130: Away From Home - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass Travel to Africa.
序言艾拉·格拉斯的非洲之旅。
People from Africa sometimes told Eddy Harris that he looked like he might be from Senegal, instead of St. Louis where, in fact, he was from.
来自非洲的人有时告诉艾迪·哈里斯，他看起来可能来自塞内加尔，而不是事实上他来自圣路易斯。
And when he finally arrived at the border of Senegal, the first black nation he had ever set foot in, a man at the border found out that he was from America and, incredibly, told him, welcome home.
当他最终到达塞内加尔（他踏足的第一个黑人国家）边境时，边境的一名男子发现他来自美国，令人难以置信的是，他告诉他，欢迎回家。
We're glad you're here.
我们很高兴你在这里。
It was a pretty magical moment, and I was expecting it to have opened the door into everybody saying, welcome home, brother.
那是一个非常神奇的时刻，我希望它能打开大门，让每个人都说：欢迎回家，兄弟。
And I got a lot of, welcome home, brother.
我得到了很多，欢迎回家，兄弟。
But I also got a lot of, how come you didn't come sooner, brother?
但我也得到了很多，兄弟你怎么不早点来？
Or, what are you doing to help us, brother?
或者，兄弟，你要帮我们做什么？
You, who are the most educated and the richest black people on the planet, how come you're not doing more to help us out, brother?
你们，是地球上受教育程度最高、最富有的黑人，为什么你们不做更多的事情来帮助我们呢，兄弟？
As black Americans.
作为美国黑人。
Eddy Harris As black Americans, yeah.
艾迪·哈里斯 作为美国黑人，是的。
For Eddy, as for a lot of black Americans, Africa had always been this kind of lurking spectre somewhere in the back of his mind.
对于艾迪和许多美国黑人来说，非洲一直是潜伏在他脑海深处的幽灵。
There was this idea that there was some place out there that could be a motherland.
有一种想法认为，那里有某个地方可能是祖国。
And then, there was the reality of life in Africa.
然后，就是非洲的现实生活。
For nearly a year, he traveled through the continent, staying with local people, living how they lived, eating what they ate.
在近一年的时间里，他走遍了非洲大陆，与当地人在一起，过他们的生活，吃他们吃的东西。
And he was often horrified at the conditions of their lives-- the lack of food, the disease, infant mortality rates, one repressive political regime after another-- all often accepted with kind of God-will-provide attitude.
他常常对他们的生活条件感到震惊——缺乏食物、疾病、婴儿死亡率、一个又一个的专制政治政权——这一切都常常以一种上帝会提供的态度接受。
Anyway, it all came to a head at the end of his trip when he was on a boat going up a river in Zaire.
不管怎样，当他在扎伊尔乘船逆流而上时，这一切都在他的旅行结束时达到了紧要关头。
There was this captain on this boat who, because I was taking pictures on the deck of this boat, had me and this English person, Justin, hauled up to the bridge.
这艘船上有一位船长，因为我在这艘船的甲板上拍照，所以他让我和这个英国人贾斯汀拖到了桥上。
And while we were there, he was vilifying this white guy, this Englishman, because his ancestors had hauled my ancestors out of Africa.
当我们在那里时，他正在诽谤这个白人，这个英国人，因为他的祖先把我的祖先从非洲拖了出来。
And he wanted to know why I wouldn't come to Africa to live and help build the place up.
他想知道为什么我不来非洲生活并帮助建设这个地方。
And he wanted to know, as well, how I could in good conscience, I suppose, live my life among these white people who had stolen my ancestors away.
他还想知道，我想，凭良心说，我怎样才能在这些偷走我祖先的白人中间生活。
And after having traveled in Africa already now for many, many months, and I was tired and exhausted and had lived this African experience and was just beat down, I turned to this white guy, Justin, and said thanks for his ancestors having stolen my ancestors.
在非洲旅行了很多很多个月之后，我已经疲惫不堪，经历了这种非洲经历，并且刚刚被击败，我转向这个白人贾斯汀，并对他的祖先偷走了我的祖先表示感谢。
In in mind and in the eyes of black Americans, that's probably a horrible thing to say.
在美国黑人的心中和眼中，这可能是一件可怕的事情。
Because what it sounds like is I'm grateful for slavery, which is not the case at all.
因为听起来像是我对奴隶制心存感激，但事实并非如此。
What it says to me is that I'm grateful for being alive and for having grown up as a black person in America.
它对我说的是，我很感激自己还活着，也很感激自己作为一个黑人在美国长大。
I don't know if I'd want to trade places with anybody African living in the middle of Zaire.
我不知道我是否愿意与居住在扎伊尔中部的非洲人交换位置。
Do you feel like there's a certain amount of pressure on black Americans to embrace Africa as a homeland?
你觉得美国黑人接受非洲作为家园有一定的压力吗？
Yeah, and it's all around.
是的，而且到处都是。
And you're supposed to, as a black person, tow this black person party line and embrace Africa as your homeland, even though most black Americans haven't got a clue about Africa, no more clue about African than I had, no more clue about Africa than they've got about Antarctica.
作为一个黑人，你应该遵循黑人党派路线，拥抱非洲作为你的祖国，尽管大多数美国黑人对非洲一无所知，对非洲的了解不比我多，对非洲的了解不比他们对南极洲的了解多。
It's a faraway place that, if you dropped them off in the middle of no place and said, you're home now, they'd be completely lost.
这是一个很远的地方，如果你把他们放在一个无人的地方并说，你现在到家了，他们就会完全迷路。
And yet, they're supposed to have this emotional allegiance to this place.
然而，他们应该对这个地方有这种情感上的忠诚。
And I can't buy it.
而且我买不到。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This .
嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥和国际公共广播电台，是 This 。
American .
美国人 。
Life .
生活 。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, Going Home to a Place You've Never Been.
今天我们的节目《回到你从未去过的地方》。
A lot of people try it.
很多人都在尝试。
Act One, Exile.
第一幕，流放。
A 26-year-old from Los Angeles gets deported to the country of his parents' birth.
一名来自洛杉矶的 26 岁男子被驱逐回其父母的出生国。
He last set foot there when he was five.
他最后一次踏足那里是在五岁的时候。
He has no memories of the place.
他对这个地方没有任何记忆。
He knows no one there.
那里他谁也不认识。
People have a hard time understanding him when he talks.
当他讲话时，人们很难理解他的意思。
This, he's told, is his new home.
他被告知，这是他的新家。
Act Two, Brothers From Another Mother, two stories of people finding strangers who they become convinced are, in some way, the home they've never known.
第二幕，来自另一个母亲的兄弟，两个故事讲述了人们发现陌生人，并确信他们在某种程度上是他们从未认识的家。
Stay with us, won't you?
留在我们身边，好吗？
Act One, Exile.
第一幕，流放。
In 1996, tough new immigration laws were passed making it easier to deport legal US residents who committed crimes.
1996年，严厉的新移民法获得通过，使得驱逐犯罪的合法美国居民变得更加容易。
The law expanded the definition of a deportable crime.
该法律扩大了可驱逐犯罪的定义。
It made the change retroactive.
它使更改具有追溯力。
Gang members from the United States were suddenly being exported in larger numbers to their countries of birth.
来自美国的帮派成员突然大量被输出到他们的出生国。
And many of them greeted these new homes away from home by acting exactly how they had acted here in the States.
他们中的许多人以与在美国时完全相同的方式迎接这些远离家乡的新家。
There have been big, big rises in gang activity in El Salvador and other countries as a result of the new laws.
由于新法律的实施，萨尔瓦多和其他国家的帮派活动大幅增加。
Jose William Huezo Soriano-- aka Weasel-- was deported just over a year ago to El Salvador.
何塞·威廉·韦佐·索里亚诺（又名黄鼠狼）一年多前被驱逐到萨尔瓦多。
He had to make the adjustment from living in a very rich country to a rather poor one.
他必须从生活在一个非常富裕的国家到一个相当贫穷的国家进行调整。
And he had to figure out who to be in this place that he was told was his new home.
他必须弄清楚这个被告知是他的新家的地方是谁。
Radio producer Joe Richman gave him a tape recorder to document how he's getting along.
广播制作人乔·里奇曼给了他一台录音机来记录他的相处方式。
Here's the story they put together.
这是他们整理的故事。
What's up?
这是怎么回事？
My name is Jose William Huezo Soriano.
我叫何塞·威廉·韦索·索里亚诺。
They call me Weasel.
他们叫我黄鼠狼。
I've been having that nickname ever since I was a kid, so I've had it for a long time.
