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Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life .
序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥和国际公共广播电台的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Hello, I'm Paul Lalonde.
你好，我是保罗·拉隆德。
You see, the world you're sitting in right now is a completely different world than the one I'm sitting in recording this message.
你看，你现在所处的世界与我记录此消息时所处的世界完全不同。
An event the Bible calls the Rapture has taken place, and millions or even billions of people have vanished from the face of the Earth, including myself and all of the men you're going to see on this video today.
圣经中称为“被提”的事件已经发生，数以百万计甚至数十亿的人从地球表面消失，包括我自己和你们今天在这段视频中看到的所有人。
You know, while we can't begin to imagine what the world you're sitting in right now must be like, we can at least say we knew this was going to happen, and we can answer many of the questions that are so important to you right now.
你知道，虽然我们无法开始想象你现在所处的世界是什么样子，但我们至少可以说我们知道这会发生，并且我们可以回答许多现在对你来说非常重要的问题。
This is a video called Left Behind , and it exists to solve a problem.
这是一个名为“Left Behind”的视频，它的存在是为了解决一个问题。
In the view of evangelical and fundamentalist Christians who try to understand the prophecies in the Bible, we as a species are on the verge of some terrible events, events that will usher in the end of time and the return of Jesus to the Earth.
在试图理解圣经预言的福音派和原教旨主义基督徒看来，我们作为一个物种正处于一些可怕事件的边缘，这些事件将迎来时间的终结和耶稣重返地球。
But the very first thing that will happen at the start of these times, according to these Christians, according to the Bible, is that good Christians will be lifted away to Heaven in an instant.
但根据这些基督徒和圣经的说法，在这些时代开始时发生的第一件事是，好基督徒将立即被提升到天堂。
That's what they call the Rapture.
这就是他们所说的被提。
This video and others like it are designed to explain to those left behind exactly what's occurred and what happens after the Christians are all gone.
这段视频和其他类似的视频旨在向那些留下来的人解释到底发生了什么，以及基督徒全部消失后会发生什么。
I would assume that there's a lot of fear, there's a lot of tension.
我认为有很多恐惧，有很多紧张。
I would assume that newscasters are speculating as to the disappearance of millions and millions of people on planet Earth.
我认为新闻播音员正在猜测地球上数百万人的失踪。
You are wondering what's going to take place next.
您想知道接下来会发生什么。
I would refer you to the Bible.
我建议你参考圣经。
The Bibles are still left, all over the world--
圣经仍然留在世界各地——
Well, the true believers have just been taken out, as those crazy Christians used to tell you they would.
好吧，真正的信徒刚刚被除掉了，正如那些疯狂的基督徒过去告诉你的那样。
And they've all been suddenly, without warning, snatched out to meet Christ in the air, and they've been changed from mortal to immortal.
他们突然在没有任何警告的情况下被抓出来在空中与基督相遇，他们从凡人变成了不朽的人。
Much of this videotape is a warning.
该录像带的大部分内容都是警告。
It says that after the Christians all vanish, there will be seven years of tribulation with a false prophet, an antichrist.
它说，在基督徒全部消失之后，将会有一个假先知、一个敌基督者的七年灾难。
The video tries to warn us against all of the lies that the antichrist will tell, but it's very tricky business because the people putting together the videotape do not know what exactly the lies will be.
该视频试图警告我们提防反基督者会说的所有谎言，但这是非常棘手的事情，因为制作录像带的人并不知道谎言到底是什么。
And as we sit and ponder that, we think about if the rapture took place in the world in which we live today, the one frame of reference that most people would have for this event came from something that's been very popular in this world for the last decade or so.
当我们坐下来思考这个问题时，我们会想，如果被提发生在我们今天生活的世界里，大多数人对这一事件的参考框架来自于过去十年左右在这个世界上非常流行的东西。
It's called Star Trek.
这就是所谓的《星际迷航》。
And it's called the transporter beam.
它被称为传输光束。
"Beam me up, Scotty." So stories will begin to explode that people have been taken off this planet on UFOs, that they've been sent to other planets, to slave planets, or that they have just been brought up to a UFO for some reason or another.
“把我传送出去，斯科蒂。”因此，人们会被不明飞行物带离这个星球，被送到其他星球，被送到奴隶星球，或者因为某种原因被带到不明飞行物那里。
This is simply not true, according to the Scripture.
根据圣经，这根本不是事实。
It is a lie that we know is forthcoming.
我们知道这是一个即将到来的谎言。
There's a kind of Left Behind industry churning out product right now.
现在有一种落后行业正在生产产品。
A series of novels about what will happen after the Rapture during the years of tribulation predicted by the Bible has crossed over from the Christian bestseller list to the mainstream charts.
一系列关于《圣经》预言的大灾难时期被提后会发生什么的小说已经从基督教畅销书排行榜跨入主流排行榜。
The latest book in the series is at number seven on the New York Times Bestseller list this week.
该系列的最新书本周在《纽约时报》畅销书排行榜上排名第七。
It sold a half million copies in its first two weeks.
它在发行的前两周就售出了 50 万份。
The other four books in the series plus the videos plus the audio books plus the special series about the end time for young people called Left Behind For Kids together have sold about 6 million copies, according to the publisher.
据出版商称，该系列的其他四本书加上视频、有声读物以及关于年轻人末日的特别系列《Left Behind For Kids》总共售出约 600 万册。
And if you don't think that the people in your life believe in these prophecies, just ask around.
如果你认为你生活中的人不相信这些预言，那就问问周围的人吧。
In an informal poll of the people who work at this public radio station where I speak to you from right now, WBEZ in Chicago, nine people out of the 55 that we asked said they do believe in the biblical prophecies of the Rapture and the end time.
在对芝加哥 WBEZ 公共广播电台工作人员的非正式民意调查中，我们询问的 55 个人中有 9 人表示，他们确实相信圣经中关于被提和末日的预言。
And yet, this is an area where religious people and secular people definitely do not see eye to eye.
然而，在这个领域，宗教人士和世俗人士的看法肯定不一致。
Secular people, non-Christians, usually do not take these beliefs very seriously.
世俗的人，非基督徒，通常不会非常认真地对待这些信仰。
In this hour today, we try to demonstrate why they should.
在今天的这个时间里，我们试图展示为什么他们应该这样做。
Our subject today, the end of the world.
今天我们的主题是世界末日。
Act One, Cowboys of the Apocalypse, the true story of fundamentalist Christians uniting in a project with orthodox Jews to create a cow that could bring about the end of the world.
第一幕《启示录牛仔》讲述了原教旨主义基督徒与正统犹太人联合开展一项计划，创造一头可以带来世界末日的牛的真实故事。
Act Two, the Cost of Misunderstanding, an explanation of why an FBI agent might want to pack a Bible along with his gun.
第二幕，误解的代价，解释了为什么联邦调查局特工可能想把一本圣经和枪放在一起。
Act Three, Again.
第三幕，再次。
Writer Sarah Vowell has seen the end of the world not once, not twice, but three times.
作家莎拉·沃威尔（Sarah Vowell）亲眼目睹了世界末日，不是一次，不是两次，而是三次。
And she is back to tell the tale.
她回来讲述这个故事。
Act Four, None Shall Know the Exact Hour or Time, in which we answer the question, what do the dates October 22, 1844, May 21, 1999, and September 11, 1999, what do those dates have in common?
第四幕，无人知晓确切的时刻或时间，我们在其中回答以下问题：1844 年 10 月 22 日、1999 年 5 月 21 日和 1999 年 9 月 11 日这三个日期是什么？这些日期有什么共同点？
We have answers coming up.
我们即将给出答案。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Cowboys of the Apocalypse.
第一幕，启示录牛仔。
Clyde Lott was a man with two main interests, cows-- he was a cattle breeder by profession-- and the Bible.
克莱德·洛特有两个主要兴趣：牛——他的职业是养牛人——和圣经。
He's also an evangelical minister.
他也是一位福音派牧师。
And one day, he was doing something that combined his two interests.
有一天，他正在做一件结合了他的两种兴趣的事情。
Lawrence Wright wrote about him in The New Yorker magazine.
劳伦斯·赖特在《纽约客》杂志上写了关于他的文章。
He was going through the Bible and looking for all the references about cows.
他正在翻阅《圣经》并寻找所有有关奶牛的参考资料。
The early books of the Bible are essentially about an agricultural people, so there are a lot of references about cattle.
圣经的早期书籍基本上是关于农业民族的，因此有很多关于牛的参考文献。
And when he came upon Numbers 19, he found this reference.
当他读到民数记十九章时，他发现了这个参考文献。
When God was speaking to Moses, God commanded that Moses tell his people to bring him a red heifer without spot or blemish, and it would be sacrificed to him.
当上帝对摩西说话时，上帝命令摩西告诉他的人民给他带来一头没有斑点或瑕疵的红色母牛，并将其献给他。
And Clyde began to wonder where they might have gotten such a cow, because all of the cattle that he could find referenced in the Old Testament were spotted or striped.
克莱德开始想知道他们从哪里得到这样一头牛，因为他能找到的《旧约全书》中提到的所有牛都是有斑点或条纹的。
But what he also knew is that there's a breed of cattle call the Red Angus that's as red as an Irish Setter.
但他也知道有一种牛叫做红安格斯牛，它的颜色和爱尔兰塞特犬一样红。
And it seems to be unknown in the Middle East.
而在中东地区似乎无人知晓。
So it struck him that he might be the very man who could bring the red heifer back to the land of Israel.
因此，他突然想到，他可能就是那个能够将红母牛带回以色列土地的人。
Now, there's an important reason Clyde Lott might want to do that, and that reason involves biblical prophecy.
现在，克莱德·洛特可能想这样做有一个重要原因，这个原因涉及圣经预言。
In Clyde Lott's reading of the Bible-- and many people see it this way-- the second coming of Jesus, Armageddon, the Rapture, the thousand-year reign of Jesus on Earth, all this will occur only after three things happen.
