14: Accidental Documentaries - This American Life

14：意外的纪录片

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Prologue Different Voices From PRI, Public Radio International.

序言来自国际公共广播电台 PRI 的不同声音。

From PRI, Public Radio International.

来自国际公共广播电台 PRI。

From PRI, Public Radio International.

来自国际公共广播电台 PRI。

Public Radio.

公共广播电台。

Public-- Radio International.

公共——国际广播电台。

Radio International.

国际广播电台。

One more time.

再一次。

From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life.

来自芝加哥 WBEZ 的《This American Life》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

A few years ago, I was putting together a story about a high school senior prom.

几年前，我正在整理一个关于高中毕业舞会的故事。

And after the prom, I tagged along with two couples in a Ford Tempo, as they drove around, going to parties, talking, and joking, and singing along with the radio.

舞会结束后，我开着一辆福特 Tempo 跟随着两对夫妇，他们开车四处走动，去参加聚会，聊天、开玩笑，并随着收音机唱歌。

We drove to pick up a friend of theirs at her house, but all the lights at her house were off, and nobody seemed at home.

我们开车去他们的一个朋友家接她，但她家所有的灯都灭了，似乎没人在家。

Wait, this isn't her house.

等等，这不是她家。

This isn't her house.

这不是她的家。

Really?

真的吗？

I don't remember this being her house.

我不记得这是她的家。

Is it?

是吗？

You guys have been friends for such a long time, you don't even know where her house is, man.

你们已经是这么长时间的朋友了，你甚至不知道她的房子在哪里，伙计。

Hey, hey, this is her new house, all right?

嘿嘿嘿，这是她的新家好吗？

All right?

好的？

Ira Glass A word now about doing documentary stories.

艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 现在谈谈纪录片的制作。

When you're doing this kind of story, this is pretty much exactly the kind of moment that you dream of.

当你在写这样的故事时，这几乎正是你梦想的时刻。

Everybody's acting the way they act when there's no tape recorder present.

每个人都按照没有录音机时的方式行事。

It's intimate.

很亲密。

It's alive.

它还活着。

You feel like you're hearing these people as they really are even though there is a tape recorder and a boom microphone, a huge one, a foot and a half long, and a stranger.

尽管有一台录音机和一个长达一英尺半的巨大麦克风，而且还是一个陌生人，但你感觉自己正在听到这些人的真实声音。

And to get to this point, you have to spend hours with people, get them used to you, get them to the point where they're actually bored with being recorded.

为了达到这一点，你必须花几个小时和人们在一起，让他们习惯你，让他们真正厌倦被录音。

And I tell you all this really only as a prelude to telling you this story.

我告诉你们这一切实际上只是作为告诉你们这个故事的前奏。

A while back, a guy named Joe Silovsky bought some old reel-to-reel tapes at a Salvation Army thrift store.

不久前，一个名叫乔·西洛夫斯基的人在救世军旧货店买了一些旧的卷轴磁带。

And he took them home.

他把它们带回家。

And one of those tapes had exactly this quality tape on it, like in a really good documentary, that is, the people spoke the way that they really talk in real life.

其中一盘磁带上的磁带质量非常好，就像一部非常好的纪录片一样，也就是说，人们说话的方式与他们在现实生活中真正说话的方式一样。

It was intimate.

这是很亲密的。

And it completely revealed what the people speaking were like.

而且完全暴露了说话的人是什么样的。

And hearing that tape gave us the idea for today's program, that we're going to devote the whole show to three stories made out of found tape like this.

听到那盘磁带给了我们今天节目的想法，我们将把整个节目奉献给用这样的找到的磁带制作的三个故事。

Accidental Documentaries, we call them.

我们称之为意外纪录片。

Act One takes place 30 years ago in Michigan.

第一幕发生在 30 年前的密歇根州。

Act Two happens 40 years ago in my hometown, Baltimore.

第二幕发生在 40 年前的我的家乡巴尔的摩。

And Act Three happens 25 years ago here in Chicago.

第三幕发生在 25 年前的芝加哥。

Stay with us.

留在我们身边。

Act One, Berrien Springs, Michigan.

第一幕，密歇根州贝林斯普林斯。

The tape that Joe Silovsky found is from 1967.

乔·西洛夫斯基发现的磁带是 1967 年的。

It came in one of those boxes.

它装在其中一个盒子里。

I don't know if you remember these boxes that reel-to-reel tape came in in the '60s, and '70s, and '80s.

我不知道你是否还记得 60 年代、70 年代和 80 年代出现的卷轴磁带盒。

And it fits two hours of tape.

它适合两个小时的磁带。

It's not that big.

没那么大。

It's nine-inch reel of tape, two hours of tape.

这是一卷九英寸的磁带，两个小时的磁带。

And the box had stamps all over it, and addresses written, and crossed out, and written.

盒子上贴满了邮票，写着地址，划掉，又写上。

And what it was was a letter on tape between this family in Michigan, the Davis family, and their son, Arthur, Junior, who was in medical school in Loma Linda, California.

这是密歇根州戴维斯一家和他们的儿子小亚瑟之间的一封录音信，小亚瑟在加利福尼亚州洛马琳达医学院上学。

And the tape is interesting because it documents pretty thoroughly life in this one American family.

这盘磁带很有趣，因为它相当彻底地记录了这个美国家庭的生活。

Hello, son.

你好，儿子。

There isn't much news.

没有太多消息。

Grace was over one day.

格雷斯结束了一天。

And she was feeling so bad about her marital situation.

她对自己的婚姻状况感到非常糟糕。

So I gave her this reality therapy book.

所以我给了她这本现实治疗书。

And by the way, I sent you one, son.

顺便说一句，我给你寄了一封，儿子。

You'll be getting it in the mail soon.

您很快就会通过邮件收到它。

I had it sent right direct to you.

我直接把它寄给你了。

It isn't that I think you need it.

我认为你并不需要它。

It's just a new insight on mental health, mental illness, that I think is good.

我认为这只是对心理健康、精神疾病的新见解，很好。

I probably told you about the chapter I read to Jimmy when we were riding to Mrs. Lester's voice lesson.

我可能告诉过你当我们骑车去参加莱斯特夫人的声乐课时我读给吉米听的那一章。

And it was a chapter on nagging.

这是关于唠叨的一章。

Smart wives don't have to nag.

聪明的妻子不必唠叨。

And it was so interesting.

这太有趣了。

Halfway through it, I realized that this was written for me because I do nag quite a bit.

读到一半，我意识到这是为我写的，因为我确实很唠叨。

And here, it brought out that sometimes a person nags because they want to feel superior.

在这里，它表明有时一个人唠叨是因为他们想要感觉优越。

Each time they-- well, here, I'll read it, son.

每次他们——好吧，在这里，我会读它，儿子。

"If you stop to think about it, you know perfectly well that this sort of nagging, that means nagging to get things done and things, isn't correcting the evil of what you complain.

“如果你停下来想一想，你就会清楚地知道，这种唠叨，意味着为了把事情做好而唠叨，并不能纠正你抱怨的邪恶之处。

It's only making you feel important, virtuous, and superior.

它只会让你感觉自己很重要、有道德、很优越。

So for goodness sake, find some more constructive way of enhancing your feeling of virtue if it's so badly in need of being enhanced."

因此，看在上帝的份上，如果你的美德感如此急需增强，那就找一些更有建设性的方法来增强它吧。”

Daddy has been very, very busy working in the basement.

爸爸在地下室工作一直非常非常忙碌。

One of the machines is broken down.

其中一台机器坏了。

And true to form, it's taken him a long, long time to fix it.

一如既往，他花了很长很长的时间才修复它。

We're behind as usual on strips.

我们像往常一样在地带上落后。

Jack goofed, I guess, in his order of extrusions.

我猜，杰克按照他的挤压顺序犯了错误。

And we are out of extrusions and won't be having them until Friday.

我们的挤压产品已经用完了，要到周五才会有。

I made $50 in one week and a half.

我在一个半星期内赚了 50 美元。

That's when I bought-- I bought your suit, and paid my tithe, and things like this.

就在那时我买了——我买了你的衣服，并支付了我的什一税，诸如此类的事情。

Well, son, I'll say goodbye.

好吧，儿子，我要说再见了。

But thank you for your words of advice as far as my resting.

但谢谢你对我休息的建议。

And thank you for being concerned about my welfare.

感谢您关心我的福利。

I really have gotten along quite well recently.