我从小就有这个绰号，所以我已经用了很长时间了。
Here we go, I'm dialing out of the country right now, 0-1-8-1-8-5-0.
开始吧，我现在正在从国内拨打电话，0-1-8-1-8-5-0。
I'm 27 years old.
我今年27岁了。
I live in El Salvador.
我住在萨尔瓦多。
I've been here a year, a year and a half.
我在这里已经一年、一年半了。
It's ringing.
响了。
Hello?
你好？
Jose William Huezo Soriano Hello.
何塞·威廉·韦佐·索里亚诺 你好。
Hi.
你好。
Jose William Huezo Soriano Flora, what's up?
何塞·威廉·韦索·索里亚诺·弗洛拉，怎么了？
Not much.
不多。
How are you doing?
你好吗？
Jose William Huezo Soriano I'm doing good.
何塞·威廉·韦佐·索里亚诺 我做得很好。
My goodness.
天哪。
Where are you?
你在哪里？
Jose William Huezo Soriano I'm in El Salvador.
Jose William Huezo Soriano 我在萨尔瓦多。
Where else?
还有哪里？
I just wanted to talk to mom and see how she's doing.
我只是想和妈妈谈谈，看看她过得怎么样。
Here she is.
她在这里。
Hold on.
坚持，稍等。
Jose William Huezo Soriano All right.
何塞·威廉·韦佐·索里亚诺 好的。
My mom is cool, man.
我妈妈很酷，伙计。
My mom's name is Esther.
我妈妈的名字是埃丝特。
Esthaire.
埃斯特泰尔。
And I have her name tattooed on me, like with a little rose.
我把她的名字纹在了身上，就像纹了一朵小玫瑰一样。
Hi, mijo.
嗨，美乔。
Jose William Huezo Soriano Mom!
何塞·威廉·韦佐·索里亚诺 妈妈！
Como esta, mi hijito?
科莫埃斯塔，我hijito？
Jose William Huezo Soriano Bien, mom.
何塞·威廉·韦佐·索里亚诺·比恩，妈妈。
Y como estas, mom?
你现在怎么样了，妈妈？
I'm the youngest of seven kids.
我是七个孩子中最小的一个。
I come from a close-knit family.
我来自一个关系密切的家庭。
We're used to being around each other.
我们已经习惯了彼此在一起。
My mom's in LA.
我妈妈在洛杉矶。
She lives in Burbank.
她住在伯班克。
My sister's in Burbank.
我姐姐在伯班克。
All my nieces and nephews are in Burbank.
我所有的侄女和侄子都在伯班克。
My brother's in North Hollywood.
我哥哥在北好莱坞。
And here I am.
我在这里。
She's telling me she likes me to call her up and tell her that I'm doing all right, because then she feels all right.
她告诉我，她希望我给她打电话，告诉她我做得很好，因为这样她就会感觉很好。
Bueno, mom.
布埃诺，妈妈。
Ya me voy, OK?
你好，好吗？
Te quiero mucho.
Te quiero mucho.
Esta bien, verdad?
Esta bien，verdad？
Jose William Huezo Soriano Estoy muy bien, mom.
何塞·威廉·韦佐·索里亚诺·埃斯托伊，妈妈。
OK, si.
好的，斯。
I love you, mijo.
我爱你，美乔。
Jose William Huezo Soriano I love you, mom.
何塞·威廉·韦佐·索里亚诺 我爱你，妈妈。
OK, bye.
好的，再见。
I've got this document right here.
我这里有这份文件。
It says my full name, and it has a little box right here that's checked.
上面写着我的全名，这里有一个小方框，已勾选。
And it says deportable under section blah, blah, blah.
上面写着可以驱逐出境，等等等等。
Remove from the States.
从美国删除。
Anyway, the bottom line is that I've been banished from the US, like they used to do in the Medieval days.
不管怎样，最重要的是我被驱逐出美国，就像他们在中世纪时期所做的那样。
They used to ban fools.
他们过去常常禁止傻瓜。
I went to kindergarten in LA, elementary school, junior high school, high school.
我在洛杉矶上幼儿园，小学，初中，高中。
I grew up singing "My Country, 'Tis of Thee," that song, "America The Beautiful." I learned pledging allegiance to the flag.
我从小就唱着“我的国家，属于你”，那首歌“美丽的美国”。我学会了向国旗宣誓效忠。
I grew up with all that.
我是伴随着这一切长大的。
Here they are, 20-some years later, kicking me out.
二十多年后，他们把我赶了出去。
OK, we're en route to San Jacinto.
好的，我们正在前往圣哈辛托的途中。
This is the number five bus.
这是五路公交车。
We're going to downtown.
我们要去市中心。
These are old school buses from the United States that they send over here, paint them up, and they use them for public transportation.
这些是从美国运来的旧校车，他们把它们送到这里，把它们涂漆，然后用它们作为公共交通。
Everybody's looking at me weird because I'm wearing glasses, headphones, I've got this microphone.
每个人都用奇怪的眼神看着我，因为我戴着眼镜，戴着耳机，还有麦克风。
I'm just looking at the people, all the little shacks.
我只是看着人们，所有的小棚屋。
There's these little shacks on the side of the road.
路边有这些小棚屋。
It's a trip right here.
来这里就是一次旅行。
Well, maybe I should tell you a little bit about when I first got here.
好吧，也许我应该告诉你一些我第一次来这里的事情。
Damn, as I was driving to the city from the airport, it was hot.
该死，当我从机场开车去市区时，天气很热。
I would just look to the side and see little adobe huts, shacks.
我只是往旁边看，就会看到一些土坯房、棚屋。
And I was like, no, I ain't staying here, man.
我当时想，不，我不会留在这里，伙计。
This is crazy, man.
这太疯狂了，伙计。
I ain't going to live in no mud hut.
我不会住在泥屋里。
It was like if they sent me back, like, 200 years.
就好像他们把我送回了 200 年前。
I was like, they might as well have put me on Mars.
我当时想，他们还不如把我送上火星。
We're pulling over now.
我们现在靠边停车。
OK, here we are.
好的，我们到了。
We're in San Jacinto already.
我们已经到了圣哈辛托。
These streets we're walking on, this is where I first came when I got deported.
我们正在走的这些街道，这是我被驱逐出境时第一次来到的地方。
I didn't know anybody know in Salvador because all my relatives are in the United States.
我在萨尔瓦多不认识任何人，因为我所有的亲戚都在美国。
So I got ahold of one of my dad's distant cousins that he hadn't seen for 10, 20 years.
于是我找到了我父亲的一位远房表兄弟，他已经有 10 年、20 年没见了。
She gave me a break and let me stay here.
她让我休息一下，让我留在这里。
When I first got here, everybody thought I was a weirdo.
当我第一次来到这里时，每个人都认为我是个怪人。
They didn't even believe I was from here because I had such a tough time speaking Spanish.
他们甚至不相信我来自这里，因为我很难说西班牙语。
I speak Spanish, but a different Spanish, you know?
我说西班牙语，但是一种不同的西班牙语，你知道吗？
We're walking in the door.
我们走进门。
I stayed in that room right there.
我就住在那个房间里。
It was like a storage room.
它就像一个储藏室。
I'll open this door here.
我会在这里打开这扇门。
[SPEAKING SPANISH] Man, there's no light here.
[说西班牙语] 伙计，这里没有光。
When I first got here, I looked at the place where I was going to stay, and I said, this is it.
当我第一次来到这里的时候，我看了看我要住的地方，我说，就是这里了。
Because I walked in and all I seen was pieces of wood nailed together.
因为我走进去，看到的只是钉在一起的木头。
The house was made out of concrete, but it was all dark.
房子是用混凝土建造的，但里面一片漆黑。
The toilet was in the middle the yard.
厕所在院子中间。
It was like a little outhouse.
这就像一个小外屋。
It was just nothing I was used to.
这完全是我所不习惯的。
I spent the night in this room.
我在这个房间里过夜。
The first day I was there, I had almost fallen asleep, and a big old cockroach-- that sucker had to be at least three inches-- fell right on my chest.
我在那里的第一天，我几乎睡着了，一只又大又老的蟑螂——那个吸盘至少有三英寸——正好落在我的胸口上。
And I just jumped up.
我就跳了起来。
I grabbed at it, and I just threw it.
我抓住了它，然后就把它扔了。
And I heard it-- that's how big it was-- I heard that sucker fly across the room, boom, hit a wall, and I heard that sucker actually run away.
