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00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 111 集 | 1998 年 9 月 11 日 111：简单生活中的历险记：《美国生活》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
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Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print.
请在印刷版引用前检查相应的音频。
Prologue Ira Glass Eustace grew up in the suburbs in North Carolina.
序言 艾拉·格拉斯·尤斯塔斯在北卡罗来纳州郊区长大。
He watched TV, ate candy, rode a bike, all pretty much like any suburban kid, until, at the age of 17, he moved out in the woods and never came back.
他看电视、吃糖果、骑自行车，一切都和郊区的孩子一样，直到 17 岁时，他搬到树林里，再也没有回来。
I had moved out into the forest.
我搬到了森林里。
I was 17 years old, and I just decided that I would try an alternative style of living.
我当时 17 岁，我决定尝试另一种生活方式。
And really, with that, I didn't think it all through in a major, complex way.
事实上，我并没有以一种主要、复杂的方式思考这一切。
I just decided I would like to try living outside.
我刚刚决定尝试去外面生活。
And so I moved out and started camping in a tepee, hunting and gathering food and making my own tools and clothes.
于是我搬出去，开始在帐篷里露营，狩猎和采集食物，自己制作工具和衣服。
And let me just be sure people understand.
让我确保人们理解。
When you're living outside, you were there year round.
当你住在外面时，你一年四季都在那里。
Yeah, totally moved out.
是的，彻底搬走了。
In fact, I've lived outside for 20 years now.
事实上，我已经在外面住了20年了。
From the time Eustace moved outside, he was interested in the past and all the things that people knew about how to live with nature, back when they had no choice about living with nature.
从尤斯塔斯搬到外面的那一刻起，他就对过去以及人们在没有选择与自然共处时所知道的如何与自然共处的所有事情感兴趣。
For years, he lived in the woods, slept in a tepee, hunted his own food with bow and arrow, made his own clothes out of deerskin, his own utensils and tools.
多年来，他住在树林里，睡在圆锥形帐篷里，用弓箭自己狩猎食物，用鹿皮做自己的衣服，自己用具和工具。
And then he started to evolve from a life as a hunter-gatherer to basic agriculture.
然后他开始从狩猎采集生活演变为基本农业。
He learned to plant and harvest, cultivated a patch of land, started raising animals, taught himself how to work with horses and mules.
他学会了种植和收割，耕种了一块土地，开始饲养动物，自学了如何使用马和骡子。
In other words, he personally went to through the major evolutionary stages that took the human species about 10,000 years during the Late Cenozoic.
也就是说，他亲历了新生代晚期人类大约一万年的主要进化阶段。
And around the same time he moved out into the forest, he had another idea, to ride a horse across America.
大约在他搬进森林的同时，他有了另一个想法，骑马穿越美国。
And I decided to do it when I was sitting around a campfire.
当我坐在篝火旁时，我决定这样做。
And I heard about a couple that was living with their horses in the national forest.
我听说有一对夫妇和他们的马一起住在国家森林里。
And it just sort of struck me.
这让我有点震惊。
It was like a thunderbolt.
犹如晴天霹雳。
It's like it came into my mind and I said-- it's like I didn't even know what was coming out of my mouth.
就好像它出现在我的脑海里，我说——就好像我什至不知道从我嘴里说出来的是什么。
I just said, I'm going to ride a horse across America someday.
我只是说，有一天我要骑马穿越美国。
And my first reaction was, well, no, not really.
我的第一反应是，嗯，不，不是真的。
Why?
为什么？
Judson Conway It just seemed like a big undertaking, and I was happy in my little life.
贾德森·康威 这似乎是一项艰巨的任务，而我的小生活却很幸福。
But then, I looked and I asked myself, well, what reason do you not have to go?
但后来，我看了看，问自己，好吧，你有什么理由不去呢？
Why shouldn't you go?
你为什么不应该去？
Why not?
为什么不呢？
And one of my biggest inspirations for going was to spend time with him.
我去的最大灵感之一就是与他共度时光。
Yeah?
是的？
17 years after he first decided to ride across America, Eustace finally set out on the trail with his brother.
尤斯塔斯第一次决定骑马穿越美国 17 年后，终于和他的兄弟一起踏上了这条路。
The ride was partly an experiment in time travel.
这次骑行在一定程度上是一次时间旅行的实验。
What happens when you try to live how people lived over a century ago?
当你尝试过一个多世纪前人们的生活时会发生什么？
It was partly a lark, an adventure.
这部分是一种乐趣，一种冒险。
Men on horses battling the elements, testing themselves, launched toward a goal they had no idea if they could reach.
骑马的人们与自然环境作斗争，考验自己，向一个他们不知道自己能否实现的目标发起进攻。
But I should tell you that for Eustace, the main idea behind this trip was not nearly so grand as all that.
但我应该告诉你，对于尤斯塔斯来说，这次旅行背后的主要想法并不那么宏伟。
For Eustace, a big part of it was simply about horses.
对于尤斯塔斯来说，其中很大一部分只是与马有关。
Eustace had been working with horses for a while when he sat out on the trail, but he knew there was just something about living with horses, working with horses, that he was going to learn if he rode so long, so steadily for months.
当尤斯塔斯坐在小路上时，他已经和马一起工作了一段时间，但他知道与马一起生活，与马一起工作，如果他几个月来如此稳定地骑行，他就会学到一些东西。
He took Judson, who had worked with horses on a ranch in Wyoming, he was a wrangler, took people on trips into the wilderness, plus an acquaintance of theirs, Susan Klimkowski, who worked for a couple years in a stable, had a horse of her own.
他带了贾德森，贾德森曾在怀俄明州的一个牧场养马，他是一名牧马人，带人们去荒野旅行，还有他们的一个熟人苏珊·克里姆科斯基，她在马厩里工作了几年，拥有一匹自己的马。
There are indoor people and there are outdoor people.
有室内的人，也有室外的人。
Susan grew up down the street from Eustace and Judson, three kids who spent a lot of time out of doors.
苏珊在尤斯塔斯和贾德森的街道上长大，这三个孩子经常在户外度过。
I grew up in a neighborhood where us kids, we all hung out and liked to run up and down the creek chasing crawdads and fish and snakes and turtles, but we lived in town.
我在一个社区长大，我们孩子们都出去玩，喜欢在小溪上跑来跑去，追逐小龙虾、鱼、蛇和乌龟，但我们住在城里。
When you look around, do you feel like most people are indoors people or most people are outdoors people that you meet?
当你环顾四周时，你觉得你遇到的大多数人都是室内人还是室外人？
Most people are indoors people, but I think they want to be outdoor.
大多数人都是呆在室内的人，但我认为他们想呆在户外。
But they don't know how to get outside and enjoy it.
但他们不知道如何走出去并享受它。
They set out on Christmas Day 1995 from a beach in South Carolina.
1995 年圣诞节，他们从南卡罗来纳州的一个海滩出发。
They carried a cassette tape recorder with them to keep a kind of audio journal of their trip.
他们随身携带了一台盒式磁带录音机，以记录他们的旅行的音频日记。
And it's those tapes that make up a lot of our show today.
正是这些磁带构成了我们今天节目的大部分内容。
So to make this history for the recorder, tell us who you are and what you're about.
因此，为了让这段历史成为记录者，请告诉我们您是谁以及您的目的。
I'm David Elliott.
我是大卫·埃利奥特。
I'm the priest here at Holy Trinity Episcopal Church.
我是圣三一圣公会教堂的牧师。
And I'll go out and bless the trip in a few minutes.
几分钟后我就会出去祝福这次旅行。
I envy you.
我羡慕你。
I think it'll be wonderful.
我想这会很棒。
Responsibilities tie me down.
责任束缚着我。
They tie everybody down.
他们束缚了每个人。
Let us pray.
让我们祈祷吧。
Dear God, our heavenly father, we give you thanks this day for the beauty of your creation.
亲爱的上帝，我们的天父，今天我们感谢您创造的美丽。
We give you thanks also for the human spirit.
我们也感谢你们的人文精神。
Guide these people on their trip all the way to California.
引导这些人一路前往加利福尼亚州。
Guide them safely, dear God.
亲爱的上帝，引导他们安全。
All this we ask in Christ's name.
这一切都是我们奉基督的名祈求的。
Amen.
阿门。
[OTHERS SAY AMEN] Ira Glass Well, from WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio international, it's This .
[其他人说阿门] Ira Glass 好吧，来自 WBEZ 芝加哥和国际公共广播电台，就是这个。
American .
美国人 。
Life .
生活 。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, Adventures in the Simple Life.
今天我们的节目《简单生活中的历险记》。
Act One, Long Riders.
第一幕，长骑手。
What you learn and what you find when you head out in the dead of winter, near the end of the 20th century, in a completely industrialized country, on a 2,500 mile horse trip.
20 世纪末，当您在隆冬时节，前往一个完全工业化的国家，进行 2,500 英里的骑马旅行时，您会学到什么，会发现什么。
Act Two, Zen Shmen.
第二幕，禅师门。
What happens when your best friend renounces everything the two of you share, everything about your lives, to go live a simpler life in the mountains in a monastery?
当你最好的朋友放弃你们两个分享的一切，放弃你们生活的一切，去山里的修道院里过一种简单的生活时，会发生什么？
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Act One, Long Riders.
第一幕，长骑手。
So when they set out, it was Eustace, Judson and Susan, four horses, one was a spare, camping gear, and a truck.
因此，当他们出发时，只有尤斯塔斯、贾德森和苏珊，四匹马，其中一匹是备用的露营装备，还有一辆卡车。
And it's kind of a crazy scheme the way that they worked the whole thing.
他们整个事情的运作方式有点疯狂。
Every day, they would wake up, and then one of the would drive the truck 20 or 30 miles ahead to wherever it was they were going to camp the next night.
每天，他们醒来，然后其中一人会驾驶卡车向前 20 或 30 英里到达他们第二天晚上要露营的地方。
And then that person would have to hitchhike back the same 20 or 30 miles, which could take hours.
