127: Pimp Anthropology - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass We like to believe that there are laws among thieves.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯 我们愿意相信小偷之间是有法律的。
We like to believe that there are rules of honor, that when Michael Corleone orders a mob hit, it's because some code has been violated, that if Tony Soprano chokes a guy to death in a parking lot, it is because that guy broke some rule, that he deserved it somehow.
我们愿意相信有荣誉规则，当迈克尔·柯里昂下令打暴徒时，是因为违反了某些规则，如果托尼·索普拉诺在停车场掐死一个人，那是因为那个人违反了一些规则，他活该。
This is one of the most romantic ideas that we have about crime, that there could be a system, that there could be ancient, strict rules, and that there are people out there who actually try to follow those rules, you know?
这是我们对犯罪最浪漫的想法之一，可能有一个系统，可能有古老的、严格的规则，并且有人实际上试图遵守这些规则，你知道吗？
And at one level, of course we want to believe that.
在某种程度上，我们当然愿意相信这一点。
Of course we want to believe that it's all so orderly, rather than the thing that we fear about crime, which is that it's random and can strike us at any time, that it's senseless.
当然，我们愿意相信这一切都是那么有秩序，而不是我们对犯罪所担心的那样，犯罪是随机的，随时可能袭击我们，是毫无意义的。
If there's a system, if there are rules, if it's a business, it doesn't even seem like crime.
如果有一个系统，如果有规则，如果这是一个生意，它甚至看起来都不像犯罪。
Well, it turns out that there's a classic American primer about the laws of pimps and pimping written in 1968, Iceberg Slim's Pimp: The Story of My Life .
事实证明，有一本关于皮条客和拉皮条的法律的经典美国入门读物，写于 1968 年，即 Iceberg Slim 的《皮条客：我一生的故事》。
In it, Iceberg Slim explains the rules of being a successful pimp.
在其中，艾斯伯格·斯利姆解释了成为一名成功的皮条客的规则。
It is such a clearly-defined tradition, the way he tells it, that at one point, he visits an older pimp for advice.
从他讲述的方式来看，这是一种明确定义的传统，以至于有一次，他拜访了一位年长的皮条客寻求建议。
And the guy doesn't just give him the advice.
这家伙不只是给他建议。
He begins by laying out the entire history of pimping in the Americas.
他首先阐述了美洲拉皮条的整个历史。
And then he gives him the pointers on how to pimp by the book.
然后他教他如何通过这本书拉皮条。
"By the book" is always said in this reverential way when you read Iceberg Slim.
当你读《Iceberg Slim》时，“By the book”总是以这种恭敬的方式说。
"By the book" means, when it comes to pimping, knowing that you're using people, outmaneuvering them when they try to play you, and never getting sentimental about it.
“按规矩办事”的意思是，当涉及到拉皮条时，你知道你在利用别人，当他们试图玩弄你时，你要智取他们，并且永远不要为此感伤。
It's business.
这是生意。
Today on our program, a former pimp makes the case that in Oakland, California, in the 1970s, in the last heyday of American pimps in a stronghold of American pimping, the rules of the game that Iceberg Slim describes were not just a reassuring fiction but a way of life for hundreds of people, maybe thousands.
今天在我们的节目中，一位前皮条客讲述了 20 世纪 70 年代，在加利福尼亚州奥克兰，在美国皮条客的最后全盛时期，在美国皮条客的大本营中，艾斯伯格·斯利姆所描述的游戏规则不仅是令人安心的小说，而且是数百人甚至数千人的生活方式。
Well, from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life .
嗯，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥和国际公共广播电台，这是《美国生活》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Most weeks on our program, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
在我们节目的大多数星期里，我们都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today, instead, we are devoting our entire program to just one story of a man who tried to be a pimp, found out he did not have the stomach for the violence, and how that let to his downfall in the pimping world.
相反，今天我们的整个节目只讲述一个故事：一个试图成为皮条客的男人，发现他没有暴力的胃口，以及这如何导致他在皮条客世界中的垮台。
Today's show is the story of him and his friends and his observations about the rules of the game on the street back then.
今天的节目是他和他的朋友们的故事，以及他对当年街头游戏规则的观察。
I have to say, part of what's amazing about him is the detail that he gets to in describing how that world worked.
我不得不说，他令人惊奇的部分原因在于他在描述这个世界如何运作时所描述的细节。
Our program today, Pimp Anthropology.
我们今天的节目是皮条客人类学。
Act One, Rules of the Game.
第一幕，游戏规则。
Act Two, The Price of Ignoring the Rules.
第二幕，无视规则的代价。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
The guy who is the subject of our show today spoke with Tamar Brott, a writer in California who he's known for years.
我们今天节目的主角与塔玛·布罗特（Tamar Brott）进行了交谈，他是加利福尼亚州的一位作家，与他相识多年。
I should say before we begin that if you are listening with small children, there is no sex in today's show.
在我们开始之前我应该说，如果你和小孩子一起听，今天的节目中没有性。
None at all.
一点也没有。
No graphic descriptions, no sex acts are even named, though there is a scene or two where men hit women.
没有生动的描述，甚至没有提及性行为的名称，尽管有一两个场景是男性殴打女性的。
Well, here's Tamar Brott.
好吧，这是塔玛·布罗特。
When Kevin was growing up in Oakland, he and his childhood friends Mark, Keith, and Little Ricky decided they were going to be pimps.
当凯文在奥克兰长大时，他和他儿时的朋友马克、基思和小瑞奇决定他们要成为皮条客。
And that's what they became.
他们就变成了这样。
This was in the '70s, and the city was overrun with pimps.
那是在 70 年代，这座城市充斥着皮条客。
The vice cops say that Oakland had the largest prostitution trade in all of California.
副警察称奥克兰拥有全加州最大的卖淫交易。
The infrastructure was perfect-- plenty of freeway access to cheap motels, and lots of places for the pimps to shop.
基础设施很完善——有很多高速公路可以通往廉价汽车旅馆，还有很多皮条客购物的地方。
They went to Hill's Shoes for their footwear, Olsen's Cadillac for their custom cars, and Wilson's House of Leather for their clothes.
他们去 Hill's Shoes 购买鞋子，去 Olsen's Cadillac 购买定制汽车，去 Wilson's House of Leather 购买衣服。
At the height of his glory, Kevin wore a gold lame suit with beaver fur collar and cuffs.
在他的巅峰时期，凯文穿着一套带有海狸毛领和袖口的金色蹩脚西装。
Mark favored a long, white, leather coat.
马克喜欢一件长款白色皮大衣。
Keith was partial to jewel-encrusted dollar signs.
基思偏爱镶满珠宝的美元符号。
This is their story.
这是他们的故事。
Where I was raised, a lot of kids, we looked at role models.
在我长大的地方，有很多孩子，我们都在寻找榜样。
Just as they do today, look at athletes today.
就像他们今天所做的那样，看看今天的运动员。
Well, back then, one of the first images of success that you would see were Cadillacs.
好吧，当时，您看到的第一批成功形象之一就是凯迪拉克。
That was a sign of success for people in poor and blighted areas, especially in housing projects.
对于贫困地区的人们来说，这是成功的标志，特别是在住房项目方面。
One of my earliest memories was of a guy named Robert Charles.
我最早的记忆之一是一个名叫罗伯特·查尔斯的人。
He was a local guy who had, at the time, what I thought was the greatest car in the world.
他是一个当地人，当时他拥有我认为是世界上最好的汽车。
He had a Cadillac that probably was a '60, '61 Cadillac.
他有一辆凯迪拉克，可能是 60 年、61 年的凯迪拉克。
Brown.
棕色的。
The car was beautiful.
这辆车很漂亮。
And he would ride through the neighborhood.
他会骑车穿过街区。
And I didn't realize at the time that he was a pimp.
当时我并没有意识到他是一个皮条客。
But he'd ride through the neighborhood.
但他会骑车穿过附近地区。
He had the girls.
他有女孩们。
And one of the things he'd always do was he would-- we'd have the ice cream truck that would roll through the neighborhood.
他总是做的一件事就是——我们会有一辆冰淇淋车在附近滚动。
He'd stop and get out, and he'd buy all the kids ice creams.
他会停下来下车，给所有的孩子买冰淇淋。
So obviously, the image for us of Robert Charles was like, wow, this guy's really successful, he's got lots of money, and all of us aspired to be like Robert Charles.
显然，我们对罗伯特·查尔斯的印象是，哇，这家伙真的很成功，他有很多钱，我们所有人都渴望成为像罗伯特·查尔斯那样的人。
Right outside of Berkeley, on the Oakland border, is a hotel.
位于伯克利郊外，奥克兰边境，有一家酒店。
It's called California Hotel.
它的名字叫加州旅馆。
At that time, back in the '60s, it was, I'm guessing, a 600-room hotel, a really big hotel.
当时，在 60 年代，我猜，这是一家拥有 600 间客房的酒店，一家非常大的酒店。
Had a ballroom, a nightclub.
有一个舞厅，一个夜总会。
At that time, Richard Pryor, who was just starting to burst on the national scene, was doing stand-up there.
当时，刚刚在全国舞台上崭露头角的理查德·普赖尔(Richard Pryor)正在那里表演单口喜剧。
It reminds me of what I've read about what Harlem was like.
这让我想起了我读过的有关哈莱姆区的内容。
It was an area where people who were black who were successful would go.
这是一个成功的黑人都会去的地方。
Well, one of the things that happened was that whole California Hotel and the street San Pablo had become a red-light district.
嗯，发生的一件事是整个加州酒店和圣巴勃罗街道变成了红灯区。
I remember the first time I rode down there, going down San Pablo and seeing all the girls-- dressed, standing on the corners, soliciting to the cars as they walked by, the short dresses, the skimpy outfits, everything.
