109: Notes on Camp - This American Life
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Prologue Ira Glass It's a typical camp, all the normal activities-- canoeing, archery, sports.
序言 Ira Glass 这是一个典型的营地，一切正常的活动——划独木舟、射箭、体育运动。
There are two girls who everybody calls the homesick girls, who will cheerfully identify themselves that way to anybody they meet.
有两个女孩，大家都称其为“想家女孩”，她们会很高兴地向遇到的任何人表明自己的身份。
She wants to go home.
她想回家。
Homesick Girl 1 I do.
想家的女孩1 我愿意。
I swear to God, I want to go home.
我向上帝发誓，我想回家。
The food is like the best.
食物就像是最好的。
Homesick Girl 2 I want to go home too.
想家的女孩2 我也想回家。
Including me.
包括我。
Ira Glass Because it's a pretty upscale camp, there's also horseback riding.
Ira Glass 因为这是一个相当高档的营地，所以还可以骑马。
And on the rifle range, suburban girls from Chicago's North Shore lay on their bellies in sniper position while a real former Israeli soldier barks orders about how to shoot.
在步枪射击场上，来自芝加哥北岸的郊区女孩以狙击手的姿势趴着，而一名真正的前以色列士兵则大声喊叫着如何射击。
I know it's really hard for you ladies to keep it quiet, but try, OK?
我知道女士们保持安静真的很难，但是请尝试一下，好吗？
Aim and fire.
瞄准并开火。
The boys' cabins are all named after Indian tribes, the girls' cabins are all named after women's colleges.
男生小屋均以印第安部落命名，女生小屋均以女子学院命名。
So perky little suburban kids are constantly informing you, I'm an Apache, I'm Mohawk, I'm in Vassar, I'm in Bryn Mawr.
活泼的郊区小孩子不断地告诉你，我是阿帕奇人，我是莫霍克人，我在瓦萨，我在布林莫尔。
And it seems pretty simple, but everybody here will tell you, no one back home understands it.
这看起来很简单，但是这里的每个人都会告诉你，家里没有人明白。
None of their friends, nobody.
他们的朋友都没有，没有人。
There is just a gap between camp people and non-camp people.
营员和非营员之间只是有差距。
I know.
我知道。
All the time during school, I'm like, I want to go to camp.
在学校期间，我一直在想，我想去露营。
I want to do this.
我想做这个。
Camp is all I talk about during the year.
营地是我这一年里谈论的一切。
Yeah.
是的。
My friends get so mad at me.
我的朋友们对我很生气。
They're like, we don't want to hear about camp anymore.
他们说，我们不想再听到有关营地的事情了。
Because everything that goes on at home, you can always think of something that relates something that happened at camp.
因为家里发生的一切，你总能想到一些与营地发生的事情有关的事情。
And so then you tell that, and they'll be like, camp?
然后你告诉他们，他们就会说，营地？
We've heard about camp way too much.
我们对营地听得太多了。
It's also little stories you tell, and you think they're so funny and everybody in your cabin understands them.
这也是你讲的小故事，你认为它们很有趣，而且你舱里的每个人都能理解它们。
And then you go home and you're laughing, and they give you a look like, what are you talking about?
然后你回家笑着，他们看着你，你在说什么？
Like, that's stupid.
就像，那是愚蠢的。
Well, today on our program, we try to bridge the gap between camp people and non-camp people who try to understand what is the cult-like, mystical connection some people feel with their summer camps?
好吧，今天在我们的节目中，我们试图弥合夏令营人员和非夏令营人员之间的差距，他们试图了解一些人与夏令营之间的邪教般的神秘联系是什么？
From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life.
来自芝加哥 WBEZ 和国际公共广播电台的《This American Life》。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Today on our program, Notes On Camp.
今天我们的节目《营地笔记》。
Six different notes, some recorded at a summer camp, and some amazing stories that actually came from you, people who listen to this program and called us up to talk camp.
六个不同的笔记，有些是在夏令营录制的，有些精彩的故事实际上来自你们，那些收听这个节目并打电话给我们参加谈话营的人。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
Most of today's program takes place in Michigan, not far from Paw Paw.
今天的大部分节目都在密歇根州举行，距离 Paw Paw 不远。
Two affiliated camps, Greenwoods and Lake of the Woods, one is a boys camp, one's a girls camp.
两个附属营地，Greenwoods 和 Lake of the Woods，一个是男孩营地，一个是女孩营地。
But they sit on the same land.
但他们坐在同一片土地上。
They share everything.
他们分享一切。
Basically they function as one camp.
基本上他们作为一个营地运作。
Producer Julie Snyder and I spent a fair amount of time there.
制片人朱莉·斯奈德和我在那里度过了相当多的时间。
Julie usually hung out with the girls, I usually stayed with the boys.
朱莉通常和女孩们一起出去玩，我通常和男孩们呆在一起。
Here then, our findings.
接下来是我们的发现。
Let's try the chorus again, because something in that last part is weird.
让我们再尝试一下副歌，因为最后一部分有些奇怪。
Counselors David Himmel and Dean Hines practice a song for Saturday night's camp show.
辅导员大卫·希梅尔和迪恩·海因斯正在为周六晚上的营地表演练习一首歌。
OK.
好的。
(SINGING) And even Hitler had a girlfriend who he could always call.
（唱歌）甚至希特勒也有一个他可以随时打电话的女朋友。
She'd always be there for him, in spite of all his faults.
尽管他有种种缺点，她仍会永远在他身边。
He was the worst guy ever, vile and despised.
他是有史以来最糟糕的人，卑鄙且受人鄙视。
Even Hitler had a girlfriend, so why can't-- (SPEAKING) It goes to high there.
连希特勒都有女朋友，那为什么不能——（说话）那里的事情太高了。
That's the problem, It's going too high.
这就是问题所在，太高了。
You think so?
你这么认为吗？
David Himmel (SINGING) Even Hitler had a girlfriend, so I can't--
大卫·希梅尔（演唱）连希特勒都有女朋友，所以我不能——
David Himmel has been coming to this camp since he was 11.
大卫·希梅尔 (David Himmel) 从 11 岁起就来到这个营地。
Now, he's a counselor and a sailing instructor, a college sophomore, a boy with clear, blue eyes who actually has no trouble getting a girlfriend.
现在，他是一名辅导员和帆船教练，一名大学二年级学生，一个有着清澈蓝眼睛的男孩，实际上在找女朋友方面没有任何困难。
Like a lot of campers and counselors we met at this camp, he says that all the best moments of his life have either been at camp or with camp people.
就像我们在这个营地遇到的许多营员和辅导员一样，他说他一生中最美好的时刻要么是在营地，要么是和营地的人在一起。
David Himmel Camp.
大卫·希梅尔·坎普。
it's number one with everything I do, I guess.
我想，这是我所做的一切中的第一。
Camp is just-- it's kind of ridiculous, but it's everything.
营地只是——有点荒谬，但它就是一切。
It changes people's lives.
它改变了人们的生活。
People base their life around camp.
人们的生活以营地为基础。
I would not be who I am if it wasn't for camp.
如果没有夏令营，我就不会成为现在的我。
Who would you be?
你会是谁？
David Himmel I don't know.
大卫·希梅尔 我不知道。
I think I enjoy things better now because of camp.
我想因为露营我现在更喜欢事情了。
When you live so close to people like this-- and it's sort of like college-- but everybody at camp is just real close knit.
当你和这样的人住得很近时——有点像大学——但营地里的每个人都非常紧密。
It's like a bond that just happens.
这就像刚刚发生的纽带。
And that's why a day at camp is like two weeks in real life.
这就是为什么营地里的一天就像现实生活中的两周。
It's like a time warp here.
这里就像时间扭曲一样。
And people at summer camp treat David with a deference that few of us get in real life.
夏令营里的人们对待大卫的态度是我们在现实生活中很少有人能得到的。
He and I are walking around camp one day when a group of 13-year-old girls comes up to us.
有一天，我和他在营地周围散步，一群 13 岁的女孩向我们走来。
He is the best counselor.
他是最好的辅导员。
David Himmel This is my fan club.
大卫·希梅尔 这是我的粉丝俱乐部。
[LAUGHS]
[笑]
He's the best counselor in the world, and we love him so much.
他是世界上最好的辅导员，我们非常爱他。
What makes him the best counselor in the world?
是什么让他成为世界上最好的辅导员？
He takes us sailing.
他带我们航行。
Girl 2 He takes us sailing.
女孩2 他带我们航行。
He's cool.
他很酷。
We made him all this food, made him a song.
我们给他做了这些食物，给他做了一首歌。
And we have a song for him.
我们有一首歌献给他。
Ira Glass Let me hear his song.
艾拉·格拉斯 让我听听他的歌。
No, you guys don't know it.
不，你们不知道。
I'll sing it.
我会唱它。
(SINGING) All across the big lake, Davey's the one that keeps us awake.
（唱歌）在大湖的另一边，戴维是让我们保持清醒的人。
We got the rudder, we got the sail.
我们掌握了舵，我们掌握了帆。
Davey, [CLAPS] [CLAPS] he's our male.
戴维，[鼓掌][鼓掌]他是我们的男人。
We got a D-A-V-E-Y.
我们得到了 D-A-V-E-Y。
We got a D-A-V-E-Y.
我们得到了 D-A-V-E-Y。
We got a D-A-V-E-Y.
我们得到了 D-A-V-E-Y。
Davey, [CLAPS] [CLAPS] he's our guy.
戴维，[鼓掌][鼓掌]他是我们的人。
D-A-V-E-Y, Davey, Davey.
D-A-V-E-Y，戴维，戴维。
D-A-V-E-Y, Davey's number one.
D-A-V-E-Y，戴维的第一名。
Davey's number one, Davey's number one.
戴维是第一，戴维是第一。
D-A-V-E-Y, Davey's number one.
D-A-V-E-Y，戴维的第一名。
Whoo!
呼！
It's time for lunch.
午饭时间到了。
Everyone, get out of your cabins, please, immediately, and head over to get some delicious food.
请大家立即离开你们的小屋，去吃一些美味的食物。
That would mean stop playing ping pong right now.
这意味着现在就停止打乒乓球。
Let's go.
我们走吧。
Go to lunch.
去吃午饭吧。
Almuerzo.
阿尔穆尔佐.
La comida.
拉科米达。
I sit next to Dave at lunch one day.
有一天午餐时，我坐在戴夫旁边。
In the mess hall, everybody at camp eats together, and it is constant singing.
食堂里，营地里的每个人都在一起吃饭，歌声不断。
The girls have their own traditional songs, the boys have theirs.
女孩有自己的传统歌曲，男孩有自己的传统歌曲。
Most of the cabins have songs of their own.
大多数小屋都有自己的歌曲。
After the oldest girls' cabin sings their cheer, which, by tradition, is chanted so quickly that none of the boys and none of the younger girls can figure out what the words are, the oldest boys' cabin, the Mohawks, stands to respond.
在最年长的女孩小屋唱起欢呼声后（按照传统，唱得很快，以至于没有一个男孩和年轻的女孩能听懂歌词是什么），最年长的男孩小屋，莫霍克人，站起来回应。
(CHANTING) Mohawk once, Mohawk twice.
（唱诵）莫霍克一次，莫霍克两次。
[INAUDIBLE]
[听不清]
Dave turns to me.
戴夫转向我。
David Himmel I made that up.
大卫·希梅尔是我编的。
What are the words?
是什么词？
David Himmel Well, it's a radio version of the original Mohawk-- it's called the Mohawk Song.