然后，那个人必须搭便车返回同样的 20 或 30 英里，这可能需要几个小时。
And then, after that, they would set out on their horses and they would ride all day.
然后，在那之后，他们就会骑上马，骑上一整天。
A couple months into the trip, they had this guy named Walker Young who joined the team to drive the truck ahead and find places to camp and handle stuff like that.
旅行几个月后，他们邀请了一个名叫沃克·杨（Walker Young）的人加入团队，负责驾驶卡车前进，寻找露营地并处理类似的事情。
The other crazy 20th century adaptation to their 19th century horse ride is it they did not ride through open country.
20 世纪对 19 世纪骑马的另一个疯狂的适应是他们不再骑马穿过开阔的乡村。
They trotted along on the shoulders of highways, on the sides of roads.
他们在高速公路的路肩、路边小跑。
It seemed like the most efficient route.
这似乎是最有效的路线。
You recorded yourselves as you rode across the country on a cassette machine, about 30 hours of tape, starting with that first day.
从第一天开始，你们用录音机记录了自己骑行穿越全国的过程，大约有 30 个小时的录音带。
Can I ask you what it was like setting out?
能问一下出发的感觉如何吗？
Oh, it was easy setting out.
哦，出发很容易。
It was sort of like, OK, the day has come.
有点像，好吧，这一天已经到来了。
We're going.
我们走了。
I knew that we didn't know what we were doing.
我知道我们不知道自己在做什么。
That was OK.
没关系。
I was real satisfied with that.
我对此感到非常满意。
I personally knew that there was a big chance that we wouldn't make it.
我个人知道我们很有可能无法成功。
My partners were a little bit younger and had done less traveling, a little bit more idealistic.
我的伙伴们更年轻一些，出差的次数更少，也更理想化一些。
And so they were Gung ho.
所以他们很努力。
Yeah, we're going to do this thing.
是的，我们要做这件事。
We're going to make it.
我们会成功的。
That sound in the background is the defroster.
背景中的声音是除霜器的声音。
This is Eustace Conway on the 25th of December.
我是 12 月 25 日的尤斯塔斯·康威。
Sitting beside me-- oh, you hear that little yelp?
坐在我旁边——哦，你听到那声小叫声了吗？
Let me hear that yelp again.
让我再次听到那声尖叫。
[YELPS] Eustace Conway On Tape That was a big yelp.
[尖叫]尤斯塔斯康威在磁带上那是一声大叫。
That's Judson Conway.
那是贾德森·康威。
He's a crazy.
他是个疯子。
And then between us is the lovely lady.
然后我们之间是那位可爱的女士。
What's your name?
你叫什么名字？
Susan.
苏珊.
Eustace Conway On Tape Susan what?
尤斯塔斯·康威 录音 苏珊 什么？
Klimkowski.
克里姆科夫斯基。
Eustace Conway On Tape She's a simple lady.
尤斯塔斯·康威 (Eustace Conway) 录音带 她是一位简单的女士。
In that first day, I have to say you all sound so young and happy.
在第一天，我不得不说你们听起来都那么年轻和快乐。
We were.
我们是。
Yeah.
是的。
Eustace Conway On Tape Trotting along, trotting along, trotting along.
尤斯塔斯·康威在磁带上小跑，小跑，小跑。
Beautiful pink clouds above our head, baby blue background, the pines are dark getting black in the bottom.
我们头顶上美丽的粉红色云朵，淡蓝色的背景，松树的颜色在底部变黑。
It's hard to trot when you're halfway twisted around looking at the beauty of it.
当你在半路扭来扭去欣赏它的美景时，你很难小跑。
Man, what a day.
伙计，多么美好的一天啊。
Mmm.
嗯。
I feel fully alive, fully awake.
我感觉自己还活着，完全清醒。
It's sacred, this minute of living, of passion, with dream.
这是神圣的，生命的这一分钟，充满激情，充满梦想。
I hear that Pileated Woodpecker in the background.
我听到背景中有啄木鸟的声音。
I hear a car coming up behind me.
我听到一辆车从我身后开过来。
Just a little bit further, we'll be off the bridge.
再走一点点，我们就下桥了。
We knew almost nothing about this.
我们对此几乎一无所知。
We didn't know what we were doing.
我们不知道自己在做什么。
Even finding a route, like how were we going to go across.
甚至找到一条路线，比如我们要如何穿越。
We had a few state road maps.
我们有一些州路线图。
A few state road maps is all we had to go by.
我们所需要的只是几张州路线图。
And everybody kept saying, well, what's your route?
每个人都不停地问，那么，你的路线是什么？
How are you going to go?
你打算怎么走？
And I was like, I don't really know.
我当时想，我真的不知道。
We're heading west every day.
我们每天都在向西行驶。
It's 7:00 in the morning.
现在是早上 7:00。
This'll be our third day.
这将是我们的第三天。
It's about light enough to see out here, and the horses look well.
这里的光线足以看清外面，马匹看起来也很好。
Been going over for the last hour what we're going to do today.
过去一个小时我们一直在讨论今天要做的事情。
I think we'll drive the truck forward to highway 32.
我想我们会把卡车开到 32 号高速公路上。
Well, it's 9 o'clock, and we're riding along.
嗯，现在已经九点了，我们就上路了。
We stayed at Walter Hodges', and Clara Belle, their monkey, entertained us a little bit.
我们住在沃尔特·霍奇斯家，他们的猴子克拉拉·贝尔招待了我们一些。
They've had their monkey for years.
他们养猴子已经很多年了。
And he told us about how one time, she had gotten electrocuted by climbing up on some wires.
他告诉我们，有一次，她爬上电线而触电身亡。
And she was getting shocked, and it had been raining a little bit.
她感到震惊，天还下着小雨。
So he backed his track up and got a broom-- a dry broom-- and knocked Clara Belle off.
于是他倒车，拿了一把扫帚——一把干扫帚——把克拉拉·贝尔撞倒了。
And she was stunned on the ground.
而她也愣在了地上。
And then later in the evening, he said, what do you think about the monkey?
晚上晚些时候，他说，你觉得猴子怎么样？
And they had referred to it as their daughter.
他们称其为他们的女儿。
I said, well, I don't know.
我说，好吧，我不知道。
I think it's kind of strange somebody keeps their daughter tied up in the backyard and gives her electrical shock treatments and then beats her with a broom.
我认为这有点奇怪，有人把他们的女儿绑在后院，对她进行电击治疗，然后用扫帚殴打她。
I guess you had to be there.
我猜你一定在场。
We're getting our first rain right now, the first rain of the whole trip.
我们现在正在下第一场雨，也是整个旅程中的第一场雨。
It's drizzling.
下着毛毛雨。
Not much of a rain, but enough to lower our spirits enough to worry.
雨虽不大，但足以让我们心情低落、忧心忡忡。
Not my spirit, bro.
不是我的精神，兄弟。
Eustace Conway On Tape You're over here whining.
尤斯塔斯·康威 (Eustace Conway) 录音带 你在这里抱怨。
"I wish it would stop raining until we got to camp."
“我希望在我们到达营地之前雨能停止。”
And describe how you were all outfitted.
并描述一下你们的着装。
What did you all look like?
你们都长啥样？
We were basically wearing a lot of the Western-style clothes, which wasn't for style but all these old cowboy clothes, they actually work.
我们基本上穿了很多西式衣服，这不是为了风格，而是所有这些旧牛仔衣服，它们实际上很实用。
They do the things that you need.
他们做你需要的事情。
Silk scarves, cowboy hats.
丝巾、牛仔帽。
The chaps and the spurs and the whole bit.
伙计们、马刺和一切。
--had guns and knives and long hair and looked rough as hell and all kinds of stories, interesting reactions coming out of that.
——有枪、有刀、有长发、看起来很粗鲁，有各种各样的故事，从中产生有趣的反应。
Well, here's a good description.
嗯，这是一个很好的描述。
Here's a story.
这是一个故事。
We're trotting through this little town and going down Main Street, and I see someone through a plate glass window look at us.
我们小跑穿过这个小镇，沿着主街走，我看到有人透过平板玻璃窗看着我们。
And they're sort of awed.
他们有点敬畏。
The mouth drops open, it's like, my gosh, what's going on here?
嘴巴张得大大的，天哪，这是怎么回事？
So I see the man just grab something from his desk and run out the front door.
所以我看到那个人只是从办公桌上抓起一些东西就跑出了前门。
So I look back every once in a while, and this guy is sort of half-running behind us.
所以我时不时地回头看看，这个家伙就在我们后面半跑着。
Finally, we get to the edge of town.
终于，我们到达了城镇的边缘。
It's misting, a bit rainy.
天有雾，有点雨。
And he says, "Hey, I didn't want to interrupt you.
他说：“嘿，我不想打扰你。
I thought you might be making a movie or something." It's like, "No, we're not making a movie."
我以为你可能会拍电影什么的。”就像，“不，我们不是在拍电影。”
And he says, "But you guys look so real.
他说：“但是你们看起来很真实。
I mean, you really look real." And I was like, "Well, I think that probably is because we really are real." And he said this over and another.
我的意思是，你看起来真的很真实。”我当时想，“好吧，我想这可能是因为我们真的很真实。”他又说了一遍又一遍。
It was like he was stuttering this chant, like, "You guys look real.
就好像他结结巴巴地念叨着，“你们看起来很真实。
I mean, you really look real."
我的意思是，你看起来真的很真实。”
And now-- I'm glad the tape recorder's working-- now Judson's going to fire off a round to celebrate making it across a whole state in the Southeast Georgia.
现在——我很高兴录音机能工作——现在贾德森将发射一轮子弹来庆祝它穿越了佐治亚州东南部的整个州。
We just entered Alabama.
我们刚刚进入阿拉巴马州。
Do it, brother!
做吧，兄弟！
[FIRES GUN] Eustace Conway On Tape Whew!
[开枪] 尤斯塔斯·康威 (Eustace Conway) 在磁带上 唷！
Oh, my god.