我听到了——那就是它有多大——我听到那个傻瓜飞过房间，轰隆隆，撞到了墙上，然后我听到那个傻瓜真的跑掉了。
It was a trip, man.
这是一次旅行，伙计。
When I was in the, I think, third, fourth grade, my teacher sent me to get an IQ test, and they recognized me as gifted and talented.
我想，当我上三、四年级时，我的老师让我去做智商测试，他们认为我有天赋和才华。
My parents telling me, you're intelligent.
我的父母告诉我，你很聪明。
You're going to be a doctor or lawyer.
你将成为一名医生或律师。
But things happen when you're growing up.
但当你长大的时候，事情就会发生。
You get caught up in other things.
你会陷入其他事情之中。
My criminal history started when I was a juvenile.
我的犯罪史从我青少年时期就开始了。
I'm kind of a short guy.
我是个矮个子。
I'm not too tall.
我不太高。
But I was a little tough kid.
但我是一个有点坚强的孩子。
I got into a gang when I was, like, 14 years old.
我大概14岁的时候就加入了一个帮派。
I was into drugs and violence and stuff, auto burglary.
我沉迷于毒品、暴力之类的东西，比如汽车盗窃。
I was living a crazy life.
我过着疯狂的生活。
So I was just hanging out with my homeboys one day, and I had a little gun, took it-- a little .25, I think it was, .22.
所以有一天我和我的同伙们出去玩，我有一把小枪，拿走了它——一点 0.25，我想是 0.22。
I don't know.
我不知道。
We were cruising in this neighborhood and seen some people.
我们在这个附近巡游并看到了一些人。
The driver pulled over, me and the other guy walked out, went up to the people, told them, It's not worth it, man.
司机把车停在路边，我和另一个人走出去，走到人们面前，告诉他们，这不值得，伙计。
Give it up.
放弃吧。
So they gave it up, their wallets, their purses, watches.
所以他们放弃了，他们的钱包，他们的钱包，手表。
So we took off, went to go pawn the stuff.
于是我们就出发了，去典当东西了。
But as we were leaving the pawn shop, boom, the cops swooped on us, drew their guns, put us all face down in the middle of the street.
但当我们离开当铺时，“砰”的一声，警察突然向我们扑来，拔出枪，把我们全部脸朝下放在街道中央。
Helicopter, in front of everybody, big old scene.
直升机，在大家面前，古老的大场景。
Took us in.
带我们进去了。
Gave me three years in prison.
判我三年有期徒刑。
Anyway, right when my time was about to finish in prison, I was out in the yard playing handball.
不管怎样，当我的监狱生涯即将结束时，我正在院子里打手球。
They came and called me.
他们过来打电话给我。
An INS agent came to visit me.
移民局的一名特工来看望我。
And I didn't think nothing of it, because I thought he was just going to ask me, where's your green card or where's your papers?
我并没有多想，因为我以为他只是想问我，你的绿卡或证件在哪里？
So he interviewed me to prove I was El Salvadorian.
所以他采访了我，以证明我是萨尔瓦多人。
They said, what's the national anthem?
他们说，国歌是什么？
I was like, man, I don't know.
我当时想，伙计，我不知道。
What's the biggest river?
最大的河流是什么？
I was like, what?
我当时想，什么？
I told them, look, man, I don't know nothing about El Salvador.
我告诉他们，看，伙计，我对萨尔瓦多一无所知。
I've been in this country for over 20 years, man.
我在这个国家已经二十多年了，伙计。
I don't know nothing about that country.
我对那个国家一无所知。
He was all pissed off because I didn't know what the biggest river was.
他很生气，因为我不知道最大的河流是什么。
I grew up in LA.
我在洛杉矶长大。
Longest river there is the LA River.
最长的河流是洛杉矶河。
Anyway, the bottom line is that they said they seen a pattern of criminal history and criminal activity.
无论如何，底线是他们说他们看到了犯罪历史和犯罪活动的模式。
They felt like there was no chance for me, that I couldn't change.
他们觉得我没有机会，我无法改变。
And that's why they deported me.
这就是他们驱逐我的原因。
The longest river here is Rio Lempa, the Lempa River, and it goes all through El Salvador.
这里最长的河流是Rio Lempa，即伦帕河，它贯穿萨尔瓦多。
Well, I know that now.
嗯，我现在知道了。
Right now, we're driving through, making some bus stops.
现在，我们正在开车经过，并停靠一些公交车站。
This is MS territory.
这是MS的领地。
And about four or five blocks down, we're going to enter a different gang territory.
往下大约四五个街区，我们将进入另一个帮派的领地。
This is a little paragraph in a tour guide book.
这是导游书中的一小段。
It says On Your Own in El Salvador.
上面写着“在萨尔瓦多靠你自己”。
And there's a little paragraph here that's kind of highlighted.
这里有一个小段落被强调了。
And it says, "Gang trouble.
上面写着：“帮派麻烦。
Gang violence in cities like LA and New York has spurred the US government to deport many of its worst offenders back to their native countries.
洛杉矶和纽约等城市的帮派暴力促使美国政府将许多最严重的罪犯驱逐回祖国。
For some Salvadorans with a history of violence and arrest, that means a return trip to El Salvador."
对于一些有暴力和逮捕历史的萨尔瓦多人来说，这意味着返回萨尔瓦多。”
So this is in the guidebook.
所以这是指南中的内容。
I feel like I'm a tourist, a permanent one.
我觉得我是一名游客，一名永久的游客。
We're at this place.
我们在这个地方。
There's Mexican food called Que Taco Garabato.
有一种墨西哥菜叫 Que Taco Garabato。
I've tried the tortas here.
我在这里尝试过玉米饼。
They're excellent.
他们很优秀。
I recommend them a lot.
我推荐他们很多。
I'm going to try a quesadilla today.
今天我要尝尝玉米饼。
[SPEAKING SPANISH]
[说西班牙语]
Now that I accepted the fact that I have to stay here, I've started changing a few things.
既然我接受了我必须留在这里的事实，我已经开始改变一些事情。
I've had a lot of help from my family, my cousins.
我从我的家人、我的表兄弟姐妹那里得到了很多帮助。
They make furniture here.
他们在这里制作家具。
They're carpenters by trade.
他们的职业是木匠。
I work with them for no pay.
我和他们一起工作，没有报酬。
I don't mind, considering the fact that I was a criminal, and I got deported, and they had heard a little bit about my past.
我不介意，考虑到我是一名罪犯，我被驱逐出境，而且他们听说了一些我的过去。
Considering all that, they still let me stay.
考虑到这一切，他们还是让我留下来。
And I really appreciate it.
我真的很感激。
But now I live out on my own.
但现在我一个人生活。
The food's here.
食物来了。
A little chile right there.
那里有一点智利。
Damn, the food looks delicious.
该死，食物看起来很好吃。
When I came back here, I remembered a few things, like foods that I hadn't smelled or tasted for years.
当我回到这里时，我想起了一些事情，比如我多年没有闻过或尝过的食物。
And I tried it, and I'd go, hey, I know this flavor.
我尝试了一下，然后我就说，嘿，我知道这个味道。
Bam, I remember this flavor when I was a kid.
巴姆，我记得小时候这个味道。
It's like trying to remember a dream.
这就像试图记住一个梦。
It's fuzzy.
很模糊。
You only remember little pieces.
你只记得一些小片段。
As you can see, I'm talking with my mouth full.
正如你所看到的，我说话时嘴里塞满了东西。
We'll take a little break here, savor the delicacies, get back at you in a few minutes.
我们将在这里休息一下，品尝美味佳肴，几分钟后回复您。
Out.
出去。
Where I live right now, actually, it's a good-looking place.
其实我现在住的地方，风景不错。
It's got a high ceiling.
它的天花板很高。
It's pretty big.
它相当大。
My room.
我的房间。
I had it all painted.
我把它全部画了。
I did some graffiti-style spray paint.
我做了一些涂鸦风格的喷漆。
Artistic stuff.
艺术的东西。
Anyway, right now, I'm just playing some music.
无论如何，现在我只是在播放一些音乐。
Pedro Infante is a Mexican ranchera singer.
佩德罗·因方特 (Pedro Infante) 是一位墨西哥牧场歌手。
My dad, he used to like Pedro Infante.
我爸爸以前很喜欢佩德罗·因凡特。
There's just something about the music that brings back a lot of memories.
音乐唤起了很多回忆。
I've got a little black photo album in front of me right here.
我面前有一本黑色的小相册。
Here's a picture of me in fifth grade.
这是我五年级时的照片。
I had long hair.
