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Prologue Different Voices From PRI, Public Radio International.
序言 来自国际公共广播电台 PRI 的不同声音。
From PRI, Public Radio International.
来自国际公共广播电台 PRI。
From PRI, Public Radio International.
来自国际公共广播电台 PRI。
Public Radio.
公共广播电台。
Public Radio International.
国际公共广播电台。
So when I heard that a woman named Samantha Martin had trained raccoons to play basketball, and hires them out for parties and corporate events, I pictured raccoons.
因此，当我听说一位名叫萨曼莎·马丁的女士训练浣熊打篮球，并雇用它们参加聚会和公司活动时，我就想到了浣熊。
You know, in three-on-three or four-on-four games, in little Chicago Bulls uniforms.
你知道，在三对三或四对四的比赛中，穿着芝加哥公牛队的小队服。
You know, Raccoon Scottie Pippen passes to Raccoon Dennis Rodman.
你知道，浣熊斯科蒂·皮蓬将球传给浣熊丹尼斯·罗德曼。
Raccoon Michael Jordan, you know, takes it in for a layup or dunks it.
你知道，浣熊迈克尔·乔丹接球上篮或扣篮。
The team is a little raccoon Orlando Magic or Los Angeles Lakers.
球队是小浣熊奥兰多魔术队或者洛杉矶湖人队。
I could see it all.
我可以看到这一切。
But that is not what it was like.
但事实并非如此。
No, no, no. That was naive.
不，不，不。那太天真了。
Ricky.
瑞奇。
Come here, Ricky.
过来，瑞奇。
Ricky, Ricky.
瑞奇，瑞奇。
Snacks, hmm?
零食，嗯？
There you go.
就这样吧。
Shoo.
嘘。
Shoo.
嘘。
Ricky, shoo.
瑞奇，嘘。
Come on, Ricky.
来吧，瑞奇。
Ricky, come here.
瑞奇，过来。
Samantha Martin chases after one of her two basketball-playing raccoons, holding a bag of blue and pink cotton candy.
萨曼莎·马丁拿着一袋蓝色和粉色的棉花糖追赶她的两只打篮球的浣熊之一。
She alternates, actually, between taking a fingerful of cotton candy for herself and giving one to the raccoon.
事实上，她时而拿一把棉花糖给自己，时而给浣熊。
Yummy.
好吃。
Sugar.
糖。
Sugar, Ricky.
糖，瑞奇。
Come here.
过来吧。
You don't want the snacks?
你不想吃零食吗？
Ricky, Ricky, Ricky.
瑞奇，瑞奇，瑞奇。
Samantha is actually a skilled and successful trainer, but the animals are not cooperating this day, probably because Samantha went away for the holidays and they're still feeling neglected.
萨曼莎实际上是一位熟练且成功的驯兽师，但动物们今天并不合作，可能是因为萨曼莎去度假了，而它们仍然感到被忽视。
Samantha puts a grapefruit-sized ball in the raccoon's hand and then pushes the raccoon's hand toward a Fisher-Price basketball net that rises perhaps a foot and a half off the floor.
萨曼莎将一个葡萄柚大小的球放在浣熊的手中，然后将浣熊的手推向费雪篮球网，该篮球网距地面大约一英尺半。
Oh, she missed.
哦，她错过了。
Shoot again.
再次射击。
Shoot.
射击。
Good girl.
好女孩。
The fact is, there are things that raccoons like to do, are born to do.
事实上，有些事情是浣熊喜欢做的，而且是生来就会做的。
And playing basketball is not one of them.
而打篮球并不是其中之一。
Oh, I know.
哦，我知道。
It's frustrating.
真令人沮丧。
You have to have a lot of patience.
你必须有很大的耐心。
Especially when I was first training them to play basketball, do you know how long it took me?
尤其是我第一次训练他们打篮球的时候，你知道我花了多长时间吗？
It took me a month to get them to play basketball.
我花了一个月的时间才让他们打篮球。
Every day I had to come down here and play with ball, net, ball, net, treat.
每天我都必须来这里玩球，网，球，网，请客。
And you just see, going through their mind-- OK, if they touched the ball and then they touched the net, they'd get a treat.
你就会看到，仔细想想他们的想法——好吧，如果他们触球然后触网，他们就会得到款待。
They'd be like ball, net, treat, treat.
它们就像球、网、款待、款待。
And then, I started getting them to hold the ball, and then I got them to push the ball into the net.
然后，我开始让他们持球，然后我让他们将球推入球网。
And finally that day came where they picked up the ball off the ground and popped it in the net.
终于有一天，他们把球从地上捡起来，扔进了球网。
And I was so thrilled.
我非常激动。
I was like, oh, they got it.
我当时想，哦，他们明白了。
He got excited.
他很兴奋。
He was like, [PANTING SOUNDS] and he was picking up the ball and putting it in the net, picking up the ball and putting it in the net, over and over again.
他就像，[喘气的声音]，他捡起球并将其放入网中，捡起球并将其放入网中，一遍又一遍。
He got so excited.
他太兴奋了。
Taming animals means basically teaching them to conform to the human world, teaching them human expectations.
驯服动物本质上就是教它们顺应人类世界，教它们人类的期望。
And with many of the animals that Samantha raises, it's possible to make them more human while they're little.
对于萨曼莎饲养的许多动物来说，在它们还小的时候就可以让它们变得更加人性化。
But then once they reach a certain age, their real animal nature kicks in.
但一旦他们到了一定的年龄，他们真正的动物本性就会显现出来。
A baby cougar she was raising started stalking her friends, biting at their throats.
她养大的一只小美洲狮开始跟踪她的朋友，咬他们的喉咙。
The raccoons also go for the throat.
浣熊也会攻击喉咙。
You know, if he's out of his cage, he'll run up.
你知道，如果他出了笼子，他就会跑起来。
He'll look at you, and he'll recognize me as, like, Mom from years ago.
他会看着你，认出我，就像几年前的妈妈一样。
He'll be like, Mom, and he'll race up to me, jump up, climb up to my shoulder, and then realize, wait, I'm wild, I don't like you anymore.
他会说，妈妈，然后他会跑向我，跳起来，爬到我的肩膀上，然后意识到，等等，我很狂野，我不再喜欢你了。
And he'll bite my neck.
他会咬我的脖子。
You see it inside.
你看到里面了。
Their eyes go from crazy to tame, crazy to tame, crazy, crazy, tame, tame.
他们的眼神从疯狂到驯服，从疯狂到驯服，疯狂，疯狂，驯服，驯服。
It's almost like they're saying, no, Mom, love you-- must bite, must bite, must-- no, no, nice, nice, Mom, nice, oh, yes, we love Mom-- bite, must bite, must bite-- no, no. They just fight it.
这几乎就像他们在说，不，妈妈，爱你——必须咬，必须咬，必须——不，不，很好，很好，妈妈，很好，哦，是的，我们爱妈妈——咬，必须咬，必须咬——不，不。他们只是与之抗争。
You just see this battle going on in their heads.
你只能看到这场战斗在他们的脑海中进行。
They're like, [SOUNDS OF STRUGGLING].
他们就像，[挣扎的声音]。
What do we want from animals?
我们想从动物身上得到什么？
To run her business, Samantha has had to figure this out, and at parties, at corporate events, in commercials and films, Samantha has her raccoons pick pockets and play basketball.
为了经营她的生意，萨曼莎必须弄清楚这一点，在聚会、公司活动、广告和电影中，萨曼莎让她的浣熊扒窃和打篮球。
She has rats that bowl, rats that answer toy telephones?
她的碗里有老鼠，会接听玩具电话的老鼠？
Do people want to see animals do animal things?
人们想看到动物做动物的事吗？
No, they don't.
不，他们没有。
They want to see animals acting like people.
他们希望看到动物像人一样行事。
Most of us, the only animals we ever see are animals who act like humans-- cats and dogs.
对于我们大多数人来说，我们见过的唯一动物就是行为像人类的动物——猫和狗。
We watch movies and TV shows and commercials that are filled with animals that fetch beers from the refrigerator and solve crimes.
我们观看的电影、电视节目和广告中充满了从冰箱里取出啤酒并破获犯罪的动物。
And we forget the sheer animalness of animals.
我们忘记了动物纯粹的兽性。
We don't see it.
我们没有看到它。
Maybe we don't want to see it.
也许我们不想看到它。
Well, this brings us to the topic of today's program.
好了，这就引出了我们今天节目的主题。
From WBEZ, of course, it's This American Life.
当然，来自 WBEZ 的是《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, The Animalness of Animals.
今天我们的节目《动物的兽性》。
Our show today in three acts.
我们今天的演出分三幕。
Act One, Staging the Food Chain in a New York Apartment.
第一幕，在纽约公寓上演食物链。
Act Two, Animal Court.
第二幕，动物法庭。
That's an original radio play by David Sedaris.
这是大卫·塞达里斯 (David Sedaris) 创作的原创广播剧。
Act Three, The Moment Humans Stopped Being Animals.
第三幕，人类不再是动物的那一刻。
That's a story by Scott Carrier.
这是斯科特·卡里尔的故事。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One.
第一幕。
You know, usually when we see pictures of animals, they're fluffy and cute or they are noble and dignified.
你知道，通常我们看到动物的照片时，要么是毛茸茸的可爱，要么是高贵威严。
Well, compare that to this set of photos by Catherine Chalmers.
好吧，将其与凯瑟琳查默斯的这组照片进行比较。
In this first picture, we have a caterpillar eating a tomato, a brightly-colored close up of that.
在第一张照片中，我们有一只毛毛虫在吃西红柿，这是它的色彩鲜艳的特写。
In the second picture, a praying mantis eats the caterpillar.
在第二张照片中，一只螳螂吃掉了毛毛虫。
And in the third picture, a tarantula eats the praying mantis.
在第三张照片中，狼蛛吃掉了螳螂。
Catherine Chalmers takes these pictures in her own apartment in New York City, where she also raises the animals that she feeds to each other.
凯瑟琳·查默斯 (Catherine Chalmers) 在纽约市自己的公寓里拍摄了这些照片，她在那里还饲养着互相喂食的动物。
Paul Tough stopped by for a visit.
保罗·图赫 (Paul Tough) 前来拜访。
Growing up, Catherine Chalmers wasn't really an animal person.
在成长过程中，凯瑟琳·查默斯并不是一个真正的动物人。
She always had a pet or two, nothing unusual.