我的天啊。
Let me ask you to talk about some of the people you met along the way.
让我请您谈谈您一路上遇到的一些人。
Uh huh.
嗯嗯。
Where would I begin?
我该从哪里开始呢？
That's the most amazing part of the entire journey.
这是整个旅程中最令人惊奇的部分。
People would really appreciate and take us in in ways that I never imagined would be possible.
人们会真正欣赏并以我从未想象过的方式接纳我们。
You know, these odd-looking rogues with long hair, knives and guns, and yet, the most conservative, Southern, clean-cut gentleman, farmers, would bring us right into their homes with their children, their wives, and just treat us like we were part of the family.
你知道，这些长发、拿着刀和枪、长相奇特的流氓，然而，最保守的、南方的、干净利落的绅士、农民，会把我们和他们的孩子、妻子直接带进他们的家，对待我们就像我们是家庭的一员一样。
The entire America was great.
整个美国都很棒。
They were most gracious and accepted us.
他们非常亲切并接受了我们。
And we'd go into one town and they'd say, oh, watch out for this next town that you're going through because they're kind of questionable people.
我们走进一个城镇，他们会说，哦，小心你要经过的下一个城镇，因为他们是一些可疑的人。
And we'd get to that town and they'd be just as nice as the last one.
当我们到达那个城镇时，他们会和上一个城镇一样友善。
Everybody was great.
每个人都很棒。
Long story.
很长的故事。
I don't know how much you want to tape.
不知道你想录多少。
But let's just say one morning, I met these two guys.
但就说有一天早上，我遇到了这两个人。
I was actually standing on the side of the road with a fan of money trying to get a ride.
事实上，我正站在路边，想搭车。
And they pull up to buy some beer, Sunday morning, actually.
事实上，周日早上，他们停下来买了一些啤酒。
On their way to church.
在去教堂的路上。
Eustace Conway In Studio Yeah.
尤斯塔斯·康威在工作室 是的。
So this sporty little car pulls up with shiny mag wheels and comes to a stop right there at the quick stop across the road.
于是，这辆运动型小车用闪亮的磁轮拉了起来，并在马路对面的快速停车处停下来。
And one of them goes in there to get something.
其中一个进去拿东西。
I haven't met them at this time.
我目前还没有见过他们。
So I'm out there, and I kind of smile, hold my money up.
所以我就在那里，我微笑着，举起我的钱。
And so apparently, J.L.
显然，J.L.
was in the driver seat at this time.
此时坐在驾驶座上。
And he leans out of the car door and says, "Hey, you got any money?" And so I'm embarrassed.
他从车门探出身子说道：“嘿，你有钱吗？”所以我很尴尬。
I look around, I went, "Yes."
我环顾四周，说：“是的。”
"I say, you got any money?" And I think I better go negotiate with this man before I alarm the whole neighborhood.
“我说，你有钱吗？”我想我最好先和这个人谈判，然后再惊动整个邻居。
So I told him I'd give him $5 just to get me to the other side of the town.
所以我告诉他我愿意给他 5 美元，让他带我到城镇的另一边。
Actually, I'd gotten a ride halfway already.
其实我已经搭车到一半了。
So I was trying just to get on the other side of town.
所以我试图去城镇的另一边。
So we're sitting there negotiating back and forth and back and forth.
所以我们坐在那里来回谈判。
And Tyrone comes walking out.
蒂龙走了出来。
these two guys are buddies, J.L.
这两个人是朋友，J.L.
and Tyrone.
和蒂龙。
Tyrone comes walking out with this beer.
蒂龙端着啤酒走了出来。
And he just looks at me, he says, "You want a ride?"
他只是看着我，说道：“你想搭车吗？”
And I said, "Yeah." He says, "Get in the truck." So apparently, it was Tyrone's truck.
我说：“是的。”他说：“上卡车吧。”显然，这是蒂龙的卡车。
So they crank it up and they start going along.
所以他们加大力度并开始前进。
And Tyrone pulls out a beer from his six pack.
蒂龙从他的六罐装啤酒中拿出一瓶啤酒。
And he grabs that and he opens it.
他抓住它并打开它。
You can see the mist coming out.
可以看到雾气出来了。
And he just looks at it, and he smells it, and he's just about to take a swig.
他只是看看它，闻一下它，然后他就想喝一口。
He's reverently getting ready to drink his beer.
他恭敬地准备喝啤酒。
And he's just about to turn it back and drink, and he looks to me.
他正要转回去喝水，然后看着我。
All of a sudden, he remembers his manners.
突然，他想起了自己的举止。
He's like, "You like beer?" I say, "Uh huh." "You want a beer?" Being polite, I say, "Well, sure, OK." So he gives me a beer.
他说：“你喜欢啤酒吗？”我说：“嗯。” “你想喝啤酒吗？”出于礼貌，我说：“嗯，当然，好的。”所以他给了我一杯啤酒。
Then he cracks another one for himself.
然后他又为自己破解了另一枚。
He says, "I like beer.
他说：“我喜欢啤酒。
I love beer.
我喜欢啤酒。
I'll drink beer every day." So then he takes this big morning drink.
我每天都会喝啤酒。”然后他就喝了一大杯早上的饮料。
It's like, whoa, this guy is into his beer.
就像，哇，这家伙很喜欢喝啤酒。
So I'm sitting there talking to J.L., hanging through the truck window.
所以我坐在车窗外与 J.L. 交谈。
And he's telling me about his life.
他正在向我讲述他的生活。
So he'll tell me something, and then I'll tell him something.
所以他会告诉我一些事情，然后我也会告诉他一些事情。
I'm telling him about the Long Riders journey.
我正在向他讲述长途骑手的旅程。
And I'm telling him about the horses.
我正在告诉他有关马的事情。
Yeah, we got horses waiting over there.
是的，我们有马在那边等着。
He's listening.
他在听。
At this time, I had no idea.
这个时候我就没有任何想法了。
But he thought I was full of [BLEEP].
但他认为我充满了[BLEEP]。
He thought I was tripping on acid and had no idea that anything I was saying made any sense.
他以为我被酸绊倒了，不知道我说的任何话都有道理。
So we're having this conversation.
所以我们正在进行这次对话。
And I think he's believing everything, so I'm telling him about my life, my story.
我认为他相信一切，所以我告诉他我的生活，我的故事。
You're telling him your life, so you're telling him, "I live in the woods.
你告诉他你的生活，所以你告诉他，“我住在树林里。
I've lived there since I was a teenager.
我从十几岁起就住在那里。
I trap my own animals." And he's just thinking, yeah right.
我捕捉自己的动物。”他只是在想，是的，没错。
You got it.
你明白了。
You got the picture.
你明白了。
So we get to the gas station.
所以我们到达加油站。
I fill them up with gas.
我给它们加满汽油。
Then we drive on.
然后我们继续前行。
And so we come around the bend.
就这样我们拐弯了。
He starts wondering if I even know where I want to go, like, if I'm just crazy.
他开始怀疑我是否知道我想去哪里，比如我是否疯了。
So we round the bend, and there is my partners with the horses.
于是我们拐过弯，我的伙伴和马就在那里。
And J.L.
还有 J.L.
is like, "[BLEEP], man, they got horses!
就像，“[BLEEP]，伙计，他们有马！
They got horses!" He is just absolutely amazed.
他们有马！”他简直太惊讶了。
He throws the car into park and jumps out, leaves the door wide open, and just runs over to the horses and reaches out to touch them, as if, can they be real?
他把车扔进公园，跳了出来，把车门敞开，然后跑到马跟前，伸手抚摸它们，仿佛它们是真的吗？
All of a sudden, everything shifts.
突然之间，一切都变了。
Instead of being a freak, all of a sudden, he's got respect for me, and the reality comes in.
突然之间，他不再是一个怪胎，而是尊重我，现实就出现了。
And he wants to help out.
他想帮忙。
Instead of trying to take my money-- here's how I met this guy.
我没有试图拿走我的钱，这就是我遇到这个人的方式。
"You got any money?" He's trying hard as he can to take me for any kind of dollar bill.
“你有钱吗？”他尽他所能地想把我当作任何种类的美元钞票。
And all of a sudden, heart comes in.
突然之间，心就进来了。
Feeling.
感觉。
Something totally shifts.
有些东西完全改变了。
And he cares about us.
他关心我们。
And so he comes out and meets us on the road several times, brings a friend.
所以他出来了，在路上遇见我们好几次，还带来了一个朋友。
They drive the truck ahead a couple of days.
他们将卡车向前行驶了几天。
And just such a shift from our introduction.
与我们的介绍相比，这就是一个转变。
When they'd ride into town, they'd try to find somebody with a fenced-in field or yard, and they would ask them if they could camp there.
当他们骑车进城时，他们会试图找到一个有围栏的田地或院子的人，然后问他们是否可以在那里露营。
And over and over, people not only said yes, they invited them in for hot meals and hot showers, helped them out any way they could.
一遍又一遍，人们不仅答应了，还邀请他们吃热饭、洗热水澡，尽其所能地帮助他们。
There was this one family in Louisiana, the Marbles, who, after putting up Eustace and Judson and Susan for days, really, helping them find a new horse, decided to deliver them a hot turkey meal with stuffing and cranberry dressing and all the fixings out on the road.
路易斯安那州有一个叫马布尔斯的家庭，他们在照顾了尤斯塔斯、贾德森和苏珊几天后，真的帮助他们找到一匹新马，决定给他们送一顿热火鸡大餐，里面有馅料和蔓越莓酱，还有所有的配菜都在路上。
We were riding down the road several hundred miles from where they live.
我们沿着距离他们住处几百英里的路行驶。
And all of a sudden, they drive by hooting and hollering out the window.
突然间，他们向窗外大喊大叫。
My gosh, is that the Marbles?
天啊，那是大理石吗？
And they pulled over ahead of us and by the time we got to them, they had a big old Thanksgiving dinner is what I called it, even though it was January or February.
