Shirley Sherrod - Speech at the Georgia NAACP 20th Freedom Fund Banquet | shirleysherrodnaacpfreedom
Address at the Georgia NAACP 20th Annual Freedom Fund Banquet
在佐治亚州全国有色人种协进会第 20 届年度自由基金宴会上的讲话
[AUTHENTICITY CERTIFIED: Text version below transcribed directly from audio.] Good evening.
[真实性认证：下面的文本版本直接从音频转录。] 晚上好。
Olivia, I want to thank you for those kind words.
奥利维亚，我要感谢你的善意之言。
You know, it's been a pleasure working with her over the last 10 years.
你知道，过去十年来与她合作非常愉快。
I've missed the work.
我已经错过了工作。
[I] had to move on to some other -- other work, and I'll talk to you more about that.
[我]必须继续从事其他工作，我将与您详细讨论这一点。
To the president of the NAACP, here, and the board of directors, and members, and all the others here, it is indeed a pleasure for me to be with you this evening.
对于在座的全国有色人种协进会主席、董事会、成员以及在座的所有其他人，我确实很高兴今晚与你们在一起。
And I want to say to you, I am very proud to be working with the Obama Administration to help rural America's welfare.
我想对你们说，我非常自豪能够与奥巴马政府合作，帮助改善美国农村的福利。
I want to do all I can to help rural communities such as yours to be a place where we can have a quality life and a comfortable life for our families and our friends.
我想尽我所能帮助像你们这样的农村社区，让我们的家人和朋友过上优质的生活和舒适的生活。
But before I give you -- even before I -- I go into what I have here, I want to -- I want to second something that Olivia said.
但在我给你之前——甚至在我——我要谈谈我这里所拥有的东西之前，我想——我想赞同奥利维亚所说的一些话。
You know, I grew up on the farm and I didn't want to have anything to do with agriculture, but she was right.
你知道，我在农场长大，我不想与农业有任何关系，但她是对的。
There are jobs at USDA , and many times there are no people of color to fill those jobs 'cause we shy away from agriculture.
美国农业部有工作岗位，但很多时候没有有色人种来填补这些工作岗位，因为我们回避农业。
We hear the word "agriculture" and think only of working in the fields.
我们听到“农业”这个词，只想到在田里干活。
And you've heard of a lot of layoffs.
你听说过很多裁员的消息。
Have you heard of anybody in the federal government losing their job?
您听说过联邦政府中有人失业吗？
That's all that I need to say, okay?
这就是我要说的一切，好吗？
And I -- I might say a little bit more to the young people.
我——我可能会对年轻人多说一点。
It's good to have you all here.
很高兴你们都在这里。
I want to share something with you this evening, something that's always heavy on my heart each day, but especially at this time of the year.
今晚我想与大家分享一些每天都让我心头沉重的事情，尤其是在每年的这个时候。
It was 45 years ago today that my father's funeral was held.
45年前的今天，我父亲的葬礼举行了。
I was a young girl at the age of 17 when my father was murdered by a white man in Baker County .
当我 17 岁的时候，我还是个小女孩，我的父亲在贝克县被一名白人谋杀。
In Baker County, the murder of black people occurred periodically, and in every case the white men who murdered them were never punished.
在贝克县，黑人被谋杀的事件时有发生，而在每一起案件中，谋杀他们的白人都从未受到惩罚。
It was no different in my father's case.
我父亲的情况也不例外。
There were three witnesses to his murder, but the grand jury refused to indict the white man who murdered him.
他的谋杀案有三名目击者，但大陪审团拒绝起诉谋杀他的白人。
I should tell you a little about Baker County.
我应该告诉你一些关于贝克县的事情。
In case you don't know where it is, it's located less than 20 miles southwest of Albany .
如果您不知道它在哪里，它位于奥尔巴尼西南不到 20 英里处。
Now, there were two sheriffs from Baker County that -- whose names you probably never heard but I know in the case of one, the thing he did many, many years ago still affect us today.
现在，有两位来自贝克县的警长——你可能从未听说过他们的名字，但我知道其中一位警长，他很多年前所做的事情今天仍然影响着我们。
And that sheriff was Claude Screws.
那个警长就是克劳德·螺丝钉。
Claude Screws lynched a black man.
克劳德·螺丝钉私刑处死了一名黑人。
And this was at the beginning of the 40s.
那是在20世纪40年代初。
And the strange thing back then was an all-white federal jury convicted him not of murder but of depriving Bobby Hall -- and I should say that Bobby Hall was a relative -- depriving him of his civil rights.
当时奇怪的事情是，全白人联邦陪审团判定他不是谋杀罪，而是剥夺了鲍比·霍尔——我应该说鲍比·霍尔是他的亲戚——剥夺了他的公民权利。
So, in the opinion, when the justice wrote his opinion and justifying overturning the conviction, he said you had to prove that as the sheriff was murdering Bobby Hall he was thinking of depriving him of his civil rights.
因此，在意见中，当法官写下他的意见并证明推翻定罪的合理性时，他说你必须证明，当警长谋杀鲍比·霍尔时，他正在考虑剥夺他的公民权利。
That's where the whole issue of proving intent came from and you heard it a lot.
这就是证明意图的整个问题的由来，你已经听过很多次了。
It was used a lot during the Civil Rights Movement.
它在民权运动期间被大量使用。
What you also heard a lot when Rodney King was beaten out in California.
当罗德尼·金在加利福尼亚州被击败时，你也听到了很多。
Y'all might remember that.
你们可能还记得这一点。
They kept saying you had to prove intent -- and that came from Screws vs. the U.S. Government .
他们一直说你必须证明意图——这来自螺丝钉诉美国政府案。
I'm told that case is studied by every law student.
我听说每个法学院的学生都会研究这个案例。
And usually when we have people coming into Southwest Georgia, and wanting to take some tours of -- of things were some events happened during the Civil Rights Movement, I usually take them to the courthouse in Newton to show where Bobby's Hall's body was displayed.
通常，当我们有人来到佐治亚州西南部，想要参观一些民权运动期间发生的事件时，我通常会带他们去牛顿的法院，看看鲍比·霍尔的尸体被展示的地方。
During my years of growing up, the sheriff was L.
在我成长的岁月里，警长是L.
Warren Johnson.
沃伦·约翰逊。
He wanted to be called "The Gator," and that's how people referred to him 'cause he had a holler that would make you want to tremble.
他想被称为“鳄鱼”，人们就是这样称呼他的，因为他的叫声会让你颤抖。
He also killed a lot of black people -- and Gator Johnson was the law in Baker County.