她总是养一两只宠物，没什么奇怪的。
Then a few years ago, she was working on these sculptures where she would take dead insects and glue them onto plants and flowers.
几年前，她正在制作这些雕塑，她将死去的昆虫粘在植物和花朵上。
She needed a lot of dead flies, more than she could buy anywhere, and so she decided to start raising live flies in a glass cage in the corner of her apartment.
她需要大量的死苍蝇，比她在任何地方都买不到的多，因此她决定开始在公寓角落的玻璃笼子里饲养活苍蝇。
She would just let them breed and wait for them to die.
她只会让它们繁殖，然后等待它们死去。
But then one day, she picked up a camera and looked at the flies through a close-up lens.
但有一天，她拿起一台相机，通过特写镜头观察苍蝇。
And the world changed.
世界改变了。
Because instead of just seeing patterns of swarming flies, I saw leg hairs and genitals and mouths and I saw them.
因为我不仅看到了成群结队的苍蝇的图案，还看到了腿毛、生殖器和嘴巴，我看到了它们。
And I saw their lives, how they would greet each other, and what they would do.
我看到了他们的生活，他们如何互相问候，以及他们会做什么。
And I could see them being born.
我可以看到他们的诞生。
I could see them having sex.
我可以看到他们做爱。
I could see them eating.
我可以看到他们在吃东西。
I could see them flying.
我可以看到他们飞翔。
I could see them hanging out.
我可以看到他们闲逛。
And it was great.
这太棒了。
It was fascinating.
这很令人着迷。
So I'd sit there for hours until they went to the bathroom on the glass enough that I couldn't see anymore.
所以我会在那里坐几个小时，直到他们去洗手间，玻璃上的玻璃足够多，我再也看不到了。
And that's when I kind of got hooked into animals past a certain point of return.
就在那时，我有点迷上了动物，超过了某个回归点。
She realized that there were two basic moments of life that she couldn't see in the flies' cage.
她意识到生命中有两个基本时刻是她在苍蝇笼子里看不到的。
She couldn't see them eating and she couldn't see them die.
她看不到他们吃东西，也看不到他们死。
So she came up with this project that she called The Food Chain.
因此，她提出了这个项目，她称之为“食物链”。
She decided to raise a few different animals-- caterpillars, praying mantises, frogs, spiders-- and take pictures of each animal eating the one that came beneath it in the natural food chain.
她决定饲养几种不同的动物——毛毛虫、螳螂、青蛙、蜘蛛——并拍摄每一种动物吃自然食物链中处于其下方的动物的照片。
When I first thought of this project, when it first dawned on me, what I was kind of fishing around for, it kind of made my stomach hurt.
当我第一次想到这个项目时，当我第一次意识到我在摸索什么时，我的胃有点疼。
The idea of raising animals to be eaten, to photograph them specifically to be eaten, was repugnant and made me kind of sick.
饲养动物来供食用，专门拍摄它们供食用的想法是令人反感的，让我有点恶心。
But the more I thought of it, the more interesting I thought it was.
但我越想，就越觉得有趣。
And so Catherine began to fill her loft with animals.
于是凯瑟琳开始在她的阁楼里养满动物。
There isn't much furniture, but every surface has got terrariums and cages on it.
家具不多，但每个表面都有玻璃容器和笼子。
Frogs and mealworms and a snake on one table.
一张桌子上有青蛙、黄粉虫和一条蛇。
Goldfish in the kitchen to feed the frogs.
厨房里的金鱼喂青蛙。
Crickets which chirp constantly.
蟋蟀不断地鸣叫。
A tarantula and two cages full of mice.
一只狼蛛和两个装满老鼠的笼子。
On a spare corner of the table where the frogs and the snake live, she's got a lightbox set up, and we sit down there to take a look at some of her pictures.
在青蛙和蛇居住的桌子的一个空角上，她设置了一个灯箱，我们坐在那里看她的一些照片。
The photos don't look like normal nature photography.
这些照片看起来不像正常的自然摄影。
They look more like fashion shots.
它们看起来更像是时尚照片。
The animals are brightly lit and sharply focused, pictured against a clear white background.
这些动物光线明亮，焦点清晰，在清晰的白色背景下拍摄。
It starts with caterpillars that eat tomatoes.
这要从吃西红柿的毛虫说起。
The praying mantises eat the caterpillars.
螳螂吃毛毛虫。
And my original idea was for the tarantula to eat the praying mantises.
我最初的想法是让狼蛛吃螳螂。
But spiders are really undependable predators.
但蜘蛛确实是不可靠的掠食者。
If there were two emotions competing in Catherine Chalmers, her fascination with the food chain and her disgust with what she was doing, it becomes clear to me, as she shows me her work, that in the end, her fascination won out.
如果说凯瑟琳·查默斯身上有两种情绪相互竞争，她对食物链的迷恋和她对自己所做的事情的厌恶，那么当她向我展示她的作品时，我很清楚，最终，她的迷恋获胜了。
She lays out a sequence of shots that begin with the praying mantis about to attack a caterpillar.
她布置了一系列镜头，以螳螂即将攻击毛毛虫开始。
That's the part that's really great, is she springs on it, and she wraps her arms around it.
这才是真正伟大的部分，她跳到上面，然后用双臂搂住它。
And she just starts biting into it.
她就开始咬它。
And the thing's live and it's still kicking.
而且这个东西还活着，而且还在踢。
And with the caterpillars, since all they do is eat, basically their body is just one long digestive system.
对于毛毛虫来说，由于它们所做的只是吃东西，基本上它们的身体只是一个长长的消化系统。
And so whatever they are eating, as soon as she bites into it, it just spills out.
所以无论他们吃什么，只要她咬下去，它就会溢出来。
So if they're eating leaves when she bites into it-- and this totally surprised me when it first happened.
所以，如果当她咬叶子时，他们正在吃叶子——这在第一次发生时让我感到非常惊讶。
It comes out green, or it comes out bright red, the color of the tomatoes, or it comes out bright yellow, if you're feeding them yellow tomatoes.
它出来时是绿色的，或者是亮红色的，就像西红柿的颜色，或者是亮黄色的，如果你给它们喂黄色西红柿的话。
So I did different sequences of caterpillar with different color guts coming out.
所以我做了不同的毛毛虫序列，里面有不同颜色的内脏。
And it was just beautiful.
它真的很漂亮。
I mean, I didn't know that an animal eating something live could be so attractive.
我的意思是，我不知道吃活东西的动物会如此有吸引力。
It was like spilling a tube of paint out on a white piece of canvas.
这就像将一管颜料洒在一块白色的画布上。
It just blobs out.
它只是一滴一滴地流出来。
It's gruesome, if you think about it in terms of your brother or your sister, but in terms of the fact that it is an insect and we seem less attached to the insect world than, certainly, the human world, it was very beautiful.
如果你从你的兄弟或姐妹的角度来考虑的话，这很可怕，但事实上，它是一种昆虫，而我们似乎不像人类世界那样对昆虫世界那么依恋，它非常美丽。
You'd think it would be easy to take pictures of predators eating their prey.
您可能会认为拍摄掠食者吃掉猎物的照片很容易。
That's what they do, after all.
毕竟，这就是他们所做的。
But it turns out to be more complicated than just putting a couple of animals together and snapping away.
但事实证明，这比把几只动物放在一起然后拍下来要复杂得多。
There are considerations of timing and staging.
有时间和分期的考虑。
When she tried to have frogs eat the praying mantises, the problem was the frogs were simply too fast.
当她试图让青蛙吃掉螳螂时，问题是青蛙速度太快了。
Photo One would show a hungry frog and a praying mantis, and Photo Two would just show a well-fed frog.
照片一展示了一只饥饿的青蛙和一只螳螂，照片二展示了一只吃饱的青蛙。
Then there was the tarantula problem.
然后是狼蛛问题。
Tarantulas can go for months without eating and days without moving.
狼蛛可以几个月不吃东西，几天不活动。
She put the spider and the praying mantis up on her set, and the tarantula would just stare at the praying mantis, completely still, one leg in the air, for hours.
她把蜘蛛和螳螂放在她的布景上，狼蛛就会一动不动地盯着螳螂几个小时，一动不动，一条腿悬在空中。
Finally in one session at three in the morning, after staring through her camera all night, Catherine got what she wanted.
终于，在凌晨三点的一次会议上，在盯着相机看了一整夜之后，凯瑟琳得到了她想要的东西。
She slides the photos onto the lightbox.
她将照片滑到灯箱上。
You see the shot where the two of them are looking at each other.
你可以看到他们两个互相看着对方的镜头。
And then basically the spider pounced on it and flipped it over.
然后蜘蛛基本上扑向它并把它翻了过来。
And the praying mantis is upside-down, still looking straight at you and perfectly alive, looking at you, as the spider is munching on the middle part of its body.
螳螂倒立着，仍然直视着你，而且活生生地看着你，而蜘蛛正在咀嚼它身体的中部。
And then you see his head, and his antennas are waving around, and then slowly the head gets drawn more and more into the jaws.
然后你看到他的头，他的触角在周围挥舞，然后慢慢地，头越来越靠近下巴。
And it's still alive.
而且它还活着。
And then the spider basically mushes it up into a ball and extracts the juices out of it.
然后蜘蛛基本上将其捣碎成球并从中提取汁液。
And it took maybe, I can't remember, maybe three or four hours for it to eat the whole thing.
我记不清了，它可能花了三四个小时才把整个东西吃完。
And for at least half of that time, the praying mantis was perfectly alive.
至少有一半的时间里，螳螂都还活着。
And it was hard, because you'd spent so long raising this thing.
这很困难，因为你花了很长时间来养育这件事。
It was really hard to see it being eaten alive like that and having it take so long.
真的很难想象它会被活活吃掉，而且要花这么长时间。
At this point in The Food Chain, her pictures were becoming more and more vivid, but so was the suffering that she was watching through her lens.
在《食物链》的这一点上，她的照片变得越来越生动，但她通过镜头看到的痛苦也越来越生动。
I got attached to the praying mantises.
我对螳螂产生了依恋。
Yeah, seeing the praying mantises die was definitely much harder than seeing the caterpillars dying.
是的，看着螳螂死去肯定比看着毛毛虫死去要困难得多。
Unlike most insects, they have a head that moves, like ours does, on a neck.
与大多数昆虫不同的是，它们的头部可以像我们一样在脖子上移动。
And so they turn and they look at you.
于是他们转过身来看着你。
And they've got these big eyes sticking out.