我记得我第一次骑车去那里，沿着圣巴勃罗走，看到所有的女孩都盛装打扮，站在街角，在汽车经过时招揽她们，短裙，暴露的衣服，一切。
And every pimp who was ever a pimp in the whole area drove up and down this street.
整个地区的每一个皮条客都在这条街上来来往往。
They drove up and down this drill.
他们在演习中来来往往。
And at that point, it's really funny, because it's different now.
那时，这真的很有趣，因为现在不同了。
I don't think a pimp would want to be out there now.
我认为皮条客现在不想出现在那里。
They sort of want to stay in the background.
他们有点想留在幕后。
But then, you wore it like a badge of honor.
但后来，你把它当作荣誉徽章一样佩戴。
When we originally began going down there, keep in mind, we were catching the bus there.
请记住，当我们最初开始去那里时，我们是在那里乘公共汽车。
We would just go down there and get the bus.
我们就去那里坐公共汽车。
AC Transit.
交流交通。
We would get down there, we'd get off the bus, and we would just walk around.
我们会到那里，下车，然后四处走走。
We might tease the girls, hey, how you doing honey?
我们可能会取笑女孩们，嘿，亲爱的，你好吗？
What's up?
这是怎么回事？
Where's your man at?
你的男人在哪儿？
He'll be back in 15 minutes.
他15分钟后就会回来。
Just jiving-- shuckin' and jivin', as they call it-- with the girls.
只是和女孩们一起狂欢——正如他们所说的那样——脱衣和狂欢。
You've got to keep in mind, now, we're going down there, but at the same time, we're going back to school the next day.
你必须记住，现在我们要去那里，但与此同时，我们第二天就要回到学校。
One thing about Keith is that Keith, at some point, made a decision that that was more important to him, to be successful at that, than anything else.
关于基思的一件事是，基思在某个时候做出了一个决定，这对他来说比其他任何事情都更重要，要取得成功。
He made the step that none of the others were willing to make, and that was to drop out of school.
他迈出了其他人都不愿意迈出的一步，那就是退学。
His first thing was that, I've got to get me a car.
他的第一件事是，我必须买辆车。
I've got to get me a car.
我得给自己买辆车。
I've got to have flash.
我必须有闪光灯。
I've got to have something to show.
我必须有东西要展示。
I remember Keith, he couldn't afford a Cadillac.
我记得基思，他买不起凯迪拉克。
So what he had was a Ford.
所以他拥有的是一辆福特。
He had, I think, a Ford Falcon.
我想他有一辆福特猎鹰。
It was a convertible, though.
不过，这是一辆敞篷车。
And here's what he did.
这就是他所做的。
He painted it red, bright red.
他把它漆成红色，鲜红色。
And he had the convertible top taken off-- it was a black convertible top-- and he had a white convertible top put on it.
他把敞篷车顶取下来——那是一辆黑色的敞篷车顶——然后他又装上了一个白色的敞篷车顶。
I mean, this was a car that he probably paid $400 for, or something like that.
我的意思是，这辆车他可能花了 400 美元或者类似的钱买的。
But when he finished it, it looked shiny and new.
但当他完成后，它看起来又亮又新。
And boy, I'll tell you, he'd be riding up and down there.
天哪，我告诉你，他会在那里骑车上上下下。
We'd be in the car with him.
我们会和他一起在车里。
We would be riding up and down San Pablo.
我们会在圣巴勃罗上下骑行。
And he'd be in this little, red Ford, which was unheard of.
他会开着这辆红色的小福特车，这是闻所未闻的。
Nobody even went down there in a Ford, but he was bold and brash enough to do that and do it with confidence.
甚至没有人开着福特车去那里，但他足够大胆、傲慢，而且充满信心地这么做了。
It was almost like he was saying, well, look, this is just my little sporty car.
他几乎就像在说，好吧，看，这只是我的小跑车。
I've got a new Rolls Royce at home.
我家里有一辆新劳斯莱斯。
So the next thing that Keith needed to do was-- what every pimp needs-- is he needs a girl.
所以基思需要做的下一件事是——每个皮条客都需要的——是他需要一个女孩。
You've got to have a girl.
你必须有一个女孩。
I mean, you can have the cars, you can have the clothes, but you have to have a girl.
我的意思是，你可以拥有汽车，你可以拥有衣服，但你必须有一个女孩。
Keep in mind, too.
也请记住。
At that point, the area that we were going was so established, you either knocked-- when they say "knocked," pulled some other man's girl-- or you turned a girl out, which would mean that you would introduce her to that whole lifestyle.
那时，我们要去的地方已经确定了，你要么敲门——当他们说“敲门”时，拉另一个男人的女孩——要么你把一个女孩赶出去，这意味着你要向她介绍整个生活方式。
For Keith and us, it was about turning a girl out.
对于基思和我们来说，这是为了赶走一个女孩。
That's how Keith got started.
基思就是这样开始的。
He turned out his girlfriend, who had been his longtime girlfriend anyway.
他发现了他的女朋友，无论如何，她已经是他交往多年的女朋友了。
Here's how it's introduced to her.
下面就给大家介绍一下她的情况。
One day, Keith is at his house, and we're all laughing and joking and having a drink or whatever.
有一天，基思在他家里，我们都笑着开玩笑，喝了一杯酒什么的。
And he goes into the room and he says to her, you know what, Mark's a little drunk.
他走进房间对她说，你知道吗，马克有点醉了。
He wants to go to bed with you.
他想和你一起上床睡觉。
I told him to give me $50 and I'd ask you.
我告诉他给我 50 美元，我会问你。
She's like, no, I don't want to do like this.
她说，不，我不想这样做。
But suddenly, he's talking her into it.
但突然间，他开始说服她这么做。
Well, you know, it's only Mark.
嗯，你知道，这只是马克。
It's not a big deal.
这没什么大不了的。
We could use the $50, you know what I mean?
我们可以使用 50 美元，你明白我的意思吗？
We could go do something, go out to dinner, go buy you a dress, or something like that.
我们可以去做点什么，出去吃饭，给你买件衣服，或者类似的事情。
You take the money.
你拿钱吧。
I don't want it.
我不想要它。
You can go buy yourself something with it.
你可以用它去给自己买点东西。
So suddenly, this girl is now saying, well, OK, it's only Mark.
突然间，这个女孩说，好吧，这只是马克。
I kind of know Mark.
我有点认识马克。
He's not a bad guy.
他不是坏人。
OK, I'll do it.
好的，我会做的。
Well, you see, once you do that, once you sell yourself for money, it becomes very easy to do it again.
嗯，你看，一旦你这样做了，一旦你为了钱出卖了自己，那么再做一次就变得很容易了。
You're there when he pulls this sting on her.
当他对她施刺时你就在场。
Did you feel any sort of pity?
你有没有感到一丝怜悯？
Or what did you feel for her, knowing that a door had been opened for her that she would probably go into?
或者当你知道一扇门已经为她打开并且她可能会进去时，你对她有什么感觉？
I thought it was great.
我觉得这太棒了。
I really thought it was great watching this guy work.
我真的觉得看着这个家伙工作真是太棒了。
I didn't think it was great to the extent that some girl was getting turned out.
我不认为某些女孩被赶出去是件好事。
I thought it was great to the extent that all of a sudden, everything that those images that we had sought, that we had aspired to, all of it was suddenly happening.
我觉得这太棒了，突然之间，我们所寻求的、我们所渴望的那些图像，所有这一切都突然发生了。
And I was actually having the opportunity to be a part of it.
我实际上有机会参与其中。
It's one thing to watch Robert Charles and his girls.
观看罗伯特·查尔斯和他的女儿们是一回事。
But it's another thing to go through the evolutionary process to see a pimp, so to speak, being born as well as a prostitute.
但经历进化过程，看到一个皮条客，或者说，像妓女一样出生，又是另一回事了。
And that was my image at that time.
这就是我当时的形象。
I was excited.
我很兴奋。
It was like, wow, this man is actually getting ready to do what we've only talked about.
就好像，哇，这个人实际上正准备做我们刚刚谈到的事情。
He's actually getting ready to really do it.
他实际上已经准备好真正去做这件事了。
And not only that, he's got a girl who made the first step.
不仅如此，他还有一个迈出了第一步的女孩。
So it was exciting.
所以这很令人兴奋。
We were all excited.
我们都很兴奋。
And after the fact-- and this is what really, I think, and truly makes for a great pimp-- the way that Keith made her feel afterwards.
事后——我想，这才是一个伟大的皮条客真正的特质——基思事后给她的感觉。
I remember very clearly that when we heard Mark and her come out of the room, we were kind of giggling, right?
我记得很清楚，当我们听到马克和她走出房间时，我们都咯咯地笑了，对吧？
And I remember Keith getting very serious.
我记得基思变得非常严肃。
He was very serious.
他很严肃。
He was like, man, cut that [BLEEP].
他就像，伙计，剪掉那个[BLEEP]。
He didn't want her in any way to feel like she had been used.
他不想让她有任何被利用的感觉。
He gave her the money.
他把钱给了她。
He talked with her.
他和她说话。
He hugged her.
他拥抱了她。
He kissed her.
他吻了她。
He actually showed her a lot of love at that particular point.
事实上，在那个特定时刻，他向她表达了很多爱。
And I think that's one of the most significant things when you're turning a girl out.
我认为当你要赶走一个女孩时，这是最重要的事情之一。
And she became quite a prostitute, as a matter of fact.
事实上，她成了一名妓女。
I asked Kevin how Mark knew how to turn out his own girlfriend like that.
我问凯文，马克怎么知道如何把自己的女朋友变成这样。
Kevin just said that's how it had always been done.
