Two Days in October
In October 1967, history turned a corner.
1967年10月，历史发生了转折。
In a jungle in Vietnam, a Viet Cong ambush nearly wiped out an American battalion, prompting some in power to question whether the war might be unwinnable.
在越南的丛林中，越共的一次伏击几乎消灭了一个美军营，这促使一些当权者质疑这场战争是否可能无法获胜。
On a campus in Wisconsin, an antiwar demonstration spiraled out of control, marking the first time that a student protest had turned violent.
在威斯康星州的一所校园里，反战示威活动逐渐失控，这是学生抗议活动首次演变成暴力活动。
These two simultaneous events, half a world apart, offer a window onto a moment that divided a nation and a war that continues to haunt us.
这两起同时发生的事件，相隔半个地球，为我们提供了一个窗口，让我们了解一个国家分裂的时刻和一场继续困扰我们的战争。
Jane Brotman, Student : I was very proud to be an American.
Jane Brotman，学生：我为自己是美国人而感到非常自豪。
I felt like this was the greatest country in the history of the world.
我觉得这是世界历史上最伟大的国家。
Joe Costello, Private : I volunteered for the draft.
乔·科斯特洛（Joe Costello），列兵：我自愿参加选秀。
It was an escape for me to avoid attending college.
对我来说，逃避上大学是一种逃避。
Mike Troyer, Private : My granddad fought in a war.
迈克·特罗耶（Mike Troyer），二等兵：我的祖父参加过一场战争。
My father fought in a war.
我的父亲参加过一场战争。
This is what you were supposed to do if they wanted you.
如果他们想要你，这就是你应该做的。
So that's what you did, even though it was wrong.
所以这就是你所做的，尽管这是错误的。
You had no choice in it.
你别无选择。
Mark Greenside, Student : I'm the first-born Jewish son after the Holocaust.
学生马克·格林赛德：我是大屠杀后第一个出生的犹太儿子。
You don't just blindly follow; you don't just blindly obey.
你不只是盲目跟随；你不只是盲目服从。
You stand up when you see something wrong.
当你看到有什么不对劲的时候，你会站起来。
Your government like any other government can make mistakes.
你们的政府和其他政府一样，也会犯错误。
Diane Sikorski : Danny and I grew up in Milwaukee.
黛安·西科尔斯基：丹尼和我在密尔沃基长大。
People in our neighborhoods didn't go to college.
我们附近的人没有上过大学。
You graduated and you got your diploma from high school and you got a full time job.
你毕业了，你得到了高中文凭，你找到了一份全职工作。
Jim Rowen, Student : I lost my student deferment, and I remember staying in a barracks.
Jim Rowen，学生：我失去了学生延期，我记得住在军营里。
And the boy who was on the upper bunk, he looked to be like 17 and a half.
还有上铺的那个男孩，看上去十七岁半。
I couldn't even believe he was draft age.
我什至不敢相信他已经到了征兵年龄。
And he cried all night for his mother.
他整晚都在为他的母亲哭泣。
And I felt horrible about that.
我对此感到很可怕。
And the only thing I felt I could do was to simply work harder to stop the war.
我觉得我唯一能做的就是更加努力地阻止战争。
Clark Welch, Commander of Delta Company : Vietnam is an oppressed people that needs liberating.
三角洲连指挥官克拉克·韦尔奇：越南是一个受压迫的人民，需要解放。
It's what I've trained for all my adult life.
这是我成年后一直接受的训练。
It's why I was in the Boy Scouts, trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, all of that stuff was just a, of course, I'll go to Vietnam.
这就是为什么我加入童子军，值得信赖、忠诚、乐于助人、友好，所有这些东西只是，当然，我会去越南。
And for somebody to say that it's wrong to liberate the oppressed -- that don't make sense.
有人说解放被压迫者是错误的——这是没有道理的。
It was just so simple, so simple -- not so simple now.
事情就是这么简单，这么简单——现在不那么简单了。
Mike Troyer : We were informed that we were going to be in the Black Lions special unit.
Mike Troyer：我们被告知我们将加入黑狮特种部队。
And they told us all about it and how that Charlie was really scared of us.
他们告诉我们这一切，以及查理是如何真正害怕我们的。
They had us pumped up to the fact that we thought that we were invincible.
他们让我们相信自己是无敌的。
You know, you were 20 years old and you were bulletproof.
你知道，你才20岁，而且你是刀枪不入的。
Well, maybe.
嗯，也许吧。
Basically, I don't think I gave a [expletive] about communism.
基本上，我认为我没有对共产主义发表[脏话]。
Hey, we're fighting Communism, I don't care if you're fighting against flamenco dancers, okay?
嘿，我们正在反对共产主义，我不在乎你是否正在反对弗拉门戈舞者，好吗？
We're going to do whatever the government says -- they own me, I got to do it.
我们将按照政府所说的去做——他们拥有我，我必须这么做。
Ernie Buentiempo, Private : I was older.
Ernie Buentiempo，二等兵：我年纪大了。
I was 23-years-old, but the majority of the people that were there, the kids, you know, to me they were kids -- 18, 19, cherry boys, some of them hadn't ever been with a woman.
我当时 23 岁，但在场的大多数人，孩子们，你知道，对我来说他们都是孩子——18、19 岁的男孩，其中一些人从未和女人在一起过。
Tom Hinger, Medic : These were some great guys.
Tom Hinger，医生：这些人都是很棒的人。
They become your whole world.
他们成为你的整个世界。
They're more important to you, at that time, than your family, because you know that they're going to be with you tomorrow.
那时，他们对你来说比你的家人更重要，因为你知道他们明天会和你在一起。
Clark Welch : We trained hard, hard, hard.
克拉克·韦尔奇：我们刻苦训练、刻苦训练、刻苦训练。
I taught a lot of the classes myself.
我自己教了很多课程。
They were good, and they were bright.
他们很好，而且很聪明。
It was like I didn't want to go to sleep at night and, when I would sleep, I'd wake up thinking, "Jesus [expletive], here's something we could have added." The first day when you're standing there and it starts to rain and you see some shuffling around, like, "Wait a minute, what do you guys think we're going to go inside?
就像我晚上不想睡觉一样，当我睡觉时，我醒来时会想，“天哪[咒骂]，这是我们可以添加的东西。”第一天，当你站在那里，开始下雨，你会看到有人在走来走去，比如，“等一下，你们觉得我们要进去做什么？
What the hell's wrong with you?" It's raining.
你到底怎么了？”下雨了。
So what?
所以呢？
That develops into you've been shot in the arm.
这会发展成你手臂中枪。
So what?
所以呢？
Uh, your buddy's been killed.
呃，你的朋友被杀了。
So what?
所以呢？
They got better and better and better.
他们变得越来越好。
I was so [expletive] damn proud of them.
我为他们感到非常[咒骂]该死的骄傲。
All I wanted to do was make a better company.
我想做的就是打造一家更好的公司。
All I wanted to do was make a better company.
我想做的就是打造一家更好的公司。
Clark Welch, read from letter : My Lacy, Everyday I can see my company get better and better.
克拉克·韦尔奇 (Clark Welch) 读了一封信：我的莱西，我每天都能看到我的公司变得越来越好。
There's been quite a shift of people in our battalion.
我们营的人员变动很大。
No one has thought too much of our battalion commander, and last night he finally got relieved.
没有人对我们营长想太多，昨晚他终于松了口气。
Lt.
中尉
Colonel Allen is our commander now.
艾伦上校现在是我们的指挥官。
As far as I know, he seems like a fine man.
据我所知，他看起来是个好人。
Jim Shelton, Major : I said, "You're not any relation to General Terry Allen are you?
吉姆·谢尔顿，少校：我说，“你和特里·艾伦将军没有任何关系，是吗？
And he says, "Yeah, I'm his son." And I just was absolutely flabbergasted by that.
他说：“是的，我是他的儿子。”我对此感到非常惊讶。
General Terry Allen, he was on the cover of Time magazine.
特里艾伦将军，他登上了《时代》杂志的封面。
Consuelo Allen, daughter of Terry Allen Jr. : It was very clear that my dad wanted nothing more than to be a general like his dad was.
小特里·艾伦 (Terry Allen Jr.) 的女儿康苏埃洛·艾伦 (Consuelo Allen)：很明显，我父亲只想成为像他父亲一样的将军。
Jean Ponder Allen : He very much wanted his father to be proud of him.
Jean Ponder Allen：他非常希望他的父亲为他感到骄傲。
I encouraged this.
我鼓励这一点。
I very much wanted to be a general's wife.
我非常想成为将军的妻子。
When I first met Terry I was 18, so he would have been 31.
当我第一次见到特里时，我 18 岁，所以他应该 31 岁了。
It was very prestigious to marry into the Allen family.
嫁入艾伦家族是非常有名望的。
And in El Paso there was no question that the war in Vietnam was a good thing, and we would go over, and we would whip them, and we would come back.
在埃尔帕索，毫无疑问，越南战争是一件好事，我们会过去，我们会鞭打他们，然后我们会回来。
And to me Vietnam meant, especially, that this was Terry's opportunity to have combat duty; that was really the sum total of it in my own mind.
对我来说，越南尤其意味着这是特里执行战斗任务的机会；这确实是我自己的想法的总和。
Paul Soglin, Student : When we returned to school in the fall of '67, a lot of things had changed since the spring.
Paul Soglin，学生：当我们在 67 年秋天回到学校时，自春天以来很多事情都发生了变化。
The war had picked up considerably.
战争已经大大加剧。
Jim Rowen : People were getting angrier and angrier and angrier about the war and the draft and the news that they were seeing, the images on television, the level of violence, the body counts, the bombings.
吉姆·罗文：人们对战争、征兵、他们看到的新闻、电视上的图像、暴力程度、死亡人数、爆炸事件越来越愤怒。
It was all mounting.
一切都在增加。
News Anchor, archival footage : In the week ended last Saturday, 171 Americans were killed in combat, 977 were wounded.
新闻主播，档案片段：在上周六结束的一周内，171 名美国人在战斗中丧生，977 人受伤。
Walter Cronkite, archival footage : One hundred and ninety-three Americans died in combat last week.
沃尔特·克朗凯特，档案镜头：上周有一百九十三名美国人在战斗中丧生。
Walter Cronkite, archival footage : Number of American killed in combat in Vietnam is now over 14,000.
沃尔特·克朗凯特 (Walter Cronkite)，档案镜头：在越南战斗中阵亡的美国人人数现已超过 14,000 人。
Jack Cipperly, assistant dean : More and more people were trying to make a decision about where they would stand in relation to Vietnam.