他们的大眼睛伸出来。
And they have some of the characteristics of the things which usually win human sympathy, which is big eyes and kind of an expression.
它们具有一些通常赢得人类同情的特征，那就是大眼睛和某种表情。
And their mouth is red on the inside.
他们的嘴里面是红色的。
So when they would eat something, it looked like they had red lipstick on.
所以当他们吃东西的时候，看起来就像涂了红色口红。
It was much easier to get attached to them.
与他们产生依恋要容易得多。
One of the things that the Food Chain photos have made Catherine think about is how we humans choose which animals we love and which ones we hate, the distinction we make, basically, between pets and pests.
食物链照片让凯瑟琳思考的一件事是我们人类如何选择我们喜欢的动物和我们讨厌的动物，我们基本上在宠物和害虫之间做出区分。
She says most of us are attracted to animals that are like us, that are mammals, that have round faces and big eyes like human infants.
她说，我们大多数人都被那些像我们一样的动物所吸引，这些动物是哺乳动物，有像人类婴儿一样的圆脸和大眼睛。
And she's not immune to that instinct.
她也不能免受这种本能的影响。
Her favorite animal is her dog, Leo.
她最喜欢的动物是她的狗 Leo。
But she also finds herself drawn to the animals that we are supposed to fear, and the moments in their lives that we usually turn away from.
但她也发现自己被那些我们应该害怕的动物以及它们生活中我们通常回避的时刻所吸引。
At the lightbox, she puts down four new photos from a different project, a series of shots of two praying mantises having sex.
在灯箱上，她放了四张来自不同项目的新照片，一系列两只螳螂做爱的照片。
So that's the female.
所以这就是女性。
That's the male.
那是男性。
She's a lot bigger.
她大了很多。
Then they mated.
然后他们交配了。
They look like a nice happy couple.
他们看起来就像一对幸福快乐的情侣。
He has green eyes.
他有绿色的眼睛。
She has brown.
她有棕色的。
So he's on top of her.
所以他在她上面。
Catherine Chalmers He's on top of her.
凯瑟琳·查默斯 他在她身上。
And it's just like a classic doggy-style sex position.
这就像经典的后入式性爱姿势。
And they stay that way for hours.
他们会保持这种状态几个小时。
Hours and hours and hours.
几个小时，几个小时，几个小时。
I mean, I'll take a few pictures, come back in 20 minutes, take a few more pictures, come back in 20 minutes.
我的意思是，我会拍几张照片，20 分钟后回来，再拍几张照片，20 分钟后回来。
Isn't that kind of rare for animals?
这对于动物来说不是很罕见吗？
I thought animals were sort of-- do it quick.
我认为动物有点——快点。
So did I, especially insects.
我也是，尤其是昆虫。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I think it's somewhat rare.
我认为这有点罕见。
I was surprised.
我很惊讶。
I mean I've waited four hours and finally just went to bed and woke up in the morning, and the male is nowhere to be found.
我的意思是，我等了四个小时，最后才上床睡觉，早上醒来，却找不到那只雄性。
But then one time, instead of him getting completely off of her, she caught him and wrapped her arms around him, like she was holding him around the neck, like walking arm in arm.
但有一次，他并没有完全摆脱她，而是抓住了他，用双臂搂住了他，就像她搂着他的脖子，就像挽着胳膊走路一样。
And she just started eating him.
她刚刚开始吃他。
I couldn't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
I've mated them two years in a row now and hadn't had them do that.
我已经连续两年让它们交配了，但从来没有让它们这样做过。
The photos aren't exactly grisly.
这些照片并不完全可怕。
There's no blood, not really even any color, but they're still pretty disturbing.
没有血，甚至没有任何颜色，但它们仍然相当令人不安。
Here, you see he's still kind of halfway on, and she reached around and grabbed him by the neck and bit his face off.
在这里，你看到他还没有走到一半，她就伸手抓住他的脖子，咬掉了他的脸。
See, he has no head there.
看，他没有头。
What's that?
那是什么？
Catherine Chalmers Oh, that's one of his arms.
凯瑟琳·查默斯 哦，那是他的一只手臂。
There was kind of a fight.
有一场战斗。
It's like the tip somewhere.
这就像某处的小费。
And she's eating straight down his abdomen.
她直接吃进他的腹部。
See, he's already past his waist.
看，他已经过了腰了。
Whatever.
任何。
She finished when she got there.
当她到达那里时，她就完成了。
She even ate some of the wings, munched on some of those.
她甚至吃了一些鸡翅，嚼了一些。
And when does he die?
他什么时候死？
Catherine Chalmers When does he die?
凯瑟琳·查默斯 他什么时候死？
Well, insects, it's like their bodies are more democratic.
嗯，昆虫，它们的身体好像更加民主。
They don't have a central nervous system the same way we do.
他们不像我们一样有中枢神经系统。
You bite their head off, and the whole theory is that their body keeps functioning.
你咬掉他们的头，整个理论就是他们的身体继续运转。
So she can bite his head off when they're in this position, having sex, and he continues to have sex with her and continues to give her sperm, or whatever they call it in bug stuff.
所以当他们处于这种姿势发生性关系时，她可以咬掉他的头，而他继续与她发生性关系并继续给她提供精子，或者他们所说的虫子之类的东西。
And there were some scientists who measured the inside of her cavity.
还有一些科学家测量了她的腔体内部。
And when she bit his head off, she got more sperm.
当她咬掉他的头时，她得到了更多的精子。
So his head actually acted as an inhibitor, and when that's gone, then she gets the rest.
所以他的头实际上起到了抑制剂的作用，当它消失后，她就得到了剩下的。
So in the cases where the female bit the head off, she actually got more sperm.
因此，在雌性咬掉头的情况下，她实际上获得了更多的精子。
I suppose theoretically, therefore, more of her eggs are fertilized.
因此，我认为从理论上讲，她的卵子中有更多是受精的。
What do you mean, his head acts as an inhibitor?
你是什么意思，他的头充当了抑制剂？
Well, he's very cautious around her.
嗯，他对她很谨慎。
And his caution seems to originate in his head.
他的谨慎似乎源于他的头脑。
So at this point, he's definitely still alive, when she's only eaten his face off.
所以在这一点上，当她只是把他的脸吃掉的时候，他肯定还活着。
At the center of Catherine's studio, there are two glass cages where her mice live.
在凯瑟琳工作室的中心，有两个玻璃笼子，里面住着她的老鼠。
There are about 20 mice in each cage, of all ages.
每个笼子里大约有20只老鼠，各个年龄段。
Some have just been born, still nursing from their mothers, some pregnant, some have been around for a few generations.
有些刚刚出生，仍在母亲的哺育下，有些已经怀孕，有些已经存在了几代人。
It's the nicest part of the studio.
这是工作室最好的部分。
The mice are all very clean and healthy and cute, and the cage even smells good.
老鼠们都非常干净、健康、可爱，笼子里的味道也很香。
These mice are the centerpiece of Catherine's current project.
这些老鼠是凯瑟琳当前项目的核心。
She photographs them being born, and then photographs them being eaten by various predators.
她拍摄了它们出生的过程，然后拍摄了它们被各种掠食者吃掉的情况。
Today she's going to take pictures of a two-day-old mouse, which is called a pinkie because it's too young to have fur.
今天她要给一只两天大的老鼠拍照，这只老鼠被称为“小指”，因为它太小了，还没有毛皮。
It just has pink skin.
它只是有粉红色的皮肤。
Its eyes are still closed, and it can barely move.
它的眼睛仍然闭着，几乎无法动弹。
Her 10-inch, pencil-thin snake, Pumpkin, hasn't eaten in almost a week.
她的 10 英寸长、铅笔般细的蛇南瓜已经快一周没有吃东西了。
Today, Pumpkin's going to eat a pinkie.
今天，南瓜要吃小指。
She puts the pinkie and the snake up on what she calls her set.
她把小指和蛇放在她所谓的布景上。
This is where she takes all her pictures.
这是她拍摄所有照片的地方。
It's chest-high, about three feet by three feet, with a white Formica surface that curves up at the back to form a seamless background.
它齐胸高，大约三英尺乘三英尺，白色福米卡表面在背面向上弯曲，形成无缝背景。
There are only two strobe lights, plus a third light underneath the surface to make sure the animals stay warm.
只有两个频闪灯，再加上表面下方的第三个灯，以确保动物保持温暖。
Do you have to keep the snake away from the pinkie when you first put it down?
当你第一次把蛇放下时，你必须让蛇远离小指吗？
No. It takes a while to figure out that it's there.
不，需要一段时间才能发现它在那里。
Now, the pinkie started moving.
现在，小指开始动了。
Do you think--
你认为——
No. I don't think the pinkie understands there's a snake there.
不，我认为小指不知道那里有一条蛇。
The snake's moving slowly, putting its head up right next to the pinkie and flicking out its tongue as if it wants to lick it.
蛇慢慢地移动，把头放在小指旁边，伸出舌头，好像想舔它。
She's checking it out, smelling it, sniffing it, making sure it's OK, I guess.
我猜她正在检查、闻、嗅，确保一切正常。
It's very friendly.
这是非常友好的。
Catherine Chalmers I don't know if I'd call it friendly.
凯瑟琳·查默斯 我不知道我是否可以称其为友好。
I mean it just looks that way, the two of them together.
我的意思是，他们两个在一起看起来就是这样。
The two of them hanging out together.
他们两个一起出去玩。
Yeah.
是的。
Their faces are about the same size.
他们的脸大小差不多。
Well, no, the mouse's face is bigger.
嗯，不，老鼠的脸更大。
You see what I mean?
你明白我的意思吗？
There's no terror in the mouse.
老鼠没有恐惧。
Well, hard to tell what makes something that small unhappy.
好吧，很难说是什么让这么小的事情不高兴。
stood there for 15 minutes watching as the snake tried to decide what to do.
在那里站了 15 分钟，看着蛇试图决定该怎么做。
The pinkie didn't move much, just sort of quivered, raising its head every once in a while.
小指没有动太多，只是有点颤抖，时不时地抬起头。
Then, finally, the snake made its move.
然后，蛇终于行动了。
Hmm.
唔。
Very strange.
很奇怪。
Paul Tough What was strange was the way the snake attacked.
保罗·泰赫 奇怪的是蛇攻击的方式。
Pumpkin is a constrictor, which means that usually when it goes for its prey, it quickly wraps its body around it and squeezes it to death.
