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00:00 00:00 Transcript Share This American Life Life Partners How to Listen Episodes Recommended About Overview Staff Announcements Fellowships Jobs Music Make Radio On The Road FAQ Submissions Merch Contact Us Our Other Shows Merch Follow Us Life Partners Subscribe to our newsletter Full episode Toggle Audio and Transcript Sync Transcript | Episode #100 | April 24, 1998 100: Radio Note: This American Life is produced for the ear and designed to be heard.
00:00 00:00 文字记录 分享此 美国生活 生活伙伴 如何收听 剧集 推荐 关于 概述 员工公告 奖学金 工作 音乐 在路上制作电台 常见问题解答 提交 商品 联系我们 我们的其他节目 商品 关注我们 生活伙伴 订阅我们的时事通讯 整集 切换音频和文字记录同步 文字记录 | 内容第 100 集 | 1998 年 4 月 24 日 100：广播 注：《This American Life》是为耳朵而制作的，旨在让人们听到。
If you are able, we strongly encourage you to listen to the audio, which includes emotion and emphasis that's not on the page.
如果可以的话，我们强烈建议您收听音频，其中包括页面上没有的情感和重点。
Transcripts are generated using a combination of speech recognition software and human transcribers, and may contain errors.
文字记录是使用语音识别软件和人类转录员结合生成的，可能包含错误。
Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print.
请在印刷版引用前检查相应的音频。
Prologue Ira Glass From WBEZ Chicago and Public Radio International, it's This American Life .
序言 来自 WBEZ 芝加哥和国际公共广播电台的 Ira Glass，这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
And let me do something that I've never done before.
让我做一些我以前从未做过的事情。
Let me just reach out and retune your radio for you.
让我伸出手来为您重新调整收音机。
[RADIO TUNING] Radio Host You're on the air at WPLP.
[广播调谐] 广播主持人 您正在 WPLP 广播。
I'm going to write more than one letter.
我要写不止一封信。
I'm going to write the station.
我要写站。
I'm going to write the chamber of commerce.
我要给商会写信。
[RADIO TUNING] Woman --basketball team.
[收音机调谐] 女人——篮球队。
I always wanted to go to Miami High--
我一直想去迈阿密高中——
You ever flip through the dial, past the stations that you listen to all the time, just skim up the dial, slowly, from station to station, waiting for something?
您是否曾经翻阅过表盘，经过您一直收听的电台，只是在表盘上慢慢浏览，从一个电台到另一个电台，等待着什么？
You don't even know what.
你甚至不知道什么。
Something.
某物。
Anything.
任何事物。
Something like this, a radio signal whose source is impossible to figure out and the intimacy of one voice.
就像这样，一种无法查明来源的无线电信号和一个声音的亲密感。
What could be more personal, even in another language?
即使是用另一种语言，还有什么比这更个性化的呢？
[SPEAKING INUIT] Hello to you, Barney and Rosie.
[因纽特语] 大家好，巴尼和罗西。
Hello to you, Rose.
你好，罗斯。
I'm happy to you-- OK, I'm singing to you Ayatollah Khomeini [SPEAKING INUIT] [BEGINS SINGING]
我为你感到高兴——好吧，我正在为你唱歌 阿亚图拉霍梅尼 [说因纽特语] [开始唱歌]
This recording off the radio is one of those things that got recorded and then was passed from person to person to person.
这段无线电录音是被记录下来然后从一个人传到另一个人的事情之一。
Finally, it ended up on a compilation tape of radio moments put together by radio station WFMU in New Jersey.
最后，它被收录在新泽西州 WFMU 广播电台制作的广播时刻汇编磁带中。
And that's how we got it.
我们就是这样得到它的。
By anybody's best guess, it's a radio station in northern Canada.
据任何人猜测，这是加拿大北部的一个广播电台。
The speaker is Inuit.
说话的人是因纽特人。
And here's where it gets a little hazier.
这就是事情变得有点模糊的地方。
Because they're talking about a strike over and over on this tape, it's possible that this is a situation where the regular radio staff is on strike, and these are the replacement workers.
因为他们在这盘磁带上一遍又一遍地谈论罢工，所以这可能是常规电台工作人员罢工的情况，而这些是替代工人。
Or it's possible that these are the regular workers who are about to go on strike, fed up, at the end of their rope.
或者，这些人也可能是普通工人，他们已经厌倦了，即将罢工。
Or maybe that's not the story at all.
或者也许这根本不是故事。
That's actually one of the things that I like about this.
这实际上是我喜欢的事情之一。
Like a lot of good radio, part of what is so appealing about it is what it leaves you wondering and thinking about when it's over.
就像许多优秀的收音机一样，它如此吸引人的部分原因在于它让你在结束时感到好奇和思考。
[SPEAKING INUIT] Ira Glass Can you imagine tuning your radio and stumbling upon this?
[因纽特语] Ira Glass 你能想象在调收音机时偶然发现这个吗？
You know, just stumbling on this?
你知道吗，只是偶然发现了这个？
It's so ephemeral, this moment just happening and passing and about to actually evaporate into nothing forever.
它是如此短暂，这一刻刚刚发生、过去，即将永远消失。
And that's part of what makes radio different from other media, I think, that quality where it can seem so small and so fleeting.
我认为，这就是广播与其他媒体不同的部分原因，它看起来如此渺小，如此转瞬即逝。
Ian Brown used to host the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation show Sunday Morning , and he was very great to listen to.
伊恩·布朗（Ian Brown）曾经主持过加拿大广播公司的节目《周日早间》（Sunday Morning），他的节目非常好听。
He was smart and unpretentious and this great interviewer and writer.
他聪明又谦虚，是一位出色的采访者和作家。
And when the show was revamped and he was taken off the air as host, he read this little radio essay on his last day about the intimacy of radio-- the false intimacy of radio, that feeling that we get together every week, you and me.
当节目被改版并且他不再担任主持人时，他在最后一天读了这篇关于广播亲密感的广播小文章——广播的虚假亲密感，以及我们每周都会聚在一起的感觉，你和我。
I mean, literally, that's what it feels like.
我的意思是，从字面上看，这就是感觉。
It feels like you and me.
感觉就像你和我。
You and me, even though we don't know each other at all.
你和我，虽然我们素不相识。
Anyway, months passed after he ended that job, and we wanted to get him on our show-- on This American Life And I called him up, and he was not brusk but businesslike, very proper, formal.
无论如何，在他结束那份工作几个月后，我们想让他参加我们的节目——《美国生活》，我给他打电话，他并不粗鲁，而是有条理，非常得体、正式。
And it sounds ridiculous to say-- I feel sort of silly saying it-- but it was hard not to feel a little strange about it.
这听起来很荒谬——我觉得这么说有点傻——但很难不感到有点奇怪。
It was hard not to feel a little bit like here is this friend who went suddenly cold.
很难不让人觉得这位朋友突然变冷了。
And I would not feel that way about Ted Koppel or Peter Jennings or anybody else who I've ever seen on television.
我不会对特德·科佩尔、彼得·詹宁斯或任何我在电视上见过的人有这样的感觉。
I can tell you that.
我可以告诉你。
There is just something about radio.
只是有一些关于广播的东西。
There's just something about radio.
只是有一些关于广播的事情。
It's more personal.
这更个性化。
Well, this is our hundredth episode of This American Life .
嗯，这是我们的《美国生活》的第一百集。
Each week on our program, we choose a theme, and for our hundredth show, we bring you an hour of stories about the medium in which we work .
在我们的节目中，我们每周都会选择一个主题，而在我们的第一百场节目中，我们会为您带来一小时有关我们工作媒介的故事。
A program on radio-- what makes it great when it's great, what makes it terrible when it's terrible, which it often is.
广播节目——当它很棒时，是什么让它变得很棒，当它很糟糕时，是什么让它变得糟糕，而情况往往如此。
Act One of our program today, Brigadoon.
我们今天的节目第一幕，Brigadoon。
Searching for an illegal radio station in Miami that keeps appearing and disappearing and appearing again in the mist.
在迈阿密寻找一个在迷雾中不断出现、消失、再次出现的非法广播电台。
Act Two, The Invisible Leading the Blind.
第二幕，看不见的人引导盲人。
Jack Hitt stumbles on a radio station that seems to completely ignore the last six decades of broadcasting style and convention.
杰克·希特偶然发现一家广播电台，该电台似乎完全忽视了过去六十年的广播风格和惯例。
Act Three, Radio Most People Listen To, an act in which we spend some time with the radio programmers who think that it's better to play the same exact songs over and over all day long, the consultants who make every radio station sound the same.
第三幕，大多数人收听的广播，在这一幕中，我们花了一些时间与广播节目编排员交谈，他们认为最好整天反复播放相同的歌曲，而顾问则让每个广播电台听起来都一样。
In short, the thinking that makes most radio in America today so boring, and we defend those guys.
简而言之，这种想法让当今美国大多数广播电台变得如此无聊，我们为这些人辩护。
Act Four, Noble Calling.
第四幕，崇高的召唤。
A winner of the Nobel Peace Prize who says that when peace comes to his country of East Timor, he has just one wish.
一位诺贝尔和平奖获得者表示，当和平降临到他的国家东帝汶时，他只有一个愿望。
He wants to do a radio show like Howard Stern's.
他想做一个像霍华德·斯特恩那样的广播节目。
Stay with us.
留在我们身边。
[RADIO TUNING] Man 1 Are you married or are you living in sin?
[收音机调谐] 男人 1 你结婚了吗还是生活在罪中？
A little of each.
各一点。
Rapper You blast me, boy.
说唱歌手 你让我震惊，孩子。
You blast me.
你炸我。
Act One, Brigadoon.
第一幕，旅。
We're devoting this first half of our program to the ephemeral thrill of stumbling onto some radio station, some radio moment, that you don't know where it came from, and you don't know what it is, but you just cannot stop listening.
我们节目的前半部分致力于讲述偶然发现某个广播电台、某个广播时刻时的短暂兴奋，你不知道它来自哪里，也不知道它是什么，但你就是无法停止收听。
We have this first story from Iggy Scam in Miami.
我们有来自迈阿密的 Iggy Scam 的第一个故事。
My friend [?
我的朋友 [？
Sinclair ?] was the one who first found the Northside black power pirate radio station way down the left of the FM dial.
辛克莱？]是第一个在调频拨号盘左侧找到北边黑人权力海盗广播电台的人。
You could only tune it in up on the Northside, so we'd listen to it while we drove down 79th Street whenever I went to his house.
你只能在北区调高音量，所以每次我去他家的时候，我们都会一边开车沿着 79 街听。
You could tell it was pirate radio because of the number of times the DJs would say [BLEEP] in every sentence.
你可以看出这是盗版电台，因为 DJ 在每句话中都会说 [BLEEP] 的次数。
They'd play all this poorly-recorded local rap, like this one song, "Too Many Suckers and Not Enough Stretchers" where the guy raps, "Living in the M, the I, the A-M-I.
他们会演奏所有这些录制得很糟糕的本地说唱，比如这首歌，“Too Many Suckers and Not Enough Stretchers”，其中那个家伙说唱，“生活在 M、I、A-M-I 中。
Sometimes, I've got to ask myself why." And then they'd play Tupac and then, every couple of beats, the DJs would just cut in over it and just scream, howl, or go "Uh!" And then the music would cut out completely.
有时，我必须问自己为什么。”然后他们会播放 Tupac，然后每隔几个节拍，DJ 就会插进去，尖叫、嚎叫，或者发出“呃！”的声音。然后音乐就会完全消失。
Most of the time, there'd be four or five DJs all in the room with the mic, all just talking and yelling and telling jokes over the music.
