145: Poultry Slam 1999 - This American Life

145：家禽大满贯 1999

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Prologue Ira Glass In Danielle's house, ever since she was a girl, when holiday dinners come, they serve this meal that might look familiar to you.

序言 Ira Glass 在 Danielle 的家里，从她还是个女孩的时候起，每当节日晚餐到来时，他们都会提供这道你可能看起来很熟悉的饭菜。

The main course on a big platter, drumsticks, white breast meat, stuffing and gravy, cranberry relish on the side.

主菜放在一个大拼盘上，鸡腿，白胸肉，馅料和肉汁，旁边还有蔓越莓调味品。

And in Danielle's family, they have a name for this meal that she told me on the phone.

在丹妮尔的家里，他们给这顿饭起了一个名字，是她在电话里告诉我的。

The name for this meal is--

这顿饭的名字是——

Fish.

鱼。

Ira Glass Well, from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life.

Ira Glass 好吧，来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台，这就是《美国生活》。

A special program today on the wonders of fish.

今天有一个关于鱼类奇迹的特别节目。

Actually, we can say the word here.

其实我们可以在这里说一下。

And the word is poultry.

这个词是家禽。

And as you know, each week on our program we choose some theme, invite a variety of writers and performers to tackle that theme.

如您所知，每周我们的节目都会选择一些主题，邀请各种作家和表演者来解决该主题。

And this week, as we stand now, in that magical five weeks of the year, that magical five weeks between the turkey served at Thanksgiving and the turkey served at Christmas, a period when Americans consume nearly 1/4 of all the turkey consumed in this country every year.

本周，正如我们现在所站的那样，在一年中神奇的五个星期里，感恩节供应火鸡和圣诞节供应火鸡之间神奇的五周，美国人在这段时间内消耗了该国每年消耗的火鸡总量的近 1/4。

67 million turkeys are eaten during this period.

在此期间，人们吃掉了 6700 万只火鸡。

And every year during this important time, This American Life brings you yet another program about poultry.

每年在这个重要时刻，《This American Life》都会为您带来另一个有关家禽的节目。

That's right, stories about turkeys, chickens, ducks, fowl of all kind, and their mysterious hold over us.

没错，就是关于火鸡、鸡、鸭、各种家禽的故事，以及它们对我们的神秘控制。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Coming up in this hour, Act One, Duki.

第一幕即将登场，Duki。

The story of a typical American family, imaginary poultry, and a hand puppet.

一个典型的美国家庭、想象中的家禽和手偶的故事。

Act Two, Still Life with Chicken, what happens when a chicken crosses that thin, yellow line that divides the animals that we eat, on the one hand, and the animals that we keep as pets on the other.

第二幕，《有鸡的静物》，当一只鸡越过那条细细的黄线时会发生什么，这条线将我们吃的动物和我们作为宠物饲养的动物分开。

Act Three, How to do the Funky Chicken, the true story of a multinational chicken company powerful enough to turn a white man into a black man, and the man they chose to do this to, well, an old-time Kentucky colonel who happened to be their own spokesman.

第三幕，如何做时髦鸡，讲述了一家跨国鸡肉公司的真实故事，该公司强大到足以将白人变成黑人，而他们选择的对象是一位肯塔基州老上校，而他恰好是他们自己的代言人。

Act Four, Chicken Diva, yet another testimony to the power that chickens have over our hearts and minds, my friend, an opera about Chicken Little, done with dressed-up Styrofoam balls, sung in Italian, and-- no kidding-- able to make grown men cry.

第四幕《鸡女主角》，再次证明了鸡对我们心灵和思想的影响力，我的朋友，一部关于小鸡的歌剧，用盛装的聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料球完成，用意大利语演唱，而且——不开玩笑——能够让成年男人哭泣。

Stick around and hear it for yourself.

留下来亲自听听。

Act One, Duki.

第一幕，杜基。

So in Danielle's family, the power of poultry is so great in their lives that when they serve chicken or turkey, they call it--

所以在丹妮尔的家里，家禽的力量在他们的生活中是如此巨大，以至于当他们供应鸡肉或火鸡时，他们称其为——

Fish.

鱼。

Ira Glass That's right.

艾拉·格拉斯没错。

And they call it this for a reason.

他们这样称呼它是有原因的。

And the reason has to do with a stuffed hand puppet called Duki.

原因与一个名为杜基（Duki）的毛绒布娃娃有关。

Now, Danielle is a woman over 30 years old.

现在，丹妮尔是一位30多岁的女性。

Her sister Ashley is two years younger.

她的妹妹阿什莉比她小两岁。

Duki has been in the family since they were children.

杜基（Duki）从小就加入了这个家庭。

Well, he was a Christmas present when Ashley was about eight and I was about 10.

嗯，当阿什利八岁、我十岁左右时，他是一份圣诞礼物。

And when he first arrived, he was really fluffy.

当他第一次来的时候，他真的很毛茸茸的。

And he was this beautiful, fluffy, white duck.

他就是这只美丽、毛茸茸的白鸭子。

And he had a cape on and black, kind of, villain slash hero goggles.

他披着斗篷，戴着黑色的、有点像恶棍砍英雄的护目镜。

He lost the outfit pretty quickly and he went naked.

他很快就脱掉了衣服，然后赤身裸体。

And then he became Ashley's vehicle for torturing me.

然后他就成了阿什利折磨我的工具。

Now, it's not unusual for older siblings to dominate younger ones.

现在，年长的兄弟姐妹支配年幼的兄弟姐妹并不罕见。

And as children, Danielle dominated Ashley.

小时候，丹妮尔支配着阿什利。

Ashley looked up to Danielle, fought to get her attention and her approval, and Danielle always, always got her way, except when Duki was around.

阿什利尊敬丹妮尔，努力引起她的注意和认可，而丹妮尔总是，总是如愿以偿，除了杜基在身边的时候。

Basically, Ashley would channel-- I mean, the word's kind of an anachronism in this context-- but she would channel Duki.

基本上，阿什利会引导——我的意思是，这个词在这种情况下有点不合时宜——但她会引导杜基。

She would become Duki's voice.

她将成为杜基的声音。

She would speak as Duki.

她会以杜基的身份说话。

And Duki was sarcastic.

杜基很讽刺。

Duki was selfish and bossy.

杜基自私又专横。

Duki would insult Danielle.

杜基会侮辱丹妮尔。

Duki would tease Danielle.

杜基会取笑丹妮尔。

Duki would give her painful nose squeaks.

杜基会让她的鼻子发出痛苦的吱吱声。

Whenever Ashley brought Duki into the equation, he was completely the dominant force.

每当阿什利将杜基纳入考虑范围时，他就完全是主导力量。

I was just putty in Duki's hands.

我只是杜基手中的油灰。

Let me ask you to compare his personality with Ashley's personality.

让我请你把他的个性与阿什利的个性进行比较。

Ashley's very kind of considerate and-- she's very considerate and kind and thoughtful, and very, very sensitive to other people, very, very concerned about if other people are happy, and if someone or someone else doesn't feel good.

阿什莉非常体贴，她非常体贴、善良、体贴，对其他人非常非常敏感，非常非常关心其他人是否快乐，以及某人或其他人是否感觉不好。

And Duki just has this total, you know, what's-for-lunch attitude.

杜基的态度就是，你知道，午餐吃什么。

Like, what's in it for me?

比如说，这对我来说有什么好处？

In your face, totally out for himself, simultaneously a braggart and a total wimp.

在你面前，完全是为了自己，同时是一个吹牛者和一个彻头彻尾的懦夫。

He's boastful and vain.

他很自负，也很虚荣。

Danielle Mattoon He's just this indomitable spirit.

丹妮尔·马顿他就是这种不屈不挠的精神。

All right, I've been at Danielle's apartment sometimes, and I've witnessed the following scene.

好吧，我有时去过丹妮尔的公寓，我亲眼目睹了下面的场景。

Picture please.

请图片。

Danielle has not spoken with her sister in weeks.

丹妮尔已经好几个星期没有和她姐姐说过话了。

She picks up the phone, calls Ashley in Michigan.

她拿起电话，给密歇根州的阿什利打了电话。

Ashley answers.

阿什利回答。

Danielle asks immediately, can you put Duki on?

Danielle立即问道，你可以穿上Duki吗？

And then Ashley essentially becomes Duki, puts Duki on the phone.

然后 Ashley 就变成了 Duki，让 Duki 接电话。

Danielle talks to Duki for 15, 20 minutes, and then they both hang up.

丹妮尔和杜基聊了 15、20 分钟，然后两人都挂断了电话。

That's the whole conversation.

这就是整个对话。

And they both feel satisfied.

并且两人都感到很满足。

Danielle is an editor at a big New York magazine.

丹妮尔是纽约一家大型杂志的编辑。

I adore Duki.

我喜欢杜基。

I really love Duki.

我真的很喜欢杜基。

And sometimes I think, like, if he disappeared it would really feel like someone died.

有时我想，如果他消失了，真的感觉就像有人死了一样。

I mean, I look at him and he looks really kind of old and ratty.

我的意思是，我看着他，他看上去真的又老又破烂。

And it really makes me sad.

这真的让我很难过。

It kind of really-- I feel like-- I mean, it sounds crazy.

这真的——我觉得——我的意思是，这听起来很疯狂。

I mean, it really makes me sad to think about a world without Duki, and it would be a big, empty hole in the world.

我的意思是，一想到没有 Duki 的世界，我真的感到很难过，这将是世界上一个又大又空的洞。

He kind of takes up as much room in my heart as a lot of people, individually.

他在我心里占据的空间和很多人一样多。

And if something happened to him, you know, if he were like lost in an airport, or kind of run over by a car, I would be-- I mean, it would really be heart-breaking.