南瓜是一种蟒蛇，这意味着它通常在捕食猎物时，会迅速用身体包裹住猎物并将其挤压致死。
This time it bit the pinkie and held it in its fangs, alive, for a couple of minutes before it finally constricted it.
这一次，它咬住了小指，用尖牙咬住了它，几分钟后才最终将其勒紧。
Does the pinkie always struggle like that?
小指总是这样挣扎吗？
Is it still alive now?
现在还活着吗？
Catherine Chalmers If you look at the tail, you can usually tell.
凯瑟琳·查默斯 如果你看尾巴，通常就能看出。
When the tail starts to droop down.
当尾巴开始下垂时。
Although it's getting so much blood pushed through there that that could keep it up.
尽管有太多的血液流过那里，所以可以维持下去。
I know you can be charged for being cruel to a dog.
我知道你可能会因为虐待狗而被指控。
Can you be charged for being cruel to a mouse?
虐待老鼠会被指控吗？
No, I don't think so.
不，我不这么认为。
Now, maybe if I took one of my mice, went out into the middle of Broadway, and started ripping it apart where everybody could see-- I don't know.
现在，也许如果我带着我的一只老鼠，走到百老汇中间，开始在每个人都能看到的地方把它撕碎——我不知道。
And probably a legal person wouldn't know, because it never comes up.
法人可能不会知道，因为它永远不会出现。
Catherine says that we've developed a hierarchy of death.
凯瑟琳说我们已经制定了死亡等级制度。
Some animals we're prohibited from killing.
有些动物是我们禁止捕杀的。
Some we're encouraged to kill.
有些我们被鼓励去杀掉。
And most of them we just don't care about.
其中大多数我们并不关心。
I asked her whether doing the Food Chain project changed the way she saw animals.
我问她食物链项目是否改变了她看待动物的方式。
And she said that it hadn't changed the way she saw them, it made her see them for the first time.
她说这并没有改变她看待他们的方式，这让她第一次看到他们。
Before she started photographing animals, she was like most people.
在她开始拍摄动物之前，她和大多数人一样。
She never really thought about them at all.
她从来没有真正想过他们。
And do you ever feel like you're taking sides when you set up a photograph like this?
当你设置这样的照片时，你是否感觉自己在偏袒一方？
Yeah, your sides change.
是的，你的侧面发生了变化。
Yeah.
是的。
I mean, at one point, you feel really bad about the pinkie, and at one point, you're really happy your snake ate and therefore it's healthy and it's going to live.
我的意思是，在某一时刻，你对小指感到非常难过，在某一时刻，你真的很高兴你的蛇吃了它，因此它是健康的，它会活下去。
So in something like this, your sides always change.
所以在这样的事情中，你的立场总是会改变。
And when you put the pinkie up there, before you put the snake up there, you feel really bad.
当你把小指放在那里，在你把蛇放在那里之前，你感觉非常糟糕。
You think, oh, well, this little thing doesn't know it's about to be eaten.
你想，哦，好吧，这个小东西不知道它会被吃掉。
And with the Food Chain project, that was one of the points.
对于食物链项目来说，这就是重点之一。
You take the side of the underdog, and then the underdog becomes a predator, and then you have to change sides again, and then you change sides again.
你站在弱者一边，然后弱者变成了掠夺者，然后你必须再次改变立场，然后你再次改变立场。
And it's arbitrary and relative anyways.
无论如何，它是任意的和相对的。
So you just kind of get all confused, really.
所以你真的有点困惑。
It's getting to the point with the mouse project where those feelings are starting to have real repercussions.
随着鼠标项目的发展，这些感觉开始产生真正的影响。
Right now, Pumpkin can't eat anything bigger than a pinkie, but she's growing.
现在，南瓜不能吃比小指更大的东西，但她正在成长。
Eventually she'll be three feet or more.
最终她会长到三英尺或更高。
Before long, she'll be eating full-grown mice, the ones that Catherine feeds and holds and plays with every day.
不久之后，她就会吃到凯瑟琳每天喂养、抱着和玩耍的成年老鼠。
It's one thing, I was telling you this before, to feed something to something where the pinkie has no senses yet.
我之前告诉过你，给小指还没有感官的东西喂东西是一回事。
It can't see.
它看不见。
It can smell, but it can't see.
它可以闻到，但看不到。
But it's another when you pick up a full-grown mouse who is aware of what's going on when it sees a snake.
但当你拿起一只成年老鼠时，它会意识到在看到蛇时发生了什么，那就是另一回事了。
And I don't know what I'm going to do when she starts eating full-grown mice.
我不知道当她开始吃成年老鼠时我该怎么办。
Right now, it's still something within the realm of something I can do.
现在，这仍然是我力所能及的事情。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Is there a line at which it starts being hard to do?
是否有一条线开始变得难以做到？
Yeah, probably.
是的，可能是。
Catherine talks about her apartment being like an oasis in the middle of Soho.
凯瑟琳说她的公寓就像苏荷区中心的一片绿洲。
She loves coming home from the cars and concrete of Manhattan into a place that's filled with life.
她喜欢从曼哈顿的汽车和混凝土中回到一个充满生机的地方。
But in another way, it's Manhattan, it's our world, that's the oasis in the middle of a planet that's full of nature.
但从另一方面来说，它是曼哈顿，它是我们的世界，它是一个充满自然的星球中间的绿洲。
All around us, things are eating and having sex and dying and suffering, and we don't notice or even think about it.
我们周围的事物包括饮食、性行为、死亡和痛苦，但我们没有注意到，甚至没有想到它们。
So did you feel weird at all when he was squealing at the end?
那么当他最后尖叫的时候你有没有感觉很奇怪？
Did that make you feel strange at all?
这让你感觉很奇怪吗？
Well, you never really like something to suffer.
好吧，你从来都不喜欢受苦。
And it definitely was not very happy.
这绝对不是很高兴。
But the pinkie was going to die anyways.
但小指无论如何都会死。
I guess there's a difference if it's being fed, if there's a purpose to it, if it's part of the chain.
我想如果它被喂养，如果它有目的，如果它是链条的一部分，那就有区别了。
Well, it's no different to the snake.
好吧，这和蛇没有什么不同。
The snake doesn't really seem to care if the mouse squeals or not.
蛇似乎并不真正关心老鼠是否尖叫。
Is it any different to the mouse?
和鼠标有什么不同吗？
Yeah, maybe a little bit, but it's dying anyways.
是的，也许有一点，但无论如何它都会死。
It dies a little faster, or it dies a little slower possibly.
它死得快一点，或者死得慢一点。
So I cared more.
所以我更关心。
The snake didn't care.
蛇并不在意。
Who knows if the mouse did.
谁知道老鼠有没有。
So who matters?
那么谁重要呢？
Whose opinion do I go by here?
我在这里遵循谁的意见？
Why should I go mine?
我为什么要走我的？
At the end of our photoshoot, Catherine carefully picks up the snake and carries it back to its cage.
在我们的照片拍摄结束时，凯瑟琳小心地抱起蛇并将其带回笼子。
There's a bulge about a third of the way down the snake's body where the pinkie is being digested.
蛇身体三分之一处有一个凸起，小指正在被消化。
Before I leave, Catherine pours us a glass of wine, and we sit on the floor for a little while playing with a couple of her full-grown mice, letting them run over our hands and up our arms.
在我离开之前，凯瑟琳给我们倒了一杯酒，我们坐在地板上玩了一会儿她的几只成年老鼠，让它们从我们的手上跑到我们的手臂上。
They're tiny and warm, and through their fur, we can feel their little hearts beating.
它们又小又温暖，透过它们的皮毛，我们可以感受到它们小小的心脏在跳动。
[MUSIC -- "INSECT COLLECTOR" BY SHONEN KNIFE]
[音乐——少年刀的《昆虫收集者》]
Paul Tough.
保罗·强硬。
Catherine Chalmers' pictures are in a book called Food Chain: Encounters Between Mates, Predators, and Prey.
凯瑟琳·查默斯的照片出现在一本名为《食物链：配偶、捕食者和猎物之间的遭遇》的书中。
Coming up, animal radio theater by David Sedaris, and animal research from Scott Carrier.
即将推出大卫·塞达里斯 (David Sedaris) 的动物广播剧和斯科特·卡里尔 (Scott Carrier) 的动物研究。
That's all in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，国际公共广播电台将向您通报所有内容。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a topic, and tackle that topic with documentaries, short fiction, radio monologues, found tape, anything we can think of.
当然，每周在我们的节目中，我们都会选择一个主题，并用纪录片、短篇小说、广播独白、找到的磁带以及我们能想到的任何东西来解决该主题。
Today's topic, animals and the animalness of animals.
今天的主题是动物和动物的兽性。
We've arrived at Act Two of our program, which is basically more animals eating other animals.
我们已经到了计划的第二幕，基本上是更多的动物吃其他动物。
But first a little story.
但首先是一个小故事。
A little girl is given a new sweater, an ugly new sweater which she hates.
一个小女孩得到了一件新毛衣，一件她讨厌的难看的新毛衣。
She takes the sweater, puts it on the floor, takes a nap, and when she wakes up, her sweater's been chewed to shreds.
她拿起毛衣，把它放在地板上，小睡了一会儿，当她醒来时，她的毛衣已经被咬成了碎片。
She, of course, could not be happier, but her mother's very upset, cries a little.
她当然高兴极了，但她妈妈却非常难过，还哭了一会儿。
The girl blames the dog, a little spaniel named Kathleen.
女孩把责任归咎于那只名叫凯瑟琳的小猎犬。
I demand a fair hearing.
我要求公平的听证会。
I won't take the blame.
我不会承担责任。
Kathleen the spaniel then stood to proclaim.
西班牙猎犬凯瑟琳随后站起来宣布。
I didn't do nothing.
我什么也没做。
I'm just not the sort.
我只是不是那种人。
I'll see you in hell first, or animal court.
我会先在地狱或动物法庭见。
David Sedaris has written a play for our program.
大卫·塞达里斯为我们的节目写了一个剧本。
This play is an original radio play entirely in rhymed couplets.
该剧是一部完全对联的原创广播剧。
In this play, the animals do lots of things that humans do.
在这部剧中，动物们做了很多人类所做的事情。
For example, they talk.
例如，他们说话。
And they hold court out in the forest.
他们在森林里打球。
But in this play, also, every now and then-- unlike most fairy tales, unlike most movies about animals or stories about animals-- these animals reassert their animalness.
但在这部剧中，与大多数童话故事、大多数关于动物的电影或关于动物的故事不同，这些动物时不时地重申它们的动物性。
Our play begins as Kathleen the spaniel heads out into the forest and our narrator, the little girl who owns her, follows behind.