杰克·西珀利（Jack Cipperly），院长助理：越来越多的人试图决定他们在越南问题上的立场。
I was aware for the first time that there was a beginning of some kind of a movement.
我第一次意识到某种运动正在开始。
It was kind of mystifying and it was also a bit threatening to me, because I thought, "What's going to happen here?"
这有点神秘，对我来说也有点威胁，因为我想，“这里会发生什么？”
Jane Brotman : Everyone was trying to get your attention, and one might be, you know, a petition to sign against the war in Vietnam.
简·布罗特曼：每个人都试图引起你的注意，其中一个可能是，你知道，签署反对越南战争的请愿书。
And, you know, I had very suspicious feelings of these folks.
而且，你知道，我对这些人抱有非常怀疑的感觉。
If my government said we needed to be in Vietnam, then I believed we needed to be in Vietnam.
如果我的政府说我们需要在越南，那么我相信我们需要在越南。
Paul Soglin : I remember a group of us gathering and looking at the Daily Cardinal and seeing that Dow was coming to campus to recruit, which prompted a discussion that we had to start preparing for that.
保罗·索格林：我记得我们一群人聚集在一起，看着《红衣主教日报》，看到陶氏要来校园招聘，这引发了我们必须开始为此做准备的讨论。
Ned Brandt, Dow publicist : The best known product that Dow was making was saran wrap.
Ned Brandt，陶氏化学公关：陶氏生产的最著名的产品是保鲜膜。
The Dow company began making Napalm in 1965.
陶氏公司于 1965 年开始生产凝固汽油弹。
The board chairmen, the CEO, had served in the armed services in World War II.
董事会主席兼首席执行官曾在二战期间服役于军队。
That made it rather natural that when your government wanted you to make some, some stuff, even though it was very nasty stuff, that you made it without any question.
这使得当你的政府希望你制造一些东西时，即使是非常令人讨厌的东西，你也毫无疑问地做到了，这是很自然的。
Mark Greenside : Napalm was this hideous, jellied gas burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
马克·格林赛德：凝固汽油弹是一种在 2,000 华氏度下燃烧的可怕的胶状气体。
It didn't just kill you; it tortured you.
它不仅杀了你，还杀了你。它折磨着你。
It has a complete reference to Zyclon-B, the gas they used in the concentration camps.
它完全参考了 Zyclon-B，即他们在集中营使用的气体。
It felt like chemical warfare at its worst.
这感觉就像是最糟糕的化学战。
David Maraniss, Author, They Marched into Sunlight : Napalm was the symbol of the war.
大卫·马拉尼斯（David Maraniss），《他们走进阳光》作者：凝固汽油弹是战争的象征。
A year earlier there had been a huge story in Ramparts magazine talking about the effects that Napalm had on what it said were millions of children in Vietnam who had been burned by it.
一年前，《Ramparts》杂志发表了一篇大报道，讲述了凝固汽油弹对越南数百万被其烧伤的儿童造成的影响。
Maurice Zeitlin, Professor : The horror of napalm made an indelible impression on all of us and especially on students when they discovered that the University of Wisconsin had invited Dow Chemical Company to come to the campus to recruit.
Maurice Zeitlin，教授：凝固汽油弹的恐怖给我们所有人，特别是当学生们发现威斯康星大学邀请陶氏化学公司来校园招聘时，给他们留下了不可磨灭的印象。
And the man who was to become the Chancellor of the University shortly thereafter, William Sewell, he said why can't they go and recruit off campus like they do in most places?
此后不久就成为大学校长的威廉·休厄尔（William Sewell）说，为什么他们不能像在大多数地方那样去校外招聘呢？
David Maraniss : Sewell was an opponent of the Vietnam war.
大卫·马拉尼斯：休厄尔是越南战争的反对者。
He'd voted against allowing Dow to recruit on campus but he was outvoted.
他曾投票反对允许陶氏化学公司在校园招聘，但最终被否决。
Maurice Zeitlin : The faculty endorsed their right to recruit, and the response of students who cared was that they had to do something if the faculty was not going to take a reasonable stand on this.
Maurice Zeitlin：教师们认可了他们的招生权利，而关心此事的学生的反应是，如果教师们不打算对此采取合理的立场，他们就必须采取行动。
Paul Soglin : People want to go work for Dow that's their business, however, to use the University buildings to, in effect, provide a subsidy to Dow, by providing them the space, we thought was absolutely wrong.
Paul Soglin：人们想去陶氏化学工作，这是他们的事，然而，利用大学建筑实际上为陶氏化学提供了补贴，为他们提供了空间，我们认为这是绝对错误的。
Jim Rowen : I didn't want to see any more Vietnamese children running around with their clothes burned off.
吉姆·罗文：我不想看到更多的越南孩子衣服被烧毁到处乱跑。
There were millions of us who thought that if we put in enough time and made enough noise that it would make it impossible for the government to keep sending young men to Vietnam.
我们中有数百万人认为，如果我们投入足够的时间并发出足够的声音，政府就不可能继续派遣年轻人前往越南。
David Maraniss : In the fall of 1967, there were nearly a half million American troops in Vietnam.
大卫·马拉尼斯：1967 年秋天，越南有近 50 万美军。
General Westmoreland, the commanding general, wanted another hundred thousand or more, thinking that they could win the war through battles of attrition.
主帅威斯特摩兰将军还想要十万或更多的士兵，认为他们可以通过消耗战赢得战争。
Lyndon Johnson wanted body counts, and the pressure was flowing down on all of theses battalions like the Black Lions battalion, to just go out into the jungle, search out the Viet Cong and destroy them.
林登·约翰逊想要清点死亡人数，而黑狮营等所有这些营都承受着压力，要求他们进入丛林，搜寻越共并消灭他们。
Jim Shelton : We had some intelligence that a VC division were in this area.
Jim Shelton：我们有一些情报表明风险投资部门正在这个领域。
And so around the tenth of October the Black Lions were sent back out, Terry Allen in command, and it was an exciting day.
于是，十月十日左右，黑狮队被遣返，由特里·艾伦指挥，这是令人兴奋的一天。
Tom Hinger : You would be out searching for base camps, searching for the enemy, and then at night you would come back to what was called a night defensive position.
汤姆·辛格：你会出去寻找大本营，寻找敌人，然后在晚上你会回到所谓的夜间防御阵地。
Bud Barrow, First Sergeant : We moved from one Night Defensive Position to another.
巴德·巴罗，中士：我们从一个夜间防御阵地转移到另一个夜间防御阵地。
And it seemed like everyday we made contact of some kind, maybe 2 or 3 people, maybe just a couple of rounds, sniper or something you know...
似乎我们每天都会进行某种形式的接触，也许是两三个人，也许只是几发子弹，狙击手或者你知道的东西……
Ernie Buentiempo : There was movement all around us.
Ernie Buentiempo：我们周围有动静。
You could just sense it in the air.
你可以在空气中感觉到它。
You just get goose bumps.
你只会起鸡皮疙瘩。
Gerald Thompson, Sergeant : I live in the hills of east Tennessee.
杰拉尔德·汤普森（Gerald Thompson）中士：我住在田纳西州东部的山上。
You don't come in my backyard and sneak up on me.
你别来到我的后院偷偷靠近我。
I know every nook and every cranny.
我了解每一个角落、每一个缝隙。
I know the creeks.
我知道那些小溪。
You ain't gonna sneak up on me in the woods in my home town.
你不会在我家乡的树林里偷袭我的。
You're not going in the jungles of Vietnam and sneak up on a VC.
你不会去越南的丛林里偷偷摸摸VC。
He knows where you're at.
他知道你在哪里。
He knows where you're at before you ever leave base camp.
在你离开大本营之前，他就知道你在哪里。
Clark Welch : My company was getting most of the action, because I would go where the enemy was.
克拉克·韦尔奇：我的连队承担了大部分行动，因为我会去敌人所在的地方。
I had a good feel for what the enemy was doing, but we were finding the enemy.
我很清楚敌人在做什么，但我们正在寻找敌人。
I couldn't have dreamed that it was the entire regiment.
我做梦也想不到这是整个团的人。
Vo Minh Triet, Colonel, North Vietnamese Army : My regiment had 1200 soldiers.
Vo Minh Triet，北越陆军上校：我的团有 1200 名士兵。
We weren't supposed to engage in any battles there.
我们不应该在那里进行任何战斗。
We were just passing through on our way to another mission.
我们只是在前往另一个任务的途中经过。
But we'd had no rice to eat for days.
但我们已经好几天没有米饭吃了。
We heard if we came to this area, they might have rice.
听说如果我们来到这个地区，他们可能会吃到米饭。
But when we got there on October 15, we found that this unit had no rice for us either.
但当我们10月15日到达那里时，我们发现这个单位也没有米给我们了。
They told us to wait a few days.
他们告诉我们要等几天。
We dug bunkers in case of attack.
我们挖了掩体以防遭到袭击。
If we had found rice in that area, then we would have left that area on the 16th and none of the fighting would have taken place.
如果我们在那个地区发现了稻米，那么我们就会在 16 日离开那个地区，就不会发生任何战斗。
Bert Quint, archival footage : It's a big hot murderous jungle and somewhere in here are hundreds, maybe thousands of Communist troops.
伯特·昆特（Bert Quint），档案镜头：这是一个炎热而凶残的丛林，这里的某个地方有数百甚至数千名共产党军队。
In the last couple of days, American soldiers have come in looking for them, spoiling for a fight.
在过去的几天里，美国士兵来找他们，恨不得打架。
Jim Shelton : There was a feeling from General Westmoreland all the way on down, like we were doing an awful lot of work and not getting much return.
吉姆·谢尔顿：从威斯特摩兰将军一路下来都有一种感觉，就像我们做了很多工作却没有得到太多回报。
We had a hard time having big fights.
我们很难打架。
We thought we were doing that, but the enemy wasn't fighting.
我们以为我们正在这样做，但敌人并没有战斗。
Bert Quint, archival footage : Where is the enemy, General?
伯特·昆特，档案片段：敌人在哪里，将军？
General Hay, archival footage : Well I think right now they're North of us, and some on the West, but we'll find them, don't you worry about it.
海将军，档案录像：嗯，我想现在他们在我们北部，有些在西部，但我们会找到他们的，你不用担心。
David Maraniss : General Hay, the commanding general, was being told by Westmoreland that he wasn't aggressive enough.
大卫·马拉尼斯：威斯特摩兰告诉总司令海伊将军，他不够激进。
So Hay, in turn, was putting pressure on his commanders like Terry Allen to go chase down the Viet Cong.
