骄傲。
All of you just seemed to-- really, when you saw them, you were very friendly.
你们所有人看起来——真的，当你们看到他们时，你们都非常友好。
With Paula, Crystal, and with Angie.
与保拉、克里斯托和安吉。
Thank you so much.
太感谢了。
And let's keep that up tomorrow.
明天我们继续这样。
This is a great-- I mean, I would say that, of all the people, including all the VBS kids that we've had, the most seeds that we've been planting have been with those three girls.
这真是太棒了——我的意思是，我想说，在所有人中，包括我们拥有的所有 VBS 孩子中，我们播下的最多的种子就是这三个女孩。
It had been Dan's hope that on this trip, the group's faith would deepen.
丹希望通过这次旅行，大家的信仰能够加深。
That they would make a step toward having a faith that was independent of what their parents taught them.
他们将朝着拥有独立于父母教给他们的信仰的方向迈出一步。
This would partly happen through service, by helping others, and partly by being forced to articulate their faith to others.
这部分是通过服务、帮助他人来实现的，部分是通过被迫向他人表达他们的信仰来实现的。
And it would happen by facing hardship on the trip and turning to God to help with the difficulties.
这需要通过在旅途中面对困难并转向上帝来帮助解决困难来实现。
But the fact is the hardships on the trip turned out to be not very hard at all, and most of them only had to articulate their faith to six-year-olds, who had mostly already accepted Jesus into their hearts.
但事实证明，旅途中的艰辛一点也不难，他们中的大多数人只需要向六岁的孩子阐明自己的信仰，而这些孩子大多已经接受了耶稣。
This was not enough to launch a round of soul searching and prayer.
这还不足以发起一轮反省和祈祷。
Instead, what happened was that the kids who didn't doubt their faith at home didn't doubt it here either.
相反，发生的事情是，那些在家里不怀疑自己信仰的孩子在这里也不会怀疑。
And the kids who had all sorts of questions at home continued to gnaw at those questions on the mission trip.
那些在家里有各种各样问题的孩子们在宣教之旅中继续思考这些问题。
The teenager with the most doubts was Arden, who mostly kept her doubts to herself.
疑惑最多的青少年是阿登，她大多把自己的疑虑都藏在心里。
Which is really, it's frustrating.
这确实令人沮丧。
It makes it hard.
这让事情变得困难。
To be-- wanting to be part of the group, and being part of the group, and yet knowing that in some way you're not part of the group because you question what the group is about.
想要成为团队的一部分，并且成为团队的一部分，但知道在某种程度上你不是团队的一部分，因为你质疑团队的意义。
Arden holds a special symbolic place in her church.
雅顿在她的教堂中占有特殊的象征地位。
She was the first baby born to the young congregation, 15 years ago.
15 年前，她是这个年轻会众出生的第一个孩子。
Whenever the kids in church formed their own ad hoc church youth groups, Arden was always president.
每当教堂里的孩子们组建自己的临时教会青年团体时，雅顿总是担任主席。
But about a year ago, even this carefully raised girl started to grapple with doubt.
但大约一年前，即使是这个精心抚养的女孩也开始陷入怀疑。
And her doubt began, not because of something she saw on television, not because of peer pressure from attractive, cigarette-smoking, alcohol-drinking, pornographic-website-using fans of the South Park movie.
她的怀疑开始了，不是因为她在电视上看到的东西，也不是因为来自南方公园电影的有吸引力的、抽烟的、喝酒的、使用色情网站的粉丝的同侪压力。
No. Her doubts began at church camp.
不，她的疑虑是从教堂营地开始的。
She was there for six weeks, at a program called Discipleship Training, which sent her and five girls that she'd never met before into the woods for two weeks of camping and hiking and canoeing together.
她在那里呆了六周，参加一个名为“门徒培训”的项目，该项目让她和五个她以前从未见过的女孩到树林里露营、徒步旅行和划独木舟，为期两周。
And we were really tight.