我们的戏剧开始于西班牙猎犬凯瑟琳走进森林，我们的叙述者，她的主人小女孩，跟在后面。
I waited till late and crept out.
我等到很晚才偷偷溜出去。
It was dark.
天黑了。
I was deep in the forest when I heard a bark.
当我听到狗叫声时，我正在森林深处。
It was Kathleen, my spaniel, kneeling before an old dog, a judge.
那是凯瑟琳，我的西班牙猎犬，跪在一条老狗面前，它是一位法官。
And this elder, he wore a dark floor-length robe.
而这位长老，则是穿着一件深色的及地长袍。
I think it was silk.
我认为那是丝绸。
He paused then and lapped from a bowl of skim milk.
然后他停了下来，舔了一碗脱脂牛奶。
This court is in session.
本法庭正在开庭。
Oh, Jesus, I oughtta lay off the scraps when they serve enchiladas.
哦，天哪，当他们供应辣酱玉米饼馅时，我应该把残羹剩饭扔掉。
He patted his chest with potato-sized paws, then pounded his gavel and laid down the law.
他用土豆大小的爪子拍拍自己的胸口，然后敲击木槌，制定了法律。
There'll be no witness-leading, no swearing or shedding, no tampering, catcalls, or evidence-shredding.
不会有证人引导，不会咒骂或吐口水，不会篡改、嘘声或粉碎证据。
I call on the state now to start prosecution.
我现在呼吁国家开始起诉。
Defense will then counter to prove absolution.
然后辩方将反驳以证明赦免。
The clearing was silent.
空地上一片寂静。
A cat took the floor, a smooth-talking tongue with a high pompadour.
一只猫占据了发言权，它有着圆滑的舌头和高高的蓬巴杜发型。
Your Honor, destruction's no small misdemeanor.
法官大人，破坏是不小的轻罪。
The accused here is vicious.
这里的被告是恶毒的。
We should quarantine her.
我们应该隔离她。
Now I plan to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Kathleen the spaniel engaged in a bout of senseless destruction.
现在我计划毫无疑问地证明西班牙猎犬凯瑟琳进行了一场毫无意义的破坏。
She's got no remorse, a fact that I'm hoping to prove in due course.
她毫无悔意，我希望在适当的时候证明这一点。
I call to the stand now one eyewitness worm.
我现在请一名目击者出庭作证。
She was there on the scene.
她就在现场。
Her memory's firm.
她的记忆很牢固。
It seemed like a lifetime.
仿佛过了一辈子。
The worm took forever to inch to the stand and begin her endeavor.
蠕虫花了很长时间才慢慢靠近站台并开始她的努力。
Yes, I'm a worm, true.
是的，我是一条蠕虫，没错。
I live in the soil.
我生活在土壤里。
Only in rain do I earthwards unfoil.
只有在雨中我才能向大地展开。
On this day in question, we had a fierce shower, so using my well-known abdominal power, I lifted myself from the earth's muddy ground.
那天，我们下了一场猛烈的阵雨，所以我利用我熟知的腹肌力量，把自己从泥泞的地面上抬起来。
I crawled and I climbed and eventually found myself on a window ledge, me, just a worm, a fact I would like to now briefly confirm.
我爬啊爬，最终发现自己站在窗台上，我，只是一条蠕虫，现在我想简单地确认一下这一事实。
My eyesight is faultless.
我的视力没有问题。
I know what I've seen.
我知道我看到了什么。
The defendant herself, the spaniel Kathleen, engaged in destruction against this thing's sweater.
被告本人，西班牙猎犬凯瑟琳，参与了对这件东西的毛衣的破坏。
She used it as a sort of an appetite-whetter.
她用它来刺激食欲。
She gnawed at the fabric and tugged at the collar, and knowing no way I could stop her or stall her, I stood a mute witness.
她啃着布料，拉扯衣领，我知道我无法阻止她或阻止她，我只是一个沉默的见证人。
I watched in disgust.
我厌恶地看着。
I think it's appalling.
我认为这太可怕了。
I find it unjust.
我觉得这不公平。
That dog's no puppy.
那只狗不是小狗。
She should have known better than to lie on a mattress digesting a sweater.
她应该知道最好不要躺在床垫上消化一件毛衣。
If you want my opinion, I think you oughtta put her away.
如果你想听听我的意见，我想你应该把她赶走。
She's a heinous marauder.
她是一个十恶不赦的掠夺者。
The worm had concluded.
蠕虫已经结束了。
She'd finished her say and reached for a thimble of cold consomme.
她说完，伸手去拿一顶冰冷的清汤。
Your witness.
你的见证人。
Narrator The cat said.
旁白猫说道。
I watched as a wren hopped to the floor where the cat once had been.
我看到一只鹪鹩跳到猫曾经待过的地板上。
Your Honor, it's clear that this worm is deceptive.
法官大人，很明显这个蠕虫是具有欺骗性的。
I'm wondering now if she might be receptive to proving her eyesight is all that she claims.
我现在想知道她是否愿意证明她的视力就是她所声称的一切。
I'd like her to read from this short list of names.
我希望她读出这份简短的名单。
The bird took a book written in Lebanese, and carried it out past the pond to the trees.
这只鸟拿起一本用黎巴嫩语写的书，把它带到池塘边的树林里。
Can you read this name here?
你能在这里读到这个名字吗？
It's first on the list.
它位于列表的第一位。
That's too far away.
那太遥远了。
Narrator The angry worm hissed.
旁白 愤怒的蠕虫发出嘶嘶声。
I can't read that far, not even in day.
我读不了那么远，即使是白天也读不了。
You might as well post it in Rome or Pompeii.
你不妨把它张贴在罗马或庞贝。
So your sight-- Narrator Said the bird, keen on proving a point.
所以你的视线——解说员说道，鸟儿热衷于证明一个观点。
Is something you boast upon when you anoint this court with your presence, the all-seeing worm.
当你用你的存在，全视蠕虫来涂抹这个法庭时，这是你夸耀的东西。
Your sight is on par with an old pachyderm.
你的视力与老厚皮动物相当。
You're small and deceitful.
你很小而且很虚伪。
You crawled to no ledge.
你没有爬到任何壁架上。
You witnessed no crime like the one you allege.
您没有亲眼目睹您所指控的犯罪行为。
Stop talking to me in your harsh legalese.
别再用你严厉的法律术语跟我说话了。
I know what I saw.
我知道我看到了什么。
I can't read Lebanese.
我看不懂黎巴嫩语。
Still, though, I saw it.
尽管如此，我还是看到了。
I've seen lots of things.
我见过很多东西。
I've noticed you, pooch and take off on your wings.
我注意到你了，你展翅飞翔。
I know all about you.
我知道你的一切。
My word is my honor.
我的话就是我的荣誉。
She looked at the bird then, a certified goner.
她看着那只鸟，证明它已经死了。
The wren whispered softly, as if to confirm, and then she lunged forward, beheading the worm.
鹪鹩轻轻地低语了一声，似乎在确认，然后她向前猛冲，斩下了蠕虫的头。
She's eating my witness.
她正在吃掉我的证人。
Narrator The bird, in a grand show of physical fitness, finished the worm and returned to her perch, the lowest-hung branch of a young silver birch.
叙述者 这只鸟在一场盛大的体能表演中，吃完了虫子，回到了它的栖息地，一棵年轻的白桦树最低的树枝上。
The cat called a witness, a chubby black cricket I'd seen once or twice in my room eat a ticket to movies or plays.
那只猫叫来了证人，一只胖乎乎的黑蟋蟀，我在房间里见过一两次，它吃掉了一张电影票或戏剧票。
This thing, it ate paper.
这东西，它吃纸。
It's body was small, just the size of a caper.
它的身体很小，只有刺山柑大小。
I'm a cricket, I am, and to hell with your court,
我是一只蟋蟀，我就是，让你的法庭见鬼去吧，
Said the cricket, her vocal cords fierce in retort.
蟋蟀说道，她的声带激烈地反驳道。
I have no use for your system.
我对你的系统没有任何用处。
It's false and oppressive.
这是虚假和压抑的。
The lawyer's behavior is passive-aggressive.
律师的行为是被动攻击性的。
You're saying you want me to be more specific?
你是说你想让我说得更具体？
I'll tell you I find your whole species horrific.
我会告诉你，我发现你们整个物种都很可怕。
We live day to day, us and grasshoppers too.
我们每天都在生活，我们和蚱蜢也是如此。
You bark and you chirp, you low or you mew, then head to your nest for a night's hibernation, while we're out there fighting for true liberation.
你吠叫、叽叽喳喳、低声叫喊，然后回到你的巢穴冬眠一晚，而我们则在那里为真正的解放而战。
You rise from your beds and meet in this clearing to practice your justice.
你们从床上起来，在这片空地上见面，以实践你们的正义。
It's all profiteering.
都是暴利。
Your system's disgusting.
你的系统太恶心了
It's rotten and stinky, and if you think I'll raise my right hand or my pinkie in honor to you, then you are quite mistaken.
它又腐又臭，如果你认为我会举起右手或小指向你致敬，那么你就大错特错了。
I saw something, true, but no statement I'm making.
我确实看到了一些东西，但我没有发表任何声明。
I won't say a word till you promise protection.
在你保证保护之前我不会说一句话。
Contempt, Narrator Cried the bird.
蔑视，旁白鸟叫道。
The cat yelled,
猫叫道，
Objection.
反对。
Cricket This justice you claim, it's all based on species.
蟋蟀 你所主张的正义，都是基于物种的。
I'd rather kneel down on the ground and eat feces than kowtow to you and your justice-achieving.
我宁愿跪在地上吃屎，也不愿给你和你的伸张正义磕头。
I'm no friend of yours.
我不是你的朋友。
Do you hear me?
你听到我说话了吗？
I'm leaving.
我要走了。
The court was in chaos.
法庭一片混乱。
The cricket hopped off.
蟋蟀跳了下来。
She flew through the air just like Baryshnikov.
她就像巴雷什尼科夫一样在空中飞翔。
The bird then, she followed it into the thicket and returned having eaten that hot-tempered cricket.
然后，她跟着那只鸟走进了灌木丛，吃了那只脾气暴躁的蟋蟀回来了。
There was no objection, no cry of foul play.
没有人反对，也没有人喊冤。
The judge and the lawyers gave a silent OK.
法官和律师们默然同意。
Next witness, Narrator The judge barked.
