Judge chastises Trump administration plan to push ahead overhaul of DC golf course

Heard on All Things Considered In a tense hearing on Monday, federal Judge Ana C.

在周一紧张的听证会上，联邦法官 Ana C.

Reyes sharply rebuked administration lawyers over President Trump's apparent intent to defy the court and proceed with a major renovation of the historic East Potomac Golf Links in Washington, D.C. Only days before, the judge had temporarily blocked the government from moving forward with the project.

雷耶斯严厉斥责了特朗普总统明显意图违抗法院，对华盛顿特区历史悠久的东波托马克高尔夫球场进行重大翻修的政府律师。就在几天前，法官还暂时阻止政府推进该项目。

During the hearing, which ended without a decision, Reyes chastised the government attorneys, who had previously told the court that renovating the links was still in its conceptual stage.

在没有做出决定的听证会上，雷耶斯严厉批评了政府律师，他们此前曾告诉法庭，翻新这些通道仍处于概念阶段。

So when Trump posted his detailed plans for a new golf course on Sunday, Reyes wanted to know who was responsible for misleading the court.

因此，当特朗普周日发布新高尔夫球场的详细计划时，雷耶斯想知道谁该为误导法庭负责。

"Do I believe the president of the United States or do I believe you?" she asked.

“我相信美国总统还是相信你？”她问道。

During the hearing, Reyes frequently exhibited frustration and annoyance.

在听证会上，雷耶斯经常表现出沮丧和烦恼。

"I have, on the one hand, the president of the United States saying to the American public three times now, I think, in the last two days, there is a final plan to redesign the golf course," she said.

“一方面，美国总统已经向美国公众三次表示，我认为在过去的两天里，已经有了重新设计高尔夫球场的最终计划，”她说。

"Then I have you all telling me and, you know, witnesses saying what they're saying, that there's no final plan.

“然后我让你们所有人告诉我，你知道，目击者都说了他们所说的，没有最终计划。

Which is it?"

是哪一个？”

Trump has said that he wants to turn the three existing courses at the East Potomac Golf Links into a single, "championship-style golf course." But in February, a D.C. preservation group and two individuals challenged the U.S. Department of Interior and the National Park Service over the planned renovations, arguing that the renovated course would inflate tee-time costs for a facility that was originally intended to be "open to all people."

特朗普表示，他希望将东波托马克高尔夫球场现有的三个球场变成一个“锦标赛风格的高尔夫球场”。但在二月份，华盛顿特区的一个保护组织和两名个人就计划中的翻修计划向美国内政部和国家公园管理局提出质疑，认为翻修后的球场会增加原本打算“向所有人开放”的设施的开球成本。

In May, the judge ordered the administration to give notice of any substantial construction work on the course, including the removal of more than 10 trees.

5 月，法官命令管理部门就球场上的任何实质性建设工作发出通知，包括拆除 10 多棵树。

Despite the order, late on Friday, Oct.

尽管有命令，十月星期五晚。

9 — just before a holiday weekend — government officials notified the court that it planned to remove "up to 529 trees" in phases.

9 月 9 日，就在周末假期之前，政府官员通知法院，计划分阶段移除“多达 529 棵树”。

Bulldozers began taking down hundreds of trees the next day.

第二天，推土机开始推倒数百棵树。

During a three-hour emergency hearing last week, Reyes called the government lawyers out for not giving enough prior notice for the tree removal.

在上周举行的三个小时的紧急听证会上，雷耶斯指责政府律师没有就树木移除事宜给予足够的事先通知。

She did not believe the argument that the tree felling was part of routine maintenance, saying she was "beyond disappointed" by the action and ordered a 24-hour halt.

她不相信砍伐树木是例行维护的一部分的说法，称她对这一行为“非常失望”，并下令停止 24 小时。

"I do not know how I could have made it any plainer that I did not want what was to happen, to happen," she said, adding: "I have given the government every single benefit of the doubt that it would not do precisely what it has done."

她说：“我不知道如何才能更清楚地表明我不希望发生的事情发生。”她补充说：“我已经向政府提出了一切怀疑，表明它不会完全按照它所做的那样去做。”

On Friday, the White House filed a motion requesting that Reyes remove herself from the case, accusing her of bias.

周五，白宫提出动议，要求雷耶斯退出此案，指责她存在偏见。

The judge declined to step aside.

法官拒绝让位。

Ahead of the hearing on Monday, Trump wrote on Truth Social that Reyes was a "crazed lunatic" and said that renovation work did not need court approval.

在周一的听证会之前，特朗普在《真相社会》上写道，雷耶斯是一个“疯狂的疯子”，并表示翻修工作不需要法院批准。

"Work is scheduled to begin IMMEDIATELY!" he said.

“工作安排立即开始！”他说。

The president's post appears to contradict a response filed by Department of Justice lawyers the previous day indicating that "the plan is not final because the Park Service has not completed its review."