我们真的很紧张。
I mean, we just did everything together.
我的意思是，我们只是一起做了所有事情。
We prayed and we would sing songs together at night.
我们祈祷，晚上一起唱歌。
And when we'd get lost, I mean, the first thing we'd do would be like, it's time to pray.
我的意思是，当我们迷路时，我们要做的第一件事就是，是时候祈祷了。
And when we got to Lake Superior at midnight, we were like, it's time to pray.
当我们午夜到达苏必利尔湖时，我们想，是时候祈祷了。
We were just really-- I mean, it was a wonderful experience.
我们真的——我的意思是，这是一次美妙的经历。
I had a lot of fun.
我玩得很开心。
And if you had to describe your feelings about God during those first two weeks, how would you describe Him?
如果你必须描述前两周你对上帝的感受，你会如何描述他？
He was incredibly real.
他非常真实。
I felt like He was there.
我感觉他就在那里。
That was the only way I could describe it, is that He was really there for me.
这是我能描述的唯一方式，就是他真的在我身边。
After two weeks, Arden and her five new friends came in from the woods to rejoin the rest of the camp.
两周后，阿登和她的五个新朋友从树林里回来，重新加入营地的其他成员。
My friends suddenly changed, like who I'd thought they were-- they suddenly became different.
我的朋友突然变了，就像我想象的那样——他们突然变得不一样了。
And I don't think-- I think it was just that I hadn't seen them with other people besides our group.
我不认为——我认为这只是因为我没有看到他们和我们团队以外的其他人在一起。
And they were-- they would-- it all became-- you know, there was the popular one, and then there was the really helpful one, and there was the boy chaser.
他们——他们会——一切都变成了——你知道，有受欢迎的，然后有真正有帮助的，还有男孩追逐者。
I mean, it was just like, I didn't know how to handle it.
我的意思是，就像，我不知道如何处理它。
I was still hoping to have that intimate friendship among the five of us.
我仍然希望我们五个人之间能有那种亲密的友谊。
And I thought I was going to die.
我以为我要死了。
I just couldn't take it.
我就是受不了。
And then I sort of dropped into my spiritual low.
然后我的精神就陷入了低谷。
And so I started having trouble praying.
所以我开始在祷告上遇到困难。
I didn't want to pray.
我不想祈祷。
And I was starting go, well, you know, what's up with this?
我开始思考，嗯，你知道，这是怎么回事？
What is real?
什么是真实的？
If I can't even-- when I feel like God's there, and then I suddenly feel like He's not, where is He this whole time?
如果我不能——当我感觉上帝在那里，然后我突然感觉他不在，那么他一直在哪里？
You know?
你知道？
So that's when I really started to question.
所以从那时起我才真正开始质疑。
And I had all these doubts and I felt like God wasn't anywhere near me at all and He didn't care.
我有所有这些怀疑，我觉得上帝根本不在我附近，他不在乎。
One of the traditions in Christianity is that great faith often comes only after great doubt.
基督教的传统之一是，伟大的信仰往往只有在巨大的怀疑之后才会出现。
The New Testament is filled with one story after another like this.
新约圣经中充满了这样一个又一个的故事。
Even Jesus grapples with his conscience in the desert before he begins his ministry.
就连耶稣在开始传道之前也在沙漠中与自己的良心作斗争。
He prays again in Gethsemane.
他再次在客西马尼园祈祷。
And listening to Arden, I begin to wonder if all new believers have to go through that trial in the desert themselves if they're going to arrive at a mature faith.
听了雅顿的讲话，我开始怀疑，如果所有新信徒想要获得成熟的信仰，他们是否都必须亲自经历沙漠中的考验。
This is what Dan and a number of the parents believe will keep Christianity as part of these teenagers' lives as they grow older.
丹和一些家长相信，随着年龄的增长，基督教将成为这些青少年生活的一部分。
But it is enormously difficult to go through this kind of doubt.