我留着长发。
I had a Pink Floyd shirt on.
我穿着平克·弗洛伊德衬衫。
I'm wearing Vans, Levis.
我穿的是Vans，李维斯。
Here's a picture of my brother and I skateboarding.
这是我和弟弟玩滑板的照片。
We had a half-pipe in my backyard.
我家后院有一个 U 型管。
Some memories, you know?
一些回忆，你知道吗？
I guess my closest relationship that I had would be with my brother.
我想我最亲密的关系是和我的兄弟。
He's six years older than me, and he took care of me a lot.
他比我大六岁，对我非常照顾。
I remember this one time we were hanging out, and there was these two real pretty girls.
我记得有一次我们出去玩，有两个非常漂亮的女孩。
And my brother was already a teenager.
我哥哥已经是一个十几岁的孩子了。
He was trying to make out with this girl.
他正想和这个女孩亲热。
And I liked her friend.
我喜欢她的朋友。
So I tried to do the same thing my brother did.
所以我尝试做我哥哥所做的同样的事情。
So I tried to kiss the girl, and she popped me in the mouth and busted my lip, and I started crying.
所以我试图亲吻那个女孩，她把我塞进嘴里，打破了我的嘴唇，我开始哭。
I remember my brother, he was hugging me, holding me, telling me, hey, shh, be quiet, be quiet, c'mon.
我记得我的兄弟，他拥抱着我，抱着我，告诉我，嘿，嘘，安静点，安静点，来吧。
Cleaning the blood off my lip with his shirt.
用他的衬衫清理我嘴唇上的血迹。
I don't know.
我不知道。
For some reason, I always thought I was smarter than my brother.
出于某种原因，我一直认为我比我哥哥聪明。
I spoke better English.
我的英语说得更好了。
I had better skills, like math skills.
我有更好的技能，比如数学技能。
But my brother, he always did the right thing.
但我的兄弟，他总是做正确的事。
My brother's an LA sheriff.
我哥哥是洛杉矶警长。
And me, I'm the convict.
而我，就是这个罪犯。
He did good things.
他做了好事。
I did bad things.
我做了坏事。
My brother joined the army.
我哥哥参军了。
I joined the gang.
我加入了这个帮派。
I don't know the name of it.
我不知道它的名字。
Jose William Huezo Soriano Hey, you got Beatles here?
Jose William Huezo Soriano 嘿，披头士乐队在这里吗？
All right.
好的。
We're going to play The Beatles right now.
我们现在要演奏披头士乐队。
It's a little loud.
声音有点大。
Got the Beatles playing in the background.
披头士乐队在后台演奏。
Just relaxing right here in the billiards.
就在这儿打台球放松一下吧。
Brand-new billiards.
全新的台球。
There's fluorescent lights.
有荧光灯。
It's cool, man.
太酷了，伙计。
It's like a place in the United States.
这就像在美国的一个地方。
Chalk?
粉笔？
Where's the chalk at?
粉笔在哪里？
Well, when I first got here, I didn't know anybody.
嗯，当我第一次来到这里时，我谁也不认识。
So one day, I seen two guys in the distance dressed LA-style, like, baggy.
所以有一天，我看到远处有两个家伙穿着洛杉矶风格，比如宽松的衣服。
And I said, those guys ain't from here.
我说，那些人不是这里人。
Right off the [?
就在[?
back, ?] I knew they weren't from here.
回来了，？]我知道他们不是来自这里。
As he got closer I said, damn, I know that fool.
当他走近时，我说，该死，我认识那个傻瓜。
He looks familiar.
他看起来很熟悉。
And he got closer, and I said, yep, that's him.
他走近了，我说，是的，就是他。
And I told him, what's up, fool?
我告诉他，怎么了，傻瓜？
And he looks at me, he's like, "damn!" He couldn't stop saying damn.
他看着我，就像，“该死！”他忍不住说该死。
He was just like, "damn, what's up, man?" He goes, "You're from here?" I said, "Yeah, man.
他只是说，“该死，怎么了，伙计？”他问道：“你是这里的人吗？”我说：“是的，伙计。
I got deported, man." He's like, "Damn, me too, man, What up?
我被驱逐出境了，伙计。”他就像是，“该死，我也是，伙计，怎么了？
Damn."
该死的。”
I see you've got a couple of tattoos.
我看到你有几个纹身。
You've got one on your arm, like by your elbow.
你的手臂上有一个，比如你的肘部。
What does that say right there?
那里说了什么？
Pokey rest in peace.
波基安息吧。
Jose William Huezo Soriano I see you've got a really nice one on your leg.
Jose William Huezo Soriano 我看到你腿上有一个非常漂亮的。
Some real good work.
一些真正的好作品。
Who did that work?
那项工作是谁做的？
Just kidding.
只是在开玩笑。
I did it.
我做到了。
They make you dress like this to go to work?
他们让你穿成这样去上班？
Well, they don't make me, and the way I like it, the way I dress, you've got to change your style sometimes.
嗯，它们不会塑造我，而我喜欢的方式，我的着装方式，有时你必须改变你的风格。
A little bit classic, white, long-sleeved shirt--
有点经典的白色长袖衬衫——
I've ran into other guys I know from prison.
我遇到了其他我在监狱里认识的人。
They're doing all right.
他们做得很好。
There's Edgar.
埃德加在那里。
He did some prison time.
他在监狱里待过一段时间。
He got deported.
他被驱逐出境了。
Alex.
亚历克斯.
Frank.
坦率。
Rabbit.
兔子。
It didn't matter that he had kids that were US citizens.
他的孩子是美国公民并不重要。
They deported him anyway.
不管怎样，他们还是驱逐了他。
They split up his family.
他们拆散了他的家人。
Ringo has kids, too.
林戈也有孩子。
A little daughter.
一个小女儿。
They're like my second family.
他们就像我的第二个家庭。
We're out in the main street now, walking by the mariachis here.
我们现在来到了大街上，正经过这里的墨西哥流浪乐队。
We're going to go see what that's like right now.
我们现在就去看看那是什么样子。
Here the come, watch out.
来了，小心点。
Jose William Huezo Soriano Here they come.
何塞·威廉·韦佐·索里亚诺 他们来了。
Aw, you did it now, man.
噢，你现在做到了，伙计。
Chiquita, chiquita.
奇基塔，奇基塔。
It's weird, but in a way, I'm glad I'm not in LA.
这很奇怪，但在某种程度上，我很高兴我不在洛杉矶。
Over there in Los Angeles, a lot of guys are dead, they're life in prison, or just lost in drugs.
在洛杉矶，很多人死了，他们被判终身监禁，或者只是迷失在毒品中。
I feel lucky because I'm alive still.
我感到很幸运，因为我还活着。
I'm just through with that lifestyle.
我刚刚受够了那种生活方式。
I'm doing good.
我做得很好。
I'm working.
我在工作。
I'm doing the best I've ever done in my life.
我正在做我一生中做过的最好的事情。
I feel more alive now.
我现在感觉更有活力了。
I woke up.
我醒了。
I just snapped out of it.
我刚刚恢复过来。
I feel like I've been given a second chance.
我觉得我得到了第二次机会。
Here I am in my living room.
我在我的客厅里。
I got this video.
我收到了这个视频。
It's a tape that my family recorded.
这是我家人录制的磁带。
Let's see what's on here.
让我们看看这里有什么。
There's Burbank, where we live.
我们住的地方是伯班克。
I see the main street right there, Victory.
我看到主街就在那里，胜利街。
The apartments where my mom lives, and my sister lives next door.
我妈妈住的公寓，我姐姐住在隔壁。
I'm going to turn up the volume a little bit.
我要把音量调大一点。
There goes my mom.
我妈妈走了。
She's smiling all goofy, making faces at the camera.
她笑得很傻，对着镜头做鬼脸。
She's all nervous.
她很紧张。
She doesn't know what to say.
她不知道该说什么。
My mom says that she sends me hugs and kisses and that she loves me, she misses me.
我妈妈说她给我拥抱和亲吻，她爱我，她想念我。
I haven't seen my mom for over a year, year and a half.
我已经一年半没有见到妈妈了。
I know I'm going to see her soon, but as for me to go live with her and just be around her, that's impossible now.
我知道我很快就会见到她，但至于我要和她住在一起并在她身边，现在这是不可能的。
I imagine it, seeing my mom, hugging her, feeling the love that she generates.
我想象着，看到我的妈妈，拥抱她，感受她所产生的爱。
Damn.
该死。
Having a meal with her, talking to her, laughing with her, seeing my family.
