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Prologue Ira Glass Kate Aurthur became the rat columnist for New York magazine because she believed, in some way, that rats were at the heart of life in the Big City.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 凯特·奥瑟成为《纽约》杂志的老鼠专栏作家，因为她相信，在某种程度上，老鼠是大城市生活的核心。
Every New Yorker, she says, has a story about a rat.
她说，每个纽约人都有一个关于老鼠的故事。
The singer and actor, Ru Paul, found an alley near City Hall with, he said, a thousand rats in it.
歌手兼演员鲁保罗在市政厅附近发现了一条小巷，他说里面有一千只老鼠。
If he'd fallen off his bicycle, he swore they'd a killed him.
如果他从自行车上摔下来，他发誓他们就会杀了他。
I think he was exaggerating.
我认为他太夸张了。
But I did go to that alley at night and it was, by far, the most rats I've ever seen in one place.
但我晚上确实去了那条巷子，那是迄今为止我见过的老鼠最多的地方。
I was with a friend of mine who was driving, and we stopped at the end of the alley and turned out her lights.
我和一个开车的朋友在一起，我们在小巷尽头停下来，关掉了她的灯。
There's so much garbage, first of all, so they were just climbing all over the place.
首先，垃圾太多了，所以他们就到处爬。
So it was very disturbing, because they were actually at our eye level.
所以这非常令人不安，因为它们实际上与我们的视线水平。
And I mean, it was terrifying.
我的意思是，这太可怕了。
We're in a big truck and it didn't seem safe enough, like to be in an Isuzu Trooper.
我们坐在一辆大卡车里，看起来不够安全，就像坐在五十铃 Trooper 里一样。
It seemed like they had the advantage.
看起来他们有优势。
I mean, she was screaming so loudly that I became afraid of her.
我的意思是，她尖叫得太大声，以至于我开始害怕她。
It was terrible.
太可怕了。
I was like drive, drive!
我就像开车，开车！
It was terrible.
太可怕了。
Well from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life .
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台的《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, stories of nature creeping into the most man-made environments possible.
今天，在我们的节目中，自然故事潜入了最人造的环境中。
Nature sneaking in places where it's very existence is a rebuke to the notion that we, as a species, have it under control.
大自然潜入其存在的地方，是对我们作为一个物种可以控制大自然的观念的反驳。
When vermin infiltrate your house, or my house, there's this feeling of it's us versus them.
当害虫渗透到你的房子或我的房子时，就会有一种我们与它们对抗的感觉。
It's a contest with nature where it suddenly feels like nature might actually win.
这是一场与自然的竞赛，突然感觉自然可能会获胜。
I'm from Brooklyn.
我来自布鲁克林。
I mean, I'm from the streets of Brooklyn.
我的意思是，我来自布鲁克林的街道。
I was born, raised, and probably will die.
我出生、长大，也可能会死去。
This is from this great documentary by Mark Lewis called-- simply enough-- Rats.
这是马克·刘易斯 (Mark Lewis) 一部名为《老鼠》的伟大纪录片。
And I mean, I know what a mentality is, a street mentality is.
我的意思是，我知道什么是心态，街头心态。
I know when somebody takes on that type of a role.
我知道当有人扮演这种角色时。
And I when I looked into the eyes of the rats, I mean, I could see that they had an intelligence just like in the street where it's not just one kid, you're facing up to 20 kids.
当我看着老鼠的眼睛时，我的意思是，我可以看到它们有一种智力，就像街上的孩子一样，你面对的不仅仅是一个孩子，你面对的是多达 20 个孩子。
They all have the single-minded presence of mind to do what they have to do to you.
他们都一心一意地对你做他们必须做的事。
Usually, when we talk about man versus nature, and we build these urban environments and we quash nature and we control nature, there's a part of us that believes that we should be rooting for nature.
通常，当我们谈论人与自然，我们建造这些城市环境，我们压制自然，我们控制自然时，我们的一部分人相信我们应该支持自然。
That nature means beautiful greenery and the clear blue sky and the deep blue sea.
自然意味着美丽的绿色植物、清澈的蓝天和深蓝色的大海。
But when weeds breakthrough our perfectly paved sidewalk, when the cockroaches march in, when the rat arrives, we remember why we wanted to tame nature in the first place.
但是，当杂草冲破我们完美铺好的人行道时，当蟑螂大军入侵时，当老鼠到来时，我们就会想起为什么我们首先要驯服自然。
Rats showed up at this guy's house, and he tried ceiling walls and he tried poisoning them, he tried chasing them and killing them with a two by four, and still they came, and multiplied.
老鼠出现在这个家伙的房子里，他尝试了天花板墙壁，尝试毒害它们，尝试追赶它们并用二乘四杀死它们，但它们仍然来了，并且成倍增加。
Terrorizing his family, finally forcing them to move.
恐吓他的家人，最终迫使他们搬家。
I really do believe that they knew that they won.
我真的相信他们知道他们赢了。
Because remember, when you do look inside of his eyes, you can see he's got a soul.
因为请记住，当你看着他的眼睛时，你可以看到他有灵魂。
He's got something inside of him, and he's looking right back at you.
他内心深处有某种东西，而且他正回头看着你。
He wants you just as bad as you want him.
他想要你就像你想要他一样。
It's you or him.
是你还是他。
I know when I was there I wished the rats dead.
我知道当我在那里时我希望老鼠死掉。
If I could of, I would have killed each one by hand myself personally.
如果可以的话，我会亲手亲手杀死他们。
It brought my family terror, horror, economic grief.
它给我的家人带来了恐惧、恐怖和经济上的悲伤。
So yeah, I definitely held a grudge against them.
所以是的，我确实对他们怀恨在心。
They scarred me and they scarred my family, and will always be with us.
他们让我受伤，让我的家人受伤，但他们将永远和我们在一起。
Well today on our program, five stories of nature seeping into man-made environments, stripping the veneer of civilization off of us in the process.
今天，在我们的节目中，五个关于自然渗透到人造环境中的故事，在这个过程中剥去了我们文明的外表。
Act one, Interpretation of Dreams.
第一幕，梦的解析。
In which we hear how an entire nation has coped with the sheer trauma of what it means to knock down trees, rip into the earth, and all the other things you have to do to nature when you build a modern, industrial city.
在其中，我们听到了整个国家如何应对在建造现代化工业城市时砍倒树木、撕裂土地以及对自然所做的所有其他事情所带来的巨大创伤。
Act two, One Brave Man Stands Up For What's Right.
第二幕，一个勇敢的人坚持正义。
In which one of America's best known politicians goes mono a mono on behalf of human beings against the untamed wilderness.
其中一位美国最著名的政治家代表人类对抗未开化的荒野。
Act three, Church of Latter Day Snakes.
第三幕，现代蛇教会。
Scott Carrier tells the true story of one family experiment at bringing the outdoors indoors.
斯科特·卡里尔讲述了一个家庭尝试将户外活动带入室内的真实故事。
Act four, God Bless the Hamster Who Has His Own.
第四幕，上帝保佑拥有自己的仓鼠。
In which an average high school student explains why it is bad luck for any animal to become her pet.
一名普通高中生解释了为什么任何动物成为她的宠物都会带来厄运。
Act five, Waiting For the End of the World.
第五幕，等待世界末日。
The writer Iggy Scam hits the road to test a theory about the men who fish.
作家伊吉·斯凯姆踏上旅途，检验有关钓鱼者的理论。
Maybe you've seen these guys right in the middle of the Big City.
也许您在大城市的中心见过这些人。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act one, Interpretation of Dreams.
第一幕，梦的解析。
Building everything that we think of as modern life, cities and suburbs both, means trammeling nature.
建设我们所认为的现代生活的一切，无论是城市还是郊区，都意味着对自然的束缚。
And that bothers some people, they want to keep nature at hand.
这让一些人感到困扰，他们想把大自然留在手边。
Even if they're living in the heart of the city.
即使他们住在市中心。
Even if the part of nature they're trying to preserve is something most of us can't see and never notice.
即使他们试图保护的自然部分是我们大多数人看不到也从未注意到的。
David Rakoff brings us this case example.
David Rakoff 为我们带来了这个案例。
Grasteinn, literally gray rock, is a famous boulder in Reykjavik, Iceland.
Grasteinn，字面意思是灰色岩石，是冰岛雷克雅未克著名的巨石。
It sits cracked in two, fat and satisfied on its own square of sod.
它一分为二，肥胖而满足地坐在自己的方形草皮上。
On two occasions in the last 30 years, plans were underway to expand the road and detonate the rock.
过去 30 年里，曾有两次计划扩建道路并引爆岩石。
Both times, locals came forward and protested the destruction, claiming that the rock was inhabited by "hidden people." Invisible beings from another dimension who, along with elves and trolls, are a mainstay of Icelandic folklore.
两次，当地人都挺身而出，抗议破坏行为，声称岩石上居住着“隐藏的人”。来自另一个维度的隐形生物，与精灵和巨魔一样，是冰岛民间传说的支柱。
And both times, despite a complete lack of concrete evidence, indeed despite a complete lack of even a history of tales attached to that rock, the Icelandic Public Roads Administration heeded these protests and spared the boulder.
两次，尽管完全缺乏具体证据，甚至完全没有关于这块岩石的故事的历史，冰岛公共道路管理局还是注意到了这些抗议并饶恕了这块巨石。
Prior to my arrival, Victor Ingolfsson, chief of the publishing unit for the Public Roads Administration-- their PR guy-- had sent me an article he had written that explained the decision.
在我到达之前，公共道路管理局出版部门的负责人（他们的公关人员）维克多·英戈尔夫森（Victor Ingolfsson）给我发了一篇他写的文章，解释了这一决定。
It is titled, "The Public Roads Administration and the Belief in Elves." It turns out to be quite beautifully written.
它的标题是“公共道路管理和对精灵的信仰”。事实证明写得相当漂亮。
In addition to his day job, Victor is a novelist.
除了日常工作外，维克多还是一名小说家。
His third book has been on the national bestseller list for months.
他的第三本书连续几个月位居全国畅销书排行榜。
But its tone is an interesting mixture of exasperation and respect for the feelings of others.