他还杀害了很多黑人——而加托·约翰逊就是贝克县的法律。
And when I say that I mean no one, black or white, could ride through the County with an out-of-county tag.
当我这么说时，我的意思是，任何人，无论是黑人还是白人，都可以带着县外标签骑行穿过该县。
That means you could have a tag from anywhere else in Georgia -- you couldn't ride through Baker County without being stopped.
这意味着您可以从佐治亚州其他任何地方获得标签——您无法骑车穿过贝克县而不被拦住。
And the Atlanta [Journal]-Constitution reported at one point that his take on the road was at least 150,000 dollars a year -- and that was during the 60s.
《亚特兰大宪法报》曾报道称，他在路上的收入每年至少为 15 万美元——那是在 20 世纪 60 年代。
My father was a farmer.
我的父亲是一名农民。
And growing up on the farm, my dream was to get as far away from the farm and Baker County as I could get.
在农场长大的我的梦想是尽可能远离农场和贝克县。
And picking cotton, picking cucumbers, shaking peanuts for a little while before they, you know...
摘棉花、摘黄瓜、摇晃花生，然后才出现，你知道……
-- the older folk know what I'm talking about -- when you had to shake them and take them up to the pole [ph] and...put them around that, you know -- doing all that work on the farm, it will make you get an education more than anything else.
- 年长的人知道我在说什么 - 当你不得不摇动他们并将他们带到柱子上时......把他们放在柱子周围，你知道 - 在农场做所有这些工作，这将使你比其他任何事情都更能获得教育。
But I didn't want to just get an education.
但我不想仅仅接受教育。
I wanted to leave the farm and Baker County.
我想离开农场和贝克县。
It was -- life was -- the older folk know what I'm talking about -- the segregation and the discrimination and the -- and the racist acts that we had to endure during those years made me just want to leave.
那是——生活是——老年人知道我在说什么——种族隔离、歧视和——那些年我们不得不忍受的种族主义行为让我只想离开。
And you know, we used to have people who'd leave and go north -- you all know how they come back talking and they come back looking.
你知道，我们曾经有人离开并北上——你们都知道他们如何回来说话，如何回来寻找。
I learned later that some of those cars they drove home were rented.
后来我才知道，他们开回家的车有一些是租来的。
But it made you want to go north, 'cause you thought they were free up there and you thought everybody was free in the North.
但这让你想去北方，因为你认为那里的人是自由的，你认为北方的每个人都是自由的。
So, my goal was not to even go to college in the South 'cause I, you know, I was always you find your husband at college.
所以，我的目标甚至不是去南方上大学，因为我，你知道，我总是在大学里找到你的丈夫。
So, I didn't want to find one living in the South.
所以，我不想找一个住在南方的人。
I wanted to go to college in the North so I could get a husband from the North, never ever come back down here and live again.
我想去北方上大学，这样我就可以找到一个来自北方的丈夫，再也不会回到这里生活了。
But, you know, you can never say what you'll never do.
但是，你知道，你永远不能说你永远不会做的事情。
And it was during March, my senior year in high school.
那是在三月份，我高中四年级。
I mean my father was just everything to us.
我的意思是我的父亲对我们来说就是一切。
I had four sisters -- I'm the oldest.
我有四个姐妹——我是最大的。
My mother -- there are six of us, but my father wanted a son so bad.
我的母亲——我们有六个人，但我的父亲非常想要一个儿子。
We were all girls.
我们都是女孩。
We all had boys' nickname[s].
我们都有男孩的昵称。
I was "Bill." Now, he loved his girls but he wanted a son so bad.
我是“比尔”。现在，他爱他的女儿们，但他非常想要一个儿子。
And when my sister was about -- my youngest sister was eight, he convinced my mother to try one more time for this boy.
当我妹妹即将——我最小的妹妹八岁的时候，他说服我母亲再为这个男孩尝试一次。
So, to my surprise -- my senior year of high school -- I thought my mother was just sick.
所以，令我惊讶的是——在我高中四年级——我以为我母亲只是病了。
I didn't know what was wrong with her, you know, really worried.
我不知道她出了什么问题，你知道，真的很担心。
And one day my best friend at school said, "How's your mama doing?" I said, "She just doesn't seem to be getting any better." She said, "Girl, your daddy was up at the store yesterday giving out cigars.
有一天，我在学校最好的朋友问：“你妈妈怎么样？”我说：“她的情况似乎没有任何好转。”她说：“女孩，你爸爸昨天在商店里分发雪茄。
Your mama [is] going to have a baby." He told everyone that that baby was the son.
你妈妈要生孩子了。”他告诉大家，那个婴儿就是儿子。
And he was, in fact, having a new home built.
事实上，他正在建造一座新家。
He was the first person to get a loan on his own to build a house.
他是第一个自己贷款建房的人。
He wanted to build a brick house so bad, but they told him a black man could not borrow money to build a brick house.
他非常想盖一栋砖房，但他们告诉他黑人不能借钱建砖房。
They had to choose blocks, you know.
你知道，他们必须选择区块。
So -- and this new house that was being built -- there were five daughters -- there was this one room that was the boys' room -- his son's room.
所以 - 这座正在建造的新房子 - 有五个女儿 - 有一个房间是男孩的房间 - 他儿子的房间。
He told everybody it was a boy.
他告诉所有人这是一个男孩。
And, in fact, it was painted blue.
事实上，它被漆成蓝色。
And he came -- he and my mother came to pick me up from school one day early to go to Albany with him to pick the furniture for this boys' room.
然后他来了——他和我妈妈提前一天来接我放学，和他一起去奥尔巴尼为这个男孩的房间挑选家具。
He didn't live to see him.
他没能活着见到他。
My brother was born two months after he died, in June of '65.
我哥哥于 65 年 6 月去世两个月后出生。
We started the Movement .
我们开始了运动。
But before I get there I need to tell you something I -- and I want to say this to the young people.
但在我到达那里之前，我需要告诉你们一些我想对年轻人说的事情。
You know, I told how I looked forward and I dreamt so much about moving north and from the farm, especially in the South, and I knew that after -- on the night of my father's death I felt I had to do something.
你知道，我讲述了我对未来的展望，我非常梦想着从农场搬到北方，尤其是在南方，我知道，在我父亲去世的那天晚上，我觉得我必须做点什么。
I had to do something in answer to what had happened.
我必须做点什么来回应所发生的事情。
My father wasn't the first black person to be killed.
我父亲并不是第一个被杀的黑人。
He was a leader in the community.