但要克服这种怀疑是非常困难的。
It makes Arden unhappy.
这让阿登不高兴。
She says she does not want another big spiritual moment, feeling close to God, like she had in the woods.
她说她不想再经历一次重大的精神时刻，感觉与上帝很亲近，就像她在树林里那样。
I don't trust that anymore.
我不再相信那个了。
I don't trust, you know, just your emotions, and where they may take you.
你知道，我不相信你的情绪，也不相信它们会带你去往何方。
And at the same time, she knows that without a pure leap of faith, she's nowhere.
与此同时，她知道，如果没有纯粹的信仰飞跃，她将一事无成。
That's the thing that worries me the most, is that I may never find what I'm looking for.
这是我最担心的事情，就是我可能永远找不到我想要的东西。
I may never find out who God is.
我可能永远不会知道神是谁。
And that worries me.
这让我很担心。
Like sometimes I think, oh my gosh, you know, because I don't know where I would be.
就像有时我想，天哪，你知道，因为我不知道我会在哪里。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I'd have to start all over again.
我必须重新开始。
Abraham our father answered his Hineni when the Lord commanded him to offer up his son.
当主命令我们的父亲亚伯拉罕献上他的儿子时，他回答了他的希尼尼。
He took the wood and fire and journeyed to Moriah, and there he built an altar to complete what he'd begun.
他带着木头和火前往摩利亚，在那里建造了一座祭坛来完成他开始的事情。
Pastor Kenny actually broke into song during his sermon on Thursday.
肯尼牧师在周四的布道中实际上开始唱歌。
The subject of the sermon was how the Lord calls certain people to serve him, and how when he does, they usually do not want to go.
讲道的主题是主如何呼召某些人来事奉他，以及当他这样做时，他们通常不愿意去。
We hear the story of Abraham being called to slay Isaac, of Moses being ordered to go to Pharaoh.
我们听到亚伯拉罕被召唤去杀死以撒的故事，摩西被命令去见法老的故事。
Kenny talks from the heart about the moment he felt he was called to preach.
肯尼发自内心地讲述了他感到自己被召唤去传教的那一刻。
And then he asks all of us to look into our own hearts.
然后他要求我们所有人审视自己的内心。
Has God been speaking to us during our week in West Virginia?
在西弗吉尼亚州的这一周里，上帝有没有对我们说话？
Maybe God is speaking to you.
也许上帝正在对你说话。
That you want to be a missionary.
你想成为一名传教士。
Now over here under my Bible, I've got a legal pad.
现在，在我的《圣经》下面，我有一本便笺簿。
And if you think that God is calling you to serve Him, maybe that's what God wants you to do.
如果你认为神正在呼召你事奉他，也许这就是神希望你做的。
I'm just going to leave this pad out here and I want you to just come put your name on it.
我只是把这个便签本留在这里，我希望你过来把你的名字写在上面。
I'm not going to sell your name to any list.
我不会把你的名字卖给任何名单。
I'm not going to turn it in to Mission to the World.
我不会把它交给世界使命组织。
This is between-- I think you need to do that.
这是——我认为你需要这样做。
You need to make that commitment, if God is calling you.
如果神在呼召你，你就需要做出这样的承诺。
After the service ends, a few people mill around.
仪式结束后，有几个人在周围闲逛。
The Chicago teenagers head off to the cabins, except for Joel, who walks over to the legal pad, picks it up, and writes his name.
芝加哥的青少年们前往小屋，除了乔尔，他走到记事簿前，拿起它，写下了自己的名字。
I catch up with him a few minutes later.
几分钟后我追上了他。
So I saw what you just did.
所以我看到了你刚才所做的事情。
Joel Yeah, I signed the list.
乔尔 是的，我在名单上签了名。
It was-- for me-- to me-- it was the most powerful sermon I've ever heard.