他们把车停在我们前面，当我们到达他们那里时，他们已经吃了一顿丰盛的老式感恩节晚餐，我就是这么称呼它的，尽管那是一月或二月。
Yeah, and they had no idea exactly where we were.
是的，他们不知道我们到底在哪里。
They was just in a hope that they could find us.
他们只是希望能找到我们。
All the cooking, all the driving, all the planning to have that Sunday afternoon to come try to find us.
所有的烹饪、所有的驾驶、所有的计划都是为了在周日下午来尝试找到我们。
And they did.
他们做到了。
Judson, why do you think people were responding the way they were to the three of you traveling?
贾德森，你认为为什么人们对你们三个旅行的反应如此？
Because we were doing something that everybody dreams about but nobody takes the risk to do-- or the time, the energy, the money, the challenge to do.
因为我们正在做一些每个人都梦想的事情，但没有人愿意冒险去做——或者投入时间、精力、金钱和挑战去做。
I guess I have my own way of thinking about it, is I wanted to tell people you can do whatever you want.
我想我有自己的思考方式，就是我想告诉人们你可以做任何你想做的事。
Celebrate life.
庆祝生活。
Don't just work at a grind forever.
不要永远埋头苦干。
Just stop.
停下来吧。
Just say, "I want to do this.
只需说：“我想这样做。
That's what I did.
我就是这么做的。
I said I want to ride a horse across the country.
我说我想骑马穿越全国。
I had a thousand people tell me I couldn't.
有一千个人告诉我我不能。
I didn't listen to one of them.
我没有听其中一位的讲话。
I said, I'm going to do this.
我说，我要做这件事。
And I got on a horse and started out.
我骑上马出发了。
I didn't know how to do this journey.
我不知道该怎么走这趟旅程。
I didn't know much about riding horses.
我对骑马不太了解。
It sounds like the three of you are just out there just like putting your hearts out there.
听起来你们三个就像把心都放在那里一样。
You know what I mean?
你知道我的意思吗？
Just doing this thing.
就是做这件事。
And so that just calls this thing forward from other people where they want to do it too.
所以这只是让其他人也想做这件事。
It does.
确实如此。
People would even just ride up and roll down their window and stick out a $10 bill.
人们甚至会骑上车，摇下车窗，拿出一张 10 美元的钞票。
Several times, we would turn people down.
有好几次，我们都会拒绝别人。
People were like, "Let me help you.
人们就像是，“让我来帮助你。
You can stay at our house." And we're like, "Well, we've already got plans.
你可以住在我们家。”我们说，“好吧，我们已经有计划了。
Somebody already pulled over and invited us to stay their house." And several times, we split up, and one of us would spend the night one place and somebody else would spend the night somewhere else.
有人已经把车停在路边，邀请我们去他们家住。”有好几次，我们分头行动，一个人在一个地方过夜，另一个人在另一个地方过夜。
Part of this reaction had to do with the horses, Eustace and Judson say.
尤斯塔斯和贾德森说，这种反应部分与马有关。
They had both hitchhiked across America, and they say that people are not nearly so friendly.
他们都搭便车穿越了美国，他们说人们并不那么友好。
But with the horses, they would ride into town, looking like cowboys, charming and dusty, like figures not just out of a the movie but out of some dream that we all have of America.
但他们会骑着马进城，看起来像牛仔，迷人而尘土飞扬，不仅像电影中的人物，而且像我们所有人对美国的梦想。
When these epic figures trot up the interstate into your town, how could you not stare?
当这些史诗般的人物沿着州际公路小跑进入您的城镇时，您怎么能不凝视呢？
Who would not want to be near something so larger than life.
谁不想靠近比生命更伟大的东西。
People didn't just give them money.
人们不只是给他们钱。
People wanted to talk to them, tell them their stories, which Eustace recorded on tape.
人们想与他们交谈，告诉他们他们的故事，尤斯塔斯将这些故事录制在磁带上。
Allison, tell our diary what's going on.
艾莉森，告诉我们的日记发生了什么事。
What do you do for a living?
你靠什么谋生？
Where are we?
我们在哪里？
And anything you want to say?
还有什么想说的吗？
We're at a rock shop out in the middle of nowhere.
我们在一个荒无人烟的地方的一家摇滚店里。
In fact, we're three miles from the middle of nowhere.
事实上，我们距离荒无人烟的地方只有三英里。
Mile marker 33 is the middle.
英里标记 33 位于中间。
We just kind of poke along out here.
我们只是在这里闲逛。
And this used to be owned by Sam and Vera Jones.
这曾经是萨姆·琼斯和维拉·琼斯拥有的。
Sam was otherwise known as Rattlesnake Jones.
山姆也被称为响尾蛇琼斯。
He believed in protecting rattlesnakes.
他相信保护响尾蛇。
He had a rattlesnake pit out here with over 200 rattlesnakes in it at all times.
他在这里有一个响尾蛇坑，里面一直有200多条响尾蛇。
Him and Vera also had two pet bobcats.
他和维拉还养了两只宠物山猫。
And a lot of neat history out here.
这里还有很多精彩的历史。
Sam killed himself on the front doorstep over there of the trailer because he was dying of cancer and all sorts of health problems.
萨姆在拖车前门阶上自杀，因为他死于癌症和各种健康问题。
He was living on a hospital bed on an oxygen tank.
他靠氧气罐住在医院病床上。
And he told his wife that he was going shoot himself that morning.
他告诉他的妻子，那天早上他要开枪自杀。
And she said as long as he didn't do it inside the house.
她说只要他不在屋内做就行。
She didn't want to clean up the mess.
她不想收拾烂摊子。
And she knew he was serious.
她知道他是认真的。
And she was out in the rock shop and heard the gunshot and waited about an hour before she called the ambulance because he didn't want to be resuscitated.
当时她在岩石店里听到枪声，等了大约一个小时才叫救护车，因为他不想接受复苏。
He wanted to be dead.
他想死。
My goodness.
天哪。
Woman Yeah, it's real interesting out here.
女人 是的，这里真的很有趣。
My dad was a bird hunter.
我的父亲是一名鸟类猎人。
And we had three or four milk cows.
我们有三四头奶牛。
My sister and brothers, they'd milk the cows.
我的姐妹和兄弟，他们会挤牛奶。
I'd feed the horse.
我会喂马。
My dad would feed the mules.
我爸爸会喂骡子。
He would pass through the rooms, say, get up, boys.
他会穿过房间，说，站起来，孩子们。
Get up, boys.
起来吧，孩子们。
Man And look, he wasn't going to say "get up boys" but one time.
伙计，听着，他不会说“起床啦，伙计们”，但有一次。
And the next time, he'd say, I thought you boys were supposed to be up.
下次，他会说，我想你们这些孩子应该起床了。
The next time, he had that broom handle.
下一次，他拿着扫帚柄。
And ain't no such a thing as child abuse.
而且不存在虐待儿童这样的事情。
The first time is when he wanted it to be done.
第一次是他想要完成的时候。
And you better get out the bed, because let I'm going to tell you something.
你最好起床，因为我要告诉你一些事情。
My daddy didn't play.
我爸爸没玩过。
270 pounds of pure man.
270斤的纯爷们。
I heard that.
我听到了。
6:00 in the morning here.
早上6:00在这里。
Just got up.
刚起床。
Stars are bright.
星星很亮。
I'm going to go check on the horses here and give them their feed as early as possible so that they'll have time to digest it before we head out.
我要去看看这里的马匹，尽早给它们喂食，这样它们在我们出发之前就有时间消化。
Hello there, boys.
你好，孩子们。
Hello, boys.
你好，孩子们。
Yeah.
是的。
It's hard to imagine, now that I really think about it, how a camera crew or even a news team of writers could capture what I think is best about this trip-- the movement, the familiarity with the known, the process of the day, the challenge, the freshness, the warmth of the simplicity, the support of the people like the ones in that car that waved as they just went by, the pattern of day-by-day moving as a herd across North America.
现在我认真思考一下，很难想象一个摄制组甚至一个新闻撰稿团队如何能够捕捉到我认为这次旅行中最好的部分——运动、对已知事物的熟悉、当天的过程、挑战、新鲜感、简单中的温暖、人们的支持，就像那辆车里的人们在他们刚刚经过时挥手致意，每天像一群人一样穿越北美的模式。
There's no way that they could capture what I really want to share.
他们不可能捕捉到我真正想分享的内容。
Beautiful, quiet night.
美丽、静谧的夜晚。
No light except the stars.
除了星星，没有任何光亮。
The Big Dipper shining bright and pointing out to the North Star.
北斗七星闪闪发光，指向北极星。
We made it 30 miles, so I feel really good.
我们已经跑了 30 英里，所以我感觉非常好。
Glad to be with my good partners, good horses.
很高兴能和我的好伙伴、好马在一起。
Good.
好的。
Coming up, The Dark Side of the Horse, in a minute, from Public Radio International, when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续时，国际公共广播电台即将播出“马的黑暗面”。
It's This American .
就是这个美国人。
Life .
生活 。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different stories on that theme.
当然，我们的节目每周都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同的故事。
Today's program, Adventures in the Simple Life.
今天的节目是《简单生活中的历险记》。
We're in the middle of Act One, the story of three people traveling across country with some horses and a tape recorder-- prerequisite for getting on our show.
我们正处于第一幕的中间，讲述了三个人带着一些马和一台录音机穿越全国的故事——这是参加我们节目的先决条件。
I cannot state strongly enough how much of the 30 hours of tape they recorded is simply the three of them talking about the horses.
我无法有力地说明他们录制的 30 个小时的磁带中有多少只是他们三个在谈论马。
Hours of detail about the horses' shoes and the color of their urine, and how the horses are doing.
几个小时详细了解马的鞋子、尿液的颜色以及马的情况。
And I have to say, for city people sitting in an office in Chicago, listening to all this, it was hard to understand what it was all about.