他是社区的领导者。
He wasn't the first to be killed by white men in the county.
他并不是该县第一个被白人杀害的人。
But I couldn't just let his death go without doing something in answer to what happened.
但我不能就这样让他的死就这样过去，而不采取任何行动来回应所发生的事情。
I made the commitment on the night of my father's death, at the age of 17, that I would not leave the South, that I would stay in the South and devote my life to working for change.
我在父亲去世的那天晚上，也就是 17 岁的时候做出了承诺，我不会离开南方，我会留在南方，奉献一生为变革而努力。
And I've been true to that commitment all of these 45 years.
45 年来我一直恪守这一承诺。
You know, when you look at some of the things that I've done through the years and when you look at some of things that happened -- I went to school -- my -- my first two years at Fort Valley -- I know there are some Fort Valley graduates here too -- I did my first two years at Fort Valley but so much was happening back at home -- and then I met this man, I'll tell you a little about him -- that I transferred back to Albany State and did the last two years.
你知道，当你看看我这些年来所做的一些事情，当你看看发生的一些事情时——我上学了——我的——我在福特谷的头两年——我知道这里也有一些福特谷的毕业生——我在福特谷读了头两年，但在家里发生了很多事情——然后我遇到了这个人，我会告诉你一些关于他的事情——我转回奥尔巴尼州立大学并做了最后两年。
But two weeks after I went to school at Fort Valley, they called and told me that a bunch of white men had gathered outside of our home and burned the cross one night.
但我去谷堡上学两周后，他们打电话告诉我，一群白人聚集在我们家外面，一天晚上烧毁了十字架。
Now, in the house was my mother, my four sisters, and my brother, who was born June 6 -- and this was September.
现在，房子里有我的母亲、我的四个姐妹和我的兄弟，他出生于 6 月 6 日——现在是 9 月。
That was all in that house that night.
那天晚上那所房子里就只有这些。
Well, my mother and one of my sisters went out on the porch.
好吧，我的母亲和我的一个姐妹走到了门廊上。
My mama had a gun.
我妈妈有一把枪。
Another sister -- you know some of this stuff, it's like movies, some of the stuff that happened through the years -- I won't go into everything.
另一位姐妹——你知道一些这样的事情，就像电影一样，这些年来发生的一些事情——我不会详述一切。
I'll just tell you about this.
我就告诉你这件事。
One of my sisters got on the phone 'cause we had organized the movements starting June of '65, shortly -- not long after my father's death.
我的一个姐妹接到了电话，因为我们从 65 年 6 月开始组织运动，不久——就在我父亲去世后不久。
That's how I met my husband.
就这样我认识了我的丈夫。
He wasn't from the North....He's from up south in Virginia.
他不是来自北方……他来自弗吉尼亚州南部。
But anyway my brother and my sisters got on the phone -- they called other black men in the county.
但无论如何，我的兄弟和姐妹还是打电话了——他们给县里的其他黑人打了电话。
And it wasn't long before they had surrounded these white men.
没过多久，他们就包围了这些白人。
And they had to keep one young man from actually using his gun on one of them.
他们还必须阻止一名年轻人对其中一名男子使用枪。
You probably would have read about it had that happened that night.
如果那晚发生的话，你可能会读到这件事。
But they actually allowed those men to leave.
但他们居然允许那些人离开。
They -- They backed away and allowed them to get out of there.
他们——他们后退并允许他们离开那里。
But I won't go into some of the other stuff that happened that night, but do know that my mother and my sister were out on the porch with a gun, and my mother said, "I see you and I know who you are." She recognized some of them.
但我不会谈论那天晚上发生的其他事情，但我知道我的母亲和我的妹妹拿着枪站在门廊上，我的母亲说：“我看到你，我知道你是谁。”她认出了其中一些人。
She'll tell you that she became the first black elected official in Baker County just 11 years later, and she is still serving you all.
她会告诉你，仅仅 11 年后，她就成为贝克县第一位黑人民选官员，而且她仍在为你们所有人服务。
She's chair of the board of education and she's been serving almost 34 years.
她担任教育委员会主席，已任职近 34 年。
I didn't know how I would go about carrying out the commitment I made that night, but when the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee , [name of individual unclear 14:35] -- he was the one who came to Albany and started the movement there in 1961.
我不知道我将如何履行那天晚上做出的承诺，但是当学生非暴力协调委员会（个人姓名不清楚 14:35）——他是 1961 年来到奥尔巴尼并在那里发起运动的人。
And he stayed.
他留下来了。
You know, a lot of them went into the communities and they worked during the early part of the movement and they left.
你知道，他们中的很多人进入了社区，他们在运动的早期阶段工作，然后就离开了。
But he continued to stay in Southwest Georgia, and we've done a lot of stuff through the years....Some of the things that have happened to us, you probably be on the edge of your seat if I were to tell you about some of them.
但他继续留在佐治亚州西南部，这些年来我们做了很多事情……我们发生了一些事情，如果我告诉你其中一些事情，你可能会坐立不安。
We've been in some very, very dangerous situations through the years, but we continue to work.
多年来，我们一直处于非常非常危险的境地，但我们仍在继续工作。
And, you know God is so good 'cause people like me don't get appointed to positions like State Director of Rural Development.
而且，你知道上帝是如此善良，因为像我这样的人不会被任命为国家农村发展总监这样的职位。
They just don't get these kinds of positions 'cause I've been out there at everywhere grassroots level and I've paid some dues.
他们只是得不到这些职位，因为我去过各个基层，并且付出了一些会费。
But when I...made the commitment years ago I didn't know how -- I didn't...I prayed about it that night and as our house filled with people I was back in one of the bedrooms praying and asking God to show me what I could do.
但是，当我......几年前做出承诺时，我不知道如何 - 我不......那天晚上我为此祈祷，当我们的房子挤满了人时，我回到其中一间卧室祈祷并请求上帝向我展示我能做什么。
I didn't have -- the path wasn't laid out that night.
我没有——那天晚上路径还没有铺设好。
I just made the decision that I would stay and work.
我刚刚决定留下来工作。
And -- And over the years things just happened.
而且——这些年来，事情就这样发生了。
And young people: I just want you to know that when you're true to what God wants you to do the path just opens up -- and things just come to you, you know.
年轻人：我只是想让你们知道，当你们忠于上帝要你们做的事时，道路就会打开——事情就会降临到你们身上，你们知道。
God is good -- I can tell you that.
上帝是良善的——我可以告诉你。
When I made that commitment, I was making that commitment to black people -- and to black people only.