对我来说，这是我听过的最有力的布道。
Joel tells me he now knows what he wants to do with his life.
乔尔告诉我，他现在知道自己想做什么。
Although parts of his faith clearly still chafe at him, although he's always saying how hard it is for him to talk to people, although he still has a long way to go before he's actually at ease in the bigger secular world, he's the one member of the youth group who decided that he wants to head out into that world, as a missionary teaching in another country.
尽管他的部分信仰显然仍然对他感到恼火，尽管他总是说与人交谈对他来说是多么困难，尽管他在真正在更大的世俗世界中感到自在之前还有很长的路要走，但他是青年团体中决定前往那个世界的成员之一，在另一个国家担任传教士。
When Kenny was praying, I was just like, man, what have you been thinking all these years?
当肯尼祈祷时，我就想，伙计，这些年来你一直在想什么？
No, I'm not going to be a professional soccer player.
不，我不会成为一名职业足球运动员。
That's totally out now.
现在完全没有了。
Is that what you thought up until that point?
在那之前你也是这么想的吗？
Yeah, it is.
是的，确实如此。
Ira Glass Given how restrictive-- I hope you don't take this the wrong way-- but given how restrictive your family is, I can see why you might jump at a chance to go overseas and get away.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：考虑到限制的程度——我希望你不要误会——但考虑到你的家庭限制的程度，我可以理解为什么你可能会抓住一个出国的机会并离开。
Yeah, I mean, some of the rules I can understand why.
是的，我的意思是，有些规则我能理解为什么。
I accept it because it's a good idea.
我接受它，因为这是一个好主意。
But it is getting kind of restrictive now that I'm getting older.
但随着我年龄的增长，它变得越来越限制。
Act Seven, Made to Stumble Because of Me.
第七幕，因我而跌倒。
All week I kept running into those guys who wanted to be on the radio, Matt and Eric.
整个星期我不断遇到那些想上广播的人，马特和埃里克。
And on the last morning in West Virginia, I see Eric out by his car.
在西弗吉尼亚州的最后一个早晨，我看到埃里克在他的车旁。
The night before, he had driven some kids from his VBS back home after dinner.
前一天晚上，晚饭后他开车送一些孩子从 VBS 回家。
Eric's group was running this huge vacation Bible school at a place called Windmill Park in a tough section of Fairmont, West Virginia.
埃里克的团队正在西弗吉尼亚州费尔蒙特的一个叫风车公园的地方经营这所大型假期圣经学校。
Eric had gotten close to a lot of the kids.
埃里克和很多孩子都很亲近。
Yeah, it was really hard last night, taking them home.
是啊，昨晚带他们回家真的很辛苦。
Some car was coming too close and they're like, it's a drive-by!
有些车开得太近了，他们就说，这是一辆驶过的车！
And they're ducking under and they were scared.
他们躲在水下，他们很害怕。
One of the kids left his bike at the park and he was all afraid that it was stolen.
其中一个孩子把他的自行车落在公园里，他担心自行车被偷了。
And stuff like that.
诸如此类的事情。
And while we were pulling in there, they were like, keep your head low because there's bullets around here, and stuff like that.
当我们把车开到那里时，他们说，低着头，因为这里有子弹，诸如此类的东西。
It's just really hard to think of these little first through fourth graders having to deal with this stuff every day.
很难想象这些一年级到四年级的小学生每天都要处理这些事情。
And we gave out prizes on our last day and a kid had to run home so that he could get the prizes to his house without having them taken from him.
我们在最后一天颁发了奖品，一个孩子必须跑回家，这样他才能把奖品拿到家里，而不会被夺走。
So it's rough.
所以很粗糙。
I mean, that's why I think, I'm almost-- I was almost like kind of down on the whole idea of VBS, because it's like you invest in these kids for a week, and they get close, and relationships are built.
我的意思是，这就是为什么我认为，我几乎——我几乎对 VBS 的整个想法有点失望，因为这就像你在这些孩子身上投资一周，他们变得亲密，建立了关系。
And then it's cut off.