但它的语气是一种有趣的混合体，既愤怒又尊重他人的感受。
He writes, "A lot of time goes into answering the same old questions.
他写道：“很多时间都花在回答同样的老问题上。
It is hope that this text will rectify the situation and it can be looked upon as the author's interpretation of the PRA's view on the issue.
希望本文能够纠正这种情况，并且可以将其视为作者对PRA对此问题的看法的解释。
It will not answer the question of whether the PRA's employees do or do not believe in elves and hidden people because opinion differs greatly, and it tends to be a rather personal matter.
它不会回答 PRA 员工是否相信精灵和隐藏人的问题，因为意见分歧很大，而且这往往是一个相当个人的问题。
However, you may assume that the author severely doubts the existence of such phenomena."
然而，你可能会认为作者严重怀疑这种现象的存在。”
This belief in these hidden people is primarily a quaint folk tradition, not really believed by many people.
对这些隐藏的人的这种信仰主要是一种奇怪的民间传统，并没有被很多人真正相信。
Yeah that's right.
是的，没错。
David Rakoff I wonder why you guys make any concessions?
大卫·拉科夫（David Rakoff）我想知道你们为什么做出让步？
Of this?
这个？
Because the people who do believe, they are pretty serious about it.
因为那些相信的人，他们对此非常认真。
But certainly we have people who believe in a lot of things that nobody else believes in, in the larger community, and we would never even think--
但当然，我们有人相信很多其他人不相信的事情，在更大的社区中，我们甚至永远不会想到——
But this is a small community.
但这是一个小社区。
So basically, everyone knows everyone, almost.
所以基本上，每个人几乎都认识每个人。
So you really have to listen to everyone because you are probably going to meet them at a party after awhile.
所以你真的必须倾听每个人的意见，因为一段时间后你可能会在聚会上见到他们。
You know, when you scream at someone in traffic in New York, you know you're probably not going to meet them again, so you do it.
你知道，当你在纽约的交通中对某人尖叫时，你知道你可能不会再遇到他们，所以你就这么做了。
But not so much here I think.
但我认为这里没有那么多。
I heard stories as a child, yes.
我小时候听过故事，是的。
But I don't think that people took it seriously.
但我认为人们并没有认真对待它。
Arni Bjornsson is a cultural anthropologist and head of the ethnological department of the National Museum.
阿尼·比约恩松 (Arni Bjornsson) 是一位文化人类学家，也是国家博物馆民族学部门的负责人。
He is a sweet-looking, beetle-browed grandfatherly type.
他是一位长相甜美、眉毛浓密的祖父类型。
A man in his 70s, who, like Viktor, also seems wistfully regretful that the pretext that gets someone like me onto an airplane and over to Iceland is to scrutinize this daffy, essentially non-representative aspect of their society.
一个像维克多一样的 70 多岁的男人似乎也深感遗憾，因为让像我这样的人登上飞机前往冰岛的借口是为了审视他们社会中这种愚蠢的、本质上不具代表性的方面。
Imagine you were outside of a jazz club, a place devoted to a quintessentially American art form, and a reporter from another country comes up and microphone in hand, starts quizzing you on why so many high-rises here don't have 13th floors.
想象一下，您在一家爵士乐俱乐部外面，这是一个致力于典型美国艺术形式的地方，一位来自另一个国家的记者拿着麦克风走过来，开始询问您为什么这里这么多的高层建筑没有 13 层。
Now, but when you were a child, did you believe in them?
那么，当你还是个孩子的时候，你相信他们吗？
I didn't believe in them, but I didn't exclude the possibility.
我不相信他们，但也不排除这种可能性。
In my own farm there were two cliffs, and there was said that there lived some hidden people in there.
我自己的农场里有两处悬崖，据说那里藏着一些人。
And you should not cut the grass near the cliffs, because it belonged to the hidden people.
而且你不应该割断悬崖附近的草，因为它属于隐藏的人。
Those were the stories.
这些就是故事。
This turns out to be a paradigmatic model, which I hear over and over again.
事实证明，这是一个范式模型，我一遍又一遍地听到。
The story of the grass belonging to the hidden people that must never be cut.
属于隐秘之人的那棵永远不能被砍伐的草的故事。
The other model of story that keeps coming up is one of benevolent wish fulfillment.
另一种不断出现的故事模式是善意愿望的实现。
Mortal women fall into slumbers from which they cannot be woken.
凡间的女人都会陷入沉睡，无法被唤醒。
In this dream state, they are visited by hidden people.
在这个梦境中，他们被隐藏的人拜访。
And having performed some service or having been fallen in love with, these mortal women are given pieces of fine cloth.
在完成某些服务或坠入爱河后，这些凡间妇女会得到精美的布料。
Much finer than anything available to them in their waking lives.
比他们醒着的生活中所能得到的任何东西都要好得多。
The world of the hidden people is a sort of a dream world.
隐藏者的世界是一种梦幻世界。
They are like human beings, but if anything, they are more beautiful.
他们就像人类一样，但如果说有什么不同的话，那就是他们更美丽。
They had better houses in the hills and the cliffs.
他们在山上和悬崖上有更好的房子。
They had better furniture.
他们有更好的家具。
They had better clothes.
他们有更好的衣服。
They had better food.
他们有更好的食物。
Freud's theory of dreams is ultimately that they are at heart, disguised versions of unacceptable wishes, of infantile desires whose fulfillment is necessarily unhealthy or unattainable.
弗洛伊德的梦理论最终认为，梦本质上是不可接受的愿望和婴儿期欲望的伪装版本，其实现必然是不健康或无法实现的。
In a country as physically inhospitable as Iceland, its cold, seemingly endless winter with only five hours of smudgy daylight.
在冰岛这样一个气候恶劣的国家，冬天寒冷且看似无尽，只有五个小时的阴暗日照。
Things as basic as warmth, clothing, sufficient food and companionship, might all be seen as inappropriate eruptions from the id.
像温暖、衣服、充足的食物和陪伴这样基本的事情都可能被视为本我的不恰当的爆发。
But it still begs the question, what possible purpose do these stories serve today?
但这仍然引出了一个问题，这些故事在今天有什么可能的用途？
Present day Reykjavik is a completely modern city, essentially immune to the nasty brutishness of nature.
如今的雷克雅未克是一座完全现代化的城市，基本上不受大自然的恶劣影响。
Still, the stories that hearken from that hardscrabble time are fondly remembered and closely guarded by nearly everyone I talk to.
尽管如此，那些发生在那个贫困时期的故事仍然被我交谈过的几乎每个人都深情地铭记和严密保护。
When I was about 10 years old, I saw an elf.
当我大约10岁的时候，我看到了一个小精灵。
Let me interrupt here and paint a picture.
让我在这里打断一下并画一幅画。
This is not some sod hat-dwelling yokel I am talking to.
跟我说话的不是某个草包乡巴佬。
This woman works in a trendy clothing store on Laugavegur, Reykjavik's main shopping street.
这位女士在雷克雅未克主要购物街洛加维格的一家时尚服装店工作。
She is wearing a long black skirt, a shiny dark red top, a glittery boa, and black felt platform boots.
她穿着黑色长裙、闪亮的深红色上衣、闪闪发光的围巾和黑色毛毡厚底靴。
This is one hip chick.
这是一只时髦的小鸡。
What did he look like?
他长什么样？
Woman 1 You know, like you see on the drawings of them.
女人 1 你知道，就像你在他们的画上看到的那样。
Small, a little hat.
小，一顶小帽子。
Do you believe in them?
你相信他们吗？
Woman 2 Yes, of course.
女人2 是的，当然。
Have you seen any?
你见过吗？
Woman 2 No, I have not seen any.
Woman 2 No, I have not seen any.
There's so many stories, and people talk a lot about them, so they must be true.
故事太多了，人们也谈论了很多，所以它们一定是真的。
That's one thing that I like about Iceland.
这是我喜欢冰岛的一件事。
It is that yearning quality.
这就是令人向往的品质。
That sense that it's at least nice to believe in hidden people that comes up again and again, even from a skeptic like Arni.
That sense that it's at least nice to believe in hidden people that comes up again and again, even from a skeptic like Arni.
The tales are a vestige of a pre-urban Iceland.
这些故事是前城市时代冰岛的遗迹。
They are a holdover from what came before.
They are a holdover from what came before.
And the physical record of what came before seems to be disappearing at an alarming rate in Reykjavik.
而之前发生的事情的物理记录似乎正在雷克雅未克以惊人的速度消失。
Everywhere I look there is new construction.
我放眼望去，到处都是新建筑。
And the city itself, despite being over 200 years old, is counter-intuitively new.
这座城市本身尽管已有 200 多年的历史，但却是一个反直觉的新城市。
I had been expecting a baby Amsterdam, whole spun sugar, northern European architecture, spires, gables, cobblestones.
我一直期待着一个婴儿阿姆斯特丹，全糖纺，北欧建筑，尖塔，山墙，鹅卵石。
Reykjavik, however, turns out to be very Bauhaus kind of town.
然而，雷克雅未克却是一座非常包豪斯风格的小镇。
A lot of it looks not a little like a vast Audi dealership.
其中很多看起来都有点像一个巨大的奥迪经销店。
Urbanization is intrinsically a violent process.
城市化本质上是一个暴力过程。
It elicits a terrified nostalgia and perhaps a little bit of guilt.
它引起了一种可怕的怀旧之情，也许还有一点内疚。
It makes us want to hold fast to what we feel we are destroying.
它让我们想要紧紧抓住我们认为正在摧毁的东西。
This was at the heart of the arts and crafts movement of the 19th century, with its concentration on handiwork, on the non-industrial.
这是 19 世纪艺术和手工艺运动的核心，其重点是手工艺品和非工业品。
In part, it what's made the Brothers Grimm decide to compile their oral ethnography of indigenous German folktales when they did.
在某种程度上，这促使格林兄弟决定编写德国本土民间故事的口头民族志。
Even Martha Stewart's monomaniacal obsession with the homemade is born of a similar impulse, an impulse to, if not stop time, at least slow it down some and preserve some sense of the past.