在克莱德·洛特对圣经的解读中——很多人都是这样看的——耶稣的第二次降临、哈米吉多顿、被提、耶稣在地球上的千年统治，这一切只有在三件事发生之后才会发生。
Number one, the establishment of the state of Israel.
第一，以色列建国。
Number two, Jerusalem has to be in Jewish hands.
第二，耶路撒冷必须在犹太人手中。
And number three, the ancient Jewish temple in Jerusalem, a temple that was destroyed in 79 AD, that temple has to be rebuilt and reestablished as the center of Jewish worship.
第三，耶路撒冷古老的犹太圣殿，这座圣殿于公元 79 年被毁，必须重建该圣殿，并将其重建为犹太崇拜的中心。
Now, numbers one and two, of course, have come to pass in the last few decades.
当然，第一和第二点在过去几十年里已经成为现实。
But to reestablish the ancient Jewish temple, somebody would first have to purify the ground for the temple, and then they would have to purify the temple itself.
但要重建古老的犹太圣殿，必须首先净化圣殿的土地，然后才能净化圣殿本身。
And to do that, according to the Bible, somebody would have to sacrifice a pure Numbers 19 red heifer without spot or blemish.
根据圣经，要做到这一点，有人必须牺牲一头没有斑点或瑕疵的纯民数记 19 红色小母牛。
Where would a cow like that come from?
这样的牛从哪里来？
Clyde Lott turned the question over and over in his head, until one day in the summer of 1990.
克莱德·洛特在脑子里一遍又一遍地思考这个问题，直到 1990 年夏天的一天。
Well, he was out baling hay and his baler broke.
好吧，他出去打捆干草，他的打捆机坏了。
And he started to go into town to get a new part, and he found himself, he said, driving instead to Jackson, Mississippi, the capital, and walked into the Department of Agriculture.
他开始进城去寻找新零件，他说，他发现自己开车去了密西西比州首府杰克逊，走进了农业部。
And I can remember walking into his office straight out of the hayfield--
我记得直接从干草场走进他的办公室——
This is Clyde Lott.
这是克莱德·洛特。
Clyde Lott --with blue jeans, Wal-Mart tennis shoes, baseball cap, dirty, smelly, hay and grass all over me, grease on me, and asking the question, or stating the fact and then asking the question, where did Israel get their red cow from?
克莱德·洛特——穿着蓝色牛仔裤，沃尔玛网球鞋，戴着棒球帽，浑身又脏又臭，干草和草，身上有油脂，然后问问题，或者陈述事实然后问问题，以色列从哪里得到他们的红牛？
And you could imagine his response for the first few minutes.
你可以想象他在最初几分钟的反应。
Yeah, what was his response?
是啊，他的反应是什么？
Was he like, well, you're the third person in here today asking me this?
他是不是觉得，你是今天第三个问我这个问题的人？
No. He looked at me for several minutes before he realized that I was serious.
不，他看了我几分钟才意识到我是认真的。
When this official realized Mr. Lott was serious, he helped him write a letter that made its way from one US government official to another until finally it was forwarded to a private organization in Israel called the Temple Institute.
当这位官员意识到洛特先生是认真的时，他帮他写了一封信，这封信从一位美国政府官员传给另一位美国政府官员，最后被转发给以色列一个名为坦普尔研究所的私人组织。
The Temple Institute is run by very religious Jews whose goal is, as you might expect, to reestablish the ancient temple in Jerusalem.
圣殿研究所由虔诚的犹太人经营，正如您所料，他们的目标是重建耶路撒冷的古圣殿。
They want to do this because it's the belief of some Jews that to be truly Jewish, you have to obey all the commandments in the Bible.
他们想这样做是因为一些犹太人相信，要成为真正的犹太人，就必须遵守圣经中的所有诫命。
And it turns out that about a third of those commandments are specifically about things that happened at that original temple.
事实证明，这些诫命中大约有三分之一是专门针对在最初的圣殿中发生的事情的。
Also, many orthodox Jews believe that the Messiah, the Jewish Messiah who's been awaited for millennia, cannot arrive until the temple is rebuilt.
此外，许多正统犹太人认为，在圣殿重建之前，等待了数千年的犹太弥赛亚不可能到来。
And it turns out that the rabbis at the temple institute had been pondering the question of where they were going to find a Numbers 19 red heifer without blemish or spot.
事实证明，圣殿研究所的拉比们一直在思考到哪里才能找到一头没有瑕疵和斑点的编号19的红色小母牛。
And so naturally they were very interested to talk with Mr. Lott.
因此，他们自然非常有兴趣与洛特先生交谈。
After some letters and phone calls, he flew to meet with them in Jerusalem.
经过一些信件和电话后，他飞到耶路撒冷与他们会面。
What they put into motion was a project that now involves dozens of people, volunteers, cattlemen, many Christian and Jewish donors, and very high-tech, 20th-century breeding techniques all to create a Red Angus that would conform to biblical law and also thrive in the heat of the Mideast.
他们启动了一个项目，目前涉及数十人、志愿者、牧民、许多基督徒和犹太教捐赠者，以及非常高科技的 20 世纪育种技术，所有这些都旨在创造一种符合圣经法律并在中东炎热环境下茁壮成长的红安格斯牛。
From the very start, Clyde Lott says, they found they had a lot to talk about.
克莱德·洛特说，从一开始，他们就发现有很多话要谈。
Though, coming from his part of Mississippi, he had never really talked much with many Jews.
不过，由于他来自密西西比州，他从未真正与许多犹太人交谈过。
In meeting with Rabbi Ariel and meeting with Rabbi Richman, we began to talk about producing cows, red cows for Numbers 19.
在与拉比阿里尔和拉比里奇曼会面时，我们开始讨论为数字 19 生产奶牛、红牛。
And Rabbi Richman was interpreting for Rabbi Ariel.
里奇曼拉比 (Rabbi Richman) 为阿里尔拉比 (Rabbi Ariel) 担任翻译。
And one of the things that they had asked us was, how many cows did we think it would take to produce a Numbers 19 red heifer?
他们问我们的一件事是，我们认为需要多少头奶牛才能生产出一头 19 号红小母牛？
And we told him we thought that it would take approximately 200 head.
我们告诉他我们认为大约需要 200 头。
And what was amazing there, then, was they asked us how much they thought it would cost.
令人惊奇的是，他们问我们他们认为这会花费多少钱。
And we told Rabbi Richman $2,000 a head.
我们告诉 Rabbi Richman 每头 2,000 美元。
And he turned to Rabbi Ariel and told him $20,000.
他转向阿里尔拉比并告诉他 20,000 美元。
There was a mistake.
有一个错误。
He told him that in Hebrew?
他用希伯来语告诉他？
Clyde Lott Yes.
克莱德·洛特 是的。
Yes, he was speaking to Rabbi Ariel in Hebrew.
是的，他正在用希伯来语与阿里尔拉比交谈。
And you can imagine the next few minutes got pretty excited between those two rabbis, because that was quite a sum of money when you figure 200 head at $20,000 a head.
你可以想象接下来的几分钟那两个拉比之间的气氛非常兴奋，因为当你算出 200 头，每头 20,000 美元时，这是一笔相当大的钱。
And after several minutes of listening to them talk back and forth, we interrupted Rabbi Richman, and we asked him what the problem was.
在听了他们来来回回几分钟后，我们打断了里奇曼拉比，问他出了什么问题。
And he said, well, $20,000 is a lot of money for these cows.
他说，好吧，20,000 美元对于这些奶牛来说是很多钱。
And we made the statement and said simply this, that we're not trying to take advantage of you as you're seeking to turn back to God.
我们发表声明并简单地说，当你们寻求回归上帝时，我们并不是想利用你们。
And they were astonished because there was a parable in Jewish tradition about a Gentile who was a jeweler.
他们感到惊讶，因为犹太传统中有一个关于外邦人成为珠宝商的寓言。
And a jewel had fallen out of the vest of the chief rabbi.
首席拉比的背心里掉出了一颗宝石。
And a delegation had gone down to this jeweler who was supposed to replace this precious stone.
一个代表团去了这家珠宝商那里，他应该更换这颗宝石。
And they asked him how much it would cost to replace.
他们问他更换要花多少钱。
And he said it was 100 shekels, but he couldn't replace it at present because the box with the precious jewels was under the bed where his father was sleeping and he didn't want to disturb him.
他说是100谢克尔，但目前他无法更换，因为装有贵重珠宝的盒子在他父亲睡觉的床底下，他不想打扰他。
And they thought that was a ruse, so they raised the price and doubled it and then doubled it.
他们认为这是一个诡计，所以他们提高了价格，然后翻了一倍，然后又翻了一倍。
And finally it got up to 1,000 shekels and he still refused.
最后到了1000谢克尔，他还是拒绝了。
And the delegation left very angrily.
代表团很生气地离开了。
And shortly thereafter, according to the story, Dama ben Natina's father awoke and retrieved the jewel and ran down the road and gave it to the priest.
根据故事，此后不久，达玛·本·纳蒂娜的父亲醒来，取回了宝石，跑到路上把它交给了牧师。
And they in turn gave him the 1,000 shekels.
他们又给了他 1,000 谢克尔。
And he gave them back 900, correcting the price to 1/10, the same thing that we did.
然后他退还了他们 900，将价格修正为 1/10，和我们做的一样。
And as soon as he gave back the 900 shekels, he made the statement that I'm not trying to take advantage of you as you seek to turn to God, word for word, the same thing that we said almost 2,000-plus years later.
当他归还 900 谢克尔后，他就逐字逐句地声明，当你寻求转向上帝时，我并不是想占你的便宜，这与我们在近 2000 多年后所说的一样。
And right there on the road, the priest of the temple prayed a blessing over this man.
就在路上，寺庙的祭司为这个人祈祷祝福。
And the blessing was that out of his Gentile lineage one day would come the producer of the red heifer.
幸运的是，有一天，他的外邦血统中将会出现红母牛的生产者。
So the rabbis of the temple saw a striking similarity between the two.