我不得不说，对于坐在芝加哥办公室里的城里人来说，听着这一切，很难理解这一切是怎么回事。
But, of course, what it was all about was the difficulty of being on the road, which is where our story resumes.
但是，当然，这一切都是关于路上的困难，这就是我们的故事的继续。
And then we started meeting the miles and meeting the challenges and being up at 2:00 in the morning fixing equipment and getting up before daylight.
然后我们开始跑里程、迎接挑战，凌晨 2:00 起床修理设备，并在天亮前起床。
Some nights, we'd sleep four hours, and we didn't go to bed refreshed.
有些晚上，我们睡了四个小时，但上床睡觉时并没有神清气爽。
We went to bed worn out.
我们疲惫不堪地上床睡觉。
We'd get up four hours later and start feeding and brushing horses.
四小时后我们起床，开始喂马、刷马。
So it's pouring rain, and we're stopped by a little, metal building on the side of the road.
天正下着倾盆大雨，我们被路边的一座小金属建筑拦住了。
And we pulled over and one of Mac's shoes, I noticed his back, left shoe was falling off.
我们把车停在路边，我注意到麦克的一只鞋子，他的后背，左脚的鞋子掉了下来。
What in the hell are we going to do?
我们到底要做什么？
Oh, jeez.
哦，天哪。
8:30 in the morning on March-- what is today, everybody?
三月早上8点30分——大家今天是什么日子？
[INAUDIBLE].
[听不清]。
Eustace Conway On Tape And I feel puny.
尤斯塔斯康威在磁带上我感到自己很渺小。
My stomach is just feeling like a burnt pancake that got stepped on by an elephant and then eaten by a roadrunner and then [BLEEP] on top of a green stinkbug that's eating its way through it.
我的胃感觉就像一块烧焦的煎饼，被大象踩到，然后被走鹃吃掉，然后[哔]落在一只正在吃它的绿色臭虫上。
And that's how my stomach feels.
这就是我胃的感觉。
I might just vomit in this microphone.
我可能会在这个麦克风里呕吐。
Turning right on a dirt road.
在土路上右转。
And Judson's reaching for his six shooter.
贾德森正伸手去拿他的六号射手。
What's that boy doing?
那个男孩在做什么？
Oh my gosh, we're crossing into Arkansas.
天哪，我们要进入阿肯色州了。
Oh, my gosh.
哦，天哪。
[YELPS AND FIRES GUN] Eustace Conway On Tape Oh, my goodness!
[尖叫声和开枪]尤斯塔斯康威在磁带上哦，天哪！
We made it to Arkansas!
我们到达阿肯色州了！
[YELPS]
[尖叫声]
Are we really here, or is it just a dream?
我们真的在这里吗，还是只是一个梦？
I think we're about to touch Texas.
我想我们即将到达德克萨斯州。
And there's a big old rock there that says "Texas." Oh my gosh, it's real.
那里有一块古老的大石头，上面写着“德克萨斯”。天哪，这是真的。
We're really doing it.
我们真的在做。
[GUN FIRES] Yes!
[枪声] 是的！
[YELPS] Albert, settle down, boy.
[尖叫]阿尔伯特，安定下来，孩子。
It's just a .357.
这只是 0.357。
Let me ask you to explain as you're going into Arizona.
当你要去亚利桑那州时，我请你解释一下。
Oh, my.
哦，我的。
Very interesting situation.
非常有趣的情况。
Almost embarrassing.
几乎尴尬。
But the fact is, we had just bought a horse.
但事实是，我们刚刚买了一匹马。
And this one hadn't been handled in a very long time and had a reputation, in the few times it had been handled, of being more or less wild.
而且这个东西已经很长时间没有被处理过了，在几次被处理过的情况下，都被认为或多或少是狂野的。
And so I'm riding along, and we get to the Arizona line.
我就这样一路骑行，我们到达了亚利桑那线。
Every time we get to a line, one of us-- usually Judson, my brother-- shoots off a gun, just as a celebration, reckoning that we made it to another state line.
每当我们到达一条线时，我们中的一个人——通常是我的兄弟贾德森——就会开枪，作为庆祝，认为我们已经到达了另一条州线。
So we go through the gate, and I shut the gate, and we're there.
所以我们穿过大门，我关上大门，我们就到了。
It's like, OK, let's celebrate.
就像，好吧，让我们庆祝一下。
And intuitively, I knew not to get up on this horse.
凭直觉，我知道不要骑上这匹马。
But my brother, for some reason, I don't know why, he said, get up on your horse.
但我的兄弟，出于某种原因，我不知道为什么，他说，上马吧。
And for some reason, I followed his instructions and got up on the horse.
出于某种原因，我按照他的指示爬上了马。
There it is, boy.
就在那里，孩子。
It's the state line.
这是州线。
We're getting ready for a big bang.
我们正在为一场大爆炸做好准备。
My gosh, we're getting into Arizona.
天哪，我们要进入亚利桑那州了。
Woo!
哇！
We are walking in the soul of another state, and proud of it.
我们行走在另一个国家的灵魂中，并为此感到自豪。
[SHOOTS GUN] [YELPS] Eustace Conway On Tape I got bucked off of this damn black horse.
[开枪] [尖叫] 尤斯塔斯·康威 (Eustace Conway) 录音带 我从这匹该死的黑马身上被撞飞了。
He's not used to a gunshot.
他不习惯枪声。
Guess I'm trying to stay awake now.
我想我现在正努力保持清醒。
Seems like maybe my head is addled.
看来我的头可能很混乱。
Maybe I have a concussion or something.
也许我有脑震荡什么的。
And I cracked my head.
我打破了我的头。
Blood everywhere.
到处都是血。
The power of it goes from my head to my shoulder, twisted my neck, hit my back, tearing my back open, ripping my shirt.
它的力量从我的头传到我的肩膀，扭断我的脖子，击中我的背部，撕开我的背部，撕破我的衬衫。
And I'm just sitting there slumped, hurting.
而我只是坐在那儿，浑身疼痛。
And it was not what I wanted to happen.
这不是我想要发生的。
How much of a break did you take before you started writing again?
在你重新开始写作之前，你休息了多久？
Did you take the--
你有没有拿——
I didn't take a minute off.
我没有休息一分钟。
I climbed back up, blood was still running down.
我又爬起来，血还在流。
The blood knitted my hair back together.
血把我的头发重新编织在一起。
That's what held my scalp together.
这就是让我头皮紧绷的原因。
I just let the dried blood hold it back together.
我只是让干涸的血液将它重新粘在一起。
There weren't any doctors anywhere nearby.
附近没有任何医生。
Oh, my.
哦，我的。
My brother and Susan are kind of like normal people.
我哥哥和苏珊有点像普通人。
But my lifestyle has been forever very extraordinarily different than common, normal America.
但我的生活方式永远与普通、正常的美国截然不同。
Just about a month ago, I rode a horse into a tree.
大约一个月前，我骑马撞到了一棵树上。
I was chasing another horse.
我正在追另一匹马。
And it got dark, and I did not want to give up on catching this horse.
天黑了，我不想放弃追这匹马。
It was the first time I'd ever let this horse go.
这是我第一次放走这匹马。
So I ran right into a tree and knocked my head back.
于是我径直撞到了一棵树上，把头撞了回来。
When I came forward, all of a sudden I heard all this splashing.
当我走上前来时，突然我听到了水花四溅的声音。
Blood was flying all around my saddle splashing down.
血在我的马鞍周围飞溅而下。
And I wondered, my gosh, what have I done?
我想知道，天哪，我做了什么？
And I stuck my tongue through my lip.
我把舌头伸进嘴唇。
It was right through the front of my face.
它正好穿过我的脸。
I was like, ooh, that does not feel right.
我当时想，哦，这感觉不对。
So I went to a mirror.
于是我走到镜子前。
See, I don't have electricity, so I lit some candles and looked in the mirror, and I had three huge holes in my face that were gaping open, profusely bleeding.
看，我没有电，所以我点了一些蜡烛，照镜子，我的脸上有三个大洞，裂开，流着很多血。
So I could've gone to a doctor.
所以我本来可以去看医生。
I live way out in the country.
我住在很远的乡下。
But I just got out a needle and thread and sewed my face back together.
但我只是拿出针和线，把我的脸重新缝在一起。
It was about 14 stitches.
大约缝了14针。
Pulled it back together and I was good to go.
把它拉回来，我就可以出发了。
Had to heal up and the swelling had to go down and all that, but it's healed up real good.
必须痊愈，肿胀必须消退等等，但它已经痊愈得很好。
But see, that's the story of my life.
但是看，这就是我一生的故事。
Me, what I'm trying to teach people and what I believe in is that you can do things yourself.
我，我想教给人们的东西，我相信的是，你可以自己做事。
You can take care of yourself.
你可以照顾好自己。
You can be responsible, and should be responsible, for yourself.
你可以对自己负责，也应该对自己负责。
I was born in normal suburbia.
我出生在普通的郊区。
In fact, I guess that's one of the important things about me being able to do some of these things of living like people did a long time ago, is I went from normal suburbia.
事实上，我想这是我能够像很久以前的人们那样生活的重要原因之一，就是我来自普通的郊区。
I know the American people.
我了解美国人民。
I can speak your language.
我能说你的语言。
But I live in a very different way that's come through decades of experience and voluntarily living by a whole other set of values and reality.
但我以一种非常不同的方式生活，这是经过数十年的经验并自愿遵循一套完全不同的价值观和现实而生活的。
Even when you embark on an adventure in the simple life, it doesn't get all that simple.
即使你在简单的生活中开始冒险，事情也不会变得那么简单。
Life resists simplicity.
生活抗拒简单。
On this horse trip across America, the logistics of getting from place to place were as complicated as you might imagine, with that truck to move around and 20th century traffic always threatening to run them over.
在这次穿越美国的骑马之旅中，从一个地方到另一个地方的后勤工作就像你想象的一样复杂，卡车要四处移动，而 20 世纪的交通总是有碾压卡车的危险。
And then having to provision horses and get new horses and find a place to stay every night.