凯文只是说这就是一直以来的做法。
That's how Iceberg Slim did it, and god knows how many pimps before him.
Iceberg Slim 就是这么做的，天知道在他之前有多少皮条客。
The world of pimping is filled with many of these particular customs and bylaws.
皮条客的世界充满了许多这样的特殊习俗和章程。
There was a gentleman-like agreement, so to speak, that there was rules of the game.
可以说，这是一种绅士般的协议，即有游戏规则。
And this is the thing that's changed nowadays.
这就是现在发生的变化。
Back then, there was a purity of it.
那时，有一种纯粹的感觉。
It's almost like a love, like basketball, a love for the game itself.
这几乎就像一种热爱，就像篮球一样，是对比赛本身的热爱。
And as a result of these people having a love for a game, there was also rules.
由于这些人热爱游戏，所以也有规则。
And there was street rules.
还有街道规则。
And those rules was adhered like laws.
这些规则像法律一样得到遵守。
Because there was a game and because there was rules and laws, there was things that needed to be done.
因为有游戏，有规则和法律，所以有一些事情需要做。
And if a girl didn't understand the rules and laws, then she could be in violation, or what they call "out of pocket" or "bitch being out of pocket."
如果一个女孩不了解规则和法律，那么她可能会违法，或者他们所说的“自掏腰包”或“自掏腰包的婊子”。
Some of the rules are obvious.
有些规则是显而易见的。
Every prostitute's supposed to have a pimp.
每个妓女都应该有一个皮条客。
Every pimp's supposed to give that prostitute a nightly quota to earn and not let her come in until she earns it.
每个皮条客都应该给那个妓女一个晚上的收入配额，并且在她赚到之前不让她进来。
And it's all for him, 100%.
而且这一切都是为了他，100%。
A pimp is not like an agent who takes a cut.
皮条客不像收取佣金的经纪人。
What he does do is pay all her expenses-- her food, rent, medical bills, outfits, everything.
他所做的就是支付她所有的费用——食物、房租、医疗费、服装等等。
And he protects her territory.
他保护她的领地。
A girl didn't want to go down, say, for example, and start working somebody else's corner.
例如，一个女孩不想下去，开始在别人的角落工作。
When you start to do that, you start to be in violation of the game.
当你开始这样做时，你就开始违反游戏规则了。
And when you were in violation of the game-- it's really funny-- the whole small community would come down on you.
当你违反游戏规则时——这真的很有趣——整个小社区都会责怪你。
So the other girls would turn against you as quick as the pimps would.
所以其他女孩会像皮条客一样迅速反对你。
And then some of the rules are arcane, even chivalrous, like how a woman gets to choose any pimp she wants.
还有一些规则是神秘的，甚至是侠义的，比如女人如何选择她想要的皮条客。
It's called choosing or re-choosing.
这就是所谓的选择或重新选择。
If the woman finds a better pimp than the one she has, she presents him with a wad of cash she's managed to withhold from the first pimp, sort of like a dowry.
如果女人找到了比她更好的皮条客，她就会向他赠送一叠她从第一个皮条客那里扣下来的现金，有点像嫁妆。
Then the new pimp goes to the old pimp and says, sorry, she's with me now.
然后新皮条客去找老皮条客说，对不起，她现在和我在一起了。
And the old pimp is just supposed to let her go.
老皮条客应该让她走。
That's the rule.
这就是规则。
What you want to do is you want to keep your manhood and your dignity intact.
你想做的就是保持你的男子气概和尊严完好无损。
And that's basically what would happen, is a guy who was in the game would be man enough to say, look man, your woman chose me.
这基本上就是会发生的事情，一个参与游戏的人会足够男人地说，看，男人，你的女人选择了我。
And here's what's happening.
这就是正在发生的事情。
I want to pick up her clothes.
我想把她的衣服捡起来。
And it's really funny.
这真的很有趣。
I never really understood that part of it, but that seems to be part of the ritual, picking up of clothes as if those clothes really mattered.
我从来没有真正理解其中的一部分，但这似乎是仪式的一部分，拿起衣服，好像这些衣服真的很重要。
I think more than picking up the clothes, that was sort of this hidden way for men to say, look, we have to finalize this business that we have and move on from there.
我认为，不仅仅是拿起衣服，这对男人来说是一种隐藏的方式，他们可以说，看，我们必须完成我们现有的业务，然后继续前进。
But no pimp wants it to come to that.
但没有一个皮条客希望事情发展到这个地步。
And if he suspects that one of his prostitutes is even thinking about leaving, there's a time-honored way to deal with that too.
如果他怀疑他的一名妓女甚至考虑离开，也有一种历史悠久的方法来处理这个问题。
If you ever felt your girl might be getting ready to leave you, or that you're losing, or you're getting down, or one girl's left and you've got two left or you've got one left, well, you want to get on the road.
如果你曾经感觉你的女孩可能正准备离开你，或者你正在失败，或者你正在情绪低落，或者一个女孩离开了，而你还剩下两个，或者你还剩下一个，那么，你想上路。
What you do is pack them all in the car and say, look, we're going to travel for a while.
你要做的就是把它们全部装进车里，然后说，看，我们要去旅行一段时间。
And you get out of town, because it's very hard for them to leave you while you're out of town.
然后你就出城了，因为当你出城时，他们很难离开你。
You drive across state.
你开车穿越州。
I mean, I had a guy driving as far as Georgia and turn around and come back, just to stop a girl from leaving him.
我的意思是，我有一个人开车到乔治亚州很远，然后掉头回来，只是为了阻止一个女孩离开他。
It gives them an opportunity to reaffirm their commitment to each other, so to speak.
可以这么说，这让他们有机会重申对彼此的承诺。
You see?
你看？
They glue them back together.
他们将它们重新粘在一起。
So Mark was the second of Kevin's pals to turn out his girlfriend.
所以马克是凯文的朋友中第二个娶了他女朋友的人。
And after that, he became a real player.
从那以后，他成为了一名真正的球员。
He got chosen by this six-foot-tall cash cow named Sunny and hit the big time.
他被这头六英尺高的摇钱树桑尼选中，一炮而红。
Sunny was a very well-known prostitute in Oakland.
桑尼是奥克兰一位非常有名的妓女。
And she was white, which was really unusual.
而且她是白人，这确实很不寻常。
She just liked him.
她只是喜欢他而已。
And this girl made tons of money.
这个女孩赚了很多钱。
Sunny's the kind of girl where you don't need five girls.
Sunny是那种不需要五个女孩的女孩。
If you've got one Sunny, you don't need five girls.
如果你有一个桑妮，你就不需要五个女孩。
And he got Sunny.
他得到了桑尼。
And boy, that's like putting your name on the map.
孩子，这就像把你的名字放在地图上一样。
So Mark was the next one to go on to have some degree of success.
因此，马克是下一个取得一定程度成功的人。
And then Ricky-- we called him Little Ricky-- Little Rick went on to have some success.
然后瑞奇——我们叫他小瑞奇——小瑞克继续取得了一些成功。
He had two, three girls.
他有两三个女儿。
So Ricky, I remember-- I'm going to skip ahead a little bit now.
所以，瑞奇，我记得——我现在要跳过一点。
But I remember he had finally got a couple girls, and he was making a little bit of money.
但我记得他终于有了几个女孩，并且赚了一点钱。
And I remember one of the first things he did, he wanted to buy a Bentley.
我记得他做的第一件事就是想买一辆宾利。
So he bought a Bentley.
于是他买了一辆宾利。
And Bentley-- those huge ones then.
还有宾利——那些巨大的汽车。
You know, the big-- sort of like they had in Burke's Law .
你知道，大的——有点像伯克定律。
Remember that show, Burke's Law with-- I forget.
还记得那个节目，伯克定律——我忘了。
But that was the image.
但这就是图像。
Anyway, I remember Ricky coming-- Ricky's probably like five foot one or five foot two.
不管怎样，我记得瑞奇来过——瑞奇可能身高五英尺一英寸或五英尺二英寸。
But I remember him coming down the street.
但我记得他从街上走过来。
He had just got this Bentley, and you could barely see his head over the steering wheel.
他刚刚得到这辆宾利，从方向盘上你几乎看不到他的头。
It was the funniest thing I had ever seen in my life.
这是我一生中见过的最有趣的事情。
But he drives up, and he gets out.
但他开车上来，然后下了车。
The door is bigger than him.
门比他还大。
He gets out the door, he slams the door, and he says, man, how do you like my Bentley Rolls Royce?
他走出门，关上门，然后说，伙计，你喜欢我的宾利劳斯莱斯吗？
I just got it.
我刚拿到。
Anyway, we talked.
不管怎样，我们聊过。
But he's-- it's hard for me to describe him-- not flamboyant as Keith but very smooth, more family oriented, believe it or not.
但他——我很难描述他——不像基思那样浮夸，而是非常圆滑，更注重家庭，不管你信不信。
He was always interested in how long they were going to stay.
他总是对他们要待多久感兴趣。
He used to always say, hos come leaving.
他过去常说，谁来就走。
Bitches come leaving.
母狗们离开了。
How long are you going to stay?
你要呆多久？
That was the thing.
就是这样。
And his whole thing was creating a family atmosphere.
他所做的一切就是营造一种家庭氛围。
So he always, actually, wanted to impregnate his girls so that they would have his child so that they would stay to create that family atmosphere.
所以，事实上，他总是想让他的女儿们怀孕，这样她们就能生下他的孩子，这样她们就可以留下来创造那种家庭氛围。
And he impregnated several of his girls, and they had kids.
他让他的几个女儿怀孕了，她们生了孩子。
And he's young at this point.
而且此时他还年轻。
He was relatively young.
他相对年轻。
So after not too long a time, Kevin's three friends are living large.