因此，圣殿的拉比们发现两者之间有着惊人的相似之处。
And it really went a long way to establish our relationship with them.
我们与他们建立关系确实起了很大的作用。
Do you believe that you are descended from that man?
你相信你是那个人的后裔吗？
I have no idea.
我不知道。
But what I believe is very simply that we have been called by God to perform a needed function in the life of Israel.
但我相信的很简单，我们已被上帝呼召，在以色列的生活中履行所需的职能。
So when are the first cows going to be flown to Israel?
那么第一批奶牛什么时候会被空运到以色列呢？
We hope possibly as early as May.
我们希望最早可能在五月。
If not May, we feel like that it will be October, November.
如果不是五月，我们感觉会是十月、十一月。
And how many cows do you think are going to be in that first group?
您认为第一组中有多少头牛？
We hope to fly over approximately 300 head of heifers and 15 to 20 bulls.
我们希望飞越约 300 头小母牛和 15 至 20 头公牛。
And then how is that done?
那么这是怎么做到的呢？
What kind of plane does this?
这是什么飞机？
A 747.
747。
There are a number of planes that fly cattle, but we are working with a 747.
有很多飞机可以运送牲畜，但我们正在使用 747。
You know, that's not the only group of cows.
你知道，那不是唯一的一群牛。
There's apparently some cattle that are being bred in Texas as well.
显然德克萨斯州也饲养着一些牛。
So I think that the chances of a red heifer being born in Israel that meets all the requirements within the next several months is pretty strong.
因此，我认为未来几个月内在以色列出生满足所有要求的红小母牛的机会相当大。
I can't stress too strongly what a catastrophic thing it would be from a political and diplomatic point of view.
从政治和外交的角度来看，我无法过分强调这将是一场多么灾难性的事情。
It would be catastrophic, says Lawrence Wright, because once there was a red heifer, Jews and Christians would certainly start to agitate for the rebuilding of the ancient Jewish temple, and agitate hard.
劳伦斯·赖特说，这将是灾难性的，因为一旦出现一头红色小母牛，犹太人和基督徒肯定会开始鼓动重建古老的犹太圣殿，而且会大力鼓动。
A small portion of that temple still exists in Israel today, the Western Wall.
这座圣殿的一小部分今天仍然存在于以色列，即西墙。
You can see it if you go to Jerusalem.
如果你去耶路撒冷就可以看到。
But to rebuild the temple in its original form on its original site, which is the only thing that would be acceptable under Jewish law, most people believe that you would have to tear down two holy Islamic sites that stand near the Western Wall, the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock.
但是，要在原址上以原始形式重建寺庙（这是犹太法律唯一可以接受的事情），大多数人认为，您必须拆除西墙附近的两处伊斯兰圣地：阿克萨清真寺和圆顶清真寺。
The Dome of the Rock is the oldest building in Islam and one of its holiest sites.
圆顶清真寺是伊斯兰教最古老的建筑，也是其最神圣的地点之一。
Muslims believe that it was from this spot that Muhammad ascended to Heaven on his winged steed.
穆斯林相信，穆罕默德就是从这里骑着他的飞马升天的。
I think that it's extremely likely that one of two things will happen.
我认为极有可能发生以下两种情况之一。
Either some religious group will succeed in destroying or severely damaging one or both of the mosques on top of the temple mount.
某些宗教团体会成功摧毁或严重损坏圣殿山顶部的一座或两座清真寺。
Or else the extreme religious, political wing that is so ascendant in Israel now will gain enough power to decide to remove the mosque and reestablish the temple.
否则，现在在以色列占主导地位的极端宗教和政治派系将获得足够的权力，决定拆除清真寺并重建圣殿。
And I think it would be an unmitigated diplomatic catastrophe, and that it would excite a religious war such as we haven't seen since the Crusades.
我认为这将是一场彻头彻尾的外交灾难，并且会引发一场自十字军东征以来我们从未见过的宗教战争。
Really?
真的吗？
Lawrence Wright Well, you know, it is--
劳伦斯·赖特 好吧，你知道，它是——
I was with you up until that very last sentence.
我一直陪着你直到最后一句话。
I can't underscore too strongly how tense this situation is and how jealously the Muslim authorities guard this.
我无法过分强调这种局势是多么紧张，以及穆斯林当局是多么小心翼翼地保护这一点。
Just a few years ago, there's a little tunnel that runs alongside the temple mount.
就在几年前，圣殿山旁边还有一条小隧道。
And as a tourist, you can go walk along.
作为游客，你可以步行去。
You see these immense and quite beautiful stones that were fashioned under King Herod.
你可以看到这些巨大而美丽的石头，是希律王统治时期建造的。
And the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided to extend that tunnel so that people could walk all the way through without doubling back, so people could pass freely out into the street.
总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡决定延长这条隧道，以便人们可以一路步行而不必折返，这样人们就可以自由地进入街道。
And that itself was regarded with such suspicion that there were riots all over Jerusalem and the West Bank.
这本身就引起了人们的怀疑，以至于耶路撒冷和约旦河西岸各地都发生了骚乱。
90 people died.
90人死亡。
Just to build these tunnels for tourists?
只是为了给游客修建这些隧道吗？
90 people died over that?
90人因此丧生？
Lawrence Wright 90 people died for that.
劳伦斯·赖特 90 人因此丧生。
We've been accused of-- once cows getting over there-- starting World War III.
我们被指控——一旦奶牛到达那里——就引发了第三次世界大战。
And in fact, I've even been accused of being the antichrist.
事实上，我什至被指责为反基督者。
Wow.
哇。
Do you worry that perhaps one of the things that could happen, though, once red heifers are reintroduced to Israel, that it could lead to violence of one sort or another?
不过，您是否担心，一旦红小母牛重新引入以色列，可能会发生其中一件事，即可能导致某种暴力？
This is a faith walk with us.
这是与我们同行的信心。
And when we commit our life to a walk of faith, we are committing our complete trust in God to do with us as he sees fit to accomplish his end.
当我们将一生交托给信仰时，我们就完全相信上帝会按照他认为合适的方式来对待我们，以实现他的目的。
So from that standpoint, I have never been worried about the outcome because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the outcome is going to be the outcome that God wants.
所以从这个角度来看，我从来不担心结果，因为我毫无疑问地知道结果将是上帝想要的结果。
You're lucky to have that kind of faith.
你很幸运有这样的信念。
Well, we as Christians all should exercise this kind of faith.
那么，我们作为基督徒都应该运用这种信仰。
You quote this incredible statistic, poll number, in your article where you say that about half, 46% of all Americans, believe that the state of Israel in its existence and being held by Jewish hands is the fulfillment of prophecy.
您在文章中引用了这一令人难以置信的统计数据，即民意调查数字，您说大约一半（46%）的美国人相信以色列国的存在并由犹太人掌握，这就是预言的实现。
Right.
正确的。
It's not just fundamentalists.
这不仅仅是原教旨主义者。
I know a lot of people who would not consider themselves to be fundamentalist who are mainstream Christians who read the Bible and see these events that are happening in the Middle East and think that it's resonating with the prophecies of the Old Testament.
我认识很多不认为自己是原教旨主义者的人，他们是主流基督徒，他们阅读圣经，看到中东发生的这些事件，并认为这与旧约的预言产生共鸣。
It's an overwhelming feature of American support for Israel.
这是美国支持以色列的一个压倒性特征。
The Jewish population of the United States is not that significant.
美国的犹太人口并不多。
But the fundamentalist Christian and evangelical Christian population is substantial, and especially in Southern states, states where senators like Lott and Helms and so on have traditionally been great allies and friends of Israel.
但原教旨主义基督教和福音派基督教人口数量庞大，尤其是在南方各州，洛特和赫尔姆斯等参议员传统上是以色列的伟大盟友和朋友。
It's not because of their love of Jews in my opinion.
在我看来，这并不是因为他们对犹太人的热爱。
And millions and millions of Christians give money to support Israeli causes, Jewish causes, because they believe that this is where the end times will unfold.
数以百万计的基督徒捐款支持以色列事业、犹太事业，因为他们相信这就是末世即将展开的地方。
And they have a genuine and heartfelt belief that this should happen and that it should be a part of American policy to speed that along.
他们真诚而衷心地相信这应该发生，并且加速这一进程应该成为美国政策的一部分。
And indeed it is.
确实如此。
Mr. Lott, let me ask you-- how old are you, may I ask?
洛特先生，我问你——你多大了？
I just turned 43.
我刚满 43 岁。
Ira Glass Do you believe that you will see the Rapture and the end time in your lifetime?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 你相信你会在有生之年看到被提和末日吗？
I think so.
我想是的。
I think, as fast as events are moving.
我认为，事情进展得有多快。
And the reason I say that is because, when we began this project 10 years ago, it seemed like we began it at a very slow walk.
我之所以这么说是因为，当我们十年前开始这个项目时，我们似乎是非常缓慢地开始的。
And then it got a little faster, and it got a little faster, and it got a little faster, to the point now where we feel like we're almost running.
然后它变得更快一点，它变得更快一点，它变得更快一点，现在我们感觉我们快要跑了。
I know you have your Bible with you there in the studio.
我知道你在工作室里带着圣经。
You're talking to me from Mississippi.
你正在密西西比州跟我说话。
I'm speaking to you from our studio in Chicago.
我是在我们芝加哥的工作室里跟你们说话的。
Is there any passage of the Bible that you look to for strength as you do this work?
当你从事这项工作时，你是否会从圣经中的任何一段经文中寻求力量？
There's a number of scriptures.
有很多经文。
One of them that comes to mind now-- I'm turning there-- is found in Ezekiel, chapter 12.
现在我想到的其中一个——我正在转向那里——可以在《以西结书》第 12 章中找到。
It says, "therefore say unto them, thus saith the Lord God; there shall none of my words be prolonged anymore, but the word which I have spoken shall be done, saith the Lord God." And what that is speaking to me is that God is going to fulfill every word that he has said and that he's going to do it now.