因此，海伊反过来向特里·艾伦等指挥官施加压力，要求他们追击越共。
Jim Shelton : Terry Allen knew that the purpose for him being in there was to make contact and beat 'em up.
吉姆·谢尔顿：特里·艾伦知道他来这里的目的是接触并击败他们。
Tom Hinger : The company commanders are encouraging the platoon leader to get the platoon moving.
汤姆·辛格：连长们正在鼓励排长让排行动起来。
And the battalion commander is encouraging the company commander to get his company moving faster.
营长正在鼓励连长让他的连走得更快。
Gerald Thompson : Colonel Allen, he's up there flying around in a little bubble-chopper, and he'd say "pick up the pace, you're going to slow." And you're carrying 50 pound packs, and not knowing when somebody's going to ambush you.
杰拉尔德·汤普森：艾伦上校，他在那儿开着一架小型泡泡直升机飞来飞去，他会说“加快速度，你会放慢速度的。”你背着 50 磅的背包，不知道什么时候有人会伏击你。
Mike Troyer : He was mad because we weren't going through the jungle fast enough.
迈克·特罗耶：他很生气，因为我们穿过丛林的速度不够快。
Well, get your big ass out of that helicopter and come down here and try it.
好吧，把你的大屁股从直升机上拿出来，到这里来尝试一下。
Jim Shelton : Terry Allen certainly felt the pressure of battalion command.
吉姆谢尔顿：特里艾伦当然感受到了营指挥的压力。
The guy before him had been relieved of command.
他之前的那个人已经被解除了指挥权。
And he certainly didn't want to get relieved of command.
他当然不想被解除指挥权。
By this time, we had become confidants, you know what I mean?
到这个时候，我们已经成为知己了，你明白我的意思吗？
He was telling me stuff that he was thinking about.
他正在告诉我他正在思考的事情。
He did tell me that he had gone home to try to patch up his marriage.
他确实告诉我他已经回家试图修补婚姻。
Jean Ponder Allen : When Terry left to go to war in Vietnam, I set about trying to build some kind of a life for myself in his absence.
让·庞德·艾伦：当特里离开去越南参战时，我开始尝试在他不在的情况下为自己建立某种生活。
I didn't know, really, what it meant to be the wife of somebody in the Army.
我真的不知道成为军人的妻子意味着什么。
It's an incredibly challenging way to live.
这是一种极具挑战性的生活方式。
All of a sudden, you are in a house alone.
突然之间，你一个人呆在房子里。
Assumptions that I had never questioned were being challenged.
我从未质疑过的假设正在受到挑战。
I was being assaulted by these images, what was being shown on television every night in the nightly news.
我被这些图像所攻击，这些图像每天晚上在电视上的晚间新闻中播放。
The bloody combat, the body bags that were coming back, shots of protestors in other parts of the country.
血腥的战斗、运回的尸袋、该国其他地区抗议者的镜头。
And, all of a sudden, there was a whole new dimension to the war in Vietnam that was opened up to me.
突然之间，越南战争向我展现了一个全新的维度。
It was shattering.
真是令人心碎。
It felt as though I had been living a lie.
感觉好像我一直生活在谎言中。
And it did seem like a huge backdrop of Disneyland had all of a sudden been ripped apart, and in its place you saw women and children and soldiers on both sides being blown up and body parts and blood and body bags and people crying.
看起来迪士尼乐园的巨大背景突然被撕裂了，取而代之的是双方的妇女、儿童和士兵被炸毁，尸体残骸、鲜血、裹尸袋和人们在哭泣。
And you had to ask, "What is my role in this?
你必须问：“我在其中扮演什么角色？
What have I done or what am I doing that is keeping this going?
我做了什么或我正在做什么让这一切继续下去？
How am I contributing to this devastation?" And so I began to doubt what it meant to be a military wife.
我对这场灾难有何贡献？”因此我开始怀疑作为一名军人妻子意味着什么。
And, on a more personal level, I began to have serious doubts about our own marriage.
而且，在更个人的层面上，我开始对我们自己的婚姻产生严重怀疑。
And so I did write him a letter, I believe classically known as a "Dear John" letter, saying that I didn't want to be his wife anymore.
所以我确实给他写了一封信，我相信通常被称为“亲爱的约翰”信，说我不想再成为他的妻子。
Jim Shelton : Terry said, "I, I don't, I don't want to be divorced from her, I love her." He had gone home to talk to his wife.
吉姆谢尔顿：特里说，“我，我不，我不想和她离婚，我爱她。”他回家和妻子说话了。
Jean Ponder Allen : I had committed myself so far by my actions that it was impossible for me to turn back.
Jean Ponder Allen：我已经用我的行动做出了自己的承诺，我不可能回头。
And so I told him that it just wasn't any good, that I was going to go ahead with divorce proceedings.
所以我告诉他这没有任何好处，我要继续进行离婚诉讼。
Consuelo Allen : I have a memory of what I understand now was the last day we spent together before he left the next morning.
Consuelo Allen：我记得我现在知道的是他第二天早上离开之前我们在一起度过的最后一天。
He came through the door and he came to find us, and I can remember just saying "You can't go.
他进门来找我们，我记得只是说：“你不能走。
You just, don't leave us, just please don't leave us." And I can remember that I said to him, "I, I'm afraid you're going to die, I think you're going to die." And uh, and then he left.
你只是，不要离开我们，只是请不要离开我们。”我记得我对他说，“我，我担心你会死，我想你会死。”然后呃，然后他就离开了。
Jim Shelton : On the sixteenth of October, Delta and Bravo Companies went into an area where they thought they were going to make contact and they did.
吉姆·谢尔顿：10 月 16 日，达美航空和 Bravo 公司进入了他们认为将要进行接触的地区，而且他们确实做到了。
Clark Welch : It was beautiful.
克拉克·韦尔奇：太美了。
The firing was perfect -- everything was just perfect, perfect, perfect.
射击很完美——一切都很完美，完美，完美。
We're beginning to see more enemy and the bunkers that had been very carefully camouflaged, when you fire at them with machine guns, it knocks the stuff away.
我们开始看到更多的敌人和经过精心伪装的掩体，当你用机关枪向他们射击时，它会把东西击落。
It became clear that we were on the edge of a base camp.
很明显，我们正处于大本营的边缘。
Jim Shelton : Now, we didn't know how many were in there, but we knew that we were getting to a vital organ, if you will.
吉姆谢尔顿：现在，我们不知道里面有多少人，但我们知道我们正在接触一个重要的器官，如果你愿意的话。
David Maraniss : On October 16, General Hay and several of his brigade commanders meet with Terry Allen in the field, and Terry Allen's bosses essentially told him, "We've got the Viet Cong where we want them.
大卫·马拉尼斯：10 月 16 日，海伊将军和他的几位旅指挥官在战场上会见了特里·艾伦，特里·艾伦的上司基本上告诉他，“我们已经把越共带到了我们想要的地方。
Get your ass on the ground with your troops."
和你的部队一起趴在地上。”
Clark Welch : There was a full moon that night.
克拉克·韦尔奇：那天晚上是满月。
I remember the full moon.
我记得满月。
And went to the tent where the briefing was.
然后去了简报会所在的帐篷。
Colonel Allen said, "This is going to be a great day for the Black Lions.
艾伦上校说：“这对黑狮队来说将是伟大的一天。
Tomorrow we're gonna get 'em." And then the colonel said, "This is what we're going to do tomorrow: Delta Company will lead." Eh, eh, yeah.
明天我们就会得到他们。”然后上校说，“这就是我们明天要做的：达美连将带头。” 呃，呃，是的。
"Alpha Company will follow and we're going to follow this route." It's a frontal attack on a fortified position.
“阿尔法公司会跟进，我们也会走这条路。”这是对坚固阵地的正面攻击。
You don't ever do that.
你永远不会这样做。
Jim George, Alpha Company Commander : One of the cardinal rules in tactics, especially in that kind of environment, is you don't go out the same way two times, because the enemy will be waiting on you in an ambush.
吉姆·乔治，阿尔法连长：战术的基本规则之一，尤其是在那种环境下，就是你不要两次同一条路出去，因为敌人会埋伏在你身边。
Clark Welch : I certainly didn't say, "Colonel, that's [expletive] damned asinine." I think I said something like, "What?"
克拉克·韦尔奇：我当然没有说“上校，那是[脏话]该死的愚蠢”。我想我说了类似“什么？”之类的话。
Bud Barrow : Lieutenant Welch said, "Sir," he said, "I believe, I don't think we should go out there tomorrow with just the two companies because," he said, "there, eh, there's quite a bit out there," he said, eh, eh, eh, "they may be a lot more enemy there than we suspect." Colonel Allen said, "Ah, Welch," he said, "You're just gun shy." Well, this really tore up our Company Commander, you know.
巴德·巴罗：韦尔奇中尉说，“长官，”他说，“我相信，我认为我们明天不应该只带着两个连去那里，因为，”他说，“那里，呃，那里有很多人，”他说，呃，呃，呃，“他们那里的敌人可能比我们想象的要多得多。”艾伦上校说：“啊，韦尔奇，”他说，“你只是害羞了。”嗯，这真的让我们的连长很伤心，你知道。
Clark Welch : Worst moment of my life -- Colonel Allen said something about if Welch is gun shy, we'll have Alpha lead.
克拉克·韦尔奇：我一生中最糟糕的时刻——艾伦上校说过，如果韦尔奇不敢开枪，我们就会领先阿尔法。
And he used that word, I believe, gun shy, not coward, but gun shy.
我相信他用了这个词，枪害羞，不是胆小鬼，而是枪害羞。
And Alpha Company commander who is right here, Jim George: "Okay." He, he'd never, he'd never, been in a fight.
阿尔法连连长吉姆·乔治就在这里：“好的。”他，他从来没有，他从来没有，打过架。
Jim George : The deal in the army is that you go into a meeting, you state your disagreement, but when the boss says, "This is the way it's gonna be done" -- when the meeting's over, all the subordinates walk out and say, "This is the way we're gonna do it."
吉姆·乔治：军队里的惯例是，你参加会议，表达你的不同意见，但当老板说，“这就是我们要这样做的方式”时——当会议结束时，所有下属都走出来并说：“这就是我们要这样做的方式。”
Clark Welch : And it just was no, no communication, there was no, we didn't have a discussion, there's no communication.
克拉克·韦尔奇：就是没有，没有沟通，没有，我们没有进行讨论，没有沟通。
And I said, "Alright sir, Black Lions."
我说：“好吧，黑狮先生。”
Student with megaphone, archival footage : Dow produces napalm.
拿着扩音器的学生，档案片段：陶氏化学公司生产凝固汽油弹。
And I ask you to think it over, to go to your newspapers.