当我做出这一承诺时，我是对黑人做出这一承诺——而且只对黑人做出这一承诺。
But, you know, God will show you things and He'll put things in your path so that -- that you realize that the struggle is really about poor people, you know.
但是，你知道，上帝会向你展示一些事情，他会把事情放在你的道路上，这样你就会意识到，斗争实际上是关于穷人的，你知道。
The first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm, he -- he took a long time talking, but he was trying to show me he was superior to me.
当我第一次面临必须帮助一位白人农民拯救他的农场时，他——他花了很长时间说话，但他试图向我展示他比我优越。
I know what he was doing.
我知道他在做什么。
But he had come to me for help.
但他来找我寻求帮助。
What he didn't know -- while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me -- was I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him.
他不知道的是——当他花那么多时间试图向我展示他比我优秀时——我正在试图决定我要给他多少帮助。
I was struggling with the fact that so many black people have lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land.
我一直在与如此多的黑人失去农田的事实作斗争，而在这里我面临着必须帮助白人拯救他们的土地的问题。
So, I didn't give him the full force of what I could do.
所以，我没有给他我能做的全部力量。
I did enough so that when he -- I -- I assumed the Department of Agriculture had sent him to me, either that or the -- or the Georgia Department of Agriculture.
我做得足够多，以至于当他——我——我以为农业部把他派给我时，要么是农业部，要么是佐治亚州农业部。
And he needed to go back and report that I did try to help him.
他需要回去报告我确实试图帮助他。
So I took him to a white lawyer that we had -- that had...attended some of the training that we had provided, 'cause Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farmer.
所以我带他去找我们的一位白人律师——他……参加了我们提供的一些培训，因为第 12 章破产法刚刚为家庭农场主颁布。
So I figured if I take him to one of them that his own kind would take care of him.
所以我想如果我把他带到其中之一，他的同类就会照顾他。
That's when it was revealed to me that, y'all, it's about poor versus those who have, and not so much about white -- it is about white and black, but it's not -- you know, it opened my eyes, 'cause I took him to one of his own and I put him in his hand, and felt okay, I've done my job.
就在那时，我得知，你们大家，这是关于穷人与那些有钱人的关系，而不是关于白人——这是关于白人和黑人，但它不是——你知道，它打开了我的眼睛，因为我把他带到了他自己的一个地方，我把他放在他的手里，感觉很好，我已经完成了我的工作。
But, during that time we would have these injunctions against the Department of Agriculture and -- so, they couldn't foreclose on him.
但是，在那段时间里，我们会对农业部发出这些禁令，因此，他们不能取消他的赎回权。
And I want you to know that the county supervisor had done something to him that I have not seen yet that they've done to any other farmer, black or white.
我想让你知道，县主管对他做了一些我还没有见过的事情，他们对任何其他农民做过，无论是黑人还是白人。
And what they did to him caused him to not be able to file Chapter 12 bankruptcy.
他们对他所做的事导致他无法根据第 12 章破产法申请破产。
So, everything was going along fine -- I'm thinking he's being taken care of by the white lawyer and then they lifted the injunction against USDA in May of '87 for two weeks and he was one of 13 farmers in Georgia who received a foreclosure notice.
所以，一切都很顺利——我想他正在受到白人律师的照顾，然后他们在 87 年 5 月解除了针对美国农业部的禁令，为期两周，他是佐治亚州收到止赎通知的 13 名农民之一。
He called me.
他打电话给我。
I said, "Well, go on and make an appointment at the lawyer.
我说：“好吧，去预约律师吧。
Let me know when it is and I'll meet you there."
请告诉我具体时间，我会在那里与你会面。”
So we met at the lawyer's office on -- on the day they had given him.
所以我们在律师办公室见面——就在他们给他的那天。
And this lawyer sat there -- he had been paying this lawyer, y'all.
这位律师坐在那里——你们大家，他一直在付钱给这位律师。
That's what got me.
这就是吸引我的原因。
He had been paying the lawyer since November, and this was May.
他从十一月起就开始付律师费，而现在是五月。
And the lawyer sat there and looked at him and said, "Well, y'all are getting old.
律师坐在那里看着他说：“好吧，你们都老了。
Why don't you just let the farm go?" I could not believe he said that, so I said to the lawyer -- I told him, "I can't believe you said that." I said, "It's obvious to me if he cannot file a Chapter 12 bankruptcy to -- to stop this foreclosure, you have to file an 11.
你为什么不把农场放走呢？”我不敢相信他这么说，所以我对律师说——我告诉他，“我不敢相信你这么说。”我说：“对我来说很明显，如果他不能根据第 12 章破产法申请破产，那么为了阻止这种丧失抵押品赎回权的行为，你必须申请第 11 章破产法。
And the lawyer said to me, "I'll do whatever you say....whatever you think" -- that's the way he put it.
律师对我说：“我会照你说的去做......无论你怎么想”——这就是他的说法。
But he's paying him.
但他付钱给他。
He wasn't paying me any money, you know.
你知道，他没有付给我任何钱。
So he said -- the lawyer said -- he would work on it.
所以他说——律师说——他会努力解决这个问题。
And then, about seven days before that land would have been sold at the courthouse steps, the farmer called me and said the lawyer wasn't doing anything.
然后，大约在法院台阶上出售土地的前 7 天，农民打电话给我，说律师没有做任何事情。
And that's when I spent time there in my office calling everybody I could think of to try to see -- help me find the lawyer who would handle this.
就在那时，我在办公室里给所有我能想到的人打电话，希望能帮我找到能处理这件事的律师。
And finally, I remembered that I had gone to see one just 40 miles away in Americus with the black farmers.
最后，我记起我和黑人农民一起去 40 英里外的阿梅里克斯看望了。
So, I --
所以，我——
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Well, working with him made me see that it's really about those who have versus those who don't, you know.
好吧，与他一起工作让我明白，这实际上是关于那些拥有者与那些没有者的问题，你知道。
And they could be black, and they could be white; they could be Hispanic.
它们可以是黑色的，也可以是白色的；他们可能是西班牙裔。
And it made me realize then that I needed to work to help poor people -- those who don't have access the way others have.
这让我意识到我需要努力帮助穷人——那些无法像其他人那样获得帮助的人。
I want to just share something with you and...I think it helps to -- it -- you know, when I learned this, I'm like, "Oh, my goodness." You know, back in the late 17th and 18th century, black -- there were black indentured servants and white indentured servants, and they all would work for the seven years and -- and get their freedom.