大多数时候，房间里都会有四五个 DJ，拿着麦克风，一边听着音乐一边说话、大喊大叫、讲笑话。
It was totally loud and chaotic and fun.
真是吵闹、混乱、有趣。
They even took phone calls somehow.
他们甚至以某种方式接电话。
They'd play a beat over the radio, and then people would call up to rap over it over the phone.
他们会通过收音机播放节奏，然后人们会通过电话打电话来说唱。
Talk about DIY.
谈论DIY。
Actually, they were never really that overtly political at all, really.
事实上，他们从来没有那么公开地政治化，真的。
We only called it the "black power station" because of one time when they were taking calls, and this dude called up and said, check it out, man.
我们只是称其为“黑色发电站”，因为有一次他们接电话时，这个家伙打电话说，检查一下，伙计。
Southern Bell van's been parked in front of my house for three days.
南贝尔货车已经在我家门前停了三天了。
There ain't nothing wrong with the goddamn phone.
这该死的手机没有任何问题。
It's the white man spying on us and trying to keep us down.
是白人在监视我们并试图压制我们。
Like I said, it was a great station.
就像我说的，这是一个很棒的车站。
Besides being really great radio, the station was exciting.
除了是非常棒的电台之外，这个电台也很令人兴奋。
Who were these guys?
这些人是谁？
Where did they broadcast from?
他们从哪里广播的？
And how did everyone in the city know their number to call in when they never gave it out over the air?
当城里的每个人都从不通过广播发出电话号码时，他们怎么知道要拨打的电话号码呢？
When the DJs talked, I'd listen to see if there was even some discernible code that they used.
当 DJ 说话时，我会听听他们是否使用了一些可辨别的代码。
I couldn't catch one.
我没能抓住一只。
I never found out anything about it, really, and eventually, I just moved away from Miami.
我从来没有发现任何关于它的事情，真的，最终，我离开了迈阿密。
But after all my plans fell apart one by one last year, I found myself back in Miami trying to sort it all out.
但去年我所有的计划都一一落空后，我发现自己回到了迈阿密，试图把这一切都解决掉。
I ended up living back up on the Northside, off 79th Street.
我最终又回到了北区，靠近 79 街。
Good old 79th Street, home to the "Welcome To Miami" water tower and the INS building.
古老的 79 街，是“欢迎来到迈阿密”水塔和 INS 大楼的所在地。
Six lanes of road from beach to swamp, full of rusty, old, American cars blasting bass.
从海滩到沼泽的六车道道路，满是生锈的旧美国汽车，低音炮轰鸣。
The home of the urban trailer park and the indoor flea market, the $0.99 quart of malt liquor.
城市拖车公园和室内跳蚤市场的所在地，出售 0.99 美元一夸脱的麦芽酒。
I always thought 79th Street, and not the beaches or hotels, is probably the true heart of Miami.
我一直认为 79 街，而不是海滩或酒店，可能是迈阿密真正的心脏。
You could look at everything and think, this was all once somebody's idea of a good idea.
你可以审视一切并思考，这曾经是某人的好主意。
Right away, I started trying to tune in to the station, but I couldn't seem to find it.
我立即开始尝试收听电台，但似乎找不到。
I didn't know if my radio had bad reception or if they'd just gone off the air.
我不知道我的收音机是否接收不良，或者它们是否刚刚停止播放。
I wasn't even sure of the exact frequency, really.
我什至不确定确切的频率，真的。
I became sort of obsessed with finding out what happened to those guys, but there was no way to find out.
我有点着迷于找出那些家伙发生了什么事，但没有办法找出答案。
Meanwhile, I kept busy taking long bike rides to explore the Northside, an almost touching daily tour of the very architecture of defeat.
与此同时，我一直忙着骑长途自行车去探索北区，这是对失败建筑的几乎感人的日常之旅。
Often, I rode by sad, old Bobby Maduro Stadium, which is named for a Cuban baseball star who had never made the majors.
我经常骑行经过悲伤、古老的鲍比·马杜罗体育场，该体育场以一位从未进入过大联盟的古巴棒球明星的名字命名。
Originally, it had been built in the '50s by a Cuban financier who was trying to lure Major League Baseball into Miami.
最初，它是由一位古巴金融家于 50 年代建造的，当时他试图将美国职业棒球大联盟吸引到迈阿密。
And even then, he built it way too small for the major leagues.
即便如此，他建造的球场对于大联盟来说还是太小了。
The financier lost all his money eventually, backing Castro, and then later backing anti-Castro revolutionaries.
这位金融家最终失去了所有的钱，支持卡斯特罗，后来又支持反卡斯特罗的革命者。
By the 1980s, the stadium was only used as a shelter and processing center for Nicaraguan refugees.
到了 20 世纪 80 年代，该体育场仅用作尼加拉瓜难民的庇护所和处理中心。
And now, it was a host to a weekend flea market in its parking lot.
现在，它的停车场举办了周末跳蚤市场。
Eventually, I pretty much fell in love with the Northside for its own sake, and I gave up the search for the station.
最终，我几乎因为北区本身而爱上了北区，并放弃了对车站的寻找。
But then one time, on my daily ride past the unused warehouses and huge fenced-off lots full of weed and rubble and the boarded-up housing projects, I found what could've been an important clue about the station.
但有一次，当我每天骑车经过未使用的仓库、长满杂草和瓦砾的巨大围栏场地以及用木板封起来的住房项目时，我发现了一条可能是有关车站的重要线索。
Down at the end of a dead-end street where almost certainly no one would see it, someone had spray painted "Tape Radio, 61.5 WEED."
在一条死胡同的尽头，几乎肯定没有人会看到它，有人喷上了“磁带收音机，61.5 WEED”。
Now, 61.5 would seem to be a radio frequency.
现在，61.5 似乎是一个无线电频率。
WEED would seem to be a station's call letters.
WEED 似乎是一个电台的呼号。
Was this some kind of ad?
这是某种广告吗？
How could it be a station, though, if the FM band doesn't even go down that low?
如果 FM 频段甚至没有降到那么低，它怎么可能是一个电台呢？
Even if there could be a station at 61.5, no one would have a radio that could tune it in.
即使有 61.5 的电台，也没有人会拥有可以收听该电台的收音机。
61.5 would almost certainly be dead air-- static.
61.5 几乎肯定是静止的空气——静态。
I decided to even try it as a phone number--615-WEED.
我什至决定尝试将其作为电话号码--615-WEED。
Not in service.
不在服役中。
I figured that since there's never really any people walking around down there on that dead-end street, if 61.5 was somehow a station, they were probably broadcasting from a warehouse on that very street and that the broadcasters themselves must have painted it.
我想，既然在那条死胡同里从来没有人走来走去，如果 61.5 是一个电台，他们可能就是从那条街上的一个仓库进行广播的，而且广播公司自己一定把它画了。
Later that same day, I found the exact same spray painted message in the same exact writing in black paint 30 blocks north in Little Haiti.
当天晚些时候，我在小海地以北 30 个街区处发现了完全相同的喷漆信息，用同样的黑漆书写。
I never did find out what it meant.
我一直没明白这意味着什么。
But that night, it was hot as hell outside-- the beginning of the Miami summer-- and I was just laying around feeling sweaty and miserable when I checked the radio for first time in weeks.
但那天晚上，外面酷热难耐——迈阿密夏季的开始——当我几周来第一次查看收音机时，我正躺在那里，感到满头大汗，痛苦不堪。
And I couldn't believe it.
我简直不敢相信。
The station was back on the air.
电台重新播出。
DJ Funky One was on, playing music and taking calls.
DJ Funky One 已经开机，一边播放音乐一边接听电话。
He'd play a little instrumental beat part, and then suddenly cut in completely over the music, put the caller on the air and yell, what's up?
他会演奏一点器乐节拍部分，然后突然完全插入音乐，让来电者转入广播并大喊，怎么了？
Caller would say, I want to say it two times for Little Haiti.
打电话的人会说，我想为小海地说两遍。
DJ Funky One would say, all right, baby.
DJ Funky One 会说，好吧，宝贝。
Little Haiti's in the house.
小海地在屋里。
What's up?
这是怎么回事？
Next caller wanted to say one time for the Larchmont clique.
下一位来电者想为拉奇蒙特集团说一次话。
All right, what's up?
好吧，有什么事吗？
One time for Arena Towers, one time for the 6-8, one time for Edison, two times for the 7-4 boys, and a shout out to Shadow Man.
一次为竞技场塔，一次为 6-8，一次为爱迪生，两次为 7-4 男孩，还有一次为影子人大声喊叫。
It went on all night, music and calls.
整个晚上，音乐和电话一直持续着。
Outside my window, the station's signal was flying strong over the dark, rosy streets and avenues, past the open windows and open apartment doors and front porches, and the whole sad city out there sweating in the night.
在我的窗外，电台的信号强劲地飞过黑暗、玫瑰色的街道和林荫道，飞过敞开的窗户、敞开的公寓门和前廊，飞过整个悲伤的城市在夜色中流汗。
I drank some tall cans from the 79th and Biscayne gas station beer special and listened, and it felt like every radio in the Northside must be tuned in.
我喝了一些 79 街和比斯坎加油站特制啤酒并聆听，感觉北区的每台收音机都必须收听。
Finally, after a while, I heard the phone number actually given out on the air.
终于，过了一会儿，我听到电话号码真的在广播中发出了。
So one afternoon, when only music was on and they weren't taking calls, I called up anyway.
所以有一天下午，当只播放音乐且他们不接电话时，我还是打电话给了他们。
I couldn't believe it when DJ Funky One himself actually answered the phone.
当 DJ Funky One 亲自接电话时，我简直不敢相信。
I said, "Uh, what are you guys called?"
我说：“呃，你们叫什么？”
He said, "We're the Space Station."
他说：“我们是空间站。”
"Well, where do you guys broadcast from?"
“那么，你们从哪里直播呢？”
"Carol City." I said, "Do you, like, have a license or anything?"
“卡罗城。”我说：“你有驾照之类的吗？”
And DJ Funky One started laughing really hard, and he said, "Yeah, yeah.
DJ Funky One 开始大笑，他说：“是啊，是啊。
We got all that [BLEEP], man." And then he hung up on me.
我们得到了所有这些[BLEEP]，伙计。”然后他就挂断了我的电话。
Carol City was at the very north end of the county.
卡罗尔市位于该县的最北端。
It had originally been a white, suburban subdivision, but eventually, it was where city planners tried to get the rising black population of the '60s to move to when the city needed new slum land as far away from downtown as possible.
它最初是一个白人郊区小区，但最终，当城市需要尽可能远离市中心的新贫民窟土地时，城市规划者试图让 60 年代不断增加的黑人人口搬到这里。
These days, it's a seedy, menacing residential sprawl of little homes and gang graffiti known widely as a place where kids from white, suburban subdivisions go to buy drugs.
如今，这里成了一片肮脏、险恶的住宅区，到处都是小房子和帮派涂鸦，被广泛认为是来自郊区的白人孩子去购买毒品的地方。
I rode up there, but I found no more graffiti clues to the station's whereabouts.
我骑着车去了那里，但我没有发现更多有关车站所在位置的涂鸦线索。
Later, with a car radio, I found that you couldn't even get the station that well north of 125th Street, which is about 60 blocks south of Carol City.