如果他出了什么事，你知道，如果他在机场迷路了，或者被车碾过，我会——我的意思是，这真的会令人心碎。

So I hope it's becoming clear why, if you eat dinner in the home of Danielle's family, if they're serving some kind of poultry-- you know, chicken or turkey-- if you ask anybody in the family what's for dinner, they'll tell you--

所以我希望你能清楚为什么，如果你在丹妮尔家吃晚饭，如果他们提供某种家禽——你知道，鸡肉或火鸡——如果你问家里的任何人晚饭吃什么，他们会告诉你——

Fish.

鱼。

Ira Glass Right.

艾拉·格拉斯对。

And the rationale for that is what?

其理由是什么？

It freaks Duki out.

这可把杜基吓坏了。

Ira Glass It freaks him out, though-- you don't like him to know that perhaps some birds are, in fact, eaten?

艾拉·格拉斯：不过，这让他很害怕——你不希望他知道也许有些鸟实际上被吃掉了？

I think he knows.

我想他知道。

I think he's in denial about it.

我认为他对此表示否认。

He's in denial about most things.

他否认大多数事情。

He's in denial about the fact that he's totally weak, and tiny, and dirty.

他否认自己非常虚弱、渺小、肮脏这一事实。

He thinks he's really good-looking and strong and that he's really smart and has a lot of friends.

他认为自己真的很帅，很强壮，而且很聪明，有很多朋友。

He's in denial about the fact that he's actually stuffed, which he is.

他否认自己实际上已经吃饱了，事实上他确实是吃饱了。

Sometimes I tell him that.

有时我会这样告诉他。

I say, Duki, give me a break.

我说，杜基，让我休息一下。

You're just stuffed.

你只是吃饱了。

And he's like, no way.

他就像，没门。

Now, I thought I would try to book Duki to come on the radio for this program.

现在，我想我应该尝试预订杜基来参加这个节目的广播。

So I contacted Danielle's sister Ashley and asked her, you know, could Duki come on the air.

所以我联系了丹妮尔的妹妹阿什莉，问她杜基可以来播音吗？

I received an answer back, not by phone but by electronic mail, that for Duki to appear I'd have to first go through someone named Yona Lu, who I could reach through Danielle and Ashley's mother.

我收到了回复，不是通过电话，而是通过电子邮件，要让杜基出现，我必须首先通过一个名叫尤娜·卢的人，我可以通过丹妮尔和阿什利的母亲联系到他。

And when I talked to Danielle, I asked her about this.

当我和丹妮尔交谈时，我问了她这个问题。

I've been informed that the only way that I can reach him is by calling your mom and speaking to Yona Lu.

我被告知，我能联系到他的唯一方法是打电话给你妈妈并与尤娜·卢通话。

Do I have that name right?

我这个名字对吗？

Yona Lu, yeah.

卢尤娜是的。

I think that she's acting as his agent.

我认为她是他的经纪人。

Yona Lu is?

陆尤娜是？

Danielle Mattoon She's a hedgehog.

丹妮尔·马顿她是一只刺猬。

Anything special that I should say to Yona Lu to make this happen?

为了实现这一目标，我应该对 Yona Lu 说些什么特别的话吗？

I mean, I don't know.

我的意思是，我不知道。

She drives a pretty hard bargain.

她讨价还价相当艰难。

It's Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Mrs. Mattoon Hi, Ira Glass.

马顿夫人你好，艾拉·格拉斯。

Mrs. Mattoon, here's why I called you.

马顿夫人，这就是我打电话给你的原因。

I want to do a little story on the radio about Duki.

我想在广播中讲一个关于杜基的小故事。

Duki?

杜基？

Ira Glass Duki.

艾拉·格拉斯·杜基。

And I contacted your daughter Ashley, and she said that for me to book Duki onto my radio show, I was going to first need to contact Yona Lu.

我联系了你的女儿阿什利（Ashley），她说要让我预订杜基（Duki）参加我的广播节目，我首先需要联系尤娜·卢（Yona Lu）。

[LAUGHS] Yeah, you would need to do that.

[笑]是的，你需要这样做。

And that I needed to do that through you.

我需要通过你来做到这一点。

Who is Yona Lu?

陆尤娜是谁？

Yona Lu is-- she's kind of a-- she's a hedgehog.

尤娜·卢（Yona Lu）是——她有点——她是一只刺猬。

She's basically taken charge of Duki's financial affairs.

她基本上负责Duki的财务事务。

I presume this is something to do with money?

我想这和钱有关系吧？

Well, I don't know, actually.

嗯，实际上我不知道。

I mean, we--

我的意思是，我们——

That's probably why she said to contact Yona Lu.

这大概就是她说要联系Yona Lu的原因。

Well, so what do I do now?

好吧，那我现在该怎么办？

I'm calling.

我正在打电话。

I was told to contact you if I wanted to get in touch with Yona Lu in order to book Duki.

有人告诉我，如果我想与 Yona Lu 联系以预订 Duki，请与您联系。

What do I do next?

接下来我该怎么办？

Book Duki, OK.

预订杜基，好的。

You're going to book Duki?

你要预订杜基吗？

That's the whole idea.

这就是整个想法。

I want to book Duki for the show, for an interview.

我想预订 Duki 参加节目、接受采访。

Well, I'll just talk to Yona Lu about it.

好吧，我会和 Yona Lu 谈谈这件事。

If she says OK, it's OK.

如果她说可以，那就可以了。

I mean, will Yona Lu want to discuss terms or something?

我的意思是，Yona Lu 愿意讨论条款什么的吗？

She doesn't talk.

她不说话。

Ira Glass So what's going to happen?

艾拉·格拉斯那么接下来会发生什么呢？

All right.

好的。

Should I call you back?

我应该给你回电话吗？

You could call me back, or I'll just go in and check.

你可以给我回电话，或者我进去看看。

You'll just go in and check?

你就进去看看吧？

Should I wait?

我应该等待吗？

This is just radio?

这只是广播？

Not TV?

不是电视？

Ira Glass It's just radio.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：这只是收音机。

No. No one's going to be on TV.

不，没有人会上电视。

No, it's strictly radio.

不，这只是广播。

OK.

好的。

Yona doesn't care what happens then.

尤娜不在乎接下来会发生什么。

What if it were TV?

如果是电视呢？

Mrs. Mattoon I think she'd want to be on, too.

马顿夫人我想她也想参加。

I mean, radio doesn't do much for her, she doesn't talk.

我的意思是，收音机对她没有多大作用，她不说话。

All right.

好的。

As you might imagine, not everybody in the family takes all this so lightly.

正如你可能想象的那样，并不是家里的每个人都对这一切如此掉以轻心。

Danielle's father was never too keen on this.

丹妮尔的父亲对此从来不太热衷。

He was quite actually bothered by the whole-- he thought we maybe had a problem in the family.

他实际上对整个事情感到困扰——他认为我们的家庭可能有问题。

Really?

真的吗？

Mrs. Mattoon I mean, for a while there, we had two daughters that only communicated through a duck.

马顿夫人我的意思是，有一段时间我们有两个女儿，她们只能通过一只鸭子交流。

You know, that period that you're describing, when do you mean?

你知道，你所描述的那个时期是什么时候？

I would say they maybe were 10 and 12, or nine and 11.

我想说他们可能是 10 和 12，或者 9 和 11。

And they would only communicate through the duck?

他们只能通过鸭子交流？

Well, Danielle didn't pay a whole lot of attention to Ashley but she paid quite a lot of attention to the duck.

嗯，丹妮尔并没有太关注阿什利，但她对鸭子给予了很多关注。

So if Ashley wanted to get Danielle's attention, all she had to do was rev up the duck.

因此，如果阿什利想引起丹妮尔的注意，她所要做的就是加快鸭子的速度。

How long did this last?

这持续了多久？

Mrs. Mattoon Um, I can't remember.

马顿夫人嗯，我不记得了。

She'd also make Danielle laugh that way.

她也会让丹妮尔那样笑。

Danielle thought Duki was very funny, but I can't remember her thinking Ashley was funny.

丹妮尔认为杜基很有趣，但我不记得她认为阿什利很有趣。

In terms of the relationship between my sister and me-- I don't know why.

至于我和姐姐之间的关系——我不知道为什么。

I mean, this is probably completely really sick-- but I have so much genuine affection and love for Duki that it's very easy, and it's very easy to demonstrate those feelings, in a way that it's not as easy to kind of demonstrate those feelings toward my sister, just because we never kind of got in the habit of it.

我的意思是，这可能完全是病态的——但我对杜基有如此多的真诚的感情和爱，这很容易，而且很容易表现出这些感觉，但在某种程度上，向我姐姐表现出这些感觉并不容易，只是因为我们从来没有养成这种习惯。

What percentage of your relationship with your sister is based on your relationship with Duki?

你和你姐姐的关系有多少比例是基于你和 Duki 的关系？

Well, the really fun part of it is based on my relationship with Duki.

嗯，其中真正有趣的部分是基于我和 Duki 的关系。

But I think as we've gotten older and older, we've gotten more and more self-conscious about the Duki factor in our relationship.

但我认为，随着我们年龄的增长，我们对我们关系中的杜基因素越来越不自在。

But I think kind of a big chunk.

但我认为这是一个很大的块。

I mean, it definitely kind of gives me this vision into her brain that I wouldn't have otherwise.

我的意思是，这确实让我对她的大脑产生了这种洞察力，否则我不会有这种洞察力。

Well, I did finally snag an interview with Duki by calling Ashley.

好吧，我终于通过给阿什利打电话获得了杜基的采访。

Is Duki still up for this?

杜基还在吗？

Ashley Mattoon Yeah, he just got back from a party, though.

阿什利·马顿 (Ashley Mattoon) 是的，不过他刚从派对回来。

Yeah.

是的。

He was at a happy hour thing with a lot of college students.

他和很多大学生一起度过了一段欢乐时光。

He's not in college, but he's in a band.