David Himmel 嗯，这是原始莫霍克音乐的广播版本——它被称为莫霍克之歌。
It goes, Mohawk once, Mohawk twice.
一次莫霍克，两次莫霍克。
Holy jumping, golly gee, Cheez Whiz, we're the best that ever lived.
神圣的跳跃，天哪，Cheez Whiz，我们是有史以来最好的。
And it's a clean version.
而且这是一个干净的版本。
There's a dirty version with swear words in it.
有一个肮脏的版本，里面有脏话。
And we started singing it at lunch.
我们在午餐时开始唱这首歌。
We kept on getting in trouble, I said, well, we got to make a clean one.
我们不断陷入麻烦，我说，好吧，我们必须解决一个干净的问题。
Radio edit.
广播编辑。
David Himmel And it just popped into my head, and it's kind of cool hearing that.
David Himmel：这句话突然出现在我的脑海中，听到这个消息真是太酷了。
I started all these things.
我开始了所有这些事情。
Like what else?
还有什么？
David Himmel Well, when somebody has a birthday, we sing "Happy Birthday" to them.
大卫·希梅尔 嗯，当有人过生日时，我们会为他们唱“生日快乐”。
And this is kind of dumb, but I get a kick out of it.
这有点愚蠢，但我从中得到了乐趣。
We go, (SINGING) Happy birthday to you-- and last year, I went, whoo!
我们走，（唱歌）祝你生日快乐——去年，我走了，哇！
And now everybody does it.
现在每个人都这样做。
And it's just kind of cool.
这真的很酷。
You make stuff up, and--
你编造一些东西，然后——
It survives.
它幸存下来。
David's a force.
大卫是一股力量。
David is the one who people turn to.
大卫是人们求助的人。
David is the man, at least when it comes to some things.
大卫就是这样的人，至少在某些事情上是这样。
The night of the last camp dance, David wanders the grounds, keeping his eye out for the 13-year-old boys in his cabin.
最后一次营地舞会的那天晚上，大卫在场地里闲逛，留意着小屋里 13 岁的男孩们。
He spots two of them sitting with two girls, and he says to me--
他看到其中两个和两个女孩坐在一起，他对我说——
You got four 13-year-olds just chilling in a circle.
四个 13 岁的孩子围成一圈。
Sitting on the ground.
坐在地上。
David Himmel Sitting on the ground, Indian style.
大卫·希梅尔坐在地上，印度风格。
It's like a powwow.
这就像一个仪式。
And Dan is with Amanda, and he's going to try and kiss her tonight.
丹和阿曼达在一起，他今晚要尝试亲吻她。
Has he ever kissed a girl?
他吻过女孩吗？
David Himmel That's what I asked him.
大卫·希梅尔：这就是我问他的。
I said, have you ever kissed a girl?
我说，你吻过女孩子吗？
He said, well, not French.
他说，好吧，不是法语。
I said, do you got the gall to do it?
我说你有胆量这么做吗？
Can you do it?
你能做到吗？
You need some pumping up?
你需要打气吗？
He's like, no, I got it.
他说，不，我明白了。
Which one is Amanda?
阿曼达是哪一位？
David Himmel Amanda's the one with the hair braid.
大卫·希梅尔·阿曼达 (David Himmel Amanda) 就是那个扎着辫子的人。
The beads in her hair?
她头发上的珠子？
David Himmel Yeah.
大卫·希梅尔 是的。
Now, Dan is just sitting there, kind of quiet.
现在，丹只是坐在那里，有点安静。
But he's not really saying very much.
但他其实并没有说太多。
He's a quiet kid.
他是一个安静的孩子。
I mean, he doesn't really say anything unless he has something to say.
我的意思是，除非他有话要说，否则他不会真正说什么。
Hey, buddy.
嘿，伙计。
He's a cool kid.
他是个很酷的孩子。
He's a really--
他真是一个——
How do you think he's doing?
你觉得他怎么样？
David Himmel In the cabin, or in general?
大卫·希梅尔 在机舱里，还是在一般情况下？
No, how do you think he's doing over there, right now, at this moment?
不，你认为他此时此刻在那边怎么样？
Oh, with Amanda?
哦，和阿曼达？
I think he's doing good.
我认为他做得很好。
She's really into him.
她真的很喜欢他。
In that hair thing, she's got three beads that says, A heart D.
在那头发上，她有三颗珠子，上面写着：A心D。
Amanda loves Dan.
阿曼达爱丹。
And I talked to her, and I'm like, so how's Dan?
我和她谈过，我想，丹怎么样？
(IMITATING AMANDA) Oh, he's fine.
（模仿阿曼达）哦，他很好。
You like him?
你喜欢他吗？
(IMITATING AMANDA) Yeah.
（模仿阿曼达）是的。
So I think he's doing good.
所以我认为他做得很好。
One of the things he most likes about camp, David tells me, is the constant, ongoing drama.
大卫告诉我，他最喜欢营地的事情之一就是持续不断的戏剧性。
It is a soap opera.
这是一部肥皂剧。
And David is one of the people who's always making up skits and songs based on the hundred inside jokes that are at the heart of any camp humor.
大卫是总是根据数百个内部笑话创作短剧和歌曲的人之一，这些笑话是任何营地幽默的核心。
Later that night, after the dance, all of David's 13-year-olds are back in the Cheyenne cabin, getting ready for bed.
那天晚上晚些时候，舞会结束后，大卫所有 13 岁的孩子都回到了夏安小屋，准备睡觉。
And David gets a report from each one.
大卫从每个人那里得到一份报告。
What are you smiling about?
你在笑什么？
Keith Nothing.
基思 没什么。
And Dan?
丹呢？
Nothing happened?
什么都没发生？
Dan We just talked the whole night.
丹 我们就聊了一整夜。
And, well, we were just sitting there [LAUGHS] the whole night.
而且，好吧，我们整个晚上都坐在那里[笑]。
Why are you so embarrassed?
你为什么这么尴尬？
Dan We were just talking the whole night about really nothing.
丹 我们整个晚上都在谈论什么。
And then, just after, we-- I didn't get anywhere.
然后，就在之后，我们——我什么也没得到。
I just hugged her at the end.
我最后只是拥抱了她。
I didn't really get anywhere.
我真的什么也没得到。
If you had tried, do you think you could have?
如果你尝试过，你认为你能做到吗？
Yeah, I would have.
是的，我会的。
David Himmel So it's your fault, then.
大卫·希梅尔：那么，这是你的错。
No, it's her fault.
不，这是她的错。
David Himmel Why is it her fault?
大卫·希梅尔 为什么这是她的错？
Because she didn't-- well, I could have made a move, I guess.
因为她没有——好吧，我想我本来可以采取行动的。
But she didn't-- it's her fault.
但她没有——这是她的错。
She--
她——
Yeah, I think she likes you.
是的，我想她喜欢你。
You got to go for it.
你必须努力去做。
She's got that thing in her hair, one of the kids says.
一个孩子说，她的头发里有那个东西。
They all resolve that Dan will get another chance.
他们都决定让丹再获得一次机会。
David's got his back.
大卫得到了支持。
David will see that things go OK for him.
大卫会发现一切对他来说都很顺利。
Act Two: Fear Ira Glass Note number two, Fear.
第二幕：恐惧 Ira Glass 注意第二点，恐惧。
Sure, kids today, so sophisticated.
当然，现在的孩子们太复杂了。
They have email and PlayStation.
他们有电子邮件和 PlayStation。
It is encouraging, then, to realize that if you get them living in the woods a few weeks, they can be entertained by some of the most stupidly primitive forms of entertainment available since the dawn of civilization.
因此，令人鼓舞的是，如果你让他们在树林里生活几周，他们就可以享受一些自文明诞生以来最愚蠢的原始娱乐形式。
I'm talking about scary stories.
我说的是恐怖故事。
Every camp has got them.
每个营地都有他们。
This is so true you do not even need me to tell this to you.
这是千真万确的，你甚至不需要我告诉你。
12-year-olds know this.
12岁的孩子都知道这一点。
Girl 1 You know how every camp has their little ghost story?
Girl 1 你知道每个营地都有他们的小鬼故事吗？
Ours is about-- Girl 1 We have the story of Turtleman.
我们的故事是关于—— Girl 1 我们有海龟人的故事。
I'll tell it.
我会告诉它。
Girl 1 OK.
女孩1 好的。
Sarah will tell it.
莎拉会告诉你的。
The Turtleman story?
海龟人的故事？
All right, I'll tell it.
好吧，我会告诉它。
Long-- you can help me out if I do it wrong.
长——如果我做错了，你可以帮助我。
A long, long time ago, there was this counselor who was really mean to all of his campers and everything.
很久很久以前，有一位辅导员对他所有的营员和一切都很刻薄。
I can't remember how many years ago it was.
我不记得那是多少年前的事了。
But supposedly, there was this counselor, and he was dishonorably discharged from the military.
但据说，有这位顾问，他被不光彩地从军队开除。
And he was real, real mean to all the campers.
他对所有营员来说都是非常非常刻薄的。
He always took their food and stuff and, like, stole their clothes and stuff like that.
他总是拿走他们的食物和东西，就像偷他们的衣服和类似的东西。
He would beat them and everything, and his campers were so afraid of him.
他会打败他们以及一切，而他的营员们都非常害怕他。
And he said, if you tell anybody about me--
他说，如果你告诉任何人关于我的事——
Yeah, he said, if you tell anyone about me, then I'll kill you all.
是的，他说，如果你告诉任何人我的事，那么我就会杀掉你们所有人。
And he would read their letters, so they couldn't write home and tell about it.
他会读他们的信，这样他们就不能写信回家讲述这件事。
And one year, these campers had a foot locker filled with fireworks.
有一年，这些露营者的脚柜里装满了烟花。
But he found them, and he took them from them.
但他找到了他们，并从他们手中夺走了他们。
And so, on the Fourth of July, the guys were like, oh, well, he's so mean.
所以，在 7 月 4 日那天，这些人就像，哦，好吧，他太卑鄙了。
We should try and kill him ourselves.
我们应该尝试亲手杀死他。
We're not really this vicious here, but-- so they put fireworks under his bed.
我们这里并没有这么恶毒，但是——所以他们在他的床底下放了烟花。
And once he had fallen asleep, they all went up there and they lit--
一旦他睡着了，他们就都上去了，然后点燃了——
He was smoking a cigarette.
他正在抽烟。
Boy And then I guess they could smoke in the cabins because, I mean, it was many, many years ago, and I guess there wasn't a law.
男孩然后我想他们可以在小屋里吸烟，因为，我的意思是，那是很多很多年前的事了，我想没有法律。
And he took them, and he put the fireworks underneath his bed, and he fell asleep.
他接过它们，把烟花放在床底下，然后他就睡着了。
And, well, a cigarette fell out of his hand and into the foot locker.
好吧，一根香烟从他手里掉到了脚柜里。
The fireworks got lit, and he exploded.
烟花点燃了，他爆炸了。
And he ran into the lake on fire.
他跑进了着火的湖里。
Every Fourth of July, he comes back, and he takes revenge on a camper and pulls him into the lake.
每年七月四日，他都会回来，向一名露营者报仇，并将他拉入湖中。
Every Fourth of July, he comes out of the lake and takes someone in for his next victim.
每年七月四日，他都会从湖里出来，带人去寻找他的下一个受害者。
But what really happens on the Fourth of July is either a counselor or one of the Mohawks, without asking anyone, goes into the lake and comes out and scares the heck out of everyone.