后来，我用汽车收音机发现，在 125 街以北那么远的地方（卡罗尔市以南约 60 个街区）根本无法收听到该电台。
So I think that DJ Funky One was probably lying about Carol City.
所以我认为 DJ Funky One 可能在卡罗尔城的问题上撒了谎。
So I started keeping my eyes open for any new clues on my ride home from the more wealthy southern parts of town, where I was working.
因此，我开始密切关注从我工作的城镇更富裕的南部地区回家的路上是否有任何新线索。
It was a long ride home but always interesting.
回家的路很长，但总是很有趣。
When you left downtown for the Northside, it was like crossing over into the flip side of the postcard.
当您离开市中心前往北区时，就像穿越到了明信片的另一面。
You rode out of the pink and blue neon glare of air-conditioned malls and chain stores and gated condos and hotels and skyscrapers into a dark, narrow maze of funky old wood houses, hand-painted signs, and corner stores.
你穿过粉色和蓝色的霓虹灯，穿过空调商场、连锁店、门禁公寓、酒店和摩天大楼，进入一个黑暗、狭窄的迷宫，里面有时髦的老木屋、手绘标志和街角商店。
The suburbs have the police protection, but the Northside has voodoo.
郊区有警察保护，但北区有巫毒。
Well finally, one day I got a huge clue when the station was apparently having an on-air live promo party.
终于，有一天，当电视台显然正在举办一场现场直播促销派对时，我得到了一条巨大的线索。
DJ Funky One said, come on down.
DJ Funky One 说，下来吧。
We've got all this great food down here at Mama's Kitchen.
我们在妈妈的厨房里有这么多美味的食物。
We've got the fried chicken plate for five bucks and Mama's conch dinner for seven bucks.
我们的炸鸡盘五块钱，妈妈的海螺晚餐七块钱。
Could it be?
可能是吗？
DJ Funky One and a pirate radio transmitter live in a restaurant?
DJ Funky One 和盗版无线电发射机住在餐厅里？
The address they gave out was only a couple blocks away in the heart of Little Haiti.
他们给出的地址距离小海地中心只有几个街区。
But when I got there, there was no restaurant at all, just two black dudes on a couch in front of this tiny house cut up into four efficiencies.
但当我到达那里时，根本没有餐厅，只有两个黑人坐在这个小房子前面的沙发上，分成了四个效率。
There was no music anywhere.
到处都没有音乐。
There was no sign of a transmitter.
没有任何发射机的迹象。
I said, "Uh, are you guys with the radio station?" They looked at me like I was crazy and nodded.
我说：“呃，你们是广播电台的吗？”他们看着我，就像我疯了一样，点点头。
"This is Mama's Kitchen?" I could smell chicken.
“这是妈妈的厨房？”我闻到了鸡肉的味道。
They said it was.
他们说是的。
I said, "But where's DJ Funky One?
我说：“但是 DJ Funky One 在哪里？
Where's the station?"
车站在哪里？”
They broke up laughing, and then one guy said, "Everyone wants to know that."
他们大笑起来，然后一个人说：“每个人都想知道这一点。”
So Mama's Kitchen was really just some guy's mom's kitchen.
所以妈妈的厨房实际上只是某个人妈妈的厨房。
I ended up passing on the conch dinner, and I just bought a frozen cup of Cherry Kool-Aid for a quarter.
我最终放弃了海螺晚餐，只花了 25 美分买了一杯冷冻樱桃酷爱饮料。
I took it to my favorite spot by the tracks and sat there with it, laughing in the summer heat.
我把它带到铁轨旁我最喜欢的地方，和它坐在一起，在夏日的炎热中开怀大笑。
Now that I'd met two people from the station-- or had I?-- the whole thing was even more mysterious.
现在我遇到了车站里的两个人——或者我遇到过吗？——整件事变得更加神秘。
Well, I guess I don't mind not knowing, and now I'll probably never find out more about the station because now it was time to move away from the Northside.
好吧，我想我不介意不知道，现在我可能永远不会了解更多关于车站的信息，因为现在是时候离开北区了。
But I had one last Saturday night with the station, one last night of the station sending out the Miami-style bass to be packaged and delivered to the suburbs via 79th Street in a great, rusted 1971 Oldsmobile.
但我在上周六晚上与电台进行了一次交流，最后一晚，电台将迈阿密风格的贝斯包装好，然后开着一辆生锈的 1971 年产奥兹莫比尔经 79 街运送到郊区。
One last ride through the ruins and failing streets and bad ideas that talk to you late at night, like radio.
最后一次穿越废墟和衰败的街道，以及在深夜与你交谈的糟糕想法，比如广播。
Iggy Scam's story first appeared in his handwritten, self-published zine Scam.
伊基·斯卡姆 (Iggy Scam) 的故事首次出现在他手写、自行出版的杂志《Scam》中。
Some music during this story was by the Mission Burrito Project in San Francisco, which delivers free, organic, vegan burritos to the homeless one night a week.
这个故事中的一些音乐来自旧金山的 Mission Burrito Project，该项目每周一个晚上向无家可归者提供免费的有机纯素卷饼。
[RADIO TUNING] Woman Music from Wayne Shorter, Greg Osby, and--
[收音机调谐] 韦恩·肖特 (Wayne Shorter)、格雷格·奥斯比 (Greg Osby) 和--的女性音乐
[RADIO TUNING] Gordon Well, assistant city manager Virginia Dolloff resigned on Friday after two weeks of negotiations over severance issues.
[无线电调谐] 城市助理经理弗吉尼亚·多洛夫 (Virginia Dolloff) 戈登·威尔 (Gordon Well) 在就遣散费问题进行了两周的谈判后于周五辞职。
City manager Brian Martin disclosed that.
城市经理布莱恩·马丁透露了这一点。
Martin had asked --
马丁问——
Act Two, The Invisible Leading the Blind.
第二幕，看不见的人引导盲人。
So much radio listening happens in the car.
车里经常收听广播。
This radio signal is one that our contributing editor Jack Hitt chanced upon on a long drive.
这个无线电信号是我们的特约编辑杰克·希特在一次长途驾驶中偶然发现的。
It was my decision.
这是我的决定。
I don't want to get into it.
我不想涉足其中。
You hire and fire until you get one that works.
你雇佣并解雇，直到找到一个能工作的人。
Last month, I was cruising the backwoods of Massachusetts on assignment in a rental car.
上个月，我乘坐一辆租来的汽车在马萨诸塞州的偏远地区巡游。
For the longest time, radio wasn't much help in relieving the boredom of interstate travel.
在很长一段时间里，广播对于缓解州际旅行的无聊并没有多大帮助。
After three hours, my finger was numb from jamming the Seek button when the radio suddenly snagged this station.
三小时后，当收音机突然捕捉到这个电台时，我的手指因卡住“搜索”按钮而麻木了。
And it was two elderly gentleman reading.
两位老先生正在读书。
It was unlike anything I'd heard all morning, or for that matter, for the last 30 years.
这与我整个上午听到的任何声音都不一样，或者就这一点而言，过去三十年里我听到的任何声音都不一样。
Well, a good Monday morning to you, and welcome to the March 2 edition of The News, as being read to you by us volunteers, us being Mike--
好吧，周一早上好，欢迎收看 3 月 2 日版《新闻》，我们志愿者正在为您朗读，我们是迈克——
That's me.
那就是我。
Gordon --and yours truly, Gordon, Monday morning hosts here.
戈登——您真诚的戈登，星期一早上在这里主持。
And we read for the reading disabled or anyone else who would like to listen.
我们为阅读障碍者或任何其他愿意倾听的人阅读。
And in the background, you're listening to a usually-swinging band playing Beatles music, Ted Heath from London, England.
在背景音乐中，你会听到来自英国伦敦的泰德·希思 (Ted Heath) 乐队演奏披头士乐队的音乐。
And we'll hear more of Ted on the way out at 12 o'clock.
我们会在 12 点离开时听到更多 Ted 的消息。
And then, at 11:00, we'll be playing Engelbert Humperdinck.
然后，在 11:00，我们将演奏 Engelbert Humperdinck。
Nice fellow.
好家伙。
Gordon Of course, music is not our game here.
戈登 当然，音乐不是我们这里的游戏。
No, it isn't.
不，不是。
Gordon We just put it in to relieve or give ourselves a break and get us in the mood to read to you, because for the next two hours, we will be reading.
戈登 我们只是为了放松或让自己休息一下，让我们有心情读书给你听，因为在接下来的两个小时里，我们将读书。
You're listening to the Lowell Association for the Blind Talking Information Radio Reading Service coming to you--
您正在收听洛厄尔盲人谈话信息广播阅读协会向您提供的服务——
The service is provided for the reading impaired.
该服务是为阅读障碍者提供的。
Mike and Gordon read items right out of the Lowell Sun , the Nashua Telegram , the Lawrence Eagle-Tribune .
迈克和戈登直接阅读了《洛厄尔太阳报》、《纳舒厄电报》、《劳伦斯鹰论坛报》的文章。
They happily lack all the mannered, practiced intonation and attitude of commercial radio.
幸运的是，他们缺乏商业广播中所有彬彬有礼、训练有素的语调和态度。
Their keen story selection favors Homeric battles among sewer commissioners and landfill managers or pronouncements from local cranky professors.
他们敏锐的故事选择倾向于下水道专员和垃圾填埋场经理之间的荷马式战斗或当地暴躁教授的声明。
I knew right away that I had found my escape from Gordon Liddy and Chumbawamba.
我立刻就知道我已经逃离了戈登·利迪和楚巴万巴。
We really stick to local news if we can-- Merrimack Valley news, southern New Hampshire, northern Massachusetts, anywhere within our listening audience.
如果可以的话，我们真的会坚持当地新闻——梅里马克谷新闻、新罕布什尔州南部、马萨诸塞州北部，以及我们听众中的任何地方。
But it's always local news because we feel-- and I think, Mike, you'll agree with me-- they can hear the national and the international news on their regular radios or televisions.
但它总是本地新闻，因为我们觉得——我想，迈克，你会同意我的观点——他们可以在常规广播或电视上听到国内和国际新闻。
Yes, I agree.
是的，我同意。
Gordon And we're going to get under way with Mike reading from the Nashua Telegraph , today's edition, by the way.
戈登：顺便说一句，我们将开始与迈克一起阅读今天版的《纳舒厄电讯报》。
Yes, good morning.
是的，早上好。
And from the University of New Hampshire, the headline here says, "Domestic Assault Researcher Backs Unorthodox Views." Murray Strauss defends his theory that wives assault husbands as often as the reverse.
新罕布什尔大学的标题是“国内攻击研究人员支持非正统观点”。默里·施特劳斯（Murray Strauss）捍卫了他的理论，即妻子攻击丈夫的次数与丈夫攻击丈夫的次数一样多。
That's Mike, who seems to have naturally married the vocal charms of Lawrence Welk and Howard Cosell.
这就是迈克，他似乎天生就融合了劳伦斯·韦尔克和霍华德·科塞尔的声音魅力。
Gordon's the other one, who tends toward a quieter style.
戈登是另一位，他倾向于更安静的风格。
In this story, Mike reveals that the official statistics on domestic abuse are flawed because men simply don't report their beatings to police.
在这个故事中，迈克透露，关于家庭暴力的官方统计数据是有缺陷的，因为男人根本不向警方报告他们的殴打行为。
And Mike explains why.
迈克解释了原因。
Although both men and women are likely to be ashamed of being hit by a partner, many men are even more ashamed because they feel it shows them to be a wimp, he said.