不久之后，凯文的三个朋友过上了富裕的生活。
They've got the clothes, the cars, the stables.
他们有衣服、汽车、马厩。
Meanwhile, Kevin still hasn't been able to turn out his childhood sweetheart.
与此同时，凯文仍然没能找到他的青梅竹马。
He's managing to keep up appearances by becoming a drug dealer, supplying his buddies with the vast amounts of cocaine they've begun using.
他通过成为一名毒贩，向他的伙伴们提供他们已经开始吸食的大量可卡因来维持形象。
But pimps looked down on drug dealers for being low rent.
但皮条客因租金低廉而瞧不起毒贩。
And privately, Kevin begins having doubts about whether or not he has what it takes to be a pimp.
私下里，凯文开始怀疑自己是否具备成为皮条客的资格。
Part of his problem is that he doesn't know if he can hit a woman, which is a chief requirement for being in the game.
他的部分问题是他不知道自己是否可以打女人，而这是参加比赛的主要要求。
At a certain point, his friend Dwayne actually show him how it's done.
在某个时刻，他的朋友德韦恩实际上向他展示了这是如何完成的。
A little warning-- this is probably the most disturbing story Kevin will tell this hour.
一点警告——这可能是凯文这一小时要讲的最令人不安的故事。
Dwayne, at that time, who was another friend, his whole philosophy was that, look, if a girl wasn't acting right, you beat the hell out of her.
德维恩，当时是另一个朋友，他的整个哲学是，看，如果一个女孩表现得不好，你就把她打得落花流水。
Beat the bitch's ass, and she'd straighten up.
狠狠打那贱人的屁股，她就会直起身来。
And so he told me, he said, look, I'm going to show you how to handle this.
所以他告诉我，他说，看，我将向你展示如何处理这个问题。
So he goes and he grabs a coat hanger, much as I have now.
于是他走过去，抓起一个衣架，就像我现在拥有的一样。
And I can only sort of describe to you what you do.
我只能向你描述一下你所做的事情。
You grab the hook, the hanger part, and you grab the middle of the lower wire and just pull it straight out.
你抓住钩子、衣架部分，然后抓住下面的金属丝的中间，然后把它直接拉出来。
And it will form sort of a straight sort of a--
它将形成一种直线型的——
This silhouette is like a baseball bat outline.
这个轮廓就像棒球棒的轮廓。
Yeah, pretty much.
是的，差不多。
Well, at that point, Dwayne, he had two options, depending on how angry he was.
好吧，在那个时候，德维恩，他有两个选择，这取决于他有多生气。
He would beat his girls with this hanger just like this.
他就这样用这个衣架打他的女儿们。
Or if they had to go to work, what he would do is take a light towel and wrap it around the towel.
或者如果他们必须去上班，他会做的就是拿一条薄毛巾，把它包在毛巾上。
That way, he could beat her, and it wouldn't necessarily leave marks.
这样，他就能打她，而且不一定会留下痕迹。
That way, she could go to work, and she didn't look all beat up.
这样，她就可以去上班了，而且看起来也不至于疲惫不堪。
She could wear the skimpy clothes and still look pretty good if he managed to hit her on the lower thigh or something.
如果他能打到她的大腿下部什么的，她穿那么暴露的衣服也还是好看的。
But he'd try to hit her right on the buttocks with this thing.
但他会试图用这个东西击中她的臀部。
So one of my earliest visions was I remember Annie being in the back and me coming into Dwayne's house.
所以我最早的幻象之一就是我记得安妮在后面，而我走进了德韦恩的房子。
And there was some commotion, and we set to talking.
发生了一些骚动，我们开始交谈。
He told her just get out of here.
他告诉她离开这里。
And we sat down and we started talking.
我们坐下来开始交谈。
I think we were watching a game or something like that.
我想我们正在看一场比赛或类似的东西。
And you can hear stuff being thrown and tossed in the back room.
你可以听到后面房间里扔东西的声音。
Obviously, Annie was upset about something.
显然，安妮因为某些事情而感到不安。
Anyway, at that point, Dwayne called her out of the room after going over and getting a coat hanger and straightening it out.
不管怎样，就在那时，德维恩走过去拿了一个衣架并整理好后，把她叫出了房间。
And he says, "Annie, come here." And Annie's acting like she didn't [UNINTELLIGIBLE].
他说：“安妮，过来。”而安妮表现得好像她没有[无法理解]。
And he says, "Bitch, get your ass in here right [BLEEP] now." And he's yelling at the top of his voice.
他说：“婊子，现在就滚到这里来[哔]。”他大声喊叫。
"Get your [BLEEP] ass in here.
“把你的[BLEEP]屁股放在这里。
At this point, he tells this bitch, "Bend over right here.
这时，他对这个贱人说：“就在这里弯下身子。
Drop your [BLEEP] pants."
脱掉你的[BLEEP]裤子。”
I'm sitting there.
我坐在那里。
I'm a bit stunned.
我有点愕然。
I'm like, OK, we're going to roll with this.
我想，好吧，我们就这样吧。
Annie comes over.
安妮过来了。
At this point, when he flies into the tirade and he's yelling, "Bitch, get your ass over here," she's at attention.
这时，当他开始长篇大论并大喊“贱人，把你的屁股过来”时，她就立正了。
She comes right over, and he said, "Bitch, drop your mother [BLEEP] pants and bend over and grab your knees.
她径直走过来，他说：“贱人，脱掉你妈妈的裤子，弯下腰，抓住你的膝盖。
And I'll never forget the look on her face.
我永远不会忘记她脸上的表情。
It was almost very robotic.
它几乎是非常机器人化的。
But she walked right over at a point where she was acting wild and out of control.
但她走过去的时候却表现得狂野失控。
But there was a point that he reached when he started to talk to her that she snapped, and she just got very robotic, and he had total control over her.
但当他开始和她说话时，她突然爆发了，她变得非常机械化，他完全控制了她。
She walked over.
她走了过去。
And I swear, her ass couldn't have been three feet from my face.
我发誓，她的屁股距离我的脸不可能有三英尺。
And she pulled her pants down, bent over, and grabbed her knees.
她脱下裤子，弯下腰，抓住膝盖。
And he whacked her with this clothes hanger right on her ass.
他用衣架狠狠地打在她的屁股上。
And I mean, she was butt naked.
我的意思是，她的屁股赤裸。
No panties, no pants, no dress, no nothing.
没有内裤，没有裤子，没有裙子，什么都没有。
Butt naked.
屁股赤裸。
And he hit her with such force that the outline of that coat hanger was on her ass.
他打她的力度如此之大，以至于衣架的轮廓都在她的屁股上。
And it cut her skin, and she bled.
它割伤了她的皮肤，她流血了。
And as I was looking at her, when she pulled her pants down, it was clear that she had been beat like this before, because there were several black marks where they had healed from this coat hanger from previous beatings.
而且当我看着她，当她把裤子拉下来的时候，很明显她以前也被这样打过，因为这个衣架上有几处黑色的痕迹，是之前被打的时候愈合的。
At that point, he hit her again.
就在这时，他又打了她。
And on the third time he went to hit her, I grabbed his hand.
当他第三次去打她时，我抓住了他的手。
And I told him, I said, "Dwayne, that's enough.
我告诉他，我说，“德韦恩，够了。
He said, "Man, this ho, she knows she out of line.
他说：“伙计，这个女人，她知道自己不合规矩。
Man, I'll beat this bitch's ass some more."
伙计，我要再打这个贱人的屁股。”
And at that point, I was saying, "Man, let's take care of some business." He said, "OK." He said, "Annie, pull your pants up." Even after I stopped him and we were talking, she was still standing there, bent over with her hands on her knees.
那时，我说：“伙计，让我们处理一些事情吧。”他说：“好吧。”他说：“安妮，把你的裤子拉起来。”即使我阻止了他，我们正在交谈，她仍然站在那里，弯着腰，双手放在膝盖上。
He finally told her, "Annie, pull your pants and get your [BLEEP] ass out of here."
他最后告诉她，“安妮，拉上你的裤子，让你的[哔]屁股离开这里。”
She pulled her panties up.
她把内裤拉了起来。
White.
白色。
It was just a really interesting image because when she pulled her panties up first, you could see the blood go right through her panties.
这是一个非常有趣的图像，因为当她先拉起内裤时，你可以看到血直接穿过她的内裤。
So you could see the red soaking through her panties.
所以你可以看到红色浸透了她的内裤。
She pulled her pants up, she walked in the back room, she was quiet like nothing happened.
她拉起裤子，走进里屋，安静得就像什么都没发生过一样。
It was just incredible.
这真是令人难以置信。
And I thought to myself, the cruelty, I mean, to not have compassion for another person.
我心想，残酷，我的意思是，对另一个人没有同情心。
You know what's really funny?
你知道什么是真正有趣的吗？
I didn't openly show any remorse about these girls.
我没有公开对这些女孩表现出任何悔意。
I didn't openly feel sorry for them.
我没有公开地为他们感到难过。
When Annie was getting a beating, and when I grabbed Dwayne's hand, my thing was, man, let's take care of our business.
当安妮挨打时，当我抓住德韦恩的手时，我的想法是，伙计，让我们处理好我们的事情吧。
I didn't say it in a way that was like, man, give her a break.
我并没有以类似“伙计，让她休息一下”的方式这么说。
I said it in a very nonchalant way like, man, this bitch, I have no time for this [BLEEP].
我用一种非常漫不经心的方式说，伙计，这个婊子，我没有时间听这个[BLEEP]。
Get this bitch out of here, and let's do what we going to do.
把这个混蛋带出去，让我们做我们要做的事。
I didn't show concern for Annie, you see?