但七月四日真正发生的事情要么是一名辅导员，要么是一名莫霍克人，没有询问任何人，就进入湖中，然后出来，把每个人都吓坏了。
But yeah, some of them really believe it.
但是，是的，他们中的一些人确实相信这一点。
So it's cool.
所以这很酷。
The older kids are funny in how they handle the ghost stories with the little kids.
大孩子们与小孩子们讲鬼故事的方式很有趣。
When producer Julie Snyder was interviewing a group of girls about Turtleman during arts and crafts one day, there was this moment.
有一天，当制片人朱莉·斯奈德在艺术和手工活动中采访一群关于海龟人的女孩时，就有了这样的时刻。
12-year-olds Rebecca Stern and Sarah Turkisher were talking about how they used to believe in Turtleman a few years ago when they were little, when, suddenly, some of the younger girls sitting around, Jenny Mayer and Nicole Horn, piped up, asking, well, is it true?
12 岁的丽贝卡·斯特恩 (Rebecca Stern) 和莎拉·土耳其尔 (Sarah Turkeyer) 正在谈论几年前她们小时候如何相信海龟人，突然，坐在周围的一些年轻女孩珍妮·梅尔 (Jenny Mayer) 和妮可·霍恩 (Nicole Horn) 大声问道，嗯，这是真的吗？
And then the older girls, unsure of what to say, in the course of 17 seconds take every possible position on the issue.
然后，年长的女孩们不知道该说什么，在 17 秒的时间内就这个问题采取了各种可能的立场。
Here's the tape.
这是磁带。
And then you tell all the little kids, but you're kind of cautious--
然后你告诉所有的小孩子，但你有点谨慎——
It's not true, is it?
这不是真的，是吗？
Sarah Turkisher No.
莎拉·土耳其人 No.
You said it was true.
你说的是真的。
Sarah Turkisher It is true.
莎拉·土耳其人 这是真的。
Who made it up, though?
但是谁编造的呢？
Rebecca Stern It's a legend.
丽贝卡·斯特恩 这是一个传奇。
It's a legend.
这是一个传奇。
Rebecca Stern It's a camp legend.
丽贝卡·斯特恩（Rebecca Stern） 这是营地的传奇人物。
Yeah.
是的。
Jenny Mayer So is it true, or isn't it true?
珍妮·梅尔：那么这是真的还是假的呢？
It's not.
它不是。
Rebecca Stern You'll never know.
丽贝卡·斯特恩 你永远不会知道。
No. You'll find out.
不，你会发现的。
Ira Glass The 10-year-olds seem to sit on the cusp of belief and disbelief when it comes to stories like this.
艾拉·格拉斯 (Ira Glass) 当谈到这样的故事时，10 岁的孩子似乎处于相信和怀疑的风口浪尖。
For them, talking about these stories is just part of the process of trying to puzzle out, how does the world exactly work?
对他们来说，谈论这些故事只是试图弄清楚世界到底是如何运转的过程的一部分？
When you're 10, remember, people are constantly telling you scary stories-- of murders, of kids with guns-- and the thing is, a lot of those stories are true.
请记住，当你 10 岁的时候，人们会不断地给你讲可怕的故事——谋杀、孩子持枪的故事——而事实是，这些故事很多都是真实的。
So you're still figuring out, where is the line between fiction and nonfiction?
所以你还在想，小说和非小说之间的界限在哪里？
One Saturday night, Aaron Etchler had all of his fellow 10-year-olds in the Sioux cabin completely worked up by telling them the story of Candyman.
一个周六的晚上，亚伦·埃奇勒 (Aaron Etchler) 给苏族小屋里所有 10 岁的孩子们讲述了糖果人 (Candyman) 的故事，让他们彻底兴奋起来。
Candyman, if you know this story, appears and kills you if you say his name 10 times.
糖果人，如果你知道这个故事，如果你说出他的名字十次，他就会出现并杀死你。
Aaron said that a friend of his had died this way.
阿龙说他的一个朋友就这样死了。
He was crying last night because of the Candyman.
昨晚他因为糖果人而哭了。
I was this close to killing myself because it was so scary.
我差一点就自杀了，因为这太可怕了。
And that freaked me out, like hysterically.
这让我吓坏了，就像歇斯底里一样。
We had to leave the bathroom light on last night because I keeped on saying, turn on the bathroom light on, man, I'm so scared.
昨晚我们不得不把浴室的灯打开，因为我一直说，打开浴室的灯，伙计，我太害怕了。
We kept our light on the whole night because we were so scared.
我们整个晚上都开着灯，因为我们很害怕。
What could be more fun than getting scared like that?
还有什么比像这样害怕更有趣的呢？
Nearly all of them had trouble sleeping, so much trouble that they were not allowed to tell any scary stories Sunday night at lights out.
几乎所有人都难以入睡，以至于他们不被允许在周日晚上熄灯时讲述任何恐怖故事。
So instead, they tried something else, an experiment.
因此，他们尝试了其他事情，即实验。
I joined them after dark, after evening activity, right before lights out, in their cabin.
天黑后，晚间活动结束后，熄灯前，我在他们的小屋里加入了他们。
--Bloody Mary-- Alex I'm Alex, and we're going to do a little seance over Bloody Mary.
--血腥玛丽-- 亚历克斯 我是亚历克斯，我们要为血腥玛丽举行一个小型降神会。
We're going to go into the bathroom.
我们要去洗手间。
I think our whole cabin is going to because this is going to be a great time.
我想我们整个小屋都会这么做，因为这将是一段美好的时光。
Yeah.
是的。
Alex What you're going to probably see is a bloody face when you say Bloody Mary 40 times.
当你说“血腥玛丽”40 次时，你可能会看到一张血淋淋的脸。
You'll see the bloody face of Bloody Mary.
你会看到血腥玛丽的血腥脸。
In the mirror?
在镜子里？
Boy 1 Yes.
男孩 1 是的。
Face in the blood, very ugly.
满脸都是血，十分难看。
Bloody face.
满脸血腥。
Boy 1 It's going to be scary.
男孩 1 这会很可怕。
I squeeze into the tiny bathroom with 12 10-year-old boys.
我和 12 个 10 岁的男孩一起挤进狭小的浴室。
Some of the boys hold their arms as if they're cradling a baby.
一些男孩握着双臂，就像抱着婴儿一样。
If you act like you have a baby in your hands, and you say Bloody Mary 50 times, then you'll have, actually, a dead baby in your hands.
如果你表现得好像你手里有一个婴儿，并且你说了 50 次血腥玛丽，那么你实际上手里拿着的是一个死去的婴儿。
And why a baby?
为什么是婴儿？
Boy 1 It's Bloody Mary's baby, they say.
男孩 1 他们说这是血腥玛丽的孩子。
She threw it up in the air, and she didn't catch it in time, and it fell.
她把它扔到空中，她没有及时接住，它就掉了下来。
It's called Blue Baby.
它的名字叫“蓝宝贝”。
It's called Blue--
它的名字叫蓝色——
Baby Blue.
宝贝蓝。
Not Blue Baby.
不是蓝宝贝。
Boy 1 It's time to do this Bloody Mary bloody thing.
男孩 1 是时候做这血腥玛丽该死的事情了。
Turn off the lights.
关掉灯。
(CHANTING) Bloody Mary.
（吟诵）血腥玛丽。
Bloody Mary.
血腥玛丽。
Bloody Mary.
血腥玛丽。
Bloody Mary.
血腥玛丽。
Bloody--
该死的——
They're 10.
他们10岁。
In a couple of years, there'll be cynics in the bunch, and they'll all be competing to prove they're too cool to believe in stuff like Bloody Mary.
几年后，这群人中将会出现愤世嫉俗者，他们都会竞相证明自己太酷了，不会相信像血腥玛丽这样的东西。
But for now, we all watch the mirror.
但现在，我们都看镜子。
Bloody Mary.
血腥玛丽。
Bloody Mary.
血腥玛丽。
Bloody Mary.
血腥玛丽。
Bloody Mary.
血腥玛丽。
Bloody Mary.
血腥玛丽。
Stop!
停止！
Crap, it didn't-- how many times did you do it?
糟糕，没有——你做了多少次了？
They're so ready to believe that when the face doesn't appear in the mirror, their first explanation is that maybe you need to chant 50 times, not 40.
他们很愿意相信，当镜子中没有出现那张脸时，他们的第一个解释是也许你需要念诵 50 遍，而不是 40 遍。
And then--
然后——
Guys, why did you do that?
伙计们，你们为什么这么做？
Boy 3 I felt a baby in my hands.
男孩 3 我感觉到我手里有一个婴儿。
I felt a baby in my hands.
我感觉到我手里有一个婴儿。
Boy 4 So do I.
男孩 4 我也是。
And you're supposed to go like this.
你应该这样走。
Yeah.
是的。
Boy 4 It worked in a different way than we expected it to, but you felt Baby Blue in your hands.
Boy 4 它的工作方式与我们预期的不同，但你在手中感受到了淡蓝色。
It took a while after that for them to settle into their beds.
过了一会儿，他们才在床上安顿下来。
When I left half an hour later, it did not seem like anybody was going to be falling asleep very quickly.
半小时后我离开时，似乎没有人会很快入睡。
Notes on Camp three, You.
关于第三营的笔记，你。
Well, a few weeks ago, we invited your stories about camp.
好吧，几周前，我们邀请了你关于营地的故事。
And you responded, so many of you, with so many great camp stories.
你们中的很多人都做出了回应，分享了很多精彩的营地故事。
Here is a selection.
这是一个选择。
When I was five, my parents got divorced, and my father remarried the day after.
我五岁时，我的父母离婚了，第二天我的父亲再婚了。
In fact, he eloped to South Dakota because, in Minnesota, you had to wait six months between your divorce and remarriage.
事实上，他私奔到南达科他州，因为在明尼苏达州，离婚和再婚之间必须等待六个月。
And then when I was eight, my mom died, and we were adopted by a nice, young couple, my sister and brother and I.
然后当我八岁的时候，我妈妈去世了，我们被一对年轻的好夫妇收养，我和我的姐姐、兄弟。
And I remember one year, we went to a long weekend type of religious camp.
我记得有一年，我们去参加一个长周末类型的宗教营。
It was sponsored through our church, but it had counselors there from a lot of different churches.
它是通过我们的教会赞助的，但它有来自许多不同教会的辅导员。
And there was this one guy there that looked just like my dad.
那里有一个人看起来就像我父亲。
And I must have been, I don't know, nine and a half, 10.
我当时一定是，我不知道，九岁半，十岁。
I was convinced that that was my father and that he had realized the error of his ways.
我确信那是我的父亲，他已经意识到自己的做法是错误的。
And I had imagined that there must be some prohibition on him contacting the kids after he put them up for adoption, and I just thought this was his way of checking on us.
我本来以为他把孩子们送人收养后，一定会禁止他与孩子们联系，我只是认为这是他检查我们的方式。
And I would say things, like leading statements like, do you remember when I was little and you fixed my dolly, Peaches?
我会说一些话，比如引导性陈述，比如，你还记得我小时候你修理了我的洋娃娃吗，桃子？
Well, of course, he just looked at me like I was nuts.
嗯，当然，他只是看着我，就像我疯了一样。
I mean, he must have thought, what an odd little girl.
我的意思是，他肯定想，这是一个多么奇怪的小女孩啊。
But I was sure.
但我很确定。
And I told my sister, Tracy, isn't that Dad?