我请你考虑一下，去看看你的报纸。
Explain what your position is.
解释一下你的立场是什么。
They don't understand you.
他们不理解你。
They don't understand what kind of weapon this is.
他们不明白这是什么武器。
Paul Soglin : It gets back to the question of do we have a responsibility to stand up at some point and say "Wait, no, this is wrong and if we say no enough times in these instances, maybe we can have an effect."
保罗·索格林：这又回到了一个问题，即我们是否有责任在某个时候站起来说“等等，不，这是错误的，如果我们在这些情况下说得不够多，也许我们可以产生效果。”
Jim Rowen : This demonstration was going to be different.
Jim Rowen：这次演示将会有所不同。
There was going to be an escalation of tactics, and an escalation of personal risk.
战术将会升级，个人风险也会升级。
The goal was to obstruct the recruitment, by Dow, of students who were looking for jobs after graduation.
其目的是阻止陶氏公司招聘毕业后寻找工作的学生。
And we knew that that was a violation of the law.
我们知道这违反了法律。
You might end up in jail.
你最终可能会入狱。
You could find yourself expelled from school and in those days, you know, expulsion from school could be a ticket to the war.
你可能会发现自己被学校开除，在那些日子里，你知道，被学校开除可能是一张通往战争的门票。
Jack Cipperly : We knew of course there was going to be a demonstration in the Commerce Building.
Jack Cipperly：我们当然知道商业大楼将会举行示威活动。
But I think there was a strong feeling that, well, if they want to block it, let's just let them block it for a while and see if we can wait them out.
但我认为有一种强烈的感觉，好吧，如果他们想阻止它，我们就让他们阻止它一段时间，看看我们是否可以等他们出来。
I did notice that there were some legislators over on the side observing this and I thought to myself, this is not going to go down well with them.
我确实注意到旁边有一些立法者在观察这一点，我心想，这不会让他们满意。
And I felt that there was going to be a reckoning at some time in the future.
我觉得未来某个时候将会有一场清算。
Maurice Zeitlin : The University of Wisconsin was a short walk from the state capitol, where the legislature and the governor met daily.
Maurice Zeitlin：威斯康星大学距离州议会大厦仅几步之遥，立法机关和州长每天都在那里开会。
Governor Knowles was on the telephone excoriating the Chancellor of the University, William Sewell, for not taking action against these disruptive students.
诺尔斯州长在电话中谴责大学校长威廉·休厄尔没有对这些扰乱秩序的学生采取行动。
Jack Cipperly : There was sort of an unwritten expectation that Madison Police would take care of patrolling Madison, and University of Wisconsin police officers would take care of the campus.
杰克·西珀利：有一种不成文的期望，麦迪逊警察将负责麦迪逊的巡逻，威斯康星大学的警察将负责校园。
David Maraniss : Most of the city cops were from the east side of Madison, the working class side of town.
大卫·马拉尼斯：大多数城市警察都来自麦迪逊东区，即城镇的工人阶级一侧。
To them, the university on the west side was a foreign world.
对于他们来说，西侧的大学就是一个陌生的世界。
Keith Hackett, Madison Police : We would run into students on State Street where a person like me, who was from a farming community, would begin to realize that there was a different, different society out there, as far as students.
基思·哈克特，麦迪逊警察：我们会在州街遇到学生，像我这样来自农业社区的人会开始意识到，就学生而言，那里有一个不同的、不同的社会。
A lot of them from the East Coast, a lot of money, new cars, nothing they couldn't buy.
他们中很多人来自东海岸，有很多钱，有新车，没有买不到的东西。
Tom McCarthy, Madison Police : I used to ride the bus to work and there was this one guy who would get on the bus and he would just condemn and scream and holler about the government and about how mean they were.
汤姆·麦卡锡（Tom McCarthy），麦迪逊警察局：我过去常常乘坐公共汽车去上班，有一个人上了公共汽车，他只是谴责、尖叫和大喊政府以及他们是多么卑鄙。
And I just looked at him and I said, "You know, if they ever wanted to drop the atom bomb as a test, they could drop it right on top of the university and I wouldn't give a [expletive]." He never said another word.
我只是看着他，然后说：“你知道，如果他们想投下原子弹作为测试，他们可以把它投在大学的顶上，我不会[咒骂]。”他再也没有说过一句话。
Keith Hackett : They were young and dumb.
基思·哈克特：他们年轻又愚蠢。
And they didn't really have any idea what they were doing and they thought this was a way for them to show their patriotism, and it wasn't.
他们真的不知道自己在做什么，他们认为这是他们表达爱国主义的一种方式，但事实并非如此。
If you want to run this by anarchy, which is what they were trying to do, then you have a fight on your hands.
如果你想通过无政府状态来管理这一切，这正是他们试图做的，那么你就面临着一场战斗。
Vo Minh Triet : B-52s dropped bombs that night, so I knew they'd attack the next morning.
Vo Minh Triet：B-52 那天晚上投下了炸弹，所以我知道他们第二天早上就会发动攻击。
Where I was, there was one lone tree left standing.
我所在的地方，有一棵孤独的树矗立着。
On this tree, a monkey kept climbing up and then halfway down the tree.
在这棵树上，一只猴子不断地爬上树，然后又爬到树的半边。
The soldiers asked for permission to shoot the monkey, because they hadn't eaten for five days.
士兵们请求允许射杀猴子，因为他们已经五天没有吃饭了。
I thought of the monkey, how similar its situation was to ours.
我想到了那只猴子，它的处境和我们多么相似。
It just wanted to live, like us.
它只是想活下去，就像我们一样。
I ordered the soldiers not to shoot it.
我命令士兵们不要开枪。
Clark Welch : When we came in for breakfast that morning, I would say you're going to be in a big fight today.
克拉克·韦尔奇：那天早上我们进来吃早餐时，我会说你今天将会经历一场激烈的战斗。
You got plenty of ammunition?
你有足够的弹药吗？
"Oh, yes, Sir.
“噢，是的，先生。
Yes, Sir, Black Lions, Black Lions."
是的，先生，黑狮，黑狮。”
Mike Troyer : Well, they told us we were going to a place that was going to be pretty rough and that's all.
迈克·特罗耶：嗯，他们告诉我们我们要去一个非常艰苦的地方，仅此而已。
They didn't tell us what was waiting on us.
他们没有告诉我们等待我们的是什么。
You had no choice; you just went.
你别无选择；你刚刚走了。
Clark Welch : I do not believe that Colonel Allen had ever moved with a Command Group on the ground until the 17th.
克拉克·韦尔奇：我不相信艾伦上校在 17 日之前曾带着指挥组在地面上行动过。
And he showed up with, I think, 13 people -- Jesus [expletive]!
我想他和 13 个人一起出现了——天啊[脏话]！
Mike Troyer : Alpha Company was leading, and right behind Alpha Company was Delta Company.
Mike Troyer：Alpha 公司领先，Alpha 公司紧随其后的是 Delta 公司。
There was like a hundred and thirty of us, and I thought well this is one of the biggest forces we've ever sent out.
我们大约有一百三十人，我想这是我们派出的最大的部队之一。
There's no way they're going to mess with us.
他们不可能来惹我们的。
Vo Minh Triet : The battalion commanders had scouts who would climb the high trees.
Vo Minh Triet：营长们有侦察兵，他们会爬上高树。
They would observe the enemy and report back.
他们会观察敌人并报告。
They'd tap the trees to let me know they received my orders.
他们会敲击树木，让我知道他们收到了我的命令。
We let the enemy approach, coming in close until they were in firing range.
我们让敌人靠近，直到他们进入射程。
Mike Arias, Private : I happened to see a tree move to my left front.
迈克·阿里亚斯（Mike Arias），二等兵：我碰巧看到一棵树移到了我的左前方。
I don't remember who was sitting behind me, but I did tap him on his shoulder and I pointed to the tree and I took my M-16 and I put it on automatic, and then he looked at it and he goes "Oh, there's nothing there."
我不记得谁坐在我后面，但我确实拍了拍他的肩膀，指着树，拿起我的 M-16，把它调到自动档，然后他看了看，然后说道：“哦，那里什么也没有。”
Tom Hinger : Suddenly, there was this series of clicking sounds, and then the battle started.
汤姆·辛格：突然，听到一连串的咔哒声，然后战斗开始了。
It sounded like every weapon in the world was being fired at that point from, from all directions on us.
听起来世界上所有的武器都在从各个方向向我们发射。
Ernie Buentiempo : I saw Breeden fall, I saw Carrasco fall, and I saw Gribble fall.
Ernie Buentiempo：我看到布里登倒下，我看到卡拉斯科倒下，我看到格里布尔倒下。
Bud Barrow : We heard a lot of fire ahead of us, which we knew was Alpha Company.
巴德·巴罗：我们听到前面有很多火声，我们知道那是阿尔法连。
Mike Troyer : They were firing out of the trees.
迈克·特罗耶：他们从树林里开枪。
They were firing out of bunkers.
他们从掩体中开火。
All you could shoot at was muzzle flashes.
你所能射击的只有枪口的闪光。
Jim Shelton : We had 160 men and they had 1,400 men, okay?
吉姆谢尔顿：我们有 160 人，他们有 1,400 人，好吗？
Ten to one.
十比一。
It was ten to one.
比分是十比一。
Vo Minh Triet : We had more soldiers than they did, but we didn't have the same firepower.
Vo Minh Triet：我们的士兵比他们多，但我们没有相同的火力。
We would fight very close to them, only ten or fifteen meters away.
我们会在离他们很近的地方战斗，只有十到十五米远。
When we stayed close to them, they couldn't bomb us.
当我们靠近他们时，他们就无法轰炸我们。
Ernie Buentiempo : Within a few minutes, I guess whatever I couldn't tell, a huge claymore mine went off.
Ernie Buentiempo：几分钟之内，我猜想，无论我无法告诉什么，一个巨大的克莱莫地雷爆炸了。
It hit Farrow, hit Sergeant Johnson who was laying next to me.
它击中了法罗，击中了躺在我旁边的约翰逊中士。
To this day I see him.
直到今天我还见到他。
[SIGHS] He was just laying there in blood.
[叹气]他躺在那里，浑身是血。
Clark Welch : Alpha Company disappeared.
克拉克·韦尔奇：阿尔法公司消失了。
And now the firing was directed against us, against Delta Company.
现在，射击是针对我们，针对三角洲连。
Vo Minh Triet : At that point, we brought in the third battalion, so we had the enemy on three sides.