经上说：“所以你要对他们说，主耶和华如此说；我的话不再耽延，但我所说的话都必成就，主耶和华如此说。”这对我来说是，神将实现他所说的每一句话，而且他现在就要做。
For years, there have been religious maniacs who have tried to blow up the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque.
多年来，一直有宗教狂热分子试图炸毁圆顶清真寺和阿克萨清真寺。
And just last week, there was a Jewish extremist who was expelled from Jerusalem by Israeli authorities for fear that that's what he was trying to do.
就在上周，一名犹太极端分子被以色列当局驱逐出耶路撒冷，因为担心这就是他想要做的事情。
You know, when you talk about the inevitability of this conflict over what will be done with this site, the phrase self-fulfilling prophecy is the thing that keeps coming to my mind.
你知道，当你谈到关于如何处理这个网站的冲突不可避免时，“自我实现的预言”这个词不断出现在我的脑海中。
It just seems like they have a prophecy about the end of the world and the end of time.
似乎他们有关于世界末日和时间终结的预言。
And because they have it, they're putting all of the elements into place so they can have this huge argument over this religious site that could turn violent so simply and quickly.
因为他们拥有它，所以他们正在将所有元素都放在适当的位置，以便他们可以就这个宗教场所进行激烈的争论，而这可能会如此简单而迅速地变成暴力。
Well, and they welcome that because that's prophetic.
嗯，他们对此表示欢迎，因为这是有预言性的。
That's a fulfillment of the prophecy.
这就是预言的应验。
So it brings on the apocalypse.
所以它带来了世界末日。
That's exactly what they expect.
这正是他们所期望的。
And moreover, from the Christian point of view, they're going to be raptured and out of here before that actually happens, so they've got nothing to lose.
而且，从基督徒的角度来看，他们会在这件事真正发生之前被提并离开这里，所以他们没有什么可失去的。
Lawrence Wright of The New Yorker and cattleman Clyde Lott.
《纽约客》的劳伦斯·赖特和牧牛人克莱德·洛特。
That interview was first broadcast in April of 1999.
该采访于 1999 年 4 月首次播出。
We have tried repeatedly to reach Clyde Lott and his organization to check on whether they have successfully flown cows to Israel or bred a red heifer there by now but didn't get a call back by the time of today's broadcast.
我们曾多次尝试联系克莱德·洛特和他的组织，询问他们是否已成功将奶牛空运到以色列或在那里培育出红色小母牛，但截至今天播出时尚未收到回电。
[MUSIC - "THE LAST ROUND-UP" BY SONS OF THE PIONEERS]
[音乐 - 拓荒者之子的“最后一轮围捕”]
Act Two, The Cost of Misunderstanding.
第二幕，误解的代价。
This is a true story of a group of Christians who devoted themselves to studying the Bible's prophecies about the end of the world, and about Jesus' return, a story about people who tried to live in a way that matched what it seemed the Bible was saying, and about how US government officials did not understand what the group was doing and killed 74 of them, including 21 children, when they raided their compound, the compound of the Branch Davidians, followers of David Koresh, on April 19, 1993 in Waco, Texas.
这是一个关于一群基督徒的真实故事，他们致力于研究圣经中有关世界末日和耶稣再来的预言，一个关于人们试图以符合圣经所说的方式生活的故事，以及关于美国政府官员如何不理解该组织的所作所为，并在 4 月 19 日袭击了他们的大院，即大卫教派的大院，大卫·科雷什的追随者，杀害了其中的 74 名基督徒，其中包括 21 名儿童。 1993 年在德克萨斯州韦科。
James Tabor is a religion professor at the University of North Carolina in Charlotte who not only followed the intricacies of what the group's leader David Koresh was saying about the Bible and its prophecies, in Koresh's final days, when he wanted to release a statement to the world explaining what he saw as the exciting news from his reading of scripture, Tabor was one of the two religious experts that Koresh wanted to give the manuscript to.
詹姆斯·塔博尔（James Tabor）是夏洛特市北卡罗来纳大学的宗教学教授，他不仅关注该组织领导人大卫·科雷什（David Koresh）关于《圣经》及其预言的复杂性，在科雷什生命的最后几天，当他想向世界发布一份声明，解释他从阅读圣经中看到的令人兴奋的消息时，塔博尔是科雷什想要将手稿交给的两名宗教专家之一。
Tabor sees the government's actions at the time as a tragedy of misunderstanding.
塔博尔认为政府当时的行为是一场误解造成的悲剧。
FBI agents thought Koresh never discussed issues of substance with them because he was always talking to them about the Bible during negotiations.
联邦调查局探员认为科雷什从未与他们讨论过实质性问题，因为他在谈判期间总是与他们谈论圣经。
While from Koresh's view, talking about what the Bible required was explaining his position on all the relevant issues.
而在考雷什看来，谈论圣经的要求就是解释他在所有相关问题上的立场。
By rolling in tanks and helicopters, Tabor says, the government unwittingly convinced David Koresh and his followers that perhaps the Bible wanted them to die in a bloody showdown in Waco, something they hadn't believed beforehand.
塔博尔说，通过出动坦克和直升机，政府无意中让大卫·科雷什和他的追随者相信，也许《圣经》希望他们死在韦科的一场血腥对决中，但他们之前并不相信这一点。
I think the misunderstanding of the biblical apocalyptic language of David Koresh and his followers was at the heart, really, of the whole tragedy at Waco.
我认为大卫·科雷什及其追随者对圣经启示录语言的误解实际上是韦科整个悲剧的核心。
In other words, I don't think it needed to have ended that way.
换句话说，我认为事情不必以这种方式结束。
One of the things that you write is that the government demanded that they surrender to proper authority and that when the Davidians heard that, they heard something very different than what was meant.
你写的一件事是，政府要求他们向适当的权威投降，而当大卫教徒听到这一点时，他们听到的内容与原意非常不同。
What did the Davidians hear when they heard that?
当大卫教徒听到这句话时，他们听到了什么？
Yes.
是的。
In fact, on the last day, as the tanks were inserting the tear gas all morning into the building, on a loudspeaker, there was a recording played over and over and over-- this is not an attack.
事实上，在最后一天，当坦克整个早上都在向建筑物内注入催泪瓦斯时，扩音器上一遍又一遍地播放着一段录音——这不是攻击。
We want you to come out.
我们希望你出来。
Come out with your hands up.
出来吧，举起双手。
Come out unarmed.
赤手空拳出来。
Surrender to proper authority.
屈服于适当的权威。
That was the last public word spoken to the Davidians before the fire.
这是火灾发生前对大卫教徒说的最后一句话。
From the Davidian point of view, it simply meant never, never could we come out under those sorts of circumstances, because obviously they believe that the only authority was God, and then David as their leader and anointed prophet.
从大卫教的角度来看，这只是意味着我们永远、永远不能在这种情况下走出来，因为显然他们相信唯一的权威是上帝，然后大卫是他们的领袖和受膏先知。
So it was just a complete crossing of wires, as we say, in terms of communication.
因此，正如我们所说，在沟通方面，这只是完全的交叉。
Even one of the things that was usually cited as being one of the most inflammatory things to the public about the existence of his group, the fact that he had children from so many different women.
甚至通常被认为是公众对他的团体的存在最具煽动性的事情之一，就是他有这么多不同女人的孩子这一事实。
Even that, there was a scriptural reason for.
即便如此，也是有圣经原因的。
Yes.
是的。
It's something a little difficult to justify, I think, in terms of our culture.
我认为，就我们的文化而言，这有点难以证明其合理性。
But David did believe that he was the last and final and true prophet that God has sent to the world.
但大卫确实相信他是上帝派到世界上的最后一位、最后一位、真正的先知。
And this final figure is obligated to have the seven wives, which he had, and to raise up 24 children.
最后这个数字有义务拥有他所拥有的七个妻子，并抚养 24 个孩子。
Now, as bizarre as that sounds, it's based upon text from the Psalms that speak about the anointed one coming, and that he will beget children, and it mentions his wives.
现在，尽管这听起来很奇怪，但它是基于诗篇中的文字，其中谈到受膏者的到来，他将生孩子，并且提到了他的妻子。
By explaining it, I certainly don't intend to endorse it.
通过解释它，我当然无意赞同它。
But the point I would make is, if you're going to deal with the group, instead of calling him a polygamist, child-molesting, sex maniac, to understand how they would have understood all of these women and their understanding of things.
但我想说的是，如果你要与这个群体打交道，而不是称他为一夫多妻制、猥亵儿童、性狂，而是要了解他们会如何理解所有这些女性以及他们对事物的理解。
[MUSIC - "THE CITY SLEEPS" BY MC 900 FT JESUS]
[音乐 - MC 900 FT JESUS 的《城市沉睡》]
James Tabor is the author with Eugene Gallagher of the book Why Waco?
詹姆斯·泰伯 (James Tabor) 与尤金·加拉格尔 (Eugene Gallagher) 合着了《为什么是韦科？》一书。
Cults and the Battle for Religious Freedom in America.
美国的邪教和宗教自由之战。
Coming up, make friends, have peace of mind, solve the problems of 20th-century Socialism, all because of the end of the world.
来吧，交朋友，安心，解决20世纪社会主义的问题，都是因为世界末日。
That's in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life .
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's show, the end of the world.
今天的节目，世界末日。
Today's program was first broadcast in 1999.
今天的节目于1999年首播。
In the first half of our show, we heard about things that we should worry about when it comes to the apocalypse.
在节目的前半部分，我们听到了关于世界末日时我们应该担心的事情。
In this half-- I know it sounds strange to say-- this half of the show is all about how the end of the world can be a good thing, how it can be a good thing in the lives of people who think about it all the time.
在这一半中——我知道这样说听起来很奇怪——节目的这一半都是关于世界末日如何成为一件好事，如何在那些一直思考它的人们的生活中成为一件好事。
We've arrived at act three of our show.