和她一起吃饭，和她说话，和她一起笑，和我的家人见面。
I'll be 47 years old by the time I'm eligible to go back.
等我有资格回去的时候我就47岁了。
47, man.
47，男人。
I don't think I might even want to go back at that age.
我想我在那个年纪可能都不想回去了。
My mom ain't going to live no-- she's 66 right now.
我妈妈活不下去了——她现在 66 岁了。
She's not going to live no 20 years, man.
她活不了20年了，伙计。
It's [BLEEP] up.
它[哔]起来了。
We miss you.
我们想你。
Woman I love you, I miss you.
女人我爱你，我想念你。
Call me.
打电话给我。
I'll see you soon.
我很快就会见到你。
I'll see you soon, man.
我很快就会见到你，伙计。
Jose William Huezo Soriano And that was the end of the tape.
Jose William Huezo Soriano 磁带就这样结束了。
Everybody's happy in the video.
视频里大家都很开心。
They're all telling me they miss me, they love me.
他们都告诉我他们想念我，他们爱我。
That's really good to hear once in a while, especially if it's pre-recorded.
偶尔听到这样的声音真是太好了，特别是如果它是预先录制的。
You could always play it again and again.
你总是可以一次又一次地玩它。
Well, got a few minutes left before I close.
好吧，距离结束还有几分钟。
I just want to say, what's up to all my familia, let you all know that I'm thinking of you.
我只想说，我的家人怎么办，让你们都知道我在想你们。
And I don't want you guys to worry because I'm living good here.
我不想让你们担心，因为我在这里过得很好。
I love you, Mom.
妈妈我爱你。
I miss you, and I know you're proud of me.
我想念你，我知道你为我感到骄傲。
That's about it.
就是这样。
I'm signing out.
我要退出。
It's a wrap.
这是一个包裹。
These days, Weasel's job is working with an organization in San Salvador called Homies Unidos.
如今，Weasel 的工作是与圣萨尔瓦多一个名为 Homies Unidos 的组织合作。
He's their treasurer.
他是他们的财务主管。
The group is made up of current and former gang members who are working to reduce gang violence in El Salvador.
该组织由现任和前任帮派成员组成，致力于减少萨尔瓦多的帮派暴力。
Weasel wanted to dedicate this radio story to his friend at Homies Unidos, Ringo, who was mentioned in the story, actually, and was shot and killed in El Salvador last week.
Weasel 想将这个广播故事献给他在 Homies Unidos 的朋友 Ringo，实际上，故事中提到了他，上周在萨尔瓦多被枪杀。
Weasel's diary was reported and narrated by Jose William Huezo Soriano, that is, by Weasel.
黄鼠狼的日记由何塞·威廉·韦索·索里亚诺（Jose William Huezo Soriano）即黄鼠狼来报道和叙述。
The story was produced by Joe Richman as part of the Radio Diaries series, with help from Wendy Dorr.
这个故事由乔·里奇曼 (Joe Richman) 在温迪·多尔 (Wendy Dorr) 的帮助下制作，作为广播日记系列的一部分。
[MUSIC--"CALIFORNIA GIRLS" BY BEACH BOYS]
[音乐--海滩男孩的《加州女孩》]
Coming up, a photograph spotted by chance in a country other than the one in which it was taken, a man named Irving met one spring night in a living room, and how these random encounters push people's lives through 180-degree turns.
接下来是一张在拍摄地以外的国家偶然发现的照片，一个名叫欧文的男人在一个春天的夜晚在客厅里相遇，以及这些偶然的相遇如何使人们的生活发生 180 度的转变。
That's in a minute, from Public Radio International, when our program continues.
稍后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of stories on that theme.
当然，我们每周的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种故事。
Today's program, Going Home to the Place You've Never Been.
今天的节目，回到你从未去过的地方。
Up until now on our program, we've heard stories of people who ended up in foreign countries that they'd been told was their motherland.
到目前为止，在我们的节目中，我们已经听到了一些人的故事，他们最终来到了国外，并被告知他们是自己的祖国。
But it didn't really feel like home when they got there.
但当他们到达那里时，并没有真正的家的感觉。
In this half of the program, we hear from people who stumbled upon a place where they instantly and instinctively felt more at home than in their real homes.
在节目的这半部分中，我们听到人们偶然发现了一个地方，在那里他们立即本能地感到比在真正的家中更自在。
We've arrived at Act Two.
我们已经到了第二幕了。
Act Two, Brothers From Another Mother.
第二幕，另一个母亲的兄弟。
As Stephen Dubner a writes in his memoir, Turbulent Souls , he was raised in a big Catholic family in Upstate New York, youngest of eight kids, altar boy in church.
正如斯蒂芬·杜布纳 (Stephen Dubner) 在他的回忆录《动荡的灵魂》(Turbulent Souls) 中所写，他在纽约州北部的一个天主教大家庭中长大，是八个孩子中最小的一个，也是教堂的祭坛男孩。
And one year, after he went away to college, a student was giving him a ride back to his mother's during spring break.
有一年，他去上大学后，一名学生在春假期间载他回母亲家。
And they stopped at a house on the way.
他们在途中在一所房子前停了下来。
The driver announced that they were going to stop for two days to attend his grandfather's 80th birthday party.
司机宣布他们要停车两天去参加他祖父的80岁生日聚会。
And Stephen found himself in this house full of strangers.
斯蒂芬发现自己身处这个充满陌生人的房子里。
And the night before the party, I was staying there, and there was this other family staying there.
聚会前一天晚上，我住在那里，还有另一个家庭住在那里。
And there was this guy named Irving with his wife and two children.
有一个叫欧文的人和他的妻子和两个孩子。
Irving said to me-- they said that they were from Brooklyn, that they had flown down from Brooklyn.
欧文对我说——他们说他们来自布鲁克林，他们是从布鲁克林飞来的。
And I said, "Oh, my parents are from Brooklyn."
我说：“哦，我的父母来自布鲁克林。”
He said, "whereabouts?" And I said, "I don't know.
他说：“去哪儿了？”我说：“我不知道。
I think my mother lives somewhere near Ebbets Field." He said, "you've never been back?
我想我母亲住在埃贝茨球场附近的某个地方。”他说：“你还没回来吗？
You've never been back to visit your bubba?" I said, "What's a bubba?"
你从来没有回去看望过你的爸爸吗？”我说：“布巴是什么？”
And he looked at me, he said, "Aren't you Jewish?" And I said, "Well, no." I said, "But now that you mention it, my parents were both Jewish, and then they both became Catholic." And when I said that, he looked at me like I was a freak.
他看着我说：“你不是犹太人吗？”我说：“好吧，不。”我说：“但是既然你提到了，我的父母都是犹太人，然后他们都成为了天主教徒。”当我这么说的时候，他看着我，就像我是一个怪物一样。
For some reason, I was very relaxed with this family.
出于某种原因，我对这个家庭感到非常放松。
And we were hanging out in this place where I had no idea why I was there, what I was doing there.
我们在这个地方闲逛，我不知道我为什么在那里，我在那里做什么。
And I started playing piano, and we played and played, and they sang.
我开始弹钢琴，我们弹啊弹，他们唱歌。
I played, they sang.
我演奏，他们唱歌。
And he said, "Well, you sure play the piano like you're Jewish." I said, "Is that a good thing or a bad thing?" He said, "From where I sit, that's a good thing." And I felt this connection with Irving and his family like I'd kind of never felt before.
他说：“好吧，你弹钢琴确实像犹太人一样。”我说：“这是好事还是坏事？”他说：“从我的立场来看，这是一件好事。”我感受到了与欧文和他的家人之间的这种联系，这是我以前从未有过的感觉。
It was a level of comfort that was very odd.
这是一种非常奇怪的舒适感。
For me to be a weird, shy teenager, in a place that I was uncomfortable, with people I'd never met, to be relaxed enough to hang out all night and play the piano with them and sing songs that were essentially silly, there was level of relaxation that went beyond-- it's like what you want your family to be.
对我来说，作为一个奇怪、害羞的青少年，在一个我不舒服的地方，和我从未见过的人在一起，足够放松地整夜闲逛，和他们一起弹钢琴，唱本质上愚蠢的歌曲，有一种超越的放松程度——就像你希望你的家人成为的那样。
I think there was something that-- I'm scared to call it genetic, and it's obviously something more than some kind of cultural fingerprint-- but there was something in the way that Irving looked at the world and the people in it, and there was a manner about him that relaxed my genes a little bit.