然后必须提供马匹并获得新马，并每晚找到住宿的地方。
It took money and telephones and all the skill with people that anybody would be able to muster.
这需要金钱、电话以及任何人都能调动起来的所有与人打交道的技巧。
And then there's the mundane fact that like any people on a long trip together, Eustace and Judson and Susan got on each other's nerves sometimes.
还有一个平凡的事实，就像所有一起长途旅行的人一样，尤斯塔斯、贾德森和苏珊有时会让彼此心烦意乱。
When it happened, one of them would ride ahead a ways for a while, get a break from the others.
当这种情况发生时，其中一个人会在前面骑一段路，与其他人休息一下。
And when they finally made it to California, to the shores of the Pacific Ocean, what's striking is how bittersweet it was.
当他们最终到达加利福尼亚州，到达太平洋海岸时，令人震惊的是，这是多么苦乐参半。
That was a pretty intense day.
那是相当紧张的一天。
We started riding.
我们开始骑行。
And that part of California is very hilly.
加利福尼亚州的那部分地区非常丘陵。
And you'd ride up a hill and you think, we're going to look out and see the ocean.
当你骑上一座小山时，你会想，我们要向外眺望，看到大海。
And we didn't.
但我们没有。
We rode and rode and rode before we saw the ocean.
我们骑呀骑呀，终于看到了大海。
And you're just hoping and waiting for this end.
而你只是希望并等待这个结局。
It's kind of climactic, waiting for it to come up, and it never would.
这是一种高潮，等待它出现，但它永远不会出现。
You'd just see more houses and more streets.
你只会看到更多的房子和更多的街道。
It was like, "ugh."
就像是，“呃”。
Almost at the beach.
快到海滩了。
I can smell it and feel it and see it in the traffic and the worry in the people faces.
我可以闻到它，感觉到它，在交通中看到它，在人们脸上看到它。
And it's exciting because we're almost there.
这很令人兴奋，因为我们就快到了。
Hey, cowboys!
嘿，牛仔们！
Eustace Conway On Tape We are cowboys.
尤斯塔斯康威在磁带上我们是牛仔。
Hey, cowboys!
嘿，牛仔们！
That's what they call us here.
他们在这里就是这么称呼我们的。
And finally, we saw it.
最后，我们看到了。
And it was like, wow.
就像，哇。
It was a weird feeling.
这是一种奇怪的感觉。
It was like, now what do we do?
就像，现在我们该怎么办？
I thought it was going to be more crazy energy.
我以为这会是更疯狂的能量。
It was more self-reflective energy.
这是更多自我反思的能量。
It was more just sitting on your horse and staring at the ocean and going, wow.
更多的只是坐在马背上，凝视着大海，然后感叹，哇。
It was more just, we did it.
更公正的是，我们做到了。
And in the hot days of Arizona, somehow, I was just going, man, if I get to that ocean, I'm going to get off and just go running, dive in the water and swim out as far as I can.
在亚利桑那州炎热的日子里，不知何故，我只是想，伙计，如果我到达那片海洋，我就会下车跑步，潜入水中，然后尽可能地游出。
And all that crazy excitement didn't happen.
所有那些疯狂的兴奋并没有发生。
It was more just a silent stare.
更多的只是沉默的凝视。
We just stood there.
我们只是站在那里。
Just stood there looking at it, unbelieving that we had gotten there.
只是站在那里看着它，难以置信我们已经到了那里。
And looking around and, is this really sand under our feet?
再看看四周，我们脚下真的是沙子吗？
Are those really waves there?
那些波浪真的存在吗？
It was like if you could just scream "wow" and let it echo for a couple of hours.
就好像你可以尖叫“哇”并让它回响几个小时。
Wow, wow, wow.
哇，哇，哇。
What do you carry back into your everyday life from a journey like this?
从这样的旅程中，您将什么带回到日常生活中？
Eustace is back living in the woods, having learned what he said he wanted to learn about horses on the trip.
尤斯塔斯回到了树林里，在旅途中了解到了他所说的他想了解的关于马的知识。
Judson's a fly fishing guide in North Carolina, starting his own business doing that.
贾德森是北卡罗来纳州的一名飞钓导游，他开始自己做飞钓生意。
And Susan's the one who set to make the biggest transition, back to modern life, indoor life.
苏珊是第一个做出最大转变的人，回归现代生活，回归室内生活。
She moved to Oklahoma to be closer to her grandfather, who's been ill.
她搬到俄克拉荷马州是为了离生病的祖父更近一些。
What's your job now?
你现在的工作是什么？
What are you doing?
你在干什么？
I'm an order selector at a local warehouse here.
我是当地一家仓库的订单选择员。
It's Associated Wholesale Grocers.
这是联合批发杂货店。
And so what's that's like to go to a job like that after having been on the road for months?
那么，在旅途数月之后，去从事这样的工作是什么感觉呢？
It's pretty crazy.
这太疯狂了。
We work hard every day.
我们每天都努力工作。
It's a pretty labor-intensive job.
这是一项相当劳动密集型的工作。
And it's interesting to look at the perspectives of my fellow employees and how this is their life, and this is what they do.
看看我的同事们的观点以及他们的生活和所做的事情是很有趣的。
And I kind of see past it, and I see what I've done and that there's so much more out there.
我有点看过去了，我看到了我所做的事情，而且还有更多的事情要做。
Do you find you talk about it a lot now, months later?
几个月后，你发现你现在经常谈论这个问题吗？
A little bit.
一点点。
Not a whole lot.
不是很多。
I'm living in Oklahoma and don't know a whole lot of people.
我住在俄克拉荷马州，认识的人不多。
And if I tell them that I rode my horse across country, I don't think they'd believe me.
如果我告诉他们我骑着马穿越整个国家，我想他们不会相信我。
But I reflect back on it quite a bit.
但我回想了很多。
A few.
几个。
Ira Glass And so what do they say?
Ira Glass 那么他们怎么说呢？
They don't believe me.
他们不相信我。
Act Two: Act Two Ira Glass Act Two, Zen Shmen.
第二幕：第二幕 艾拉·格拉斯 第二幕，禅师门。
Here's something that was written back when people rode horses because they mostly had no choice, the middle of the 19th century, a quarter century before the invention of the light bulb.
这是 19 世纪中叶，也就是灯泡发明前四分之一个世纪，人们骑马时写下的一段话，因为他们大多别无选择。
Most people lived on the farm or in small towns.
大多数人住在农场或小镇。
And yet, America was already so big and changing so fast and so unprecedented and alarming, that already, people worried that modernity and everything all that came with it was making it hard to think properly, to feel properly, to really live.
然而，美国已经如此之大，变化如此之快，前所未有，令人震惊，以至于人们已经担心现代性和随之而来的一切让人们很难正确地思考、正确地感受、真正地生活。
Here's the reading.
这是阅读内容。
"I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived.
“我走进树林，是因为我希望认真地生活，只面对生活的基本事实，看看我是否能学到它所教的东西，而不是当我临终时，发现我没有活过。
I did not wish to live what was not life.
我不想过非生活的生活。
I wanted to live deep, to drive life into a corner and reduce it to its lowest terms.
我想要活得深刻，把生活逼入墙角，把它降到最低限度。
And if it proved to be mean, wanted to get to the whole and genuine meanness of it and publish its meanness to the world.
如果它被证明是卑鄙的，那么就想了解它的全部和真正的卑鄙，并将其卑鄙公之于世。
Or, if it were sublime, to know it by experience and be able to give a true account of it."
或者，如果它是崇高的，那就通过经验来认识它，并能够真实地描述它。”
This is Henry Thoreau from his book Walden, published in 1854.
这是亨利·梭罗 1854 年出版的著作《瓦尔登湖》中的人物。
It is a clean line of heritage from this to the voluntary simplicity movement and so many other movements today, which seek to shed all the stuff that clutters our lives, fills our heads.
从这一运动到今天的自愿简约运动和许多其他运动，这是一条清晰的遗产，这些运动试图摆脱所有那些扰乱我们生活、充斥着我们头脑的东西。
Here's Thoreau again.
梭罗又来了。
"The nation is cluttered with furniture and tripped up by its own traps, ruined by luxury and heedless expense.
“这个国家堆满了家具，被自己的陷阱绊倒，被奢侈和不顾一切的开支毁了。
It lives too fast.
它活得太快了。
Men think that it's essential that the nation have commerce and export ice and talk through a telegraph and ride 30 miles an hour.
人们认为国家有商业和出口冰、通过电报通话和每小时 30 英里的骑行速度是至关重要的。
But whether we should live like baboons or like men is a little uncertain."
但我们是否应该像狒狒一样生活，还是像人一样生活，还有些不确定。”
Here's my favorite passage from Thoreau.
这是我最喜欢的梭罗的一段话。
It's especially appropriate for this week-- for any week, really, in which people are obsessed with the news.
它特别适合本周——实际上，适合人们痴迷于新闻的任何一周。
What I love about it is this simultaneously provocative and completely reasonable and, at the same time from my perspective, almost totally nuts.
我喜欢它的原因在于，它同时具有挑衅性和完全合理性，同时从我的角度来看，几乎完全是疯狂的。
He writes, "I am sure that I have never read any memorable news in a newspaper.
他写道：“我确信我从未在报纸上读过任何令人难忘的新闻。
If we read of one man robbed, or murdered, or killed by accident, or one house burned, or one vessel wrecked, or one steamboat blown up, or one cow run over on the Western Railroad, or one mad dog killed, or one lot of grasshoppers in the winter, we never need read of another.
如果我们读到一个人被抢劫、被谋杀或被意外杀害，或者一所房子被烧毁，或者一艘船被毁，或者一艘汽船被炸毁，或者一头牛在西部铁路上被碾压，或者一只疯狗被杀，或者冬天有很多蚱蜢，我们就不需要再读到其他的故事了。
One is enough.
一个就够了。
If you're acquainted with the principle, what do you care for myriad instances and applications?