他没有上大学，但他是一个乐队的成员。

So a lot of his friends go to this happy hour on Friday night.

所以他的很多朋友都会在周五晚上去参加这个欢乐时光。

Uh, sure.

呃，当然。

He's upstairs.

他在楼上。

Just a sec.

只需一秒钟。

Here he is.

他在这里。

Hey, Duki?

嘿，杜基？

Ashley Mattoon As Duki Yeah?

阿什利·马顿饰演杜基是吗？

Hey Ira, how you doing?

嘿，艾拉，你好吗？

I'm just fine.

我很好。

Ashley Mattoon As Duki Long time no see.

阿什利·马顿饰演杜基好久不见。

Long time no see back at you.

好久没有再见到你了。

And welcome to our little radio program.

欢迎来到我们的小型广播节目。

So what's going on here?

那么这是怎么回事呢？

You've got a whole bunch of celebrities on tonight?

今晚有一大群名人来吗？

Well, we actually have a number of different people--

嗯，我们实际上有很多不同的人——

They're just like Tom Cruise.

他们就像汤姆克鲁斯一样。

Now Duki, I was talking to Danielle for our radio program and had her come on and talk about you a little bit.

现在，杜基（Duki），我正在与丹妮尔（Danielle）谈论我们的广播节目，并让她过来谈论一下您。

And one of the things that she said was that when she was younger, in order to discipline her if she was doing something that you didn't like, you could pretty much control her with something called nose squeaks.

她说的一件事是，当她年轻的时候，如果她做了你不喜欢的事情，为了管教她，你几乎可以用一种叫鼻子吱吱声的东西来控制她。

Yeah, because she has this kind of-- it's a prominent nose.

是的，因为她有一个——突出的鼻子。

You know what I mean?

你知道我的意思？

It kind of sticks out and you just want to squeak it.

它有点突出，你只想吱吱叫它。

You know, over Thanksgiving, we're watching the Muppet Show, and Miss Piggy was on, and she reminded me a lot of Neelie.

你知道，感恩节期间，我们正在看布偶秀，猪小姐也在场，她让我想起了很多尼莉。

Of Danielle?

丹妮尔?

Ashley Mattoon As Duki Mm-hmm.

阿什利·马顿饰 Duki 嗯嗯。

And Kermit told Miss Piggy to move the pork.

克米特告诉猪小姐把猪肉移走。

And so I was telling Neelie to move the pork all week.

所以我告诉尼莉整个星期都要把猪肉搬走。

And would she move?

她会搬家吗？

Ashley Mattoon As Duki Yes, she would.

阿什莉·马顿饰演杜基是的，她会的。

She would.

她会的。

Now, if Ashley would tell her-- if Ashley would sit down on the couch and say to Danielle, move the pork, what would the effect of that be?

现在，如果阿什利告诉她——如果阿什利坐在沙发上对丹妮尔说，把猪肉移开，会有什么效果？

Kind of-- you know Neelie.

有点——你认识尼莉。

You know how she looks at you when she doesn't approve of something you say or do?

你知道当她不同意你所说或所做的事情时她会如何看待你吗？

She gets this kind of ice cold stare and she gives you this sidelong glance that makes you feel like you're about the size of a pea?

她的眼神是冰冷的，她斜视你的眼神让你感觉自己只有豌豆那么大？

That's what she does.

这就是她所做的。

Is there anything about the life of a duck that perhaps you could tell our radio audience that we might not know?

关于鸭子的生活，您是否可以告诉我们的广播听众我们可能不知道的任何事情？

You know, I'm sure that you know much more about it than we do.

你知道，我相信你比我们更了解它。

No, not really.

不，不是真的。

I'm kind of an unusual duck.

我是一只不寻常的鸭子。

I'm not really in touch with the whole duck scene.

我对整个鸭子场景不太了解。

You're not in touch with the whole scene.

你没有接触到整个场景。

When I had time, I used to migrate once in a while, because I had some friends who are ducks.

当我有时间的时候，我偶尔会迁移一次，因为我有一些鸭子朋友。

And I try to keep in touch with them.

我努力与他们保持联系。

But lately I've just started spending more time with people and doing my own thing.

但最近我开始花更多的时间与人相处并做自己的事情。

And I just don't have time to do those kinds of duck things anymore.

我只是没有时间再做那些鸭子的事情了。

I just wanted more out of my life than that.

我只是想从我的生活中得到更多。

Duki, a stuffed hand puppet, now lives in New York City.

杜基 (Duki) 是一个毛绒玩具，现居住在纽约市。

[MUSIC -- "SATURDAY NIGHT FISH FRY" BY LOUIS JORDAN]

[音乐——路易斯·乔丹的《周六夜炸鱼》]

Act Two, Still Life with Chicken.

第二幕，《有鸡的静物》。

It was an accident that Jonathan ended up living with a chicken.

乔纳森最终和一只鸡住在一起纯属偶然。

He was not living the kind of lifestyle that one usually associates with chicken.

他的生活方式与人们通常认为的鸡不同。

This was during the period when I considered myself to be a performance artist of sorts.

那是在我认为自己是一名表演艺术家的时期。

A naked performance artist, to be specific.

具体来说，是一位裸体表演艺术家。

These days, Jonathan Gold is a food writer.

如今，乔纳森·戈尔德是一名美食作家。

This all happened 15 years ago in southern California.

这一切都发生在15年前的南加州。

He was putting together a performance.

他正在组织一场表演。

He had a PA system, which could put out the requisite amount of annoying feedback sound at high decibels.

他有一个扩音系统，可以发出必要数量的高分贝恼人的反馈声音。

He had the two full bottles of Glade American Beauty air freshener, which he would spray in their entirety in the performance space.

他有两整瓶 Glade American Beauty 空气清新剂，他会把它们全部喷在表演场地上。

And he had a live chicken which he bought the day before the performance from one of those Chinese poultry markets in Los Angeles.

他还有一只活鸡，是演出前一天从洛杉矶的一个中国家禽市场买的。

And it comes the day of the show.

演出当天到了。

An audience gathers in a darkened warehouse in West LA.

观众聚集在西洛杉矶一个黑暗的仓库里。

I don't know if you've been to a lot of performance art, but this was sort of really typical of the stuff that was going on in the period.

我不知道你是否看过很多行为艺术，但这确实是那个时期发生的事情的典型。

And I showed up and I was naked and I was carrying a machete and I was blindfolded.

我出现了，我赤身裸体，拿着一把砍刀，眼睛被蒙住。

And I stood in the middle of this pile of supermarket chickens.

我站在这堆超市鸡肉的中间。

You know, the broilers that you buy.

你知道，你买的肉鸡。

And the chicken that I had bought was tethered to a three-foot rope around me.

我买的鸡被一根三英尺长的绳子拴在我身上。

And I hacked up and down blindly with the machete.

我还拿着砍刀盲目地上下砍伐。

Well, I was blindfolded, so I didn't know if it was towards the chicken or not.

好吧，我被蒙住了眼睛，所以我不知道它是否是针对鸡的。

And I had fully intended that, in fact, I would kill the chicken in the midst of this performance.

事实上，我完全想在这场表演中杀鸡。

But chickens aren't that stupid.

但鸡没那么傻。

And this chicken wanted no part of the machete.

这只鸡不想要砍刀的一部分。

It stayed at the end of its rope the entire time apparently.

显然，它自始至终都处于束手无策的状态。

And after 10 minutes, when I was completely exhausted, I fell to a heap.

10分钟后，当我完全精疲力尽时，我倒在了地上。

And everybody left and the performance was over.

所有人都离开了，表演也结束了。

I don't know if you've stuck around after an art performance, but the few minutes after an art performance are some of the most depressing in the world.

我不知道你是否在一场艺术表演后留下来，但艺术表演后的几分钟是世界上最令人沮丧的几分钟。

How so?

为何如此？

Jonathan Gold You've done your wad.

乔纳森·戈尔德（Jonathan Gold）：你已经完成了你的工作。

You've done your sort of bit for art, which has either worked or it hasn't.

你已经为艺术做出了自己的贡献，但要么成功，要么失败。

But you're sitting there, you're covered with chicken effluvium, in my case.

但就我而言，你坐在那里，浑身都是鸡臭气。

It stinks to high hell.

臭气熏天。

Everybody's gone and you've got to clean up.

所有人都走了，你必须清理干净。

And you're naked.

而你赤身裸体。

It's really not a pretty picture.

这确实不是一幅美丽的图画。

So Jonathan cleaned up, and when he was done he had a chicken.

于是乔纳森清理干净，清理完毕后，他养了一只鸡。

And he didn't feel like he could kill the chicken.

而且他觉得自己杀不了鸡。

Destiny had brought them together.

命运让他们走到了一起。

He felt like he could not turn his back.

他感觉自己无法回头。

He says it was the same as if a kitten shows up on your back door, scratching and lonely and needy.

他说，这就像一只小猫出现在你的后门上，抓挠、孤独、贫困。

So he took the chicken home.

于是，他把鸡带回家了。

And in doing that, he stumbled across that thin, thin line that separates food items on the one hand from pets on the other, that divides the animals we eat from the animals we love.

在这样做的过程中，他偶然发现了一条细细的界线，它一方面将食品与宠物分开，另一方面将我们吃的动物与我们喜爱的动物分开。

So I get home and I have this chicken, and I don't know what to do with it.

所以我回到家，我有了这只鸡，但我不知道该怎么处理它。

So I spread out some newspaper on the top of my refrigerator and I put the chicken up there.

所以我在冰箱顶上铺了一些报纸，然后把鸡肉放在那里。

I get a can of Green Giant brand niblets from under the counter.

我从柜台下拿了一罐绿巨人牌尼可茨。

And I open it and I put it in a little bowl for the chicken.

我打开它，把它放在一个装鸡肉的小碗里。

And I give the chicken a little water.