我们已经到了演出的第三幕了。
Act Three, Again.
第三幕，再次。
We have this story from our contributing editor Sarah Vowell.
我们从特约编辑莎拉·沃威尔那里得到了这个故事。
Whenever I hear people talking about the end of the world, I think, the apocalypse again?
每当我听到人们谈论世界末日，我就想，世界末日又来了吗？
I would go so far as to say that the end of the world, an event which has not happened, is the most important event of my life.
我什至可以说，世界末日这一尚未发生的事件是我一生中最重要的事件。
I've been there not once, not twice, but three times.
我去过那里不是一次，不是两次，而是三次。
Here's what I can report.
这是我可以报告的内容。
While the actual end of the world will, of course, involve a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth, thinking about the end of the world can be kind of uplifting.
虽然真正的世界末日当然会涉及很多哀号和咬牙切齿的事情，但思考世界末日可能会令人振奋。
Apocalypse one, 1970s.
《启示录一》，20 世纪 70 年代。
I've had this recurring dream since I was six years old.
从我六岁起，我就经常做这个梦。
My mother's gone.
我妈妈走了。
She is not running errands gone, not at a friend's house gone.
她不是跑腿去了，也不是在朋友家去了。
She's gone for good.
她永远走了。
Vanished.
消失了。
My sister's still here.
我姐姐还在这里。
My dad's around.
我爸爸就在附近。
In fact, all the kids and dads in town are present and accounted for, but all the mothers have vanished overnight.
事实上，镇上所有的孩子和爸爸都在场并被找到，但所有的母亲都在一夜之间消失了。
That's how I figure out the Rapture has happened.
这就是我发现被提发生的方式。
Only the women are worthy enough of God's grace to get whisked off to Heaven.
只有女性才配得上上帝的恩典，迅速进入天堂。
The wicked men and wicked children are left to tough out Armageddon on our own.
邪恶的人和邪恶的孩子们只能靠我们自己来应对世界末日。
That means my sister and I will have to suffer through the lake of fire, the rivers of blood, and our father's cooking.
这意味着我和妹妹将不得不经历火湖、血河和父亲的烹饪。
And yet, I am calm.
然而，我很平静。
I have my loophole, my get out of tribulation free card, which I learned about in church.
我有我的漏洞，我的脱离苦难卡，这是我在教堂学到的。
I go to the supermarket, Gibson's in Muskogee, and fill a cart with food.
我去了马斯科吉的吉布森超市，在购物车里装满了食物。
At the checkout counter, I line up vegetables by the cash register.
在收银台，我在收银台旁边排队蔬菜。
The clerk informs me that in order to pay for the food, I must take the mark of the beast.
店员告诉我，为了支付食物费用，我必须获得野兽的印记。
I refuse.
我拒绝。
Soldiers with machine guns appear.
拿着机枪的士兵出现了。
They gun me down, my blood spattering all over the salad fixins.
他们枪杀了我，我的血溅满了沙拉固定件。
Then poof, I'm in Heaven, dead, harp in hand.
然后噗的一声，我就到了天堂，死了，手里拿着竖琴。
I still have that dream sometimes.
有时我仍然会做这样的梦。
And thinking about it now as an atheistic adult, I realize how many things are going on in it, that it is a microcosm of my childhood world.
现在作为一个无神论的成年人来思考它，我意识到其中发生了多少事情，它是我童年世界的缩影。
At my church, Braggs Pentecostal Holiness in Braggs, Oklahoma, the sermons were about the Book of Revelation when I was in first grade, the year I learned to read.
在我位于俄克拉荷马州布拉格市的布拉格五旬节神圣教堂，当我上一年级时，也就是我学会阅读的那一年，布道的主题是《启示录》。
So it was the first book of the Bible I ever read myself, not to mention one of the first books I ever read period.
所以这是我自己读过的第一本书，更不用说我读过的第一本书了。
The loophole about not accepting the mark of the beast comes from scripture, as does the grocery store setting.
关于不接受野兽印记的漏洞来自圣经，杂货店的设置也是如此。
According to Revelation 13:17-- "and that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark or the name of the beast of the number of his name." And that number, of course, revealed in verse 18 is "six hundred three score and six." 666.
根据启示录 13 章 17 节——“除了那有这兽名的记号或名字的人以外，没有人可以买卖。”当然，第十八节所启示的数字是“六百三零六”。 666.
The other reason I refuse the mark in the grocery store is tied up in the fundamentalist uproar over bar codes in the 1970s.
我拒绝在杂货店使用该标记的另一个原因与 20 世纪 70 年代原教旨主义对条形码的骚动有关。
Bar codes were thought by many to be the mark of the beast.
许多人认为条形码是野兽的标记。
Armageddon is kind of a lot to lay on a kid.
世界末日对一个孩子来说有点沉重。
The Book of Revelation is verse after verse of dragons and demons and the blood of the lamb.
《启示录》中充满了龙、恶魔和羔羊的血的经文。
A typical passage-- "and the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun and the power was given unto him to scorch men with fire." Mom, can I have another cookie?
一个典型的段落——“第四位天使把他的瓶子倒在太阳上，他就被赋予了用火烧人的能力。”妈妈，我可以再吃一块饼干吗？
Frankly, I could have done with more seven dwarfs and less seven seals.
坦白说，我本来可以多用七个小矮人，少用七个海豹。
But living in eastern Oklahoma, believing in the apocalypse made a lot of sense.
但生活在俄克拉荷马州东部，相信世界末日是很有意义的。
I could buy the gaudy deaths and grisly details set forth in Revelation because Oklahoma itself was a biblical landscape.
我可以接受《启示录》中所描述的华而不实的死亡和可怕的细节，因为俄克拉荷马州本身就是圣经中的风景。
It seemed like half the year we were on tornado watch, and the place was literally crawling with snakes, snakes in my tree house, snakes on the porch, snakes in the yard.
看起来我们有半年时间都在监视龙卷风，这个地方实际上爬满了蛇，我的树屋里有蛇，门廊上有蛇，院子里有蛇。
Because I was a baptized when I was eight in a water moccasin infested lake.
因为我八岁时在一个水鹿皮出没的湖里接受了洗礼。
And as if I wasn't petrified enough, fangs and drowning being two my bigger fears, Sister Minnie's drunken husband drove up in his pickup right after I came up for air, and he started scream-singing, "shall we gather at the river?"
就好像我还没有吓呆一样，尖牙和溺水是我最害怕的两个，我刚浮出水面呼吸空气，米妮修女喝醉了的丈夫就开着他的皮卡车过来了，他开始尖叫着唱着：“我们要到河边集合吗？”
Because our cousin Gary John's wife got shot dead in the head with Gary's own gun by Gary's sister's husband who was joking around and didn't know the gun was loaded.
因为我们表弟加里·约翰的妻子被加里姐姐的丈夫用加里自己的枪射杀了头部，而加里的姐姐的丈夫正在开玩笑，不知道枪已经上膛。
Ha-ha.
哈哈。
Because the leader of my Brownie troop with smashed into a million pieces trying to cross the train tracks.
因为我的布朗尼部队的领导者在试图穿过铁轨时被撞成了一百万块碎片。
Because my grandfather Pa Vowell buried another wife every few years.
因为我的祖父帕·沃威尔每隔几年就会埋葬另一位妻子。
Because my other grandfather Pa Parson was a Cherokee wart doctor who could tie a string around a wart and bury the string in the ground and that made the wart go away.
因为我的另一位祖父帕·帕森是一名切罗基疣医生，他可以在疣上系一根绳子，然后将绳子埋在地里，这样疣就消失了。
Because my grandmother Ma Parson lost her mind one day and couldn't remember my name, though she could remember all the words to "Bringing in the Sheaves." And today we call this Alzheimer's, but back then we called it "God's will." Because on Wednesday nights, my mother would drive this ancient witchy widow to church, a lady who believed haircuts for women were a sin, which did stop her from trimming that mangy white rope dangling off her scalp around 1923, but did not stop her from scamming rides off my mom, a hairdresser.
因为有一天，我的祖母帕森妈妈失去了理智，记不起我的名字，尽管她记得“把禾捆带进来”的所有单词。今天我们称之为阿尔茨海默氏症，但当时我们称之为“上帝的意志”。因为周三晚上，我母亲会开车送这位古老的巫婆寡妇去教堂，这位女士认为女性理发是一种罪过，这确实阻止了她在 1923 年左右修剪头皮上垂下的那条肮脏的白绳，但并没有阻止她从我的理发师妈妈那里骗车。
So in such a superstitious town among such accident-prone citizens, Revelation seemed more like gossip than a ghost story.
因此，在这样一个迷信的小镇，周围都是事故频发的居民，《启示录》看起来更像是八卦而不是鬼故事。
In fact, considering all the random wrath of God around me, Armageddon appeared refreshingly well thought out.
事实上，考虑到上帝在我周围的所有随机愤怒，世界末日似乎经过深思熟虑，令人耳目一新。
So well thought out that it included that escape clause.
经过深思熟虑，它包含了免责条款。
I was a believer.
我是一个信徒。
But there was something stronger than my belief in God.
但有一些东西比我对上帝的信仰更强大。
The thing the preacher said that I believed more than anything else I heard at church was that I was a sinner.
牧师说我最相信的一句话是我是一个罪人，这比我在教堂听到的任何事情都重要。
When I sang "Amazing Grace," the key phrase wasn't the title's promise of redemption but this-- "wretch like me." Even as a six-year-old, I knew I'd never be good enough to get into Heaven.
当我唱《奇异恩典》时，关键词不是标题中的救赎承诺，而是——“像我这样的可怜虫”。即使在六岁的时候，我就知道我永远都不足以进入天堂。
So I seized on the escape clause, the idea that I could refuse the mark of the beast at a grocery store and everything would be all right.
所以我抓住了逃避条款，这个想法是我可以在杂货店拒绝野兽的印记，一切都会好起来的。
I knew I was evil.