就连玛莎·斯图尔特对自制食品的偏执痴迷也源于类似的冲动，这种冲动即使不能让时间停止，至少也能让时间放慢一些，保留一些过去的感觉。
We are here in the library now.
We are here in the library now.
We have about 5,000 different books about psychic and spiritual things and also on hidden people.
我们有大约 5,000 本关于通灵和精神事物以及隐藏人物的不同书籍。
And here we have a classroom, and there are some students here studying as you can hear.
我们这里有一间教室，你可以听到，一些学生在这里学习。
This is Magnus Skarpheoinsson, founder of The Elf School, which offers four hour courses, mostly for foreigners.
我是马格努斯·斯卡菲奥因松 (Magnus Skarpheoinsson)，精灵学校 (The Elf School) 的创始人，该学校提供四个小时的课程，主要针对外国人。
The course includes a bus tour of the main elf and hidden people sites in Reykjavik, followed by a typical Icelandic coffee and pancake breakfast.
该课程包括乘坐巴士游览雷克雅未克的主要精灵和隐藏的人遗址，然后享用典型的冰岛咖啡和煎饼早餐。
It's all pleasantly low rent.
这一切都是令人愉快的低租金。
The sign on the door is a paper flyer with a drawing of a cartoon ghost.
门上的标牌是一张纸质传单，上面画着一个卡通鬼魂。
Within that demographic of those who yearn for hidden people to exist, Magnus, it seems, yearns the most.
在那些渴望隐藏的人存在的人群中，马格努斯似乎是最渴望的。
But he covers this yearning with a veneer of science.
但他用科学的外表来掩盖这种渴望。
He calls himself a scientist.
He calls himself a scientist.
He is convinced that with properly funded scientific research, the existence of hidden people could be proven conclusively.
他坚信，通过适当资助的科学研究，可以最终证明隐藏人的存在。
Magnus speaks about hidden people as an anthropologist or census taker might.
马格努斯以人类学家或人口普查员的方式谈论隐藏的人。
The main population of hidden people, he tells me, number some 20,000 to 30,000 individuals.
The main population of hidden people, he tells me, number some 20,000 to 30,000 individuals.
I just would love to see them.
I just would love to see them.
Especially I would be wanting to see them and being invited to one cliff.
我特别想见到他们并被邀请到一个悬崖。
Because I would ask 5,000 questions inside there.
因为我会在里面问 5000 个问题。
Where did you get the carpet?
你从哪里买的地毯？
Where did you get the table?
Where did you get the table?
Where did you get the stove?
Where did you get the stove?
Where did you get this?
你从哪里得到这个？
Have you been abroad?
你去过国外吗？
That's probably the reason why they haven't invited me.
这可能就是他们没有邀请我的原因。
It clearly rankles him a little bit that Erla Steffansdottir, a piano teacher and one of Iceland's most noted elf communicators, claims she has been seeing elves and hidden people her whole life.
钢琴老师、冰岛最著名的精灵传播者之一埃尔拉·斯特凡斯多蒂尔 (Erla Steffansdottir) 声称她一生都在看到精灵和隐藏的人，这显然让他有点恼火。
Magnus has led me to believe that my chances of meeting Erla would be slim to none.
马格努斯让我相信我见到艾拉的机会微乎其微。
That she is difficult.
说她很难。
That she will not be helpful.
That she will not be helpful.
That she traffics in arbitrary rivalries.
她肆意地进行竞争。
But when I call without having to push, she tells me to come the next day at 4 o'clock.
但当我不费力气地打电话时，她告诉我第二天四点来。
Erla's maps of hidden people sites around Iceland are on sale in tourist shops in Reykjavik.
雷克雅未克的旅游商店有售埃尔拉绘制的冰岛各地隐藏人物遗址地图。
I was expecting a Stevie Nicks type, wild hair, clanking jewelry, a tatterdemalion velvet cape, cats.
I was expecting a Stevie Nicks type, wild hair, clanking jewelry, a tatterdemalion velvet cape, cats.
Instead, I found a friendly if somewhat shy woman in her 40s living in a lovely apartment on the top floor of a Reykjavik townhouse with a bay window.
相反，我找到了一位 40 多岁的友好但有些害羞的女士，她住在雷克雅未克一栋带有凸窗的联排别墅顶层的一间可爱公寓里。
Erla's house is decorated in the tasteful middle class aesthetic one might expect of a piano teacher-- landscape paintings, old furniture.
艾拉的房子按照钢琴老师所期望的高雅的中产阶级审美风格进行装饰——风景画、旧家具。
Erla's friend, Bjork [UNINTELLIGIBLE] is there to help translate Things began a little awkwardly.
Erla 的朋友 Bjork [无法辨认] 在那里帮忙翻译 事情的开始有点尴尬。
When did you first see or realize that you could see hidden people?
你什么时候第一次看到或意识到你可以看到隐藏的人？
Erla says she has always been able to see the various beings who live in dimensions other than our own.
艾拉说她一直能够看到生活在我们之外的维度中的各种生物。
Like that one right there she says, indicating a place on the coffee table beside a Danish modern glass ashtray.
就像她说的那样，指着咖啡桌上的丹麦现代玻璃烟灰缸旁边的一个地方。
She then catches herself.
She then catches herself.
Oh, that's right.
哦，是这样。
You can't see it.
你看不到它。
She shakes her head slightly, amused at her forgetfulness that others do not possess her gift.
She shakes her head slightly, amused at her forgetfulness that others do not possess her gift.
It's a somewhat disingenuous moment, like when your friend, newly back from a semester in Paris says to you, it's like, uhm, oh, I forget the English word, how you say fromage?
这是一个有点不诚实的时刻，就像当你的朋友刚从巴黎一个学期回来对你说时，就像，嗯，哦，我忘记了英语单词，你怎么说 fromage？
When I am playing on the piano they come.
When I am playing on the piano they come.
They are everywhere.
他们无处不在。
The music attracts them, so when she's playing they come.
音乐吸引了他们，所以当她演奏时他们就会来。
They gather around her.
他们聚集在她周围。
[SPEAKING ICELANDIC] Bjork One sits there.
[SPEAKING ICELANDIC] Bjork One sits there.
Two are walking over here.
有两个人正朝这边走来。
One is sitting there.
一个人坐在那里。
I am suddenly overcome with a completely inappropriate urge, the barely suppressed impulse to slam my hand down on the coffee table really, really hard, right where she's pointing.
我突然被一种完全不恰当的冲动所征服，那种几乎无法抑制的冲动，想把我的手狠狠地摔在咖啡桌上，就在她指着的地方。
Obviously, I refrain from doing so.
Obviously, I refrain from doing so.
[SPEAKING ICELANDIC] Bjork She said, in every home there's a dwarf or an elf who is like the size of a three-year-old child.
[冰岛语]比约克 她说，每个家庭都有一个像三岁孩子那么大的侏儒或精灵。
Every home has it and with those beings, you can communicate.
每个家庭都有它，你可以与那些生命进行交流。
So every house has a house elf?
那么每家每户都有一个家养小精灵？
In New York City too?
纽约市也有吗？
Yeah, exactly.
是的，完全正确。
But Bjork points out that house elves are a privilege, not a right.
但比约克指出，家养小精灵是一种特权，而不是权利。
When the energy of a given house gets too negative, she says, when there is drinking or fighting, the elves will leave.
她说，当某个房子的能量变得太负时，当有人喝酒或打架时，精灵就会离开。
Suddenly, mysticism, new age philosophy, recovery speak, and elves our conflated as one.
Suddenly, mysticism, new age philosophy, recovery speak, and elves our conflated as one.
Erla says that elves are a manifestation of nature.
艾拉说精灵是自然的体现。
They are inherently good.
他们本质上是好的。
Without them we were choke on our own pollution.
Without them we were choke on our own pollution.
There's almost no more urban point of view of nature than this pastoral idyllic one.
几乎没有比这种田园诗般的自然景观更具有都市气息的了。
Humankind bad, nature good.
Humankind bad, nature good.
As in, drinking and fighting bad.
就像酗酒和打架一样糟糕。
The elves and flowers good.
The elves and flowers good.
But it's a false dichotomy.
但这是错误的二分法。
After all, following this logic Sistine Chapel bad, Ebola virus good?
毕竟，按照这个逻辑，西斯廷教堂不好，埃博拉病毒好？
The next day on my way to Keflavik Airport, I get a sustained look at the landscape outside the city.
第二天，在前往凯夫拉维克机场的途中，我持续观察了城外的风景。
In the weak afternoon light, it is an unrelievedly monochromatic view.
在午后微弱的光线下，这是一幅令人不安的单色景色。
Flat, vaguely undulating, black rock, cracked all over with a tracery of fissures.
Flat, vaguely undulating, black rock, cracked all over with a tracery of fissures.
To the right, the vast gray sea and to the left, in the distance, the strange hills, looking like whales resting on their sides.
右边是广阔的灰色大海，左边远处是奇特的山丘，看起来像侧卧的鲸鱼。
Each one isolated against the horizon.
每一个都与地平线隔绝。
At one point, we drive within half a mile of the perfect cone of a young volcano.
At one point, we drive within half a mile of the perfect cone of a young volcano.
The rain falls all the while.
雨一直下着。
In A Midsummer Night's Dream, Shakespeare describes the Athenian wood that lies just beyond the gates of the city as "A place where the wild thyme blows, where oxlips and the nodding violet grows.
在《仲夏夜之梦》中，莎士比亚将城门外的雅典森林描述为“野百里香随风飘扬、牛唇草和紫罗兰生长的地方。
Quite over-canopied with lush woodbine, with sweet musk-roses and eglantine."
树冠上长满了茂密的苦藤、甜甜的麝香玫瑰和玫瑰花。”
It's crowded in that Athenian forest.
It's crowded in that Athenian forest.
You can't take two steps without having to push aside some blossom-heavy branch concealing countless magical fairies.
你走两步就必须推开隐藏着无数神奇仙女的繁花盛开的树枝。
By contrast, Icelanders were frequently all alone in the wilderness.