我最近确实相处得很好。

I didn't feel too bad of depression last month.

上个月我并没有因为抑郁症而感到太难受。

Well, here I go.

好吧，我开始了。

We'll see you again.

我们会再次见到你。

And I'll let someone else talk on the tape.

我会让其他人在磁带上讲话。

Bye-bye.

再见。

Hello, Joe.

你好，乔。

How do you like this big tape anyhow?

你觉得这个大磁带怎么样？

Isn't this pretty neat?

这不是很整洁吗？

I don't know if we ever get the thing filled up.

我不知道我们是否能把东西填满。

And if we do get it filled up, I don't know whether you'll ever have the time to listen to it or not.

如果我们真的把它填满了，我不知道你是否有时间听。

Things are surely busy around here.

这里肯定很忙。

They're really popping.

他们真的很流行。

I didn't get to bed 'til after 1 o'clock though.

不过直到1点多我才上床睡觉。

I was working downstairs, and I had work ready to take up to Jack's today, so we can get paid.

我当时在楼下工作，今天我已经准备好去杰克家工作，这样我们就可以得到报酬。

We don't have any strips right now though.

不过我们现在没有任何条带。

I guess I got a call for supper, so I'll come back later.

我想我接到了吃晚饭的电话，所以我稍后再回来。

I heard a little story that I thought I would tell you, Joe.

我听到一个小故事，我想告诉你，乔。

Mom reminded me at the supper table.

妈妈在晚饭桌上提醒了我。

I just got back from eating supper.

我刚吃完晚饭回来。

There were a couple out.

有一对夫妇出去了。

They were getting acquainted, shall we say, doing a little French kissing.

容我们说，他们通过法式接吻逐渐熟悉起来。

And the fella said, "Oh, I think I got your gum." And she said, "No." She said, "I got a bad cold." So I'll leave you with that little thought for the time being.

那家伙说：“哦，我想我得到了你的口香糖。”她说：“不。”她说：“我得了重感冒。”所以我暂时留给你这个小想法。

Hi, Joe.

嗨，乔。

I just got through talking to you on the phone.

我刚刚和你通了电话。

Little Kenny [?

小肯尼[?

Jacques, ?] who I don't know if you remember him or not, but he's Quint [?

雅克，？]我不知道你是否还记得他，但他是昆特[？

Jacques's ?] oldest son, got married last March.

雅克的？] 大儿子，去年三月结婚。

And his girlfriend was here in school.

他的女朋友也在学校里。

And they were intending to keep it quiet until after school was out, but I guess he's pregnant now.

他们本来打算在放学之前保密，但我猜他现在怀孕了。

So I suppose when you fool around, and do things like that, why, I suppose that's the price you're prepared to take.

所以我想当你胡闹并做类似的事情时，为什么，我想这就是你准备接受的代价。

But I guess he's still in the Army.

但我猜他还在军队里。

I saw him tonight in the drive-in.

今晚我在汽车影院看到了他。

They look real happy together.

他们在一起看起来真的很幸福。

She seems like a real nice little girl, almost too nice for him.

她看起来真是个很好的小女孩，对他来说几乎太好了。

He's a real nice fella, but he's quite mentally retarded, I think.

他是一个非常好的小伙子，但我认为他很弱智。

At least, he may not be mentally retarded, but he has an awful time in school trying to figure out his ABC's.

至少，他可能不是弱智，但他在学校里试图弄清楚他的ABC 的时候过得很糟糕。

Anyway, that's the way it goes.

无论如何，事情就是这样。

And she seems to be real happy with him.

而且她似乎对他很满意。

She went with Carl Hamel before.

她之前和卡尔·哈梅尔一起去过。

And she seems like a good Christian girl.

她看起来像是一个虔诚的基督徒女孩。

She's got one hand that's deformed.

她的一只手已经变形了。

I suppose that makes her feel like it'd be awfully for her to get anybody.

我想这让她觉得如果她找到任何人的话，那对她来说是非常糟糕的。

So she probably thought she'd take whatever she could get.

所以她可能认为她会拿走她能得到的一切。

It was interesting as we visited Aunt Menta and Uncle Wendall's this weekend.

这很有趣，因为我们这个周末参观了门塔阿姨和温德尔叔叔的家。

We just had a real nice time.

我们刚刚度过了一段非常愉快的时光。

But I felt a little odd about going and suggested in a very small way that Art ought to call Menta.

但我对去感到有点奇怪，并以一种非常小的方式建议艺术应该称为门塔。

But sometimes he gets real negative about my suggestions.

但有时他会对我的建议感到非常消极。

And I realized that it's because many times I perhaps force myself on him.

我意识到这是因为很多时候我可能强迫自己对他。

So I didn't say anything until about 50 miles before we got there.

所以我什么也没说，直到我们到达那里之前大约 50 英里。

I really felt as though Menta should know we were coming.

我真的觉得门塔应该知道我们要来。

I should have written and told her.

我应该写信告诉她。

But I've left the communication with his family to Daddy.

但我已经把和他家人的联系留给了爸爸。

Well, he got a little bit vexed, and jumped out of the car, and went to the telephone, saying, "I hope you're satisfied now." But when he came back, Menta hadn't realized we were coming.

好吧，他有点恼火了，跳下车，走到电话那儿，说道：“希望你现在满意了。”但当他回来时，门塔并没有意识到我们要来。

And we were all grateful that we'd made the telephone call even though I didn't want to be right and say, "I told you so." Because it wouldn't have been nice to have walked in on them at a quarter to 10:00 at night.

我们都很感激我们打了电话，尽管我不想说“我告诉过你了”。因为如果在晚上 10:00 一刻钟走进他们，那就不太好了。

It was interesting how genuinely they accepted us.

有趣的是他们是多么真诚地接受我们。

I don't know if I could be that gracious or not.

我不知道我是否可以那么仁慈。

Although they live such different lives.

尽管他们过着截然不同的生活。

They had no plans for the weekend.

他们周末没有计划。

We came.

我们来了。

This was fine.

这很好。

And we ate what they had.

我们吃了他们有的东西。

And this was it.

就是这样。

But I think of if the situation were reversed and Ment and Wendall dropped in on us, how many times we have company over the weekend, we have to go to functions, and we have music lessons, and things like this, and our lives are so completely different.

但我想到如果情况反过来，门特和温德尔来找我们，我们周末会有多少次陪伴，我们必须去参加活动，我们有音乐课，诸如此类的事情，我们的生活就会完全不同。

It's interesting that we just spent all day sitting without doing anything at all.

有趣的是，我们一整天都坐着，什么也没做。

And this is so unusual for us.

这对我们来说太不寻常了。

And even though I don't suppose I could do it every week, it did seem good for one week, just to sit, and look at each other, and talk.

尽管我不认为我可以每周都这样做，但只要坐下来，互相看着对方，聊聊一周，似乎确实不错。

Ment and Wendall are sweet people really.

门特和温德尔确实是一群可爱的人。

It's very difficult for me not to judge a person's Christian experience.

对我来说，不去评判一个人的基督徒经历是非常困难的。

Darlene was voicing her experience last night.

达琳讲述了她昨晚的经历。

Art was a little bit perturbed because her skirt was too short.

阿特有些不安，因为她的裙子太短了。

And Darlene was telling me that, really, she, in a way, resented Daddy's religion because it seemed to be so void of actual feeling and love.

达琳告诉我，实际上，她在某种程度上讨厌爸爸的宗教信仰，因为它似乎缺乏实际的感情和爱。

And I felt rather bad this morning.

今天早上我感觉很糟糕。

I got up to have my worship.

我起身去敬拜。

I neglected it over the weekend.

我周末忽略了它。

And I got up to have my worship.

我起身进行敬拜。

And as I did, Daddy came in and sat down beside me.

当我这样做的时候，爸爸进来了，坐在我旁边。

And I felt rather funny because I really feel that he does this as a duty more than anything else.

我觉得很有趣，因为我真的觉得他这样做是一种责任，而不是其他任何事情。

And when I have my worship, I feel communication with God, and I enjoy what I'm reading.

当我进行敬拜时，我感受到与上帝的交流，并且我喜欢我正在阅读的内容。

And when Daddy came in, there was just a-- I don't know.

当爸爸进来时，只有一个——我不知道。

I suppose you'd call it an inner resentment.

我想你会称之为内心的怨恨。

I didn't know quite what to do.

我完全不知道该怎么办。

I was right in the middle of reading a chapter.