我给鸡一点水。

And the chicken's on top of my refrigerator.

鸡肉在我的冰箱顶上。

Because you think chickens eat corn.

因为你认为鸡吃玉米。

You'd read that or something.

你会读过那个或其他东西。

And that was the available corn.

那就是可用的玉米。

That was the available corn.

那是可用的玉米。

I wish I had thought better of the niblets idea.

我希望我能更好地考虑尼比特的想法。

Why?

为什么？

Jonathan Gold Because, in fact, if you're buying three or four cans of niblets a day-- which is what the chicken ate-- and you're existing on almost nothing-- which I was-- then your niblet bill turns out to be like some two-figure percentage of your total income each week.

乔纳森·戈尔德：因为，事实上，如果你每天买三四罐零食——这就是鸡吃的东西——而你几乎什么都没有——就像我一样——那么你的零食账单就相当于你每周总收入的两位数百分比。

I mean, if you can imagine living on $50 a week, but $10 of it goes for niblets, it's just hard to justify an expense like that.

我的意思是，如果你可以想象每周靠 50 美元生活，但其中 10 美元用于购买零食，那么很难证明这样的开支是合理的。

And the chicken stayed there on top of my refrigerator for a long time, months.

这只鸡在我的冰箱顶上呆了很长一段时间，几个月。

Six months, I think.

我想是六个月。

A two-room apartment.

一套两居室的公寓。

I had a kitchen and a bedroom.

我有一个厨房和一间卧室。

So I didn't have to look at the chicken when I was sleeping.

这样我睡觉的时候就不用看鸡了。

Though I did have to look at it when I was cooking.

虽然我做饭的时候确实得看它。

Did you ever cook chicken?

你曾经煮过鸡肉吗？

Jonathan Gold Of course I cooked chicken.

乔纳森·戈尔德当然，我煮了鸡肉。

No, I felt no particular loyalty to this chicken.

不，我对这只鸡没有特别的忠诚度。

I don't know if you've ever had chickens, but it's not like-- I mean, you don't pet chickens.

我不知道你是否养过鸡，但这并不像——我的意思是，你不养鸡。

Chickens don't really like you to pet them.

鸡不太喜欢你抚摸它们。

And you don't hold them.

而你却没有抓住它们。

There's really no love that you feel for a chicken in your life, I don't think.

我不认为你的生活中真的没有对鸡有任何爱。

I kept the chicken because I couldn't bear to do anything else.

我保留了这只鸡，因为我无法忍受做其他事情。

And it's not like I could have carried out onto Pico Boulevard and said, be free, little chicken.

我不可能跑到皮克大道上说，自由吧，小鸡。

Be free.

是自由的。

I never named the chicken.

我从来没有给鸡起过名字。

When I referred to the chicken in public, I always called it the hen.

当我在公共场合提到鸡时，我总是称它为母鸡。

How did you not name it?

你怎么不给它起名字呢？

It was a creature in your house.

它是你家里的一个生物。

The chicken always seemed temporary.

鸡似乎总是暂时的。

It never occurred to me that I might have the chicken as long as six months.

我从来没有想过我可以拥有这只鸡长达六个月。

The chicken always seemed like something that I would have for just a couple days.

鸡肉似乎总是我只吃几天的东西。

And then what did you think was going to happen?

然后你认为会发生什么？

I guess I thought-- A, I thought about the chicken expiring.

我想我以为—— A，我以为鸡肉会过期。

B, I have to admit that there was a possibility that someday I would actually cook the chicken.

B，我不得不承认，有可能有一天我真的会煮鸡肉。

I went through a lot of chicken recipes, hundreds and hundreds of chicken recipes.

我浏览了很多鸡肉食谱，成百上千的鸡肉食谱。

Thinking maybe this'll be the recipe for my niblet-fed chicken?

你想这也许就是我的尼丁喂鸡的食谱吗？

I'm not sure that a recipe existed that would've lived up to the fact of the chicken, this animal who you have come to know on fairly intimate terms, and who you've raised, and you've put a certain amount of emotion into.

我不确定是否有一个食谱能够符合鸡的事实，这种动物是你已经相当亲密地了解的，你养育了它，并且你投入了一定的情感。

A chicken, if I might say, who has seen you naked.

如果我可以说，一只见过你裸体的鸡。

The fact is, we need food to be just food.

事实上，我们需要食物只是食物。

And as soon as it becomes a living thing, especially if we're city people, you know, we're not used to the conversion of living things into our food, it's hard to handle without thinking it has to be bigger than food, you know, without wanting to make it ritualized or something bigger than food.

一旦它成为一种生物，特别是如果我们是城市人，你知道，我们不习惯将生物转化为我们的食物，如果不认为它必须比食物更大，你知道，不想让它仪式化或比食物更大，就很难处理。

Yeah, of course.

是的，当然。

Jonathan Gold A few weeks ago, I was in this Korean restaurant in Koreatown in Los Angeles.

乔纳森·戈尔德 (Jonathan Gold) 几周前，我在洛杉矶韩国城的一家韩国餐厅。

It was this place called The Living Fish Center that I'd always wanted to go because the name of it was so splendid.

我一直想去的就是这个叫“活鱼中心”的地方，因为它的名字实在是太好听了。

You know, Living Fish Center.

你知道，活鱼中心。

I imagined some sort of vast vivarium where Flipper was jumping through hoops and stuff.

我想象了某种巨大的动物饲养场，Flipper 在那里跳过圈子之类的东西。

And I go in there, and of course it's just like a crummy Korean restaurant.

我进去了，当然，它就像一家破烂的韩国餐馆。

I mean, it's not that clean.

我的意思是，它不是那么干净。

And I don't know, there are tanks and stuff, but I didn't know what to order.

我不知道，有坦克之类的东西，但我不知道该点什么。

So I order a fish soup, because it looks like they have a small fish soup specialty on the menu.

And it comes and it's just really strong-smelling and not that great.

它来了，只是气味很浓，而且不太好。

And I try squid fried with bean sauce and onions, which wasn't that happening.

我尝试用豆瓣酱和洋葱炒鱿鱼，但事实并非如此。

And I'm about to give up and pay the check and go home with a vast table filled with uneaten stuff.

我正准备放弃并付清账单，然后带着一张装满未吃东西的大桌子回家。

And it suddenly occurs to me what the specialty of the restaurant is.

我突然想到这家餐厅的特色是什么。

And I wave the waitress over and I tell her that I'd like a prawn.

我挥手让女服务员过来，告诉她我想要一只虾。

And she is puzzled.

她很困惑。

She didn't expect me to ask for a prawn.

她没想到我会要虾。

But I repeat my question, and she shrugs and goes and tells the sushi chef.

但我重复了我的问题，她耸耸肩，走过去告诉寿司厨师。

And he goes to one side of the restaurant and he climbs on this chair, this ordinary folding chair, and he reaches into this long tank that's running just below the ceiling.

他走到餐厅的一侧，爬上这张椅子，这张普通的折叠椅，然后把手伸进这个位于天花板下方的长水箱里。

And he wiggles his fingers in the water.

他在水中扭动手指。

When he wiggles the fingers, the prawns just become enraged.

当他摆动手指时，虾就会被激怒。

And they start nipping at his fingers and they start attacking him.

他们开始咬他的手指并开始攻击他。

And he picks out a couple of the liveliest ones and brings them back to his counter and-- without washing his hands, mind you-- makes a few motions over it.

他挑选了几个最活泼的，把它们带回柜台，然后——请注意，没有洗手——在上面做了几个动作。

And a couple seconds later, the waitress comes over with the prawns on this huge mound of ice.

几秒钟后，女服务员端着巨大冰堆上的虾走了过来。

And what he'd done is he'd taken off the exoskeleton.

他所做的就是脱掉外骨骼。

The head was intact, and that little part of the tail that is always on prawns was still there.

头部完好无损，虾尾上的那一小部分仍然存在。

But the middle part is naked, like a grub.

但中间部分是赤裸的，像蛴螬一样。

And I picked up the prawn with my chopsticks, and it was not dead, this prawn.

我用筷子夹起虾，这虾并没有死。

It was extremely alive.

它非常有活力。

And it was wiggling its legs, and it was wiggling its antennas, and its eyes were swiveling madly on its eye stalks.

它在摆动它的腿，它在摆动它的触角，它的眼睛在它的眼柄上疯狂地转动。

And it was looking back at me, seeing me as actually the predator, the creature that was going to eat it.

它回头看着我，把我视为实际上的掠食者，即将吃掉它的生物。

And that was a really freakish moment, because as much stuff as I eat, and as low as I eat on the food chain, and as many prawns as I have dispatched in my life, I have never before killed a living being with my teeth.

那真是一个奇怪的时刻，因为我吃的东西有多少，食物链上的食物有多少低，我一生中吃过多少虾，我以前从未用牙齿杀死过一个活人。

And the prawn knew what I was going to do and he did not like it.

大虾知道我要做什么，但他不喜欢。

And I wasn't quite sure what to do.

我不太确定该怎么做。

But if I put it down, the prawn would have died anyway.

但如果我放下它，虾无论如何都会死掉。

I mean, it's not going to live without its shell.

我的意思是，没有壳它就无法生存。

Somebody else would have eaten it, blah blah blah.

别人会吃的，哈哈哈哈哈哈。

So I bit into it.

于是我就咬了一口。

I bit its body off with my teeth.

我用牙齿咬掉了它的身体。

And the prawn just relaxed in this way that was really eerie.

而虾就这样放松下来，真是令人毛骨悚然。

And the taste of the prawn, the taste of the meat of it, was extraordinary.

而且虾的味道，它的肉的味道，是非凡的。

It was sweet.

很甜蜜。

It was like there was life coursing through it.

仿佛有生命在其中流淌。

It was the most alive thing I've ever eaten, obviously literally.

But again, it was freaky.