我认为有一些东西——我不敢称之为遗传，这显然不仅仅是某种文化指纹——但欧文看待世界和世界上的人的方式中有一些东西，他的某种方式让我的基因放松了一点。
And it's one of those inexplicable things that is very real.
这是那些令人费解却又非常真实的事情之一。
It's like love, I guess, right?
我想这就像爱情，对吗？
You can't define it, and you can't bottle it, and you can't turn it into an equation, but you know how much it either hurts or makes you feel good.
你无法定义它，你无法将它装在瓶子里，你也无法将它变成一个方程式，但你知道它要么伤害你，要么让你感觉良好。
And this was exactly like that.
这就是这样。
This is precisely the sort of not-easy-to-explain experience that changes people's lives.
这正是一种难以解释的改变人们生活的经历。
And it changed Stephen's.
它改变了斯蒂芬的。
Later, he looked back on it as the turning point that led him to converting to Judaism, which brings us to our next story.
后来，他回顾这件事，认为这是他皈依犹太教的转折点，这也引出了我们的下一个故事。
A Hungarian journalist who was passing through the States told us about this one, and went out with a tape recorder here in Chicago to do the interviews for our program.
一位路过美国的匈牙利记者向我们讲述了这件事，并带着录音机到芝加哥这里为我们的节目进行采访。
Her name is Anna Lengyel.
她的名字叫安娜·伦吉尔。
The story is about two people who had exactly the same kind of irrational moment of recognition that Stephen Dubner experienced.
这个故事讲述的是两个人经历了与史蒂芬·杜布纳完全相同的非理性认知时刻。
They simply decided, at some point, that they had more in common with each other than either one of them had with anyone else.
他们只是在某个时刻认定，他们彼此之间的共同点比任何一个人与其他人之间的共同点都多。
The story begins with a woman named Ida, who was born in Poland during the Second World War to a Jewish family.
故事始于一位名叫艾达的妇女，她出生于第二次世界大战期间的波兰一个犹太家庭。
When the Nazis invaded Poland and started shipping Jews off to concentration camps, she was separated from her family, including from her twin brother, Adam.
当纳粹入侵波兰并开始将犹太人送往集中营时，她与家人分离，包括与她的双胞胎兄弟亚当分离。
A Christian family took her in and pretended that she was their child until after the war, when her father tracked her down and retrieved her.
一个基督教家庭收留了她，并假装她是他们的孩子，直到战后，她的父亲找到了她并找回了她。
They searched for the rest of their family, but they never found them.
他们寻找其他家人，但始终没有找到。
And long after she moved to the United States-- to Chicago-- she couldn't get over the feeling that her twin brother was still alive, out there somewhere.
在她搬到美国芝加哥很久之后，她一直无法忘记她的双胞胎兄弟还活着，就在外面的某个地方。
She found that she was always thinking about him, imagining what she would say to him when she saw him again.
她发现自己一直在想着他，想象着再次见到他时会对他说些什么。
It was kind of a compulsion.
这是一种强迫。
Whenever I went to another city or another country, the first thing I would do is pick up the telephone book and search for his name, Paluch.
每当我去另一个城市或另一个国家时，我要做的第一件事就是拿起电话簿并搜索他的名字，帕鲁克。
But I had no luck.
但我没有运气。
There were Paluch, but they were not Jewish, or another country.
有帕鲁克人，但他们不是犹太人，也不是另一个国家。
They were maybe Italian or French or whatever.
他们可能是意大利人或法国人或其他什么人。
Wherever I went, I looked in the telephone book.
无论我走到哪里，我都会查电话簿。
I was looking for family almost for my whole life.
我几乎一生都在寻找家人。
While Ida was searching, there was a man in Poland named Jerzy Dolebski.
当艾达（Ida）寻找时，波兰有一个名叫杰西·多莱布斯基（Jerzy Dolebski）的人。
He grew up in a Christian family, but he never felt right in his family.
他在一个基督教家庭长大，但他在家庭中从来没有感觉良好。
He says his parents never showed him the affection they gave to their other children.
他说他的父母从未向他表达过对其他孩子的关爱。
Like Ida, he told his story to Hungarian journalist Anna Lengyel.
和艾达一样，他向匈牙利记者安娜·伦耶尔讲述了自己的故事。
I was thinking, what going on?
我在想，这是怎么回事？
Because I saw other kids, they are kissing my parents.
因为我看到其他孩子，他们正在亲吻我的父母。
They walk in Sunday together.
他们周日一起散步。
I never.
我从来没有。
My responsibility was only clean yards around home.
我的责任只是清理家里周围的院子。
Clean shoes for everybody.
为每个人清洁鞋子。
Were you badly treated?
你受到过不好的待遇吗？
Adam Paluch Yes, my Polish parents treated me like that.
亚当·帕鲁克 是的，我的波兰父母就是这样对待我的。
And they told me, this is for your best.
他们告诉我，这是为了你最好。
Around the time Jerzy was 12, his Polish parents decided to send him to an orphanage.
杰西 12 岁左右时，他的波兰父母决定将他送到孤儿院。
They told him it was because they didn't have enough money to keep him at home, but Jerzy noticed they didn't send their other children away.
他们告诉他，这是因为他们没有足够的钱让他留在家里，但杰西注意到他们没有将其他孩子送走。
And he concluded that he must be adopted.
他得出的结论是他必须被收养。
His Polish family denied it for years, then finally admitted it.
他的波兰家人多年来一直否认这一点，后来终于承认了。
So as a teenager, Jerzy started to look for his real family.
因此，在十几岁的时候，杰西开始寻找他真正的家人。
He contacted a Jewish organization in Poland, but they turned him away.
他联系了波兰的一个犹太组织，但他们拒绝了他。
They told him he wasn't Jewish.
他们告诉他他不是犹太人。
And what finally ended his search and brought these two people together-- Jerzy and Ida-- was a photograph-- one photograph-- that happened to be published in America.
最终结束他的搜索并使这两个人——杰西和艾达——走到一起的是一张照片——一张照片——这张照片恰好在美国出版。
One day-- it was 1995-- my girlfriend sent me this article from Connecticut, from Jewish Ledger .
1995 年的一天，我的女朋友从康涅狄格州给我发了这篇来自《Jewish Ledger》的文章。
And she inscribed on top of it, you might find it very interesting.
她在上面写了字，你可能会觉得很有趣。
And in the article, there was description of Jewish Holocaust children survivors and the picture of a bearded man, who kind of took me into a little shock when I look at him, because he looked like my grandfather.
文章中描述了犹太大屠杀儿童幸存者和一个留着胡子的男人的照片，当我看着他时，我有点震惊，因为他看起来像我的祖父。
So I was in shock a few months.
所以我震惊了几个月。
And finally, one day, I decided I must do something about it.
最后，有一天，我决定我必须为此做点什么。
And I wrote to the reporter of that Jewish Ledger .
我写信给《犹太纪事报》的记者。
And when I found her, I ask her about this man that she interviewed in Poland.
当我找到她时，我向她询问了她在波兰采访过的这个男人的情况。
What does she know about him?
她对他了解多少？
And she said, actually he does not remember much from his childhood.
她说，其实他对童年的记忆并不多。
I don't remember anything from wartime.
我不记得战时的任何事情。
This is like blank something, like, doesn't exist.
这就像空白的东西，不存在。
And I thought many times that the reason I do not hear from my brother is probably he does not remember.
我多次想，我没有收到哥哥的消息可能是因为他不记得了。
And I decided I'm going to get in touch with him.
我决定与他取得联系。
So on January 13, 1995, I finally called him.
于是在1995年1月13日，我终于给他打了电话。
And he said, "Why do you think I am your brother, your twin brother?
他说：“你为什么认为我是你的兄弟，你的双胞胎兄弟？
When were you born?
你什么时候出生的？
"I was born on May 3, 1939." So he answered, "You're not my sister, because I was born October 15, 1942." So I said, "How do you know for sure?" He said, "Because my Christian birth certificate says so."
“我出生于1939年5月3日。”于是他回答说：“你不是我妹妹，因为我出生于1942年10月15日。”所以我说：“你怎么确定？”他说：“因为我的基督教出生证明是这么说的。”
So I took a breath and I told him, "Guess what.
于是我吸了一口气，告诉他：“你猜怎么着？
My Christian birth certificate says the same thing, that I was born in 1942.
我的基督教出生证明上也写着同样的内容：我出生于 1942 年。
So there are discrepancies here because we had false papers."
所以这里存在差异，因为我们有假文件。”
So I felt very, very strong about it.
所以我对此感觉非常非常强烈。
And I said, my God, how am I going to convince him that he's my brother.