总统的帖子似乎与司法部律师前一天提交的回应相矛盾，该回应表明“该计划不是最终的，因为公园管理局尚未完成审查。”

Trump has described the golf course as "old, broken, dilapidated, and of no further use or effect." The prospect of a complete renovation has alarmed residents who are concerned about losing access to the historically affordable course and to the surrounding recreational area, which is popular with cyclists, runners, fishers and picnickers.

特朗普称该高尔夫球场“陈旧、破损、破旧，无法进一步使用或产生作用”。全面翻修的前景让居民感到震惊，他们担心无法进入历史上价格实惠的球场和周围的休闲区，这些休闲区深受骑自行车者、跑步者、钓鱼者和野餐者的欢迎。

The century-old golf links were also one of the first public courses to be desegregated.

拥有百年历史的高尔夫球场也是最早取消种族隔离的公共球场之一。

"This is not just some putt-putt course," Reyes told the attorneys, who appeared in court on Monday.

“这不仅仅是一些推杆课程，”雷耶斯告诉周一出庭的律师。

The park holds "a deep amount of meaning for the people of the district, and is protected as a historic landmark."

该公园“对该地区的人们具有深远的意义，并作为历史地标受到保护。”

The White House has said that it is simply carrying out a 2019 preservation plan , but plaintiffs seeking to block the changes have said that Trump's stated desire to redevelop the course goes well beyond that.

白宫表示，它只是在执行 2019 年保护计划，但试图阻止这些变化的原告表示，特朗普所声称的重新开发球场的愿望远远超出了这一范围。

Among other things, the 2019 plan recommends removing invasive vegetation that doesn't contribute to the historic landscape, but not healthy, native species.

除其他事项外，2019 年计划建议清除对历史景观无益的入侵植被，但对健康的本地物种也无益。

The golf course is one of several instances in which the president has sought to circumvent the courts in order to exert his power and to place his own stamp on Washington, D.C. He has also threatened to tear down the Kennedy Center and is seeking to build a 250-foot arch near the National Mall .

该高尔夫球场是总统试图绕过法院以行使权力并在华盛顿特区留下自己印记的几个例子之一。他还威胁要拆除肯尼迪中心，并寻求在国家广场附近建造一个 250 英尺高的拱门。

JUANA SUMMERS, HOST: President Trump wants to turn a municipal D.C. golf course into a championship-style venue to the dismay of residents and the confusion of a federal judge.

主持人胡安娜·萨默斯：特朗普总统希望将华盛顿特区的一座高尔夫球场变成锦标赛风格的场地，这让居民感到沮丧，也让联邦法官感到困惑。

Earlier this morning, President Trump said work on East Potomac golf course will begin immediately.

今天早上早些时候，特朗普总统表示东波托马克高尔夫球场的工程将立即开始。

That was news to government officials and lawyers who testified in court today saying there is no final plan.

这对今天在法庭上作证的政府官员和律师来说是个新闻，他们表示目前还没有最终计划。

NPR's Rachel Treisman watched the six-plus-hour hearing and joins us now to catch us up on it all.

NPR 的 Rachel Treisman 观看了长达六个多小时的听证会，现在加入我们来了解这一切。

Hey there.

嘿。

RACHEL TREISMAN, BYLINE: Hey there.

雷切尔·特雷斯曼连线：嘿，那里。

SUMMERS: So what stood out to you about today's proceedings?

萨默斯：那么今天的会议对您来说最突出的是什么？

TREISMAN: Big picture, the tone.

TREISMAN：大局，基调。

Judge Ana Reyes called this hearing a week ago in the hopes of getting more answers from government officials about the very abrupt clearing of hundreds of trees at East Potomac last weekend.

安娜·雷耶斯法官一周前召开了这次听证会，希望政府官员就上周末东波托马克突然砍伐数百棵树木的事件得到更多答复。

Now, that was the subject of a pretty tense hearing last Monday, where Reyes basically wondered aloud whether the government had been lying to her about its intentions at the golf course that Trump has publicly said he wants to redevelop.

现在，这是上周一一场相当紧张的听证会的主题，雷耶斯基本上想知道政府是否在特朗普公开表示他想重新开发高尔夫球场的意图上向她撒谎。

So after that hearing, the government asked her to recuse herself.

因此，在那次听证会之后，政府要求她回避。

They accused her of hostility and bias.

他们指责她有敌意和偏见。

The judge denied that allegation and request.

法官驳回了这一指控和请求。

So today's hearing mostly focused on questioning of three officials from the Interior Department and the National Park Service, but it definitely had its share of sharp exchanges between the judge and government lawyers.

因此，今天的听证会主要集中在对内政部和国家公园管理局三名官员的质询上，但法官和政府律师之间肯定也有尖锐的交流。

At various points, she accused them of evading her questions and contradicting themselves.

她多次指责他们回避她的问题并自相矛盾。

But she made clear this wasn't pure frustration.

但她明确表示这并不是纯粹的挫败感。

She was confused by the mixed messages she's been getting from this administration.

她对从本届政府收到的混杂信息感到困惑。

SUMMERS: So, Rachel, help us understand what exactly is going on at East Potomac, and what are the contradictions you mentioned?