武明哲：当时我们调来了第三个营，所以我们在三个方向都有敌人。
Clark Welch : But it was the second bunch of firing that started killing my guys.
克拉克·韦尔奇：但第二次开火才开始杀死我的人。
And when I came back to see Colonel Allen, I said "Do something!" You know, "Bring artillery, give me the artillery!
当我回来见到艾伦上校时，我说：“做点什么吧！”你知道，“带上大炮，给我大炮！
Give me the command!
给我命令！
Give me something!" I thought about the, the "Mutiny on the Bounty" there, that, that ran through my mind that, you know, should I take over?
给我东西！”我想到了那里的“赏金兵变”，那件事在我脑海中闪过，你知道，我应该接手吗？
Bud Barrow : But they was coming right in on us.
巴德·巴罗：但他们正向我们袭来。
I seen one run up to one of our machine gunners and blow a claymore mine.
我看到一个人跑向我们的一名机枪手并炸毁了一枚克莱莫地雷。
Clark Welch : Sikorski, our machine gunner's dead.
克拉克·韦尔奇：西科尔斯基，我们的机枪手死了。
"Somebody else get the gun, get the gun." I didn't give him that much time.
“别人拿枪，拿枪。”我没有给他那么多时间。
Too many people were dead, too many people were wounded, I could not, I couldn't even have run away because that would have left Alpha Company's dead and wounded.
太多人死了，太多人受伤了，我不能，我什至不能逃跑，因为那样会让阿尔法连死伤。
Bud Barrow : Lieutenant Welch -- he was moving around among the people, telling them where to fire.
巴德·巴罗：韦尔奇中尉——他在人群中走动，告诉他们向哪里开火。
I seen him get hit, at least two times, and I seen him fall a couple of times and he'd get right back up.
我看到他被击中，至少两次，我看到他摔倒了几次，然后他马上又站了起来。
Clark Welch : It's good for the men to see that you're up and moving because if you're cowering down it makes them think it's really bad.
克拉克·韦尔奇：对于男人们来说，看到你站起来并行动起来是件好事，因为如果你畏缩着，他们会认为这真的很糟糕。
And I came to the Colonel and he's looking at a picture.
我来到上校那里，他正在看一张照片。
And my words to him were, "What the hell are you doing looking at a picture?
我对他说的是：“你到底在看照片做什么？
And I'm gonna fire artillery..." And then he said, "No, you can't fire artillery because Alpha's the lead." "Sir, Alpha Company is gone.
我要发射大炮……”然后他说，“不，你不能发射大炮，因为阿尔法是领先者。” “长官，阿尔法连已经消失了。
I'm firing." And a bullet came overhead and hit him, right in the helmet, but it just blew the top part of his head away.
我要开枪了。”一颗子弹从头顶飞过，击中了他的头盔，但只是把他的头顶炸飞了。
And when he fell forward he fell like that, and I could then see that it was a picture of the three little girls.
当他向前摔倒的时候，他就这样摔倒了，然后我就看到那是三个小女孩的照片。
Mike Troyer : Anybody that was in the shade was safe.
Mike Troyer：任何在阴凉处的人都是安全的。
Anybody that was in the sunshine was getting shot.
任何在阳光下的人都会被枪杀。
Tom Colburn, Private : I can't remember his last name, but he's looking at me, you know, saying, reaching out saying, "Help me, help me." And every time he tried to move to get some cover, they'd, they'd shoot him.
汤姆·科尔伯恩（Tom Colburn），二等兵：我不记得他的姓氏，但他看着我，你知道，他伸出手说：“帮帮我，帮帮我。”每次他试图移动寻找掩护时，他们都会开枪射杀他。
If I got over the fear and felt more braver, I probably could have ran out there and saved his life, you know.
如果我克服了恐惧并感到更加勇敢，我可能会跑出去救他的命，你知道。
Be like Superman, you know?
像超人一样，你知道吗？
Just run out, grab him, pull him back.
赶紧跑出去，抓住他，把他拉回来。
And all of a sudden they disappeared.
突然间他们就消失了。
It was all over, I mean, it was g-they were gone.
一切都结束了，我的意思是，他们消失了。
Vo Minh Triet : When the enemy attacked, we had no choice but to fight them.
武明哲：当敌人进攻时，我们别无选择，只能与他们战斗。
But we were late for our next battle.
但我们下一场战斗迟到了。
So we left.
所以我们离开了。
Mike Troyer : I went through I don't know how many different bodies, crawling around out there, trying to find somebody that was alive.
迈克·特罗耶：我不知道有多少具不同的尸体在外面爬行，试图找到还活着的人。
I mean there were people with no faces, arm, legs missing.
我的意思是有些人没有脸，没有胳膊，没有腿。
Clark Welch : I was there when the firing stopped.
克拉克·韦尔奇：射击停止时我就在那里。
I do not know when I became unconscious the final time.
我不知道我最后一次昏迷是什么时候。
Bud Barrow : I looked around and everything was just dead silence.
巴德·巴罗：我环顾四周，一切都死一般寂静。
It was just such a lonely feeling.
那只是一种孤独的感觉。
But there was no noise, and I remembered hollering, "Can anybody hear me?" And after I hollered that a couple of times I heard someone off a short, a short distance away said, "Yeah, we're over here." Said, "Who is it?" And I told him, I said, "This is First Ser-First Sergeant Barrow." And he said -- I don't know where he learnt this crap, I, they, they teach it at the Army -- but I remembered him saying, "Who's president of the United States?" So, I told him, and he said, "Who won the World Series?" And then, I'm not a sport person, and I remembered saying, "Oh, who in the Hell knows who, who won the damned World Series?
但没有任何噪音，我记得我喊道：“有人能听到我吗？”在我喊了几次之后，我听到不远处有人说：“是的，我们到了。”说道：“是谁啊？”我告诉他，我说，“这是巴罗中士一等。”他说——我不知道他从哪里学到这些废话，我，他们，他们在军队里教的——但我记得他说，“谁是美国总统？”所以，我告诉他，他说：“谁赢得了世界职业棒球大赛？”然后，我不是一个体育爱好者，我记得我说过：“哦，谁知道谁赢得了该死的世界职业棒球大赛？
Who cares?" I said, "[expletive] dammit, this is the First Sergeant," and I started cussing and going on, and then I heard another man that was with him speak up and said, "Yeah, yeah," said, "That's First Sergeant."
谁在乎呢？”我说，“[咒骂]该死，这是第一军士长，”然后我开始咒骂，然后我听到和他在一起的另一个人说话，说，“是的，是的，”说，“那是第一军士长。”
Clark Welch : One hundred and forty-two Americans went out.
克拉克·韦尔奇：一百四十二名美国人走出去。
Sixty-four died as a result of that fight.
那场战斗导致六十四人死亡。
And almost everyone else was wounded.
几乎其他人都受伤了。
We were just massacred, just massacred.
我们刚刚被屠杀了，刚刚被屠杀了。
And my men, my men.
还有我的男人们，我的男人们。
What, what can you do?
什么，你能做什么？
You know, uh -- just massacred.
你知道，呃——刚刚被屠杀了。
Nguyen Van Lam, Viet Cong : We snuck back to examine the battlefield.
Nguyen Van Lam，越共：我们偷偷回来查看战场。
I thought, "Holy [expletive].
我想，“神圣的[脏话]。
Did we kill them all?" What we saw made us shudder.
我们把他们都杀了吗？”我们所看到的让我们不寒而栗。
Because we saw how small we were compared to them, as small as one of their thighs.
因为我们看到我们与他们相比是多么渺小，只有他们的一根大腿那么小。
I never understood why the Americans came to our country.
我一直不明白美国人为什么来到我们国家。
Maybe they thought Vietnam was rich, so they came over and attacked us.
也许他们认为越南很富有，所以他们过来攻击我们。
Diane Sikorski : On October 17, I went to bed, and I woke up with the most intense dream that I thought it was real.
黛安·西科尔斯基：10 月 17 日，我上床睡觉，醒来时做了一个最强烈的梦，我以为这是真的。
I heard my brother calling my name, and the vision that I saw, he had his arms out and when I looked at him there was a giant hole in his stomach, and it was just so, so real.
我听到我的兄弟呼唤我的名字，我看到的异象是，他伸出双臂，当我看着他时，他的肚子上有一个巨大的洞，这一切是如此、如此真实。
And that nightmare just scared the daylights out of me.
那个噩梦简直把我吓得魂飞魄散。
Jane Brotman : When I got up in the morning, I knew nothing about the planned demonstration against Dow.
简·布罗特曼：当我早上起床时，我对计划中的反对道琼斯指数的示威活动一无所知。
What was on my mind that day was that the following day I was going to be having my very first six-week exam at the University in my French literature class.
那天我脑子里想的是，第二天我将在大学参加法国文学课的第一次为期六周的考试。
At some point, as I'm climbing up the hill, I hear some musical instruments.
有时候，当我爬上山的时候，我听到一些乐器的声音。
In front of the Commerce Building there were a group of students and they were chanting and they were walking around in a circle.
商业楼前有一群学生，他们唱着口号，围着一圈走着。
I was absolutely not a protestor that day.
那天我绝对不是抗议者。
I felt angry at people who were against the war and, and, and antagonistic toward people who were, um, actively protesting the war.
我对那些反对战争的人感到愤怒，并且对那些积极抗议战争的人感到愤怒。
Mark Greenside : The decision was made to peacefully sit-in and obstruct, block the interviews, stop them from happening.
马克·格林赛德：我们决定和平静坐并阻挠、阻止采访、阻止采访的发生。
Not allow Dow to recruit.
不允许陶氏招募。
So, we marched into the hallway.
于是，我们大步走进了走廊。
There were hundreds of us.
我们有数百人。
Jim Rowen : By that point, we were packed in so tightly, you couldn't, you literally couldn't move.
吉姆·罗文（Jim Rowen）：到那时，我们已经挤得很紧，你不能，你根本无法移动。
No one thought about getting hurt.
没有人想到会受伤。
We were there in the spirit of the civil rights movement -- nonviolent protest.
我们本着民权运动的精神——非暴力抗议来到那里。
You submit to arrest.
你服从逮捕。
You're making a personal commitment and a moral statement.
您正在做出个人承诺和道德声明。
David Maraniss : There was always this sense that the campus was a protected haven of free speech, apart from the rest of the city.
David Maraniss：人们总有这样一种感觉，即校园是言论自由的受保护天堂，与城市的其他地方不同。
But Chancellor Sewell was under enormous pressure and he had no idea how to diffuse the situation.
但休厄尔议长承受着巨大的压力，他不知道如何化解局面。
He called the chief of the Madison police for help.