我没有表现出对安妮的关心，你明白吗？
Because these are internal conflicts that I'm having.
因为这些是我面临的内部冲突。
Like all men, you don't ever want to appear less than.
和所有男人一样，你永远不想让自己显得低于别人。
So though these issues are twirling around in my mind and they're starting to bother me, I'm not letting them be known.
因此，尽管这些问题在我的脑海中盘旋并且开始困扰我，但我不会让他们知道。
I'm happy for them still.
我仍然为他们感到高兴。
These are just my own conflicts that I'm starting to have.
这些只是我自己开始遇到的冲突。
So I'm still excited about the pimping.
所以我仍然对拉皮条感到兴奋。
I'm still excited about the possibility that maybe, just maybe this stuff will pass for me.
我仍然对这种可能性感到兴奋，也许，只是也许这些东西会被我忽略。
But deep down inside-- I think I even knew then-- deep down inside, it wouldn't, because I was a compassionate person.
但在内心深处——我想我当时就知道——在内心深处，事实并非如此，因为我是一个富有同情心的人。
But I was hoping that it would.
但我希望它会。
I think part of it was psychologically to demonstrate his control over her.
我认为部分原因是在心理上展示他对她的控制。
There was that aspect of it.
有这个方面。
That was for me.
那是给我的。
That was from him to me.
那是他给我的。
But I think also, on the other hand, there was the breaking down of a person's constitution.
但我认为，另一方面，也存在着一个人的体质的崩溃。
When he's able to do that to her, eventually, at some point, she stops believing in herself, and she only believes in him.
当他能够对她这样做时，最终，在某个时刻，她不再相信自己，而她只相信他。
And so once you can get that transference, get a person so they have no self esteem left, no sense of self-worth left, then the only thing that they can do is believe in you.
因此，一旦你能够获得这种移情，让一个人不再有自尊，不再有自我价值感，那么他们唯一能做的就是相信你。
They start to associate their own sense of self-worth and self-esteem to the very person who took their own.
他们开始将自己的自我价值感和自尊感与夺走自己的人联系起来。
And this goes directly to the attitude of why at some point, hos want to make their pimps the best pimp.
这直接关系到为什么在某些时候，主人想让他们的皮条客成为最好的皮条客。
They want them to have the biggest hat, the biggest Cadillac, the longest shoes, the longest coat.
他们希望他们拥有最大的帽子、最大的凯迪拉克、最长的鞋子、最长的外套。
They want them to have this.
他们希望他们拥有这个。
Because in a sense, they live vicariously through that person.
因为从某种意义上说，他们是通过那个人来替代生活的。
Their sense of self-esteem, their sense of self-worth is all incumbent upon how their man feels.
她们的自尊感、自我价值感都取决于她们的男人的感受。
When you have a relatively small community-- and when I say a small community, I'm talking about pimps now-- a small community of men who are vying for attention of women, then it's all going to depend a lot on how much attention a guy can bring to himself.
当你有一个相对较小的社区时——当我说一个小社区时，我现在谈论的是皮条客——一个由争夺女性注意力的男性组成的小社区，那么这在很大程度上取决于一个男人能给自己带来多少关注。
In a way, it's almost like what you could call a peacock syndrome.
在某种程度上，这几乎就像你所说的孔雀综合症。
You know how peacocks, they have the plumage?
你知道孔雀有怎样的羽毛吗？
The males have the plumage?
雄性有羽毛吗？
And they can be kind of skirting around, and they're spreading their wings, and they're trying to get the attention of the female.
它们可能会四处走动，张开翅膀，试图引起雌性的注意。
And in a lot of ways, pimps have that same kind of mentality.
在很多方面，皮条客也有同样的心态。
It's like, who has the brightest colors, the biggest hats, the most fur, the longest leather?
就像，谁拥有最鲜艳的颜色、最大的帽子、最多的毛皮、最长的皮革？
I don't think they think in terms of whether this is, like how I will appear to the community as a whole.
我认为他们不会考虑这是否是我在整个社区中的形象。
But rather they're making a statement to a very specific group of people-- i.e. being the pimps and all the hos.
相反，他们是在向一个非常特定的人群发表声明——即皮条客和所有的妓女。
I asked Kevin why the girls didn't just leave and strike out on their own.
我问凯文，为什么女孩们不直接离开并自己创业。
Why bother to have a pimp at all?
为什么要费心去拉皮条呢？
He said prostitution's too territorial, and given the potential dangers of selling your body, it's good to have somebody on your side, even if it is a pimp.
他说卖淫的地域性太强，考虑到出卖身体的潜在危险，有人站在你一边是件好事，即使是皮条客。
And in their own twisted way, they did provide some sense of family.
他们确实以自己扭曲的方式提供了一些家庭感。
The thing about it is, is that these were relationships.
问题是，这些都是关系。
And I think that's what people forget or miss.
我认为这就是人们忘记或怀念的。
It wasn't a business arrangement in the sense that I say to you, come work for me, and as a result, I'll give you 10%.
这不是我对你说，来为我工作，然后我会给你 10% 意义上的商业安排。
These were relationships, much like families.
这些都是关系，很像家庭。
People would say, come be a part of my family.
人们会说，来成为我家庭的一员吧。
You can be a part of my family.
你可以成为我家庭的一员。
Now families, i.e., may mean stable.
现在家庭，即可能意味着稳定。
You can be a part of my stable of hos.
你可以成为我稳定的主人的一部分。
But the fact of the matter is that that stable may be described as families.
但事实是，那个马厩可以被描述为家庭。
This is how we live.
这就是我们的生活方式。
We have a house.
我们有房子。
We have a nice penthouse.
我们有一个漂亮的顶层公寓。
We've got cars.
我们有车。
I've got my cars, but oftentimes, the girls had cars too, to get back and forth to work.
我有自己的车，但通常情况下，女孩们也有车，方便往返工作。
We've got all of this stuff.
我们已经拥有了所有这些东西。
You don't have to worry about anything except for just working and being a part of the family.
除了工作和成为家庭的一部分之外，您无需担心任何事情。
I think what confuses people is that people try and figure out how the girls have a single purpose of their own, in terms of acquiring money.
我认为让人们感到困惑的是，人们试图弄清楚女孩们如何有自己的单一目的，即获取金钱。
But it was never like that.
但事情从来不是这样的。
You moved in, you became a part of that whole exciting lifestyle that he would live in.
你搬进来了，你成为了他将要生活的整个令人兴奋的生活方式的一部分。
And as a result, the money was really incidental to the lifestyle as a whole.
结果，金钱对于整个生活方式来说确实是附带的。
Do you think women who go into prostitution, there's something that happens at like, what, age of 10?
你认为从事卖淫的女性在 10 岁时会发生什么事情吗？
When does it set in that this self-esteem issue--
什么时候开始出现这种自尊问题——
What I would say was that a person who has issues of self-worth and low self-esteem would probably be a better candidate to become a ho, or a prostitute, than someone who didn't.
我想说的是，一个有自我价值和低自尊问题的人可能比没有自我价值和自卑的人更适合成为妓女或妓女。
Now, that sounds fairly obvious to anybody who would hear that.
现在，这对于任何听到这句话的人来说都是显而易见的。
They'd say, well, that's pretty obvious.
他们会说，嗯，这很明显。
But the thing about it is, is that it's not something that people necessarily wear that's so obvious to see in a person.
但问题是，人们不一定穿的东西在一个人身上就能如此明显地看到。
And so I think that's what makes some good pimps is the little probing of a person to find out where they're at.
所以我认为，一些优秀的皮条客之所以成为优秀的皮条客，就是因为他们会稍微试探一下，找出自己的处境。
I'll give you an example of a very simple probe a friend of mine used to do.
我将给您举一个我的朋友曾经做过的非常简单的探测示例。
He'd be in a club, and he'd meet a girl.
他会在一个俱乐部里，他会遇到一个女孩。
And he would go up, and let's say he's having a cocktail.
他会走上前去，假设他正在喝鸡尾酒。
She's sitting at the counter next to him.
她坐在他旁边的柜台旁。
And he would, after a bit of banter and small talk and conversation, he'd say, buy me a drink.
在一些玩笑、闲聊和谈话之后，他会说，请我喝一杯。
Now obviously, some girls would automatically say, buy your own drink.
现在显然，有些女孩会自动说，你自己买饮料吧。
Or you buy me a drink.
或者你请我喝一杯。
But some women would buy him a drink.
但有些女人会请他喝一杯。
That's the little kind of probing stuff that people do.
这就是人们所做的一些小小的探索。
You see, because just through five minutes of little conversation, now all of a sudden, he's seeing that he can exert his will over this woman, that she, not even in a conscious way, is basically giving in to his will.
你看，因为仅仅通过五分钟的简短谈话，现在突然间，他看到他可以对这个女人施加他的意志，而她，甚至没有意识地，基本上屈服于他的意志。
And sometimes it's that simple, something as small as that.
有时事情就是这么简单，就是这么小。
Coming up, a prostitute who likes to talk a lot, Kevin's own rise and fall as a pimp, and whatever happened to all of the '70s pimps.
接下来，一个爱说话的妓女，凯文自己作为皮条客的兴衰，以及所有 70 年代皮条客的遭遇。
That's in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Most weeks on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of stories on that theme.
当然，我们节目的大多数星期，我们都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种故事。
Today, we're devoting our entire show to one story about pimps in the 1970s.
今天，我们整个节目都在讲述一个关于 20 世纪 70 年代皮条客的故事。
After that era, this particular culture of pimping died off.
那个时代之后，这种特殊的拉皮条文化就消失了。
But the pimps of that era-- with the flashy clothes, the big hats, the pretty shoes-- they had become American icons, like cowboys or astronauts.