我想与你分享一些东西......我认为这有帮助 - 它 - 你知道，当我了解到这一点时，我就像，“哦，天哪。”你知道，早在 17 世纪末和 18 世纪，黑人——有黑人契约仆人和白人契约仆人，他们都会工作七年——然后获得自由。
And they didn't see any difference in each other.
而且他们并没有看出彼此有什么不同。
Nobody worried about skin color.
没有人担心肤色。
They married each other, you know.
他们结婚了，你知道的。
These were poor whites and poor blacks in the same boat, except they were slaves.
他们是同一条船上的贫穷白人和贫穷黑人，只不过他们是奴隶。
But they were both slaves and both had their opportunity to work out on the slavery.
但他们都是奴隶，都有机会摆脱奴隶制。
But then they started looking at the injustices that they faced and started then trying -- you know, the people with money -- you know, they started -- the...poor whites and poor blacks who were -- they -- you know, they married each other.
但后来他们开始审视他们所面临的不公正现象，并开始尝试——你知道，有钱的人——你知道，他们开始——……贫穷的白人和贫穷的黑人——他们——你知道，他们互相结婚。
They lived together.
他们住在一起。
They were just like we would be.
他们就像我们一样。
And they started looking at what was happening to them and decided we need to do something about it -- you know, about this.
他们开始关注发生在他们身上的事情，并决定我们需要对此采取一些措施——你知道，对此。
Well, the people with money, the elite, decided, "Hey, we need to do something here to divide them."
好吧，有钱的人，精英，决定，“嘿，我们需要在这里做点什么来划分他们。”
So that's when they made black people servants for life.
就在那时，他们让黑人成为终身仆人。
That's when they put laws in place forbidding them to marry each other.
那时他们制定了法律，禁止他们互相结婚。
That's when they created the racism that we know of today.
就在那时，他们创造了我们今天所知的种族主义。
They did it to keep us divided.
他们这样做是为了让我们分裂。
And they -- it started working so well, they said, "Gosh, looks like we've come up on something here that can last generations." And here we are over 400 years later, and it's still working.
他们——它开始运作得很好，他们说，“天哪，看起来我们在这里想出了一些可以持续几代人的东西。” 400 多年后的今天，它仍然有效。
What we have to do is get that out of our heads.
我们要做的就是把它从我们的脑海中抹去。
There is no difference between us.
我们之间没有区别。
The only difference is that the folks with money want to stay in power and, whether it's health care or whatever it is, they'll do what they need to do to keep that power, you know.
唯一的区别是，有钱人想要继续掌权，无论是医疗保健还是其他什么，他们都会做他们需要做的事情来保持权力，你知道。
It's always about money, y'all.
一切总是与钱有关，你们大家。
You know, I haven't seen such a mean-spirited people as I've seen lately over this issue of health care.
你知道，在医疗保健问题上，我还没有见过像最近这样卑鄙的人。
Some of the racism we thought was buried.
我们认为一些种族主义已经被埋葬了。
Didn't it surface?
没有浮现出来吗？
Now, we endured eight years of the Bush's and we didn't do the stuff these Republicans are doing because you have a black President.
现在，我们经历了布什执政的八年，我们没有做这些共和党人正在做的事情，因为你有一位黑人总统。
I wanted to give you that little history, especially the young people.
我想向你们介绍一些历史，尤其是年轻人。
I want you to know they created it, you know, not just for us.
我想让你知道他们创造了它，你知道，不仅仅是为了我们。
But we got the brunt of it 'cause they needed to elevate what is just a little higher than us to make them think that we're so much better, and then we -- they would never work with us, you know, to try to change the situation that they were all in.
但我们首当其冲，因为他们需要提升比我们高一点点的水平，让他们认为我们要好得多，然后我们——他们永远不会与我们合作，你知道，试图改变他们所处的处境。
But where am I going with this?
但我该去哪里呢？
You know, I couldn't say 45 years ago -- I couldn't stand here and say what I'm saying -- what I will say to you tonight.
你知道，45 年前我无法说出——我无法站在这里说出我正在说的话——今晚我要对你们说的话。
Like I told you, God helped me to see that it's not just about black people -- it's about poor people.
就像我告诉过你的那样，上帝帮助我认识到这不仅仅是关于黑人——而是关于穷人。
And I've come a long way.
我已经走了很长的路。
I knew that I couldn't live with hate, you know.
我知道我不能忍受仇恨，你知道。
As my mother has said to so many, "If we had tried to live with hate in our hearts, we'd probably be dead now."
正如我母亲对很多人说过的那样：“如果我们试图带着仇恨生活，我们现在可能已经死了。”
But I've come to realize that we have to work together and -- you know, it's sad that we don't have a room full of white and blacks here tonight, 'cause we have to overcome the divisions that we have.
但我开始意识到我们必须共同努力——你知道，令人遗憾的是我们今晚没有一个充满白人和黑人的房间，因为我们必须克服我们所存在的分歧。
We have to get to the point where, as Tony Morrison said, "Race exists but it doesn't matter." We have to work just as hard.
正如托尼·莫里森所说，我们必须达到这样的程度：“种族存在，但并不重要。”我们必须同样努力工作。
I know it's -- you know, that division is still here, but our communities are not going to thrive -- you know, our children won't have the -- the communities that they need to be able to stay in and live in and -- and have a good life if we can't figure this out, you all.
我知道——你知道，这种分裂仍然存在，但我们的社区不会繁荣——你知道，我们的孩子将无法拥有——他们需要能够留在其中、生活在其中的社区——如果我们不能解决这个问题，我们就无法过上美好的生活。
White people, black people, Hispanic people, we all have to do our part to make our communities a safe place, a healthy place, a good environment.
白人、黑人、西班牙裔人，我们都必须尽自己的一份力量，使我们的社区成为一个安全的地方、一个健康的地方、一个良好的环境。
You know so that companies -- why would a company want to locate in some of these places?
你知道公司——为什么公司想要在其中一些地方落户？
You know, I...
你知道，我...
-- it's so sad that, as I go around the State, people ask me, "Where are you from?" "Yeah, I'm living in Albany." "Oh, a lot of crime they're in." You know, nothing good you could say too much about Albany anymore, and...a lot of it is brought on by folks who live there, you know?
——令人悲伤的是，当我在全州各地走动时，人们问我：“你来自哪里？” “是的，我住在奥尔巴尼。” “哦，他们参与了很多犯罪活动。”你知道，关于奥尔巴尼，你再也不能说太多了，而且……很多都是由住在那里的人们带来的，你知道吗？
People who live there.