他说，尽管男性和女性都可能因被伴侣殴打而感到羞耻，但许多男性更感到羞耻，因为他们觉得这表明他们是个懦夫。
Every story ends with a touch of banter from the two hosts.
每个故事都以两位主持人的玩笑结束。
You know, Mike, that's never happened to me.
你知道，迈克，这从来没有发生在我身上。
Oh, me neither.
哦，我也一样。
Gordon Well, you're married.
戈登 好吧，你结婚了。
I'm not.
我不是。
No wife would ever hit me because it would have to be somebody else's wife, and I don't make friends with other people's wives.
没有一个妻子会打我，因为那一定是别人的妻子，而且我不会和别人的妻子交朋友。
I can't remember if I've been hit by somebody else.
我不记得我是否被别人打过。
Oh, you can.
哦，你可以。
Come on.
快点。
That was a very serious story--
那是一个非常严肃的故事——
Yes, it was.
是的，确实如此。
Gordon --but we sort of made a little light of it at the end.
戈登——但最后我们有点轻描淡写了。
And we're sort of informal here on our little radio station, and we hope you don't mind it.
我们的小广播电台有点非正式，希望您不要介意。
"Informal" is not quite the right word.
“非正式”这个词不太恰当。
The right word is "surreal." Even though the readings are as ordinary as anything found in a newspaper-- Dear Abby, the horoscopes-- their intensity makes the listener feel not so much like he's hearing a radio station as living in this place where Mike and Gordon dwell.
正确的词是“超现实”。尽管读数与报纸上的任何东西一样普通——亲爱的艾比，星座运势——但它们的强度让听众感觉不像是在听广播电台，而更像是生活在迈克和戈登居住的地方。
Even the obits are absorbing.
就连讣告也很吸引人。
Eugene R.
尤金·R。
Goyette of Alfred, Maine.
缅因州阿尔弗雷德的戈耶特。
Committal prayers and services will be conducted at 11:00 AM tomorrow in the chapel at Saint Joseph's cemetery in Chelmsford.
承诺祈祷和服务将于明天上午 11:00 在切姆斯福德圣约瑟夫公墓的教堂举行。
Mrs. Anna E.
安娜·E 女士
[?
[？
Leckis-- ?] or Leekis-- [?
莱基斯-- ？] 或莱基斯-- [？
Kunzler ?] of Lowell, wife of Charles E.
昆兹勒？]洛厄尔，查尔斯·E·肯兹勒的妻子。
[?
[？
Kunzler Sr. ?] Calling hours are at the-- no, this is another one.
Kunzler Sr.？] 通话时间是——不，这是另一个时间。
I'm sorry.
对不起。
She's evidently already been buried, Mrs. [?
她显然已经被埋葬了，[？
Kunzler.
昆兹勒。
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I could not turn the stories off, whether it was assistant city manager Virginia Dolloff getting fired because she hadn't done enough to stimulate growth along one part of lower Middlesex Street, or sewer commissioner Tom Moran who, now a candidate for selectman, was worried that his sewer experience might peg him as a one-issue politician, or the account of Representative [?
我无法关闭这些故事，无论是助理城市经理维吉尼亚·多洛夫（Virginia Dolloff）因为没有采取足够措施刺激下米德尔塞克斯街某一部分的增长而被解雇，还是下水道专员汤姆·莫兰（现在是选举人候选人，担心他的下水道经验可能会让他成为一名单一问题的政治家），还是众议员的帐户[？
Millnozzle ?] breaking his leg.
Millnozzle？] 打断了他的腿。
But the story that had me spellbound for 10 minutes was a long and treacherous account of the annual meeting of the Dracut Water Supply District.
但让我着迷了 10 分钟的故事是关于德拉卡特供水区年会的一篇冗长而危险的报道。
It was rich in character and subterfuge, a mini Shakespearean drama.
它人物性格丰富，诡计多端，堪称一部迷你莎士比亚戏剧。
Essentially, three board members who faced pay cuts had packed the meeting with relatives.
本质上，三名面临减薪的董事会成员都挤满了亲戚参加会议。
And in the end, they GOT raises.
最后，他们得到了加薪。
Graham's relatives at the meeting included his wife and about 10 brothers, sisters-in-laws, cousins, and nephews.
格雷厄姆出席会议的亲属包括他的妻子和大约10名兄弟、嫂子、表兄弟姐妹和侄子。
Also present were about 15 Graham friends, neighbors, and business associates.
出席的还有大约 15 名格雷厄姆的朋友、邻居和商业伙伴。
Blatus had about 10 relatives at the meeting-- three sons, a sister, a brother, a cousin, and in-laws.
布拉图斯约有 10 名亲戚参加了会议，其中包括三个儿子、一个姐妹、一个兄弟、一个表兄弟和姻亲。
[?
[？
Annis's ?] wife, daughter, son, and son-in-law were there, as were several of his neighbors.
安妮斯的妻子、女儿、儿子和女婿都在那里，他的几个邻居也在那里。
In all, counting relatives and friends of the commissioners, Blatus and [?
总而言之，算上委员们的亲戚和朋友，布拉图斯和[？
Gardette ?], totalled close to 100.
加德特？]，总计接近 100。
But wait, there's more.
但等等，还有更多。
Gordon 26 from the school department, six firefighters, three police officers, and two from the sewer department.
戈登 26 号来自学校部门，六名消防员，三名警察，两名来自下水道部门。
The disputed raise, by the way, was a mere $2,000.
顺便说一句，有争议的加薪仅为 2,000 美元。
But the ferocity of the battle was apparent, and even the political tactics were strangely familiar.
但战斗的激烈程度显而易见，就连政治策略也出奇地熟悉。
Like Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich, the raise plotters pretended to be astonished that anyone would question their motives for going to the meeting.
就像比尔·克林顿或纽特·金里奇一样，加薪策划者假装对有人质疑他们参加会议的动机感到惊讶。
So they shrouded themselves in patriotism.
所以他们把自己包裹在爱国主义之中。
"It's just one of those things that happens," said district clerk Michael Blatus.
“这只是发生的事情之一，”地区职员迈克尔·布拉图斯说。
"Everybody can go to a meeting.
“每个人都可以去参加会议。
Shame on the people who don't--
那些不这样做的人感到羞耻——
By the end of the piece, my heart went out to Maureen [?
这篇文章结束时，我的心向莫琳倾诉[？
Cares, ?] who had arrived innocently ready to defend smaller Jeffersonian government.
关心，？]谁天真地来到这里，准备保卫较小的杰斐逊政府。
But she was easily crushed.
但她很容易就被压垮了。
"I'm disappointed," said Maureen [?
“我很失望，”莫琳说[？
Cares, ?] who attended with her husband.
关心，？] 与她的丈夫一起参加。
"This was my first water district meeting, and it strikes me as though the other side-- and I hate to use that tern-- it appears that there were some efforts to bring out a particular constituency." Mike?
“这是我第一次参加水区会议，让我印象深刻的是，另一方——我讨厌使用这个词——似乎有人在努力吸引特定的选区。”迈克？
I think that should have been subtitled "All in the Family." And now, I'd like to introduce Lowell's weather wizard, Steve Roberts.
我认为副标题应该是“全家人”。现在，我想介绍洛厄尔的天气奇才史蒂夫·罗伯茨。
The core audience of this program is maybe 200 blind people in New England who actually hear the broadcast on special radios configured to receive its non-AM/FM signal.
该节目的核心观众可能是新英格兰的 200 名盲人，他们实际上通过配置为接收非 AM/FM 信号的特殊收音机收听广播。
Occasionally, they air the show on the local college channel, which is how I heard it.
偶尔，他们会在当地的大学频道上播放该节目，我就是这么听说的。
But for the most part, Mike and Gordon's universe shares in our air space but is not of it.
但在很大程度上，迈克和戈登的宇宙共享我们的空气空间，但并不属于它。
It's what Lake Wobegon would be if real people lived there, and then broadcast their own show without Garrison Keillor.
如果真人住在那里，然后在没有加里森·凯勒的情况下播放自己的节目，沃比冈湖就会变成这样。
In this alternate universe, the men are not always strong.
在这个平行宇宙中，男人并不总是坚强的。
Rather, they are savagely beaten by their wives.
相反，他们遭到妻子的野蛮殴打。
And the children are not at all above average.
而且孩子们的成绩也并不高于平均水平。
From Tyngsboro, sophomores at three area technical high schools scored poorly last year on a nationwide test of English, math, and other key subjects.
去年，来自廷斯伯勒的三所地区技术高中的二年级学生在全国英语、数学和其他关键科目考试中成绩不佳。
Greater Lowell sophomores scored in the 27th percentile, meaning 73% of the school systems nationwide scored higher.
大洛厄尔地区二年级学生的得分位于第 27%，这意味着全国 73% 的学校系统得分较高。
Not that there isn't a good deal of Keillor's sweetness on the air.
这并不是说节目中没有多少凯勒的甜蜜。
Mike and Gordon discuss a pledge drive that will occur between now and the-- I'm not making this up-- Acme Club picnic.
迈克和戈登讨论了从现在到——我不是编造的——Acme 俱乐部野餐之间将进行的承诺活动。
Later, there's a discussion of the election of the town hog reeve.
随后，人们讨论了镇霸里夫的选举。
That's the guy charged with rounding up the village's pigs if they bust out of the pens.
这个人负责围捕村里的猪，如果它们从猪栏里逃出来的话。
When you hear this program, you realize just how homogenized everything else on radio is.
当您听到这个节目时，您就会意识到广播中的其他内容是多么同质化。
This is banter that hasn't been focus grouped or copied from another show with better ratings.
这些玩笑还没有被集中讨论，也没有从其他收视率更高的节目中复制过来。
Finding Mike and Gordon was like discovering radio as it might have been 65 years ago, a kind of ur-radio, beautifully preserved in amber.
寻找迈克和戈登就像发现 65 年前的收音机一样，是一种原始收音机，保存在琥珀中，精美绝伦。
By the way, I have a little funny I want to make.
顺便说一句，我想做一个有趣的事情。
Is El Nino related to that old movie star Sal Mineo?
厄尔尼诺现象与老影星萨尔米内奥有关吗？
No, I don't think so.
不，我不这么认为。
Mike I had to say that.
迈克，我不得不这么说。
I just had to say that.
我不得不这么说。
Well, that's all right.
好吧，没关系。
I'll ask Dutch.
我去问问荷兰人。
He's an aficionado of these things.
他是这些东西的爱好者。
You're welcome.
不客气。
Mike Back to the news, we are.
迈克回到新闻，我们是。
Jack Hitt listens to the radio from his home in New Haven, Connecticut.
杰克·希特在康涅狄格州纽黑文的家中听广播。
Coming up in the second half of our program, we move from the radio we love to the radio that actually exists on most radio stations, plus, the Nobel Peace Prize winner who wants to host a radio show like Howard Stern's.
在节目的后半部分，我们从我们喜欢的广播转向大多数广播电台中实际存在的广播，此外，诺贝尔和平奖获得者想要主持像霍华德·斯特恩这样的广播节目。
And which Nobel Peace recipient is it?
哪位诺贝尔和平奖获得者是？
Nelson Mandela?
纳尔逊·曼德拉？
Henry Kissinger?
亨利·基辛格？
Yasser Arafat?
亚西尔·阿拉法特？
The Dalai Lama?
达赖喇嘛？
Real answers in a minute from Public Radio International when our program continues.
当我们的节目继续进行时，国际公共广播电台将立即给出真正的答案。
It's This American Life.