相比之下，冰岛人经常在荒野中独自一人。
The spaces yawn open, wide and disconnected.
空间张开、宽阔且互不相连。
And it is our nature to connect, to create for ourselves a fully formed community where none exists.
And it is our nature to connect, to create for ourselves a fully formed community where none exists.
We are hardwired for it.
我们对此是天生的。
As Oberon says, "The poet's eye, in fine frenzy rolling, doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven.
正如奥布朗所说：“诗人的眼睛，在疯狂地滚动中，从天上扫向大地，从大地扫向天堂。
And as imagination bodies forth, the form of things unknown, the poet's pen turns them into shapes and gives to airy nothing, a local habitation and a name."
随着想象的出现，未知事物的形式，诗人的笔将它们变成形状，并赋予虚无、当地的居所和名字。”
David Rakoff lives in New York, where despite his best efforts, he does not believe in magic.
David Rakoff lives in New York, where despite his best efforts, he does not believe in magic.
He's put a version of this story into his upcoming book, which is called Fraud.
他将这个故事的一个版本写入了他即将出版的书《欺诈》中。
Act two.
第二幕。
OK, so let's review.
好的，让我们回顾一下。
In Iceland, the government moves massive boulders because a handful of citizens believe that invisible hidden people live near those boulders.
In Iceland, the government moves massive boulders because a handful of citizens believe that invisible hidden people live near those boulders.
As we look around the world, not every city government is quite as accommodating of people's idiosyncratic wishes.
环顾世界，并非每个城市政府都能如此满足人们的特殊愿望。
Take this example.
以这个例子为例。
This is Rudy Giuliani, back again on the air.
我是鲁迪·朱利安尼，再次回归直播。
Now we're going to go to David in Oceanside.
现在我们要去欧申赛德的大卫那里。
Hi David.
嗨大卫。
David Guthartz Let me introduce myself again.
大卫·古萨兹 让我再次自我介绍一下。
David Guthartz, executive president of New York Ferrets' Right Advocacy.
David Guthartz, executive president of New York Ferrets' Right Advocacy.
Last week when we spoke, you said a very disparaging remark to me that I should get a life.
Last week when we spoke, you said a very disparaging remark to me that I should get a life.
That was very unprofessional of you.
你这太不专业了。
Here we're trying to get something seriously done-- without you talking over me-- we're trying to get something very seriously done.
Here we're trying to get something seriously done-- without you talking over me-- we're trying to get something very seriously done.
David, you're on my show.
大卫，你在我的节目中。
I have the right to talk over you.
我有权谈论你。
But here's the thing.
但事情是这样的。
You talked over me the last time.
上次你谈论了我。
OK, let's just stop the tape right there.
好吧，让我们把磁带停在那里。
They're on my show and-- so I guess I have the right to talk over them.
他们在我的节目中，所以我想我有权谈论他们。
This is the mayor of New York, of course.
当然，这是纽约市长。
This was recorded July 23, 1999.
这是1999年7月23日记录的。
He was doing his weekly call-in show on WABC AM.
他正在 WABC AM 上做每周一次的来电节目。
This exchange made the news because the mayor got so exercised about whether New Yorkers should be allowed to keep ferrets in their homes.
这次交流之所以成为新闻，是因为市长对于纽约人是否应该被允许在家中饲养雪貂感到非常困惑。
Mr. Giuliani, of course, is famous for having transformed New York City.
当然，朱利安尼先生因改变纽约市而闻名。
Sweeping everything, including the homeless people, off the streets.
扫除街道上的一切，包括无家可归的人。
In his view, New York versus ferrets is just a reiteration of the basic question, civilization versus chaos.
在他看来，纽约与雪貂的对决只是对文明与混乱这一基本问题的重申。
And he knows where he stands.
他知道自己的立场。
If you follow the news very, very closely, you may have read about this exchange in the paper.
如果您非常非常密切地关注新闻，您可能已经在报纸上读到了这次交流。
Very few of us actually heard it.
我们当中很少有人真正听到过。
We decided to get a copy of the tape.
我们决定得到一份磁带的副本。
David, you're on my show.
大卫，你在我的节目中。
I have the right to talk over you.
我有权谈论你。
But here's the thing.
但事情是这样的。
You talked over me last time.
上次你还议论过我。
And the fact-- David Guthartz We are trying to get--
事实是——大卫·古萨兹（David Guthartz）我们正在努力——
David!
大卫！
David Guthartz --important issue taken care of where the city is violating state law.
David Guthartz——该市违反州法律的重要问题得到解决。
And I had asked you last week if you care about the law.
上周我问过你是否关心法律。
Yes, I do care about the law.
是的，我确实关心法律。
I think you have totally and absolutely misinterpreted the law, because there's something deranged about you.
我认为你完全彻底地误解了法律，因为你有些精神错乱。
The excessive concern that you have for ferrets is something you should examine with a therapist.
您应该向治疗师检查您对雪貂的过度关注。
Sir, understand that-- well, first of all--
先生，请理解——嗯，首先——
Not with me.
不和我在一起。
David Guthartz --don't go insulting me again.
David Guthartz——别再侮辱我了。
I'm not insulting you.
我不是在侮辱你。
I'm being honest with you.
我对你很诚实。
Maybe nobody in your life has ever been honest with you.
也许你一生中没有人对你诚实过。
But there's an incessant--
但有一个不间断的——
David, there is-- David Guthartz First of all, let me explain to you something--
大卫，有——大卫·古萨兹 首先，让我向你解释一件事——
There is a serious-- David Guthartz Mr. Guiliani.
有一位严肃的——大卫·古萨兹·吉利亚尼先生。
This conversation is over, David.
这次谈话结束了，大卫。
Thank you.
谢谢。
There is something really, really very sad about you.
你确实有一些非常非常悲伤的事情。
You need help.
你需要帮助。
You need somebody to help you.
你需要有人帮助你。
This excessive concern with little weasels is a sickness.
这种对小黄鼠狼的过度关心是一种病态。
I'm sorry, that's my opinion.
抱歉，这是我的意见。
You don't have to accept it.
你不必接受它。
There are probably very few people that would be as honest with you about that.
可能很少有人会在这一点上对你如此诚实。
But you should go consult a psychologist or a psychiatrist and have him help you with this excessive concern.
但你应该去咨询心理学家或精神科医生，让他帮助你解决这种过度的担忧。
How you are devoting your life to weasels.
你如何把自己的一生奉献给黄鼠狼。
There are people in this city and in this world that need a lot of help.
这个城市和这个世界上有很多人需要很多帮助。
Something has gone wrong with you.
你出了点问题。
Your compulsion about it, your excessive concern with it, is the sign of something wrong in your personality.
你对它的强迫、你对它的过度关注，是你性格中出现问题的迹象。
I do not mean to be insulting.
我无意侮辱。
I'm trying to be honest with you, and I'm trying to give you advice for your own good.
我试图对你诚实，并且为了你的利益而试图给你建议。
You have a sickness.
你有病。
And I know it's hard for you to accept that, because you hang on to this sickness.
我知道你很难接受这一点，因为你对这种疾病耿耿于怀。
And it's your shield, it's your whatever.
这是你的盾牌，是你的一切。
You've got to go to somebody who understands this a lot better than I do.
你必须去找比我更了解这一点的人。
And I know you're real angry at me and you're going to attack me.
我知道你真的生我的气，你会攻击我。
But actually, you're angry at yourself.
但实际上，你是在生自己的气。
You're afraid of what I'm raising with you.
你害怕我和你一起养育的东西。
You need help.
你需要帮助。
And please get it.
请拿走它。
Now we're going to move onto Richard in the Bronx.
现在我们要转向布朗克斯区的理查德。
Rudolph Giuliani, mayor of New York City.
鲁道夫·朱利安尼，纽约市市长。
At the time when we first broadcast these comments on our program, he was a candidate for the US Senate.
当我们第一次在我们的节目中播出这些评论时，他是美国参议院的候选人。
When we contacted the democrat who eventually won that senate seat, Hillary Rodham Clinton, to find out her stance on the ferret issue, her staff never returned the call.
当我们联系最终赢得参议院席位的民主党人希拉里·罗德姆·克林顿(Hillary Rodham Clinton)，了解她在雪貂问题上的立场时，她的工作人员从未回复过我们的电话。
[MUSIC- "RAT TRAP" BY BOOMTOWN RATS]
[音乐- BOOMTOWN RATS 的“RAT Trap”]
Coming up, a story involving Scott Carrier, some explosives, a newspaper reporter, a bunch of kids, and a rattlesnake.
接下来的故事涉及斯科特·卡里尔、一些炸药、一名报纸记者、一群孩子和一条响尾蛇。
Also, can a hamster come back from the grave to haunt you?
另外，仓鼠会从坟墓里回来困扰你吗？
And other urgent, yet curiously unanswered questions, in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，国际公共广播电台将立即解答其他紧急但奇怪的未解答问题。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program of course, we chose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program is about those cracks and crevices where nature insinuates itself into environments that are completely man-made, and what that does to people.
今天的节目是关于那些自然渗透到完全人造环境中的裂缝和缝隙，以及它们对人类的影响。
We've arrived at act three of our program.
我们已经进入了计划的第三幕。
Act three, Church of the Latter Day Snakes.
第三幕，后期蛇教会。
This is the story of people who want more of nature than the chance to occasionally hike and goof around outside.
这是一个关于人们想要更多自然的故事，而不是偶尔在外面远足和闲逛的机会。
These are people who bump up against the question, how far should we go in our love of the great outdoors?
这些人遇到了这样一个问题：我们对户外活动的热爱应该走多远？
Can you bring it inside the house?
可以带进屋吗？
Scott Carrier tells this story from Salt Lake City.
斯科特·卡里尔在盐湖城讲述了这个故事。
We had already brought home the dynamite and blasting caps we found abandoned in the gully by the freeway.
我们已经把遗弃在高速公路沟壑里的炸药和雷管带回家了。
Now we prepared to set out for the foothills to capture a rattlesnake.