我知道我是邪恶的。
I knew I couldn't get through a lifetime adhering to daily virtue.
我知道我不可能靠日复一日的德行度过一生。
But I was pretty sure I had the guts to stand two or three seconds of machine gun pain when the time came.
但我很确定，当时机到来时，我有勇气承受两三秒的机枪枪痛。
And this comforted me.
这让我感到安慰。
It kept me from panicking about the eternal consequences of every childish trespass.
它让我不再对每一次幼稚的侵犯所带来的永恒后果感到惊慌。
And so, even though it's the scariest book, Revelation did more to ease my mind than any other book of the Bible.
因此，尽管《启示录》是最可怕的书，但它比圣经中的任何其他书都更能让我放松心情。
Apocalypse two, 1980s.
《启示录二》，20 世纪 80 年代。
I'm not exactly proud to admit this, but I owe my life to Ronald Reagan.
我并不自豪地承认这一点，但我把我的生命归功于罗纳德·里根。
My family moved from Oklahoma to the pleasant college town of Bozeman, Montana in 1981, the year Reagan was inaugurated.
1981 年，也就是里根就职的那一年，我的家人从俄克拉荷马州搬到了蒙大拿州博兹曼宜人的大学城。
I was 11.
我当时11岁。
Away from the Bible Belt, my family was forced to attend a nondenominational church about which my mother said, "too much teachin', not enough preachin'." Religion became an increasingly less urgent part of my life.
在远离圣经带的地方，我的家人被迫去一个非宗派的教堂，我母亲说，“教导太多，讲道不够”。宗教在我的生活中变得越来越不那么紧迫。
This did not mean that the end of the world faded from the forefront of my psyche.
这并不意味着世界末日从我的心灵中消失了。
I merely replaced one apocalypse for another.
我只是用一种启示代替了另一种启示而已。
In the early '80s, President Reagan made so many mortifying announcements about the evil empire and his strategic defense initiative, AKA Star Wars, and "we begin bombing in five minutes," that I was utterly convinced I wasn't going to get to grow up.
八十年代初期，里根总统就邪恶帝国及其战略防御计划（又名星球大战）发表了许多令人羞愧的声明，以及“我们在五分钟内开始轰炸”，以至于我完全相信自己不会长大。
What with waking up every morning surprised there was still a world to wake up to, I was not a particularly fun-loving high school student.
每天早上醒来都会惊讶地发现还有一个世界需要醒来，我并不是一个特别喜欢玩乐的高中生。
By junior year, 1986-- Chernobyl-- my free time was filled up with doing my homework and writing orchestra music derivative of my then-hero Philip Glass, repetitive music predicated on the notion that time perhaps is going nowhere.
到了大三，1986年——切尔诺贝利——我的空闲时间都被做作业和创作我当时的英雄菲利普·格拉斯的管弦乐衍生作品所占据，这些重复的音乐基于这样一种观念：时间也许不会流逝。
But then my twin sister Amy, who had friends and fun and, unlike me, was an actual human being, told me that some kids she knew from art class were starting an anti-nuclear group.
但后来我的双胞胎姐姐艾米（Amy）告诉我，她在艺术课上认识的一些孩子正在组建一个反核团体，她有朋友，很有趣，而且与我不同，她是一个真实的人。
I was immediately excited, impressed.
我顿时兴奋不已，印象深刻。
I only knew the kids who, like me, took band.
我只认识那些像我一样参加乐队的孩子。
I thought the art class kids who showed up for the first meeting of what would become Youth for Global Peace were the most glamorous people I'd ever met.
我认为参加“青年全球和平”第一次会议的艺术班孩子是我见过的最有魅力的人。
They played in rock and roll bands and wrote poetry and didn't eat meat.
他们在摇滚乐队中演奏，写诗，但不吃肉。
They had spiky hair and smoked cigarettes and debated whether or not William Burroughs' Junkie was better than his Naked Lunch.
他们留着尖尖的头发，抽烟，并争论威廉·巴勒斯的《瘾君子》是否比他的《裸体午餐》更好。
Yeah, yeah.
是啊是啊。
We talked about nukes.
我们谈论了核武器。
We were against them.
我们反对他们。
We'd meet every Saturday night at Greta Montaine's house.
我们每周六晚上都会在格蕾塔·蒙丹家见面。
We handed out pie graphs of Reagan's 1986 federal budget, in which defense spending was the biggest slice of pie, at grocery store parking lots.
我们在杂货店停车场分发了里根 1986 年联邦预算的饼图，其中国防支出是最大的一块。
We got up really early one morning and plastered the school walls with xeroxed posters of a mushroom cloud on which we had scribbled, "this could happen to you."
一天早上，我们起得很早，在学校的墙上贴满了复印的蘑菇云海报，我们在上面潦草地写着：“这可能会发生在你身上。”
My biggest moment was probably representing the group on a round table discussion on the local public television channel.
我最重要的时刻可能是代表该小组参加当地公共电视频道的圆桌讨论。
The adults said a few mundane things about a saner nuclear policy before I started screaming, "you got to grow up!
在我开始尖叫之前，大人们说了一些关于更理智的核政策的世俗之事，“你必须长大！
Do you know what it's like to think you're not going to grow up?
你知道认为自己不会长大是什么感觉吗？
Do you?"
你是吗？”
In retrospect, the anti-nuclear part of the anti-nuclear group was the least important thing about it.
回想起来，反核团体中的反核部分是最不重要的。
I had had friends before them, but I had never had a gang, never had a group of people I liked and admired and enjoyed.
在他们之前我也有过朋友，但我从来没有一个帮派，从来没有一群我喜欢、钦佩和享受的人。
The anti-nuke group taught me a lesson which changed my life-- how to hang out.
反核团体给我上了一课，改变了我的生活——如何出去玩。
And the first time Matt Brewer, the coolest boy, invited me over to his house, and I got there, and he and Jimmy Harkin were sitting around listening to Black Sabbath and spray-painting Legos black, I sort of hugged myself, contrary to conventional leftist wisdom, with nuclear arms.
最酷的男孩马特·布鲁尔（Matt Brewer）第一次邀请我去他家，我到了那里，他和吉米·哈金（Jimmy Harkin）坐在一起听《黑色安息日》（Black Sabbath），并将乐高积木喷成黑色，我有点拥抱自己，与传统的左翼智慧相反，拥有核武器。
I didn't know life could be that fun.
我不知道生活可以这么有趣。
Apocalypse three, 1990s.
《启示录三》，20 世纪 90 年代。
Berlin Wall falls.
柏林墙倒塌。
Cold War ends.
冷战结束。
I start believing I might live long enough to die of something other than a first-strike Soviet attack or refusing the mark of the beast.
我开始相信我可能会活得足够长，不会死于苏联的第一次袭击或拒绝野兽印记之外的其他原因。
Goodbye darkness, my old friend.
再见黑暗，我的老朋友。
Ah, the good old days.
啊，过去的美好时光。
When I was a kid, the end of the world really was something, nuclear holocaust, the Rapture.
当我还是个孩子的时候，世界末日确实是某种东西，核浩劫，狂喜。
But they don't make apocalypses like they used to.
但他们不再像以前那样制造末日了。
Just look at the cheap little cataclysm they're trying to pass off to unsuspecting future-phobes lately.
只要看看他们最近试图向毫无戒心的未来恐惧症者传递的廉价小灾难就知道了。
These kids today and their Y2K.
今天的这些孩子和他们的千年虫。
Do they know what it's like to think they're not going to grow up?
他们知道认为自己不会长大是什么感觉吗？
Do they?
他们有吗？
To find out, I traveled to San Francisco.
为了找到答案，我去了旧金山。
I heard about a community group there which was organizing for the possible Y2K aftermath.
我听说那里有一个社区团体正在为可能的千年虫后果进行组织。
The good people of BAY2K were not the young, Silicon Valley computer programmers I'd hoped for.
BAY2K 的好人并不是我所希望的年轻的硅谷计算机程序员。
Instead, the group felt very ex-hippie, very new age, very Marin.
相反，这个团体感觉非常前嬉皮士，非常新时代，非常马林。
One part of the evening ended with a women reciting a Hopi prayer.
当晚的一部分以一位妇女背诵霍皮祈祷词结束。
They broke down into small groups to address specific problems, from pragmatic topics like community preparedness to the less tangible psychological and spiritual issues.
他们分成小组来解决具体问题，从社区准备等务实主题到不太明显的心理和精神问题。
They admit it could be that, come January 1, nothing will happen.
他们承认，到 1 月 1 日，可能什么都不会发生。
This is how Y2K differs from previous apocalypses.
这就是千年虫与之前的世界末日的不同之处。
The old ones, we knew exactly what would happen, we just didn't know the date.
老人们，我们确切地知道会发生什么，只是不知道日期。
Y2K, we know the date.
Y2K，我们知道日期。
It's what'll happen that's up in the air.
这就是即将发生的事情。
One woman says that if nothing happens on January 1, well, at least she had a good excuse to meet her neighbors and have a really good dialogue.
一位女士说，如果 1 月 1 日没有发生任何事情，那么，至少她有一个很好的借口去见她的邻居并进行一次真正良好的对话。
Which in a certain sense seemed to be the point.
从某种意义上说，这似乎就是重点。
Just like my old church and my old anti-nuke group, they're using the end of the world as a means to meet and greet, planning block parties so they can come up with Y2K contingency plans in their neighborhoods.
就像我的老教堂和我的老反核武器组织一样，他们利用世界末日作为见面和问候的方式，策划街区聚会，以便他们可以在他们的社区制定千年虫应急计划。
They were also very idealistic.
他们也非常理想主义。
This is the thing you might not realize about end of the worlders.
关于世界末日，你可能没有意识到这一点。
They might seem like they're all about fetishizing doom and destruction, but stick around long enough for them to finish their spiel-- few people do, I know-- and before long, they get to a straight-up Utopian vision of the world.