这就是美国生活。
I'm Ira Glass.
我是艾拉·格拉斯。
Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme.
当然，每周我们的节目都会选择一个主题，为您带来有关该主题的各种不同类型的故事。
Today's program, Radio.
今天的节目，广播。
What makes it so great?
是什么让它如此出色？
What makes it so terrible?
是什么让它如此可怕？
And we have arrived at Act Three, The Radio Most People Listen To.
我们已经到了第三幕，大多数人收听的广播。
[LAUGHTER] Female DJ 1 He can't even get it out.
[笑声] 女 DJ 1 他甚至无法把它拿出来。
We start June 26.
我们从 6 月 26 日开始。
Female DJ 2 Free tickets?
女DJ 2 免票？
Myra, please.
迈拉，请。
Female DJ 2 Well, I just thought I'd ask.
女 DJ 2 嗯，我只是想问一下。
This is a recording of V103, WVAZ in Chicago.
这是 V103、WVAZ 在芝加哥的录音。
A few years back, V103 was in fourth or fifth place.
几年前，V103 排名第四或第五。
But radio is not an art, my friend.
但广播不是一门艺术，我的朋友。
No, no no. It's a science.
不，不，不。这是一门科学。
And by applying scientific principles, consultant Tony Gray and program director Max Myrick transformed V103 until it tied for number one in the Chicago market, year after year, with adults age 25 to 54.
通过应用科学原理，顾问 Tony Gray 和项目总监 Max Myrick 对 V103 进行了改造，直到它在芝加哥市场上年复一年地在 25 至 54 岁成年人市场中并列第一。
This, of course, means lots more ad revenue, much bigger profits.
当然，这意味着更多的广告收入和更大的利润。
Twice as many adults listen to them as listen to Chicago's public radio station.
收听这些节目的成年人数量是收听芝加哥公共广播电台的成年人的两倍。
The story of how Max and Tony did this, made their station number one, is the story of how radio works-- pretty much every commercial station on the dial.
马克斯和托尼如何做到这一点，使他们的电台排名第一，这个故事就是广播电台如何运作的故事——几乎每一个商业电台都是如此。
This is the science of modern radio.
这就是现代无线电科学。
And it begins here, 15 blocks away from the radio station.
一切从这里开始，距广播电台 15 个街区。
These are the offices of a company that V103 hires called Strategic Media Research.
这些是 V103 雇佣的一家名为“战略媒体研究”公司的办公室。
Every day, young women in 10 windowless rooms get on the phone in the late afternoon and early evening and call radio listeners.
每天下午晚些时候和傍晚早些时候，10 个没有窗户的房间里的年轻女性都会打电话给广播听众。
It's targeted research.
这是有针对性的研究。
For V103, they only call the listeners that V103 wants more than any others.
对于V103来说，他们只给V103最想要的听众打电话。
These are 35- to 44-year-old African-American women.
这些是 35 至 44 岁的非裔美国女性。
They go for women rather than for men for a very simple reason, Tony Gray tells me.
托尼·格雷告诉我，他们更喜欢女性而不是男性，原因很简单。
Women are more likely to actually fill out the Arbitron diaries, which ratings are based on.
女性更有可能真正填写 Arbitron 日记，这是评分的基础。
In most cases across the country, the stations target females because you know you can rely on the women to fill out the diaries.
在全国大多数情况下，这些电台都以女性为目标，因为你知道你可以依靠女性来填写日记。
So they get these women on the phone, and they hook them up to a computer which plays them brief clips of 30 different songs over the phone.
因此，他们给这些女性打电话，然后将她们连接到电脑上，电脑通过电话为她们播放 30 首不同歌曲的简短片段。
It takes about 15 minutes.
大约需要15分钟。
For each song, the women press numbers on the phone's keypad to indicate if they're familiar with the song, how much they like the song, and if they're getting bored of the song, which Max says is the most important thing.
对于每首歌曲，女性都按手机键盘上的数字来表示她们是否熟悉这首歌、她们有多喜欢这首歌、以及她们是否对这首歌感到厌倦，麦克斯说这是最重要的事情。
Once you get a record on the air, you have to know when to take it off, because there's nothing that'll drive a person away from a station than a song that they're just tired of.
一旦你播放了一张唱片，你就必须知道什么时候把它取下来，因为没有什么比一首让人厌倦的歌曲更能让人离开电台了。
Every week, a printout of the audience scores arrives on Max's desk.
每周，麦克斯的办公桌上都会收到一份观众评分的打印件。
And he marks it up, dividing the songs into A songs, B songs, C songs.
他还做了标记，把歌曲分为A歌、B歌、C歌。
A songs will be played on V103 every three and a half hours.
V103每三个半小时播放一首歌曲。
B songs will be played every five hours.
B歌曲每五个小时播放一次。
Cs will be played twice a day.
Cs每天会打两次。
These 30 songs are the only new songs that V103 plays They make up 40% of the music on the station.
这30首歌曲是V103播放的唯一新歌，占了电台音乐的40%。
The other 60% is what radio programmers call "golds," proven songs that always test well with the target audience.
另外 60% 是广播节目编排员所说的“金曲”，即经过验证的歌曲，总是能在目标受众中得到很好的测试。
For V103, that means Marvin Gaye's "Sexual Healing," anything by Anita Baker.
对于 V103，这意味着马文·盖伊 (Marvin Gaye) 的“性治疗”，安妮塔·贝克 (Anita Baker) 的任何作品。
On last week's list, Max crossed off six songs that just did not test well enough to stay on the station, one of them a sentimental favorite for Max by his favorite artist, an artist that he does not want me to name on the radio.
在上周的列表中，麦克斯划掉了六首因测试不够好而无法留在电台的歌曲，其中一首是麦克斯最喜欢的艺术家在情感上最喜欢的歌曲，他不想让我在广播中提及这位艺术家的名字。
So I'll just say that he's a crossover black artist who married Lisa Marie Presley.
所以我只能说他是一位跨界黑人艺术家，与丽莎·玛丽·普雷斯利结婚。
The reason this song is in brackets is because we've been playing it for several weeks.
这首歌之所以放在括号中是因为我们已经播放了它好几个星期了。
So it's saying it'll never be a hit.
所以它说它永远不会成为热门。
The research is saying it's not going to happen.
研究表明这种情况不会发生。
Now, you like this song.
现在，你喜欢这首歌。
Max Myrick I love this song.
麦克斯·迈里克 我喜欢这首歌。
I love the artist.
我爱这位艺术家。
But you cannot let those feelings interfere.
但你不能让这些感觉干扰你。
No, it's not about me.
不，这与我无关。
It's about listeners.
这是关于听众的。
It's about playing what they want.
这是关于玩他们想要的东西。
You have your own radio station here.
你在这里有自己的广播电台。
You can play whatever you want.
你可以随心所欲地玩。
That's my job.
这就是我的工作。
You said the most important thing.
你说了最重要的事情。
I have my own radio station at home.
我家里有自己的广播电台。
And I play all the stuff I want to play as often as I want to play it.
我想玩多少就玩多少。
I make tapes.
我制作磁带。
But when I come here, it's about business-- big business.
但当我来到这里时，我关心的是生意——大生意。
Millions of dollars are affected by the decisions we make.
我们所做的决定会影响数百万美元。
So that's the real bottom line.
这就是真正的底线。
V103 has four competitors who are going after the same demographic group that they are.
V103 有四个竞争对手，他们的目标人群与他们相同。
The average person, says Max, jumps around between two and three radio stations all the time.
马克斯说，一般人总是在两到三个广播电台之间跳来跳去。
If at any moment V103 has a song that scores lower with the audience and one of its competitors has a song that scores higher, V103 loses.
如果在任何时刻，V103 有一首歌曲在观众中得分较低，而其竞争对手之一有一首歌曲在观众中得分较高，则 V103 就会失败。
Some programming tidbits I picked up during my visit to V103-- if you play rap music, you pretty much say goodbye to any adult audience.
我在参观 V103 期间了解到的一些节目花絮——如果你播放说唱音乐，你几乎就要和所有成年观众说再见了。
So even stations that target African-Americans usually don't play much rap.
因此，即使是针对非裔美国人的电台通常也不会播放太多说唱节目。
V103 plays none.
V103 不播放任何内容。
Sampling is another matter.
采样是另一回事。
One of the reasons that sampling bits of old songs so popular now in pop music has to do with the way that radio stations operate, with the science of modern radio.
现在流行音乐中如此流行的老歌片段的原因之一与广播电台的运作方式以及现代广播科学有关。
Picture-- if you were a songwriter and you put some famous old clip from a pop song into your song, when radio stations do those telephone surveys of listeners, way more listeners, especially older listeners, are likely to say that they recognize and like your song.
想象一下——如果你是一名歌曲作者，你将流行歌曲中一些著名的老片段放入你的歌曲中，当广播电台对听众进行电话调查时，更多的听众，尤其是年龄较大的听众，可能会说他们认识并喜欢你的歌曲。
And radio stations will add your song to the playlist.
广播电台会将您的歌曲添加到播放列表中。
One of the songs that Max is adding is a song called "Too Close," which has a sample in it.
Max 添加的歌曲之一是一首名为“Too Close”的歌曲，其中包含样本。
Oh, here it is.
哦，在这里。
This is another song we were looking at.
这是我们正在看的另一首歌。
Normally, we would not go on a song like this because it tends to be a little young.
通常，我们不会继续唱这样的歌曲，因为它往往有点年轻。
But the bed for the song is from a familiar adult song.
但这首歌的床头却来自一首熟悉的成人歌曲。
What's the sample that they steal-- use?
他们窃取的样本是什么？
What is that song?
那首歌是什么？
Tony Gray You'd have to put it in.
托尼·格雷：你必须把它放进去。
Oh, here you go.
哦，给你。
It was a rap song back in-- oh, "Christmas Rappin'" by Kurtis Blow.
这是一首说唱歌曲——哦，Kurtis Blow 的《Christmas Rappin'》。
Kurtis Blow.
柯蒂斯·布洛。
Right.
对。
Max Myrick Remember that?
马克斯·迈里克 还记得吗？
The '80s, sure.
80 年代，当然。
Max Myrick This is a very familiar sound.
Max Myrick 这是一个非常熟悉的声音。
If you're in the adult demo, it's not going to make you mad to hear this song because it's just so familiar.
如果您在成人演示中，听到这首歌不会让您生气，因为它是如此熟悉。
You know this song?
你知道这首歌吗？
What is this song?
这首歌是什么？
When they came to V103, Max and Tony made some changes in personnel, they tinkered with the station's slogans and promotions.
当他们来到V103时，马克斯和托尼对人员进行了一些调整，他们修改了电台的口号和促销活动。
They paid a marketing firm to call 200,000 women on the phone telling them to listen for a contest on V103.
他们付钱给一家营销公司，给 200,000 名女性打电话，让她们收听 V103 上的一场比赛。
But the main thing, Tony says, the single most important thing that moved them from number five to tied for first place was picking their music more carefully, letting in nothing that did not test well with the target demographic.
但托尼说，最重要的是，让他们从第五名上升到并列第一名的最重要的事情是更仔细地选择他们的音乐，不让任何没有经过目标人群测试的音乐进入。
A higher degree of discipline.
更高程度的纪律性。
And what, again, my experience has been, a short playlist always seems to fix the problem a lot quicker than, let's say, a more liberal playlist.
再说一遍，我的经验是，简短的播放列表似乎总是比更自由的播放列表更快地解决问题。
When I went to visit V103, I had not been in a commercial radio station for 20 years.