我告诉我妹妹特蕾西，那不是爸爸吗？
And she said, no, of course not.
她说，不，当然不。
But I was sure.
但我很确定。
Somehow, it made me feel better, as strange as that seems.
不知何故，这让我感觉好多了，尽管这看起来很奇怪。
For that long weekend, that was my dad.
那个漫长的周末，是我爸爸。
My mother emigrated to the United States from Germany in the '50s, and her understanding of American culture and traditions wasn't always quite clear.
我的母亲在 50 年代从德国移民到美国，她对美国文化和传统的理解并不总是很清楚。
And one of her confusions was about summer camp.
她的困惑之一是夏令营。
She knew that kids should go to summer camp, but she didn't realize that it usually involved 24-hour adult supervision.
她知道孩子们应该去夏令营，但她没有意识到这通常需要成人24小时的监督。
So one week, she drove us up to a campground on the coast of Malibu and set us up in this tent and left us some groceries, and then she drove home to go back to work.
所以有一个星期，她开车送我们到马里布海岸的一个露营地，把我们安置在这个帐篷里，并给我们留下了一些杂货，然后她开车回家回去工作。
And so I was left in charge of my brothers, and I was 12 and my brothers were 10 and 7.
于是我就留下来照顾我的兄弟们，当时我 12 岁，我的兄弟分别是 10 岁和 7 岁。
And we were at summer camp.
我们当时正在夏令营。
We played in the ocean.
我们在海里玩耍。
We played in the little stream that ran by our campsite.
我们在营地旁的小溪里玩耍。
We picked things and tried to figure out whether they were edible.
我们挑选一些东西并试图弄清楚它们是否可以食用。
And the only problem that we had, really, was that we had to keep it a secret that our parents weren't there, and this involved lots of stealth and subterfuge.
事实上，我们唯一的问题是我们必须保守秘密，告诉他们我们的父母不在场，这涉及到很多秘密和诡计。
We would notice that campers were looking over in our direction at some point and kind of wondering where our parents were.
我们会注意到，露营者有时会朝我们的方向看去，有点想知道我们的父母在哪里。
So in the morning, when we got ready to go to the beach, I would unzip the tent and yell into the tent, bye, Mom, bye, Dad.
所以早上，当我们准备去海滩时，我会拉开帐篷的拉链，对着帐篷大喊，再见，妈妈，再见，爸爸。
We're going to the beach, see you later and hope that we'd be overheard doing this.
我们要去海滩，待会儿见，希望我们这样做会被人无意中听到。
And my brothers kind of picked up on this, so one of them, when he would see a man in a car driving out of the campground, if he was alone, he would yell after him, bye, Dad.
我的兄弟们也注意到了这一点，所以其中一个人，当他看到一个人开着车驶出露营地时，如果他独自一人，他会在他身后大喊，再见，爸爸。
Don't forget the Popsicles, as if the guy in the car were going to get us some groceries.
别忘了冰棒，好像车里的那个人要给我们买一些杂货。
We were pretty obsessed with groceries.
我们非常沉迷于杂货。
And a week later, my mom came back.
一周后，我妈妈回来了。
We had called her and told her how much we hated summer camp.
我们打电话给她，告诉她我们有多么讨厌夏令营。
And she thought that we were extremely spoiled because we didn't appreciate this great outdoor experience that was obviously a big part of American life.
她认为我们被宠坏了，因为我们不欣赏这种美妙的户外体验，而这显然是美国生活的重要组成部分。
The first year I went, I was 10 years old.
我去的第一年，我10岁。
And that was a kind of a fluke because my parents were very committed left-wingers, and they wouldn't let me join the Girl Scouts because my mother called them a bunch of little brown shirts.
这有点侥幸，因为我的父母是非常坚定的左翼分子，他们不让我加入女童子军，因为我母亲称她们为一群小棕色衬衫。
And they wouldn't let me go to a fashionable summer camp because they didn't believe in fashion.
他们也不让我去时尚夏令营，因为他们不相信时尚。
So my father asked a friend where his kids went, and his kids went to this very left-wing, Zionist camp.
所以我父亲问一个朋友他的孩子去了哪里，他的孩子去了这个非常左翼的犹太复国主义营地。
And so they got me in.
于是他们就让我进去了。
But we had, one day at lunchtime, a rock came through the window of the dining hall.
但有一天午餐时间，一块石头从餐厅的窗户飞了进来。
And it landed in my soup, and there was a note wrapped around the rock.
它落在我的汤里，岩石上缠着一张纸条。
And it said, we don't want no Jew camps in Wisconsin.
它说，我们不希望威斯康星州没有犹太人营地。
And so, of course, being a highly political group of people, they got together, and they had discussions, and they went on and on.
当然，作为一个高度政治化的群体，他们聚在一起，进行讨论，然后继续下去。
And they posted guards.
他们还派了警卫。
We had to paint our faces black so we wouldn't show up at night, and so on.
我们必须把脸涂成黑色，这样我们就不会在晚上出现，等等。
And so a bunch of us were sitting in the dining hall, and somebody said, look, out on the lawn.
我们一群人坐在餐厅里，有人说，看，外面的草坪上。
And there was this large cross burning out on the lawn of the campgrounds.
露营地的草坪上有一个正在燃烧的巨大十字架。
And these people came in, and they were all wearing white sheets, and they had these white things over their heads like pillowcases.
这些人进来了，他们都穿着白色的床单，头上罩着这些白色的东西，就像枕套一样。
And they made us all go outside, and there was another guy in a white sheet and a white pillowcase riding up and down on a horse.
他们让我们都出去，还有另一个穿着白色床单和白色枕套的人骑在马上。
And they started to yell at us that they wanted the lousy Jews out of Wisconsin and that they didn't want no Jew camps in Wisconsin.
他们开始对我们大喊大叫，说他们希望那些糟糕的犹太人离开威斯康星州，并且他们不希望威斯康星州没有犹太人营。
And they said, don't bother trying to call the authorities because in this neck of the woods, we are the authorities.
他们说，不用费心打电话给当局，因为在这片树林里，我们就是当局。
And everybody was just petrified.
每个人都吓呆了。
And we all stood around, shaking in our boots, and all of a sudden, one of the counselors said, I'm an American citizen.
我们都站在周围，靴子发抖，突然间，一位辅导员说，我是美国公民。
You can't treat me like this.
你不能这样对待我。
So two of the guys in sheets grabbed him by the arms and marched him away.
于是，两个穿着床单的家伙抓住了他的手臂，把他带走了。
And another counselor said, I'm an American citizen.
另一位辅导员说，我是美国公民。
You can't treat us like this.
你不能这样对待我们。
And pretty soon, all the counselors were being marched away, and we were all left there.
很快，所有辅导员都被带走了，我们都留在那里。
And I got really frightened.
我真的很害怕。
So I went, I'm an American citizen too.
所以我去了，我也是美国公民。
And somebody came over in a white sheet and took me down towards the beach.
有人穿着白床单走过来，带我朝海滩走去。
And as he was marching me down to the beach, he said to me, Adina, couldn't you have kept your big mouth shut?
当他带我去海滩时，他对我说，阿迪娜，你就不能闭上你的大嘴吗？
And it was all a political lesson that we were supposed to be learning.
这都是我们应该学习的政治课程。
Anyway, I was seven, and it was church camp.
不管怎样，我当时七岁，那是教堂营地。
And several men dressed in black holding machine guns entered the chapel at different areas.
几名身着黑衣的男子手持机关枪从不同区域进入教堂。
They immediately tied the hands of the four pastors on stage and held a gun on the main pastor.
他们立即将台上四名牧师的双手绑起来，并用枪指着主牧师。
I think as soon as the man said, if you're a Christian, stand up, the devoted stood, and the rest just ran off.
我想当那个人说，如果你是基督徒，站起来，虔诚的人就站起来，其余的人就跑开了。
And there were kids running all over the woods.
还有孩子们在树林里跑来跑去。
And as we walked to our cabin, we saw counselors with flashlights and bullhorns proclaiming it was only a play.
当我们走向小屋时，我们看到辅导员拿着手电筒和扩音器宣称这只是一场戏剧。
We heard kids yelling and cursing and crying, and it was pretty bad.
我们听到孩子们大喊大叫、咒骂和哭泣，情况非常糟糕。
Thanks to everybody who called.
感谢所有打电话来的人。
Thanks to everybody who wrote.
感谢所有写信的人。
Note number four, Ritual.
注意第四点，仪式。
Down by the lake, some of the Bryn Mawr girls explained it all to me.
在湖边，布林莫尔的一些女孩向我解释了这一切。
Every year it's the same-- same songs, same ceremonies.
每年都是一样的——同样的歌曲，同样的仪式。
There's Circle and Olympic Days.
有圆环日和奥林匹克日。
There's Color Days.
有色彩日。
There's Mohawk privileges and cabin nights.
这里有莫霍克特权和小屋之夜。
And there's the dance where the girls choose a boy who they'll marry for one day.
在舞蹈中，女孩们选择一个有一天要嫁给的男孩。
And there's the powwow.
还有仪式。
Last year, first session, they took powwow away from us because it was politically incorrect or something.
去年，第一届会议，他们从我们手中夺走了powowow，因为它在政治上不正确或者其他什么。
And we were all really upset because powwow was one of our biggest camp traditions, because we have a little song or whatever in the beginning.
我们都很沮丧，因为 powwow 是我们最大的营地传统之一，因为我们一开始有一首小歌或其他什么。
And it's--
这是——
[SINGING CHANT] Girl 1 And you do different hand motions and everything to it, and it's really fun.
[SINGING CHANT] Girl 1 你会做不同的手势以及其他的一切，这真的很有趣。
And then you challenge other teams.
然后你挑战其他团队。
It's fun.
很有趣。
But then--
但接下来——
Before you continue, can I just say that it's really interesting that you can't even tell the story without suddenly bursting into song.
在你继续之前，我可以说，这真的很有趣，你甚至无法在不突然唱歌的情况下讲述这个故事。
[CHUCKLING] Girl 1 Our camp sings a lot.
[咯咯笑] 女孩 1 我们营地经常唱歌。
Besides the singing, powwow includes a talent competition.
除了歌唱之外，powow 还包括才艺比赛。
One girl, her talent-- she crosses her eyes.
一位女孩，她的才华——她斜视着眼睛。
And Jolie can, like, snap her belly button.
朱莉可以像弹响她的肚脐一样。
I can sing all the vowels in "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star." And you just do weird talents, and you challenge other teams.
我会唱《一闪一闪亮晶晶》中的所有元音。你只是发挥奇怪的才能，然后挑战其他团队。
At the end, if your team is the best, you get a peace feather.
最后，如果你的团队是最好的，你就会得到一根和平羽毛。
The reason it got taken away last year was because a lot of the counselors felt that it was politically incorrect because the speeches that the Indians make are derogatory towards Native American culture, if you look at it that way.
去年它被取消的原因是很多辅导员认为它在政治上不正确，因为印第安人的演讲是对美洲原住民文化的贬损，如果你这样看的话。
I asked for examples.
我要求提供例子。
A few of the girls hold their palms up in the air and say, how.
几个女孩举起手掌说，怎么样。
They launch into these fake, pidgin English sentences where they drop lots of verbs and add "um" to the ends of the words.
他们开始使用这些假的洋泾浜英语句子，其中删除了大量动词，并在单词末尾添加“嗯”。
We go to Lake-um of the Woods-um Camp-um.
我们去伍兹湖营地。
Live-um in Vassar East-um.