但再一次，这太奇怪了。

It was getting too close to the actual nature of consumption, which is killing a living creature with your teeth.

它太接近消费的实际本质，即用牙齿杀死生物。

And I thought that I'd killed it.

我以为我已经杀了它。

But in fact, when I put it down, it still had so much life in it that it grabbed a piece of salmon sashimi and wouldn't let go of it.

但事实上，当我把它放下的时候，它还有那么多的生命力，它抓起一块三文鱼生鱼片就不肯放手。

And I don't think I ever want to do that again.

我想我再也不想这样做了。

Do you think, in some way, that it's more acceptable to eat an animal if you are more awake to the fact that it is an animal, and what's happened to it?

你是否认为，在某种程度上，如果你更清醒地认识到它是一种动物以及它发生了什么，那么吃它会更容易被接受吗？

Or do you think it really doesn't matter?

还是你认为这真的不重要？

I think it matters a great deal.

我认为这很重要。

I mean, one of the greatest metaphors in Western civilization is that of, you know, Christ, who gave his life so that others might live.

我的意思是，西方文明中最伟大的隐喻之一就是基督，他献出了自己的生命，以便他人能够生存。

And I don't want to be sacrilegious, and I don't want to belittle that myth in any way, but a pig is giving its life so that we might eat.

我不想亵渎神明，也不想以任何方式贬低这个神话，但一头猪正在献出自己的生命，以便我们可以吃东西。

A chicken is giving its life so that we might eat.

一只鸡献出自己的生命，以便我们可以吃东西。

And I think the least that we can do is to think about that chicken, to think about that calf that we're eating, not necessarily to be sad for it, but to celebrate it, to be aware of the being that it was, that it wasn't just this bit of bioengineered protein that somehow managed to find its way onto our plates.

我认为我们至少能做的就是想想那只鸡，想想我们正在吃的那只小牛，不一定要为此感到悲伤，而是要庆祝它，意识到它的存在，意识到它不仅仅是这一点生物工程蛋白质以某种方式设法进入我们的盘子。

Jonathan Gold, food writer for Gourmet magazine.

乔纳森·戈尔德（Jonathan Gold），《美食》杂志的美食作家。

Coming up, a chicken diva just a few inches tall, and how a chicken company changed a white man into a black man.

接下来，一位只有几英寸高的养鸡女主角，以及养鸡公司如何将白人变成黑人。

That's in a minute, from Public Radio International, when our program continues.

稍后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。

It's This American Life.

这就是美国生活。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.

当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。

Today's program, during this period of greatest poultry consumption in our nation, as we do every year at this time on This American Life, we bring you stories of chickens, turkeys, ducks, fowl of all kind, real and imagined.

今天的节目，在我们国家家禽消费量最大的时期，正如我们每年的这个时候在《美国生活》中所做的那样，我们为您带来鸡、火鸡、鸭子以及各种家禽的故事，无论是真实的还是想象的。

Today we bring you new stories and some favorite from poultry shows past.

今天，我们为您带来新的故事和过去家禽表演中的一些最爱。

We have arrived at Act Three of our program.

我们已经到了我们计划的第三幕了。

Act Three, How to do the Funky Chicken.

第三幕，如何做时髦鸡。

Well, thus far on our show, we've heard about imaginary poultry in the life of one family.

嗯，到目前为止，在我们的节目中，我们已经听说过一个家庭生活中虚构的家禽。

We've heard about poultry as pet and poultry as food.

我们听说过家禽作为宠物和家禽作为食物。

In this act, we examine poultry as a business.

在本法案中，我们将家禽视为一项业务。

It is such a powerful business, says reporter Mark Schone, that it is able to recast human identities.

记者马克·舍恩 (Mark Schone) 表示，这是一项非常强大的业务，它能够重塑人类的身份。

Sometimes.

有时。

Anyone older than 30 remembers Colonel Harland Sanders.

任何 30 岁以上的人都会记得哈兰·山德士上校。

He was that plantation Santa in the white suit and string tie, the ancient Southern chicken hawker on the TV ads and the talk shows.

他是那个穿着白色西装、打着领带的种植园圣诞老人，是电视广告和脱口秀节目中古老的南方鸡肉小贩。

He'd flash a crinkly country smile at Mike Douglas and act all down home, sharing a few cracker barrel truths about staying happy in old age.

他会对迈克·道格拉斯露出一个皱巴巴的乡村微笑，然后表现得很自在，分享一些关于晚年保持快乐的精彩真理。

Colonel Sanders insisted that fried chicken didn't harden your arteries, and he lived to be 90 years old to prove it.

桑德斯上校坚称炸鸡不会使动脉硬化，他活到 90 岁也证明了这一点。

Here's the man himself in a promo film from the '60s.

这是 60 年代一部宣传片中的男人本人。

So I set my yeast, made the sponge, and made the light bread and baked it all, and it was the prettiest loaf of bread that I believe that I most ever seen.

所以我设置了酵母，制作了海绵，制作了轻质面包并将其全部烘烤，这是我相信我见过的最漂亮的面包。

So we take my sister and a loaf of bread, and walked this three miles over to [?

所以我们带着我妹妹和一条面包，走了三英里到达[？

Andrewville, ?] across the fields and around the highways, carrying this little sister of mine.

安德鲁维尔，？] 带着我的妹妹穿过田野和高速公路。

And we're taking this loaf of bread in to show mom what we had done, don't you see.

我们拿这条面包来向妈妈展示我们所做的一切，你明白吗？

Now, two decades after he lay in state at the Kentucky capitol building, the Colonel has come back from the dead.

如今，在肯塔基州国会大厦安息二十年后，这位上校又死而复生。

He's returned to deliver a message from the other side, but it's hardly the homespun folk wisdom you'd expect.

他回来传递来自另一方的信息，但这并不是你所期望的朴素的民间智慧。

Hey there!

嘿！

This is your Colonel talking.

这是你们的上校在说话。

Now, I've got something here that is downright fun.

现在，我这里有一些非常有趣的东西。

It's more fun than watchin' me, unless of course Colonel get funky.

这比看我有趣多了，当然，除非上校变得古怪。

Go Colonel, go Colonel.

上校，上校。

Reanimated as a cartoon, the Colonel still has a pink face and white suit, but these days the erstwhile Southern gentleman twirls his cane like Huggy Bear and pimp limps to the greasy beat of old-school '70s funk.

重新以卡通形象复活的上校仍然有着粉红色的脸和白色的西装，但如今，这位昔日的南方绅士像抱抱熊一样旋转着他的手杖，随着 70 年代老派放克音乐的油腻节奏，拉着皮条客跛行。

When he chants, Go Colonel, he's doing the Cabbage Patch, that annoying end zone celebration of a dance, where the arms stick straight out while the shoulders rotate.

当他高呼“上校加油”时，他正在跳“卷心菜补丁”，这是一种恼人的端区庆祝舞蹈，手臂伸直，肩膀旋转。

Since September 9, 1998, in an ad campaign that began on his 108th birthday, the Colonel has Cabbage Patched, tap danced, rapped, and played basketball.

1998 年 9 月 9 日，在上校 108 岁生日那天开始的广告活动中，上校开始跳 Cabbage Patched、跳踢踏舞、说唱和打篮球。

He is not merely risen from the grave, he's risen above the rim, where he catches an alley-oop pass and jams the rock in the hole.

他不仅仅是从坟墓里复活，他还升到了篮筐之上，接住空中接力传球，将石头塞进洞里。

The Colonel is now a black man.

上校现在是一名黑人。

What's it mean when a redneck who dressed like a slave owner comes back from the dead and gets funky?

当一个打扮得像奴隶主的乡巴佬死而复生并变得时髦时，这意味着什么？

For people who actually knew the Colonel, like biographer John Ed Pearce, his racial makeover can be a little jarring.

对于真正认识这位上校的人来说，比如传记作家约翰·埃德·皮尔斯，他的种族转变可能有点不和谐。

I resent it.

我对此很反感。

It depicts the Colonel as a clown, as a song and dance guy.

它将上校描绘成一个小丑，一个歌舞演员。

He was a redneck showman and he believed very deeply and thoroughly in publicity.

他是一个乡下人的表演者，他对宣传有着非常深刻和彻底的信念。

But he was not a clown.

但他不是小丑。

He had a certain innate dignity to him.

他有一种与生俱来的尊严。

A little chicken music please.

请播放一点鸡音乐。

[SINGING] The thigh bone's connected to the wing bone.

[歌唱] 大腿骨与翼骨相连。

The wing bone's connected to the--

翼骨连接到--

He was a showman, though.

不过，他是一位表演家。

Are you saying he would never sing "Dem Bones?"

你是说他永远不会唱“Dem Bones”吗？

No. Mark Schone Wouldn't do a Cabbage Patch dance?

不。Mark Schone 不想跳卷心菜舞吗？

No. That's what I'm trying to say.

不，这就是我想说的。

He was not a clown.

他不是小丑。

Dancing around, twirling his cane, and the Southern accent, which he did not have.

跳舞，转动手杖，还有他没有的南方口音。

The real Harland Sanders was an Indiana hick who left home young and had dozens of different careers.

At one point, he dressed up as the Michelin man and worked the county fairs.

有一次，他打扮成米其林人物，在县集市上工作。

Finally, he settled in southeastern Kentucky and opened a gas station slash motel slash cafe, which became the lab where he perfected his pressure-cooked fried chicken and secret original recipe.

最后，他在肯塔基州东南部定居，并开设了一家加油站斜线汽车旅馆斜线咖啡馆，这成为他完善高压炸鸡和秘密原始食谱的实验室。

For 30 years, he ran the Sanders cafe in Corbin, Kentucky, and earned a rep as a hardass, redneck, potty mouth who really liked the ladies.