然后就被切断了。
So I just felt like emotionally, it was just too hard on them.
所以我只是在情感上觉得，这对他们来说太难了。
And last night I was really struggling with that whole idea.
昨晚我真的很挣扎于这个想法。
That's interesting.
那很有意思。
Earlier in the week, we were talking about if you guys were going to change, and in the end, you did see something you hadn't seen before.
本周早些时候，我们讨论了你们是否要改变，最后，你们确实看到了一些以前从未见过的东西。
Definitely.
确实。
I mean, definitely.
我的意思是，绝对是。
Because that was really hard.
因为那真的很难。
I was very broken up by the thought of whether it's right to do these one-week VBSs.
一想到做这些为期一周的 VBS 是否正确，我就感到非常沮丧。
And invest in this kids just to then leave them.
对这些孩子进行投资，然后离开他们。
At the end of their week, the Chicagoans are feeling proud of how far they've come-- with the vacation Bible school, with Angie and Paula and Crystal, who they invited to dinner out at the campsite on the last night.
在一周结束时，芝加哥人为他们所取得的成就感到自豪——与假期圣经学校一起，与安吉、保拉和克里斯托一起，他们昨晚邀请他们到露营地共进晚餐。
People promise to write to each other.
人们承诺互相写信。
When we ask Crystal which parts of the Bible did she think that she would be reading, now that Carol had pointed out some sections to her, she can't remember which sections Carol had said.
当我们问克里斯托她认为她会读圣经的哪些部分时，既然卡罗尔已经向她指出了一些部分，她不记得卡罗尔说过哪些部分。
She says she doesn't really read anything on her own.
她说她自己并没有真正读过任何东西。
At services that last night, some kids from the East Coast get up to perform a song.
在昨晚的仪式上，一些来自东海岸的孩子起身表演了一首歌。
They're in a band called Iris and the song is about one of the unique burdens of being a teenager and a Christian.
他们在一支名为 Iris 的乐队中，这首歌讲述的是作为青少年和基督徒的独特负担之一。
So, hopefully, I'd like to encourage you all to not let it stop here, but when you go back, if you have friends or family that you can witness to, continue to share the love of Christ with people.
所以，希望我想鼓励你们不要就此止步，但是当你们回去时，如果你们有朋友或家人可以见证，请继续与人们分享基督的爱。
[SINGING] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[唱歌] 是啊，是啊，是啊，是啊。
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
是啊，是啊，是啊，是啊。
Are you so self-assured in everything you confide?
你对自己倾诉的一切都如此自信吗？
Are my beliefs so absurd?
难道我的信仰就这么荒唐吗？
I would not try to hide.
我不会试图隐藏。
I'm not trying to push you, but I hate to see you like this.
我并不是想逼你，但我讨厌看到你这样。
I love you too much to let you die in ignorance.
我太爱你了，不能让你在无知中死去。
You're on a ledge and the ground beneath is breaking.
你站在一个壁架上，下面的地面正在破裂。
You try to swim, you're sinking slow but surely grab his hands.
你尝试游泳，虽然下沉得很慢，但一定要抓住他的手。
Hey, friend, I won't have your blood upon my hands.
嘿，朋友，我不会让你的血沾满我的手。
Hey friend, what can I do to make you understand?
嘿朋友，我该怎么做才能让你明白呢？
To make you understand?
为了让你明白？
As for whether the Chicago kids are up to the task of actually proselytizing their non-Christian friends, they do not seem eager or ready.
至于芝加哥的孩子们是否能够真正完成向非基督徒朋友传教的任务，他们似乎并不渴望或准备好。
It's one thing to befriend strangers in another state.
在另一个州与陌生人交朋友是一回事。
It's another kind of commitment to their faith to try it at home.
在家尝试也是对信仰的另一种承诺。
It's a sacrifice.