他打电话给麦迪逊警察局长寻求帮助。
It was the first time the Madison police had been brought onto the University campus.
这是麦迪逊警察第一次进入大学校园。
Jack Cipperly : I was specifically assigned to be in the Commerce hallway to maintain communication with the students.
Jack Cipperly：我被专门分配到商业走廊，与学生保持沟通。
All of a sudden there was an electric tension in the hallway.
突然间，走廊里充满了电流般的紧张气氛。
And a fellow named Billy Simons came up to me and I knew Billy from the time he was a freshman, he said, "Dean Cipperly, there is police out by the Carillon Tower".
一个叫比利·西蒙斯的家伙向我走来，我从比利还是一年级学生时就认识他了，他说，“迪恩·西珀利，钟琴塔旁边有警察”。
And I saw the Madison police officers out there.
我看到麦迪逊警察在那里。
Keith Hackett : We didn't know what to expect, we just knew that there was only about 30 of us and we were way outnumbered.
Keith Hackett：我们不知道会发生什么，我们只知道我们只有大约 30 个人，而且我们的人数远远少于我们。
Maurice Zeitlin : I was in my office, working on my research when a number of students barged through the door and said, "Professor Zeitlin, Professor Zeitlin, you've got to come, the police are massing outside of the Commerce Building.
莫里斯·蔡特林：我当时正在办公室里进行研究，这时一些学生闯进门说：“蔡特林教授，蔡特林教授，你必须来，警察正在商业大楼外面集结。
It looks like they're going to go in there and they're going to start beating up students." So I dash across the street to the Commerce Building.
看起来他们要进去并开始殴打学生。”于是我就冲过街去商业大厦。
Standing there, wearing helmets and carrying billy clubs, really prepared for war, were the police from the city of Madison.
站在那儿的，是来自麦迪逊市的警察，他们戴着头盔，手持警棍，真正做好了战争准备。
I dashed to Bascom Hall to see my senior colleague, the new Chancellor of the University of Wisconsin, a man for whom I had the deepest respect, a close friendship, William Sewell.
我冲到巴斯科姆大厅去见我的资深同事、威斯康星大学新任校长威廉·休厄尔，我对他怀有最深切的敬意和亲密的友谊。
I dashed in there and I said, "Bill, you don't know what's happening!
我冲进去说：“比尔，你不知道发生了什么事！
The Poli...!" He says, "I do know what's happening and I can't do anything to stop it." I said, "But who called the police?" And he said, "I called the police." And that was a profoundly, that was a profound shock.
波利……！”他说：“我确实知道发生了什么事，但我无能为力阻止它。”我说：“但是谁报警了？”他说：“我报了警。”这是一个深刻的、深刻的震惊。
Keith Hackett : The University had wanted us to go in and, and clear the building, and they didn't say how.
Keith Hackett：大学希望我们进去并清理大楼，但他们没有说明如何进行。
They just said, "We want them removed." And we said, "Fine."
他们只是说：“我们希望将它们移除。”我们说：“好吧。”
Jane Brotman : I see this man.
简·布罗特曼：我看到这个人了。
He had a bullhorn and he made this announcement that anyone who wanted to leave the Commerce Building should leave now because in two minutes the police were going to be entering the building and they were going to be arresting anyone who was there.
他有一个扩音器，他宣布任何想要离开商业大楼的人都应该立即离开，因为两分钟后警察将进入大楼，他们将逮捕在场的任何人。
But the thing that happened was that not, I don't think even 10 or 20 seconds elapsed when all of a sudden the, the police stormed the building and I remember they had these billy clubs and they were breaking the glass doors of the Commerce Building.
但发生的事情是，我想不到 10 或 20 秒，警察突然冲进了大楼，我记得他们拿着这些比利棍，他们正在打破商业大楼的玻璃门。
Keith Hackett : When the window went out, everything, everything turned loose.
基思·哈克特：当窗户消失时，一切都变得松散了。
They turned loose, we turned loose and it was a matter of who's going to win.
他们放松了，我们也放松了，现在的问题是谁会赢。
Jim Rowen : A new sound emerged out of the commotion.
吉姆·罗文：骚乱中出现了一种新的声音。
It sounded like somebody breaking watermelons with a baseball bat.
听起来就像有人用棒球棒打碎西瓜。
That was pretty frightening because we were trapped and this sound was approaching.
这非常可怕，因为我们被困住了，而且这个声音正在逼近。
Paul Soglin : Just in an instant they came at me and grabbed me.
Paul Soglin：就在一瞬间，他们向我扑来并抓住了我。
They just proceeded to alternatively club me, and somebody just whacked me on the base of the spine.
他们只是继续用棍棒打我，然后有人猛击我的脊椎底部。
Keith Hackett : You either grab somebody, you hit somebody, you knock them down, and you step over them.
基思·哈克特：你要么抓住某人，要么打某人，要么击倒他们，要么跨过他们。
The line behind you picks that guy up, throws him back to the line behind, who takes him and throws him out the doors that we just came in.
你后面的队伍把那个人捡起来，把他扔回后面的队伍，后面的队伍把他抱起来，把他扔到我们刚进来的门外。
Literally, we had stacked up bodies like cordwood between the doors.
从字面上看，我们把尸体像木柴一样堆放在门之间。
Jane Brotman : People were trying to get out and, as the people were trying to get out, they were beating people up with billy clubs.
简·布罗特曼：人们试图逃跑，当人们试图逃跑时，他们用棍棒殴打人们。
You know, eh, as hard as they could.
你知道，呃，尽他们所能。
You could hear the whack.
你可以听到敲击声。
Sixty-five people were sent to the hospital.
六十五人被送往医院。
It was the most brutal and violent thing I had ever witnessed in my life up until then and continues to be the most brutal and violent thing I have ever witnessed in my life.
迄今为止，这是我一生中见过的最残酷和暴力的事情，并且仍然是我一生中见过的最残酷和暴力的事情。
Paul Soglin : These officers were pissed.
Paul Soglin：这些官员很生气。
There's no question that they wanted to inflict some damage.
毫无疑问，他们想要造成一些损害。
They were speaking through those, those clubs.
他们是通过那些俱乐部说话的。
Jim Rowen : The authorities seemed not to be interested in arresting people as much as they were interested in attacking the demonstrators.
吉姆·罗文：当局似乎对逮捕人不感兴趣，而对攻击示威者更感兴趣。
Keith Hackett : And it wasn't revenge on anything.
Keith Hackett：这并不是对任何事情的报复。
If you got a student, you tried to make sure that he didn't return, that he didn't want to come back.
如果你有一个学生，你会尽力确保他不会回来，或者他不想回来。
And if that meant, you know, breaking his kneecap, that's what you did.
如果这意味着，你知道，打断他的膝盖骨，那就是你所做的。
Maurice Zeitlin : Police were yelling and they were smashing the kids.
Maurice Zeitlin：警察大喊大叫，他们正在殴打孩子们。
It was horrendous, you know, and I'm standing outside of the building and, and I was naive enough to say to them, "I'm a member of the faculty, my name is Professor Maurice Zeitlin" and while I'm giving this silly speech to the police, a police officer swung at me, students jumped on the police officer, there was a melee, I was on the bottom of this.
你知道，这太可怕了，我站在大楼外面，天真地对他们说，“我是教职员工，我的名字是莫里斯·蔡特林教授”，当我向警察发表这个愚蠢的演讲时，一名警察向我挥拳，学生们跳到警察身上，发生了一场混战，我陷入了困境。
And I could actually hear the thud of club on body.
我实际上可以听到球杆敲击身体的撞击声。
Jack Cipperly : I saw a policeman raise his club and I thought he was about to hit a student and I couldn't help myself, I just grabbed him, he had a face mask on, and it wasn't until I was inches away from his face, I realized he was a person that I had gone to high school with, and I said, "Jerry, what are you doing?" And he said to me, the same thing, "Jack, what are you doing?"
杰克·西珀利：我看到一个警察举起了他的棍棒，我以为他要打一个学生，我控制不住，我抓住了他，他戴着口罩，直到我离他的脸只有几英寸远，我才意识到他是一个和我一起上高中的人，我说，“杰里，你在做什么？”他对我说了同样的话，“杰克，你在做什么？”
Jane Brotman : All of a sudden there were about 4,000 people watching this scene because people were either coming to class or leaving class.
Jane Brotman：突然有大约 4,000 人观看了这一场景，因为人们不是来上课就是下课。
I remember people starting to scream, "Sieg Heil!
我记得人们开始尖叫：“Sieg Heil！
Sieg Heil!"
齐格·海尔！”
Maurice Zeitlin : In fact, that event, the police smashing students, politicized students who didn't even know the war was going on.
莫里斯·蔡特林：事实上，那次事件中，警察殴打学生，将甚至不知道战争正在发生的学生政治化。
But when they saw, on their own campus, their fellow students being smashed by police, it was natural for them to turn out.
但当他们在自己的校园里看到自己的同学被警察殴打时，他们很自然地就会站出来。
It was in their nature.
这是他们的本性。
Keith Hackett : I mean, the crowd just seemed to swell.
Keith Hackett：我的意思是，人群似乎在膨胀。
Bricks were coming, rocks were coming, spit, anything you could think of.
砖头来了，石头来了，吐口水，任何你能想到的东西都来了。
I had never seen the hate that I saw in these kids' faces, you know, towards us.
我从来没有在这些孩子的脸上看到过对我们的仇恨。
Tom McCarthy : A half a brick came flying over and hit me flush in the face and knocked me cold, knocked me out.
汤姆·麦卡锡：一块半块砖头飞过来，砸在我脸上，把我打晕了。
Keith Hackett : Everything was out of control.
基思·哈克特：一切都失去了控制。
And somebody -- and I'm not sure who -- ordered up tear gas.
有人——我不确定是谁——下令发射催泪瓦斯。
Jane Brotman : And all of a sudden, my eyes started stinging and there was this odor, this, this funny smell.
简·布罗特曼：突然之间，我的眼睛开始刺痛，并且有这种气味，这种奇怪的气味。
Jim Rowen : And it went into classrooms, and, you know, there were professors stumbling out of buildings, who had been tear gassed.
吉姆·罗文：它进入了教室，你知道，有些教授被催泪瓦斯击中，跌跌撞撞地走出大楼。
My head was just spinning.
我的头在旋转。
I thought everything had changed, everything was different now.
我以为一切都变了，现在一切都不同了。
Tom Hinger : On a normal rifle company, if it took twenty helicopters to move us in and out of a night defensive position, and this day there were five helicopters.