他们看起来似乎都迷恋厄运和毁灭，但他们坚持了足够长的时间来完成他们的长篇大论——我知道很少有人这样做——不久之后，他们就对世界有了一个直接的乌托邦愿景。
After all, after the biblical tribulation comes the new Jerusalem and 1,000 years of peace on Earth.
毕竟，圣经中的大灾难之后，新耶路撒冷来临了，地球上也迎来了 1000 年的和平。
The BAY2K activists said they saw the possible societal shut down as an opportunity for community building.
BAY2K 活动人士表示，他们认为可能的社会关闭是社区建设的机会。
They talked about how American culture is unsustainable, out of control, optimistically opining that we brought this all on ourselves.
他们谈论美国文化是如何不可持续、失控的，乐观地认为这一切都是我们自己造成的。
They're looking forward to a saner, more agrarian way of life.
他们期待一种更理智、更农业的生活方式。
One of the men said neighborhoods should get together and buy a tiller to start community gardens.
其中一名男子表示，社区应该联合起来购买一台耕耘机来开办社区花园。
To them, Y2K looks a lot like Y1K.
对他们来说，千年虫看起来很像千年虫。
I grew increasingly alarmed at the picture they were painting, a golden picture of neighbor with neighbor throwing off the shackles of Capitalism to till the soil at one with the Earth.
我对他们所画的图画越来越感到震惊，这是一幅邻居与邻居摆脱资本主义束缚、耕种与地球一体的金色图画。
A woman named Leslie said she'd like to help out but, "I'm physically challenged so I can't even offer my strength.
一位名叫莱斯利的女士表示，她很想帮忙，但“我身体有问题，所以我什至无法提供我的力量。
I can't garden.
我不会园艺。
I'd like to, but I can't." [?
我愿意，但我不能。” [？
Nityama, ?] the man sitting next to her, tells her that she could contribute in other ways, like canning.
Nityama，？] 坐在她旁边的男人告诉她，她可以通过其他方式做出贡献，比如罐头。
He says, "even the know-how of doing it is just as valuable as the manpower or the strength to do it."
他说，“即使是做这件事的专业知识也和做这件事的人力或力量一样有价值。”
Aw, each giving according to his abilities, each taking according to his needs.
唉，各尽所能，各取所需。
I'm not sure which thing I react to more, this brand of shiny, happy Marxism all expressed as if the history of the 20th century never happened or the talk about canning.
我不知道我对哪件事反应更强烈，这种闪闪发光、快乐的马克思主义都表达得好像20世纪的历史从未发生过，还是关于罐头的谈论。
Just picturing Mason jars full of stewed tomatoes, a bomb goes off inside me.
只要想象一下梅森罐子里装满了炖西红柿，一颗炸弹就在我心里爆炸了。
I suddenly realize what they're proposing.
我突然意识到他们的提议是什么。
Canning, gardening, spending time with your neighbors.
罐头制作、园艺、与邻居共度时光。
This is Oklahoma minus God, the one thing that gave it all some dignity.
这是没有上帝的俄克拉荷马州，这是赋予这一切尊严的一件事。
They're welcome to their millennial vision, to whatever gives them hope.
他们欢迎他们的千禧年愿景，欢迎任何给他们带来希望的东西。
I too have imagined a Heaven on Earth, a new Jerusalem that comforts me in times of tribulation.
我也想象过一个人间天堂，一个在苦难时期安慰我的新耶路撒冷。
Behold my Revelation, I stand at the door in the morning and lo, there is a newspaper in sight like unto an emerald.
看我的启示，早上我站在门口，瞧，眼前有一张报纸，就像一颗翡翠一样。
And holy, holy, holy is the coffee, which was and is and is to come.
咖啡是神圣的，神圣的，神圣的，过去是、现在是、将来也是。
And hark, I hear the voice of an angel round about the radio saying, "since my baby left me I found a new place to dwell."
听着，我听到收音机周围有天使的声音说：“自从我的孩子离开我后，我找到了一个新的住处。”
After this, I beheld, and lo, a great multitude which no man could number of shoes.
此后，我看到了一大群人，没有人能数清鞋子的数量。
And after these things, I will hasten unto a taxicab and to a theater, where a ticket will be given unto me.
这些事情之后，我会赶去出租车和剧院，在那里我会得到一张票。
And lo, it is a matinee and a film that doeth great wonders.
看哪，这是一部创造了伟大奇迹的日场和电影。
And when it is finished, the heavens will open and out cometh a rain fragrant as myrrh.
当一切完成时，天会裂开，降下一场像没药一样芬芳的雨。
And yea, I have an umbrella.
是的，我有一把雨伞。
Sarah Vowell is the author of Take the Cannoli: Stories from the New World , where a version of this story now appears.
莎拉·沃威尔 (Sarah Vowell) 是《拿下奶油甜馅煎饼卷：来自新世界的故事》一书的作者，该故事现在出现了一个版本。
[MUSIC - "MODERN WORLD" BY THE MODERN LOVERS]
[音乐-现代恋人的“现代世界”]
Act Four, None Shall Know the Exact Day or Hour.
第四幕，无人知晓确切的日期或时间。
The logical conclusion to believing that the end of the world is coming, to thinking about it, to preparing for it, is finally trying to compute when exactly it will happen in advance.
相信世界末日即将到来、思考世界末日、为世界末日做好准备的逻辑结论是，最终试图提前计算出世界末日到底何时发生。
We are a nation where many Christians have tried to do exactly that throughout our history.
在我们这个国家，纵观历史，许多基督徒都在努力做到这一点。
Somebody who's trying today is Bonnie Gaunt.
今天尝试的人是邦妮·冈特。
She lives in Jackson, Michigan.
她住在密歇根州杰克逊。
Some of her calculations are based on the fact that every Hebrew letter corresponds to a number.
她的一些计算基于每个希伯来字母对应一个数字的事实。
So the Hebrew text of the Bible is filled with numbers that provide clues to the date of the Rapture and the end time.
因此，圣经的希伯来文本充满了数字，为被提日期和结束时间提供了线索。
She's written nine books about this.
她就此写了九本书。
Bonnie Gaunt also points to scripture that indicates that the millennium will come on the sixth biblical day.
邦妮·冈特还指出，圣经表明千禧年将在圣经的第六天到来。
Each biblical day, she says, is 1,000 years.
她说，圣经中的每一天都是一千年。
And you start counting from the creation of Adam.
从创造亚当开始算起。
Counting all the events in the Bible and since, she believes that she has discovered the exact day that good Christians will be raptured directly to Heaven and that the end time will begin.
计算圣经中以及此后发生的所有事件，她相信她已经发现了好基督徒将被直接提到天堂的确切日期，并且末日即将开始。
I spoke with her back in April of 1999.
1999 年 4 月我曾与她交谈过。
And at that time, her calculations indicated that the exact date of the Rapture would be--
而当时，她的计算显示，被提的确切日期是——
September 11, 1999.
1999 年 9 月 11 日。
Ira Glass And has it affected your behavior in daily life?
Ira Glass 它对您的日常生活行为有影响吗？
Yes, that's very true.
是的，确实如此。
Such as our house is in desperate need of siding, new siding on it.
例如我们的房子迫切需要壁板，新的壁板。
And my husband says, well, when spring comes, let's put siding on the house.
我丈夫说，好吧，当春天来临时，我们在房子上安装壁板吧。
And I says, well, let's wait until after September 11 to put siding on the house.
我说，好吧，我们等到 9 月 11 日之后再给房子安装壁板吧。
If we're not raptured, then maybe the house needs siding.
如果我们没有被提，那么也许房子需要壁板。
And there are things like when I get catalogs in the mail for clothes and shoes and this kind of stuff, and I look through the catalogs, and I toss the catalog down, I says, what am I looking in this for?
有些事情就像当我在邮件中收到衣服和鞋子之类的目录时，我浏览目录，然后把目录扔掉，我说，我在这个里找什么？
What do I need new clothes for?
我需要新衣服做什么？
I don't need any new clothes between now and the Rapture.
从现在到狂欢节期间我不需要任何新衣服。
I don't need any new shoes.
我不需要任何新鞋。
I can wear what I've got.
我可以穿我有的东西。
You know, I would think it could also go the other way.
你知道，我认为也可能有相反的情况。
You would think, OK, well, after September, I'm going to be gone.
你可能会想，好吧，九月之后我就会离开。
So I can have the extra dessert.
这样我就可以吃额外的甜点了。
Do you know what I mean?
你知道我的意思吗？
I hadn't even thought of that.
我什至没有想到这一点。
I had thought strictly in the other concept that I don't need these things because I'm going to be given something so much better.
我严格按照另一个概念思考，我不需要这些东西，因为我会得到更好的东西。
I guess what I'm attempting to do is prepare for it, but also still prepare to keep on living in case my date is wrong, in case the date that I have is not correct.
我想我正在尝试做的是为此做好准备，但也要准备好继续生活，以防我的日期错误，以防我的日期不正确。
I have told my sons, prepared both of my sons for the possibility that their father and mother might disappear.
我已经告诉我的儿子们，让我的两个儿子做好准备，应对他们的父亲和母亲可能失踪的可能性。
And what were these conversations like with your sons?
和你儿子们的谈话是什么样的？
I would imagine that, if they're not believers in the same way that you are, that could be kind of a hard conversation to have.
我想，如果他们不像你一样有信仰，那可能会是一场艰难的对话。
Well, they were very kind and polite to me.
嗯，他们对我非常友善和礼貌。
What they were really feeling inside was not revealed on the outside.
他们内心真正的感受并没有表现在外面。
The 38-year-old, when I was telling him all this, and he just sat there with this big grin on his face and this sparkle in his eye.
这位 38 岁的人，当我告诉他这一切时，他只是坐在那儿，脸上挂着灿烂的笑容，眼睛里闪烁着光芒。
And I couldn't tell whether he was happy for me because I had such a beautiful hope or whether he was secretly laughing at me.
而我也分不清他到底是因为我有如此美好的希望而为我高兴，还是他在暗自嘲笑我。
I don't know.