我正在读一章。

So for the first time in my life, rather than to try to anticipate what he wanted and his needs, I just let him sit there.

因此，这是我一生中第一次，我没有试图预测他想要什么和他的需求，而是让他坐在那里。

And I thought if he would say to me, "Could I have worship with you?" it would be fine.

我想他是否会对我说：“我可以和你一起做礼拜吗？”那就可以了。

But he didn't.

但他没有。

So I just continued reading and didn't say anything at all.

于是我就继续看书，什么也没说。

He sat there for a little while, and then he left.

他在那里坐了一会儿，然后就离开了。

Hi, Joe.

嗨，乔。

That was sure nice to hear from you the other night.

那天晚上很高兴收到你的来信。

What I wanted to talk to you about tonight was I wanted to tell you about our power feed.

今晚我想和你们谈谈的是我想告诉你们我们的供电。

This power feed that I made, we got that going now.

我制作的电源，我们现在就开始了。

So I got a hydraulic cylinder from Bimba, put that on there, and put some microswitches on there.

所以我从 Bimba 买了一个液压缸，把它放在那里，并在那里放了一些微动开关。

And as the thing goes up, it pulls the chain around the sprocket.

当物体上升时，它会拉动链轮周围的链条。

I think that if Daddy feels a spiritual lack and feels a need, then he, himself, ought to be the aggressive one and fulfill this need in his own way.

我想，如果爸爸感到精神上的缺乏，感到有需要，那么他自己就应该积极进取，用自己的方式来满足这种需要。

So put that sprocket on there.

所以把链轮放在那里。

And as the cylinder goes in, it pulls the chain that goes around the sprocket, it pulls it up and pushes the drill down.

当气缸进入时，它会拉动围绕链轮的链条，将其向上拉并向下推动钻头。

I would love to begin to have worship with Daddy, together, as husband and wife.

我很乐意开始以丈夫和妻子的身份与爸爸一起敬拜。

And then when it gets to the other microswitch, why, it comes back.

然后当它到达另一个微动开关时，为什么，它又回来了。

And as it comes back, we've got weights on the other side of the sprocket, pulling the chain in the other direction.

当它返回时，链轮的另一侧有重物，将链条拉向另一个方向。

We certainly have begun to enjoy many relationships that are very, very fulfilling in our marriage.

我们当然已经开始享受婚姻中许多非常非常充实的关系。

But as far as this worship is concerned, it seems as though I'm always the one that has to make the initiative, plunge and say, "Well, come, have worship with me," and select things that are inspiring.

但就这种敬拜而言，似乎我总是那个必须采取主动的人，投入并说：“好吧，来吧，和我一起敬拜”，并选择那些鼓舞人心的事情。

And I think this is wrong.

我认为这是错误的。

And this new compressor works like a dream.

这款新型压缩机的工作效果就像梦一样。

It really is doing a good job for us, which makes us very happy.

它确实为我们做了一件好事，这让我们非常高兴。

We're real happy with the results we're getting so far.

我们对迄今为止所取得的成果感到非常满意。

I was reading an article last week, where we, so many times, try to fit people into our own pattern rather than to understand their background and appreciate their own pattern.

我上周读了一篇文章，其中我们很多次试图让人们适应我们自己的模式，而不是了解他们的背景并欣赏他们自己的模式。

And I think that he ought to fulfill his spiritual needs in his own way.

我认为他应该用自己的方式来满足他的精神需求。

Ken is going to come over.

肯要过来了。

Ken Scholski.

肯·斯科尔斯基.

I don't know whether you know him or not.

我不知道你是否认识他。

But he does real good at drilling the big holes.

但他确实很擅长钻大洞。

So he's going to come over and drill a couple hundred of the strips with the big holes for us.

所以他会过来为我们钻几百个带大孔的条带。

So we can at least get into production again by tomorrow night.

所以我们至少可以在明晚之前再次投入生产。

Because I don't really know the depths of his spirituality and his basic needs.

因为我不太了解他的灵性深度和他的基本需求。

This one is practically foolproof, as long as we don't put too much air pressure on it and drive it too hard.

这个实际上是万无一失的，只要我们不给它施加太大的气压并用力驱动它。

So because I have no way of knowing, I'm going to stop worrying.

所以因为我无法知道，所以我不会再担心了。

We've been drilling some extrusions, 18-inch extrusions on the press with two holes at a time.

我们一直在冲床上钻一些型材，18 英寸的型材，一次两个孔。

It's been going pretty good.

进展顺利。

Daddy's calling, so bye-bye, son.

爸爸打电话来了，再见，儿子。

And I'll see you later.

稍后再见。

I just had to tell you, son.

我只是想告诉你，儿子。

Daddy screamed and hollered.

爸爸尖叫着，大喊着。

You may have heard him over the tape, "Honey!" And I was right in the middle of a sentence to you, so I didn't go.

你可能在录音带中听到过他说：“亲爱的！”我正要跟你说一句话，所以我没有去。

But when I ran down, here, he has this power feed on.

但当我跑到这里时，他就有了动力。

You know Daddy.

你认识爸爸。

He is very, very slow at what he does.

他做事非常非常缓慢。

And everyone has about lost their temper at him because they've tried so hard to be patient.

每个人都对他发脾气，因为他们已经尽力保持耐心了。

And day by day, they've hoped this thing gets fixed.

日复一日，他们希望这件事能得到解决。

And so now I find this morning that he had fixed it.

所以现在我发现今天早上他已经解决了这个问题。

And this John that is working there was sitting there and working this just as easy as could be.

在那里工作的约翰就坐在那里，尽可能轻松地工作。

And of course, everyone was really thrilled.

当然，每个人都非常兴奋。

And Daddy was so tickled.

爸爸很高兴。

He was just as tickled as a little boy really.

他真的像个小男孩一样被逗乐了。

So son, we love you.

所以儿子，我们爱你。

We'll see you.

我们会再见。

I want to save some room here for your lady love.

我想为您所爱的女士留点空间。

Good night.

晚安。

So son, we love you.

所以儿子，我们爱你。

We'll see you.

我们会再见。

I want to save some room here for your lady love.

我想为您所爱的女士留点空间。

Good night.

晚安。

If I had the money, I would have called you tonight.

如果我有钱的话，我今晚就会给你打电话。

It's funny.

很有趣。

When you have an emotional problem, you don't quite know where to turn.

当你遇到情绪问题时，你不知道该向哪里求助。

They can say, "Turn to the Lord." And I think this is true.

他们可以说：“转向主”。我认为这是真的。

And yet, we're so human.

然而，我们是如此的人类。

We want human help.

我们需要人类的帮助。

I just come back from taking a walk this evening, thinking, "If I could just talk with someone." And of course, you don't talk your problems out with too many people.

今天晚上我刚散步回来，心想：“如果我能和某人谈谈就好了。”当然，你不会与太多人谈论你的问题。

And so I decided I'd turn the tape recorder on.

所以我决定打开录音机。

And you could hear a negative [CLEARS HER THROAT]-- I'm trying to get a cold-- you could hear the negative side of the Davis household, which has been typical in the last few years.

你可以听到负面的声音[清嗓子]——我想感冒——你可以听到戴维斯一家的负面声音，这在过去几年里很常见。

Here's Darlene.

这是达琳。

I could go on and on, and I know I must stop.

我可以继续说下去，但我知道我必须停下来。

Bye-bye, son.

再见，儿子。

Hi, Art.

嗨，艺术。

This week has really been a week, I tell you.

我告诉你，这周真的是一周。

I think it was Monday afternoon, I went into Mrs. Hare's office.

我想那是星期一下午，我走进黑尔夫人的办公室。

And she told me that I would not be able to take my test because of my debit, which is $500-and-some.

她告诉我，由于我的借方金额为 500 美元左右，我将无法参加考试。

And that was very upsetting to me of course.

当然，这让我非常沮丧。

I didn't realize I couldn't take my test for this.

我没有意识到我不能参加这个测试。

There's no excuse for this really other than that I can see for the first time she has money of her own.

除了我第一次看到她拥有自己的钱之外，没有任何借口。

And it's the little things that she's bought.

而且都是她买的小东西。

It seems good to just have money and spend it.

有钱就花，似乎也不错。

And at the first of the year, she really probably didn't work quite as much as she should've.

在今年的第一天，她真的可能没有像她应该做的那样工作。

Regardless of what's gone over the dam, she's left with a $500 bill now.