萨默斯：那么，雷切尔，请帮助我们了解东波托马克到底发生了什么，以及你提到的矛盾是什么？

TREISMAN: I wish we had six hours to get into it here, but I'll try to quickly summarize.

TREISMAN：我希望我们有六个小时的时间来讨论这个问题，但我会尝试快速总结一下。

So Trump wants to overhaul this municipal golf course, and locals are worried that will make it less accessible and affordable.

因此，特朗普想要彻底改造这个市政高尔夫球场，而当地人担心这会导致它变得更难进入和负担得起。

That's why some of them sued back in February.

这就是为什么他们中的一些人在二月份提起诉讼。

So all along, the Trump administration has said the plan was only in conceptual stages.

因此，特朗普政府一直表示该计划仅处于概念阶段。

Judge Reyes at various points declined to intervene, instead warning the government they'd have to notify the court if they were going to take major steps - for example, cutting down more than, say, 10 trees.

雷耶斯法官多次拒绝干预，而是警告政府，如果他们要采取重大措施，例如砍伐超过 10 棵树，就必须通知法院。

Then last weekend, the administration cut down 430 trees, with less than a day's notice, over a federal holiday.

上周末，政府在联邦假日期间在不到一天的时间内砍伐了 430 棵树。

So officials with the Department of Interior and National Park Service are saying in court filings and hearings that they are acting on recommendations from this 2019 report.

因此，内政部和国家公园管理局的官员在法庭文件和听证会上表示，他们正在根据 2019 年报告中的建议采取行动。

Critics and Judge Reyes said that's a crazy coincidence - only some of the recommendations of the seven-year report are being followed, and only after Trump publicly set his sights on this very course.

批评者和雷耶斯法官表示，这是一个疯狂的巧合——只有七年报告中的一些建议得到了遵循，而且只是在特朗普公开将目光投向了这一进程之后。

SUMMERS: What does President Trump want to do to the golf course?

萨默斯：特朗普总统想对高尔夫球场做什么？

TREISMAN: We got some more hints yesterday when President Trump posted a rendering on Truth Social.

特雷斯曼：昨天，当特朗普总统在 Truth Social 上发布渲染图时，我们得到了更多提示。

Still not a ton of detail, but critics have noticed two things so far.

仍然没有太多细节，但批评者到目前为止已经注意到两件事。

For one, it would combine the area's three main different courses for different levels into one big, seemingly fancier one.

其一，它将将该地区针对不同级别的三个主要不同课程合并为一个大型的、看似更高档的课程。

So there are questions about the accessibility for players of different skill and income levels.

因此，对于不同技能和收入水平的玩家的可访问性存在疑问。

And based on that one rendering, it looks this redevelopment would entirely eliminate the path that goes around the manmade peninsula that's really popular not just with golfers but runners and cyclists.

根据该渲染图，看来这次重建将完全消除环绕人造半岛的道路，这条道路不仅受到高尔夫球手的欢迎，而且受到跑步者和骑自行车者的欢迎。

But again, it's not clear this plan has even been approved.

但同样，尚不清楚该计划是否已获得批准。

Trump said in his post yesterday, work will start on November 15 and keep the course closed for 15 months.

特朗普昨天在帖子中表示，工程将于 11 月 15 日开始，并将球场关闭 15 个月。

This morning, before the hearing started, he said it would begin immediately, and that surprised government lawyers and the National Park Service acting Director Jessica Bowron, who said she was not aware of any plan to close the course in November.

今天早上，在听证会开始之前，他表示听证会将立即开始，这让政府律师和国家公园管理局代理局长杰西卡·鲍伦 (Jessica Bowron) 感到惊讶，她说她不知道有任何在 11 月份关闭球场的计划。

SUMMERS: I mean, there's a lot happening, and things are moving pretty fast, Rachel.

萨默斯：我的意思是，发生了很多事情，而且事情进展得很快，雷切尔。

What are you watching for?

你在看什么？

TREISMAN: Right.

特雷斯曼：对。

So we got some details today about the tree-clearing part of things, but so many more questions about the government's future plans for the site and the process for it.

所以我们今天得到了一些关于树木清理部分的细节，但还有更多关于政府未来对该地点的计划及其流程的问题。

At one point, the judge literally asked the government's lawyer, should people believe what they hear from the president or from the agency?

有一次，法官问政府律师，人们应该相信他们从总统或该机构听到的消息吗？

So, of course, I'd like to see where the judge rules on this request to issue a restraining order.

所以，当然，我想看看法官对发布限制令的请求有何裁决。

She's already temporarily blocked the government from clearing more trees through next Monday, but we'll see whether she takes that any further in scope or in timing after today's hearing.

她已经暂时阻止政府在下周一之前清理更多树木，但我们将在今天的听证会后看看她是否会在范围或时间上进一步采取这一行动。

SUMMERS: NPR's Rachel Treisman, thanks.

萨默斯：谢谢 NPR 的 Rachel Treisman。

TREISMAN: Thank you.

特雷斯曼：谢谢。

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