现在我们准备出发去山麓捕捉响尾蛇。
Our father had not let us keep the explosives, and I doubted he would allow a rattlesnake in the house, but my brother, my older brother, had seen the snake and knew where it lived, and he wanted it.
我们的父亲不允许我们保留炸药，我怀疑他会允许一条响尾蛇进入房子，但我的兄弟，我的哥哥，看到了这条蛇，知道它住在哪里，他想要它。
He needed it, to study for science.
他需要它来学习科学。
He'd read a book on herpetology and had made a snake catching stick by carving a small fork at one end to pin down the snake's head against the ground.
他读过一本关于爬行动物学的书，并在一端刻了一个小叉子，将蛇的头固定在地上，制作了一根捕蛇棒。
We'd practice with the stick-- my brother, myself, and my best friend, Lenny-- jabbing at imaginary snakes in the backyard.
我们会用棍子练习——我的兄弟、我自己和我最好的朋友莱尼——在后院想象中的蛇。
We had a pocket knife sharpened on a whetstone to use to cut open the wound and suck out the poison in case one of us got bit.
我们有一把在磨刀石上磨好的小刀，用来切开伤口并吸出毒液，以防万一有人被咬伤。
We felt pretty sure we knew what we were doing.
我们非常确定我们知道自己在做什么。
My brother said, we'll keep it in the cage in my room downstairs and feed it mice and toads.
哥哥说，我们把它关在楼下我房间的笼子里，喂它老鼠和蟾蜍。
As long as we keep it a secret, everything will be fine.
只要我们保守秘密，一切都会好起来的。
He said this looking at me, because the dynamite and blasting caps had also been a secret until I blabbed the whole story one night at dinner.
他看着我说这句话，因为炸药和雷管也一直是个秘密，直到有一天晚上我在晚餐时讲述了整个故事。
How we found the wooden crates in the cottonwoods along the river.
我们是如何在河边的杨树林里找到木箱的。
How we recognized the contents because, in those days, they were public service commercials on television during the cartoons, warning kids never to touch blasting caps that might be lying around discarded or forgotten.
我们之所以能认出这些内容，是因为在那些日子里，它们是电视上卡通片中的公益广告，警告孩子们不要触摸可能被丢弃或遗忘的雷管。
Kids had died.
孩子们都死了。
Kids had had their arms blown off, their faces removed, and so on.
孩子们的手臂被炸掉，脸被摘掉等等。
So when we found the boxes it was like finding buried treasure.
因此，当我们找到这些盒子时，就像找到了埋藏的宝藏一样。
We weren't going to touch the contents, but we weren't going to leave them there either.
我们不会碰里面的东西，但我们也不会把它们留在那里。
We were careful, very careful, carrying them home.
我们小心翼翼地把它们带回家。
Walking slowly, smoothly.
行走缓慢，平稳。
One false step and it would be all she wrote.
一步失误，她就写下了这一切。
Kabloom, sayonara, kiss our own sweet asses goodbye.
卡布卢姆，再见，吻别我们的甜蜜的屁股。
We brought the boxes home and hid them in the basement where they'd be safe, thinking that there would be endless possibilities.
我们把盒子带回家，藏在地下室，这样才安全，因为我们认为会有无限的可能性。
I told this story at dinner hoping that our dad would recognize these possibilities, but he immediately called the cops, and they came and took it all away.
我在晚餐时讲了这个故事，希望我们的父亲能够认识到这些可能性，但他立即打电话给警察，他们来了，把所有东西都拿走了。
Then the next day, the reporter showed up and we were the paper, and it just didn't come out at all like I thought it would.
第二天，记者出现了，我们就是报纸，但它根本没有像我想象的那样出版。
I admitted it was a mistake to talk about the dynamite.
我承认谈论炸药是一个错误。
I said I'd learned my lesson, and I swore I would not say anything ever about the rattlesnake.
我说我已经吸取了教训，我发誓我永远不会说任何有关响尾蛇的事情。
Do you swear to God, my friend Lenny said.
“你向上帝发誓吗？”我的朋友莱尼说。
There is no God, my brother said.
没有上帝，我哥哥说。
Swear on your honor.
以你的名誉发誓。
I swear to God.
我向上帝发誓。
I swear on my honor, I said.
我以我的名誉发誓，我说。
I can keep a secret.
我可以保守秘密。
But we all knew that I couldn't.
但我们都知道我不能。
I was the type of kid who would try to wrap the truth tightly inside my body only to have it eventually emerge from my mouth, like a hairy moth from a cocoon.
我是那种试图将真相紧紧包裹在体内的孩子，但最终却让它从我的嘴里飞出来，就像一只毛茸茸的飞蛾破茧而出。
We headed out with our knapsacks, the three of us, down the street of our brand new subdivision on the far eastern edge of town, next to the foothills of the Wasatch Mountains, a place of natural forces, the line where civilization ended and the wilderness began.
我们三个人背着背包，沿着我们位于城镇远东边缘的全新分区的街道出发，毗邻瓦萨奇山脉的山麓，这是一个充满自然力量的地方，是文明结束和荒野开始的界线。
Some of the homes in the subdivision were newly occupied, and some were still under construction with piles of scrap wood in the yards, the asphalt black and smooth, the sidewalks and driveways white and shiny and floating six inches above the native sand and gravel, waiting for sprinklers, topsoil, and sod.
该分区的一些房屋是新住的，还有一些仍在建设中，院子里堆满了废木料，沥青黑色而光滑，人行道和车道白色而闪亮，漂浮在原生沙子和砾石上方六英寸处，等待洒水器、表土和草皮。
We cut through a neighbor's backyard, jumped the fence, and then crawled through a three foot diameter drainage pipe under the freeway on-ramp, and we are out of the city walking up into the scrub brush.
我们穿过邻居的后院，跳过栅栏，然后爬过高速公路入口匝道下直径三英尺的排水管，然后走出城市，走进灌木丛。
We didn't know it then, but the entire city was, and still is, surrounded by rattlesnakes.
我们当时并不知道，整个城市过去和现在都被响尾蛇包围。
The Salt Lake Valley is shaped like a bull 20 miles in diameter with the Salt Lake itself resting like a pool of mercury at the bottom, and the peaks of the mountains forming the rim 7,000 feet above.
盐湖谷的形状像一头公牛，直径 20 英里，盐湖本身像水银池一样沉在底部，而山峰则形成了 7,000 英尺高的边缘。
The rattlesnakes live at a particular narrow band of elevation on the inside of this bull and their habitat, their niche, is continuous around the contour, like a poisonous belt.
响尾蛇生活在这头公牛内侧的一个特定狭窄的海拔带上，它们的栖息地，它们的生态位，围绕轮廓连续不断，就像一条有毒的带。
A deadly ring of serpents, constricting the City of Saints.
致命的毒蛇之环，笼罩着圣城。
As if the battle for the Garden of Eden were still ongoing, which I know the Mormon's believe, and maybe the snakes do as well.
好像伊甸园之战仍在继续，我知道摩门教徒相信这一点，也许蛇也是如此。
But all we knew then was that my brother had seen one rattlesnake and knew where it lived in a crack in an outcrop of rocks.
但当时我们只知道我哥哥看到了一条响尾蛇，并且知道它住在岩石露头的裂缝中。
Walking up to the rock outcrop, Lenny was telling us how his cousin, Marlin, had told him that some scientists from the University of Utah had implanted radioactive pellets in the stomachs of some rattlesnakes, and then released them in the foothills.
走到岩石露头处，莱尼告诉我们，他的表弟马林告诉他，犹他大学的一些科学家在一些响尾蛇的胃里植入了放射性颗粒，然后将它们释放到山麓。
Only to discover them months later down by the Great Salt Lake.
几个月后才在大盐湖边发现了它们。
That's 15 miles, my brother said.
那是 15 英里，我哥哥说。
Rattlesnakes don't migrate.
响尾蛇不迁徙。
How would they get there?
他们如何到达那里？
By sliding along the streets?
沿着街道滑行？
They'd get run over by cars.
他们会被汽车碾过。
That's just it, Lenny said.
就是这样，莱尼说。
The scientists couldn't figure it out either.
科学家们也想不通。
Until a woman was taking a leak in a toilet and got bit in the butt and died.
直到一名妇女在厕所漏水时屁股被咬死了。
That's when the scientists realized the snakes were in the sewers.
就在那时，科学家们意识到蛇就在下水道里。
That's ridiculous, my brother said.
这太荒谬了，我哥哥说。
Rattlesnakes don't like water.
响尾蛇不喜欢水。
They don't swim in sewers.
他们不会在下水道里游泳。
They like to stay in one place and sit in the sun.
他们喜欢呆在一个地方，坐在阳光下。
Lenny said, well, that's what the scientists said.
莱尼说，好吧，科学家们就是这么说的。
It's not true, my brother said.
这不是真的，我哥哥说。
You don't know that much, Lenny said.
你知道的不多，莱尼说。
You may have read a book, but you're not a scientist.
你可能读过书，但你不是科学家。
Not yet anyway.
反正还没有。
Well, my brother said, I know enough to know your cousin's lying to you.
好吧，我哥哥说，我知道的足够多，知道你表弟在骗你。
When we got close to the rock outcrop, we got down on our hands and knees and crawled to a position where we could look down and see the rattlesnake, right where my brother had said it would be, lying in the sun just outside an off-width crack.
当我们接近岩石露头时，我们用手和膝盖着地，爬到一个可以向下看并看到响尾蛇的位置，就在我哥哥所说的地方，躺在一条偏宽的裂缝外面阳光下。
It was a little rattlesnake, maybe only two feet long.
这是一条小响尾蛇，也许只有两英尺长。
My brother took the stick and slowly inched his way around to where he was just underneath it.
我哥哥拿起棍子，慢慢地挪到棍子下面。
And then he jumped up and jabbed at it.
然后他跳起来并刺向它。
He missed and the snake lunged at him, and he jumped back and fell over.
他没击中，蛇向他扑来，他向后一跳，摔倒了。
And then he got up and jabbed again.
然后他站起来，再次刺伤。
This time, pinning down the snake's tail.
这一次，压住了蛇的尾巴。
It whirled and lunged to bite his hand and my brother jumped back again, releasing his hold.