不管大坝发生了什么，她现在只剩下一张 500 美元的钞票。

And well, naturally, we brought the problem to Daddy.

嗯，很自然地，我们把问题交给了爸爸。

First, I talked with Dad about it.

首先，我和爸爸讨论了这件事。

And he said he'd see what he could do.

他说他会看看他能做什么。

Well, he didn't do anything.

嗯，他什么也没做。

There just seems to be no understanding at all there.

那里似乎根本没有任何理解。

But I guess that's to be expected, being what Daddy's like.

但我想这是可以预料的，因为爸爸就是这样的人。

When Darlene found this out from Mrs. Hare, she came home and cried an hour while I was teaching music lessons.

当达琳从黑尔太太那里得知这一消息后，她回到家，在我教音乐课时哭了一个小时。

And after the lessons, I went up and found out what the problem was.

课程结束后，我上去找出问题所在。

Naturally, she realizes her mistake.

她自然而然地认识到了自己的错误。

She's defeated.

她被打败了。

She doesn't know which way to turn.

她不知道该转向哪个方向。

And I explained this to Art last night that she had realized that she made mistakes.

昨晚我向阿特解释说，她已经意识到自己犯了错误。

But goodness knows how many mistakes we've made in life.

但天知道我们一生犯了多少错误。

And as parents, if we could just help her pick up the pieces and somehow put them together again, so she wouldn't feel defeated, this would be so much more rewarding.

作为父母，如果我们能帮助她收拾残局并以某种方式将它们重新组合起来，这样她就不会感到失败，这会更有意义。

But I also told him that I felt that we hadn't really helped you children too much with your schooling and that it seemed to me, and I'm sure you children felt the same way, that there were hundreds of dollars that goes into the basement.

但我也告诉他，我觉得我们并没有真正为你们孩子们的学业提供太多帮助，而且在我看来，我相信你们孩子们也有同样的感觉，有数百美元被投入地下室。

And I didn't really think it was right.

我真的不认为这是正确的。

Well, this he resented very much.

嗯，这一点他是非常反感的。

Mom said she thought I ought to help her on this bill.

妈妈说她认为我应该帮她付这笔帐单。

But I don't know whether I'm wrong in this situation or not, but I feel in a way that she had this coming because she hasn't put in her full time.

但我不知道在这种情况下我是否错了，但我觉得在某种程度上，她之所以会出现这种情况，是因为她没有投入全部时间。

This last month she has.

上个月她做到了。

But up until that time, she's agreed for 12 hours a week, and it's been usually around-- oh, I imagine 5 to 6 hours is a lot closer to what's actually been accomplished.

但在那之前，她同意每周工作 12 个小时，而且通常都是——哦，我想 5 到 6 个小时更接近实际完成的工作。

And then the money she does get, she's been spending on so many incidentals.

然后她得到的钱，她已经花在了很多杂费上。

And I kept talking and talking, but it didn't seem to do much good.

然后我就一直说啊说啊，但是似乎并没有多大作用。

But I feel it's better to provide a way for children to earn their education than it is to actually give them the money.

但我觉得为孩子们提供一种获得教育的方式比实际给他们钱更好。

And besides, we don't have the money.

而且，我们没有钱。

And if we weren't working down in the basement, why, there wouldn't be any money any more than there is right now.

如果我们不在地下室工作的话，就不会有比现在更多的钱了。

In fact, there wouldn't be as much.

事实上，不会有那么多。

So I don't know.

所以我不知道。

I guess I get mixed up in my philosophy and my thinking sometimes.

我想我有时会混淆我的哲学和想法。

And I know Darlene sometimes resents the fact that we don't give her more money.

我知道达琳有时会因为我们不给她更多的钱而感到不满。

She sees all these other folks getting money, and she doesn't.

她看到其他人都赚钱了，而她却没有。

I don't know exactly what to do about the situation.

我不知道具体该怎么办。

I don't know what's really right and what's wrong.

我不知道什么是真正的对，什么是错。

But right now, I'm pretty strapped with all the taxes.

但现在，我已经背负着所有的税了。

I just had to pay $400 out at the first of the month.

我只需要在这个月的第一天支付 400 美元。

And now I come here again in the middle of the month and have to pay another $200.

现在我在月中再次来到这里，还得再付200美元。

Just a minute.

请等一下。

Back again.

又回来了。

Dad just came up to talk to me for a few minutes.

爸爸刚刚走过来和我聊了几分钟。

I didn't know if I was going to work for him this summer or not after our little mix-up here.

在我们在这里发生了一些小混乱之后，我不知道今年夏天我是否会为他工作。

But I guess I'm going to work at the school and then in the afternoons for Dad because I have to pay off this debt just as soon as I can.

但我想我会在学校工作，然后下午为爸爸工作，因为我必须尽快还清这笔债务。

Well, anyway, be that as it may, Rich told a story he was told about a little mama mouse that lived on the-- oh, there goes-- the thing is running downstairs now.

好吧，不管怎么说，里奇给他讲了一个故事，有人告诉他，有一只小老鼠妈妈，住在——哦，有——那东西现在正在楼下跑。

I can hear it clicking-- told about a little girl mouse that lived on one side of the corn field.

我能听到它的咔哒声——讲述了一只住在玉米地一侧的小老鼠。

And the little boy mouse lived on the other side of the field.

小老鼠住在田野的另一边。

And one day, the little girl mouse in the autumn made a trip across the field.

有一天，秋天的小老鼠老鼠穿越了田野。

And when she got to the little boy's house, she said, "Help, help, I've been reaped.

当她到达小男孩的家时，她说：“救命，救命，我被收割了。

I've been reaped." They were reaping the corn.

我已经被收割了。”他们正在收割玉米。

And old Darlene just laughed and laughed.

老达琳只是笑个不停。

But she couldn't figure out what she was laughing at.

但她不明白自己在笑什么。

The more she talked, the worse it got.

她越说，情况就越糟糕。

She couldn't get the connection to the whole thing.

她无法弄清楚这一切之间的联系。

See, she said, she thought it had something to do with emptying garbage or something.

你看，她说，她认为这与倒垃圾或其他什么有关。

I don't remember just what her statement was.

我不记得她的陈述是什么。

Anyway, it really made it quite funny.

不管怎样，这确实让它变得很有趣。

Her naiveness made it funnier than ever.

她的天真使它比以往任何时候都更有趣。

I'm going to quit for now.

我现在要退出。

I've got some big holes to drill downstairs.

我有一些大洞要在楼下钻。

And tonight's Fugitive night.

今晚是逃亡之夜。

I haven't watched Fugitive for so many months, I don't know whether he's still afoot or horseback.

我已经好几个月没看逃亡者了，我不知道他是步行还是骑马。

So well, anyway, so much for that.

好吧，无论如何，就这么多了。

It's really been nice to talk to you.

很高兴与你交谈。

And I want to leave you with one really profound statement that the more you drill on these castings, the lighter they get.

我想给你们留下一个非常深刻的说法：在这些铸件上钻得越多，它们就越轻。

I want you to be sure if you don't remember anything else that you remember that.

我想让你确定你是否不记得任何你记得的事情。

So son, we love you.

所以儿子，我们爱你。

We'll see you.

我们会再见。

[MUSIC - "IT'S A MAN'S WORLD" BY JAMES BROWN]

[音乐 - 詹姆斯·布朗的《这是男人的世界》]

Well, Alix Spiegel, on our radio staff, did a few days of detective work and tracked down the Davis family, who mailed this tape to their son in medical school in the late 1960s.

我们电台的工作人员阿利克斯·斯皮格尔 (Alix Spiegel) 花了几天的时间进行侦探工作，找到了戴维斯一家，他们在 20 世纪 60 年代末将这盘磁带邮寄给了他们在医学院的儿子。

And we reached the former medical student, Arthur Davis, Junior, in his home in Indio, California, not far from Palm Springs.

我们联系到了前医学生小阿瑟·戴维斯 (Arthur Davis, Junior)，他住在加利福尼亚州印第奥 (Indio) 的家中，距离棕榈泉不远。

He practices family medicine.

他从事家庭医学工作。

He actually makes house calls, he said, and has six kids of his own.

他说，他实际上会出诊，并且自己有六个孩子。

And he told us that these letters on tape went back and forth between him and his parents for a period of about four years when he was away in California in medical school.

他告诉我们，当他去加利福尼亚上医学院时，这些录音信件在他和他的父母之间来回交换了大约四年的时间。

He said, no, he hadn't heard one since the 1960s.