他在肯塔基州科尔宾经营了桑德斯咖啡馆 30 年，并赢得了“硬汉、乡巴佬、爱上厕所、真正喜欢女士”的名声。

A woman at the Chamber of Commerce told me that every time Harland came in, why, she had to beat his hands off of her.

商会的一位女士告诉我，每次哈兰德进来时，她都得把他的手从她身上夺走。

And she told him, Harland, get your hands off me.

她告诉他，哈兰德，把你的手从我身上拿开。

I got all I need at home.

我家里有我需要的一切。

When he wasn't cussing and adulterin', he was not loving his neighbor as himself.

当他不咒骂和通奸时，他就没有爱邻如己。

The Colonel welcomed a fight and fought to win by any means necessary.

上校欢迎战斗，并会不择手段地争取胜利。

There are countless tales of him throwing knives, plates, and chunks of concrete, and lashing out with canes and chairs up past the age of 70.

70多岁的时候，有无数关于他扔刀子、盘子和混凝土块，以及用拐杖和椅子猛烈攻击的故事。

This supposed Southern gentleman guarded his turf like a South Central Crip.

这位所谓的南方绅士像中南部的瘸子一样守护着自己的地盘。

In 1931, he and his homies confronted a rival who was painting over his billboards.

1931 年，他和他的兄弟们遇到了一位正在他的广告牌上作画的对手。

The punk was tagging the Colonel's signs.

那个小混混正在标记上校的标志。

Sanders let the bullets rip.

桑德斯让子弹撕裂。

The original recipe gangsta drilled his foe in the breast and thigh.

At KFC, we do chicken right!

在肯德基，我们做的鸡肉是正确的！

And not just in a bucket neither.

也不只是在桶里。

The Colonel?

上校？

He the man.

他这个男人。

The most delicious thought about the commercials that turned Colonel Sanders into a black man is the oh-wouldn't-it-be-so-ironic possibility that this elderly Southerner was a racist.

关于将桑德斯上校变成黑人的广告，最美妙的想法是，这位年长的南方人可能是种族主义者，这不是很讽刺吗？

He did once ride in a parade with segregationist hero George Wallace.

他曾经与种族隔离英雄乔治·华莱士一起参加游行。

His adopted hometown of Corbin was a don't-let-the-sun-set-on-you kind of place, known and feared among Kentucky blacks, particularly after an episode of ethnic cleansing in 1919, when a posse of whites lynched a few local blacks, burned others, and put the survivors on a train out of town.

他的第二故乡科尔宾是一个“不让太阳落在你身上”的地方，肯塔基州的黑人对此既熟悉又害怕，特别是在 1919 年种族清洗之后，一群白人私刑处死了一些当地黑人，烧死了其他人，并将幸存者送上了出城的火车。

And it probably didn't help that halfway through the century, at age 60, Harland Sanders decided to become Colonel Sanders.

到了本世纪中叶，60 岁的哈兰·山德斯 (Harland Sanders) 决定成为桑德斯上校，这可能也无济于事。

Mimicking a Southern planter, he began sporting a white suit, string tie, and walking stick.

A hairdresser died his goatee white to match his hair.

In 1974, the freaky blacksploitation flick, Darktown Strutters , channeled the worst suspicions of blacks and liberals.

1974 年，怪诞的黑人剥削电影《黑暗镇斯特拉特》(Darktown Strutters) 表达了对黑人和自由主义者最严重的怀疑。

The villain of the film is a Colonel Sanders clone whose fast food empire hides an underground Ku Klux Klavern full of racist bikers.

影片中的反派是桑德斯上校的克隆人，他的快餐帝国隐藏着一个充满种族主义摩托车手的地下三K党。

There wasn't a racist bone in his body.

他身上没有种族主义的骨头。

For that fact, he bent over backwards to make a change.

为此，他竭尽全力做出改变。

If the perception of him being a racist was real, he wanted to overcome that.

如果人们确实认为他是种族主义者，他想克服这一点。

As head of public relations for Kentucky Fried Chicken in the late '70s, Ray Callender traveled the country with the Colonel for several years.

He had to kick his boss under the table sometimes to stop him griping to the press about the declining quality of Kentucky Fried Chicken, and he heard a lot of salty language in the back of the Colonel's white Caddy.

有时他不得不在桌子底下踢他的老板，以阻止他向媒体抱怨肯德基的质量下降，并且他在上校的白色球童车后面听到了很多尖酸刻薄的语言。

But as a black man riding shotgun for the very emblem of white southernness, Callender never once caught Sanders saying the n-word.

但作为一个骑着猎枪代表南方白人象征的黑人，卡伦德从来没有发现桑德斯说过“黑鬼”这个词。

And the only close incident that came like that was when he was writing his own little speech in preparation for whatever was going on, and he turned to me and said, he wanted to know what us nice folks were calling ourselves these days.

唯一类似的事件是当他正在写自己的小演讲，为即将发生的事情做准备时，他转向我说，他想知道我们这些好人这些天都在称呼自己什么。

And I looked up and I said, well, what do you mean?

我抬起头说，好吧，你是什么意思？

And he said, well, is-- his term was-- he didn't say nigger.

It was Negra.

是内格拉。

And I said, oh, this is where it comes to a stop.

Nowadays we call ourselves black.

现在我们称自己为黑人。

And then he would say, Well, I wouldn't call you nice folks black.

To the Colonel, black was a derogatory term to him.

And you can imagine coming through that time, that's-- he was raised in that environment.

Of course, when we travelled out, we'd rent limousines.

And in the case with me traveling with the Colonel, I always sat in the back, believe it or not, and he sat up front with the driver.

And what he would do, when we got to the motel where we stayed, he jumped out of the car and ran to the back to open the door for me, and run ahead to the hotel and guide me through the door, and he would carry the bags.

他会做什么，当我们到达我们住的汽车旅馆时，他跳下车，跑到后面为我打开门，然后跑到旅馆前面，引导我进门，他会拎着行李。

And we had, at that point, back in 1976, the doorman came to me, scratching his head, and said, you know, I know that man is Colonel Sanders, that Kentucky Fried Chicken guy, millionaire.

就在那时，早在 1976 年，门卫挠着头对我说，你知道，我知道那个人是桑德斯上校，那个肯德基人，百万富翁。

And I said, yeah.

我说，是的。

And he said, well, who the hell are you?

他说，好吧，你到底是谁？

And the Colonel said, that's my son, but we don't talk about that.

After the Colonel died, his empire got in a mess of trouble, running around like a chicken chain with its head cut off.

There was the unhealthy vibe of that bad word, fried, easily fixed by changing the name to KFC.

“油炸”这个坏词给人一种不健康的感觉，只要把名字改成肯德基就可以轻松解决。

But more importantly, there was the morphing of fast food from carry-out to eat-in.

但更重要的是，快餐从外卖转向堂食。

Buckets of chicken were old-timey, like families eating dinner together at home.

KFC needed new products, like sandwiches, that people could eat in the store for lunch.

And there was the matter of the dead company spokesman.

Last year, after many false starts, KFC solved the product and pitching problems in one fell swoop.

去年，在经历了多次失败之后，肯德基一举解决了产品和推销问题。

It debuted a line of sandwiches and other boneless items, and it brought the Colonel back as a cartoon to sell them.

The impact, says Peter Folds, KFC's chief image and ad director, was immediate.

And that's when we knew we had a hit on our hands, because literally outside of the office you'd have people doing that Cabbage Patch dance and going, go Colonel, go Colonel.

就在那时，我们知道我们已经成功了，因为在办公室外面，人们就会跳卷心菜舞，然后说，上校，上校。

So we knew we had something good on our hands then.

所以我们知道我们手上有一些好东西。

Out in the street.

到了街上。

I mean, people in a store.

我的意思是，商店里的人。

You'd go in a grocery store, and I'd be in an aisle, and I'd see a little kid doing that, showing her mother that she could do that.

你去杂货店，我在过道里，我会看到一个小孩这样做，向她的母亲展示她可以做到。

So just very spontaneous.

所以非常自发。

I am getting a tan.

我晒黑了。

Mark Schone Folds denies the new animated Colonel is in any way urban, to use ad-speak for black.

马克·舍恩·福兹（Mark Schone Folds）否认新动画《上校》在任何方面都是城市化的，用黑人的广告语来说。

He confirms, however, that the KFC brand name is more popular among blacks than whites, and he claims the Cabbage Patch Colonel has been embraced by black consumers.

然而，他证实肯德基品牌在黑人中比白人更受欢迎，并且他声称卷心菜上校已受到黑人消费者的欢迎。

According to Folds, the campaign has clicked so well with everybody in America that sales have risen 6% and KFC's once sleepy lunch hour is jumping.

据Folds称，这项活动在美国每个人都非常受欢迎，销售额增长了6%，肯德基一度沉闷的午餐时间也随之增加。

Again, Ray Callender.

又是雷·卡伦德。

I think the ad campaign is great in more ways than one, because since I did travel with the Colonel, it kind of reminded me of him, kind of nostalgic kind of trip.

我认为这个广告活动在很多方面都很棒，因为自从我和上校一起旅行以来，这让我想起了他，一种怀旧的旅行。

And you think he would be OK with what they've done with his image?

你认为他会同意他们对他的形象所做的一切吗？

I know that, because I know what he was trying to accomplish when he was alive.

我知道这一点，因为我知道他在世时想要实现什么目标。

I mean, at that time, I was travelling with him, he wanted to be more involved in the minority community.

我的意思是，当时我和他一起旅行，他想更多地参与少数族裔社区。

In light of, I think at that time, sales-- more than 40% of our sales-- were from the minority community.

我认为当时的销售额（占我们销售额的 40% 以上）来自少数群体。

And he actually wanted to go learn Spanish and do commercials in Spanish, and visit with the minority community in New York City, in Harlem in particular.

他实际上想去学习西班牙语，用西班牙语拍广告，并拜访纽约市的少数族裔社区，特别是哈莱姆区。

So it sounds like he was, you know, if it would sell some chicken, he would do it.