我说，天哪，我该如何让他相信他是我的兄弟。
Because you were sure?
因为你确定？
Ida Paluch My instinct told me, my everything.
艾达·帕鲁克 我的直觉告诉我，我的一切。
I was already sure.
我已经确定了。
And I ask him, "Do you remember anything from the past?
我问他：“你还记得过去的事情吗？
Anything?" And he says, "I told you first time that I did not remember, but now I know that I remember one thing.
有什么事吗？”他说，“我第一次告诉你我不记得了，但现在我知道我记得一件事。
When I was taken by my Polish foster parents after the war, I was praying-- something that they reminded me all the time-- I was saying, God help mommy, daddy, and Mr. Leon."
战后，当我被波兰养父母带走时，我一直在祈祷——他们一直提醒我这一点——我说，上帝帮助妈妈、爸爸和莱昂先生。”
And I said, "Do you know who is Mr. Leon?" He says, "No." I said, "That's the name of our father.
我说：“你知道莱昂先生是谁吗？”他说：“不。”我说：“这是我们父亲的名字。
You were praying for your father."
你正在为你的父亲祈祷。”
You had been married by this time, hadn't you?
这个时候你已经结婚了，不是吗？
I married my wife in 1965.
我于 1965 年与妻子结婚。
And when I saw my wife, after three days, I decided to marry her.
三天后，当我看到我的妻子时，我决定娶她。
And I don't know why til I found my sister.
我不知道为什么，直到我找到了我的妹妹。
She sent me picture of my mother, you see here?
她给我发了我母亲的照片，你看到了吗？
My wife looks similar, very similar, to my mother.
我的妻子和我的母亲长得很相似，非常相似。
And I think [UNINTELLIGIBLE] I remember something.
我想[无法理解]我记得一些事情。
Since that time, when we both established that there is possibility we are twins, I cried every day for any little thing.
从那时起，当我们都确定我们有可能是双胞胎时，我每天都会因为任何小事而哭泣。
I was so sensitive.
我太敏感了。
I couldn't concentrate at work.
我无法集中精力工作。
And I missed him.
我想念他。
I wanted to hear him all the time.
我一直想听他说话。
I wanted to talk to him.
我想和他谈谈。
And it seemed like we had like tele--
看起来我们好像有电视——
Telepathy.
心灵感应。
Ida Paluch Yeah, right.
艾达·帕鲁克 是的，对。
Whenever I thought about him, he would call me.
每当我想起他，他就会给我打电话。
And in the beginning, he called me once in two weeks.
一开始，他每两周给我打一次电话。
Then he called me every week.
然后他每周都给我打电话。
And toward the end, he called me five, six times a day.
最后，他每天给我打电话五六次。
It was not enough.
这还不够。
Still, there was no concrete evidence that they were brother and sister.
尽管如此，仍然没有具体证据表明他们是兄妹。
And nothing in the official paper trail suggested that they were related.
官方文件记录中没有任何内容表明它们之间存在关联。
But Ida decided to go to Poland anyway, to meet the man she believed was her brother.
但艾达还是决定去波兰，去见那个她认为是她哥哥的男人。
So the final date that we established that I'm going to go to Poland, April 28, 1995.
所以我们确定我去波兰的最后日期是 1995 年 4 月 28 日。
And we met in the Warsaw airport for the first time.
我们第一次见面是在华沙机场。
And it was like a magnet.
它就像一块磁铁。
From all the people that stood there, I knew which one is my brother.
从站在那里的所有人中，我知道哪一个是我的兄弟。
My brother also brought some people from Polish television to record this moment of us meeting.
我哥哥还带来了波兰电视台的一些人来记录我们见面的这一刻。
So there were cameras, and we felt like celebrities.
所以有相机，我们感觉自己像名人。
And, of course, we had no privacy.
当然，我们没有隐私。
Wasn't that too bad?
那不是太糟糕了吗？
Ida Paluch It was a little strange, but I just see my brother, nobody else.
艾达·帕鲁克 这有点奇怪，但我只看到了我的兄弟，没有其他人。
I just see the miracle, what happened.
我只看到奇迹，发生了什么。
And people were standing and crying, not knowing, actually, why we are crying.
人们站着哭，实际上并不知道我们为什么哭。
First night in our life together, we slept in one room.
我们在一起生活的第一个晚上，我们睡在一个房间里。
And we talk.
我们交谈。
And in one moment, we started to sing same song.
就在一瞬间，我们开始唱同一首歌。
Lullaby.
摇篮曲。
Adam Paluch And I ask her, from when do you know this song?
Adam Paluch 我问她，你从什么时候知道这首歌的？
Because for today, I don't know from when, because I never heard it from my Polish parents.
因为今天，我不知道从什么时候开始，因为我从未从我的波兰父母那里听到过。
We were singing the same lullaby about two kittens, like twins.
我们唱着同样的摇篮曲，里面有两只小猫，就像双胞胎一样。
Ida was supposed to stay in Poland just two weeks, but two weeks became four.
艾达本应在波兰只待两周，但两周变成了四个星期。
They just could not stand the idea of being separated from each other.
他们只是无法忍受彼此分离的想法。
Then Jerzy decided to change his name to Adam Paluch, the name Ida told him he'd been born with.
然后杰西决定把他的名字改成亚当·帕鲁克，艾达告诉他这个名字是他与生俱来的。
Meanwhile, his family was having trouble adjusting.
与此同时，他的家人却难以适应。
And his wife of 30 years-- the mother of his children-- started to become jealous of Ida.
与他结婚 30 年的妻子——他孩子们的母亲——开始嫉妒艾达。
When my sister came, I bring her to our home.
当我姐姐来的时候，我带她到我们家。
And this was understandable for me.
这对我来说是可以理解的。
I hold her hand.
我握住她的手。
We walked on the street, for example.
例如，我们走在街上。
We talk all the time.
我们一直在说话。
And I have no time for my wife.
而且我没有时间陪我的妻子。
Me and my sister, we have so much information to say.
我和我姐姐，我们有很多信息要说。
And your wife was jealous.
你的妻子很嫉妒。
Adam Paluch My wife, for example, told me, "I don't want you to go to walk without your sister hand with her--
亚当·帕鲁克 例如，我的妻子告诉我，“我不希望你在没有姐姐的手陪伴的情况下去散步——
Hand-in-hand.
手拉手。
Adam Paluch --hand-in-hand, because people started to talk.
亚当·帕鲁克——手拉手，因为人们开始交谈。
You have other woman.
你有别的女人了。
Nobody knows this is your sister.
没有人知道这是你的妹妹。
And I tell her, "Don't fight with my sister, because you will lose."
我告诉她，“不要和我姐姐打架，因为你会输的。”
His family did not respond the way he expected.
他的家人并没有按照他的预期做出回应。
When I came, I was the proof that he was a Jew.
当我来的时候，我就是他是犹太人的证据。
And they did not want anybody in Poland to know that.
他们不想让波兰的任何人知道这一点。
They told us not to advertise that we are Jewish.
他们告诉我们不要宣传我们是犹太人。
When I was about to leave Poland, he told me that he would like to meet my family.
当我即将离开波兰时，他告诉我他想见见我的家人。
And I wanted him to meet my family.
我想让他见见我的家人。
So he came here as a tourist.
所以他以游客的身份来到这里。
He had a visa for a few months.
他有几个月的签证。
And once he came with me to Chicago, every time we talked about that separation, it was harder to talk.
一旦他和我一起来到芝加哥，每次我们谈论分离时，就变得更难谈论。
And also, unfortunately, his family got cooler toward him, his wife and his children.
而且，不幸的是，他的家人对他、他的妻子和孩子们的态度也变得冷淡了。
They stopped calling him.
他们不再给他打电话了。
They stopped talking to him.
他们不再和他说话了。
His wife wouldn't come to the telephone when he called her.
当他打电话给他的妻子时，她没有接电话。
Things fell apart.
事情分崩离析了。
Yes.
是的。
It's a very good point you're asking me.
你问我这个问题非常好。
My family was surprised and felt like they're losing me.
我的家人很惊讶，感觉他们正在失去我。
Like, what's happening to me?
比如说，我这是怎么了？
All heart somewhere else.
所有的心都在别处。
They were not ready for that.
他们还没有准备好。
I was stranger.
我很陌生。
And they tried to understand how, in which way I am her brother.
他们试图理解我如何、以何种方式成为她的兄弟。
It was very hard.
这非常困难。
Even my daughter told me that I'm neglecting her children because of my brother.