他说，不，自 20 世纪 60 年代以来他就没听过这样的声音。

He said, no, he had no idea how one could end up in a thrift store in Chicago.

他说，不，他不知道一个人怎么会来到芝加哥的一家旧货店。

No, he said, his parents were not still alive.

不，他说，他的父母已经不在人世了。

His mother died 12 years ago, and his father died 4 years ago.

他的母亲12年前去世，父亲4年前去世。

We sent him uncut tapes of everything that was on the tape.

我们把磁带上所有内容的未剪辑磁带寄给了他。

And he heard them.

他听到了他们的声音。

And he said that it was fine with him for us to play the tapes on the radio.

他说他同意我们在收音机上播放磁带。

He said that the tapes captured the dynamics of his family perfectly.

他说，录音带完美地捕捉到了他家庭的动态。

The drama of a lot of American families is the emotional distance of the father, the father staying away from the family orbit, the father not being around, the father holding himself apart.

很多美国家庭的戏剧就是父亲的情感距离，父亲远离家庭轨道，父亲不在身边，父亲孤立自己。

And Arthur Davis, Junior says that his father was like a lot of American dads in that way and was, in fact, pretty removed.

小阿瑟·戴维斯说，他的父亲在这方面就像很多美国父亲一样，而且事实上，他的父亲非常疏远。

He was reared in a divorced home.

他在离异家庭长大。

And there was a lot of bitterness.

还有很多苦涩。

And so it was pretty tough for him to even consider getting married.

所以他甚至很难考虑结婚。

And then when I was born, my mom said that he just broke into tears, thinking that he might have to deal with some of those issues as a parent.

然后当我出生时，我妈妈说他只是哭了，认为他可能必须作为父母来处理其中的一些问题。

He never did really want to be a parent.

他从来没有真正想成为一名父母。

And she really helped him through that a lot.

她确实帮了他很多。

It was very fascinating, Ira.

这非常令人着迷，艾拉。

After my mom died, my dad changed tremendously.

妈妈去世后，爸爸发生了巨大的变化。

And he came to live with me, and spent quite a bit of time with my sister and me, and was very connected with us and our children.

他来和我住在一起，花了很多时间和我姐姐和我在一起，与我们和我们的孩子关系密切。

So that all changed after Mom died.

妈妈去世后，一切都改变了。

Arthur Davis, Junior.

阿瑟·戴维斯，少年。

Coming up, more old tapes, more about fathers in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.

当我们的节目继续进行时，国际公共广播电台将推出更多旧磁带、更多有关父亲的内容。

Well, it's This American Life.

嗯，这就是《美国生活》。

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, invite a variety of writers and performers to tackle that theme with radio monologues, original reporting, memoirs, short fiction, anything they can think of.

当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，邀请各种作家和表演者通过广播独白、原创报道、回忆录、短篇小说以及他们能想到的任何内容来解决这个主题。

Today's program, Accidental Documentaries.

今天的节目，意外的纪录片。

Stories made from old tapes that have been sitting in basements, and attics, and thrift stores for decades.

故事由几十年来一直放在地下室、阁楼和旧货店里的旧磁带制成。

We have arrived at Act Two of our program, Baltimore.

我们已经到达了我们计划的第二幕，巴尔的摩。

We'd like to ask you this question, my friend.

我的朋友，我们想问你这个问题。

Do personal problems and worries have you down?

个人问题和忧虑是否让您感到沮丧？

Are you disturbed by business problems, marriage problems, or emotional problems?

您是否因事业问题、婚姻问题或情感问题而困扰？

See Mrs. K, reader and adviser.

请见读者兼顾问 K 女士。

Mrs. K, formerly of Europe, gives you a reading and answers all your questions for just $1.

K 女士曾来自欧洲，只需 1 美元即可为您提供阅读材料并回答您的所有问题。

And you'll feel much better.

你会感觉好多了。

You'll have a much better picture of where you're headed after you've talk with Mrs. K.

与 K 女士交谈后，您会对自己的前进方向有一个更好的了解。

The telephone number is Saratoga 7-2753, but, of course, no appointment is necessary.

电话号码是 Saratoga 7-2753，但是当然不需要预约。

I'm just going to stop this tape right there.

我要把这盘磁带停在那里。

I have three things to say about this tape.

关于这盘磁带我有三件事要说。

Number one, formally of Europe?

正式的欧洲第一？

Number two, of course, no appointment is necessary.

第二，当然，不需要预约。

She already knows you're coming.

她已经知道你要来了。

And number three, this is my father in 1956, three years before I was born.

第三，这是我 1956 年的父亲，也就是我出生前三年。

He's 23 years old.

他今年 23 岁。

And coming up right now, news about a wonderful appliance from Norman R.

现在即将推出有关 Norman R. 的一款出色设备的新闻。

Mitchell, yes?

米切尔，是吗？

For the homemakers, as we said before.

对于家庭主妇，正如我们之前所说。

We're talking about an electric dryer.

我们正在谈论电动烘干机。

And my friend, if the lady in your house has her heart set on an electric dryer, here's some big news for you from Norman R.

我的朋友，如果你家里的那位女士一心想要一台电动烘干机，那么诺曼·R·诺曼 (Norman R.

Mitchell.

米切尔.

Right now, they are featuring the new 1957 Frigidaire Filtra-matic electric dryer at an unbelievable low price.

现在，他们以令人难以置信的低价推出新款 1957 年 Frigidaire Filtra-matic 电动烘干机。

My father started in radio when he was 19, the same age I was when I started.

我父亲 19 岁时就开始从事广播事业，我也是同龄开始从事广播事业。

He began at the college station at the University of Maryland, and, after graduation, got a job spinning records at a commercial station in Baltimore.

他从马里兰大学学院开始，毕业后在巴尔的摩的一家商业电台找到了一份旋转唱片的工作。

Then he was drafted.

然后他被征召入伍。

And at the time of this particular recording, my father was actually in the Army, stationed in Virginia.

在录制这段特别的录音时，我父亲实际上正在军队服役，驻扎在弗吉尼亚州。

But he wanted a career in radio so badly that every Sunday morning, at the break of dawn, he would leave his wife and his five-month-old baby, my older sister, and drive up to Baltimore to do a four-hour program.

但他非常想从事广播事业，以至于每个周日早上，黎明时分，他都会离开妻子和五个月大的孩子，也就是我的姐姐，开车去巴尔的摩做一个四个小时的节目。

For over 18 years, thousands of folks just like yourselves here in town have relied on Norman R.

18 年来，镇上成千上万像你们一样的人一直信赖 Norman R.

Mitchell appliances for sincerity, service, and substantial savings.

米切尔电器诚信、服务、省钱。

Three important must's for a successful business today.

当今企业成功必须具备的三个重要要素。

My dad's paycheck for this four-hour Sunday morning program was $5.88.

我父亲参加这个周日上午四个小时的节目的工资是 5.88 美元。

The most he ever made at a radio job was $90 a week.

他在电台工作中挣到的最高收入是每周 90 美元。

My friend, how would you like to get 21 beautiful greeting cards absolutely free?

我的朋友，您想完全免费获得 21 张精美贺卡吗？

Plus details on how easy it is to earn $35 to $50 a week selling Liberty Bell greeting cards?

加上销售自由钟贺卡每周赚取 35 至 50 美元有多容易的详细信息？

When you were doing radio, what did you like about it?

当你做广播时，你喜欢它的什么？

What was the appeal of it for you?

它对你来说有什么吸引力？

It seemed easy to do.

这似乎很容易做到。

Certain amount of, I guess, notoriety.

我想，一定程度的恶名。

It's good for your ego.

这对你的自我有好处。

People know who you are.

人们知道你是谁。

I was a big man on campus at the University of Maryland.

我是马里兰大学校园里的大人物。

You're a good announcer.

你是一个很好的播音员。

I didn't really know that.

我真的不知道。

I've been listening to the way that you do the announcements.

我一直在听你们发布公告的方式。

You're relaxed, and yet, you punch the main points.

你很放松，但你还是抓住了要点。

But you sound completely at ease, and you're convincing.

但你听起来完全放松，而且很有说服力。

You're doing ads for the hokiest products in the world, and you sound completely like you believe it.

你正在为世界上最古怪的产品做广告，而且你听起来完全就像你相信的那样。

Really?

真的吗？

What are some of the products?

有哪些产品？

I've forgot about them.

我已经忘记他们了。

There's a lot of appliances.