住在瓦萨东嗯。
I teach-um camper naps how to walk-um on water-um.
我教营员午睡如何在水上行走。
Inside jokes [INAUDIBLE] put into with adding stuff that Indians or whatever.
内部笑话[听不清]加入了印第安人或其他什么东西。
They're just so funny that it's not even-- no one even really thinks about it like that.
他们只是太有趣了，甚至没有人真正这样想。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass In fact, fake Indianness has been a part of camping in America since organized camping began a century ago.
Ira Glass 事实上，自从一个世纪前有组织的露营开始以来，假印第安性就已经成为美国露营的一部分。
One of the cofounders of the Boy Scouts of America ran a camp in 1901 in which he organized boys into a make-believe tribe called the Sinaways.
美国童子军的一位联合创始人在 1901 年经营了一个营地，在那里他将男孩们组织成一个名为“西纳威”的虚构部落。
The Red Man is the apostle of outdoor life, he wrote back then.
他当时写道，红人是户外生活的倡导者。
His example and precept are what young America needs today, above any other ethical teaching-- Indianness and a real connection to nature, an appreciation for all that was being lost with industrialization and urbanization.
他的榜样和戒律是当今美国年轻人所需要的，最重要的是——印第安性和与自然的真正联系，对工业化和城市化所失去的一切的欣赏。
Just one generation after Custer's Last Stand, fake Indianness was an integral part of the early Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts organizations in this country.
就在卡斯特的最后一战之后一代人，假印第安性就成为了这个国家早期童子军和女童子军组织的一个组成部分。
By 1910, camps with names like Camp Minnewawa, Camp Miramichi, Camp Pokanoket were springing up everywhere for middle-class and upper-class children.
到了 1910 年，像 Camp Minnewawa、Camp Miramichi、Camp Pokanoket 这样的营地如雨后春笋般涌现，为中产阶级和上层阶级的孩子们服务。
It is still a big part of camping all across America.
它仍然是全美露营的重要组成部分。
And after a year without powwow, Camp Lake of the Woods brought the powwow back.
一年没有举行仪式后，森林湖营又恢复了仪式。
Most of this simply has to do with tradition.
其中大部分与传统有关。
The special songs and ceremonies are a part of so many American camps, and it's not just because they're fun.
特别的歌曲和仪式是许多美国营地的一部分，这不仅仅是因为它们很有趣。
A camp director in Wisconsin told us as we were putting together today's program that, financially, you cannot run a camp without lots of repeat customers.
当我们整理今天的节目时，威斯康星州的一位营地主管告诉我们，从经济上来说，如果没有大量回头客，你就无法经营营地。
These traditions bring kids back year after year.
这些传统让孩子们年复一年地回归。
You have the kids singing constantly about their loyalty to their cabinmates and their camp.
孩子们不断地歌唱他们对室友和营地的忠诚。
You let them know about all the extra rights and privileges and honors that they're going to get if they return as older campers.
你让他们知道，如果他们作为年长的营员回来，他们将获得所有额外的权利、特权和荣誉。
It is part of making the business run.
这是企业运营的一部分。
And in addition, it's part of what makes camp thrilling.
此外，这也是营地令人兴奋的部分原因。
It is using all of the stagecraft that all the world's religions have always used, the ceremonies, the chanting, the repeated words, the official honors and offices, but for an entirely secular purpose-- to thrill children, to make them feel part of something big and special.
它使用了世界上所有宗教一直使用的所有舞台技巧，仪式、诵经、重复的话语、官方荣誉和职位，但完全是为了一个世俗的目的——让孩子们兴奋，让他们感觉自己是伟大而特别的事情的一部分。
I think it's a really important part of camp.
我认为这是训练营非常重要的一部分。
I mean, I personally-- I like the traditions because you know what's going to happen, and you can trust things that--
我的意思是，我个人——我喜欢传统，因为你知道会发生什么，而且你可以相信——
I come back for the traditions.
我回来是为了传统。
I expect everything to be here the way it was last year because that's the reason I come back.
我希望一切都像去年一样，因为这就是我回来的原因。
If everything changed, I don't think I would like it anymore.
如果一切都改变了，我想我不会再喜欢它了。
Well, coming up, war.
好吧，战争即将来临。
What is it good for?
它有什么用呢？
Answers.
答案。
Also, the second mention of the Israeli Army in one radio show.
此外，在一个广播节目中第二次提到以色列军队。
That's in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
一分钟后，国际公共广播电台将继续我们的节目。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Notes on Camp-- summer camp.
今天的节目，夏令营笔记——夏令营。
A lot of the pleasure of being in camp is the pleasure of being part of this team, this group that you just feel loyal to, which also happens to be one of the pleasures of being in the military, since ancient times.
在营地的很多乐趣就是成为这个团队的一员，这个让你感到忠诚的团队，这也恰好是自古以来在军队的乐趣之一。
Well, Adam Davidson is half Israeli, grew up in America.
亚当·戴维森有一半以色列血统，在美国长大。
And when he was 15, he went to a camp run by the Israeli Army in Israel on their own training facilities.
当他 15 岁时，他去了以色列军队在以色列境内管理的一个营地，使用他们自己的训练设施。
The campers ran the same drills.
营员们进行了同样的训练。
They shot M16s.
他们射击了M16。
It was all designed to convince these American Jews to move to Israel and join the Israeli Army someday.
这一切都是为了说服这些美国犹太人移居以色列并有一天加入以色列军队。
It's so exciting because you really feel-- I mean, you know-- that at that age, when you're 15, and you're in Israeli Army summer camp, there is no one in the history of the world who is cooler than an elite army unit soldier.
这太令人兴奋了，因为你真的感觉到——我的意思是，你知道——在那个年纪，当你15岁，在以色列陆军夏令营时，世界历史上没有人比精锐陆军士兵更酷。
I loved the fact that we would go to the bathroom, and the toilets wouldn't have a seat because that's a place where terrorists could put a bomb.
我喜欢这样一个事实：我们会去洗手间，而厕所没有座位，因为那是恐怖分子可以放置炸弹的地方。
And it just felt so macho crouching on top of the seat and showering in this freezing cold water.
蹲在座位上，在冰冷的水中淋浴，感觉非常有男子气概。
Because what?
因为什么？
(IN ISRAELI ACCENT) A Sayeret Matkal would need hot water?
（以色列口音）Sayeret Matkal 需要热水吗？
Why?
为什么？
Now for me, for the first few weeks, what was tough about this was that I was really a nobody there, and I'd always be bringing up the rear.
现在对我来说，在最初的几周里，最困难的是我在那里真的是一个无名小卒，而且我总是在后面。
I'd always be kind of slow.
我总是有点慢。
And I wasn't showing myself to be macho even though there were so many opportunities in a given day to prove yourself macho.
尽管在某一天有很多机会证明自己有男子气概，但我并没有表现出自己有男子气概。
I mean, we were always, for no apparent reason, running like crazy from one tree to another tree, or up some mountain every few minutes, or something you could be the best at.
我的意思是，我们总是无缘无故地疯狂地从一棵树跑到另一棵树，或者每隔几分钟就爬上一座山，或者做一些你可能最擅长的事情。
And I was never the best.
而我从来都不是最好的。
But all of this changed.
但这一切都改变了。
My geek status was completely transformed.
我的极客身份彻底改变了。
One night, the different units would put on plays, and we were supposed to do take-offs of fairy tales.
有一天晚上，各个单位要上演话剧，我们就要做童话故事的起飞。
And this was some kind of a competition.
这是某种竞赛。
There was voting over who did the best job.
对谁做得最好进行了投票。
So my group, [INAUDIBLE], our fairy tale was Steve White and the Seven Dwarfs.
所以我的团队，[听不清]，我们的童话故事是史蒂夫·怀特和七个小矮人。
And I would be Steve White, this fabulous gay man who lives with these seven dwarfs, and the prince who comes to rescue me would be Rambo.
我会是史蒂夫·怀特，这个与七个小矮人住在一起的神话般的同性恋者，而来拯救我的王子将是兰博。
This was one of those moments where I just knew that I was in the zone.
这是我知道自己处于状态的时刻之一。
I was in my element.
我如鱼得水。
I mean, I was from Greenwich Village.
我是说，我来自格林威治村。
I had been an actor all through my childhood.
我整个童年时期都是一名演员。
My dad was an actor.
我的父亲是一名演员。
But more than that, there's a way that Americans can be very free that Israelis can't be, precisely because they have to be macho.
但更重要的是，美国人可以非常自由，而以色列人却不能，正是因为他们必须有男子气概。
And no matter what they're doing, even if they're mocking themselves, they have to maintain that studliness.
无论他们在做什么，即使他们在嘲笑自己，他们也必须保持这种学习。
And I had no obligations in that area.
我在这方面没有义务。
I dressed myself just-- I tried not to be too outrageous, but I had to be kind of outrageous for them to get it.
我穿得只是——我尽量不显得太离谱，但我必须表现得有点离谱才能让他们明白。
So a little bit of rouge, a little bit of eyeliner, my hair kind of slicked back with mousse, and sort of ridiculously short shorts.
所以一点胭脂，一点眼线，我的头发用摩丝擦得光滑，还有一条短得可笑的短裤。
And so I'm lying there, and I hear a knock on the door.
于是我躺在那里，我听到有人敲门。
And I just stand up, and I remember the entire crowd is howling, just howling.
我刚站起来，我就记得整个人群都在嚎叫，只是嚎叫。
And I just do the most awful, mincing gay voice, just who is it?
我只是发出最可怕、装腔作势的同性恋声音，到底是谁？
And my friend, who was a skinhead from Toronto whose parents happened to be Israeli, says, it's Rambo.
我的朋友是来自多伦多的光头党，他的父母恰好是以色列人，他说，这是兰博。
And I say, oh, Rambo, you sexy beast.
我说，哦，兰博，你这个性感的野兽。
And everyone is freaking out, just laughing like mad, like maniacs.
每个人都吓坏了，只是疯狂地笑，像疯子一样。
And of course, throughout it all, I'm making jokes about the camp members themselves, like saying, oh, I think Commander Oloney is just the thing.
当然，在整个过程中，我都在拿营地成员本身开玩笑，比如说，哦，我认为奥洛尼指挥官就是这样。
And everything I say, the entire crowd is just with me, is just laughing hysterically.
我所说的一切，整个人群都和我在一起，只是歇斯底里地大笑。
And what happens to Snow White-- to Steve White-- I eat the apple, I pass out, and I need to be resuscitated.
白雪公主——史蒂夫·怀特——发生了什么——我吃了苹果，我昏倒了，我需要复苏。
So Rambo comes to kiss me, and what we had worked out is he put his hand in front of his mouth, and I put my hand in front of my mouth, and we just touched hands.
所以兰博来吻我，我们的结果是他把手放在嘴前，我把手放在嘴前，我们只是碰触手。
And we'r kissing our mouths, but from a distance, it looks like we're making out.
我们正在亲吻我们的嘴，但从远处看，看起来我们正在亲热。
And I mean, at this point, the camp, they're standing up, they're howling.
我的意思是，在这一点上，营地里，他们站起来，他们在嚎叫。
I mean, I have transgressed every boundary that the Israeli man sets for himself, and they are loving the other side.
我的意思是，我已经超越了以色列人为自己设定的每一条界限，而他们却爱着对方。
And from that point on, I was no longer the unknown American bringing up the rear of the obstacle course.
从那时起，我不再是那个在障碍训练场后面默默无闻的美国人了。
I was like a movie star.