甚至我的女儿也告诉我，因为我的兄弟，我忽视了她的孩子。
In Poland, they show, on TV, movie about our meeting, about my life.
在波兰，他们在电视、电影中播放有关我们的会面和我的生活的内容。
And they prepare opinion I am bad man because I leave my family.
他们准备认为我是坏人，因为我离开了我的家人。
He was portrayed as the one who left the family, the bad guy.
他被描绘成离开家庭的人，坏人。
And they were the victims.
他们是受害者。
And the movie was prepared like that, [SPEAKING POLISH]
电影就是这样准备的，[说波兰语]
This is a true Jew.
这是一个真正的犹太人。
That's why he left his wife.
这就是他离开妻子的原因。
There was no way to come back.
没有办法回来了。
They didn't make him welcome anymore.
他们不再欢迎他了。
Adam decided to stay in America.
亚当决定留在美国。
He filed for divorce.
他提出离婚。
He'd been struggling in his marriage for years anyway.
无论如何，多年来他一直在婚姻中挣扎。
He moved in with Ida's family for two years and moved down the street from her.
他和艾达的家人一起住了两年，然后搬到了她家所在的街道上。
He took English classes.
他上英语课。
But getting a green card was difficult.
但获得绿卡却很困难。
Ida wrote letters to congresspeople, to immigration officials, to anybody she could think of.
艾达写信给国会议员、移民官员以及她能想到的任何人。
My sister fight for me about almost two years.
我姐姐为我奋斗了将近两年。
And this was really fighting.
这真是一场战斗。
She lost, two times, job because of that.
她因此两次失业。
How come you lost jobs?
你怎么失业了？
Ida Paluch Because I couldn't concentrate anymore on anything.
Ida Paluch：因为我无法再专注于任何事情。
I wanted him to stay.
我想让他留下来。
And I felt very, you know, to defend him like a mother.
你知道，我非常想像母亲一样保护他。
And I have this closeness to him.
我和他有这种亲密的关系。
I have to protect him.
我必须保护他。
Nobody in my previous life took care of me like she.
我的前世没有人像她一样照顾我。
We are inseparable.
我们形影不离。
Every day, we call each other.
每天，我们都会互相打电话。
And now that he lives in his own apartment, we still see each other almost every day.
现在他住在自己的公寓里，我们仍然几乎每天见面。
It's very strange but true.
这很奇怪，但却是事实。
I cut finger, she cut finger in the same time.
我割伤了手指，她也同时割伤了手指。
In the same place.
在同一个地方。
Anna Lengyel In two different houses?
安娜·伦耶尔在两个不同的房子里？
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass Ida and Adam told reporter Anna Lengyel story after story like this, of coincidences that seemed to prove to them in some way that they must be brother and sister, even though no hard proof exists.
艾拉·格拉斯·艾达和亚当向记者安娜·伦吉尔讲述了一个又一个这样的故事，这些巧合似乎以某种方式向他们证明他们一定是兄妹，尽管没有确凿的证据存在。
Their families both agitated for DNA tests, but they refused.
他们的家人都极力要求进行DNA检测，但他们都拒绝了。
To them, they don't need further proof.
对他们来说，他们不需要进一步的证据。
They just know.
他们只是知道。
There's an uncanny quality when you fall in love.
当你坠入爱河时，会有一种不可思议的品质。
And there's an uncanny quality to finding the home you've never had.
找到你从未拥有过的家是一种不可思议的品质。
And at some level, what is there to say?
在某种程度上，有什么可说的？
What makes home feel like home?
是什么让家有家的感觉？
The fact that it feels like home.
事实上，这里感觉就像家一样。
You mentioned that you are the two people feeling closest to each other, really closest in this world.
你提到你们是这个世界上最亲近的两个人。
So if you happened to have a DNA test tomorrow, which would prove that you're not sister and brother, how would you feel after those--
所以，如果你明天碰巧进行 DNA 测试，这将证明你们不是兄妹，那么之后你会有什么感觉——
We'll be still sister and brother, definitely.
我们肯定仍然是姐妹和兄弟。
A DNA test was already thrown in our faces many times, which in the beginning, upset us.
DNA测试已经多次出现在我们面前，这在一开始让我们感到不安。
Not anymore.
不再。
We don't want to prove to anybody anything.
我们不想向任何人证明任何事情。
We just prove to each other, and that's enough for us.
我们只要向对方证明，这对我们来说就足够了。
Anyway, it seems that you were absolutely sure, or you wanted very badly, very much, to believe.
不管怎样，看起来你绝对确定，或者你非常非常想要相信。
No. Adam Paluch No. When I saw her first time in airport, my doubts gone out, away.
不。亚当·帕鲁克 不。当我第一次在机场看到她时，我的疑虑就消失了。
Immediately.
立即地。
Well, he is exact copy on father's side and I'm copy of mother's side.
嗯，他是父亲的复制品，而我是母亲的复制品。
When I was in Poland, I decide I will not do any blood test.
当我在波兰时，我决定不做任何验血。
We don't need it.
我们不需要它。
Adam Paluch And I told to my son, if you need, I will do, and I will close an envelope, and I left it in lawyer office, and after my death, you can open.
亚当·帕鲁克 我告诉我的儿子，如果你需要，我会做，我会合上一个信封，我把它留在律师办公室，在我死后，你可以打开。
I can't tell anymore.
我已经说不清了
He'll cry.
他会哭。
I believe in God.
我相信上帝。
I don't need DNA test, because I believe what happened to us, it has the hand of a higher power.
我不需要DNA测试，因为我相信发生在我们身上的事情，有更高的力量之手。
People who are not touched by Holocaust, they don't understand Holocaust survivors, what every little thing means to us.
没有被大屠杀感动的人，他们不了解大屠杀幸存者，不了解每件小事对我们意味着什么。
To some, it might be unimportant, nothing to think about twice, and to us, are very important things, because we'll look for every little piece of evidence.
对某些人来说，这可能并不重要，没有什么需要三思而后行的，而对我们来说，却是非常重要的事情，因为我们会寻找每一个小证据。
We are already sister and brother when we are Holocaust survivors.
当我们是大屠杀幸存者时，我们就已经是兄弟姐妹了。
We have the same past.
我们有同样的过去。
We understand each other very well.
我们非常了解彼此。
Not only me and Adam but all the people who are in our group of hidden children and Holocaust children survivors understand each other.
不仅是我和亚当，我们隐藏的儿童和大屠杀儿童幸存者群体中的所有人都互相理解。
You can say one sentence, and they'll finish it for you.
你只要说一句话，他们就会帮你说完。
Those interviews by Anna Lengyel, a senior producer for Hungarian Radio in Budapest.
布达佩斯匈牙利广播电台高级制作人安娜·朗耶尔 (Anna Lengyel) 的采访。
Our program produced today by Alix Spiegel and myself, with Nancy Updike and Julie Snyder.
我们今天的节目由我和阿利克斯·斯皮格尔、南希·厄普代克和朱莉·斯奈德共同制作。
Contributing editors, Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, and Consigliere Sarah Vowell.
特约编辑 Paul Tough、Jack Hitt、Margy Rochlin 和 Consigliere Sarah Vowell。
Production help from Jorge Just, Todd Bachmann, and Sylvia Lemus.
Jorge Just、Todd Bachmann 和 Sylvia Lemus 为制作提供帮助。
Marketing by Marge Ostroushko.
玛吉·奥斯特鲁什科的营销。
Research help this week from the authoritative Julie Rigby.
本周，权威人士朱莉·里格比（Julie Rigby）提供了研究帮助。
Eddy Harris, who I spoke with at the top of our program, writes about his long journey through Africa in his book, Native Stranger .
艾迪·哈里斯（Eddy Harris）是我在节目开头采访的，他在他的书《原住民陌生人》（Native Stranger）中写到了他穿越非洲的漫长旅程。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] To buy a cassette of this program, call us here at WBEZ in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
[鸣谢] 要购买该节目的磁带，请致电我们芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
Or you can listen to most of our programs for free on the internet at our website, www.thislife.org.
或者，您可以在我们的网站 www.thislife.org 上免费收听我们的大部分节目。
Thanks to Elizabeth Meister, who runs the site.
感谢该网站的运营者伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister)。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who greeted me today as he greets me every single day--
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理监督由 Torey Malatia 负责，他今天向我打招呼，就像他每天向我打招呼一样——
Damn.
该死的。
Damn.
该死。
He couldn't stop saying damn.
他忍不住说该死。
He was just like, damn.
他就像，该死的。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life .
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。