它旋转着猛扑过来咬住他的手，我哥哥又跳了回来，松开了手。
Lenny and I were on our feet yelling, get it, get it, get it.
莱尼和我站起来喊着，得到它，得到它，得到它。
But the snake was quick and slid back into the crack out of reach.
但那条蛇速度很快，又滑回了裂缝中，超出了他的范围。
The whole thing took maybe five seconds, but I'd never seen anything like it.
整个过程大约花了五秒钟，但我从未见过这样的事情。
We were jumping up and down, jumping nearly out of our bodies, wild and insane with excitement.
我们上蹿下跳，几乎要跳出身体，兴奋得疯狂、疯狂。
We waited for the snake to come back out of the crack, but we'd scared it pretty bad.
我们等着蛇从裂缝里出来，但我们把它吓坏了。
And then Lenny and I couldn't be quiet, even though my brother kept telling us to shut up.
然后莱尼和我就无法安静，尽管我哥哥一直叫我们闭嘴。
He was mad at it, and even more upset with himself for missing his chance.
他对此很生气，更对自己错过了机会而感到沮丧。
I didn't care.
我不在乎。
My brother had abandoned his fear and faced death, or at least severe injury.
我的兄弟放弃了恐惧，面临着死亡，或者至少是重伤。
In a way we'd seen in movies and read about in books, but had never experienced firsthand.
在某种程度上，我们在电影中看到过，在书中读到过，但从未亲身经历过。
My brother was brave.
我的兄弟很勇敢。
And if my brother was brave, then maybe I could be brave.
如果我的兄弟勇敢，那么也许我也能勇敢。
And I knew then I wanted to be brave more than anything else in the world.
那时我就知道我比世界上任何人都更想要勇敢。
So at that point my life changed.
所以从那时起我的生活发生了变化。
All our exploits of ringing doorbells, getting chased by the security guard on the golf course, throwing snowballs at cars, all these seemed childish.
我们按门铃、在高尔夫球场被保安追、向汽车扔雪球的所有事迹都显得幼稚。
The true object, the true endeavor in life, became the pursuit of the bold initiative.
生命中真正的目标、真正的努力，变成了对大胆主动性的追求。
The coming face to face with fear in whatever form or manifestation, and doing battle with it.
面对任何形式或表现的恐惧，并与之战斗。
We waited for the snake for a while and then gave up and went home, telling ourselves that we'd come back the next day.
我们等了一会儿蛇，然后放弃了，回家了，告诉自己第二天会回来。
But we never did, and maybe it's just as well.
但我们从来没有这样做过，也许这样也好。
Some things don't belong in the house.
有些东西不属于房子。
Our father would have said that, and now at least I can see his point.
我们的父亲会这么说，现在至少我能明白他的意思。
My brother, however, has never really given in on this.
然而，我的兄弟从来没有真正屈服过。
He continued to hunt and catch snakes as a kid.
当他还是个孩子的时候，他就继续狩猎和捕捉蛇。
Not rattlesnakes, but plenty of other ones.
不是响尾蛇，而是很多其他蛇。
And he did grow up to become a scientist.
他长大后确实成为了一名科学家。
A biologist, in fact.
事实上，一位生物学家。
Just last week, at the age of 43, after his wife brought home their firstborn son, he put up a six foot high chain link fence, the kind you normally see outside, right across the middle of their kitchen to keep his pack of wild, neurotic lab dogs from jumping the baby.
就在上周，43岁的他的妻子带他们的第一个儿子回家后，他在厨房中间竖起了一道六英尺高的铁丝网围栏，就是你通常在外面看到的那种，以防止他的一群野生、神经质的实验室狗跳到孩子身上。
The dogs have already torn up the grass in the backyard, so it's all mud and dirt.
后院的草已经被狗啃坏了，所以全是泥巴和泥土。
One attacked a neighbor's cat.
其中一只袭击了邻居的猫。
I haven't actually seen the fence yet.
我还没有真正看到栅栏。
My dad told me about it.
我爸爸告诉了我这件事。
But I can picture it.
但我可以想象它。
The baby on the kitchen floor, sucking on a pacifier.
婴儿在厨房地板上吮吸着奶嘴。
The five dogs sitting just on the other side of the fence, staring intently at a meal they will never enjoy.
五只狗坐在栅栏的另一边，专注地盯着他们永远不会享受的一顿饭。
Scott Carrier in Salt Lake City.
斯科特·开利在盐湖城。
His first book, Running After Antelope , will be in stores any day now.
他的第一本书《追羚羊》随时都会在商店上市。
Act four, God Bless the Hamster Who Has His Own.
第四幕，上帝保佑拥有自己的仓鼠。
Is it right to bring nature in the house, and then put it into the hands of children?
把大自然带进家里，然后交到孩子们的手中，这样正确吗？
Nearly everybody you meet has the story of some pet, usually a gerbil or a hamster, a tiny fish or an amphibian, where something went terribly, terribly wrong.
你遇到的几乎每个人都有一些宠物的故事，通常是沙鼠或仓鼠，小鱼或两栖动物，其中出现了非常非常错误的情况。
For the pet, anyway.
无论如何，对于宠物来说。
And if this story didn't happen to your friends, it happened to their brothers or sisters.
如果这个故事没有发生在你的朋友身上，那么它也发生在他们的兄弟姐妹身上。
It is sadly common.
可悲的是，这种情况很常见。
So when I was six years old and my younger brother was four, we were at the only hamburger place in my hometown.
所以当我六岁、我弟弟四岁的时候，我们在家乡唯一一家汉堡店。
And he had his pet toad in his left hand, and he had his hamburger is his right hand.
他的左手拿着他的宠物蟾蜍，右手拿着他的汉堡。
And unfortunately, he got his hands mixed up.
不幸的是，他把双手搞混了。
I had a turtle who died in the fall, and they buried it in the backyard.
我养了一只乌龟，秋天死了，他们把它埋在后院。
And then, the following spring they were planting bulbs in the area of the yard where the turtle was and they dug it up and it was alive.
然后，第二年春天，他们在乌龟所在的院子里种植球茎，他们把它挖出来，它还活着。
It had been hibernating.
它一直在冬眠。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I didn't start out really wanting to kill my fish, but I was cleaning their tank and they were in these little Cool Whip containers.
我一开始并不是真的想杀掉我的鱼，但我正在清理它们的鱼缸，它们就在这些小冷鞭容器中。
And I just didn't like the way that they looked in the little containers.
我只是不喜欢它们在小容器里的样子。
And then, I don't know, I just flushed them all down the toilet.
然后，我不知道，我只是把它们全部冲进马桶。
When Starlee Kine went out talking to people about this, there was one girl, a high school freshman here in Chicago, who seemed just somehow to stand out when it came to these stories.
当斯塔莉·凯恩出去与人们谈论这件事时，有一个女孩，一名芝加哥的高中一年级学生，在谈到这些故事时，她似乎不知何故脱颖而出。
I got my first hamster and I named her Bubbles.
我得到了我的第一只仓鼠，我给她起名叫“泡泡”。
Then I had a boy, and he was brown and white.
然后我生了一个男孩，他是棕色和白色的。
And I named him White Sox.
我给他起名叫白袜队。
And they had six kids, but she killed them.
他们有六个孩子，但她杀了他们。
I don't know.
我不知道。
They were smushed.
他们被压扁了。
And then she had another set, and she bit one's head off.
然后她又来了一套，她咬掉了一个人的头。
She smushed four of them, and she ate the other one.
她捣碎了四个，然后又吃了另一个。
But shortly after that, she was getting thin.
但不久之后，她就瘦了。
I noticed that she was getting thin.
我注意到她变瘦了。
But we didn't feed her like her hamster food.
但我们没有像喂仓鼠食物那样喂她。
She always ate table food.
她总是吃餐桌食物。
It was like, shrimp, lobster, crab, potato chips.
就像虾、龙虾、螃蟹、薯片。
They drunk pop, juice, pudding, jello.
他们喝汽水、果汁、布丁、果冻。
I mean, like everything except for tofu and sushi.
我的意思是，除了豆腐和寿司之外，什么都喜欢。
Except for that.
除此之外。
I don't know if that would cause her to lose so much weight, but then one day we come home and she was real small.
我不知道这是否会让她体重减轻这么多，但有一天我们回到家，她真的很小。
And then when she walked, she would like wobble.
然后当她走路的时候，她就会摇摇晃晃。
And one day me and my mom went to go see my brother.
有一天，我和妈妈去看望我的兄弟。
When we came back, she was dead.
当我们回来时，她已经死了。
But I just threw her out.
但我只是把她赶了出去。
I didn't cry, but I just threw her out.
我没有哭，只是把她赶了出去。
There were crayfish.
有小龙虾。
I had some crayfish.
我吃了一些小龙虾。
And I was doing a project.
我正在做一个项目。
Does pesticide have an affect on-- affect the growth on crayfish.
农药对小龙虾的生长有影响吗？
And they ate blood worms.
他们还吃血虫。
They were in my mom's freezer.
它们在我妈妈的冰箱里。
And I didn't think she liked the idea of worms.
我认为她不喜欢蠕虫这个想法。
Especially blood worms in the freezer.
尤其是冰箱里的血虫。
So I just took them out of the freezer and they all melted.
所以我把它们从冰箱里拿出来，它们都融化了。
It was blood and worms.
那是血和虫子。
It just melted.
它刚刚融化了。
So what I did was-- it was like a big bag of blood worms.
所以我所做的是——就像一大袋红虫。
And I just dumped the whole thing in the tank.
我把所有东西都倒进了水箱里。
But then I overfed them and they died.
但后来我给它们喂得太多了，它们就死了。
I think I'm a pet killer.
我想我是一个宠物杀手。
I don't know, because I had fish.
我不知道，因为我有鱼。
My fish died.
我的鱼死了。
I had an amphibian.
我有一只两栖动物。
It died.
它死了。
A snail.
一只蜗牛。
The snail, he just kicked over too.
蜗牛，他也刚刚踢翻了。
After my other pets died, I told my brother and my neighbor, because they did a lot of bad stuff to them.