所以听起来他是，你知道，如果能卖点鸡，他就会这么做。

Keisha, are you ready for this?

凯莎，你准备好了吗？

We can get two pieces of chicken, leg or thigh, a side and a biscuit for just $1.99!

Where?

在哪里？

Woman 2 At KFC, girl!

女人2 在肯德基，女孩！

[CALL WAITING BEEP] One second, Keisha.

[呼叫等待提示音] 等一下，Keisha。

Hello?

你好？

Hey, it's the Colonel.

嘿，这是上校。

Woman 2 The Colonel?

女人2 上校？

I just want to tell you my original recipe chicken is finger-licking kicking!

我只是想告诉你我原来的食谱鸡是舔手指踢！

And my square meal deal is for real!

我的大餐优惠是真的！

The Colonel is free at last.

上校终于自由了。

Thank God Almighty, he's free at last.

感谢全能的上帝，他终于自由了。

And the black man set him free.

黑人释放了他。

An urbanized tune has taken the last lingering stink of the old South off him.

Once upon a time, in true American style, he invented himself.

曾几何时，他以真正的美国风格创造了自己。

And now we are reinventing him.

现在我们正在重塑他。

I confess I have a crush on the new, improved, funky Colonel.

我承认我很喜欢这位新的、改进的、时髦的上校。

His patchwork soul is exactly what makes me get all maudlin about America.

他的拼凑灵魂正是让我对美国感到伤感的原因。

I'm proud to live in a country where any little white boy, from any small redneck town, through hard work and perseverance, can someday, if he's lucky, grow up to be a black man.

我很自豪生活在这样一个国家：任何来自乡下小镇的白人小男孩，通过努力工作和坚持不懈，有一天，如果幸运的话，可以长大成为一名黑人。

Mark Schone is a writer living in Brooklyn.

马克·舍恩 (Mark Schone) 是一位住在布鲁克林的作家。

[MUSIC -- FROM AN OLD DOCUMENTARY ABOUT COLONEL SANDERS]

[音乐——来自一部关于桑德斯上校的旧纪录片]

Act Four, Chicken Diva.

第四幕，鸡女主角。

In the end it seems, when humans are concerned, chickens are what we make of them.

For further evidence, we have this story from Jack Hitt.

Oddly enough, it wasn't Susan who was obsessed with chickens.

It was Kenny, a pal who worked backstage at the 92nd Street Y in New York.

His house was filled with chicken cups, chicken masks.

他的家里堆满了鸡杯、鸡面具。

He got the whole staff onto chickens, including Susan.

For a time there in the '80s, poultry-related jokes and references became the fast way to get a laugh at the Y.

I guess most of us are condemned to see nothing more than the easy comedy of chickens.

我想我们大多数人注定只会看到鸡的简单喜剧。

But Susan Vitucci saw something else, their potential greatness, their hidden beauty, their grandeur.

但苏珊·维图奇看到了其他东西，他们潜在的伟大，他们隐藏的美丽，他们的宏伟。

One day she glued together some finger puppets for a 10-minute rendition of the Chicken Little story for her nephew.

That was 14 years ago.

那是14年前的事了。

Today it is a full-length opera, enjoyed by a cult following whenever it goes up in a workshop or cafe or small theater.

It's still performed with finger puppets, but now it has a complete score written by a noted composer, Henry Krieger, who did Dreamgirls.

它仍然用手指木偶表演，但现在它有一个完整的乐谱，由著名作曲家亨利·克里格（Henry Krieger）创作，他曾创作过《梦幻女孩》。

The Chicken Little opera he wrote with Susan Vitucci is called Love's Fowl.

Needless to say, that's F-O-W-L.

不用说，那就是F-O-W-L。

Well, we were going to start with the opening, the opening [SPEAKING ITALIAN].

好吧，我们要从开场开始，开场[讲意大利语]。

We are the Clothespin Repertory Theater.

我们是衣夹剧目剧院。

And we have a special singing guest for you, which, I don't know--

我们为你们准备了一位特别的歌唱嘉宾，我不知道——

Susan and I are sitting at Henry's baby grand piano.

苏珊和我坐在亨利的小型三角钢琴前。

Henry's guest is his Maltese terrier named Toby.

亨利的客人是他的马耳他梗犬托比。

Yeah, would she sit on your lap for this?

是啊，她会为此坐在你腿上吗？

OK, listen carefully, because once Toby gets going, he actually harmonizes with Henry and Susan.

好吧，仔细听，因为一旦托比开始行动，他实际上就与亨利和苏珊和谐相处了。

[HENRY KRIEGER AND SUSAN VITUCCI SINGING IN ITALIAN WITH DOG]

[亨利·克里格和苏珊·维图奇与狗一起用意大利语唱歌]

You may have noticed that this libretto is in Italian, just like a real opera.

您可能已经注意到，这个剧本是意大利语的，就像真正的歌剧一样。

Before, it was just a bunch of puppets in a box, you know, with a good idea.

以前，这只是盒子里的一堆木偶，你知道，有一个好主意。

And then, suddenly, as soon as it went into Italian, it became something bigger than what it had been.

然后，突然间，当它进入意大利语时，它就变得比原来更大了。

And it's because, when it's in English, we all kind of know it and it's really not that interesting.

这是因为，当它是英语时，我们都知道它，而且它真的没那么有趣。

And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

就像，是啊，是啊，是啊。

As soon as it's in Italian, it gives us enough distance that we can come in.

一旦它是意大利语，它就给了我们足够的距离，让我们可以进来。

It's like the lover who doesn't want you.

就像情人不想要你一样。

You don't want anybody more than you want the one who doesn't want you.

你不想要任何人，正如你不想要那个不想要你的人一样。

Right?

正确的？

And so it's sort of the same thing.

所以这是同一件事。

You may recall that when you last heard of Little, back in kindergarten, she was just an average barn door fowl, who had an acorn drop on her head, which she mistakenly understood to be the sky falling.

你可能还记得，当你最后一次听说利特尔的时候，还是在幼儿园，她只是一只普通的家禽，头上掉了一粒橡子，她误以为这是天塌下来的。

Her alarms excited her friends, Goosey Loosey, Turkey Lurkey, and Ducky Lucky, and they join her for a journey to the king to tell him the important news.

她的警报让她的朋友 Goosey Loosey、Turkey Lurkey 和 Ducky Lucky 兴奋不已，他们和她一起踏上前往国王的旅程，告诉他重要的消息。

On the way, they meet up with Sly Fox.

途中，他们遇到了狡猾的狐狸。

Little's pals eagerly accept his invitation for dinner, literally, as it turns out.

事实证明，利特尔的朋友们热切地接受了他的晚餐邀请。

Fortunately for Little, hunger is not enough to distract her from her mission, and she treks on.

对利特尔来说幸运的是，饥饿不足以分散她对使命的注意力，她继续跋涉。

When she meets the king, he tells her that the sky's not falling, it's just an acorn.

当她遇到国王时，国王告诉她天没有塌下来，只是一颗橡子。

So the enlightened Chicken Little returns to her coop, and that's where the story ends.

于是，开明的小鸡回到了她的鸡舍，故事就此结束。

What are we to take away from Little's experience?

我们可以从利特尔的经历中得到什么？

I like to think it's that Little is rewarded with life, precisely because she went off on this quixotic mission, totally in the grip of a wrong idea.

我喜欢认为利特尔得到了生命的回报，正是因为她完全被一个错误的想法所束缚，开始了这个堂吉诃德式的任务。

The children's fable barely figures into the story.

儿童寓言几乎没有出现在故事中。

It's just one small episode in the life of Chicken Little, now known as La Pulcina Piccola.

这只是小鸡（现在被称为“La Pulcina Piccola”）生活中的一小段插曲。

After the acorn incident, she goes on to become an internationally renowned figure in almost every field imaginable, a diva of politics, academe, theater, art, derring-do.

橡子事件后，她几乎在所有可以想象的领域成为国际知名人物，政治、学术、戏剧、艺术、英勇的天后。

Like Venus, she arrives from some other world, transported on a scallop shell, but the triumphs of her life begin after a youthful love affair with a fighting cock ends bitterly, and she consoles herself-- as we all do at some point in our lives-- by plunging into Shakespeare.

和维纳斯一样，她乘着扇贝壳从另一个世界来到这里，但她一生的胜利始于年轻时与斗鸡的恋情痛苦地结束后，她通过沉浸在莎士比亚的作品中来安慰自己——就像我们所有人在生命中的某个时刻所做的那样。

She becomes an overnight sensation as an actress, celebrated all over the world for one role.

作为一名演员，她一夜成名，并因一个角色而享誉全球。

Juliet?

朱丽叶？

Cleopatra?

克利奥帕特拉？

Ophelia?

奥菲莉亚？

The company then performs an excerpt, a recreation of her signature role, which is Richard III.

随后剧团表演了一段片段，再现了她的标志性角色——理查三世。

Well, you know, I mean, Sarah Bernhardt did Hamlet--

嗯，你知道，我的意思是，莎拉·伯恩哈特演了《哈姆雷特》——

Well, there's a great tradition of women playing the men's roles in Shakespeare, but I think Richard III is one of the more rare roles to be played by a woman.

嗯，莎士比亚有一个由女性扮演男性角色的伟大传统，但我认为理查三世是由女性扮演的较为罕见的角色之一。

Well, that's how adventuresome an actress this chicken was.

嗯，这就是这只鸡的女演员的冒险精神。

I can assure you, there's nothing like watching a four-inch tall finger puppet crying out, a horse!

我可以向你保证，没有什么比看着一个四英寸高的手指木偶喊出“一匹马”更好的了！

A horse!

一匹马！

My kingdom for a horse!

我的马王国！

in Italian.