我不知道。
How much of your time, how much of your thinking does it consume?
它消耗了你多少时间、多少思考？
I can think of little else.
我想不出别的了。
I go out for a walk and I talk with God and I'm just so anxious to see Him and to be in His realm.
我出去散步，与上帝交谈，我非常渴望见到他并进入他的领域。
It's just such a beautiful, living hope for me that that hope is with me all day long.
对我来说，这真是一个美丽而鲜活的希望，这个希望整天伴随着我。
I lie in bed at night and think about it.
晚上我躺在床上思考这件事。
And it's a beautiful hope.
这是一个美好的希望。
It's difficult because people have been predicting the return of the Lord for centuries.
这很困难，因为几个世纪以来人们一直在预言主的再来。
And even the early church, the early church thought he was going to return in their day.
即使是早期教会，早期教会也认为他会在他们的时代回来。
So I have people telling me, well, why do you think your date's any different than anybody else's date?
有人告诉我，为什么你认为你的约会对象与其他人的约会对象不同？
None of them have ever come true.
它们都没有实现过。
So how do you know yours is going to come true?
那么你怎么知道你的梦想会实现呢？
I don't know that it is.
我不知道是这样。
I'm hoping that it is.
我希望是这样。
Marilyn Agee lives in California.
玛丽莲·阿吉住在加利福尼亚州。
Like Bonnie Gaunt, she studies Bible prophecy and has tried to compute the length of all the events in the Bible to figure out when the end time would begin.
和邦妮·冈特一样，她研究圣经预言，并试图计算圣经中所有事件的长度，以找出末日何时开始。
She's the author of three books on this subject.
她是三本有关该主题的书的作者。
The latest is Heaven Found .
最新的是天堂发现。
Last year, she set a date for the Rapture, May 31, Pentecost.
去年，她设定了被提日期，5 月 31 日，五旬节。
What did you do the day before?
前一天你做了什么？
That must've been such a momentous day.
那一定是一个非常重要的日子。
I have a web page up called Bible Prophecy Corner.
我有一个名为圣经预言角的网页。
And I answered email constantly.
我不断地回复电子邮件。
I was answering email.
我正在回复电子邮件。
And I meant to stay up all night because the Jews stay up all night.
我本来打算熬夜，因为犹太人熬夜。
And my back hurt so bad-- I live in pain.
我的背疼得很厉害——我生活在痛苦之中。
I have lots of pain.
我有很多痛苦。
So it hurt so bad I went to lay down just for a few minutes, just to rest my back, and was going to go back and answer email, left my computer on and everything.
所以疼得很厉害，我躺了几分钟，只是为了休息一下我的背部，然后要回去回复电子邮件，把我的电脑和一切都开着。
And I woke up in my clothes the next morning.
第二天早上我穿着衣服醒来。
I didn't get a chance to stay up all night.
我没有机会熬夜。
I hope I can do better this time.
我希望这次我能做得更好。
I want to stay up.
我想熬夜。
No. Uh-uh.
不，呃呃。
Ira Glass Like Jesus in the garden.
艾拉·格拉斯就像花园里的耶稣。
Yeah, they couldn't stay awake.
是的，他们无法保持清醒。
And I couldn't either.
我也不能。
And I meant to.
我是故意的。
I really meant to.
我真的想这么做。
And when you woke up, what was that like?
当你醒来时，那是什么样子？
Well, I just knew it didn't happen.
好吧，我只知道这没有发生。
So back to the drawing board.
所以回到绘图板。
What is there there, what clue is there there that I didn't see?
那里有什么，那里有什么我没看到的线索？
You must have been so, so disappointed that morning.
那天早上你一定非常非常失望。
Oh, of course.
哦，当然。
Because I've been counting on it since 1969.
因为我从 1969 年起就一直指望着它。
But you know something?
但你知道一些事情吗？
I wasn't cast down, and my faith is so strong there's no possible way that it could interfere with that.
我并没有感到沮丧，而且我的信念是如此坚定，不可能有任何可能的干扰。
Nothing.
没有什么。
They could kill me and I wouldn't give an inch, you know.
他们可以杀了我，但我不会让步，你知道。
Do you think there's anything that you'll miss about Earth?
你认为地球上有什么你会想念的吗？
Not much.
不多。
Things are getting so bad here, and I have so much pain here, and I think how nice it will be to have a day without pain.
这里的情况变得如此糟糕，我在这里感到非常痛苦，我想如果有一天没有痛苦该多好。
I haven't had a day without pain since I was 30 years old and I'm 70.
从我30岁到70岁，我没有一天不痛过。
You were saying before that you have back pain.
你之前说过你有背痛。
Oh, I have muscular spasms, and they can hit anywhere.
哦，我有肌肉痉挛，它们可以袭击任何地方。
I was awake two times the night with my feet cramping just last night.
昨晚我脚抽筋，晚上醒了两次。
I had to take quinine and Motrin.
我不得不服用奎宁和美林。
And so after the Rapture?
那么在被提之后呢？
Marilyn Agee After the Rapture, I won't have any more pain.
Marilyn Agee 被提之后，我不会再有任何痛苦了。
That will be nice.
那会很好。
Marilyn Agee has re-calculated her chronology since our interview back in 1999.
自 1999 年接受我们采访以来，玛丽莲·艾吉重新计算了她的年表。
She now believes that the rapture will occur on Pentecost of this year, which is May 28.
她现在相信被提将发生在今年的五旬节，即5月28日。
Let's close our program today with this last artifact.
让我们用最后一个工件来结束今天的程序。
In 1818, a farmer in New England named William Miller spent two years studying scripture, especially a passage in Daniel that Marilyn Agee, in fact, pays a lot of attention to, Daniel 8:14.
1818 年，新英格兰一位名叫威廉·米勒 (William Miller) 的农民花了两年时间研究圣经，尤其是《但以理书》中玛丽莲·阿吉 (Marilyn Agee) 非常关注的一段经文，即但以理书 8:14。
And William Miller concluded from his reading that the Rapture and the end of the world would happen in the year 1843.
威廉·米勒 (William Miller) 从他的阅读中得出结论，被提和世界末日将在 1843 年发生。
Many people, including mainstream clerics, became convinced that his calculations were sound and a whole movement started up.
许多人，包括主流神职人员，开始相信他的计算是正确的，并开始了一场完整的运动。
And when 1843 came and went without the end of the world, he recalculated, set a date for 1844.
当1843年到来并没有世界末日的时候，他重新计算，设定了1844年的日期。
This time, the anticipation was even more excited.
这一次，大家的期待更加激动。
Scholars who study the Millerites a century later noted dryly that, when people are committed to a set of beliefs, clear contrary evidence may simply result in them holding to their beliefs even more firmly.
一个世纪后研究米勒派的学者冷冷地指出，当人们致力于一套信念时，明显相反的证据可能只会导致他们更加坚定地坚持自己的信念。
And that's what happened in this case.
这就是本案中发生的情况。
All over New England, farmers didn't plant.
在新英格兰各地，农民都不种植作物。
Others planted but did not harvest as testament to their faith that the world would in fact end.
其他人播种但没有收获，以此证明他们相信世界实际上将会终结。
And on the appointed date, October 22, 1844, when the sun rose and set on another ordinary day in New England, a Millerite wrote, "our fondest hopes and expectations were blasted and such a weeping came over us as I have never experienced before.
在指定的日期，即 1844 年 10 月 22 日，当新英格兰又一个平常的日子日出日落时，一位米勒教徒写道：“我们最深切的希望和期望都破灭了，我们感到前所未有的哭泣。
It seemed that the loss of all earthly friends could be no comparison.
失去世上所有的朋友似乎是无法相比的。
We wept and wept until the day dawned.
我们一直哭啊哭啊，直到天亮。
My advent experience had been the richest and brightest of all my Christian experiences.
我的降临经历是我所有基督徒经历中最丰富、最明亮的。
If this had proved a failure, what was the rest of my Christian experience worth?
如果这被证明是失败的，那么我剩下的基督徒经历还有什么价值呢？
Has the Bible proved a failure?
圣经被证明是失败的吗？
Is there no God, no Heaven, no golden home city, no paradise?
难道没有上帝，没有天堂，没有黄金家园，没有天堂吗？
Is all this but a cunningly devised fable?
这一切难道只是一则巧妙编造的寓言吗？
Is there no reality to our fondest hope and expectation of these things?
难道我们对这些事情的最大希望和期望都没有现实吗？
And thus, we had something to grieve and weep over if all our fond hopes were lost.
因此，如果我们所有的美好希望都落空了，我们就会感到悲伤和哭泣。
And as I said, we wept till the day dawned."
正如我所说，我们一直哭到天亮。”
The world is going to end.
世界即将终结。
The world is going to end.
世界即将终结。
So if you're going to love me, you should hurry.
所以，如果你要爱我，就得快点。
Well, our program was produced today by Alix Spiegel and myself with Nancy Updike and Julie Snyder.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由阿利克斯·斯皮格尔和我、南希·厄普代克和朱莉·斯奈德共同制作的。
Contributing editors Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin and Consigliere Sarah Vowell.
特约编辑 Paul Tough、Jack Hitt、Margy Rochlin 和 Consigliere Sarah Vowell。
Production help from Jorge Just, Todd Bachmann, and Sylvia Lemus.
Jorge Just、Todd Bachmann 和 Sylvia Lemus 为制作提供帮助。
Elizabeth Meister runs our website.
伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责运营我们的网站。
[ACKNOWLEDGMENTS] To buy a cassette of any of our programs, call us here at WBEZ in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
[鸣谢] 要购买我们任何节目的磁带，请致电芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who you can find any day of the week, wandering the hallways of WBEZ singing this song--
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理监督由 Torey Malatia 负责，您可以在一周中的任何一天找到他，在 WBEZ 的走廊里徘徊，唱着这首歌——
"Shall we gather at the river?"
“我们去河边集合吧？”
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Back next week with more stories of This American Life.
下周我们将带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。