但那个时代的皮条客——穿着华丽的衣服，戴着大帽子，漂亮的鞋子——他们已经成为美国的偶像，就像牛仔或宇航员一样。
Kevin's story continues.
凯文的故事还在继续。
My experience was that I met a girl.
我的经历是我认识了一个女孩。
Her name was Lois.
她的名字叫露易丝。
I remember Lois.
我记得路易斯。
She was tall, beautiful, brunette, about six feet tall.
她身材高大，美丽，黑发，大约六英尺高。
Just gorgeous.
太漂亮了。
Just a gorgeous girl.
只是一个美丽的女孩。
And I remember that I was familiar with the game.
我记得我对这个游戏很熟悉。
I didn't want to lead on to her that I was, but nor did she want to lead on to me that she was.
我不想把我变成这样的人，但她也不想把我变成这样的人。
I had always aspired to be a pimp and was familiar with the game and knew how it went.
我一直渴望成为一名皮条客，并且熟悉这个游戏并知道它是如何进行的。
I knew she was a ho, but I was going to never approach her like that.
我知道她是个豪女，但我永远不会那样接近她。
And I knew she was struggling to tell me, because she was trying to feel me out.
我知道她很难告诉我，因为她想试探我的感受。
So she finally got around, she says, "Well, why don't you come by my job, come down to my house?" She was staying over in Belmont at the time.
所以她终于摆脱了困境，她说：“好吧，你为什么不通过我的工作来我家呢？”当时她住在贝尔蒙特。
"Come down for the weekend.
“周末就下来吧。
Spend the weekend at my place." She had been to my place several times.
来我家过周末吧。”她来过我家好几次了。
We had dinner in the city and stuff.
我们在城里吃了晚饭等等。
And so I said, "OK, I'll do that."
所以我说：“好吧，我会这么做的。”
So it was very clever how she did this.
所以她这样做是非常聪明的。
It was really funny.
真的很有趣。
But she wanted to see how I played this out.
但她想看看我如何解决这个问题。
So she told me to come and get her.
所以她叫我来接她。
"Come by my job and get my key, and then you can just go to the house.
“到我工作的地方去拿钥匙，然后你就可以回家了。
I've got food and everything there.
我那里有食物和一切。
You can get yourself something to eat and just wait.
你可以给自己找点吃的，然后等待。
And I'll be there in a few hours.
几个小时后我就会到达那里。
So I said, OK, it's on, so to speak.
所以我说，好吧，可以这么说。
So I'm thinking to myself, OK, it's on.
所以我心里想，好吧，开始吧。
So I pull in the back of this place.
所以我把车停在这个地方的后面。
And as it turns out, it's a massage parlor.
事实证明，这是一家按摩院。
So I pull up in back, and I go and I parked, and I called her.
于是我把车停在后面，然后走过去停好车，然后给她打电话。
I said, "Lois, I'm here in back." So she comes out, and she's dressed normally.
我说：“路易斯，我在后面。”于是她就出来了，穿着很正常。
She's got on a nice silk dress and everything.
她穿着一件漂亮的丝绸连衣裙什么的。
She jumps in the car.
她跳进车里。
She gives me a big kiss.
她给了我一个大大的吻。
"Oh, I'm so glad.
“哦，我很高兴。
This is going to be so exciting.
这将会非常令人兴奋。
I can't wait to get home.
我等不及要回家了。
And here's the keys."
这是钥匙。”
And I say OK, give her a peck on the cheek, and I'm about to pull out.
我说好吧，在她脸颊上轻吻一下，然后我就准备退出。
And she says, "Oh, by the way, take this home for me." And she hands me an envelope full of cash.
她说：“哦，顺便说一下，把这个带回家给我吧。”她递给我一个装满现金的信封。
Obviously, I don't think this was a day's wages.
显然，我不认为这是一天的工资。
I think she had probably not been with somebody for a while, and she had been saving her money up.
我想她可能有一段时间没有和别人在一起了，她一直在存钱。
Had about $2,500 in cash in it.
里面有大约2500美元的现金。
And to me, I mean this looked like $100,000 to me.
对我来说，我的意思是这对我来说看起来像是 10 万美元。
I was like, whoa, OK.
我当时想，哇，好吧。
But she didn't give it to me, though.
但她没有给我。
She says, "By the way, can you take this to my house for me?" So she hands me this money.
她说：“顺便问一下，你能帮我把这个带到我家吗？”所以她把这笔钱交给了我。
I'm looking at this money, and I said, "Sure." So I close the envelope, and I go to her house.
我看着这笔钱，我说：“当然可以。”于是我合上信封，然后去了她家。
Later, she finally makes it home.
后来，她终于回到家了。
She calls me.
她打电话给我。
She says, "there's wine there.
她说：“那里有酒。
Have some wine." Blah, blah, blah.
喝点酒吧。”巴拉，巴拉，巴拉。
She's got champagne.
她有香槟。
She's got the whole-- I mean, it's obviously a setup.
她掌握了一切——我的意思是，这显然是一个圈套。
The flowers-- there was a place called Ah Sam's.
花——有一个地方叫阿三家。
They imported flowers from Hawaii, the most exotic flowers.
他们从夏威夷进口鲜花，最奇特的鲜花。
And she had these exotic flowers from Ah Sam's all over the house, easily $500 worth of flowers.
她的房子里到处都是来自 Ah Sam's 的异国情调的鲜花，这些花很容易就价值 500 美元。
So what ended up happening was she ended up getting here about 6:30, 7:00.
所以最终发生的事情是她最终在 6:30、7:00 左右到达这里。
She comes in.
她进来了。
And we sit down, and we're having wine, and we're talking and just sort of chatting.
我们坐下来，一边喝酒，一边聊天。
And she looks at me and she smiles, and I said to her, I said, "Oh, by the way.
她看着我，微笑着，我对她说，“哦，顺便说一句。
I put your money over on your nightstand by your bed." And she said to me, "Oh, no. You can keep it.
我把你的钱放在你床边的床头柜上。”她对我说：“哦，不。你可以保留它。
It's for you."
这是给你的。”
And I looked at her, and I kind of smiled, and I said, "What exactly is it that you do?" And she just looked at me and smiled, and she said, "You know damn well what I do." And we just started laughing at each other.
我看着她，微笑着说：“你到底是做什么的？”她只是看着我微笑着说：“你非常清楚我在做什么。”我们就开始互相嘲笑。
And from that point on, we stayed together for, I guess, about seven years.
从那时起，我们在一起呆了大约七年。
Seven years.
七年了。
I remember being in the Black Knight, as a matter of fact, with a group of people.
事实上，我记得和一群人一起在黑骑士里。
And one of the things about Lois was that she was fairly articulate for a working girl.
路易斯的一个特点是，对于一个职业女孩来说，她的口才相当好。
And we would have lively conversations, me and her.
我和她，我们会进行热烈的交谈。
That was one of the things that we enjoyed.
这是我们喜欢的事情之一。
We would have lively conversations.
我们会进行热烈的交谈。
Well, one of the things was that, when you were sitting with a group of guys, then every ho in the place is taking second position to their man.
嗯，其中一件事是，当你和一群人坐在一起时，这个地方的每个人都在他们的男人之后占据第二位置。
And so they basically are at this point where they don't speak until they're spoken to.
因此，他们基本上处于这种状态，除非有人对他们说话，否则他们不会说话。
And so when I come in with Lois, she's disrupting this whole [BLEEP] thing.
所以当我和露易丝一起进来时，她正在扰乱这整个[BLEEP]事情。
I mean, she's [BLEEP] all this [BLEEP] up.
我的意思是，她[哔]了这一切[哔]。
Because you know what?
因为你知道什么？
Because I'm talking [BLEEP], and then she's talking [BLEEP] too.
因为我在说 [BLEEP]，然后她也在说 [BLEEP]。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
And she's not waiting for me to stop to give her the OK to talk [BLEEP].
她并没有等我停下来允许她说话[BLEEP]。
She's talking [BLEEP] as a separate entity all unto herself.
她作为一个独立的实体对自己说话[BLEEP]。
And not only is she talking [BLEEP], but she'll talk to some other man.
她不仅会[BLEEP]说话，还会和其他男人说话。
Do you see what I'm saying?
你明白我在说什么吗？
Like some other pimp sitting there.
就像其他皮条客坐在那里一样。
So you see, I wasn't just treating her as a ho.
所以你看，我不只是把她当成一个妓女。
I was treating her, to some degree, as a partner to me.
在某种程度上，我把她当作我的伴侣。
So our relationship was different, and that created a definite conflict when we're sitting around a table with a bunch of pimps and a bunch of hos who won't even say nothing unless they're spoken to.
所以我们的关系是不同的，当我们和一群皮条客和一群老板坐在一张桌子旁时，这造成了明显的冲突，除非有人跟他们说话，否则他们什么也不会说。
And then this bitch is running her mouth 90 miles an hour talking [BLEEP] about the same [BLEEP] that we're talking about.
然后这个婊子以每小时 90 英里的速度用嘴说[BLEEP]我们正在谈论的同一个[BLEEP]。
Every ho in the joint is looking at her saying, who the [BLEEP] is this bitch?
酒吧里的每个人都看着她说，这个贱人是谁？
You know I mean?
你知道我的意思吗？
This bitch is out of line.
这母狗太不合规矩了
He need to slap that bitch in the mouth and make her shut up.
他必须打那个贱人的嘴，让她闭嘴。
I actually used to get a kick out of it.
事实上我曾经从中得到过乐趣。
I thought it was funny that she was spirited, like a horse.
我觉得很有趣，她像一匹马一样精力充沛。
She was spirited and strong willed.
她精神抖擞，意志坚强。
And I actually liked that.
我真的很喜欢这样。
But for a ho, that wasn't a very good trait to have.