当我去参观V103时，我已经有20年没有去过商业电台了。
And I was curious about what it was going to be like, Chicago's number one station.
我很好奇芝加哥的第一站会是什么样子。
Turns out it looks exactly like Chicago's public radio station-- same carpet, same fixtures, same office equipment, same phone system.
事实证明，它看起来和芝加哥的公共广播电台一模一样——同样的地毯、同样的固定装置、同样的办公设备、同样的电话系统。
It looked exactly the same, except everyone at V103 had much nicer clothes.
看起来一模一样，只是 V103 的每个人都穿了更好看的衣服。
And the stereo speakers in Max's office are nicer than the ones in the studio that I speak to you from right now.
马克斯办公室的立体声扬声器比我现在与您交谈的工作室中的立体声扬声器更好。
Tony and Max and I are the same age-- 39 and 40.
托尼、麦克斯和我同龄——39 岁和 40 岁。
All three of us started in radio as teenagers Ask them what they love about radio, and they talk about finding unknown songs, putting them on the air, watching them become hits.
我们三个人在青少年时期就开始接触广播。当问他们喜欢广播的什么时，他们谈到寻找不为人知的歌曲，将它们播出，看着它们成为热门歌曲。
They talk about the satisfaction of watching the science of radio marketing actually work.
他们谈论了观看广播营销科学实际发挥作用的满足感。
And their lives are organized around one moment that happens every month-- the moment they get their numbers.
他们的生活是围绕每个月发生的一个时刻组织起来的——他们得到号码的那一刻。
It happens every month.
每个月都会发生这种情况。
I can't sleep the night before the book comes out.
这本书出版前一天晚上我睡不着觉。
I can't do it.
我做不到。
I can't sleep.
我睡不着。
I can't do it.
我做不到。
And when I pull them up, I always have my head down.
当我把它们拉起来时，我总是低着头。
I don't even want to see them.
我什至不想见到他们。
And luckily, we've been at the top of the page.
幸运的是，我们已经位于页面顶部。
But man--
但是伙计——
Running a station the scientific way means, of course, that most radio stations sound the same.
当然，以科学的方式运营电台意味着大多数广播电台听起来都是一样的。
It's why most radio is so boring, why we hear the same songs repeated over and over, everywhere on the dial, from city to city, why V103 can't even play Otis Redding.
这就是为什么大多数收音机如此无聊，为什么我们在表盘上的任何地方，从一个城市到另一个城市，一遍又一遍地听到同样的歌曲，为什么 V103 甚至无法播放奥蒂斯·雷丁 (Otis Redding)。
I should note that public radio does not stand above all this.
我应该指出，公共广播并不高于这一切。
Research has been driving it for years.
多年来，研究一直在推动这一趋势。
The jazz played on Chicago's public radio station is audience tested.
芝加哥公共广播电台播放的爵士乐经过了观众的测试。
The classical musical on most stations is audience tested.
大多数电台的古典音乐剧都经过观众测试。
The most any of us can hope for in this environment is pockets of individuality.
在这种环境下，我们最希望的就是拥有个性。
And one of the interesting things about V103 is that their format does include pockets of individuality, most notably, the morning show.
V103 的一个有趣的事情是，他们的节目形式确实包含了一些个性，尤其是早间节目。
Tom Joyner, who's syndicated around the country, who does one of the most idiosyncratic, funny, truly interesting radio shows I have ever heard.
汤姆·乔伊纳（Tom Joyner）在全国范围内进行联合广播，他的广播节目是我听过的最独特、最有趣、最有趣的广播节目之一。
It jumps quickly from This Day in Black History to the three-minute radio soap opera It's Your World .
它从黑人历史中的这一天快速跳到三分钟的广播肥皂剧《这是你的世界》。
From serious and semi-serious to straight-out comedy, it is surprising and just great by any measure.
从严肃、半严肃到纯粹的喜剧，无论从什么角度来看，它都令人惊讶，而且非常棒。
So we kind of made a little noise, huh, Mr. Novak?
所以我们有点吵闹，是吧，诺瓦克先生？
Indeed you did.
确实你做到了。
You've got some power, I would say.
我想说，你有一些力量。
A few weeks ago, Joyner and his morning crew took on conservative columnist Robert Novak.
几周前，乔伊纳和他的晨间团队与保守派专栏作家罗伯特·诺瓦克进行了较量。
This is while President Clinton was in Africa apologizing for slavery.
当时克林顿总统正在非洲为奴隶制道歉。
Novak, at the time, said something on television about how African-Americans would not be in the United States if not for slavery.
当时，诺瓦克在电视上说过，如果没有奴隶制，非洲裔美国人就不会留在美国。
Joyner's show started a barrage of mail to the Chicago newspaper that publishes Novak's syndicated column.
乔伊纳的节目引发了向出版诺瓦克联合专栏的芝加哥报纸的大量邮件。
And very, very quickly, Novak came onto Joyner's show to try to clarify his position for Joyner's audience.
很快，诺瓦克就出现在乔伊纳的节目中，试图向乔伊纳的观众澄清他的立场。
Some of our really fine citizens are African-Americans-- in government, in business, athletics and show business.
我们的一些真正优秀的公民是非裔美国人——在政府、商界、体育界和演艺界。
You know how they got here?
你知道他们是怎么来的吗？
They were all slaves, weren't they?
他们都是奴隶，不是吗？
So it's kind of a problem.
所以这是一个问题。
We wouldn't have this enrichment of our society if it wasn't for slavery.
如果没有奴隶制，我们的社会就不会如此丰富。
I never said slavery was a good thing.
我从来没有说过奴隶制是一件好事。
I said it was an unusual thing.
我说这是一件不寻常的事情。
Mr. Novak, let me jump in right quick, if I may.
诺瓦克先生，如果可以的话，让我快点加入吧。
When you say it's kind of a problem, the "it's" in that sentence presumably stands for slavery.
当你说这是一个问题时，那句话中的“它”可能代表奴隶制。
So if slavery is kind of a problem--
所以如果奴隶制是一个问题——
No, I didn't mean that.
不，我不是那个意思。
Tom Joyner OK, what did you mean by that?
汤姆·乔伊纳 好吧，你这是什么意思？
I meant it's a logical problem that we wouldn't have--
我的意思是这是一个逻辑问题，我们不会——
One more thing about the scientific way of making radio-- it is weirdly democratic.
关于制作广播的科学方式还有一件事——它是奇怪的民主。
Every song is chosen by polling.
每首歌曲都是通过投票选出的。
Here's this multimillion dollar business, all these well-groomed men and women and their expensive clothes spending every hour of every day thinking about how to please middle-aged, inner-city black women.
这是一项价值数百万美元的生意，所有这些穿着考究的男人和女人，穿着昂贵的衣服，每天的每一个小时都在思考如何取悦市中心的中年黑人女性。
How many other civic institutions are doing that?
还有多少其他民间机构正在这样做？
And let me just say one thing, that I'm not in the business of offending people.
让我只说一件事，我不做冒犯别人的事。
And I am genuinely sorry if anybody was offended by the remarks I made before or even the remarks I made this morning.
如果有人因我之前的言论甚至今天早上的言论而感到冒犯，我深表歉意。
OK.
好的。
We appreciate it.
我们很感激。
Thank you, Mr. Novak.
谢谢您，诺瓦克先生。
All right.
好吧。
You've got it.
你已经明白了。
CNN, Washington bureau.
美国有线电视新闻网 (CNN) 华盛顿分社。
Well, of course, the science of radio-- the machine of modern radio-- takes as well as it gives.
当然，无线电科学——现代无线电的机器——既给予也索取。
It breaks hearts.
它让人心碎。
Lots of people and ideas get knocked off the air as programmers try things they think will more predictably and scientifically attract listeners.
当程序员尝试一些他们认为会更可预测、更科学地吸引听众的东西时，许多人和想法都被搁置了。
Ida Hakkila had a job as a DJ on two big New York rock stations, and she got pushed out for more predictable programming.
艾达·哈基拉 (Ida Hakkila) 在纽约两家大型摇滚电台担任 DJ，但因节目内容更加可预测而被解雇。
She began at a station called Z-Rock.
她从一个名为 Z-Rock 的电台开始。
I was the voice of Z-Rock.
我是 Z-Rock 的声音。
And what they'd have me do was-- I was kind of younger.
他们想让我做的是——我还年轻一些。
I don't think I'd do it now.
我想我现在不会这么做。
But I was the only female voice on the station.
但我是电台里唯一的女声。
So I had to be really, really angry, which isn't the way that I am, personally.
所以我必须非常非常生气，但我个人不是这样的。
So it'd be like, AM 1480 Z-Rock!
所以它就像，AM 1480 Z-Rock！
you know, like I was going to hurt somebody.
你知道，就像我要伤害某人一样。
So sometimes--
所以有时候——
And were those instructions to you?
这些指示是给你的吗？
Did they actually sit with you in the studio and they're like, "No, angrier.
他们真的和你坐在工作室里吗？他们会说，“不，更生气。
Make it sound angrier"?
让它听起来更愤怒”？
No. Actually, I did all the production.
不，事实上，所有的制作都是我做的。
I just did everything.
我刚刚做了一切。
It was funny.
这很有趣。
And I think I got paid, like, $5 an hour.
我想我的工资大概是每小时 5 美元。
And then, at the end of the day, there was a boss that would hear everything.
然后，到了最后，老板就会听到一切。
And he'd say, "Could you sound more, I don't know, like a dominatrix?"
他会说：“我不知道，你能听起来更像一个施虐狂吗？”
And at some point, you became a DJ-- a regular DJ on the station, right?
在某个时候，你成为了一名 DJ——电台的常客，对吧？
Right.
对。
Well, what happened was, they started out this butt rock rock station.
好吧，发生的事情是，他们开始了这个屁股摇滚摇滚站。
It was called Q104.3.
它被称为 Q104.3。
What are you calling it?
你管它叫什么？
Ida Hakkila Butt rock.
艾达·哈基拉屁股摇滚。
Butt rock?
屁股摇滚？
Ida Hakkila And I mean that in the most endearing way.
Ida Hakkila 我的意思是以最可爱的方式。
I really love the music.
我真的很喜欢音乐。
It was AC/DC and Ozzy.
这是 AC/DC 和 Ozzy。
And for some reason, the best way to describe it would be to call it butt rock.
出于某种原因，描述它的最好方式就是称之为屁股摇滚。
And the way commercial radio is, there's these very slight parameters.
就像商业广播一样，有这些非常微小的参数。
But this guy, as program director, knew that the best thing to do with me was to let me go.
但这个人，作为项目总监，知道对我来说最好的事情就是让我走。
The very first shifts that I did were Saturday nights.
我做的第一个轮班是周六晚上。
He'd let me play some of my own records, which was an amazing amount of freedom.
他让我播放一些我自己的唱片，这是一种惊人的自由。
I know it doesn't sound like very much, but it was enough space to be a human and to have a lot of fun with the listeners.
我知道这听起来不太像，但对于一个人来说，这已经足够了，并且可以与听众一起享受很多乐趣。
So what happened?
那么发生了什么？
So how come you're not there?
那么你怎么不在呢？
Oh, because in 1996, I guess Viacom could own more than one station, and they decided that they wanted to have a station that appealed to males age 25 to 54.
哦，因为在 1996 年，我猜维亚康姆可能会拥有多个电台，他们决定要拥有一个能够吸引 25 岁至 54 岁男性的电台。
So they changed the format from pure rock, which is what they called it, to classic rock.