下一位证人，旁白 法官咆哮道。
Allow me to mention we're holding this court with the sole good intention of seeking the truth, of meriting justice.
请允许我提一下，我们开庭审理的唯一目的是寻求真相、伸张正义。
It helps when you call up a witness who will trust us.
当您传唤一位信任我们的证人时，这会有所帮助。
I now call a squirrel, a trustworthy witness, a very nice girl.
我现在称一只松鼠为值得信赖的证人，一个非常好的女孩。
Hard-working and thrifty, she lives in that elm.
她勤劳节俭，住在那棵榆树里。
I'm hoping my colleague will not overwhelm or badger my witness.
我希望我的同事不会压制或骚扰我的证人。
She's timid and shy.
她胆怯又害羞。
The judge took an aspirin and shouted out,
法官服下一片阿司匹林，大声喊道：
Why don't you bring on this witness.
你为什么不带这个证人来呢？
Enough of your chatter.
你的闲聊够了。
Let's hope that this squirrel can finish the matter.
希望这只松鼠能够结束这件事吧。
I'm tired and hungry, so please let's proceed.
我又累又饿，所以请继续吧。
Indeed, you're stalling this court with your warbling and rambling.
事实上，你的喋喋不休和胡言乱语正在拖延法庭的进程。
I'm thinking, Your Honor, defense is just gambling.
我在想，法官大人，防守就是赌博。
She's playing for time.
她是在争取时间。
It's a transparent tactic.
这是一种透明的策略。
Some call it clever.
有人称之为聪明。
I call it didactic.
我称之为说教。
Your Honor, forgive me.
法官大人，请原谅我。
I call your attention to my leading witness, that squirrel I mentioned.
我请你们注意我的主要证人，我提到的那只松鼠。
There was no need to prompt her, no need to coerce.
不需要催促，不需要强迫。
The squirrel entered talking.
松鼠开始说话了。
She set down her purse.
她放下钱包。
And, crossing her legs, lady-like, at the shin, the squirrel eyewitness began to weigh in.
这位松鼠目击者像淑女一样交叉着双腿，开始发表意见。
I saw it.
我看到了。
I did, the whole thing, and it reeks.
我做了，整个事情，而且很臭。
I was sitting there calmly, with nuts in my cheeks.
我平静地坐在那里，脸颊发红。
I gather them daily.
我每天都会收集它们。
These nuts are my diet.
这些坚果是我的饮食。
An acorn, a pecan-- you name it, I'll try it.
橡子、山核桃——只要你能想到的，我都会尝试。
Sometimes I'll hide them.
有时我会把它们藏起来。
I'll dig them a grave for some later time when we have a cold wave.
等寒潮来临的时候，我会给他们挖个坟墓。
It ain't easy digging through thick ice and snow.
在厚厚的冰雪中挖掘并不容易。
I think we all know that winter is frosty.
我想我们都知道冬天是寒冷的。
It's chilly and tough.
天气又冷又硬。
In terms of her hardship, we've all heard enough.
至于她的辛苦，我们都听够了。
Get on with your story.
继续你的故事。
Enough of your woes.
你的烦恼够了。
Well, the rest of it goes, I was searching for food then was out on my rounds.
好吧，剩下的事情就这样了，我当时正在寻找食物，然后就出去巡视了。
My sister remarked that I'd gained a few pounds in my hips and my shoulders.
我姐姐说我的臀部和肩膀增加了几磅。
She thought it looked smashing.
她认为它看起来很粉碎。
I respect her opinion, and so I was dashing to something I saw.
我尊重她的意见，所以我就冲向我看到的东西。
It resembled a kernel of corn, so I thought, but it seems the infernal nugget in question turned out to be gum.
我想，它看起来像一颗玉米粒，但看起来这个地狱般的金块原来是口香糖。
It was chewed in a wad just the size of crumb.
它被嚼成一团面包屑大小的东西。
I was out of my mind, man, I wanted a snack.
我疯了，伙计，我想吃点零食。
Objection, Your Honor, she's getting off-track,
反对，法官大人，她偏离了轨道，
The cat lawyer cried.
猫律师哭了。
Cat Let's get on with the crime.
猫 让我们继续犯罪吧。
My witness needs time to set up her scene of emotional stress.
我的证人需要时间来布置她的情绪压力场景。
She's said to have suffered from mental duress.
据说她遭受了精神胁迫。
So, anyway, right, if my memory serves, I was searching the ground for some type of hors d'oeuvres when I heard in the distance the sound of a voice.
所以，无论如何，如果我没记错的话，我正在地上寻找某种开胃小菜，这时我听到远处有声音。
It sounded quite angry, so I made the choice.
听起来很生气，所以我做出了选择。
I peeked through the window and sat on my haunches, and then I became, for a brief while, unconscious.
我从窗户往外看，然后蹲在地上，然后我就失去了知觉。
It happens sometimes.
有时会发生这种情况。
I have these brief spells.
我有这些短暂的咒语。
I can't say for certain, but something compels my brain to relax, causing me to black out.
我不能肯定地说，但有什么东西迫使我的大脑放松，导致我昏厥。
You know, I was hit in the head with a large brussel sprout last summer.
你知道，去年夏天我的头被一根大球芽甘蓝击中了。
I think it was early July.
我想那是七月初。
I think that's the reason.
我想这就是原因。
I'm not certain why.
我不确定为什么。
Your mind is so frail.
你的心灵是如此脆弱。
I'm wondering, though, if your story entails the facts of this case.
不过，我想知道你的故事是否包含本案的事实。
Is there any connection between the accused and your brain imperfection?
被告和你的大脑缺陷之间有任何联系吗？
Technically, yes, Narrator The squirrel said, beaming.
从技术上讲，是的，解说员松鼠微笑着说道。
My body was there, but my mind was dreaming.
我的身体在那里，但我的思想却在做梦。
I was there at the scene.
我当时就在现场。
That I know for a fact.
我知道这是事实。
I was hoping by speaking I might extract some detail, something I maybe could mention to justify all of this lavish attention.
我希望通过发言我可以提取一些细节，我也许可以提到一些细节来证明所有这些过度关注的合理性。
I find it exciting, dramatic, suspense.
我觉得这很令人兴奋、充满戏剧性、充满悬念。
It all suits me perfect, because in a sense, I enjoy public speaking.
这一切都非常适合我，因为从某种意义上说，我喜欢公开演讲。
I love center stage.
我喜欢中央舞台。
The bird then approached, feathers standing in rage.
然后那只鸟靠近了，羽毛愤怒地竖立着。
You said you had seen things, that you were compliant and had information concerning my client.
你说你已经看到了一些事情，你很顺从，并且掌握了有关我客户的信息。
I might have, you know, but I can't say for certain.
你知道，我可能有，但我不能肯定。
I know what I told you, but now I'm reverting.
我知道我告诉过你什么，但现在我要恢复原样了。
Is this microphone on?
这个麦克风打开了吗？
Hello?
你好？
Do you mind if I sing?
你介意我唱歌吗？
[SINGS]
[歌唱]
The bird slapped the stand with the tip of her wing and spat in discuss.
鸟儿用翅膀拍打着架子，吐口水议论着。
Your witness, Narrator She said.
你的证人，旁白她说。
The cat flexed his paws, and then used them to shred that squirrel to ribbons.
猫伸出爪子，然后用它们把那只松鼠撕成丝带。
He tore her to bits.
他把她撕成碎片。
And ate everything but her eyes and armpits.
吃掉了除了眼睛和腋窝以外的所有东西。
And then he pounced forward and firmly procured between his firm jaws that lawyering bird.
然后他向前扑去，用他坚韧的下巴牢牢地抓住了那只律师鸟。
Objection, Your Honor.
反对，法官大人。
I feel I'm being eaten.
我感觉我被吃掉了
I don't like the way my colleague is treatin' the legal profession, especially me.
我不喜欢我的同事对待法律职业的方式，尤其是我。
I'm soon to become a full-fledged amputee.
我很快就会成为一名完全的截肢者。
That was all that I heard.
这就是我所听到的一切。
The rest was too muffled.
其余的都太压抑了。
I watched for a while as the two of them scuffled.
我看了一会儿他们两个扭打起来。
The cat took the bird right down to the beak.
猫把鸟直接抓到了嘴边。
The judge rose, then asking if now he might speak.
法官站起来，然后问他现在是否可以发言。
To the cat in my chambers, a brief legal chat.
对我房间里的猫进行简短的法律交谈。
The judge then walked off, and I watched as the cat foolishly followed that judge past a stump to a field of tires once used as a dump.
然后法官走开了，我看着那只猫愚蠢地跟着法官经过一个树桩，来到了曾经用作垃圾场的轮胎田。
I heard the cat hiss then, and then [INAUDIBLE].
然后我听到猫发出嘶嘶声，然后[听不清]。
I can't say for certain who struck the first blow, but I can say who won.
我不能肯定谁先发制人，但我可以说谁赢了。
I know that the judge stepped out of his chambers unable to budge.
我知道法官走出法庭时一动不动。
He belched and he sagged, both lips heavy with fur, and looked out at the courtroom where others once were.
他打了个嗝，身体垮了下来，双唇都长满了厚厚的毛，他看着外面的法庭，那里是其他人曾经待过的地方。
I find you not guilty, Narrator He said to my spaniel.
我发现你无罪，旁白他对我的西班牙猎犬说。
But if I every hear so much as a granule of trouble from you, then I'll put you away.
但如果我从你那里听到哪怕一点点麻烦，我就会把你赶走。
Thank you, Your Honor.
谢谢您，法官大人。
Narrator I heard Kathleen say.
旁白我听到凯瑟琳说。
Go on, now.
继续吧，现在。
Get out of here.
离开这里。
Hurry along.
快点走吧。
Get back to your home, back to where you belong.
回到你的家，回到属于你的地方。
I waited for Kathleen beside a small creek.
我在一条小溪边等凯瑟琳。
She passed me, despondent, refusing to speak.
她从我身边走过，心情沮丧，拒绝说话。
And me, I returned to my comfortable bed, thinking of how, by some fluke, I'd been led to animal court, that harsh hostile scene, that by chance thought to spare my companion, Kathleen.
而我，我回到了舒适的床上，想着我是如何因某种侥幸而被带到动物法庭的，那严酷的敌对场景，我偶然想到要饶过我的同伴凯瑟琳。
The Pinetree Gang.