有很多电器。

And then there's one reader and adviser named Mrs. K.

还有一位读者兼顾问，名叫 K 女士。

Formerly of Europe.

以前是欧洲的。

Barry Glass Just show them to your relatives, friends, neighbors, and the folks you work with, and see how quickly they order.

Barry Glass 只需将它们展示给您的亲戚、朋友、邻居以及与您一起工作的人，看看他们订购的速度有多快。

You're actually doing them a favor by saving them money on Christmas cards.

你实际上是在帮他们一个忙，为他们省下买圣诞卡的钱。

And such fine quality cards you've never seen in your life as Liberty Bell.

还有像自由钟这样品质优良的卡片，您一生中从未见过。

A lot of what it's like to be on the radio is just trying to sound relaxed when you're not.

很多时候，在广播中的感觉只是想让自己在不在广播中时听起来放松。

You're doing a show.

你在做秀。

You're not just talking to people.

你不只是在与人交谈。

And in some of these tapes, I can actually hear my father struggling to sound relaxed.

在其中一些录音带中，我实际上可以听到我父亲努力让自己的声音听起来很放松。

And these recordings give me this picture of him that I have never had in my life really.

这些录音给了我这张我一生中从未真正拥有过的他的照片。

He seems so young and innocent.

他看起来很年轻，很天真。

A guy in his 20s, doing this thing that I know so intimately myself, just sitting in front of a microphone trying to sound at ease, trying to sound like this relaxed old pro, not a care in the world.

一个 20 多岁的小伙子，做着我自己非常熟悉的事情，只是坐在麦克风前，试图让自己听起来轻松自在，努力让自己听起来像个轻松的老专业人士，而不是一个关心世界的人。

Yes, now you can have color in that kitchen of yours and really make it a true showplace for your family and your friends.

是的，现在您可以为您的厨房增添色彩，并真正使其成为您家人和朋友的真正展示场所。

And make it a lot easier to work in too with color, huh?

而且使用颜色也更容易，不是吗？

And you can have this color in your kitchen all at the price of white.

您可以以白色的价格在厨房中拥有这种颜色。

And of course, Frigidaire features the new 1957 Frigidaire refrigerators, ranges, washers, and dryers in four decorator colors at absolutely no extra cost to you.

当然，Frigidaire 还提供 1957 年新款 Frigidaire 冰箱、系列、洗衣机和烘干机，有四种装饰颜色，您完全无需支付额外费用。

You have your choice of pink, yellow, green, or charcoal.

您可以选择粉色、黄色、绿色或木炭色。

This is just how long ago this happened.

这是多久以前发生的事情了。

They had not yet invented the idea of renaming the colors of appliances, things like avocado, lemon, eggshell.

他们还没有发明重新命名电器颜色的想法，比如鳄梨、柠檬、蛋壳。

Well, let's get on to that featured top tune of tomorrow, a brand new release, one we think is going to be real big in the coming weeks and months all across the country and right here in Baltimore too.

好吧，让我们来看看明天的热门歌曲，这是一张全新的专辑，我们认为在未来几周和几个月内，它将会在全国范围内引起轰动，在巴尔的摩这里也是如此。

This week, it goes to The Crew Cuts.

本周，《The Crew Cut》将上演。

Listen to their rendition of "Love In A Home."

听听他们演绎的“Love In A Home”。

Not long after he got out of the Army, my dad decided that radio was no way to make a living.

退伍后不久，我父亲就认为无线电不是谋生的方式。

And after a series of jobs, he decided to become a Certified Public Accountant.

经过一系列工作后，他决定成为一名注册会计师。

He was a typical workaholic, suburban dad.

他是一位典型的工作狂、郊区父亲。

Off to the office at 7:00 in the morning.

早上7:00去办公室。

Back at 6:30 for dinner.

6点30分回来吃晚饭。

Exhausted after that, he would sit in his yellow recliner in front of the TV and fall asleep.

疲惫不堪后，他会坐在电视机前的黄色躺椅上睡着。

He started his own business, struggled to establish it, worked lots of nights and weekends.

他开始了自己的事业，努力建立它，花了很多晚上和周末工作。

During tax season, from January to April 15, we would barely see him.

在报税季，从 1 月到 4 月 15 日，我们几乎见不到他。

In our house when I was growing up was an old reel-to-reel tape recorder, a little consumer unit, that my mother and my sisters and I would goof around on from time to time, record us singing or telling stories.

在我成长的过程中，我们家里有一台旧的卷轴式录音机，一个小型消费设备，我和我的母亲、我的姐妹们和我会时不时地用它来闲逛，记录我们唱歌或讲故事。

And while my mom appears on these tapes a lot, my father does not appear on them once.

虽然我妈妈经常出现在这些磁带上，但我父亲却一次也没有出现过。

He simply was not there to be recorded.

他只是不在那里被记录。

The only time he's mentioned on all of these tapes is this.

所有这些磁带中唯一一次提到他就是这一次。

I'm going to play this moment to you.

我要把这一刻演奏给你听。

My mother is cooing to my older sister, Randi, who's probably-- I don't know-- a year old, a year and a half old.

我的母亲正在对我的姐姐兰迪轻声细语，她可能——我不知道——一岁，一岁半。

Where's Barry?

巴里在哪里？

Ira Glass Barry's my dad.

艾拉·格拉斯·巴里是我的父亲。

Where's Barry, Randi?

巴里、兰迪在哪里？

Daddy?

爸爸？

Where's daddy?

爸爸在哪儿？

Did daddy go bye-bye?

爸爸走了吗？

Go bye-bye.

再见吧。

Ira's Mother Did he go outside?

艾拉的母亲他出去了吗？

These days, my dad explains his decision to leave radio and become an accountant this way.

这些天，我父亲以这种方式解释了他离开广播电台并成为一名会计师的决定。

By that time, I had realized that radio was not for me.

到那时，我意识到广播不适合我。

What happened would be a new program director would come in.

And if you weren't the apple of that guy's eye, then you were out of a job, and you gotta go start looking for a job again.

如果你不是那个人的掌上明珠，那么你就失业了，你必须重新开始找工作。

Even though that never happened to me, I could see it happening to other people.

And I wanted to be in control of my own destiny, and I decided that it wasn't going to work out.

Radio was not going to work out.

无线电是行不通的。

Are those two things related?

这两件事有关联吗？

Barry Glass Not at all.

巴里·格拉斯一点也不。

It sounds like they are.

听起来确实如此。

Barry Glass No, they're not.

巴里·格拉斯：不，他们不是。

No, they're not.

不，他们不是。

Well, all the stars are on record, and all the records star on the Sunday Morning Carousel.

Coming up for you right now, our featured top tune of the day.

Number one in the record stores we visited this week in Baltimore.

And judging by your cards and letters here at WIN, it ranks very high.

The Prince of Wales himself, one Johnnie Ray, with "Just Walkin' in the Rain."

Now the way a story like this usually ends is that I reveal that this is why I'm in radio, to make good on my father's legacy, to live the dream that he never got to live.

现在，像这样的故事通常结束的方式是，我透露这就是我在广播中的原因，为了兑现我父亲的遗产，实现他从未实现的梦想。

But I have to say, the fact is, I never knew him as a radio deejay.

I did not know that he had ever done radio the entire time I grew up.

It was never discussed.

这从未被讨论过。

The recordings of him doing this stuff were packed away in the basement.

Nobody talked about it.

没有人谈论这件事。

I never thought of him as somebody who did anything but certified public accounting.

If my mom ever mentioned this, I do not remember it.

And I certainly didn't grow up with any special feeling about radio.

I could care less about radio.

我不太关心广播。

Like most Americans, my medium of choice was television.

I got my first job with National Public Radio in Washington when I was 19 years old.

And at that point, I simply wanted a job in the media.

I was a freshman in college.

我当时是大学一年级学生。

If an ad agency had hired me that summer, right now, I would probably be doing Bud Light commercials.

I can just see the whole thing laying out that way.

And in 1978, when I started working at NPR, my parents absolutely did not want me to do it.

It wasn't even a judgment call.

这甚至不是一个判断。

They were completely against it for the next, I want to say, 10 years, maybe it was 15 years really.

They simply saw it the way most parents would.

他们只是像大多数父母一样看待它。

They saw it as impractical.

他们认为这是不切实际的。

They worried that I would never make any decent money, never be able to support a family, essentially, the reasons that my father quit radio.