汤姆·辛格：对于一个普通的步枪连来说，如果需要二十架直升机来让我们进出夜间防御阵地，而今天有五架直升机。
And this sergeant was standing there, this grizzled sergeant, and the tears were just running down his face and he said, "My God, sir, is that all that's left?"
这位中士站在那里，这位头发花白的中士，泪水顺着他的脸流下来，他说：“我的上帝，长官，这就是剩下的一切了吗？”
Jim Shelton : The next call I got was Major Shelton, go down and identify bodies.
吉姆谢尔顿：我接到的下一个电话是谢尔顿少校，下去辨认尸体。
So I went down and I saw all my buddies.
所以我下去了，我看到了我所有的伙伴。
I just felt like how could anything be worth this?
我只是觉得这怎么可能值得呢？
Mike Troyer : In some of these body bags there was just parts.
迈克·特罗耶：有些裹尸袋里只有零件。
And this one body bag, I told this mortician, whatever he was, I said, "If that arm, with that 101st Airborne tattoo, belongs to the rest of those parts in that bag, I know who it is," and I identified that as Schroeder.
我告诉这个运尸袋，不管他是谁，我说，“如果那只带有第 101 空降师纹身的手臂属于那个运尸袋中的其他部分，我就知道他是谁，”我确认那是施罗德。
Jim Shelton : I was kind of wandering around in a daze, and I heard trucks, and on these trucks there was American soldiers in brand new uniforms, and I just stood there looking at them.
吉姆谢尔顿：我有点茫然地四处闲逛，我听到卡车的声音，这些卡车上有穿着全新制服的美国士兵，我只是站在那里看着他们。
That's the new battalion, new meat.
那是新的营，新的肉。
These guys were all replacements for all our guys.
这些人都是我们所有人的替代者。
Clark Welch : I remember waking up on a table.
克拉克·韦尔奇：我记得在一张桌子上醒来。
I'd been shot in the left arm.
我的左臂中弹了。
I'd been shot in the chest.
我的胸部中弹了。
I'd been shot in the right arm and I'd been shot in the right leg.
我的右臂中弹，右腿中弹。
Everything had been shot except for my left leg.
除了我的左腿外，全身都被枪杀了。
A beautiful woman was leaning over me and saying, "Lieutenant Welch, it's going to be all right.
一位美丽的女士俯身对我说：“韦尔奇中尉，一切都会好起来的。
You're going to be all right." And then she stepped forward, and I grabbed her, and what I said to her is, "My Delta, my Delta, what has happened to my Delta?
你会没事的。”然后她走上前，我抓住了她，我对她说的是，“我的德尔塔，我的德尔塔，我的德尔塔怎么了？
Where is my Delta?" And she said, "Delta's gone." And then that's all I remember.
我的德尔塔在哪里？”她说：“达美航空走了。”然后我就只记得这些了。
Bert Quint, archival footage : In the search and destroy operations that characterize the war in this part of Vietnam, it's usually a case of "search and not find".
伯特·昆特（Bert Quint），档案片段：在越南这一地区战争的搜索和摧毁行动中，通常是“搜索但找不到”的情况。
This time, practically by accident, the Americans and the Viet Cong did find each other.
这一次，美国人和越共确实找到了对方，这几乎是偶然的。
Tom Hinger : We were ordered to make ourselves available in front of the Alpha Company area.
汤姆·辛格：我们接到命令，要在阿尔法连区域前待命。
They had set some chairs up.
他们已经摆好了一些椅子。
Mike Arias : And we were debriefed before we went into the hooch to interview with CBS news, that we were not to mention that it was an ambush.
迈克·阿里亚斯：在我们进入地下室接受哥伦比亚广播公司新闻采访之前，我们收到了汇报，我们没有提到这是一次伏击。
From my perspective, I was pissed because it was an ambush.
从我的角度来看，我很生气，因为这是一次伏击。
I felt at that time and I still do now, that there was a cover up.
我当时和现在仍然觉得，有一个掩盖。
General Westmoreland, archival footage : We have a pretty good idea of the enemy troops in this area.
威斯特摩兰将军，档案镜头：我们对这一地区的敌军有了很好的了解。
We have quite a bit of intelligence on this particular regiment.
我们对这个特定团有相当多的情报。
Reporter, archival footage : What happens now, sir?
记者，档案录像：先生，现在发生了什么？
General Hay, archival footage : What happens now?
海将军，档案片段：现在发生了什么？
What happens now is we continue to work on them until we destroy them.
现在发生的事情是我们继续研究它们，直到我们摧毁它们。
This is what I had hoped we could do for a long time is get them to stay in one place.
这是我长期以来希望我们能做的事情，就是让他们留在一个地方。
Jim Shelton : I understand why General Hay didn't want to use the word "ambush", because an ambush means you're incompetent.
吉姆·谢尔顿：我明白为什么海伊将军不想用“伏击”这个词，因为伏击意味着你无能。
The problem was what was said about it was a spin, which made it sound like this battle was part of something bigger which was very successful.
问题是，人们所说的这是一场旋转，这使得这场战斗听起来像是一场非常成功的更大事情的一部分。
News Anchor, archival footage : In Vietnam, the first infantry division in a costly bitter battle with the Viet Cong in the Iron triangle forty miles northwest of Saigon, has reportedly smashed a guerilla plan to overrun Saigon itself.
新闻主播，档案片段：在越南，第一个步兵师在西贡西北四十英里的铁三角地区与越共进行了一场代价高昂的苦战，据报道粉碎了一项侵占西贡的游击计划。
The battle took place yesterday between fifteen hundred Americans and twenty-five hundred Viet Cong.
昨天，一千五百名美国人和两千五百名越共之间发生了这场战斗。
Before the fighting ended, 58 Americans were dead including Lieutenant Colonel Terry Allen Jr., son of the World War II general who commanded the first division in Europe.
战斗结束前，已有 58 名美国人死亡，其中包括指挥欧洲第一师的二战将军之子小特里·艾伦中校。
Jim Shelton : It was a total fabrication of what really happened.
吉姆·谢尔顿：这完全是对真实发生的事情的捏造。
It kind of, like it showed, like a victory.
就像它所表现的那样，这有点像一场胜利。
"The Americans held them off, bah, bah, bah, bah, 103 enemy killed" and all this stuff, and that haunted me.
“美国人挡住了他们，呸，呸，呸，呸，103名敌人被杀”以及所有这些东西，这一直困扰着我。
I'm not a cynic, but I started to become one, you know, of history, you know.
我不是一个愤世嫉俗者，但我开始成为历史的一员，你知道。
What the hell, who the hell knows what really happened if that's the way history is written?
到底是怎么回事，如果历史就是这样写的，谁知道到底发生了什么？
Politician, Archival Footage : Reports will indicate that a squad of fifty Madison policemen were called to the scene and were met by an angry, vicious mob of 300 or more protesters led by, in many cases, professionals from out of the city.
政治家，档案片段：报告显示，一支由 50 名麦迪逊警察组成的小队被召集到现场，并遭到了由 300 名或更多抗议者组成的愤怒、恶毒的暴徒，这些暴徒在许多情况下是来自城外的专业人士。
And that virtually individual officer's reports would indicate that at times they were fighting for their own lives.
事实上，个别军官的报告表明，他们有时正在为自己的生命而战。
Mark Greenside : In the days after Dow, the newspapers came out with stories that essentially blamed the students for what happened and blamed us for provoking it and causing it, and for attacking the police and, you know, making them have to defend themselves against us.
马克·格林赛德：在陶氏事件发生后的几天里，报纸发表的报道基本上将所发生的事情归咎于学生，并指责我们挑衅和造成这一切，以及攻击警察，你知道，让他们不得不为自己辩护。
And, eh, it just added to the credibility gap that we already felt with all of the institutions of authority.
而且，呃，这只是增加了我们与所有权威机构之间已经感受到的可信度差距。
Reporter, archival footage : Is this going to be a recurring thing, do you think?
记者，档案录像：您认为这种情况会反复出现吗？
Do you see any end to this type of thing, here?
你认为这种事情有什么结束吗？
William Sewell, archival footage : I certainly hope that it's not a recurring thing.
威廉·休厄尔（William Sewell），档案片段：我当然希望这不是重复出现的事情。
However, when we are warned in advance that people are going to disrupt, we have to try to prevent that disruption.
然而，当我们提前警告人们将会造成破坏时，我们必须尽力防止这种破坏。
Jim Rowen : It just blew my mind.
吉姆·罗文：这让我大吃一惊。
It just shocked me, that the University, as I saw it, had chosen, had taken sides.
令我震惊的是，在我看来，大学选择了选边站队。
You know, they were with Dow; they were with war profiteers; they were with weapons makers.
你知道，他们和陶氏在一起；他们与战争奸商为伍；他们与武器制造商在一起。
You know, they were really part of the war.
你知道，他们确实是战争的一部分。
Maurice Zeitlin : That was the beginning of a movement on campus.
莫里斯·蔡特林：那是校园运动的开始。
Until then, there had been antiwar demonstrations on campus; there had been antiwar teach-ins on campus; but that gave rise to a spontaneous outpouring.
在那之前，校园里一直有反战示威活动。校园里曾进行过反战宣讲；但这引起了自发的流露。
Students said, if they're doing that to us here, if they're doing that to us here for peaceful protest for doing nothing more than sitting in, maybe the United States is the bully abroad as well.
学生们说，如果他们在这里对我们这样做，如果他们在这里对我们这样做只是为了和平抗议，只是袖手旁观，也许美国在国外也是霸凌者。
Jack Cipperly : There were students that I knew very well as thoughtful people and I began to think, well, if they felt strongly enough to put their bodies on the line, perhaps I ought to question a little more deeply some of these things.
杰克·西珀利：我认识一些学生，他们都是有思想的人，我开始想，好吧，如果他们有足够强烈的感觉，愿意冒着生命危险，也许我应该更深入地质疑其中的一些事情。
Mark Greenside : A strike was called.
马克·格林赛德：罢工被召集了。
Classes were canceled.
课程被取消。
Probably a third to forty percent of the University was stopped on that day.
那天，大概有百分之三到百分之四十的大学被停课。
Jane Brotman : I thought, you know, "I have to strike." But then the realization hit me that if I were to participate in this, I would have to miss, not show for my first six week exam as a freshman at the University.
简·布罗特曼：我想，你知道，“我必须罢工。”但后来我意识到，如果我要参加这个活动，我将不得不错过，而不是参加我作为大学新生的第一个六周的考试。
I really had to go inside and decide that I had a civic responsibility to say that what I had witnessed was wrong.
我真的必须进去并决定我有公民责任去说我所目睹的事情是错误的。
There was a real process of transformation in terms of my thinking.