如果你熟悉这个原理，那么你还关心无数的实例和应用程序吗？
"To a philosopher, all 'news,' as it's called, is gossip.
“对于哲学家来说，所有所谓的‘新闻’都是八卦。
And they who edit and read it are old women over their tea.
编辑和阅读这本书的人都是喝茶的老妇人。
Yet, not if you were greedy after this gossip.
然而，如果你在听完这些流言蜚语后感到贪婪，那就不会了。
News which I seriously think a ready wit might write a twelvemonth or 12 years beforehand with sufficient accuracy.
我认真地认为，一个机智的人可能会提前十二个月或十二年写出足够准确的新闻。
"As for Spain, for instance.
“以西班牙为例。
If you know how to throw in Don Carlos and the Infanta, and Don Pedro and Seville and Granada, from time to time in the right proportions-- they may have changed names a little since I saw the papers-- it will be true to the letter and give us as good an idea of the exact state or ruin of things in Spain as the most succinct and lucid reports under this head in the newspapers.
如果你知道如何时不时地以正确的比例加入唐·卡洛斯和公主、唐·佩德罗、塞维利亚和格拉纳达——自从我看到报纸以来，他们的名字可能已经稍稍改变了——那么它就会一字不差地告诉我们西班牙的确切状况或毁灭情况，就像报纸上这个标题下最简洁明了的报道一样。
And as for England, almost the last significant scrap of news from that quarter was the revolution of 1649."
至于英国，该季度最后的重大新闻几乎就是 1649 年的革命。”
Well, we move on.
好吧，我们继续前进。
One of the difficulties with simplifying your life is that people are complicated.
简化生活的困难之一是人是复杂的。
So simplifying your life often means cutting yourself off from people, which can be complicated in and of itself.
因此，简化生活通常意味着与人隔绝，这本身就很复杂。
Ethan Watters has this story.
伊森·沃特斯有这样一个故事。
A couple of years ago, my best friend, Larry left his life in San Francisco to study Zen at a monastery in the mountains near Los Angeles.
几年前，我最好的朋友拉里离开了旧金山的生活，到洛杉矶附近山区的一座修道院学习禅宗。
What made his decision so unsettling was that Larry used to be me.
让他的决定如此令人不安的是拉里曾经是我。
We lived in the same flat.
我们住在同一间公寓里。
We had the same friends.
我们有同样的朋友。
We were both writers.
我们都是作家。
We wrote for the same magazines.
我们为同一本杂志撰稿。
For me, this life was a blessing.
对我来说，这样的生活是一种幸福。
Larry said it was a torturous cycle of unfulfillable desire rotting him from the inside.
拉里说，这是一个无法实现的欲望的痛苦循环，从内部腐烂了他。
Larry has now been ordained as a monk.
拉里现已出家为僧。
He's even taken a new zen name, Takado.
他甚至还取了一个新的禅宗名字：Takado。
It's been two years, but I still don't fully understand how he could have rejected our life in San Francisco.
已经两年了，但我仍然不完全明白他怎么会拒绝我们在旧金山的生活。
Larry picks me up at the airport while on an errand run for the Zen Center.
拉里（Larry）去机场接我，当时我正在去禅宗中心办事。
Here's what we have to do.
这就是我们必须做的。
We have to go Home Depot and buy a lot of things that I'm not so sure about.
我们必须去家得宝买很多我不太确定的东西。
So we'll have to figure a lot of things out in Home Depot.
所以我们必须在家得宝解决很多问题。
And then we have to find this dry cleaners place that I think is on Central or Monte Vista.
然后我们必须找到这个干洗店，我认为是在中环或蒙特维斯塔。
For what?
为了什么？
Larry To bring a bowing mat that somebody spilled wax on.
拉里·托（Larry To）带来了一个有人把蜡洒在上面的弓垫。
And then we have to go to--
然后我们必须去——
In his new life, Larry wakes up at 2:50 in the morning to make tea for the rest of the monks and students.
在他的新生活中，拉里在凌晨2点50分起床，为其他僧侣和学生泡茶。
From 3:00 AM, it's bowing, chanting, meditation, and meetings with the Japanese zen master until the afternoon.
从凌晨 3:00 开始，人们会鞠躬、诵经、冥想，并与日本禅宗大师会面，直到下午。
Then he's in charge of constructing a toilet building for the monastery.
然后他负责为寺院建造厕所建筑。
Then more chanting in the evening.
然后晚上再念诵。
The daily schedule ends at 9:00 at night.
每日行程于晚上 9:00 结束。
I have to admit that I take a bit of perverse pleasure in the fact that even though Larry has rejected the secular life, he still has to navigate Home Depot, trying to figure out which grade of sand he needs to buy.
我不得不承认，尽管拉里拒绝了世俗生活，但他仍然必须在家得宝（Home Depot）中导航，试图弄清楚他需要购买哪种等级的沙子，这一事实让我感到有点反常的快乐。
30 mesh sand.
30目沙。
Man I don't know that I'd use this.
伙计，我不知道我会用这个。
What would you use?
你会用什么？
Man The reason is that this stuff doesn't absorb water well.
伙计，原因是这东西吸水性不好。
Oh yeah?
哦，是吗？
Ethan Watters Driving around the suburbs filling the pickup with supplies is like old times.
伊森·沃特斯 (Ethan Watters) 在郊区开车兜风，用皮卡装满补给品，就像往日一样。
We gossip about mutual friends, talk about this and that.
我们谈论共同的朋友，谈论这谈论那。
But that evening in the monastery when we get together on one of his breaks, things get a little more tense.
但那天晚上在修道院，当我们在他的一次休息时间聚在一起时，事情变得更加紧张了。
We have the same conversation we've had a dozen times.
我们已经进行过十几次同样的谈话了。
I still want him to explain what's wrong with his old life, the life we shared.
我仍然想让他解释一下他以前的生活，我们共同的生活，出了什么问题。
Here's what he says.
他是这么说的。
Never been content.
从来没有满足过。
Restless.
不安。
Never been there, never really being present, never being able to give myself fully to what it was.
从来没有去过那里，从来没有真正存在过，从来没有能够完全奉献自己。
Holding back, ambivalence.
压抑，矛盾。
Did you see that about other people in San Francisco?
您在旧金山的其他人身上看到过这种情况吗？
Who, you?
谁，你？
Ethan Watters Yeah, like me.
伊森·沃特斯 是的，就像我一样。
So what's the answer to my-- I mean, do you think I'm-- of course, I'm suffering, I guess.
那么我的答案是什么——我的意思是，你认为我——当然，我想我正在受苦。
But it also seems balanced out by this remarkably joyful existence.
但这似乎也被这种非常快乐的存在所平衡。
I guess I don't see it as a torture.
我想我并不认为这是一种折磨。
That's why you're still in San Francisco and I'm here, because I saw it as a torture.
这就是为什么你还在旧金山而我在这里，因为我认为这是一种折磨。
And it would be silly for me to try to convince you that it's torture.
如果我试图让你相信这是一种折磨，那就太愚蠢了。
In a sense, I don't really want to do that.
从某种意义上说，我真的不想这样做。
What all these masters of various traditions say is, of course, you're blind and you're living in a dream.
当然，所有这些不同传统的大师所说的是，你们是盲目的，你们生活在梦中。
You don't know, you don't realize how much suffering you're in.
你不知道，你不知道你正承受着多大的痛苦。
But they don't go out dragging people out of their houses and saying, well, actually you're suffering.
但他们不会出去把人从家里拖出来，然后说，好吧，实际上你正在受苦。
Whatever.
任何。
Through some circumstances, I found this path.
通过一些情况，我找到了这条路。
I heard this message and addressed suffering that was real to me.
我听到了这个信息并讲述了我真实的痛苦。
And I moved in that direction.
我朝那个方向前进。
And I've got to go.
我得走了。
My visit is a burden for him.
我的来访对他来说是一种负担。
He's fitting it in during short breaks between chores and meditation.
他会在做家务和冥想之间的短暂休息时间进行调整。
I'm cutting into his five hours of sleep.
我要削减他五个小时的睡眠时间。
I follow as he goes to hit this big ceremonial piece of wood which signals the end of the day for the monastery.
我跟着他去敲击这块巨大的仪式木头，这标志着修道院一天的结束。
After he's finished whacking the wood, Larry and I climb up the hill behind the monastery.
他敲完木头后，拉里和我爬上了修道院后面的小山。
Hey, this is nice.
嘿，这很好。
Wow.
哇。
Larry We've got a view and nobody sees it.
拉里：我们有一个观点，但没有人看到它。
Yeah.
是的。
Larry That's the sea of, you know, the LA sprawl.
拉里：你知道，那是洛杉矶蔓延的海洋。
It's pretty huge.
这是相当巨大的。
We sit down and talk.
我们坐下来谈谈。
Ethan Watters I want to know what you missed about San Francisco when you first came here and what you miss now about it or whether that's changed or whether those things have dissipated.
伊森·沃特斯（Ethan Watters）我想知道当你第一次来到这里时，你对旧金山怀念什么，现在你对它怀念什么，或者这些事情是否发生了变化，或者这些事情是否已经消失。
What did you miss about San Francisco when you first came?
当你第一次来旧金山时，你最怀念什么？
I didn't miss anything.
我没有错过任何东西。
I mean, I missed my friends.
我是说，我想念我的朋友们。
That's all.
就这样。
When you say "my friends, that's all," it seems like you're being sort of-- I guess, maybe, I took that as slightly dismissive of that.
当你说“我的朋友们，仅此而已”时，你似乎有点——我想，也许，我认为这有点不屑一顾。
That's all.
就这样。
To leave your friends is a thing that I couldn't, right now, do.
离开你的朋友是我现在做不到的事情。
Well, to make a possibly interesting situation truthful and boring, I did it in phases.
好吧，为了让一个可能有趣的情况变得真实而无聊，我分阶段做了。
I came here for three months.
我来这里三个月了。
When I first came back here, I thought, God, I hate this place so much.