When I first dug out these tapes of my father, about a year ago, I asked my dad if he ever wished he could still do radio.

And he was completely unenthusiastic about the idea.

他对这个想法完全不感兴趣。

In all my life, I had only seen his desire to be on the radio once.

And this was actually a couple years ago.

这实际上是几年前的事了。

I was filling in as the guest host of Talk of the Nation, this daily call-in show NPR does out of Washington.

I was doing that for half a year.

我就这样干了半年。

And my father had never seen me host a radio show.

And he and my mom drove down to Washington from Baltimore to watch me do the show.

他和我妈妈从巴尔的摩开车到华盛顿来看我表演。

And before the show, he asked me if he could read the news.

And at first, I thought he was joking.

起初，我以为他是在开玩笑。

And I don't remember exactly what I said, but I joked something back at him.

And then later, as we got closer to going on the air, he asked again that he would like to read the newscast, the NPR newscast at the top of the hour, at the beginning of the show.

后来，当我们接近播出时，他再次询问他想在节目开始时阅读新闻广播，即 NPR 新闻广播。

And I realized he was serious.

我意识到他是认真的。

And I had to explain to him that I didn't have any authority over that, that the NPR newscasters, they wrote their own news, and they delivered it themselves.

我必须向他解释，我对此没有任何权力，NPR 新闻播音员是他们自己写的新闻，他们自己发布的。

Since then I've had him on our show a few times, on this show, including as an announcer, co-hosting a Father's Day show.

He's coming around, I think.

我想他会过来的。

Lately, he's started saying that maybe I did not make such a mistake going into radio, that it seemed to be working out OK, which I'm glad for.

最近，他开始说也许我在进入广播行业时没有犯这样的错误，看起来一切顺利，对此我感到很高兴。

I think one of the hardest things for any parent is to have one set of expectations for their children, and then be forced by their children to change them.

我认为对任何父母来说最困难的事情之一就是对孩子有一套期望，然后被孩子强迫去改变它们。

That's really hard.

这真的很难。

I can't imagine what it would be like to see your kid doing something that you, yourself, decided wasn't worth doing.

And time for us to go out on a limb and predict big things for a new record.

现在是时候让我们勇敢地预测新纪录的重大事件了。

Our featured top tune of tomorrow.

我们精选的明天热门歌曲。

Here's a guy we feel pretty safe in predicting big things for.

His name is Nat King Cole.

他的名字叫纳特·金·科尔。

Our featured top tune of tomorrow, "My Personal Possession."

[MUSIC - "MY PERSONAL POSSESSION" BY NAT KING COLE]

[音乐 - NAT KING COLE 的《我的个人财产》]

Act Three, Chicago.

第三幕，芝加哥。

Nora Moreno now joins us with some records, and tapes, and a story.

诺拉·莫雷诺现在带着一些唱片、磁带和一个故事加入我们。

This is an old 45.

这是一位45岁的老人。

It's my father.

这是我的父亲。

He was a pioneer in Spanish-language broadcasting here in Chicago, a radio announcer in the 1950s and '60s.

他是芝加哥西班牙语广播领域的先驱，也是 20 世纪 50 年代和 60 年代的电台播音员。

My dad's not playing the guitar or singing on this record.

我爸爸在这张唱片中没有弹吉他或唱歌。

He's reciting poetry.

他正在背诗。

This is what he sounded like when I was little.

这就是我小时候他的声音。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Nora Moreno "I knew love."

[西班牙语] 诺拉·莫雷诺“我懂得爱。”

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Nora Moreno "It was very beautiful."

[西班牙语] 诺拉·莫雷诺“非常美丽。”

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Nora Moreno "But in me--"

[说西班牙语] 诺拉·莫雷诺“但在我心里——”

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Nora Moreno "In me, it was fleeting and a traitor."

[西班牙语] 诺拉·莫雷诺“对我来说，它是转瞬即逝的，也是一个叛徒。”

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Nora Moreno "It blemished what was glorious.

[西班牙语] 诺拉·莫雷诺“它玷污了曾经辉煌的事物。

But it was great because it was the first love."

但这很棒，因为这是初恋。”

It was hearing my dad recite poems like this that made my mother fall in love with him.

正是听到爸爸这样背诗，妈妈才爱上了他。

It was a poem called "El Brindis del Bohemio" about Bohemians toasting in the New Year that did her in.

一首名为《El Brindis del Bohemio》的诗，讲述了波西米亚人在新年敬酒的情景，这首诗让她着迷。

"El Brindis del Bohemio." Beautiful.

“El Brindis del Bohemio”。美丽的。

Well, this poem talks about women, the mother, the mistress, the girlfriend.

嗯，这首诗谈论的是女人、母亲、情妇、女朋友。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Nora's Mother There was a soldier.

[说西班牙语] 诺拉的母亲有一名士兵。

There was a Bohemio.

有一个波西米亚人。

And there was another guy.

还有另一个人。

And they were doing this toast.

他们正在做这个祝酒词。

The best part was when this Bohemio-- the toast is for the mother, the one who carry him nine month, the one who cry with him and took care of him when he was a baby.

最好的部分是这个波西米亚人——为母亲干杯，她怀了他九个月，在他还是个婴儿时和他一起哭泣并照顾他的人。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Nora Moreno I know what my mother was thinking when she heard this.

[西班牙语] 诺拉·莫雷诺我知道我母亲听到这个消息时在想什么。

Any man who can get so worked up about his mother had to be a special man.

任何一个能够对自己的母亲如此激动的男人一定是一个特别的男人。

So she called the radio station.

于是她给广播电台打电话。

They talked on the telephone, went out, and, three months later, they were married.

他们通了电话，出去了，三个月后，他们结婚了。

Now falling in love with the voice on the radio may sound a bit extreme, but consider this.

现在爱上收音机里的声音可能听起来有点极端，但请考虑一下这一点。

My mother was 16, in Chicago for only a few months after having lived in Puerto Rico.

我母亲 16 岁，在波多黎各生活了几个月后才来到芝加哥。

It was her first time in the States.

这是她第一次来美国。

She barely spoke English and mostly stayed at home.

她几乎不会说英语，大部分时间都呆在家里。

It was like being in a cage after living on an island with the sun shining and sleeping with the doors open and windows.

就像住在一个岛上，阳光明媚，门窗开着睡觉后，就像被关在笼子里一样。

And when I came here and went to that apartment, I feel like I was dead to life.

当我来到这里并走进那间公寓时，我感觉自己已经死了。

I used to cry every night.

我以前每天晚上都会哭。

[SPEAKING SPANISH] Nora Moreno I'm not even going to bother translating this one.

[说西班牙语] 诺拉·莫雷诺我什至懒得翻译这个。

Let's just say it's very romantic about the perfection of a woman's eyes.

只能说，女人眼睛的完美是非常浪漫的。

And this man, the one you're hearing, I never knew him.

而这个人，你现在听到的那个人，我从来不认识他。

Sure, I heard stories about his radio shows, how he would produce talent shows, and have live performances, and bring in crowds from all over the city.

当然，我听说过有关他的广播节目的故事，他如何制作才艺节目，进行现场表演，并吸引来自全市各地的人群。

People would come to be part of live radio.

人们将成为现场广播的一部分。

Women wanted to hear him and his poetry.

女人们想听他和他的诗。

But by the time I was old enough to hear him on the radio, he was reading the news and not poetry.

但当我长大到可以在广播中听到他的声音时，他读的是新闻而不是诗歌。

And what I remember were the fights between them, my mother and father, about how he was never home, always late, too busy for us.

我记得的是他们，我的母亲和父亲之间的争吵，因为他从来不回家，总是迟到，对我们来说太忙了。

His life on the radio was all consuming.

他在电台的生活非常消耗精力。

The very thing that brought my parents together drove them apart.

正是这一件事让我的父母走到了一起，却又让他们分开了。

And I had fights with him too.

而且我也和他吵过架。

Once when I was 16, my dad came home after being away for a few days.

我16岁那年，有一次，爸爸离开几天后回到家。

And I asked him what he was working on that kept him away so much.

我问他正在做什么让他如此远离。

It wasn't as if he was out of town.

他并不像是出城了。

He just didn't come home.

他只是没有回家。

Well, he didn't appreciate it, got very indigent, and he beat me.

结果他不领情，变得很穷，还打了我。

Partly, he was defensive because he was seeing another woman.

部分原因是他有防御心理，因为他正在和另一个女人约会。

And partly, it was because of this culture clash.