住在那里的人。
You read the paper -- If you read the paper and listen to the TV station there in Albany, you wouldn't want to go there and live.
你读报纸——如果你读报纸并收听奥尔巴尼的电视台，你就不会想去那里生活。
You know, people are still fighting each other -- worse, I believe, now.
你知道，人们仍在互相争斗——我相信，现在情况更糟。
Least it was open during the Civil Rights Movement.
至少在民权运动期间它是开放的。
It was a lick here and there -- and my husband got in the brunt of a lot of them.
到处都是舔舐——我丈夫首当其冲。
But now it's...really in such a way that it hurts 'cause it's going to keep the jobs away.
但现在……真的让人很痛苦，因为它会剥夺工作机会。
You know, you can go to a community and you can just about tell -- and I'm travelling all around where people work together, you know.
你知道，你可以去一个社区，你就可以知道——我正在到处旅行，你知道，人们在一起工作。
You're not losing this many jobs.
你不会失去这么多工作。
You're getting a few.
你得到了一些。
You know, we have a beautiful country.
你知道，我们有一个美丽的国家。
We have a beautiful part of this State -- the southern part of this State -- but it's not thriving.
我们这个州有一个美丽的地方——这个州的南部——但它并不繁荣。
And we need to figure out why.
我们需要找出原因。
Well, we kind of know, but we need to work on why.
好吧，我们有点知道，但我们需要研究原因。
And -- And young folks, you know when I was growing up, you had to get home from school and go to the fields.
而且——年轻人，你们知道，在我成长的过程中，你们必须放学回家，到田里去。
But y'all don't have to do that no more.
但你们不必再这样做了。
You should be excelling, you know.
你应该表现出色，你知道的。
Parents, you've got to set some goals for your children, you know.
父母们，你们必须为你们的孩子设定一些目标，你知道。
You cannot allow them not to try to become the best they could be, and not study....you know.
你不能允许他们不努力成为最好的自己，不学习……你知道的。
Y'all must love working in the chicken house.
你们一定很喜欢在鸡舍里工作。
(I know they closed for one year.)
（我知道他们关门了一年。）
But change has to start with us and...somehow we've got to make the other side of town work with us.
但改变必须从我们开始……我们必须以某种方式让城镇的另一边与我们合作。
We've got to make our communities what they need to be and our young people, I'm not picking on you, but you got to, but y'all got to...step up to the plate.
我们必须让我们的社区成为他们需要的样子，而我们的年轻人，我不是在挑剔你们，但你们必须这样做，但你们都必须……挺身而出。
You've got to step up to the plate.
你必须站起来。
You are capable of being very, very smart people.
你有能力成为非常非常聪明的人。
You are capable of being those doctors and lawyers.
你有能力成为那些医生和律师。
You're capable of running your own business.
你有能力经营自己的生意。
That's what -- one of things in the position I'm in...one of the things that really hurt -- one of the programs we had with some of the most money in it, you know, it's with business and industry.
这就是——我所处的位置的一件事……真正伤害的事情之一——我们用最多的钱进行的项目之一，你知道，它是针对商业和工业的。
And I sit up their and I'm signing off on six million, three million, two million -- but who is it going to?
我坐了下来，我要签署六百万、三百万、两百万——但它会送给谁呢？
Not one so far.
到目前为止还没有一个。
And when I got a report on where we are with it, we're -- we're approaching 80 million dollars since October 1st.
当我收到一份关于我们的进展情况的报告时，我们——自 10 月 1 日以来，我们的资金已接近 8000 万美元。
But not one dime to a black business -- not one, you know.
但黑人企业一毛钱都没有——你知道，一毛钱也没有。
And I know as a young person you're thinking good times.
我知道作为一个年轻人，你正在思考美好时光。
But, hey, don't let life pass you by having a good time.
但是，嘿，不要因为享受美好时光而让生活从你身边溜走。
You can enjoy it, but be serious, you know.
你可以享受它，但要认真，你知道。
And there are jobs in agriculture.
农业方面也有就业机会。
There's...a program, the 1890 Scholars Program and they are -- they're connected with every 1890 Land-Grant institution, and -- and let me tell you what that is.
有……一个计划，1890 年学者计划，它们与每一个 1890 年赠地机构都有联系，并且——让我告诉你那是什么。
That's the black Land-Grant institutions, and there are about 17 and Tuskegee.
那是黑人土地授予机构，塔斯基吉大约有 17 个。
They -- You can actually get a scholarship -- and Fort Valley State is the main grant in Georgia, the 1890; the 1862 is the white Land-Grant, that's the University of Georgia -- you can get a scholarship and every summer you work at one of those agencies while you are in school.
他们——你实际上可以获得奖学金——而福特谷州立大学是佐治亚州的主要奖学金，1890年； 1862 年是白色的赠地大学，那是佐治亚大学——你可以获得奖学金，每年夏天你在学校期间都可以在这些机构之一工作。
And when you get out, it's a automatic job.
当你出去时，这就是一项自动的工作。
Agencies like Natural Resource and Conservation Service (that's RCS), Farm Service Agency (that's the old Farmers Home Administration), Rural Development .
自然资源和保护服务局（即 RCS）、农业服务局（即旧的农民之家管理局）、农村发展局等机构。
Those are the major three.
这是主要的三个。
But there are others, so many other jobs, so many.
但还有其他的，很多其他的工作，很多。
Just in rural development nationwide, there are over 6000 employees.
仅在全国农村发展方面，就有从业人员6000多人。
But you can go up there to Washington, to the Department of Agriculture -- it's on both sides of the street.
但你可以去华盛顿农业部——它就在街道两边。
In Rural Development, there are 129 employees and guess how many of them are people of color?
农村发展部有 129 名员工，猜猜其中有多少是有色人种？
Anybody want to take a guess -- that's in Georgia?
有人想猜猜吗——那是在佐治亚州吗？
I got -- there are 129 in my agency.
我的机构中有 129 名员工。
How many?
多少？
It's more than two.
已经超过两个了
Little more than 12.
12多一点点。
There are less than 20 of us.
我们人数不到20人。
We have six area offices in the State and subarea offices and when I look at who's coming up the line in the agencies -- in the agency, there are not many of us, 'cause we think "agriculture" is a bad word.
我们在州和分区办事处设有六个地区办事处，当我查看这些机构中的负责人时，我们的人并不多，因为我们认为“农业”是一个坏词。
We think it's working in the fields.
我们认为它正在田间发挥作用。
Some of the best paying jobs you ever want to have, okay?