但对于一个豪族来说，这并不是一个很好的特质。
And so guys, they used to give me a hard time about that.
所以伙计们，他们曾经为此让我很为难。
They was like, man, if you're coming, leave that bitch at home.
他们就像，伙计，如果你来的话，就把那个婊子留在家里。
It got to that point.
事情已经到了这个地步。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
Look, if you're coming, man, leave that bitch at home, man.
听着，如果你要来，伙计，就把那个婊子留在家里吧，伙计。
Because that bitch is just disruptive to the game.
因为那个婊子只会破坏比赛。
It got where they didn't want her around their ho.
他们不想让她在他们身边。
Believe me, over the years I heard people say, man, that nigger ain't no pimp.
相信我，多年来我听到人们说，伙计，那个黑鬼不是皮条客。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
He ain't no pimp, you know what I mean?
他不是皮条客，你明白我的意思吗？
But I even got that from my friends, my best friends.
但我什至从我的朋友，我最好的朋友那里得到了这一点。
So they were critical of you and the way--
所以他们对你和你的方式持批评态度——
Sure.
当然。
Tamar Brott So at this point, Kevin's become like the pimp who can't shoot straight.
塔玛·布罗特 所以在这一点上，凯文就像一个无法直接射击的皮条客。
His friends keep berating him for fraternizing with Lois, for never giving her quotas.
他的朋友们一直责备他与路易斯交好，从不给她配额。
But most appalling is that Kevin's still dating his childhood sweetheart and buying her expensive gifts, all paid for with Lois' money.
但最令人震惊的是，凯文仍在与他青梅竹马的恋人约会，并为她购买昂贵的礼物，所有这些都是用路易斯的钱支付的。
This is the thing that the guys got on me the worst about.
这是那些家伙对我最不满的事情。
The guys said, look, what you're doing is wrong.
那些人说，看，你做的事情是错的。
Because what I would do-- Lois was probably making, like I said, between $400 and $600 in a day.
因为我会做的事情——就像我说的，路易斯一天的收入可能在 400 到 600 美元之间。
I would shower this other girl with gifts.
我会给另一个女孩送礼物。
I mean, just spent incredible amounts of money on her.
我的意思是，刚刚在她身上花了很多钱。
Diamond rings, gold necklaces.
钻戒、金项链。
That was another thing the guys, as I said, used to get mad at me.
正如我所说，这也是那些家伙曾经对我生气的另一件事。
Because they used to say, man, you're not being true to this ho.
因为他们常说，伙计，你对这个男人不忠诚。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思？
You can't be spending this ho's money on this square girl unless this girl is paying you too, you know what I mean?
你不能把这个豪的钱花在这个方形女孩身上，除非这个女孩也付钱给你，你知道我的意思吗？
[UNINTELLIGIBLE]
[无法理解]
And that was one of the rules of the game.
这就是游戏规则之一。
You can't be taking money from a ho and then spend it on a square broad, because then, in a way, you're being a trick, just like the trick who's spending money with your ho.
你不能从一个豪身上拿钱，然后把它花在一个广场上，因为那样，在某种程度上，你就是一个骗子，就像那些在你的豪身上花钱的骗子一样。
You see?
你看？
And so they didn't understand.
所以他们不明白。
This was like a total contradiction to them.
这对他们来说完全是矛盾的。
It's like, how you going to be a pimp if she's getting money from tricks and then you turn around and being a trick?
就好像，如果她通过欺骗骗钱，然后你又转身去当皮条客，你怎么会成为一个皮条客呢？
We did have an occasion where Lois did something that was totally unacceptable.
我们确实有一次路易斯做了一些完全不可接受的事情。
And at that time, she had left the house.
而那时，她已经离开了家。
And she had been gone for maybe a week or something like that.
她已经离开了大概一个星期或者类似的时间了。
And this was totally unacceptable behavior in any relationship, let alone a pimp-ho relationship.
在任何关系中，这都是完全不可接受的行为，更不用说皮条客关系了。
So I'm at home, and I'm handling my business.
所以我在家里，正在处理我的事情。
And after a couple of days-- you stay up a couple of nights and you worry.
几天后，你熬了几个晚上，你很担心。
But after a couple days, you get back to your routine.
但几天后，你就会恢复正常生活。
And you know, what the [BLEEP], it'll work itself out.
你知道，什么[BLEEP]，它会自行解决。
But I remember her sort of waltzing in the house, and me and the boys is there just kicking it, right?
但我记得她在屋子里跳华尔兹，而我和孩子们就在那里踢着，对吧？
And I remember her waltzing in the house like nothing happened.
我记得她在屋子里跳着华尔兹，就像什么都没发生过一样。
It was like, hey, how's it going?
就像，嘿，怎么样？
And she comes in, and she's heading to the kitchen.
她进来了，正走向厨房。
And I remember the guys was there.
我记得那些人就在那里。
And so I felt like, to some extent, I had to do something.
所以我觉得，在某种程度上，我必须做点什么。
I had to act.
我必须采取行动。
I couldn't let her just arrogantly walk in like that with the guys sitting there.
我不能让她就这么傲慢地和那些家伙一起走进去。
So I remember I wheeled around and I slapped her.
所以我记得我转身打了她一巴掌。
I slapped her.
我打了她一巴掌。
And I slapper her hard.
我狠狠地打了她一巴掌。
I mean, I slapped her real hard.
我的意思是，我狠狠地打了她一巴掌。
And when I slapped her, she fell to the ground.
当我打她一巴掌时，她倒在了地上。
And she just laid there knocked out.
她只是躺在那里昏倒了。
She was knocked out.
她被击倒了。
And I'm thinking to myself, jeez.
我在心里想，天啊。
Did she hit her head when she was going down?
她下楼的时候有没有撞到头？
What is all of this about?
这一切到底是怎么回事？
So she's laying there.
所以她就躺在那儿。
I remember looking around, and I think it was Mark who was there.
我记得环顾四周，我认为那是马克。
And I remember, Mark looked at me, and he had this sort of look of disgust.
我记得，马克看着我，他的表情很厌恶。
Like, this bitch is just playing you like a [BLEEP] yo-yo.
就像，这个婊子只是像[BLEEP]溜溜球一样玩弄你。
And I'll tell you something really interesting.
我会告诉你一些非常有趣的事情。
Almost without thought, I remember I had this pool stick in my hand.
几乎不假思索，我就记得我手里拿着这根台球杆。
And I just whacked her across her back with this pool stick just about as hard as I could.
我只是用这根台球杆尽我所能地猛击她的背。
It broke the pool stick in half.
它把台球杆折成了两半。
And let me tell you, I've never seen nobody jump up this quick in my life.
让我告诉你，我一生中从未见过有人跳得这么快。
This girl was like she was passed out.
这丫头就像是昏过去了一样。
I've never seen nobody jump up so quick in my life.
我一生中从未见过有人跳得这么快。
This girl jumped straight up off the floor and ran out the back door, through the kitchen, out the back door.
这个女孩直接从地板上跳了起来，从后门跑了出去，穿过厨房，从后门跑了出去。
I mean, she just jumped.
我的意思是，她刚刚跳了起来。
It's almost like she had springs.
就好像她有弹簧一样。
And I remember Mark saying to me, "Man, that bitch is trying to play you." He said, "Man, that bitch you slapped, she was acting like she was knocked out.
我记得马克对我说：“伙计，那个婊子想玩弄你。”他说：“伙计，你打的那个母狗，她表现得就像是被打晕了一样。
She was going to lay there all night if you'd have let her." He said, "Man, that bitch is playing on you." He said, "Kevin, you know what, man?
如果你允许的话，她会在那里躺上一整夜。”他说：“伙计，那个婊子在玩弄你。”他说：“凯文，你知道吗，伙计？
You need to take care of that bitch, because that bitch is straight playing you."
你需要照顾那个母狗，因为那个母狗在玩弄你。”
Would you have hit her if you were alone?
如果你一个人的话你会打她吗？
Initially, yeah, I probably would have.
最初，是的，我可能会的。
Yeah, I probably would have, only because I would have known that it was in order.
是的，我可能会这样做，只是因为我知道这是正常的。
It was what was in order.
本来就是这样的。
Yeah.
是的。
It's almost like I had to.
这几乎就像我必须这样做一样。
And she knew it.
她知道这一点。
What was really funny was that later, she got bored.
真正有趣的是，后来她感到无聊了。
Because I lived a fairly normal life now, she got bored.
因为我现在过着相当正常的生活，她感到无聊。
But I remember one day, this guy I heard pulling up to my door and knocking on the door.
但我记得有一天，我听到这个人把车停在我家门口，敲门。
And I look out and it's Lois.
我向外一看，是路易斯。
And she's got this guy with her.
而且她还带着这个男人。
And he's a guy who, actually, I had known, I had seen around, who I knew to be a pimp named Jared.
事实上，我早就认识他，我见过他，我知道他是一个皮条客，名叫贾里德。
And Jared says to me, "Look, let me talk to you for a minute." So he comes in and he says, "Look, man.
贾里德对我说：“听着，让我和你谈谈。”所以他进来说：“看，伙计。
Your ho, she re-chose.
你的霍，她重新选择了。
She's choosing me.
她选择了我。
She want to be with me now." He said, "I hope you don't have no problem with none of this, man.
她现在想和我在一起。”他说：“我希望你对这一切都没有问题，伙计。
I just wanted to come to you man to man and let you know what time it is."
我只是想一对一地来找你，让你知道现在几点了。”
Now, it's really funny.
现在看来，真的很有趣。
As dignified and as much a part of the game that I had been, and as much as I had seen, at that point, I said to him, fine.
就我曾经的尊严和比赛的一部分而言，以及我所看到的，在那一刻，我对他说，很好。
I said, that's fine.