当我第一次回到这里时，我想，上帝啊，我非常讨厌这个地方。
I remember that I hated-- I hate this life.
我记得我讨厌——我讨厌这种生活。
It's hard.
这很难。
It's cold.
是冷的。
I'm tired.
我累了。
I don't like to get up.
我不喜欢起床。
It's mind numbing sitting in this box.
坐在这个盒子里感觉很麻木。
My knees hurt.
我的膝盖受伤了。
I'm bored out of my skull.
我实在是无聊透了。
I'm going to leave pretty soon.
我很快就要离开了。
That's what I thought.
我就是这么想的。
But I said, well, it's kind of embarrassing to go running back, so I'll hang.
但我说，好吧，跑回来有点尴尬，所以我就挂了。
For the wrong reason that works the right way, I stayed.
出于错误但有效的原因，我留下来了。
And then in time, things unfolded, and they were so powerful.
然后随着时间的推移，事情展开了，而且它们是如此强大。
And they brought me crying to my knees enough times, and I felt like the years that I had been traveling around the world and seeing all these things had felt like I was traveling around the world in an iron lung.
他们让我多次跪下哭泣，我感觉这些年来我一直在世界各地旅行，看到所有这些事情，感觉就像我在铁肺里环游世界。
And here I was given the opportunity to get out of the iron lung and live in this simple place in the mountains.
而在这里，我有机会走出铁肺，生活在山里这个简朴的地方。
I wish that my friends could experience what I've experienced.
我希望我的朋友们能够经历我所经历的事情。
And the world is a thousand times more interesting to me now than it was.
现在的世界对我来说比以前有趣一千倍。
Have you discovered in all this why you are so tortured-- I mean, why you are more tortured than, say, me?
在这一切中，你有没有发现为什么你会受到如此的折磨——我的意思是，为什么你比我，比如我，受到更多的折磨？
Although you claim to know that I'm tortured as well.
尽管你声称知道我也受到折磨。
But you have to believe me.
但你必须相信我。
When I see you, many times I see you as a portrait of torture.
当我看到你的时候，很多时候我把你看作是酷刑的写照。
Your posture and your eyes looking away.
你的姿势和你看向别处的眼睛。
And I can ask a few strategic, simple questions if I were to be sadistic about it and want to see this state of writhing.
如果我对此感到虐待并希望看到这种翻腾的状态，我可以问一些战略性的、简单的问题。
I can see you writhe in the way your eyes dart and the distraction of you.
我可以看到你在你的眼神和分心的方式中扭动。
Like what questions?
比如问什么问题？
What are we talking about?
我们在说什么？
How's things going with your girlfriend?
你和女朋友怎么样了？
That could be a question I could have asked any time in the last five years and seen you do the dance of writhing.
这可能是我在过去五年里任何时候都可以问的问题，并且看到你跳着扭动的舞蹈。
You're writhing now.
你现在正在扭动。
I ask you this question and you're writhing now.
我问你这个问题，而你现在却在扭动。
You're not writhing because of the question entirely.
你并不完全因为这个问题而痛苦不已。
You're writhing because it points to a deep sore spot in your soul.
你在扭动，因为它指向你灵魂深处的痛处。
The problem with this discussion is that we disagree on all the premises.
这次讨论的问题在于我们在所有前提上都存在分歧。
Larry doesn't see any value in his old life, the life I'm still leading.
拉里认为他以前的生活（我现在仍然过着的生活）没有任何价值。
He thinks I'm barely experiencing the world.
他认为我几乎没有体验过这个世界。
I have the same doubts about his life.
我对他的人生也有同样的怀疑。
He says he's never felt more alive, but I see his move to the simple life of the monastery as a withdrawl from the world.
他说他从未感到如此充满活力，但我认为他转向修道院的简单生活就像是从世界中退出。
It would be easier to be more accepting of his choice if he could be more accepting of my world view.
如果他能更接受我的世界观，他就更容易接受他的选择。
The fact is, Larry tried to simplify and clarify his life by coming here.
事实上，拉里来到这里试图简化和澄清他的生活。
But his life refused to be simplified.
但他的生活拒绝被简化。
Shortly after he arrived at Mt. Baldy, he met a charming zen student named Katherine.
到达秃头山后不久，他遇到了一位迷人的禅宗学生，名叫凯瑟琳。
Love affairs are discouraged at Mt. Baldy, so for over a year, Larry and Katherine had a mattress in the woods, and they would sneak away when they could.
秃头山不鼓励恋爱，所以一年多来，拉里和凯瑟琳在树林里睡了一张床垫，只要有可能，他们就会偷偷溜走。
When Larry decided that he couldn't fulfill his monk duties, study zen, and have a relationship with Katherine, she left the monastery.
当拉里决定无法履行僧侣职责、学习禅宗并与凯瑟琳建立关系时，她离开了修道院。
Larry's now decided that in a few months, after the toilet building is finished, he'll follow her.
拉里现在决定，几个月后，厕所大楼完工后，他将跟随她。
I feel vindicated that he's leaving.
我觉得他的离开是正确的。
I'm not proud of that.
我并不为此感到自豪。
Is it a possibility that you'd come back to San Francisco?
您有可能回到旧金山吗？
I don't know.
我不知道。
Ethan Watters Does it feel like a step back now?
伊森·沃特斯 (Ethan Watters) 现在感觉像是退后一步吗？
Maybe it does.
也许确实如此。
I don't know.
我不知道。
Maybe it feels like a part of my life-- it's going to sound pompous to say I moved beyond it, but it's just suffused with things that I don't really want to pursue.
也许它感觉像是我生活的一部分——说我已经超越了它，这听起来很浮夸，但它只是充满了我并不真正想要追求的东西。
So Larry and Katherine are going looking for another Zen community, a place that accepts couples.
所以拉里和凯瑟琳正在寻找另一个禅宗社区，一个接受情侣的地方。
Before I leave, I ask Larry to play some of his songs.
在我离开之前，我请拉里播放他的一些歌曲。
Again, it's an experience where we disagree on every premise.
再说一次，这是一次我们在每个前提上都存在分歧的经历。
I miss the times our friends would gather to hear him sing.
我怀念我们的朋友们聚集在一起听他唱歌的时光。
I think it's a crime that he stopped writing his songs.
我认为他停止写歌是一种犯罪。
Larry sees it differently.
拉里却有不同的看法。
He calls them a catalog of his torture.
他称它们为他遭受酷刑的目录。
But I make him sing a few for me.
但我让他唱几首给我听。
I want to get them on tape.
我想把它们录成磁带。
Messages from the old Larry, a person I miss more than he does.
来自老拉里的留言，我比他更想念他。
[SINGING] Leave me alone.
[唱歌] 让我一个人呆着。
Leave me blue.
留给我蓝色。
Leave me, because I can't bear to leave you.
离开我吧，因为我舍不得离开你。
Say goodnight.
说晚安。
Hang up the phone.
挂断电话。
Believe me, when you leave me, you will leave me alone.
相信我，当你离开我时，你就会离开我。
Well, our program was produced today by Alix Spiegel and myself with Nancy Updike and Julie Snyder, senior editor Paul Tough, contributing editors Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, and consigliere Sarah Vowell.
今天我们的节目由阿利克斯·斯皮格尔和我本人、南希·厄普代克和朱莉·斯奈德、高级编辑保罗·托夫、特约编辑杰克·希特、玛吉·罗克林和顾问莎拉·沃威尔共同制作。
Production help from Laura Doggett and [?
劳拉·道吉特 (Laura Doggett) 和 [?
Sini ?] Davenport.
西尼？]达文波特。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] In other program notes, with this program, Paul Tough leaves his job as our senior editor to move back to Canada where he's going to run a big magazine called Saturday Night.
[致谢] 在其他节目说明中，在这个节目中，Paul Tough 辞去了我们高级编辑的工作，搬回加拿大，在那里他将经营一本名为《周六夜》的大型杂志。
Partly, the idea of the magazine, the name of it, comes from the very Canadian idea that on Saturday night, you stay home and you read a magazine.
部分地，这本杂志的想法，它的名字，来自于加拿大人的想法，即周六晚上，你呆在家里读一本杂志。
We'll miss Paul.
我们会想念保罗的。
Paul should still show up here on our program from time to time.
保罗仍然应该时不时地出现在我们的节目中。
If you want to buy a cassette of this or any of our radio programs, you can call us here at WBEZ in Chicago, 312-832-3380.
如果您想购买本节目或我们任何广播节目的磁带，您可以致电芝加哥的 WBEZ，电话：312-832-3380。
Our email address, [email protected] .
我们的电子邮件地址，[电子邮件受保护]。
Or you can listen to most of our programs for free on the internet, www.thislife.org.
或者您也可以在互联网上免费收听我们的大部分节目：www.thislife.org。
That's thislife, one word, no space.
这就是此生，一个字，没有空间。
Thanks to Elizabeth Meister, who does our website.
感谢伊丽莎白·梅斯特 (Elizabeth Meister) 负责我们的网站。
Eustace Conway, the guy who led the trip across the country on a horse, has his own website.
尤斯塔斯·康威 (Eustace Conway) 是骑马穿越整个国家的人，他有自己的网站。
You know, this is just how far the internet has gone.
你知道，这就是互联网已经发展到的程度。
People who live without electricity have their own websites.
没有电的人们有自己的网站。
That address, members.aol.com/tipreserve.
该地址是members.aol.com/tipreserve。
Or you could just get there from our site.
或者您也可以从我们的网站到达那里。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who describes management oversight this way--
[资金来源] Torey Malatia 的 WBEZ 管理监督，他这样描述管理监督——
Tortuous cycle of unfulfillable desire rotting him from the inside.
无法实现的欲望的曲折循环从内部腐烂了他。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week more stories of This American Life .
我是艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass），下周我们会回来报道更多《美国生活》的故事。
Many times, I see you as a portrait of torture.
很多时候，我把你视为酷刑的写照。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。