您想要拥有的一些薪水最高的工作，好吗？
I won't keep at you with that kind of stuff.
我不会用这种事来纠缠你。
But let -- just know that you can -- there's another point I want to make, though.
但是，让我们知道你可以，不过，我还想指出另一点。
You know, coming out of slavery black folks used to help each other.
你知道，摆脱奴隶制的黑人过去常常互相帮助。
That's how they built the schools that we have.
这就是他们建造我们学校的方式。
You know, that's how they bought the land that we have -- that we have about lost all of it.
你知道，他们就是这样买下我们拥有的土地的——但我们几乎失去了所有土地。
You know that our people had over 15 million acres, and, as black people, [we] have less than 2 million acres of farm land left.
你知道，我们的人民拥有超过1500万英亩的土地，而作为黑人，[我们]只剩下不到200万英亩的农田。
And we will sell it for nothing -- for nothing.
我们将无偿出售它——无偿出售。
You know, I was helping a family here recently: 515 acres of land, never had a drop of debt on it since the grandfather bought it years ago and he -- he died in 1974.
你知道，我最近正在帮助这里的一个家庭：拥有 515 英亩的土地，自从祖父多年前买下这块土地以来，从未欠过一滴债务，而他——他于 1974 年去世了。
And two cousins up in the North, guess what they decided?
还有北方的两个表兄弟，猜猜他们决定了什么？
They tried to force a sale of every acre of it.
他们试图强制出售每一英亩土地。
And they wanted that.
他们想要那样。
One of their aunts spent all of her life on the land.
他们的一位阿姨一生都在这片土地上度过。
She was 93 years old when she died.
她去世时享年93岁。
And she died after those "For Sale" signs went up out there on that farm -- auction sign went up on the farm.
在那个农场挂起“待售”标志后，她就死了——农场上挂起了拍卖标志。
She was in the hospital.
她在医院里。
The next month she was dead.
下个月她就死了。
That was January -- she was dead by October.
那是一月份——十月份她就去世了。
But we kept working at it.
但我们一直在努力。
And we found some honest lawyers -- they were white.
我们找到了一些诚实的律师——他们是白人。
I wish I could say that about all lawyers, especially black lawyers, but they will nickel and dime you to death.
我希望我能对所有律师，尤其是黑人律师这么说，但他们会用小钱把你弄死。
I don't have -- sorry -- I don't have two dozen pennies for most lawyers.
我没有——抱歉——对于大多数律师来说，我没有两打便士。
But anyway that land has been saved, you know.
但无论如何，这片土地已经被拯救了，你知道。
But they were trying to force a sale of all of it.
但他们正试图强制出售全部资产。
They'll eventually get 62 acres of the 515.
他们最终将获得 515 英亩土地中的 62 英亩。
And guess what?
你猜怎么着？
They have a white man already lined up to buy it.
他们已经有一个白人在排队购买了。
And it's the man on [unclear 34:41], which is what he wanted.
这就是[不清楚34:41]上的那个人，这就是他想要的。
But you can -- what I want to say to you: You can do good.
但你可以——我想对你说的是：你可以做好事。
And y'all going to be smart.
你们都会变得聪明。
You're going to go on and -- and get good jobs.
你会继续下去——并找到好工作。
Look, reach back and help somebody.
看吧，回来帮助别人。
That's what we were taught.
这就是我们被教导的。
That's what our folk did, you know.
你知道，我们人民就是这样做的。
It looks like the more -- the better we do, the more free we are, the more divided we become, you know.
你知道，看起来我们做得越好，我们就越自由，我们就越分裂。
It looks like we don't care about each other any more.
看来我们已经不再关心彼此了。
You know, that's why kids can just, you know -- y'all know what happened in the day.
你知道，这就是为什么孩子们可以，你知道——你们都知道当天发生了什么。
He did something wrong, everybody in the community got you, you know.
他做错了事，社区里的每个人都抓到了你，你知道。
Well that does happen anymore.
好吧，这种事确实会发生了。
And we have to get back to that.
我们必须回到这一点。
If we going to rebuild our communities, if we going to get with all of the problems we have in our communities, it will take all of us working together to solve them.
如果我们要重建我们的社区，如果我们要解决社区中存在的所有问题，就需要我们所有人共同努力来解决这些问题。
We can't turn our backs.
我们不能转身。
And you never know who you're helping.
而且你永远不知道你在帮助谁。
You could be helping the second black President of the United States.
你可以帮助美国第二任黑人总统。
Now, I need to tell you a little bit about Rural Development.
现在，我需要向大家介绍一下农村发展的情况。
There -- There are at least 40 programs at Rural Development, but I'll just talk to you briefly about a couple of them.
那里——农村发展部至少有 40 个项目，但我只简单地和你们谈谈其中的几个。
The main one is the Housing Program.
主要的一项是住房计划。
We have more money for single-family housing, direct loans -- and that's loans from the agency -- than we've ever had in the history of the program.
我们为单户住房、直接贷款（即来自该机构的贷款）提供的资金比该计划历史上任何时候都多。
But we having trouble getting that money out the door and guess why: credit issues.
但我们在把钱拿出来时遇到了困难，猜猜原因：信用问题。
They had to send me extra help from Washington to try to help because of the stimulus money.
由于刺激资金的原因，他们不得不从华盛顿向我提供额外的帮助，以试图提供帮助。
See, we have more money for direct loans for the low -- very low -- income and moderate income individuals.
看，我们有更多的钱为低收入和中等收入个人提供直接贷款。
And guess what?
你猜怎么着？
Those loans -- it's a 100% loan.
这些贷款——是 100% 的贷款。
You can buy the land and build a house -- 100% loan.
您可以购买土地并建造房屋——100% 贷款。
No private mortgage insurance, those loans are directly from USDA.
没有私人抵押贷款保险，这些贷款直接来自美国农业部。
And folks will let a little cell phone and other stuff you don't even need keeping you from being able to -- to acquire an asset that you really need -- which is a home.
人们会让一部小手机和其他你根本不需要的东西阻止你获得你真正需要的资产，那就是房子。
We've got to be more careful about our credit.
我们必须更加小心我们的信用。
I was talking with a young lady that's actually a relative in a major position, and -- and she -- she was letting the hospital -- the hospital was getting ready to...
我正在和一位年轻女士交谈，她实际上是一位担任要职的亲戚，而且 - 她 - 她正在出租医院 - 医院正准备......
garnish her check.
装饰她的支票。
She works for the city.