松树帮。
Amy Sedaris, David Rakoff, Toby Warey, Stacy Goldstein, Jackie Hoffman, Nora Ladonny, Sarah Tire, and Richard Zaragoza.
艾米·塞德丽丝、大卫·拉考夫、托比·韦里、史黛西·戈德斯坦、杰基·霍夫曼、诺拉·拉东尼、莎拉·泰尔和理查德·萨拉戈萨。
Story by David Sedaris.
大卫·塞达里斯的故事。
[MUSIC -- "ROCKY RACCOON" BY LENA HORNE]
[音乐——莉娜·霍恩的《洛奇浣熊》]
Act Three, The Moment When Humans Stopped Being Animals.
第三幕，人类不再是动物的那一刻。
If you ask anthropologists the moment that humans divide off from the animal kingdom, it's the moment that our ape-like ancestors started walking upright on two legs.
如果你问人类学家，人类从动物王国中分离出来的那一刻，就是我们的类人猿祖先开始用两条腿直立行走的那一刻。
For people who don't believe that God created the earth in six days, that moment is our origin.
对于那些不相信上帝在六天内创造了地球的人来说，那一刻就是我们的起源。
That's our Book of Genesis.
这就是我们的创世记。
That is the mythic point where we began.
这就是我们开始的神话点。
But nobody knows why these pre-humans started walking around on two legs instead of loping around on all fours the way that most animals do.
但没有人知道为什么这些前人类开始用两条腿走路，而不是像大多数动物那样用四肢大步走动。
There are different theories but no consensus among scientists.
科学家们有不同的理论，但尚未达成共识。
Well, 10 years ago, Scott Carrier decided to do some research on his own, and he made this radio report.
嗯，十年前，斯科特·卡里尔决定自己做一些研究，他做了这篇广播报道。
There they go.
他们就在那里。
Do you see them crossing over there?
你看到他们从那边走过来了吗？
No. David Carrier Over to the right, quite a ways away in fact.
不，大卫·卡里尔（David Carrier）在右边，实际上距离很远。
Way out there.
出路在那里。
A couple of years ago, my brother and I went to Wyoming to run down an antelope.
几年前，我和哥哥去怀俄明州追捕羚羊。
I only see three over there.
我在那里只看到三个。
David Carrier Well, there were about eight down there.
大卫·卡里尔 嗯，下面大约有八个人。
Yeah.
是的。
Scott Carrier It was August and our plan was to chase one animal until it overheated and collapsed.
斯科特·卡里尔 那是八月，我们的计划是追逐一只动物，直到它过热崩溃。
It just took off on running.
它刚刚开始跑步。
Scott Carrier OK.
斯科特·开利 好的。
Do you want to follow it?
你想关注它吗？
Scott Carrier Yeah.
斯科特·开利 是的。
[INAUDIBLE].
[听不清]。
Scott Carrier We had good reasons for what we were doing.
Scott Carrier 我们所做的事情有充分的理由。
One was that it seemed entirely possible.
一是这似乎完全有可能。
Another had to do with an argument concerning human evolution.
另一个与关于人类进化的争论有关。
It's a scientific argument, so it takes a few minutes to explain.
这是一个科学论证，所以需要几分钟的时间来解释。
Remember the scene in 2001, where an ape-man realizes he can use a bone as a weapon and murders another ape-man?
还记得 2001 年的场景吗？一名猿人意识到他可以用骨头作为武器，并谋杀了另一名猿人？
Then he throws the bone in the air and it becomes a space station orbiting the earth.
然后他把骨头扔到空中，骨头就变成了一个绕地球运行的空间站。
The theory behind this scene is that we separated from the apes when we stood upright and freed our hands to make and use tools, especially weapon-type tools for hunting and killing other animals.
这个场景背后的理论是，当我们直立时，我们就与猿类分离了，解放了双手来制造和使用工具，特别是用于猎杀其他动物的武器类工具。
It's called the hunting hypothesis, and there's nothing wrong with it except that we don't have any physical evidence to support it.
这就是所谓的狩猎假说，除了我们没有任何物理证据支持它之外，它没有任何问题。
We just haven't found any tools or weapons that are that old.
我们只是还没有发现任何那么古老的工具或武器。
Well, some of the work that my brother does as a biologist made him interested in another theory of human evolution.
嗯，我哥哥作为生物学家所做的一些工作使他对另一种人类进化理论产生了兴趣。
You might call it the running hypothesis.
您可以将其称为运行假设。
He believed that he and I were probably good enough runners to be able to run down big game without using any weapons at all.
他相信他和我可能都是足够优秀的跑步者，能够在不使用任何武器的情况下跑完大型比赛。
And he thought that if we could do it, then maybe our early ancestors could have done it too.
他认为，如果我们能做到，那么也许我们的早期祖先也能做到。
Shortly before we went to Wyoming, I went to see Owen Lovejoy.
在我们去怀俄明州之前不久，我去见了欧文·洛夫乔伊。
He teaches anthropology at Kent State University.
他在肯特州立大学教授人类学。
We talked about the running hypothesis, and he thought it was pretty funny.
我们讨论了运行假设，他认为这很有趣。
I mean, think about it for a minute.
我的意思是，想一想。
I mean, what game are they going to run down?
我的意思是，他们会玩什么游戏？
Things like wildebeest or something?
比如牛羚什么的？
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
Zebra.
斑马。
Owen Lovejoy And they're just going to start off running after this thing without any advanced weaponry of any kind.
欧文·洛夫乔伊：他们将在没有任何先进武器的情况下开始追赶这个东西。
They've got no spears, no bow and arrow, and they just start running after a wildebeest.
他们没有长矛，没有弓箭，只是开始追赶角马。
Yeah.
是的。
Well, I think that's the idea, that they--
嗯，我认为这就是他们的想法——
Uh-huh.
嗯嗯。
The weak link in that whole behavior that you're describing is the inability of the animal to run any faster because it's so damn slow.
你所描述的整个行为中的薄弱环节是动物无法跑得更快，因为它实在是太慢了。
And it's so damn slow because it's a clumsy biped.
它是如此缓慢，因为它是一个笨拙的两足动物。
Is that an animal adapted to hunting?
这是一种适合狩猎的动物吗？
Slow, awkward, little, no olfaction, no protective vision.
缓慢、笨拙、小、没有嗅觉、没有保护性视力。
If it were an effective quadruped, it could do everything that you're describing in half the time.
如果它是一个有效的四足动物，它可以在一半的时间内完成你所描述的所有事情。
I mean, imagine a bunch of Paiute Indians that could run as rapidly and as successful as a German Shepherd dog.
我的意思是，想象一下一群派尤特印第安人可以像德国牧羊犬一样跑得又快又成功。
They'd catch the thing in three minutes and devour it.
他们会在三分钟内抓住那东西并吞掉它。
Well, I just happen to have a German Shepherd, and I take him with me when I go running.
嗯，我碰巧有一只德国牧羊犬，我跑步时会带着它。
Let's go.
我们走吧。
And Lovejoy's right.
洛夫乔伊是对的。
He's a better runner than I am.
他是一个比我更好的跑步者。
In fact, most of the time, he'd rather have me take my bicycle.
事实上，大多数时候，他宁愿让我骑自行车。
So there's no question about me being slower.
所以毫无疑问我会慢一些。
But as far as being clumsy, Lovejoy calls bipedalism clumsy because of reasons that have to do with biomechanics.
但就笨拙而言，洛夫乔伊称两足行走为笨拙，因为这与生物力学有关。
Running bipedally takes twice as much energy as running quadrupedally That is, when my dog and I run, he uses half the energy that I do.
双足跑步需要的能量是四足跑步的两倍。也就是说，当我和我的狗跑步时，他消耗的能量是我的一半。
So Lovejoy and many other anthropologists think it's crazy to assume that the survival strategy of the early hominids involved running after quadrupeds.
因此，洛夫乔伊和许多其他人类学家认为，认为早期原始人类的生存策略涉及追赶四足动物的想法是疯狂的。
They've just got us beat, both in terms of speed and efficiency.
他们在速度和效率方面都击败了我们。
But the thing is, if my dog and I go running in the summer in the middle of the day, when temperatures hit 85 to 100 or more degrees, it's a whole different ballgame.
但问题是，如果我和我的狗在夏天中午去跑步，当气温达到 85 到 100 度或更高时，那就完全是另一回事了。
He'll come with me and run for a while, but then he walks and lags behind.
他会跟我一起跑一段时间，但随后他就会走，然后就落后了。
And sometimes he just goes home.
有时他就回家。
So if I'm an awkward and clumsy biped, why can I outrun my dog?
那么，如果我是一只笨拙的两足动物，为什么我能跑得过我的狗呢？
Well, it's because he overheats.
嗯，那是因为他过热了。
The main way that he and most other quadrupeds cool themselves when they run is by breathing.
他和大多数其他四足动物在奔跑时冷却自己的主要方式是呼吸。
The air coming in and going out of their mouth evaporates water off their tongues.
进出口腔的空气会蒸发舌头上的水分。
We do this too, but we do it all over our body by sweating, and then we get a nice flow of air directly over our skin, because we don't have a fur coat.
我们也这样做，但我们是通过出汗来全身进行的，然后我们的皮肤上就会有良好的空气流动，因为我们没有毛皮大衣。
So we can't run as fast as a quadruped, but we can run farther, especially in high heat.
所以我们不能跑得像四足动物那么快，但我们可以跑得更远，尤其是在高温下。
And when you remember that we're using twice the energy, this seems like a very strange biological paradox.
当你记得我们使用了两倍的能量时，这似乎是一个非常奇怪的生物悖论。
And it was this paradox, combined with the argument about not being able to hunt without tools, that made my brother and I decide that it was time to try to run down an antelope.
正是这种悖论，再加上没有工具就无法狩猎的争论，让我和兄弟决定是时候尝试追捕羚羊了。
Antilocapra americana, the pronghorn, the second-fastest land mammal on the planet.
美洲叉角羚，是地球上第二快的陆地哺乳动物。
We thought that if we could keep one running for two hours on a hot day, we'd have it beat.
我们认为，如果我们能让一个设备在大热天运行两个小时，我们就能击败它。
What happened?
发生了什么？
David Carrier They didn't give me a chance.
大卫·卡里尔 他们没有给我机会。
I was able to follow them for about 30 minutes, but the problem was I wasn't sure if I was following the same ones I started following.
我能够关注他们大约 30 分钟，但问题是我不确定我是否关注了我开始关注的那些人。
Because I started out following four-- a buck, two does, and a younger one.