因此，他们将形式从纯摇滚（他们称之为纯摇滚）改为经典摇滚。
These distinctions you're making-- pure rock versus classic rock versus new rock-- it's so Talmudic.
你所做的这些区分——纯摇滚、经典摇滚、新摇滚——太塔木德式了。
It's just so fine.
真是太好了。
Classic rock, oh, it was like Aqualung again, and, like, Jimmy Buffett and stuff that just-- I was literally praying to get fired when I kind of saw the writing on the wall.
经典摇滚，哦，又像水肺了，还有吉米·巴菲特之类的东西——当我看到不祥之兆时，我真的在祈祷自己被解雇。
I walked into the promotions closet, and I saw these Jimmy Buffett t-shirts.
我走进促销衣柜，看到了这些吉米·巴菲特 T 恤。
And I said, OK, I don't want to work here anymore.
我说，好吧，我不想再在这里工作了。
I hope they fire me.
我希望他们解雇我。
That's the sign that the Antichrist has arrived-- the Jimmy Buffett t-shirts.
这就是反基督者到来的标志——吉米·巴菲特 T 恤。
That's exactly it.
就是这样。
Ira Glass Ida turned in her resignation.
艾拉·格拉斯·艾达递交了辞呈。
Then she looked for other jobs, including one at her first radio stations-- Z-Rock and K-Rock.
然后她寻找其他工作，包括在她的第一个广播电台 Z-Rock 和 K-Rock 工作。
But she decided she couldn't work there when she saw what those jobs would be.
但当她看到这些工作内容时，她决定不能在那里工作。
And I just kind of knew what was going to happen to me was that they'd want me to become somebody that said what they wanted me to say.
我只是知道我身上会发生什么，他们希望我成为一个能说出他们想让我说的话的人。
You know those-- they're called liners in commercial radio, where DJs say stuff like, keep your button set on us.
你知道这些——它们在商业广播中被称为“liner”，DJ 们会说这样的话，“把你的按钮设置在我们身上”。
Wow.
哇。
I didn't know there was a name for that.
我不知道有一个名字。
Yeah, that's called a liner, where they say, like, 20 songs in a row or your money back.
是的，这就是所谓的“衬垫”，他们说，比如，连续播放 20 首歌曲，否则退款。
Stuff like that.
诸如此类的事情。
So really, like, middle of the road-- and these were people who were actually-- maybe 10 years before, they were the most vital and vibrant DJs, and they had just been beaten.
所以真的，就像，中间的人 - 这些人实际上 - 可能在 10 年前，他们是最有活力和活力的 DJ，但他们刚刚被打败了。
They were people who were just absolutely beaten.
他们是彻底被打败的人。
They were reduced to having to say-- I just remember that button one, like, keep your button locked on us.
他们不得不说——我只记得那个按钮，比如，让你的按钮锁定在我们身上。
And every day is a no-repeat day.
并且每一天都是不可重复的一天。
And, we play 20 songs or someone wins $20,000.
而且，我们播放 20 首歌曲，或者有人赢得 20,000 美元。
And, Ida, literally, what would be in front of you as you were on the air?
而且，艾达，从字面上看，当你在广播中时，你面前会发生什么？
Would there be a list of, you're going to play this song, you'll play this song, you'll play this song, you'll play this song?
会有一个列表，你要播放这首歌，你会播放这首歌，你会播放这首歌，你会播放这首歌？
Yeah, it's basically a list.
是的，它基本上是一个列表。
It's a list that says exactly what song comes at what time.
这是一个列表，准确说明了什么歌曲在什么时间播放。
So then, what's the pleasure of being a DJ?
那么，当DJ有什么乐趣呢？
What is the thing that you're doing yourself?
你自己在做什么？
Somebody else has chosen the songs and all of that.
其他人已经选择了歌曲等等。
I don't know why people become DJs.
我不知道为什么人们会成为 DJ。
But I don't think that they look at the room like a really big phone or something really vital or exciting or alive, but more like they look at it like a room.
但我不认为他们把这个房间看作一个非常大的电话或真正重要、令人兴奋或有生命的东西，而更像是他们把它看作一个房间。
You look at the radio station like a really big telephone?
您将广播电台视为一部非常大的电话吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah, I thought of it as a really big phone.
是的，我认为它是一部非常大的手机。
And it was a magic room.
这是一间魔法室。
It was just the most vital room.
这只是最有生命力的房间。
And I really, really liked the listeners.
我真的非常喜欢听众。
All my phones lit up the whole show, and I just basically talked to people.
整个演出我所有的手机都亮着，我基本上只是和人们交谈。
And I'd talk about what people were doing at work.
我会谈论人们在工作中做什么。
I'd talk about what they were eating at lunch.
我会谈论他们午餐吃什么。
People would send me pictures of what they did.
人们会给我发他们所做事情的照片。
And it was this community.
就是这个社区。
And if it was hot and people were working on roofs, I'd have them call up and talk about how hot they were and who's the hottest.
如果天气很热，人们在屋顶上工作，我会让他们打电话告诉他们有多热以及谁是最热的。
And I shouted out songs.
我大声喊出歌曲。
I know it sounds really hokey or stupid or whatever, but you were just making somebody's day.
我知道这听起来很做作或愚蠢之类的，但你只是让某人高兴而已。
And I can't tell you how much I loved that.
我无法告诉你我有多喜欢它。
That's what, I think, breaks my heart the most is I miss that like you wouldn't believe.
我想，最让我心碎的是我怀念那一刻，就像你无法相信的那样。
It's so weird.
太奇怪了。
It's like you were betrayed by radio itself.
就像你被广播本身出卖了一样。
I just so don't want to sound like a bitter person.
我只是不想听起来像个苦毒的人。
And there aren't very many people, if anybody, that understands what I've gone through, which is, I was saying, it's just like an open wound.
没有多少人（如果有的话）能够理解我所经历的事情，我是说，这就像一个开放性的伤口。
Or I am just so heartbroken.
或者我只是心碎了。
This is something that I love so much.
这是我非常喜欢的事情。
And I just don't think that it exists.
我只是不认为它存在。
It's like being in love with somebody that you've never met.
这就像爱上一个你从未见过的人。
It's like some kind of strange situation where I just love this thing, and I don't see it anywhere.
这就像某种奇怪的情况，我只是喜欢这个东西，但我在任何地方都看不到它。
So what are you doing now?
那你现在在做什么？
Ida Hakkila Now?
艾达·哈基拉 现在？
Oh, god.
哦，上帝。
Well, actually, I've been doing a lot of cool things, like being in a band.
嗯，实际上，我做了很多很酷的事情，比如加入乐队。
And I've been writing a lot.
我已经写了很多。
But the real reality of it is that I ran out of money.
但真正的现实是我没钱了。
So I'm answering phones, and I waitressed for a while.
所以我一边接电话，一边当服务员一段时间。
And do you listen to the radio on your job?
你工作时听广播吗？
I actually tuned into some internet stations.
我实际上收听了一些互联网站。
There was a station that I really liked in Calgary that was-- they didn't even play good music, but the people just seemed real.
在卡尔加里有一个我非常喜欢的电台——他们甚至没有播放好听的音乐，但人们看起来很真实。
Wait, you got onto the internet, and you had to search on the internet for a radio station in Calgary?
等等，你上网了，你必须在互联网上搜索卡尔加里的广播电台？
I actually went all over every single thing that they put on Yahoo.
事实上，我仔细检查了他们在雅虎上发布的所有内容。
And I listened to every single station that existed.
我听了所有存在的电台。
Until you found one that you could stand?
直到你找到一个你能忍受的人？
Like, there was nothing in the metropolitan or tri-state area on the actual radio?
就像，实际广播中没有大都市或三州地区的任何内容？
You literally had to pull in a station from another country.
你实际上必须从另一个国家拉进一个电台。
Participating with sister stations KEX Portland, WKRC Cincinnati, and--
与姊妹站 KEX 波特兰、WKRC 辛辛那提以及——
Let's address the issues on the ground that affect the daily lives of the people, people who are being killed or kidnapped or tortured.
让我们解决影响人民、被杀害、绑架或酷刑的人们日常生活的问题。
All of these problems--
所有这些问题——
Act Four, Noble Calling.
第四幕，崇高的召唤。
This is Jose Ramos-Horta on an international news program called Worldview that's broadcast on Chicago's public radio station.
我是芝加哥公共广播电台播出的名为“世界观”的国际新闻节目中的何塞·拉莫斯-奥尔塔。
Horta is an exile from his homeland in East Timor, has spent two decades as the leading international figure denouncing the invasion of his country by Indonesia, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1996 for his efforts to hinder the oppression of a small people.
奥尔塔是东帝汶祖国的流亡者，二十年来一直担任国际知名人物，谴责印度尼西亚对其国家的入侵，并因阻止对小民族的压迫而于 1996 年获得诺贝尔和平奖。
But before his appearance on this radio program, Worldview , he confided in producer Edie Rubinowitz that someday, if peace comes to his country, he has another dream.
但在出现在广播节目“世界观”之前，他向制片人埃迪·鲁比诺维茨吐露，有一天，如果他的国家实现和平，他会有另一个梦想。
He would like to do a radio program himself, one like Howard Stern's.
他想自己制作一个广播节目，就像霍华德·斯特恩的那样。
He's seen Stern's movie, Private Parts , on an airplane.
他在飞机上看过斯特恩的电影《私处》。
We reached Horta at the United Nations offices in Geneva.
我们联系了位于联合国日内瓦办事处的奥尔塔。
That's the kind of radio program I would do in Timor one day.
这就是我有一天会在帝汶做的广播节目。
I probably wouldn't copy off the hair, but his approach is really hilarious, and I enjoy listening to him when I can.
我可能不会模仿他的发型，但他的做法真的很搞笑，只要有机会，我就喜欢听他说话。
Oh, yes.
哦是的。
Yes.
是的。
I heard before-- long before the film came in-- when I was in New York.
我之前就听说过——早在电影上映之前——当时我在纽约。
A few times, I heard it on a taxi, like when you take a taxi somewhere.
有几次，我在出租车上听到过，就像你在某个地方乘坐出租车时一样。
At first, I didn't know what the hell this is, but I noticed the taxi driver would crack up, would laugh.
起初，我不知道这到底是什么，但我注意到出租车司机会大笑。
And then I would join in, so after that, of course, I heard it many times whenever I could, yes.
然后我就会加入，所以在那之后，当然，只要有机会，我就会多次听到它，是的。
Let me play you a little clip from the Howard Stern Show, OK?
让我给你播放一段霍华德·斯特恩秀的小片段，好吗？
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass All right, here we go.
艾拉·格拉斯 好吧，我们开始吧。
This is a clip, he's talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger.
这是一个片段，他在谈论阿诺·施瓦辛格。
So I said, Fred, let's go chase Arnold into the bathroom and tell him how great we think it is that he's doing Conan The Barbarian .
所以我说，弗雷德，我们去把阿诺德追进浴室，告诉他我们认为他演《野蛮人柯南》有多棒。
We went in there and he's like, "What?" [FART NOISES] "Hey, boys." [FART NOISES] "Hey, boys, please.
我们进去了，他说：“什么？” [放屁声]“嘿，孩子们。” [放屁声]“嘿，孩子们，求你了。
Thank you so much for nice compliment, but please." [FART NOISES]
非常感谢你的夸奖，但是请。” [放屁声]
"Sorry to bother you, Arnold." "That's OK, boys."