她为这座城市工作。
And I said, "Do you understand that goes on your credit?" See, [unclear 37:46] in the hospital counted on, you know, she -- it was after she had her child.
我说：“你明白这算你的功劳吗？”看，[不清楚 37:46] 在医院里，你知道，她——那是在她生完孩子之后。
I said, "You could have told them 'I...can pay 25 dollars a month'" and they would have accepted that.
我说，“你可以告诉他们‘我……可以每月支付 25 美元’”，他们会接受的。
But she didn't make that step.
但她并没有迈出这一步。
So now here they were getting ready to start taking it from her pay.
所以现在他们准备开始从她的工资中扣除。
And that goes on her credit.
这归功于她。
And I said, "You want a house one day -- you'll never be able to get a house." Now, she does some foolish stuff with her money.
我说：“有一天你想要一套房子，但你永远都买不到房子。”现在，她用自己的钱做了一些愚蠢的事情。
I won't go into some of the foolish stuff.
我不会谈论一些愚蠢的事情。
But I -- I want to say that to -- to us.
但我——我想对我们——说这些。
And young people: You know, that's one of the things I remember from my father.
年轻人：你知道，这是我从父亲那里记得的事情之一。
He used to talk to us about business and credit.
他常常和我们谈论商业和信用。
And what he said to us: "You need to always keep a good credit record.
他对我们说：“你需要始终保持良好的信用记录。
You may not have any money, but you can always get some." And we need to keep that in mind.
你可能没有钱，但你总能得到一些。”我们需要牢记这一点。
We need to stop trying to get things we don't need, you know.
你知道，我们需要停止试图获得我们不需要的东西。
Take the time to get the money -- you know, to save the money for what you want -- and you can do that.
花时间去赚钱——你知道，把钱存起来买你想要的东西——你可以做到的。
You can do that.
你可以这么做。
You can do that.
你可以这么做。
You don't have to have everything right now, okay?
你不必现在就拥有一切，好吗？
We also have in addition to the direct loans from the agency, we are...the guaranteed loan program for housing.
除了来自该机构的直接贷款外，我们还有……住房担保贷款计划。
And...those loans are for people with a slightly higher income.
而且......这些贷款是为收入稍高的人提供的。
That -- That program has been so successful that we are about to run out of money.
那个——那个计划非常成功，我们的钱快要花光了。
And I'm talking about all over the country.
我说的是全国各地。
I'm talking about billions.
我说的是数十亿。
And in Georgia, you know in 2008, they made like 1265 guaranteed loans.
在乔治亚州，你知道，2008 年，他们发放了大约 1265 笔担保贷款。
Last year, we did almost 4500.
去年，我们做了近 4500 个。
And this year, if the money had not run out, if it doesn't run out -- I'm hoping they going to get some more -- we might do as many as 12,000, you know.
今年，如果钱没有用完，如果没有用完——我希望他们能得到更多——我们可能会做多达 12,000 个，你知道。
If there was ever a time for people to become home owners, now is the time.
如果曾经有一个时代让人们成为房主，那么现在就是时候了。
And you can thank President Obama for that.
你可以为此感谢奥巴马总统。
And I said something briefly to you about the -- the business and industry money.
我简单地向你们说了一些关于商业和工业资金的事情。
We've got to get our act together.
我们必须齐心协力。
We got to start thinking about becoming entrepreneurs, you know.
你知道，我们必须开始考虑成为企业家。
And young people you need to think of that as you -- as you mature.
年轻人，当你成熟时，你需要考虑这一点。
You know, get some education.
你知道，接受一些教育。
Learn how to do it right and then think of going into business.
了解如何正确行事，然后考虑开展业务。
Until our communities look at how we can grow our own businesses, we'll be -- we'll forever be at the mercy of these companies that will come in, use up the tax credits, and leave.
在我们的社区考虑如何发展自己的企业之前，我们将永远受到这些公司的摆布，这些公司将进来，用完税收抵免，然后离开。
Hey, didn't y'all lose the chicken in the street, here.
嘿，你们不是把鸡丢在街上了吗？
They will [use] up your tax credit and move on to another community and use theirs too, and leave you high and dry.
他们会用完你的税收抵免，然后转移到另一个社区，也使用他们的税收抵免，让你陷入困境。
We can do some -- you know, you can think of creating your businesses and making those dollars flow over and over in your own community.
我们可以做一些——你知道，你可以考虑创建你的企业并让这些资金在你自己的社区中不断流动。
There's also the Repair Loan Program for -- for senior citizens 62 and over who are lower income.
还有针对 62 岁及以上收入较低的老年人的维修贷款计划。
You can qualify for a grant of 7500 dollars.
您有资格获得 7500 美元的补助金。
Or, if you have repayment ability -- and those payments can...some of them are very low, 25 dollars a month -- you get a one percent loan up to 25 -- 20,000 dollars.
或者，如果你有还款能力——这些还款额可以……其中一些非常低，每月 25 美元——你可以获得 1% 的贷款，最高可达 25 - 20,000 美元。
And the -- the $7500 is only for helping safety issues, you know, like something with your bathroom or something else in the house.
7500 美元只是为了帮助解决安全问题，你知道，比如你的浴室或房子里的其他东西。
But if you wanted to do some renovations up to $20,000, you can get a one percent loan to be able to do that.
但如果您想做一些高达 20,000 美元的翻修，您可以获得 1% 的贷款来实现这一目标。
I won't go into the other programs because a lot of them [are] different types programs for cities.
我不会讨论其他项目，因为其中很多都是针对城市的不同类型的项目。
And, you know, I had a visit from the mayor and your city manager and -- and I've thought about y'all a lot and I'm not -- my commitment is to the rural area.
而且，你知道，市长和你们的城市经理来访过我，而且——我想了很多，但我没有——我的承诺是对农村地区的支持。
My commitment even more so is to south Georgia.
我对南乔治亚岛的承诺更是如此。
That's were I'm from.
我就是从那儿来的。
I can't say that up in north Georgia.
在乔治亚州北部我不能这么说。
But they don't seem to have a problem getting the money.
但他们在拿到钱方面似乎并不存在问题。
Okay, I won't keep going on tonight, but just let me say there is a saying: "Life is a grindstone; but...whether it grinds us down or polishes us up depends on us," you know.
好吧，今晚我不会继续说下去，但我想说的是，有句话说：“生活是一块磨刀石；但是……它是磨砺我们还是磨砺我们，取决于我们自己，”你知道。
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American Rhetoric.
美国修辞学。
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Eidenmuller.
艾登米勒。