我就像一个电影明星。
I mean, everyone-- the Israeli guys, particularly the macho-est, toughest Israeli guys, constantly wanted to do this make out thing where we put our hands over our mouths and make out.
我的意思是，每个人——以色列人，尤其是那些最有男子气概、最坚强的以色列人，总是想做这种亲热的事情，我们把手放在嘴上亲热。
We'd be relaxing after some really long hike in the Negev Desert or something, and Nehtyu or Shaoul or whatever would come up to me and say, (IN ISRAELI ACCENT) it's very funny the way you do this make out thing.
在内盖夫沙漠或其他地方长途跋涉后，我们会放松一下，然后 Nehtyu 或 Shaoul 或其他什么人会过来对我说，（用以色列口音）你做这种亲热事情的方式非常有趣。
Show me do it.
示范给我做吧。
Let's do it.
我们开始做吧。
And the first few times I would do it.
最初几次我会这样做。
I mean, I guess part of me was flattered that, like, the macho future Sayeret Matkal guys were into me in any way.
我的意思是，我想我心里有些受宠若惊，因为未来那些有男子气概的马特卡尔总督们无论如何都喜欢我。
But after a while, it was just so weird.
但过了一段时间，就觉得奇怪了。
I'd just be like, look, Shaoul, I'm just not going to do that.
我只是想，听着，绍尔，我只是不会那样做。
I don't do that anymore.
我不再这样做了。
I'm just not going to do it.
我只是不会这么做。
And they'd be like, (IN ISRAELI ACCENT) why not?
他们会说，（用以色列口音）为什么不呢？
Do it.
做吧。
It's very funny, that's all.
这很有趣，仅此而已。
It's not for anything, but just the funny.
不为别的，只是为了搞笑而已。
Now, I've been to plenty of camps, and in every camp, you're somehow a part of a team.
现在，我去过很多训练营，在每个训练营中，你都以某种方式成为团队的一员。
I remember in Boy Scout camp when I was at horse riding camp, it was the people who rode horses in the morning versus the people who rode horses in the afternoon.
我记得在童子军营里，当我在骑马营时，是早上骑马的人和下午骑马的人。
And I just loved my guys, and I would look in the lunchroom at the other bunk and just-- I just didn't understand how you could even live in that bunk.
我只是爱我的伙计们，我会在午餐室的另一张铺位上看看，只是——我只是不明白你怎么能住在那个铺位上。
But Israeli Army summer camp is the purest distillation I've ever seen of this joy in being a part of the group.
但以色列陆军夏令营是我所见过的最纯粹的关于成为该团体一员的快乐的升华。
Every week, I would do things that I wouldn't have thought I could possibly do, and that was so incredible.
每个星期，我都会做一些我认为自己不可能做的事情，这太不可思议了。
And I knew that was because of the group.
我知道这是因为这个团体。
I knew that was giving me the force.
我知道这给了我力量。
And there was never a moment where I had to ask myself, can I do it?
我从来没有一刻需要问自己，我能做到吗？
It was just, we're doing this.
只是，我们正在这样做。
[INAUDIBLE] is going to do this.
[听不清] 将执行此操作。
Adam Davidson is now a member of our Planet Money team.
Adam Davidson 现在是我们 Planet Money 团队的成员。
Though he intended to join the Israeli Army when he was 15, it never worked out.
尽管他在 15 岁时就打算加入以色列军队，但从未成功。
Note on Camp number six, Color Days.
注意第六营，色彩日。
It is impossible to overstate what a big deal Color Days is at the camp in Michigan Julie Snyder and I visited.
在我和朱莉·斯奈德参观的密歇根州营地，色彩日的重要性怎么强调都不为过。
It is like any Color Wars at any camp, except that it's three days, and once you're assigned a team-- a Blue team or a White team for girls, Black or Red for boys-- you will stay on that team all your years at camp.
这就像任何营地的任何颜色战争一样，只不过是三天，一旦你被分配了一个团队——女孩的蓝队或白队，男孩的黑队或红队——你将在营地的所有岁月中留在该队。
There are legacies.
有遗产。
Your brothers and sisters will be on the same team as you are.
您的兄弟姐妹将与您在同一个团队中。
Being named a captain of the Color Days teams is considered such a big deal that many older campers can name all the captains of all their Color Day teams going back years.
被任命为“色彩日”团队的队长被认为是一件大事，许多年长的营员可以说出几年前所有“色彩日”团队的所有队长的名字。
Two girls and two boys are named as captain each year for each team.
每年每队有两名女孩和两名男孩被任命为队长。
Only campers from the oldest bunks can be captain.
只有来自最古老铺位的营员才能担任队长。
Bryn Mawr is for girls, Mohawks and Blackhawks for boys.
布林莫尔 (Bryn Mawr) 适合女孩，莫霍克 (Mohawk) 和黑鹰 (Blackhawk) 适合男孩。
Counselors who were once named as captains, if you talk to them about it, they get all choked up when they tell you about the moment they were chosen.
曾经被任命为队长的辅导员，如果你和他们谈论这件事，当他们告诉你他们被选中的那一刻时，他们都会哽咽。
Even Dayna Hardin, the 29-year-old owner of the camp, went into this long explanation of the ceremony with me at one point, her voice cracking, ending with--
就连营地 29 岁的主人戴娜·哈丁 (Dayna Hardin) 也曾跟我一起对仪式进行了冗长的解释，她的声音沙哑，最后是——
Oh, I'm almost in tears right now.
哦，我现在几乎要流泪了。
[LAUGHS] I really am, because, I mean, it was the biggest honor in my life.
[笑]我确实如此，因为，我的意思是，这是我一生中最大的荣誉。
Julie Snyder watched the girls Color Days this year.
朱莉·斯奈德观看了今年的女孩色彩日。
Just to give you a sense of the intensity of Color Days, a month before it all begins, an 11-year-old Blue team member tells me Color Days isn't all that competitive.
为了让您感受到 Color Days 的激烈程度，在一切开始前一个月，一位 11 岁的 Blue 团队成员告诉我 Color Days 的竞争并不那么激烈。
I mean, she'd talk to a girl on the White team and everything.
我的意思是，她会和白队的一个女孩交谈等等。
And all I could think was, if you have to say something like that, you know there's going to be trouble.
我所能想到的就是，如果你不得不说这样的话，你知道会有麻烦的。
The speculation about who will get the honor of being captain of the Color Days team, the biggest honor at camp, is so intense that, weeks before Color Days begins, Lindsay Sayowitz and some friends in Bryn Mawr East decide to consult Lindsay's Ouija board.
关于谁将获得“色彩日”团队队长这一荣誉的猜测非常激烈，这是营地中最大的荣誉，以至于在“色彩日”开始前几周，Lindsay Sayowitz 和布林莫尔东的一些朋友决定咨询 Lindsay 的显灵板。
Is anyone here?
有人在吗？
Girl 1 Hello?
女孩1 喂？
Who is this?
这是谁？
B-L-A-I-R.
B-L-A-I-R。
Blair.
布莱尔。
Our old friend.
我们的老朋友。
Girl 1 Blair?
女孩1布莱尔？
We talk to her a lot.
我们和她聊了很多。
OK.
好的。
Do you know who the Color Days captains are for girls?
你知道女孩色彩日的队长是谁吗？
Could you name one of them?
你能说出其中一位的名字吗？
OK.
好的。
She'll get it, I bet.
我打赌她会得到它。
Julie Snyder Everyone thinks Alissa's a shoe-in.
朱莉·斯奈德 每个人都认为艾丽莎是个合适人选。
And the Ouija board also picked Jamie Stream, another favorite, and Lindsay Sayowitz, who, coincidentally, had her hands on the Ouija pointer at the time.
显灵板还选择了另一个最受欢迎的杰米·斯里姆（Jamie Stream）和林赛·萨奥维茨（Lindsay Sayowitz），巧合的是，她当时的手放在显灵盘指针上。
Two weeks later, in the middle of the night, all the girls' counselors snake through the cabin area with lit kerosene torches and wake up the girls for the opening ceremonies of Color Days 1998.
两周后的半夜，所有女孩的辅导员都拿着点燃的煤油火炬蜿蜒穿过小屋区域，叫醒女孩们，参加 1998 年色彩日的开幕式。
Girls, it's time to wake up.
女孩们，是时候醒来了。
Everybody up out of bed.
大家都起床了。
Get a pair of pants on, shoes on.
穿上裤子，穿上鞋子。
Wake up, [INAUDIBLE].
醒来吧，[听不清]。
Little girls stumble out onto the sidewalks, rubbing their eyes, wearing mismatched shoes and looking confused.
小女孩们跌跌撞撞地走到人行道上，揉着眼睛，穿着不配套的鞋子，看上去很困惑。
Across the way, the Bryn Mawr girls have never even gone to sleep, anticipating this moment when they find out which one of them will be named Color Days captain.
对面，布林莫尔的女孩们甚至从未入睡，期待着这一刻，她们会知道哪一个将被任命为“色彩日”队长。
They stand with their faces pressed up to the screen door of their cabin, holding hands and silently crying.
他们站着，把脸贴在小屋的纱门上，手牵着手，无声地哭泣。
Counselors with torches lead 120 girls.
手持火炬的辅导员带领 120 名女孩。
They march down to the lakefront and surround an enormous bonfire 10 feet high.
他们行进到湖边，围着一个 10 英尺高的巨大篝火。
It looks like some cross between a debutante ball and a Klan rally.
它看起来像是初次登台舞会和三K党集会的混合体。
We are here tonight to usher in our three days of competition known as Color Days.
今晚我们在这里迎来为期三天的比赛，即“色彩日”。
I call forth the first spirit.
我召唤最初的灵魂。
Do you hear me, O spirit?
灵魂啊，你听到我了吗？
Come forth and tell us who you are and why you are here.
出来告诉我们你是谁以及你为什么在这里。
Like a summer stock Grecian play, one of the counselors dressed in a white toga comes out of the forest and stands behind the fire.
就像夏季希腊戏剧一样，一位穿着白色长袍的辅导员从森林里走出来，站在火后面。
I am the spirit of the white.
我是白色的精灵。
I represent the clouds of a summer's day, white caps in the water, and the dove of peace and purity.
我代表夏日的云彩、水中的白帽以及和平与纯洁的鸽子。
What is the message you bring, O white spirit?
白灵啊，你带来的信息是什么？
It is a difficult thought to convey, but rich in meaning in every way.
这是一个很难表达的想法，但在各个方面都蕴含着丰富的意义。
One can't find peace in a world of dream.
一个人无法在梦想的世界中找到平静。
Each person is a fraction, a part of the team.
每个人都是一小部分，都是团队的一部分。
We have no choice, everyone must belong.
我们别无选择，每个人都必须有归属感。
If no one is weak, can the team be strong?
如果没有人弱，团队还能强吗？
I call forth the next spirit.
我召唤下一个灵魂。
Do you hear me, O spirit?
灵魂啊，你听到我了吗？
The spirit for the Blue team, another counselor in a toga, appears before the fire and talks about blue and blueness.
蓝队的灵魂，另一位穿着长袍的辅导员，出现在火堆前，谈论蓝色和蓝色。
Candles are lit, and the girls vow to abide by the camp's seven virtues during Color Days.
蜡烛被点燃，女孩们发誓在色彩日期间遵守营地的七大美德。
Those virtues?
那些美德？
Friendship, determination, sportsmanship, tolerance, enthusiasm, patience, and unity.