我的其他宠物死后，我告诉了我的兄弟和邻居，因为他们对它们做了很多坏事。
Stuff like with the hot sauce and they used to just flick them in the nose, and they were like scared.
像辣酱之类的东西，他们过去只是把它们弹到鼻子里，他们就像害怕一样。
So I said, they coming back to haunt you.
所以我说，他们回来困扰你。
And they actually got scared.
他们实际上很害怕。
They was like, don't say that.
他们说，别这么说。
Don't say that.
别这么说。
I was like, OK.
我当时想，好吧。
You think I'm kidding?
你认为我在开玩笑吗？
White Sox and Bubbles are coming back to y'all.
白袜队和泡泡队即将回到你们身边。
And I'm not playing.
而且我不玩。
I actually said I wished they would come back and just haunt them.
我实际上说过我希望他们能回来并困扰他们。
I mean, I don't believe in all them ghosts and stuff, but I really want them to like just be scared.
我的意思是，我不相信鬼魂之类的东西，但我真的希望他们喜欢害怕。
The next pet I'm getting is a cat.
我养的下一个宠物是猫。
This cat I'm going to get, it'll last, hopefully.
我要养的这只猫，希望它能长久。
Typical high school freshman.
典型的高中一年级学生。
She spoke with Starlee Kine.
她与斯塔莉·凯恩进行了交谈。
[MUSIC- "RABBIT ACTION" BY JUNIOR THOMPSON & RABBIT ACTION]
[音乐 - JUNIOR THOMPSON 和 RABBIT ACTION 的“RABBIT ACTION”]
Act five, Waiting For the End of the World.
第五幕，等待世界末日。
Well, we end our program today with this story of city life and the natural world coexisting peacefully-- sort of-- from Iggy Scam.
好吧，我们今天以伊基·斯卡姆（Iggy Scam）讲述的城市生活与自然世界和平共处的故事来结束我们的节目。
Take the 22 Fillmore bus in San Francisco south away from downtown to the end of the line.
从市中心南下乘坐 22 路菲尔莫尔巴士到线路终点站。
Get off there on the street of dead end railroad tracks where shopping carts drag in the fog.
在铁轨死胡同的街道上下车，购物车在雾中拖行。
Go down the hill at 20th, past the empty lot on your right, past the old port complex on your left, and past the people living in their cars.
在20号处下山，经过右边的空地，经过左边的旧港口综合体，经过住在车里的人们。
When you get to the impound lot, you can see the bay.
当你到达扣押地时，你可以看到海湾。
A walkway takes you past some abandoned warehouses and then abruptly stops at a fence at a no trespassing sign.
一条走道将带您经过一些废弃的仓库，然后突然停在栅栏旁的禁止侵入标志处。
There is a hole in the fence.
栅栏上有一个洞。
On the other side is a rotten dock where on many nights you can find a mysterious group of men.
另一边是一个腐烂的码头，很多个夜晚你都可以在那里找到一群神秘的人。
They're not loading smuggled drugs or dumping bodies.
他们没有装载走私毒品或倾倒尸体。
They're fishing.
他们在钓鱼。
The EPA says this rotten dock is one of the most polluted parts of the entire San Francisco Bay.
美国环保署表示，这个腐烂的码头是整个旧金山湾污染最严重的地区之一。
The fishermen say it's a great place to catch halibut.
渔民说这里是捕大比目鱼的好地方。
It never fails.
它永远不会失败。
The more filthy and polluted a body of water in a city is, and the harder it is to access, the more guys you'll see fishing in it.
城市中的水体越肮脏、污染越严重，越难进入，你就会看到越多的人在里面钓鱼。
And this isn't exactly scientific, but it seems like I'm seeing these urban fisherman more and more these days, hearing tales about them as I travel across the country.
这并不完全科学，但这些天我似乎越来越多地看到这些城市渔民，在我穿越全国时听到关于他们的故事。
Men with poles, camped out on a railroad bridge over the Sacramento River.
扛着竿子的人们在萨克拉门托河上的一座铁路桥上扎营。
Dark figures with nets in a creek behind a Florida strip mall.
佛罗里达州一家购物中心后面的小溪里，有一些带着网的黑色人影。
And then there's those guys that congregate at the lake in Cleveland where warm water from an electricity plant guarantees good fishing even in the dead of winter.
还有一些人聚集在克利夫兰的湖边，那里发电厂的温水保证即使在隆冬也能很好地钓鱼。
Once a trucker who picked me up when I was hitchhiking on I-75 spent the whole ride excitedly pointing out the roadside ditches where he'd often stop and catch fish.
有一次，当我在 75 号州际公路上搭便车时，一位卡车司机接我，整个行程都兴奋地指着路边的沟渠，他经常在那里停下来钓鱼。
Wherever a ripple breaks the placid, smooth surface of the constructed world, there have been fisherman in there to stick a hook in.
每当一个涟漪打破了这个构建世界的平静、光滑的表面，就会有渔夫在那里扎鱼钩。
Last year, I went out on the road looking for them.
去年，我出去找他们。
Miami.
迈阿密。
According to the WPA guide to Florida, early settlers to Biscayne Bay described waters, "Of every delicate shade of blue and green and tinged with every color of the spectrum.
根据佛罗里达州 WPA 指南，比斯坎湾的早期定居者描述了这片水域，“拥有各种精致的蓝色和绿色色调，并带有光谱中的各种颜色。
A sort of liquid light rather than water, so limped and brilliant is it.
与其说是水，不如说是一种液体光，它是如此的跛行和辉煌。
By all accounts, the fish are practically jumping into the boat."
从各方面来看，鱼几乎都跳进了船。”
Today in Miami, it's still possible to live that early settler life.
如今在迈阿密，人们仍然可以过上早期定居者的生活。
Orange, mango, and avocado trees, their branches heavy with fruit line many residential streets.
许多住宅区的街道上都种植着橘子树、芒果树和鳄梨树，枝条上结满了果实。
And anyone with a machete can harvest the coconuts that grow wild, even on Flagler Street in the heart of downtown.
任何拥有砍刀的人都可以收获野生椰子，甚至在市中心的弗拉格勒街也是如此。
And of course, despite the official health warnings about lead poisoning and the occasional leak of raw sewage into the bay, there's still plenty of fish.
当然，尽管官方发布了有关铅中毒的健康警告，并且偶尔会有未经处理的污水泄漏到海湾中，但这里仍然有大量的鱼。
Most of the Miami River isn't publicly accessible.
迈阿密河的大部分地区不对外开放。
It runs through some boat yards and past residences.
它穿过一些船坞和过去的住宅。
But still, I found a group of Latin guys fishing behind the old Shiners' temple.
但我仍然发现一群拉丁人在古老的闪纳斯神庙后面钓鱼。
The had no fishing poles, but they had rigged up some pretty inspired do-it-yourself gear.
他们没有钓鱼竿，但他们组装了一些非常有灵感的自制装备。
They had tied their lines through holes that they had punched through empty tall cans of malt liquor.
他们把绳子系在空的高麦芽酒罐上打的洞里。
And then they had wrapped the slack line around their cans.
然后他们将松弛的绳子缠绕在罐子上。
Then they unraveled their lines, held their cans with both hands, and waited.
然后他们解开绳子，双手拿着罐子，等待着。
I walked up and said, [SPEAKING SPANISH]?
我走上前说，[说西班牙语]？
One guy, rapidly rolling up his line said in a thick Spanish accent, yeah, I got one now.
一个人迅速卷起电话线，用浓重的西班牙口音说，是的，我现在接到了。
And sure enough, he pulled up a small, black and white spotted fish and laid it out on the concrete seawall.
果然，他拉起一条黑白相间的斑点小鱼，把它放在混凝土海堤上。
All five of us gathered around it for a couple excited moments as a ripple of joy spread among us-- strangers.
我们五个人聚集在它周围，度过了一段激动人心的时刻，喜悦的涟漪在我们这些陌生人之间蔓延开来。
The guy who caught it declared, este for fry pan and dropped it into the bucket.
接住它的人宣称，“este”是煎锅，然后把它扔进了桶里。
But even more sought after in Miami than the free spotted fish dinner are pink gold-- Biscayne Bay shrimp.
但在迈阿密，比免费的斑点鱼晚餐更受追捧的是玫瑰金——比斯坎湾虾。
Shrimping works like this.
捕虾的工作原理是这样的。
First you drive the boat to where you think the shrimp are going to be.
首先，你把船开到你认为虾会出现的地方。
Which is often in the warm water around the Turkey Point nuclear reactor south of Miami.
它通常位于迈阿密以南的土耳其角核反应堆周围的温水中。
Then you put the huge net in the water and drive the boat in a circle.
然后你把大网放入水中，驾驶船绕一圈。
Guys called pickers sort the stuff the net brings in and the shrimp go into buckets, and broken glass and tires go back into the water.
被称为拾荒者的人们对网带来的东西进行分类，虾被放入桶中，碎玻璃和轮胎则返回水中。
It's illegal to sell the shrimp for anything but bait.
除了鱼饵以外出售虾是违法的。
But back on the docks, shrimp are like money.
但回到码头，虾就像金钱一样。
In Miami, it is still possible to buy car parts, new shoes, and tickets to basketball games with a bucket of shrimp.
在迈阿密，用一桶虾仍然可以购买汽车零件、新鞋和篮球比赛门票。
Detroit.
底特律。
The best way to see Detroit and all its glorious decay is to hop a fence and climb 14 flights of stairs to the roof of the abandoned train station just west of downtown.
欣赏底特律及其辉煌衰败的最佳方式是跳过栅栏，爬上 14 层楼梯，到达市中心以西废弃火车站的屋顶。
From this height, the city appears oddly green, as empty lots and wilderness slowly overtake the old metropolis.
从这个高度看，这座城市显得异常绿色，空地和荒野慢慢取代了这座古老的大都市。
Trees grow out of the remains of crumbled houses.
树木从倒塌的房屋残骸中长出。
Seeing how nature has begun to reclaim the Motor City, I could only think of Henry Ford's famous line, "History is bunk."