因为我一开始就追了四只——一只公鹿，两只，还有一只更小的。
And after about 10 minutes, they ran into a group of about five more antelope, went over a hill.
大约10分钟后，他们又遇到了一群大约五只羚羊，翻过了一座小山。
And then on the other side of the hill, they broke into two groups again.
然后在山的另一边，他们又分成了两队。
And so I think I ended up following the same four, but I couldn't be sure.
所以我想我最终遵循了同样的四个，但我不能确定。
And I followed them for another 15 minutes, and then they ran into a much larger group, ran for a ways.
我又跟着他们15分钟，然后他们遇到了一个更大的群体，跑了一段路。
And I followed that larger group for a while, and then that group broke into at least two more groups.
我跟随那个更大的群体一段时间，然后那个群体至少又分成了两个群体。
And at that point I just sort of gave up and quit following them, because I didn't know which individuals I was chasing.
那时我就放弃了，不再追随他们，因为我不知道我在追赶哪些人。
And then I got confused on the roads.
然后我在路上感到困惑。
Where's the road we were on?
我们走过的路在哪里？
Down here?
下面？
OK, what happened was I came out on this road, way over there somewhere.
好吧，发生的事情是我沿着这条路出来，就在那边的某个地方。
And I got lost.
我迷路了。
I didn't know, really, where I was.
我真的不知道我在哪里。
I was walking along that road for about 15 minutes.
我沿着那条路走了大约15分钟。
I felt like that was the wrong direction.
我觉得那是错误的方向。
So we started over there.
所以我们从那里开始。
They ran a circle there.
他们在那里跑了一圈。
I don't remember crossing this road, but I must have, originally, early on.
我不记得穿过这条路，但我一定很早就穿过了。
This one?
这个？
David Carrier They ran in a circle.
大卫·卡里尔 他们跑了一圈。
They came back.
他们回来了。
Hey there listeners, I'm just going to interrupt right here.
嘿，听众们，我要在这里打断一下。
This is an old episode from 1996, and we have a music rights issue.
这是 1996 年的老剧集，我们有音乐版权问题。
So we can't play you this next little patch of the story.
所以我们不能给你播放故事的下一小部分。
But I'm just going to summarize it for you, very briefly.
但我只想为您简要总结一下。
It's not that long of a section.
这一段的长度并不长。
Basically, what happens is, Scott and his brother talk about what to do next.
基本上，发生的事情是，斯科特和他的兄弟讨论下一步该做什么。
And his brother says they should go out and look for more.
他的兄弟说他们应该出去寻找更多。
Scott asks, you mean forget about these?
斯科特问，你的意思是忘记这些？
And his brother says he doesn't know where these ones went.
他的兄弟说他不知道这些东西去了哪里。
Scott writes, It could have been the Serengeti-- orange and green and purple plains, a hot sun, thin high clouds, blue mountains on the horizon.
斯科特写道，这可能是塞伦盖蒂——橙色、绿色和紫色的平原，炎热的太阳，薄薄的高云，地平线上的蓝色山脉。
It could have been the Serengeti, but we were no primitive hunters.
它可能是塞伦盖蒂，但我们不是原始猎人。
We quickly realized we knew nothing about the animal we were chasing or the land we were running on.
我们很快意识到我们对我们正在追逐的动物或我们正在奔跑的土地一无所知。
We ran after several herds that first day without much success.
第一天我们追赶了几群牛群，但没有取得多大成功。
Alright, we'll pick up the story from there.
好吧，我们就从那里继续故事。
That night, sleeping out, I remember feeling very high in terms of elevation, like being dizzy.
那天晚上，在外面睡觉时，我记得感觉海拔很高，就像头晕一样。
There weren't any clouds in the sky, and it just seemed like too much open space.
天空没有一丝云彩，看起来就像是一片开阔的空间。
Satellites in orbit, the moon in orbit, and antelope in the bushes, chewing their cuds and laughing amongst themselves.
卫星在轨道上运行，月球在轨道上运行，羚羊在灌木丛中反刍着，互相大笑。
The next morning, we ate a breakfast of chocolate chip cookies and orange juice, and walked around waiting for the air to heat up.
第二天早上，我们吃了巧克力饼干和橙汁的早餐，然后四处走动，等待空气变暖。
What is it?
它是什么？
David Carrier It's a white-tailed jackrabbit.
大卫·卡里尔 这是一只白尾长耳大野兔。
We found dead animals, bare bones, an abandoned house.
我们发现了死去的动物、光秃秃的骨头、一座废弃的房子。
We saw dust devils, horned toads, an eagle.
我们看到了尘暴、角蟾蜍和鹰。
We found a small lake, some badlands, and a rattlesnake.
我们发现了一个小湖、一些荒地和一条响尾蛇。
Wow.
哇。
Scott Carrier It never did get very hot that day, but in the afternoon, we had a good long chase after a female and two males.
斯科特·卡里尔：那天天气并没有变得很热，但在下午，我们对一只雌性和两只雄性进行了长时间的追逐。
They ran in circles around an area of about 10 square miles.
他们绕着大约10平方英里的区域跑了一圈。
There were two hills and a long smooth valley in between, and the chase went up and around and back and forth between these hills, the antelope running short periods of time but covering long distances and then stopping and waiting for us to catch up.
中间有两座山，中间有一条长长的光滑山谷，追逐在这些山之间来来回回，羚羊跑的时间很短，但跑了很长的距离，然后停下来等我们追上。
The two males ran behind the female, as if they were trying to protect her, and sometimes they'd all go in different directions, but we stayed behind the female and the males would eventually rejoin her.
两只雄性跑在雌性后面，好像是在保护她，有时它们会朝不同的方向走，但我们留在雌性后面，雄性最终会回到她身边。
One thing we'd learned the day before was that we could run much less distance than the antelopes by staying well inside their circle, and we were also starting to communicate with each other over long distances.
前一天我们了解到的一件事是，通过留在羚羊的圈子内，我们可以比羚羊跑得短得多的距离，而且我们也开始在长距离上相互交流。
For instance, if my brother was on top of one of the hills, and he could see where the antelope were going, he'd point, and I wouldn't have to run to the top of the hill.
例如，如果我的兄弟在一座山顶上，他可以看到羚羊要去哪里，他就会指出，我就不必跑到山顶了。
So we were running after these three and feeling pretty good about not letting them ditch us, and a couple times, we even got within 50 yards of them.
所以我们追着这三个人跑，并且感觉很好，不让他们抛弃我们，有几次，我们甚至距离他们不到 50 码。
And I'd look into their eyes, trying to see some sign of fear or fatigue, but all I kept seeing were very quiet animals that seemed to know exactly who we were, what we were proposing, and didn't seem to be in the least bit worried.
我会看着他们的眼睛，试图看到一些恐惧或疲劳的迹象，但我一直看到的都是非常安静的动物，它们似乎确切地知道我们是谁，我们提议什么，而且似乎一点也不担心。
Anyway, we ran after these three for about an hour, and then they found a large herd, or the herd found them.
不管怎样，我们追着这三个人跑了大约一个小时，然后他们发现了一大群牛群，或者说是牛群发现了他们。
And they ran up and over a hill, and by the time we got to the top of the hill, the herd had split into three groups of about three or four antelopes each.
他们跑上一座小山，当我们到达山顶时，牛群已经分成三组，每组大约有三四只羚羊。
And each of the groups seemed to have at least one female that looked exactly like the one we'd started chasing-- the magic shell game trick again.
每个群体似乎都至少有一只雌性，看起来与我们开始追逐的雌性一模一样——这又是神奇的贝壳游戏技巧。
We weren't really all that physically tired, mainly mentally beaten, and we went home.
我们身体上并没有那么累，主要是精神上受挫，然后我们就回家了。
I haven't gone back to Wyoming for the purpose of chasing antelope, but I drive through there sometimes on my way somewhere else.
我回怀俄明州并不是为了追逐羚羊，但有时我会开车经过那里去其他地方。
And one time last spring I was going east, and there was a train along the highway also going east at about the same speed.
去年春天有一次我向东行驶，高速公路上有一列火车也以大约相同的速度向东行驶。
And suddenly there were three antelope running alongside the engine, chasing it.
突然，三只羚羊追赶着发动机。
It was incredible.
这太不可思议了。
It was even more incredible to see the three of them simultaneously speed up, pull out in front of the engine, and fly across the tracks.
更不可思议的是，三人同时加速，停在发动机前，飞过铁轨。
I pulled over and waited for the train to go by, and there they were.
我把车停在路边，等待火车经过，他们就在那里。
Three young males, looking back at me with those same black eyes and hardly breathing at all.
三个年轻男性，用同样的黑眼睛回头看着我，几乎没有呼吸。
In the years since he first recorded that story, Scott has put it into a collection of his stories, a book called, simply, Running After Antelope.
自从斯科特第一次记录这个故事以来，他将其收入了他的故事集，这本书简单地称为《追羚羊》。
[MUSIC -- "I WAN'NA BE LIKE YOU" BY LOUIS PRIMA]
[音乐——路易斯·普里玛的《I WAN'NA BE LIKE YOU》]
Well, the great Louis Prima, from The Jungle Book soundtrack.
好吧，伟大的路易斯·普里玛，来自《奇幻森林》的原声带。
Our program was produced today by Peter Clowney and me, with Alix Spiegel and Nancy Updike.
今天我们的节目由彼得·克劳尼和我、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔和南希·厄普代克共同制作。
Contributing editors for this show, Paul Tough, Jack Hitt, and Margy Rockland.
本节目的特约编辑是 Paul Tough、Jack Hitt 和 Margy Rockland。
Original music for the opening story in today's program by Jeff Muller and Jason Noble.
今天节目开场故事的原创音乐由 Jeff Muller 和 Jason Noble 创作。
Other musical help from Mr. John Connors and the Mysterious Rumpety Rattles.
约翰·康纳斯先生和神秘的朗佩蒂拉特斯乐队的其他音乐帮助。
And you know, you can download today's program and our archives at audible.com/thisamericanlife.
您知道，您可以在 audible.com/thisamericanlife 下载今天的节目和我们的档案。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight for our program by Mr. Torey Malatia, who treats his employees this way.
[资金来源] Torey Malatia 先生对 WBEZ 项目进行管理监督，他也以这种方式对待他的员工。
Must bite, must bite, must-- no, no, nice, nice-- bite, must bite, must bite.
必须咬，必须咬，必须——不，不，很好，很好——咬，必须咬，必须咬。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。