部分原因是这种文化冲突。

I was talking to him like an American girl, but he was born in Mexico.

我像一个美国女孩一样和他说话，但他出生在墨西哥。

And in Spanish families, you never questioned your father.

在西班牙家庭中，你从不质疑你的父亲。

You never questioned your dad.

你从来没有质疑过你的父亲。

In his mind, there was nothing more disrespectful than a child questioning the authority of her father.

在他看来，没有什么比一个孩子质疑父亲的权威更不尊重的了。

When my mother found out about the other woman, she couldn't believe it and didn't.

当我母亲发现另一个女人的事时，她不敢相信，但也没有相信。

He would tell her in that same beautiful voice that he still loved her.

他会用同样美丽的声音告诉她，他仍然爱她。

He persuaded her that she was imagining things, convinced her that there was no one else and could never be anyone else but her, all in that voice, that romantic, seductive, tempting voice that she had heard on the radio.

他让她相信她只是在想象一些事情，让她相信除了她之外没有其他人，不可能有任何其他人，这一切都在那个声音里，那个她在收音机里听到的浪漫、诱人、诱惑的声音。

Finally, after another one of their many fights, after months of continuous abuse, my mother took a gun and shot my father in the mouth.

最后，在他们的多次争吵之后，经过几个月的连续虐待，我母亲拿起枪朝我父亲的嘴开了一枪。

My dad survived the gunshot.

我父亲在枪击中幸存下来。

And when the police came, he lied to them about what had happened, so they wouldn't take my mother to jail.

当警察来时，他对他们撒了谎，这样他们就不会把我母亲送进监狱。

He told them that he was teaching her to shoot when the gun went off.

他告诉他们，枪响时他正在教她射击。

The cops didn't believe him, but he didn't want to press charges, and basically, there was nothing they could do.

警察不相信他，但他也不想起诉，基本上，他们也无能为力。

The strange thing is that, for a while, that whole experience brought them closer together.

奇怪的是，有一段时间，整个经历让他们变得更加亲密。

For a while.

一阵子。

A couple of years ago, I decided to meet my father in Mexico.

几年前，我决定去墨西哥见见我的父亲。

We were going to celebrate Father's Day together.

我们本来打算一起庆祝父亲节。

I don't really know why we picked Father's Day.

我真的不知道为什么我们选择父亲节。

We both understood that being a father wasn't something he did very well.

我们都明白，作为一名父亲，他做得并不好。

And when I think about it now, I can't remember a time in my life when I recognized that day.

现在回想起来，我不记得在我生命中的哪个时刻我认识到了那一天。

The point is that he didn't show up.

关键是他没有出现。

It makes me sad because what I ended up doing was so much fun, and I knew he would have enjoyed himself too.

这让我很难过，因为我最终所做的事情非常有趣，而且我知道他也会很开心。

I went to visit my uncle and cousins in Mexico City.

我去墨西哥城看望我的叔叔和表兄弟。

We told stories, recited poetry, talked a lot about my dad.

我们讲故事，背诵诗歌，谈论了很多关于我父亲的事。

My cousin even brought out his guitar and tried to recite some of the poems my dad used to read.

我的表弟甚至拿出了他的吉他，试图背诵一些我爸爸以前读过的诗。

It was typical for my dad not to show up to things that included the family.

我父亲通常不会出席包括家人在内的活动。

Now that he's not really a part of it, it seems normal.

现在他不再参与其中，这似乎很正常。

My parents are divorced.

我的父母离婚了。

My dad is in Texas, lonely and broke, dying of cancer.

我的父亲在德克萨斯州，孤独且破产，死于癌症。

He's been out of radio for almost 20 years.

他已经离开电台近20年了。

When I talked to him on Monday and asked him about his poems, he couldn't remember the last time he had written one.

当我周一和他交谈并询问他的诗时，他不记得上次写诗是什么时候了。

I have a picture of my dad on a stage with the backdrop of a Spanish dancer and a big band surrounding him.

我有一张我父亲在舞台上的照片，背景是一位西班牙舞者和一支大乐队围绕着他。

There's a woman sharing the stage with him.

有一个女人和他同台。

She is elegant and stunning.

她优雅而迷人。

She has this long, flowing evening dress.

她穿着这件飘逸的长晚礼服。

This woman is not my mother, but she captures my father.

这个女人不是我的母亲，却俘虏了我的父亲。

He's bowing at the waist.

他弯着腰。

She holds out a hand to him, and he clasps it with both of his and kisses it, gazing up into her eyes with complete romantic concentration.

她向他伸出一只手，他用双手握住它并亲吻它，以完全浪漫的专注凝视着她的眼睛。

His attention is for her alone.

他的注意力只为她一个人。

Nora Moreno works in philanthropy at the Boeing Company in Chicago.

诺拉·莫雷诺在芝加哥波音公司从事慈善事业。

Nora, to end our story about your dad and you, you asked us especially to get this one particular song called "El Rey."

诺拉，为了结束我们关于你父亲和你的故事，你特别要求我们得到一首名为“El Rey”的特别歌曲。

The king.

国王。

Ira Glass Explain the significance of this song.

艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 解释这首歌的意义。

Well, it's my dad's favorite song.

嗯，这是我爸爸最喜欢的歌。

And he sort of took it on as a theme for his life.

他几乎把它当作了他一生的主题。

Can you tell us why this would be his favorite song?

你能告诉我们为什么这首歌是他最喜欢的吗？

Well, it talks about a man who has no place.

嗯，它讲的是一个没有地位的人。

And regardless of where he finds himself, he continues to be the king.

无论他身在何处，他仍然是国王。

[MUSIC - "EL REY"] "I know very well that I am outside, but the day that I die, I know you will have to cry."

[音乐-“EL REY”]“我很清楚我在外面，但在我死的那天，我知道你将不得不哭泣。”

"Cry, cry, cry," they're singing.

他们唱着“哭吧，哭吧，哭吧”。

Yeah.

是的。

"You will say that you never loved me, but you will be very sad.

“你会说你从来没有爱过我，但你会很难过。

And you'll be that way forever.

而你将永远如此。

With money or without money, I always do what I want.

无论有钱还是没钱，我总是做我想做的事。

And my word is the law.

我的话就是法律。

I have no throne, or queen, or anyone who understands me, but I continue to be the king."

我没有王位，没有女王，也没有任何理解我的人，但我仍然是国王。”

Have you actually heard him sing this song?

你真的听过他唱这首歌吗？

Oh, yes.

哦是的。

He sang this at parties, family gatherings, in the morning.

他在早上的聚会、家庭聚会上唱这首歌。

He sang this all the time.

他一直唱这首歌。

What's so beautiful about it is the guy in the song is clearly-- he knows he's not really the king.

He knows he's not--

他知道他不是——

Well, actually, Ira, that's not really true.

嗯，事实上，艾拉，这不是真的。

I think that what's truer is that he really thinks he's king.

No. Nora Moreno Yes.

不，诺拉·莫雷诺是的。

It was a tribute to the way he lived his life.

这是对他生活方式的致敬。

His way.

他的方式。

You know, Frank Sinatra?

你知道吗，弗兰克·辛纳屈？

It's funny you say that.

你这么说真有趣。

I was just about to say, this is the Spanish "My Way."

"El Rey." Credits Ira Glass Well, thank you Nora Moreno.

“艾尔·雷伊。”图片来源：Ira Glass 嗯，谢谢诺拉·莫雷诺。

Our program produced today by Alix Spiegel and myself with Nancy Updike, Peter Clowney, and Dolores Wilber.

Today's show was first broadcast in 1996, one of the first episodes of our program.

Contributing editors for this show, Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, Paul Tough, and Consigliere Sarah Vowell.

Music help from Mr. John Connors.

约翰·康纳斯先生的音乐帮助。

[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] Our website, www.thisamericanlife.org, where you can get our free weekly podcast or listen to old programs online.

This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.

《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。

[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our program by Mr. Torey Malatia.

I'm Ira Glass.

我是艾拉·格拉斯。

Back next week with more stories of This American Life.

下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。

Well, anyway, so much for that.

好吧，无论如何，就这么多了。

It's really been nice to talk to you.

很高兴与你交谈。

And I want to leave you with one really profound statement that the more you drill in these castings, the lighter they get.

I want you to be sure if you don't remember anything else that you remember that.

我想让你确定你是否不记得任何你记得的事情。

This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.

《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。

中文为机器翻译，仅供参考。