看到大自然如何开始收复汽车城，我只能想起亨利·福特的名言：“历史是废话。”
My friend, Mitchell, and I drove into Detroit on a bitterly cold morning.
在一个寒冷刺骨的早晨，我和我的朋友米切尔驱车前往底特律。
It was a lonely day in a lonely town.
这是一个孤独小镇里孤独的一天。
We went over to Riverside Park.
我们去了河滨公园。
I had been there once last summer when the sea wall was lined with guys drinking beer and tossing lines.
去年夏天我曾去过那里一次，当时海堤上挤满了喝啤酒、抛竿的人。
On one side of the park there were the old-timers, listening to radios playing soul tunes.
公园的一侧坐着老人们，听着收音机播放的灵魂乐曲。
And on the other side, there were kids who had pulled up and left their car radios on, blasting bass.
而在另一边，有些孩子把车停了下来，并打开了汽车收音机，播放着低音。
But today the park was frozen and empty.
但今天公园结冰了，空无一人。
Mitchell and I took turns halfheartedly tossing our line into the slushy river.
米切尔和我轮流漫不经心地将钓线扔进泥泞的河里。
I wondered what kind of stuff you'd find at the bottom.
我想知道你会在底部找到什么样的东西。
Detroit makes today's obsession with the Millennium and the end of the world seem absurd.
底特律让今天对千禧年和世界末日的痴迷显得荒谬。
What are people talking about when they talk about the end of the world anyway?
无论如何，当人们谈论世界末日时，他们在谈论什么？
I've begun to realize that they're not talking about the actual destruction of the planet.
我开始意识到他们并不是在谈论地球的实际毁灭。
They're talking about something more or like Detroit, the end of a certain way of life.
他们谈论的更像是底特律，某种生活方式的终结。
The end of the world means no more CNN, no more air conditioning, no more ATM machines.
世界末日意味着不再有 CNN、不再有空调、不再有 ATM 机。
And what of the scattered survivors who are already pushing their shopping carts around toxic devastated cities do while they wait for this end of the world?
那些已经推着购物车在有毒物质毁坏的城市里四处奔走的幸存者在等待世界末日的同时又在做什么呢？
Go fishing, of course.
当然是去钓鱼。
Chicago.
芝加哥。
My friend, [?
我的朋友， [？
Joaquin, ?] and I arrived in Chicago and decided to test my theory that the urban fishermen will instinctively find the most polluted waterway in any city.
华金，？]和我抵达芝加哥，决定检验我的理论，即城市渔民会本能地找到任何城市中污染最严重的水道。
We got out a city map and traced the course of the Chicago River south into Lake Calumet, down near the Indiana border.
我们拿出一张城市地图，沿着芝加哥河向南流入卡鲁梅特湖，靠近印第安纳州边境。
Lake Calumet has been used as a garbage dump and now serves as a port for ships navigating the St. Lawrence Seaway.
卡鲁梅特湖曾被用作垃圾场，现在作为圣劳伦斯航道船舶的港口。
On the map, it's surrounded by huge, mysterious, blank white spaces, the real life home of a sewage treatment facility, rail yards, a Ford Motor Company assembly plant, and the now mostly unused sites of an entire century's steel production.
在地图上，它周围是巨大的、神秘的、空白的空间，现实生活中的污水处理设施、铁路站场、福特汽车公司的装配厂，以及现在大部分未使用的整整一个世纪的钢铁生产场地。
The blank white space was exciting.
空白的空间令人兴奋。
It was like the [?
就像[?
Yee ?] dragons here of ancient maps.
是吗？]龙在这里的古代地图。
We hit the 94 and headed south.
我们上了94号公路并向南行驶。
Nearing Lake Calumet, we past blackened smokestacks and iron pipes belching a sick blue flame and came to a dead end at the base of the lake.
靠近卡鲁梅特湖时，我们经过了黑色的烟囱和喷出令人恶心的蓝色火焰的铁管，来到了湖底的死胡同。
Getting out of the car, we saw that the road appeared to crumble directly into a river of thick black muck.
下了车，我们看到道路似乎直接塌陷成一条浓密的黑色淤泥河。
The stench of sewage was overwhelming.
污水的恶臭令人难以忍受。
On a fence was a sign that said sludge drying trough.
栅栏上挂着一个牌子，上面写着污泥干燥槽。
Looking around at what appeared to be miles of such troughs, I thought, here we are, the blank white space on the map.
环顾四周，看到绵延数英里的低谷，我想，我们就在这里，地图上的空白区域。
And of course, at the tip of the dead end was a parked car and two guys drinking beer and fishing.
当然，在死胡同的尽头停着一辆汽车和两个喝啤酒钓鱼的人。
[?
[？
Joaquin ?] went over and did the talking, but it wasn't much of an exchange.
华金？]走过去说话，但这并不是什么交流。
The two guys seemed nervous that we were going to try and steal their secret spot.
这两个家伙似乎很紧张，因为我们要试图窃取他们的秘密地点。
Anything you can catch in Lake Michigan you can catch here, one guy said, as if that explained everything.
一个人说，你在密歇根湖能钓到的任何东西都可以在这里钓到，仿佛这就解释了一切。
Sure, why go all the way to Lake Michigan when you can just mosey on down to your neighborhood sludge drying trough.
当然，当你可以漫步到附近的污泥干燥槽时，为什么要大老远去密歇根湖呢？
San Francisco.
旧金山。
The city of San Francisco's official fishing pier is Pier 7 downtown.
旧金山市的官方钓鱼码头是市中心的 7 号码头。
Every morning the benches at the end of the pier fill up with old Asian guys who come down the hill from Chinatown and spend all day there on the pier, doing some of the most breathtaking, artful fishing that I've ever seen.
每天早上，码头尽头的长凳上都挤满了从唐人街下山来的亚洲老家伙，他们在码头上度过了一整天，进行着我所见过的最令人惊叹、最巧妙的钓鱼活动。
With absolute concentration, never saying a word, they race back and forth between three or four poles as they slowly fill their buckets with fish.
他们全神贯注，一言不发，在三四根竿子之间来回奔跑，慢慢地将鱼装满桶。
The stocks are trading a couple blocks away in the financial district, cars and crowds of tourists race by on the Embarcadero.
股票在几个街区外的金融区交易，内河码头上汽车和游客竞相驶过。
But at the end of the pier, all is quiet.
但在码头的尽头，一切都很安静。
It's almost as if the fishermen themselves create silence.
就好像渔民自己创造了沉默。
The fishermen seem so out of place in today's downtown San Francisco, that it's almost like they've been patiently fishing on the spot for centuries, while the city's great buildings rose and fell around them like the tides.
渔民们在今天的旧金山市中心显得格格不入，就好像他们已经在当地耐心地捕鱼了几个世纪，而这座城市的宏伟建筑则像潮汐一样在他们周围起伏。
I watched one guy who hadn't made a catch all day.
我看到一个家伙一整天都没有接球。
Almost imperceptibly, he started working it.
几乎在不知不觉中，他开始工作了。
His face was as calm and distant as a large ship on the horizon.
他的脸平静而遥远，就像地平线上的一艘大船。
Suddenly, he stood up with a flourish and reeled it in, a small two-foot shark.
突然，他猛地站起来，把一条两英尺长的小鲨鱼卷了进来。
It went into the empty bucket.
它进了空桶。
In the buildings all around us, this decade's fabled economic boom is written in concrete and glass.
在我们周围的建筑物中，这十年传说中的经济繁荣是用混凝土和玻璃写成的。
But the fisherman's near empty bucket suggested that there are some who will remember this time differently.
但渔夫的水桶几乎空了，这表明有些人会以不同的方式记住这一次。
As he leaned his arm back for another cast of the line, the Transamerica Pyramid stood directly behind him, confident of its own indestructibility.
当他向后倾斜手臂准备再次抛掷绳子时，泛美金字塔就站在他身后，对自己的坚不可摧充满信心。
Seeming to say, the big one will never come.
似乎在说，大佬永远不会来了。
These buildings will always grow taller.
这些建筑物总是会越来越高。
The fisherman's bucket will always be empty.
渔夫的桶永远是空的。
But as the late afternoon fog surrounded us and the line hit the water, you couldn't help but think to yourself that anything could happen.
但当午后的雾气包围了我们，绳子落入水中时，你会情不自禁地想，任何事情都有可能发生。
Well, our program was produced today by Julie Snyder and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Susan Burton, Blue Chevigny, and Starlee Kine.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由朱莉·斯奈德和我本人以及亚历克斯·布隆伯格、苏珊·伯顿、布鲁·切维尼和斯塔莉·凯恩共同制作的。
Contributing editors Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, Alix Spiegel, Nancy Updike, and consigliere Sarah Vowell.
特约编辑 Paul Tough、Jack Hitt、Margy Rochlin、Alix Spiegel、Nancy Updike 和顾问 Sarah Vowell。
Production help from Todd Bachmann.
托德·巴赫曼 (Todd Bachmann) 提供制作帮助。
Musical help from Marika Partridge and [?
Marika Partridge 和 [? 的音乐帮助
Terry Hecker.
特里·赫克.
?] Marketing by [UNINTELLIGIBLE] and the friendly folks at PRI.
？] 由 [无法理解] 和 PRI 的友好人员进行营销。
Elizabeth Meister runs our website.
伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。
[ACKNOWLEGEMENTS] If you would like to buy a cassette of this or any of our programs, call us here at WBEZ in Chicago.
[鸣谢] 如果您想购买本节目或我们任何节目的磁带，请致电我们位于芝加哥的 WBEZ。
The phone number 312-832-3380.
电话号码 312-832-3380。
Or you know you can listen to most of our programs for free on the internet at our website www.thislife.org.
或者您知道您可以在我们的网站 www.thislife.org 上免费收听我们的大部分节目。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia who reminds you--
[资金来源] 由 Torey Malatia 进行的 WBEZ 管理监督，他提醒您——
White Sox and Bubbles are coming back to y'all.
白袜队和泡泡队即将回到你们身边。
And I'm not playing.
而且我不玩。
I'm not playing either.
我也不玩了
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。