我说，那好吧。
I was real dignified.
我真是有尊严。
I said, that's fine.
我说，那好吧。
She can go.
她可以走了。
And I remember him saying, "She want to get her clothes." I said, that bitch can't get [BLEEP] out of my mother [BLEEP] house.
我记得他说：“她想要得到她的衣服。”我说，那个婊子无法[BLEEP]离开我母亲[BLEEP]的房子。
Period.
时期。
And it's really funny because, see, in the name of the game, I shouldn't have did that.
这真的很有趣，因为，看，以游戏的名义，我不应该那样做。
I should've said, sure, go ahead.
我应该说，当然，继续吧。
But at that point, even after all the training, after all the schooling, after all the being around, and after understanding how the game goes, at that point, I lost it.
但在那一点上，即使经过所有的训练，经过所有的学校教育，经过所有的相处，并且了解比赛的进行方式之后，在那一点上，我迷失了。
And I was like, no. You've got her, but the bitch can't have a [BLEEP] thing from me.
我当时想，不。你已经抓住了她，但是那个婊子不能从我这里得到[哔]的东西。
And it was really funny.
这真的很有趣。
It taught me something about the game, because when you're in violation of the game, the game will always come back and bite you.
它教会了我一些关于游戏的事情，因为当你违反游戏规则时，游戏总会回来咬你。
But I remember them leaving.
但我记得他们离开了。
And I remember them returning about 15 minutes later with the police.
我记得大约 15 分钟后他们和警察一起回来了。
They came in, they took all her clothes, and they left.
他们进来了，拿走了她所有的衣服，然后就离开了。
Now, you know what?
现在，你知道吗？
They had every right to, because in the name of the game, I should've gave her stuff back anyway.
他们完全有权利这样做，因为以游戏的名义，我无论如何都应该把东西还给她。
But at that time, I was so angry she was reverting back.
但当时我很生气，她又回来了。
Because one of the things she had always said was that she was so glad that she didn't have a traditional pimp-ho relationship, that she didn't no longer want to be a part of that.
因为她总是说的一件事是，她很高兴自己没有传统的皮条客关系，她不想再成为其中的一部分。
But what she taught me was that she longed for it.
但她教会我的是她渴望它。
She actually did miss it.
她确实错过了。
So you think she just lost respect for you as a pimp since you didn't care about any of that?
所以你认为她只是因为你不关心这些而失去了对你作为皮条客的尊重？
I think so.
我想是的。
Yeah, I think so.
是的，我想是的。
I think at some point, she needed somebody who held those values that she held higher than what I held them.
我认为在某些时候，她需要有人持有她所持有的价值观高于我所持有的价值观。
As I was telling you, I didn't care if she brought $100 home.
正如我告诉你的，我不在乎她是否带 100 美元回家。
And I think when she started to realize that I didn't care, that was so much a part of her self-esteem.
我想当她开始意识到我不在乎时，这就是她自尊的一部分。
She always prided herself in her ability to make money that way.
她总是为自己能够通过这种方式赚钱而感到自豪。
And yeah, I think she started to say, "[BLEEP], this [BLEEP], he don't give a [BLEEP].
是的，我想她开始说，“[BLEEP]，这个[BLEEP]，他不发出[BLEEP]。
He don't give a [BLEEP] about me." That my not caring about the money, for me, translated into me not caring about her, to her.
他对我的事不屑一顾。”我对钱的不关心，对我来说，转化为我对她的不关心。
Were you heartbroken?
你心碎了吗？
Kevin At the time, yeah.
凯文当时，是的。
It was tough.
这很艰难。
After Lois, Kevin had a few other girls.
路易斯之后，凯文还有其他几个女孩。
But his heart wasn't in it.
但他的心不在这上面。
He just wasn't a very good pimp, and they knew it too.
他只是不是一个很好的皮条客，他们也知道这一点。
And eventually, they left him.
最终，他们离开了他。
For girls would had been around and who had been with guys who were pimps, they would soon find that I didn't feel that need in them, in terms of being able to control them or even having a desire to, in terms of how a raw pimp would handle them.
对于那些曾经和皮条客在一起的女孩来说，她们很快就会发现我对她们没有那种需要，无论是能够控制她们，还是有欲望，或者是一个原始的皮条客会如何处理她们。
And so as a result, I would either get rid of them or they would get rid of me.
因此，我要么摆脱他们，要么他们摆脱我。
One of the two.
两者之一。
Finally, after few years, Kevin got out of the game.
几年后，凯文终于退出了游戏。
By then, it was almost the '80s and pimping was dying.
那时已经快到八十年代了，拉皮条的现象已经消亡。
The vice cops I spoke to said women's lib killed off the pimps.
我采访过的副警察说妇女解放组织消灭了皮条客。
They couldn't stand it anymore, giving all their money to a man.
他们再也受不了了，把所有的钱都给了一个男人。
Kevin said it was a combination of that and crack cocaine that did in the '70s pimp.
凯文说，这是 70 年代皮条客中的可卡因和强效可卡因的结合。
Crack cocaine sets you down.
强效可卡因会让你情绪低落。
When you smoke that stuff, you have no desire to go anywhere.
当你吸那些东西时，你就不想去任何地方。
It's almost like you're embalmed.
这几乎就像你被防腐处理一样。
It starts to also trickle down from the pimps to the girls.
它也开始从皮条客流向女孩。
Because now, their guy, who they had all their self-esteem in, is looking up at all this time, is now sitting in the house.
因为现在，他们的那个一直仰视着他们的自尊的男人，现在正坐在房子里。
He's just not the same person that he was once before.
他只是不再是以前的那个人了。
He's not riding.
他没有骑马。
He's not fun like he used to be.
他不再像以前那样有趣了。
He's not excited anymore.
他不再兴奋了。
He don't have this whole god complex of being I'm still great and this and that.
他没有“我仍然伟大”这样的整个上帝情结。
Every one of these guys that I'm telling you about got involved with crack cocaine.
我告诉你的这些人中的每一个都与强效可卡因有关。
Every single one of them.
他们每一个。
And eventually, they lost all control.
最终，他们失去了所有控制。
It took out many a pimp.
它消灭了许多皮条客。
Many a pimp.
许多皮条客。
Did any of them realize as it was happening that this was a downward spiral?
当事情发生时，他们中有人意识到这是一个螺旋式下降吗？
No. Not a single person ever stopped to think, "Well, you know what?
不，没有一个人曾停下来思考：“嗯，你知道吗？
Maybe this game is getting old.
也许这个游戏已经老了。
Maybe it's getting antiquated.
也许它已经过时了。
Maybe it's time--" they always thought they were coming back.
也许是时候了——”他们总是以为自己会回来。
They were coming back.
他们要回来了。
They were always one ho away from coming back, from being on top of the game.
他们总是只差一点点就能回来，距离在比赛中处于领先地位。
I think the guys who were smart, who aspire to something better, they will always have used the game as a means to getting somewhere else.
我认为那些聪明的人，那些渴望更好的东西的人，他们总是会利用游戏作为到达其他地方的手段。
And that was very clear.
这非常清楚。
But for the guys who were purely in the game for the game itself and felt from day one that the pimping was all they wanted to do, that's all they ever did.
但对于那些纯粹为了游戏本身而参与游戏并从第一天起就觉得拉皮条就是他们想做的事情的人来说，这就是他们所做的一切。
They lived it, they'll die it.
他们活过，也终将死去。
Simple as that.
就这么简单。
Still, like I said, it's about the purity and the love and the truth of the game.
尽管如此，就像我说的，这还是关于游戏的纯粹性、爱和真相。
And that's the thing that-- I always loved that.
这就是我一直喜欢的事情。
I always understood the purity by which they approached what they did and their pure love of it.
我一直理解他们对待工作的纯粹性以及他们对工作的纯粹热爱。
I always admired that, and I still do to this day.
我一直很钦佩这一点，直到今天我仍然如此。
I still love the purity of which they loved it, and they studied it.
我仍然喜欢他们所喜欢的纯洁性，并且他们研究了它。
They studied it, and they elevated it to an art form.
他们研究了它，并将其提升为一种艺术形式。
Kevin, today, makes his living in the straight world creating jewelry for rap stars.
如今，凯文 (Kevin) 在异性恋世界中为说唱明星制作珠宝谋生。
He spoke with Tamar Brott in California.
他与加利福尼亚州的塔玛·布罗特进行了交谈。
Our program was produced today by Alix Spiegel and myself, with Nancy Updike and Julie Snyder.
今天我们的节目由我和阿利克斯·斯皮格尔、南希·厄普代克和朱莉·斯奈德共同制作。
Contributing editors, Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, and Consigliere Sarah Vowell.
特约编辑 Paul Tough、Jack Hitt、Margy Rochlin 和 Consigliere Sarah Vowell。
Production help from Jorge Just, Todd Bachmann, and Sylvia Lemus.
Jorge Just、Todd Bachmann 和 Sylvia Lemus 为制作提供帮助。
[ACKNOLWEDGEMENTS] Musical advice from R.J.
[致谢] R.J. 的音乐建议
Smith.
史密斯.
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要购买本节目或我们任何节目的磁带，请致电芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
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或者访问我们的网站，您可以购买磁带，也可以免费在线收听我们的节目，www.thisamericanlife.org。
Special bonus tracks on the website this week.
本周网站上有特别奖励曲目。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who knew that I would be a perfect public radio employee when he sidled up to me in a bar one night, years ago, and demanded--
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia) 负责监督，几年前的一个晚上，当他在酒吧里偷偷靠近我时，他知道我会成为一名完美的公共广播电台员工，并要求——
Buy me a drink.
给我买一杯饮料。
Ira Glass I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。