友谊、决心、体育精神、宽容、热情、耐心、团结。
In order that you may have time to consider carefully the meaning of these next few days, we ask that you now take a vow of silence.
为了让您有时间仔细考虑接下来几天的意义，我们要求您现在发誓保持沉默。
Please repeat after me.
请跟着我重复一遍。
I will be silent.
我会保持沉默。
I will be silent.
我会保持沉默。
Julie Snyder Finally, the camp director, Dayna, picks up four whistles, two on a white string and two on blue.
朱莉·斯奈德 最后，营地主任戴娜拿起四支口哨，两支是白色的，两支是蓝色的。
This is the moment everyone's been waiting for and guessing about, the moment Dayna remembers so well from 16 years ago when she was at Bryn Mawr.
这是每个人都在等待和猜测的时刻，黛娜对 16 年前在布林莫尔的那一刻记忆犹新。
She walks behind all the girls to the last row, where the Bryn Mawr sit, and silently places the necklaces over the heads of the girls selected to be the captains of Color Days 1998.
她跟在所有女孩后面走到最后一排，也就是 Bryn Mawr 坐的地方，默默地将项链戴在被选为 1998 年 Color Days 队长的女孩们头上。
The chosen girls stand up, sob, and cling to each other.
被选中的女孩们站起来，抽泣着，互相依偎着。
The other girls stay seated, sob, and cling to each other.
其他女孩则坐在座位上哭泣，互相依偎着。
It turns out the Ouija board was only right about one of the captains, Lindsay Segenreich.
事实证明，通灵板对其中一位船长林赛·塞根瑞奇 (Lindsay Segenreich) 的判断是正确的。
Alissa and Jamie looked shocked and heartbroken.
艾丽莎和杰米看上去既震惊又心碎。
There's so much crying, some of the girls can barely walk straight as they stumble back to their cabins after the ceremony.
哭声如此之大，一些女孩在仪式结束后跌跌撞撞地回到自己的小屋，几乎无法直走。
Because of the vow of silence, there are lots of sniffles, gasps, and blowing noses.
由于发誓保持沉默，所以有很多抽鼻子、喘气和擤鼻涕的声音。
Color Days hasn't even started yet.
色彩日还没有开始。
OK, for those who don't know yet, I'm Jamie.
好吧，对于那些还不知道的人来说，我是杰米。
And we have an awesome team.
我们有一支很棒的团队。
I'm so excited.
我太激动了。
It's the next morning, and the White team has gathered for their first team meeting.
第二天早上，白队聚集在一起参加第一次团队会议。
The veteran campers are dressed entirely in white-- white shoes, shirts, socks, bandannas.
经验丰富的露营者都穿着白色的衣服——白色的鞋子、白色的衬衫、白色的袜子、白色的头巾。
Their faces are painted white.
他们的脸被涂成白色。
Their hair is painted white.
他们的头发被漆成白色。
Lindsay and Jamie, the White team captains, are in charge of organizing all the girls, raising their spirits and motivating the team.
白队队长 Lindsay 和 Jamie 负责组织所有女孩，提高她们的士气并激励团队。
But it's difficult to hold your first pep rally within the confines of a vow of silence.
但在发誓保持沉默的情况下举行第一次动员集会是很困难的。
Under the vow, only team captains are allowed to talk.
根据誓言，只有队长才可以说话。
OK, are you guys excited?
好吧，你们兴奋吗？
Just nod your head.
只需点头即可。
Just like that.
就这样。
Julie Snyder After the flag raising on the first morning, the vow of silence is lifted.
朱莉·斯奈德 (Julie Snyder) 第一天早上升旗后，默哀的誓言被解除。
And then you realize why it was instituted in the first place.
然后你就会明白为什么要建立它。
What follows are three days of solid wall-of-sound screaming.
接下来是三天的声墙尖叫。
The girls cheer at the individual and team competitions.
姑娘们在个人赛和团体赛中欢呼雀跃。
They cheer while standing around and waiting for their events to begin.
他们站在那里欢呼雀跃，等待活动开始。
They cheer on the way to the mess hall, they cheer outside the mess hall, and they cheer on the way back from the mess hall.
他们在去食堂的路上欢呼，他们在食堂外面欢呼，他们在从食堂回来的路上欢呼。
They have constant team meetings where they talk about the importance of cheering.
他们经常召开团队会议，讨论欢呼的重要性。
You guys, cheering tonight is the most important night to cheer.
各位，今晚的欢呼是最重要的欢呼之夜。
That's why--
这就是为什么——
Cheer so loud.
欢呼那么大声。
You guys, it is not normal if you don't lose your voices.
你们，不失声才不正常。
White team, listen!
白队，听着！
This is really important.
这真的很重要。
This is really important, you guys.
这真的很重要，你们。
Really important.
真的很重要。
Trying your best is the most important thing right now.
尽力而为是现在最重要的事情。
You run your butt over here as fast as you can because it is so important that you guys don't miss any of our meetings.
你们尽可能快地跑到这里来，因为这非常重要，你们不要错过我们的任何会议。
But some of the girls, the older girls, are having a hard time cheering.
但有些女孩，年龄较大的女孩，却很难欢呼。
It is really hard to get in on it, because I'm telling people to be louder because I know they're not being loud enough, but yet, I can't do it myself.
参与其中真的很难，因为我告诉人们要大声一点，因为我知道他们的声音不够大，但我自己却做不到。
Lexie is on the White team.
莱克西是白队成员。
She's a Bryn Mawr, was eligible to be a Color Days captain, and spent the last night crying.
她是布林莫尔人，有资格成为彩色日队长，昨晚哭了。
Because if being chosen for Color Days captain means you're a leader, an intelligent and caring person who looks out for other people, what does it mean if you're not chosen?
因为如果被选为 Color Days 队长意味着您是一名领导者、一个聪明、有爱心、关心他人的人，那么如果您没有被选中意味着什么？
I didn't expect it, but I really, really wanted captain.
我没想到，但我真的非常想要队长。
And I mean, it is a disappointment because it's something that you're eligible for.
我的意思是，这令人失望，因为这是你有资格获得的。
And if you don't get it, then you think about, or at least I think about, what I did to not do it and what I did wrong and how I'm not as decent as a person as other people.
如果你不明白，那么你就会想到，或者至少我会想到，我做了什么而没有这样做，我做错了什么，以及我如何不像其他人那样正派。
And it's just-- I mean, it's a letdown, but it's not everything.
这只是——我的意思是，这令人失望，但这还不是全部。
And that's what a lot of people lose grip of.
这就是很多人失去控制的原因。
That's what I always lose grip of, is that it's not everything, as much as it means.
这就是我总是无法理解的一点，那就是它并不是一切，尽管它意味着什么。
But it means a lot.
但这意义重大。
Over the next two days, it's basically what you'd expect an all-camp competition would be like.
在接下来的两天里，这基本上就是你所期望的全营比赛的样子。
The younger girls and older girls split off.
年轻的女孩和年长的女孩分开了。
They do track and field events, swimming and boating events, scavenger hunts, and an all-camp songfest.
他们举办田径比赛、游泳和划船比赛、寻宝游戏以及全营歌曲盛会。
Both teams seem pretty evenly matched, and for the most part, the girls win and lose with grace.
两支球队看起来势均力敌，而且大多数情况下，女孩们都以优雅的方式赢得和输掉比赛。
Most of the girls I talk with all say Color Days is their favorite part of camp.
与我交谈的大多数女孩都说“色彩日”是她们最喜欢的夏令营部分。
They like the cheering.
他们喜欢欢呼声。
They like the games.
他们喜欢游戏。
They like feeling a part of a team.
他们喜欢成为团队的一部分的感觉。
But one night, after an intense capture the flag game, where Blue team pulls it off by one point, one of the White team girls doesn't take the loss too well.
但有一天晚上，在一场激烈的夺旗比赛之后，蓝队以一分的优势获胜，白队的一名女孩并没有很好地接受失败。
White team, can I talk to you for a second?
白队，我可以和你谈谈吗？
You guys, the Blue team is playing very dirty, and none of us should play like that at all.
你们，蓝队打得很肮脏，我们根本不应该这样打。
They knew I was already over, and yet they still felt that they needed to trip me.
他们知道我已经完蛋了，但他们仍然觉得有必要绊倒我。
But just don't complain about it.
但不要抱怨它。
We're just going to kill them tonight.
今晚我们就要杀了他们。
No, I say we get them back right now by screaming so loud that they will have to plug their ears because that is how upset I am right now.
不，我说我们现在就让他们回来，大声尖叫，让他们不得不堵住耳朵，因为这就是我现在的不安。
The climax of Color Days is on the last night of camp, the obstacle course relay, where every member of each team takes part.
色彩日的高潮是营地的最后一晚，即障碍赛接力赛，每个团队的每个成员都参加。
Usually, whoever wins the relay wins the Color Days.
通常，谁赢得接力赛谁就赢得色彩日。
The Blue team gathers at their meeting spot on the go-kart track to organize all of the team members for the race.
蓝队聚集在卡丁车赛道上的集合地点，组织所有队员参加比赛。
Certain things are clear.
有些事情是清楚的。
Alissa Strom does the longest run.
艾丽莎·斯特罗姆 (Alissa Strom) 跑得最长。
Carly Siegel always does the math problem.
卡莉·西格尔总是做数学题。
Rebecca Stern rules the pie eating contest.
丽贝卡·斯特恩统治了吃馅饼比赛。
But there are some open spots, which require careful consideration.
但也有一些开放的地方，需要仔细考虑。
OK.
好的。
First person-- Girl 2 Shh, you guys.
第一人称——女孩2 嘘，你们。
Quiet, OK?
安静点，好吗？
Really important.
真的很重要。
Girl 1 First person is at the flagpole, and they have to eat one peanut butter and jelly sandwich as fast as they can and sing [INAUDIBLE] so fast.
女孩 1 第一个人站在旗杆上，他们必须尽快吃掉一个花生酱和果冻三明治，并如此快地唱[听不清]。
You guys, you are up against Lexie Gore.
你们，你们的对手是莱克西·戈尔。
She is the fastest eater I've ever seen.
她是我见过吃得最快的人。
Yeah.
是的。
She can shove it in her mouth it's crazy.
她可以把它塞进嘴里，这太疯狂了。
And so you have to be really, really--
所以你必须真的、真的——
Who's got a big mouth who can eat really fast?
谁的嘴巴大，吃得又快？
Jamie, you want to try that?
杰米，你想尝试一下吗？
Can you eat really fast?
你能吃得很快吗？
[INTERPOSING VOICES] Girl 2 You can sing while you have food in your mouth.
[插入声音] 女孩2 你可以一边吃东西一边唱歌。
You can be like-- [MIMICS TALKING WITH A FULL MOUTH]
你可以像——[模仿满嘴说话]
Jamie, don't eat at dinner.
杰米，晚餐别吃东西。
Jamie But it's pizza night.
杰米 但这是披萨之夜。
Yeah.
是的。
Doesn't matter.
没关系。
Girl 2 You guys.
女孩2 你们。
You guys.
你们。
After dinner, the captains and the two peanut butter and jelly sandwich eaters gather at the flagpole to begin the race that will last over an hour.
晚餐后，队长和两名吃花生酱和果冻三明治的人聚集在旗杆上，开始持续一个多小时的比赛。
On your mark, get set, go.
各就各位，准备好，出发。
Blue Team Come on, Lexie.
蓝队加油，莱克西。
You got it.
你明白了。
You got it.