这是一种牺牲。
But on the long drive home, Joel, the future missionary, says he doesn't think it'll happen with the group.
但在回家的长途路上，未来的传教士乔尔说，他认为这不会发生在这个团体中。
Either the people won't want to come, or at least as far as I'm concerned, I'm too nervous to ask them.
要么人们不愿意来，要么至少就我而言，我太紧张而不敢问他们。
And I already-- and I also-- in the case of most of my non-Christian friends, I already know what their answer would be.
我已经——我也——对于我的大多数非基督徒朋友来说，我已经知道他们的答案是什么。
They don't-- they're fine with me being Christian.
他们不同意——他们同意我是基督徒。
But they don't have any interest in it themselves, at least not at this point.
但他们自己对此没有任何兴趣，至少目前没有。
In the four months since the trip, only one member of the group has brought a non-Christian friend to youth group.
旅行后的四个月里，只有一名成员带了一位非基督徒朋友到青年小组。
As for contact with Crystal and Paula and Angie, an adult leader wrote a letter to Angie, and sent a Bible that they all signed.
至于与克里斯托、宝拉和安吉的联系，一位成年领袖给安吉写了一封信，并寄来了一本他们都签名的圣经。
There hasn't been a lot more.
还没有更多。
And maybe this lack of proselytizing energy is not such a bad thing.
也许缺乏传教能量并不是一件坏事。
If Dan is going to stick to his goal from the trip, helping the kids examine what they believe, the real tests of faith for most people are not usually in interactions with people hundreds of miles away, or with people they're trying to convert.
如果丹要坚持他的旅行目标，帮助孩子们检查他们的信仰，那么对大多数人来说，真正的信仰考验通常不是与数百英里之外的人或与他们试图改变信仰的人的互动。
Real tests of faith happen with the people closest to you, with parents and friends.
真正的信仰考验发生在最亲近的人、父母和朋友身上。
It was a bunch of Christians who made Arden question her faith.
是一群基督徒让阿登质疑她的信仰。
It's a desire to kiss a nice Christian girl that made Joel question his.
正是因为渴望亲吻一位漂亮的基督徒女孩，乔尔才对自己产生了疑问。
Those questions are likely to continue.
这些问题可能会继续存在。
Well, our program was produced and reported today by Susan Burton and myself, with help from Alex Blumberg, Nancy Updike, Blue Chevigny, Starlee Kine, and Todd Bachmann.
好吧，我们的节目今天由苏珊·伯顿和我在亚历克斯·布伦伯格、南希·厄普代克、布鲁·切维尼、斯塔利·凯恩和托德·巴赫曼的帮助下制作和报道。
Julie Snyder was our editor on the story.
朱莉·斯奈德是我们这篇报道的编辑。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] To buy a cassette of this or any of our programs, call us here at WBEZ in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
[鸣谢] 要购买本节目或我们任何节目的磁带，请致电芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
And if you're still somehow mulling over that perfect Christmas gift, even today, our double CD, Lies, Sissies, and Fiascoes, The Best of This American Life, is available at our website, at www.thislife.org.
如果您仍在考虑这份完美的圣诞礼物，即使在今天，您也可以在我们的网站 www.thislife.org 上找到我们的双 CD《谎言、娘娘腔和惨败——美国生活中的美好》。
At the site you can also listen to our program for free, and listen to more music from the Christian rock band, Iris.
在该网站上，您还可以免费收听我们的节目，并聆听基督教摇滚乐队 Iris 的更多音乐。
Thanks to Elizabeth Meister who runs the site.
感谢运营该网站的伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister)。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who taunts me-- taunts me!-- all the time.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 监督，他一直在嘲笑我——嘲笑我！
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of this American life.
下周我们将带来更多有关美国生活的故事。
And I'm like, no, I don't.
我想，不，我不喜欢。
Announcer PRI.
播音员 PRI。
Public Radio International.
国际公共广播电台。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。