意大利语。

Not to mention that that puppet is a chicken, surrounded by a whole supporting cast of poultry, and other avian supernumeraries.

更不用说那个木偶是一只鸡，周围是一整群家禽和其他鸟类的辅助演员。

Susan says that, artistically, there's something special about chickens.

苏珊说，从艺术角度来说，鸡有一些特别之处。

They're a clean slate.

他们是一块干净的石板。

You can put anything on them.

你可以在上面放任何东西。

You can project anything onto them, because it's not like they have, to me at least, a very strong personality.

你可以把任何东西投射到他们身上，因为至少对我来说，他们没有很强的个性。

Except for La Pulcina.

除了拉普尔西纳。

In the opera, she moves into the field of archaeology, masters it, needless to say, and makes a great discovery, the last tomb of Gallapatra, but not before she sails the Seven Seas, is shipwrecked, gets rescued, but it's by pirates, and then she meets the pirate king.

在歌剧中，她进入了考古领域，不用说，她掌握了它，并做出了伟大的发现，加拉帕特拉最后的坟墓，但在她航行七大洋之前，遭遇海难，被海盗救起，然后她遇到了海盗王。

As soon as he meets her, he falls in love with her, because of her sweet spirit.

他一见到她，就爱上了她，因为她的甜美气质。

Because she comes in and she says, here you see a little chicken, who, although I'm dripping wet, I'm proud and yellow.

因为她进来时说，这里有一只小鸡，虽然我浑身湿透，但我很自豪，而且很黄。

Let me repeat that lyric for you, in a purer translation.

让我以更纯粹的翻译为您重复一遍这句歌词。

Although I stand before you, a chicken, who is dripping wet, I am proud and I am yellow.

虽然我站在你面前，一只鸡，浑身湿淋淋的，但我骄傲，我黄了。

OK, back to Susan.

好吧，回到苏珊。

And although I have loved and I have lost, I have learned to follow the call of adventure.

尽管我爱过也失去过，但我学会了跟随冒险的召唤。

So let's sail on.

那么，让我们继续航行吧。

[SINGING IN ITALIAN] Jack Hitt Keep in mind that all of the action, like everything that occurs in every Susan Vitucci production, ever since the first one for her nephew, and continuing to this day, occurs among characters created by sticking a small painted Styrofoam ball onto a larger painted Styrofoam ball, poking in two map tacks for eyes, gluing on a tiny felt beak, and then impaling the whole thing on top of one of those really old-fashioned clothes pins that a '40s cartoon figure would clamp to his nose around a chunk of Limburger cheese.

[用意大利语演唱]杰克·希特请记住，所有的动作，就像苏珊·维图奇的每一部作品中发生的一切一样，从为她侄子制作的第一部作品开始，一直持续到今天，都发生在通过将一个小的彩绘聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料球粘在一个较大的彩绘泡沫塑料球上，戳进两个地图钉作为眼睛，粘上一个小毛毡喙，然后将整个东西刺穿在其中一个真正的上面而创建的角色中。老式的衣夹，40 年代的卡通人物会用它夹住一块林堡奶酪夹在鼻子上。

[SINGING IN ITALIAN] And I could go on.

[用意大利语唱歌]我可以继续说下去。

Susan has written, or as she puts it, translated La Pulcina Piccola's diaries, which detail the other adventures that happened in between those in the opera.

苏珊（Susan）撰写，或者正如她所说，翻译了拉普尔西纳·皮科拉（La Pulcina Piccola）的日记，其中详细介绍了歌剧中的人们之间发生的其他冒险经历。

There are 60 pages so far, excerpts of which have appeared in Clotheslines, the official fan club newsletter of the opera.

到目前为止，共有 60 页，其中的摘录已出现在该歌剧的官方歌迷俱乐部时事通讯《晾衣绳》上。

Love's Fowl has a strange effect on people.

爱情之鸟对人有一种奇怪的影响。

I didn't understand it until Susan loaned me a videotape of one performance.

直到苏珊借给我一盘表演的录像带时我才明白。

To be honest, I thought I would be annoyed at the intentional irony and hokeyness of the puppets.

说实话，我以为我会对木偶的故意讽刺和做作感到恼火。

But there I was, with my three-year-old daughter, who loved the show, watching a plastic bird pantomime one of the simplest human moments, but also one of the most profound, the confession of a great love.

但我和我三岁的女儿（她很喜欢这个节目）一起观看了一只塑料鸟的哑剧，这是人类最简单的时刻之一，也是最深刻的时刻之一，是对伟大爱情的表白。

In this case, with a cock robin.

The song that she sings as she enters goes, I am a chicken and ready for love.

她进来时唱的歌是：我是一只鸡，准备好迎接爱情。

My heart is as fragile as the egg from which I was born.

我的心就像诞生我的鸡蛋一样脆弱。

Treat me gently and so will I treat you.

Together from earthly love we will reach for the divine.

我们将一起从尘世的爱中到达神圣的地方。

And then she sings, I am a chicken and I can't fly without love.

然后她唱道，我是一只鸡，没有爱我就无法飞翔。

My heart it is strong as the egg from which I was born.

我的心就像诞生我的鸡蛋一样坚强。

And so forth.

等等。

And so, it is only with cock robin that she flies.

因此，只有与公鸡知更鸟一起，她才能飞翔。

[SINGING IN ITALIAN] Jack Hitt And after they've agreed to fly together, and they're soaring in the air, cock robin is shot and killed, murdered by a jealous sparrow.

[用意大利语唱歌] 杰克·希特在他们同意一起飞翔之后，他们在空中翱翔，知更鸟被一只嫉妒的麻雀射杀。

I couldn't believe it, but I was getting choked up, especially when cock robin appeared on the stage, his Styrofoam body spray painted black for the lament, his little magic marker eyes drawn as X's.

我简直不敢相信，但我简直哽咽了，尤其是当知更鸟出现在舞台上时，他的泡沫塑料身体喷漆成黑色以表达哀悼，他的小魔法标记眼睛被画成X的。

I gathered my daughter in my arms and held on tight as I was helplessly drawn into an expression of the grief and suffering of this little sad bird.

我把女儿抱在怀里，紧紧地抱住，我无助地陷入了这只悲伤小鸟的悲伤和痛苦的表情中。

In this era of slick special effects, there was something unexpectedly liberating in the marriage of this crude medium, painted Styrofoam balls bobbing up and down behind a cardboard box, and the high melodramatic art of Italian opera.

在这个特效华丽的时代，这种粗糙的媒介、在纸板箱后面上下摆动的彩色聚苯乙烯泡沫塑料球和意大利歌剧的高度戏剧性艺术的结合，带来了意想不到的解放。

Picture it.

想象一下。

[SINGING IN ITALIAN] I want a subscription to that newsletter.

[用意大利语唱歌]我想要订阅该时事通讯。

Are you going to do this?

你打算这样做吗？

I mean, are you going to be working with Pulcina Piccola you think for the rest of your life?

我的意思是，你会和 Pulcina Piccola 一起工作一辈子吗？

It's possible.

这是有可能的。

And I like working with her because I get to go into a world that's inhabited by a very sweet spirit and play with the mechanics of the world.

我喜欢和她一起工作，因为我可以进入一个充满甜蜜精神的世界，并玩弄这个世界的机制。

And because it's very small-- like, I could never have afforded to produce this show with people.

因为它很小——就像，我永远不可能负担得起与人一起制作这个节目。

But I could afford to do it with clothespins.

So I can do as big a production as I want with clothespins.

这样我就可以用衣夹制作尽可能大的作品。

I can have stuff fly in and out and come in from traps, and I can have all kinds of fancy, flashy stuff that costs millions of dollars to do on Broadway.

我可以让东西飞进飞出，从陷阱里飞进来，我可以拥有各种花哨、华丽的东西，这些东西在百老汇要花费数百万美元才能完成。

And it cost me $200 because I had to buy lots and lots of Styrofoam and clothespins and stuff, and all this, and a new table maybe, and I get to do whatever I want.

这花了我 200 美元，因为我必须买很多很多泡沫塑料、衣夹之类的东西，还有所有这些，也许还有一张新桌子，我可以做任何我想做的事。

[SINGING IN ITALIAN] Ira Glass Jack Hitt's a writer who lives in New Haven.

[用意大利语唱歌] Ira Glass Jack Hitt 是一位住在纽黑文的作家。

Well, our program was produced today by Alex Blumberg and myself, with Susan Burton, Blue Chevigny, Alix Spiegel, Julie Snyder, and Nancy Updike.

好吧，我们今天的节目由 Alex Blumberg 和我本人以及 Susan Burton、Blue Chevigny、Alix Spiegel、Julie Snyder 和 Nancy Updike 制作。

Musical help from John Connors.

Thanks also to Larry Josephson and Jay Hedblade.

Elizabeth Meister runs our website.

伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。

Susan Vitucci's opera about Chicken Little is available on CD at www.pulcina.org.

苏珊·维图奇 (Susan Vitucci) 创作的关于小鸡 (Chicken Little) 的歌剧 CD 可以在 www.pulcina.org 上找到。

That's pulcina spelled, of course, P-U-L-C-I-N-A.org.

当然，这是 pulcina 的拼写，P-U-L-C-I-N-A.org。

To buy a cassette of this or any of our non-poultry oriented shows, call us here at WBEZ in Chicago, 312-832-3380.

要购买本节目或任何非家禽类节目的磁带，请致电芝加哥 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。

Or visit our website, where you can also listen to our programs for free, www.thisamericanlife.org.

或者访问我们的网站，您还可以免费收听我们的节目：www.thisamericanlife.org。

This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.

《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。

[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who decided he did not want to come onto our program after he asked just one question.

[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 负责监督，他只问了一个问题就决定不想加入我们的项目。

This is just radio?

这只是广播？

Not TV?

不是电视？

Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.

艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。

中文为机器翻译，仅供参考。