“很抱歉打扰你，阿诺德。” “没关系，孩子们。”
Yeah.
是的。
Something tells me he gets a little thing on the side going with some girls.
我感觉他和一些女孩在一起时有一些小事。
Oh, here we go.
哦，我们开始吧。
Howard Stern I'm tellling you.
霍华德·斯特恩 我告诉你。
"Jamie Lee, that was a good strip."
“杰米·李，那是一部很好的脱衣舞。”
"That was very nice.
“那太好了。
Now, let's go practice in private.
现在，我们私下练习一下吧。
Come here, Rosanne."
过来，罗珊。”
So can you imagine that your own radio program in East Timor would go in this kind of direction?
那么你能想象你自己在东帝汶的广播节目会朝这个方向发展吗？
[LAUGHTER] Jose Ramos-horta Well, I don't know whether I can afford to be exactly like that.
[笑声] Jose Ramos-horta 嗯，我不知道我是否能承受那样的后果。
Well, they would get me off the air right away.
好吧，他们会立即让我停止广播。
But it is entertaining.
但这很有趣。
When you imagine what you'd like to do on your radio show, what would you like to do?
当您想象您想在广播节目中做什么时，您想做什么？
The kind of program, the kind of show that would not take people too seriously, like government leaders, politicians.
这种节目、那种节目不会太严肃地对待人们，比如政府领导人、政客。
When you describe it that way, it makes it sound like you'd have mostly a political show.
当你这样描述时，听起来就像是一场政治表演。
You saw in Howard Stern's movie, Private Parts , he has, like, naked ladies in the studio.
你在霍华德·斯特恩的电影《私处》中看到，他在演播室里有裸体女士。
Would you do that?
你会这么做吗？
In our society, in our country, no, I couldn't do that.
在我们的社会，在我们的国家，不，我不能那样做。
I don't think you'd find too many women in the Third World that would do that.
我认为在第三世界你不会发现太多女性会这样做。
You have to take into consideration that in certain countries, there are certain things that people are not yet prepared to listen.
你必须考虑到，在某些国家，人们还没有准备好倾听某些事情。
For instance, if I were to talk about sex the same way Howard Stern Show talks, the bishop would excommunicate me right away.
例如，如果我像霍华德·斯特恩秀那样谈论性，主教会立即将我逐出教会。
Yes, and I should say, you won the Nobel Peace Prize-- it was a co-award, you and an archbishop.
是的，我应该说，你赢得了诺贝尔和平奖——这是你和一位大主教共同获奖的。
Yeah.
是的。
Bishop Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo is an outstanding, courageous individual.
卡洛斯·菲利佩·西梅内斯·贝洛主教是一位杰出、勇敢的人。
And I don't think he would appreciate very much if I were to have a radio program exactly similar to Howard Stern when it comes to discussing sex.
如果我有一个与霍华德·斯特恩在讨论性方面完全相同的广播节目，我认为他不会很欣赏。
And let me ask you to explain, what's so appealing to you about Howard Stern?
让我请你解释一下，霍华德·斯特恩对你如此有吸引力的地方是什么？
Well, he challenges all the hypocrisy, the snobism, the double standards.
好吧，他挑战所有的虚伪、势利和双重标准。
He says things, he does things that most people would want to do and to say but that they don't dare.
他说的话、做的事情是大多数人想做和说但他们不敢的。
You know, when you describe his program the way you do, it sounds that, in a way, it's almost a diplomat's dream.
你知道，当你以你的方式描述他的计划时，听起来，在某种程度上，这几乎是外交官的梦想。
A diplomat can't usually say exactly what's on their mind, and here, you have a radio personality who gets to say exactly what he wants.
外交官通常不能准确地说出他们的想法，而在这里，你有一位广播名人可以准确地说出他想要说什么。
Exactly.
确切地。
Many diplomats feel like I do.
许多外交官和我有一样的感觉。
You get frustrated with all this posturing at the United Nations.
你对联合国的所有这些姿态感到沮丧。
And sometimes, I lose my temper and I tell some people what I actually think of them.
有时，我会发脾气并告诉一些人我对他们的真实想法。
And if I were not constrained by the delicate work I do, if I were to have my own radio program, I tell you, I would be almost exactly like Howard Stern.
如果我没有受到我所做的精细工作的限制，如果我有自己的广播节目，我告诉你，我几乎就像霍华德·斯特恩一样。
I don't believe it.
我不相信。
Woman I think that Mark has a radar in his pants for money.
女人 我认为马克对金钱有着敏锐的洞察力。
Yep.
是的。
Ira Glass Do you think there are many members of the diplomatic corps who listen to Howard Stern and are fans?
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass）：您认为外交使团中有很多成员是霍华德·斯特恩的听众并且是他的粉丝吗？
Oh, yes, yes.
哦，是的，是的。
People have fun.
人们玩得很开心。
They enjoy it.
他们很享受。
Most of them feel, well, that's exactly what I would like to say myself.
他们中的大多数人都觉得，这正是我自己想说的。
And if only I could have a job where I were able to speak honestly like this.
如果我能有一份能够像这样诚实说话的工作就好了。
Exactly.
确切地。
Yes, yes.
是的，是的。
Ira Glass Now, over the last few weeks, knowing that we were going to do this interview, we've been trying to arrange to get you onto The Howard Stern Show so you could take a look firsthand at your potential new career.
艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 现在，在过去的几周里，知道我们要进行这次采访，我们一直在努力安排您参加霍华德·斯特恩秀，以便您可以亲眼目睹您潜在的新职业。
And we haven't been successful so far.
到目前为止我们还没有成功。
And I understand that at one point, you were in contact with them.
我知道您曾经与他们有过联系。
You called them up.
你给他们打电话了。
Yeah.
是的。
Ira Glass Can you tell me what happened?
艾拉·格拉斯 你能告诉我发生了什么事吗？
Well, first, the lady had no idea what I was talking about.
嗯，首先，这位女士不知道我在说什么。
I told her East Timor.
我告诉她东帝汶。
She said, East what?
她说，东什么？
She probably thought I was calling from the East Side in New York.
她可能以为我是从纽约东区打来的。
After, I tried to explain-- she even didn't know what the Nobel Peace Prize is all about.
后来我试图解释——她甚至不知道诺贝尔和平奖是怎么回事。
She had never heard of the Nobel Peace Prize?
她从来没有听说过诺贝尔和平奖？
No. and then she pass on to the editors or the producer, whoever.
不，然后她将问题转交给编辑或制片人，无论是谁。
And they say they don't know what you're talking about.
他们说他们不知道你在说什么。
Yeah.
是的。
I'm going to play you one more clip.
我要再给你播放一个片段。
This is also from The Howard Stern Show.
这也是来自霍华德·斯特恩秀。
I'm interested in the porno cruise contest.
我对色情巡游比赛很感兴趣。
All right, listen.
好吧，听着。
This is the ultimate prize.
这是最终的奖品。
It's a porno cruise.
这是一次色情巡游。
It's like 70 hot chicks who are going to be naked the entire time, filming porno.
这就像 70 个辣妹将一直裸体拍摄色情片。
They're going to be poolside.
他们将在泳池边。
It's a cruise, a legitimate cruise, and we've got two tickets to give away.
这是一次游轮，一次合法的游轮，我们有两张船票可以赠送。
In other words, they're having a cruise, and it's going to be all porno actresses.
换句话说，他们正在进行一次巡游，而且全都是色情女演员。
And they're giving away tickets to it.
他们正在赠送门票。
No, I think it's real.
不，我认为这是真的。
Jose Ramos-horta It's real?
何塞·拉莫斯-奥尔塔 这是真的吗？
I think it's real.
我认为这是真的。
Jose Ramos-horta Well, OK, if it's a joke to joke people, I would.
Jose Ramos-horta 好吧，如果这是开玩笑，我会的。
Many, many years ago, when I was a journalist back in Timor, on April Fools Day, I ran a story saying that a Swedish cruise vessel had ran aground not far from the capital, and there were many blond, nice, Swedish women around.
很多很多年前，当我在东帝汶当记者时，愚人节那天，我发表了一篇报道，说一艘瑞典游轮在离首都不远的地方搁浅，周围有很多金发碧眼、漂亮的瑞典女人。
And I tell you, everybody, including some very respectable men, they all rushed there.
我告诉你，每个人，包括一些非常受人尊敬的人，他们都冲到了那里。
And all there was when they got there, there I was, waiting for them.
当他们到达那里时，我就在那里等着他们。
There was no boat, no Swedish women.
没有船，也没有瑞典妇女。
You were ahead of your time.
你领先于你的时代。
Jose Ramos-horta Thank you.
何塞·拉莫斯-奥尔塔 谢谢。
In a certain way-- you're trying to get freedom for your homeland-- do you view this kind of speech, which, I have to say, Howard Stern is often criticized here in the States for the things he says and the way he is.
从某种意义上说——你正在努力为你的祖国争取自由——你是否看待这种言论？我不得不说，霍华德·斯特恩在美国经常因为他所说的话和他的行事方式而受到批评。
Do you view this as being, in a certain way, what freedom is all about?
从某种意义上来说，你认为这就是自由吗？
Yes, obviously, that is freedom.
是的，显然，这就是自由。
It is irreverent, but it is freedom.
这是不敬的，但却是自由。
It is honesty.
这是诚实。
And that's why it is so popular and many people hate him because of that.
这就是为什么它如此受欢迎，很多人因此讨厌他。
But he should, in fact, receive a medal of freedom for what he's doing.
但事实上，他应该因其所做的事情而获得自由勋章。
Jose Ramos-Horta in Geneva.
何塞·拉莫斯-奥尔塔在日内瓦。
Credits Ira Glass Well, our hundredth addition of This American Life was produced by Julie Snyder and myself with Alix Spiegel and Nancy Updike, senior editor Paul Tough, contributing editors Jack Hitt, Margy Rochlin, and Consigliere Sarah Vowell.
感谢艾拉·格拉斯（Ira Glass） 嗯，《美国生活》的第一百部补充作品由朱莉·斯奈德（Julie Snyder）和我本人、阿利克斯·斯皮格尔（Alix Spiegel）和南希·厄普代克（Nancy Updike）、高级编辑保罗·托夫（Paul Tough）、特约编辑杰克·希特（Jack Hitt）、玛吉·罗克林（Margy Rochlin）和顾问莎拉·沃威尔（Consigliere Sarah Vowell）制作。
Production help from Laura Doggett and [?
劳拉·道吉特 (Laura Doggett) 和 [?
Sahini ?] Davenport.
萨希尼？]达文波特。
[ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS] To buy a cassette of this or any of our 100 shows, call us at WBEZ here in Chicago.
[鸣谢] 要购买本节目或我们 100 场演出中任何一场的磁带，请致电芝加哥的 WBEZ。
312-832-3380.
312-832-3380。
This American Life is distributed by Public Radio International.
《美国生活》由国际公共广播电台发行。
[FUNDING CREDITS] WBEZ management oversight by Torey Malatia, who has issued new orders for how I'm supposed to do the show from now on.
[资金来源] WBEZ 管理由 Torey Malatia 负责监督，他对我从现在开始应该如何进行演出发出了新命令。
"Could you sound more, I don't know, like a dominatrix?"
“我不知道，你能听起来更像一个施虐狂吗？”
I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life .
我是艾拉·格拉斯，下周回来，带来更多《美国生活》的故事。
This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange.
《This American Life》与 WBEZ Chicago 合作制作，并由 PRX 公共广播电台传送到各电台。