你明白了。
Girl 1 Jamie, amazing.
女孩 1 杰米，太棒了。
Absolutely amazing.
绝对惊人。
Do you have any idea how much it takes to keep up with Lexie?
你知道要花多少钱才能跟上莱克西的脚步吗？
The relay race goes all over camp.
接力赛在整个营地进行。
One camper has to wait for the runner with the baton, then jump in the shower, wash her hair, get out, and passes the baton to the next runner, who goes to the waterfront, where a little girl will do 25 jumping jacks with a life jacket on, who then passes the baton to another girl, who goes all the way back to the other side of camp to a cabin, where a camper unmakes and makes a bed.
一名露营者必须等待拿着接力棒的跑步者，然后跳进淋浴间，洗头，下车，并将接力棒传递给下一个跑步者，后者前往海滨，在那里一个小女孩会穿着救生衣做 25 次开合跳，然后她将接力棒传给另一个女孩，后者一路回到营地的另一边，到达一间小屋，露营者在那里拆开衣服并铺好床。
All along the way, the girls are yelling for their teams, jumping up and down, and trying to control their nerves.
一路上，姑娘们都在为自己的队伍呐喊，上蹿下跳，努力控制着自己的紧张情绪。
Oh, I am so scared right now.
哦，我现在很害怕。
I am, like, here, but I'm not.
我好像在这里，但我不在。
I'm, like, somewhere else.
我好像在别的地方。
Go Blue.
去蓝色。
Yeah.
是的。
Julie Snyder As an outsider watching three days of all of this, I have to say what was shocking was how gung ho everyone was.
朱莉·斯奈德（Julie Snyder）作为一个旁观者，目睹了这三天的所有这一切，我不得不说，令人震惊的是每个人的热情。
Camp is this unusually safe bubble where kids can let themselves go, crying and screaming and singing.
营地是一个异常安全的泡泡，孩子们可以在这里放飞自我，哭泣、尖叫、唱歌。
They all buy into this.
他们都相信这一点。
None of them stands back.
他们都没有退缩。
Nobody thinks they're too cool for it.
没有人认为自己太酷了。
Back at school, the rules are completely different.
回到学校后，规则完全不同了。
Everywhere the rules are completely different.
各地的规则完全不同。
Down at the waterfront, the White and Blue teams stand side by side with dueling cheering, waiting for the final leg of the relay race.
在海滨，白队和蓝队并肩站立，在决斗的欢呼声中，等待着接力赛的最后一站。
When the last baton is passed, the two captains from each team have to build a fire under a rope that's suspended between two sticks about 3 feet off the ground.
当最后一个接力棒传递时，每队的两名队长必须在一根距离地面约 3 英尺的两根棍子之间悬挂的绳子下生火。
The first team whose rope catches fire and burns all the way through wins the race.
第一个绳子着火并完全燃烧的队赢得了比赛。
Some Bryn Mawr girls have been saving wood for the burn-the-rope since the second day of camp.
从营地的第二天开始，一些布林莫尔女孩就开始为烧绳子节省木材。
Tonight, the Blue team has about a full two minutes on the Whites as the runner hands off the baton.
今晚，当跑者接过接力棒时，蓝队与白队还有大约两分钟的时间。
The Blue team captains, Carley and Dana, drop to their knees and begin with the kindling.
蓝队队长卡利和达纳跪下，开始点火。
They get only one match a minute as they add twigs and sassafras to the fire.
当他们向火中添加树枝和檫木时，他们每分钟只能得到一根火柴。
Soon the White team starts on their fire.
很快，白队开始开火。
The captains' hands are shaking.
队长们的手都在颤抖。
Both teams are jumping up and down, cheering and hugging.
两支队伍上蹿下跳，欢呼雀跃，拥抱在一起。
The first pile of sticks to become like a real fire is the White team's, and the moment it catches, tears start streaming down Carley and Dana's cheeks on the Blue team.
第一批像真正的火一样燃烧的木棍是白队的，当它着火的那一刻，泪水开始从蓝队的卡利和达纳的脸颊上流下来。
Both look close to hyperventilating as they lie down on the dirt, their cheeks on the ground, blowing on their fire, crying and frantically moving sticks around.
两人躺在泥土上，脸颊贴在地上，一边吹着火，一边哭着，疯狂地移动木棍，看上去都快要换气了。
But the White team's fire rises, their rope starts burning, and once it snaps, the race is pretty much over.
但是白队的火越来越大，他们的绳子开始燃烧，一旦绳子折断，比赛就基本结束了。
Girls are jumping up and down, collapsing into each other's arms, sobbing and laughing.
女孩们上蹿下跳，倒在彼此怀里，又哭又笑。
The younger girls, it's almost as if their little bodies can't take all this emotion.
对于年轻的女孩来说，她们娇小的身体几乎无法承受所有这些情绪。
I watch one girl, about eight years old, who stands off to the side, begins to tremble, and her face gets redder and redder as tears pour down her cheeks.
我看到一个八岁左右的女孩站在一旁，开始颤抖，脸越来越红，泪水顺着脸颊流下来。
A teammate tries to comfort her.
一名队友试图安慰她。
It's OK, she says, we won.
没关系，她说，我们赢了。
It might seem strange, standing in the middle of a hundred crying girls, that most of them will tell you this is the best day of camp.
站在一百个哭泣的女孩中间，大多数人都会告诉你这是营地最好的一天，这可能看起来很奇怪。
But it's the best day of camp precisely because it's a hundred girls all crying together.
但这是营地中最好的一天，因为一百个女孩都在一起哭泣。
If the point of camp is to feel this camaraderie, to feel like you belong to something, that feeling is at its most concentrated during Color Days.
如果露营的目的是感受这种友情，感觉自己属于某个事物，那么这种感觉在色彩日期间最为集中。
This is also the last day of camp.
这也是夏令营的最后一天。
It's strange.
很奇怪。
It's this whole thing, there's so many things to deal with.
事情就是这样，有很多事情需要处理。
And then it's just all jumbled in at once, and it's confusing and-- I don't know.
然后一切都立刻变得混乱起来，令人困惑，而且——我不知道。
I talk to Jamie Stream and Lexie Cowurtz.
我与 Jamie Stream 和 Lexie Cowurtz 进行了交谈。
Jamie's been here for seven years and can't come back as a camper again.
杰米在这里已经七年了，不能再以露营者的身份回来了。
Lexie starts high school this year, and for her, this isn't just the last day of camp, her last day living in this safe little bubble.
莱克西今年开始上高中，对她来说，这不仅仅是营地的最后一天，也是她生活在这个安全的小泡泡里的最后一天。
In a way, it's her last day of childhood.
从某种意义上说，这是她童年的最后一天。
One camp summer has never meant so much to me now that we're getting older.
随着我们年龄的增长，一次夏令营对我来说从未如此重要。
And I'm so frightened of going into high school that I don't want to leave here anyway, but I'm so secure here.
我非常害怕进入高中，无论如何我都不想离开这里，但我在这里很安全。
It's such a haven for me that I can't imagine going home.
这对我来说是一个避风港，我无法想象回家的样子。
Also, I think it's hard, maybe not for you, but for me, since this is my last year, these are my last, like, three days of ever being a camper.
另外，我认为这很难，也许不是对你来说，而是对我来说，因为这是我的最后一年，这是我作为露营者的最后三天。
And it's so weird.
这太奇怪了。
It's like, this is my last Tuesday at camp.
就像，这是我在营地的最后一个星期二。
This is my last dinner with my cabin.
这是我在小屋的最后一顿晚餐。
This is my last time ever being in a cabin with my friends.
这是我最后一次和朋友们一起住在小屋里。
And that's what's so weird about it because you're just thinking about the last this, last that.
这就是它的奇怪之处，因为你只想着最后这个，最后那个。
I'm kind of scared to go home, in a way, because my friends at home are so different from my friends here, and it's going to be scary.
在某种程度上，我有点害怕回家，因为我家里的朋友和这里的朋友很不一样，这会很可怕。
They're so dull.
他们太无聊了
I don't mean that as in like-- I mean, I love my friends to death.
我的意思不是——我的意思是，我爱我的朋友们爱得要死。
But when you think of the things that we go through here, we're not really living at home.
但当你想到我们在这里经历的事情时，我们并不是真正住在家里。
We go to school, and we go out.
我们去上学，然后出去。
And It's not their fault, but the environment is so different that it's dull living at home.
而且这也不是他们的错，只是环境太不一样了，在家生活很沉闷。
I'm perfectly content here just sitting here getting mail.
我非常满足坐在这里接收邮件。
I don't really care as long as I just-- it's so strange.
我真的不在乎，只要我只是——这太奇怪了。
And I'm going to miss walking-- I was just talking to Lauren [INAUDIBLE] about this.
我会想念走路的时光——我刚刚和劳伦[听不清]谈论过这件事。
I'm going to miss walking down the path.
我会怀念走在路上的时光。
I'm going to miss the doors slamming.
我会怀念关门声的。
I'm going to miss the overflowing bathrooms.
我会想念那些人满为患的浴室的。
It's unreal that we have to leave.
我们必须离开是不真实的。
The stupid little things is what you really miss.
那些愚蠢的小事才是你真正怀念的。
Well, our program was produced today by Julie Snyder and myself, with Alix Spiegel and Nancy Updike.
嗯，我们今天的节目是由朱莉·斯奈德和我本人以及阿利克斯·斯皮格尔和南希·厄普代克制作的。
Senior editor Paul Toff, contributing editors Jack Hitt, Markie Rocklin, and consigliere Sarah Vowell.
高级编辑 Paul Toff、特约编辑 Jack Hitt、Markie Rocklin 和顾问 Sarah Vowell。
Harmonica music throughout our hour today by Howard Levy.
霍华德·利维（Howard Levy）今天演奏的口琴音乐贯穿我们整个时间。
Thanks to the staff and campers of Lake on the Woods and Greenwood camps in Michigan.
感谢密歇根州伍兹湖和格林伍德营地的工作人员和露营者。
Our program today was recorded there in the summer of 1998.
我们今天的节目是 1998 年夏天在那里录制的。
Thanks to historian Philip Deloria, whose book Playing Indian details the history of fake Native American culture in American summer camps.
感谢历史学家菲利普·德洛里亚（Philip Deloria），他的书《扮演印第安人》详细介绍了美国夏令营中虚假的美洲原住民文化的历史。
Special shout-out today to Emily Bernstein, whose stories about summer camp a few years ago in The New York Times were an inspiration as we put together today's program.
今天特别要感谢艾米莉·伯恩斯坦，她几年前在《纽约时报》上发表的关于夏令营的故事给我们整理了今天的节目带来了灵感。
Our website, thisamericanlife.org, where you can get our free weekly podcast or listen to any of our old shows online for absolutely free.
我们的网站 thisamericanlife.org，您可以在其中获得我们的免费每周播客或完全免费在线收听我们的任何旧节目。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
WBEZ management oversight for our program by our boss, Mr. Torey Malatia, who calls our contributor Adam Davidson at least once a day to demand--
我们的老板托里·马拉蒂亚 (Torey Malatia) 先生对我们的项目进行 WBEZ 管理监督，他每天至少给我们的撰稿人亚当·戴维森 (Adam Davidson) 打电话要求——
It's very funny the way you do this make out thing.
你做这件事的方式很有趣。
Show me do it.
示范给我做吧。
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
It's very funny, that's all.
这很有趣，仅此而已。
It's not for anything, but just the funny.
不为别的，只是为了搞笑而已。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。