我的思想有一个真正转变的过程。
I now felt like I was part of this anti-War movement on campus, which had grown into a real, sizeable movement after Dow Chemical.
我现在感觉自己是校园反战运动的一部分，在陶氏化学之后，该运动已经发展成为一场真正的、规模较大的运动。
Joe Costello, read from letter : October 22nd.
Joe Costello，读信：10 月 22 日。
Dear Arlene, Hello, baby.
亲爱的阿琳，你好，宝贝。
How's my girl?
我的女儿怎么样了？
I'm much better.
我好多了。
The doctor sewed up my wound this morning.
今天早上医生给我缝合了伤口。
This afternoon at about five p.m., General Westmoreland came and presented me with the Purple Heart and congratulated me for the Silver Star.
今天下午五点左右，威斯特摩兰将军来了，向我颁发了紫心勋章，并祝贺我获得了银星勋章。
They had television cameras and lights, too.
他们也有电视摄像机和灯光。
I wonder if anybody saw me at home.
我想知道是否有人在家里看到我。
Joe Costello : One of his aides I remember came to me and he said "Look Costello, we know you're 18 years old.
乔·科斯特洛：我记得他的一位助手来找我，他说：“看科斯特洛，我们知道你已经 18 岁了。
The general's going to come and give you the Silver Star and he's probably going to ask you how old you are and, when he does, I'd like you to say you're 19 or 20."
将军会来给你颁发银星勋章，他可能会问你多大了，当他问的时候，我希望你说你19岁或20岁。”
Bud Barrow : General Westmoreland came into the ward, and shook hands and said, "Congratulations." I said, "Are you congratulating me or the enemy?" And I said, "We lost that battle."
巴德·巴罗：威斯特摩兰将军走进病房，与我们握手并说道：“恭喜。”我说：“你是恭喜我还是恭喜敌人？”我说：“我们输掉了那场战斗。”
Clark Welch : I remember vaguely waking up enough to know that there's General Westmoreland and somebody being there and somebody taking some pictures and somebody shaking hands, and then I believe General Westmoreland, fine old man, leaning down and saying, "Well, son, I'm glad, eh, I'm glad you're all right.
克拉克·韦尔奇：我记得我醒来时隐约知道威斯特摩兰将军和有人在那儿，有人拍了一些照片，有人握手，然后我相信威斯特摩兰将军，好老头，弯下腰说：“好吧，儿子，我很高兴，呃，我很高兴你没事。
Tell me what happened that day."
告诉我那天发生了什么。”
Bud Barrow : And I said, "Sir," I said, "We got ambushed." "Oh, no, no, no," he said, "No," he said, "That wasn't no ambush." And I said, "Well, General, then I don't what happened to the other people out there, but, by God, I was ambushed."
巴德·巴罗：我说，“先生，”我说，“我们遭到伏击了。” “哦，不，不，不，”他说，“不，”他说，“那不是伏击。”我说：“好吧，将军，那么我不知道其他人发生了什么，但是，上帝啊，我遭到了伏击。”
Clark Welch : And I recall then that I said, "Sir, I will tell you what happened today.
克拉克·韦尔奇：我记得当时我说：“先生，我会告诉你今天发生了什么。
The [expletive] damned Army is [expletive] up from the President of the United States on down to my boss the Colonel, and I'm glad he's dead." A deep anger still lasts towards the army, the organization, the government, the President of the United States.
从美国总统到我的上司上校，这支该死的军队都在[咒骂]，我很高兴他死了。”对军队、组织、政府、美国总统的深深愤怒仍然存在。
Just look what you've done.
看看你做了什么。
Look what we've done.
看看我们做了什么。
Diane Sikorski : On October 20, I remember being in my bedroom and the doorbell rang, and I peeked out and I saw a soldier in uniform.
黛安·西科尔斯基：10 月 20 日，我记得在我的卧室里，门铃响了，我向外一看，看到一名穿着制服的士兵。
My heart just fell to my feet because I just knew why he was there.
我的心一下子沉了下来，因为我只知道他为什么在那里。
My head went blank and I remember just being so cold and shaking and just holding my arms real tight.
我的脑袋一片空白，我记得我当时很冷，浑身发抖，紧紧地握着我的手臂。
I didn't want to hear it.
我不想听。
And I do remember him saying, "Killed in Action." And my dad was yelling from deep in his heart "Oh, God, no!
我确实记得他说：“阵亡”。我爸爸从内心深处大喊“哦，上帝，不！
Not Danny!
不是丹尼！
Why couldn't God take me instead?" I remembered the dream that I had of Danny and everything just clicked -- I knew he was dead.
为什么上帝不带我来呢？”我想起了丹尼的梦，一切都突然发生了——我知道他死了。
I believe that that was, that was Danny's last goodbye to me -- in his own way, that he reached out.
我相信那是丹尼对我的最后一次告别——以他自己的方式，他伸出了手。
And that was our final hug.
那是我们最后的拥抱。
Jean Ponder Allen : Two officers came to the house.
Jean Ponder Allen：两名警官来到了这所房子。
They told me that Terry had been reported missing in action.
他们告诉我特里据报在行动中失踪。
I started screaming at the officers and I told them that they were lying to me and that I knew that he was dead.
我开始对警察尖叫，我告诉他们他们在对我撒谎，而且我知道他已经死了。
It was just loss, loss of so much.
这只是损失，损失太多了。
Not the passing of someone that we could say died in a way that clearly was going to bring about some greater good.
我们可以说，某个人的去世显然不会带来更大的好处。
It was just loss.
这只是损失。
Robert Cohen, archival footage : They may expel thirteen of us, and I wonder what they're going to say, you know, about the new little "clique," the new outside agitators who run this movement.
罗伯特·科恩，档案片段：他们可能会驱逐我们十三个人，我想知道他们会对新的小“派别”，即领导这场运动的新的外部煽动者说些什么。
Because that's not what the reality is.
因为事实并非如此。
The reality is that there is a very real social movement in this country.
现实情况是，这个国家正在发生一场非常真实的社会运动。
Lieutenant Governor Olson, archival footage : Starting on Monday morning at ten o'clock, we're going to call in witnesses and they will be asked to testify and if they don't testify freely we will be subpoenaing them.
副州长奥尔森，档案录像：从周一早上十点开始，我们将传唤证人，他们将被要求作证，如果他们不自由作证，我们将传唤他们。
We can assure anyone it's not going to be a witch hunt.
我们可以向任何人保证这不会是一场政治迫害。
Maurice Zeitlin : The administration at the University of Wisconsin wanted to punish the students, not just for sitting in, but to punish the students precisely because they were taking positions which they vehemently opposed.
莫里斯·泽特林：威斯康星大学的管理部门想要惩罚学生，不仅仅是因为他们旁听，而是因为学生采取了他们强烈反对的立场。
And Bill Sewell got trapped.
比尔·休厄尔被困住了。
To me it was a very profound lesson, how men who oppose the policies of their government nevertheless find themselves upholding those policies in practice, by virtue of the position and the pressures put upon them.
对我来说，这是一个非常深刻的教训，即那些反对政府政策的人如何发现自己在实践中凭借立场和施加的压力来支持这些政策。
David Maraniss : I came to interview Bill Sewell 35 years after the event, and the pain was still there.
David Maraniss：事件发生 35 年后，我来采访 Bill Sewell，痛苦依然存在。
Ninety years old at that point.
那时已经九十岁了。
When he started to describe what happened in those few minutes, seeing the police go in with their billy clubs and seeing kids come flying out with their bloodied heads, he started crying.
当他开始描述那几分钟发生的事情时，看到警察拿着警棍走进去，看到孩子们带着血淋淋的头飞了出去，他开始哭了。
Tom McCarthy : I went to mass that Sunday, and the priest was giving his homily, and he said something about, well maybe, you know, the students have something to say, and we should start listening to them.
汤姆·麦卡锡：那个星期天我去参加弥撒，牧师正在讲道，他说了一些话，也许，你知道，学生们有话要说，我们应该开始听他们的。
Got up and walked out.
起身就往外走。
I remember the priest very well.
我对牧师记得很清楚。
I don't think I ever spoke to him again.
我想我再也没有和他说过话。
I didn't think they, you know, you go to school, you got nothing to say.
我不认为他们，你知道，你去学校，你无话可说。
Keith Hackett : After October 18, rioting in Madison became a routine thing.
基思·哈克特：10月18日之后，麦迪逊的骚乱变成了家常便饭。
We were going through fifty-thousand dollars of gas a week.
我们每周要消耗五万美元的汽油。
We had sometimes lit up the streets to the point that it looked like a fog.
有时我们把街道照亮得看起来像雾一样。
We said, "Hey, they're trying to take over my country, and I'm not going to permit that to happen."
我们说，“嘿，他们试图接管我的国家，我不会允许这种情况发生。”
Mark Greenside : The Dow demonstration is the first violent anti-War demonstration to take place on a University campus.
马克·格林赛德：陶氏化学公司的示威活动是大学校园内首次发生的暴力反战示威活动。
Now, in the next 3, 4, 5 months, once you hit '68, everything is gonna pop.
现在，在接下来的 3、4、5 个月里，一旦你达到 68 岁，一切都会流行起来。
But I think Wisconsin is the first, and Dow was the bell.
但我认为威斯康星州是第一个，陶氏化学是钟声。
David Maraniss : The antiwar movement, from that point on, just grew larger.
大卫·马拉尼斯：从那时起，反战运动变得越来越大。
A few days after Dow there was a protest in Washington, really the first massive antiwar protest at the Capitol.
道琼斯指数之后几天，华盛顿爆发了一场抗议活动，这实际上是国会大厦的第一次大规模反战抗议活动。
When the Tet Offensive comes three months later, public perceptions changed forever from that point.
三个月后，当春节攻势到来时，公众的看法从此发生了永远的变化。
That was the point where the American public essentially concluded that Vietnam was not worth fighting and unwinnable.
正是在这一点上，美国公众基本上得出结论：越南不值得战斗，也无法获胜。
From the time these Black Lions were killed that day, from the time of that protest at Wisconsin, the people responsible for the war essentially knew that they couldn't win it.
从那天这些黑狮被杀的那一刻起，从威斯康星州抗议的那一刻起，对战争负责的人基本上就知道他们无法赢得战争。
Well, it went on another eight years, and that's another part of the tragedy.
好吧，又持续了八年，这就是悲剧的另一部分。
Joe Costello : When we flew home, I was with two guys that I knew.
乔·科斯特洛：当我们飞回家时，我和两个我认识的人在一起。
We took a taxi-cab to the San Francisco airport, and the taxi-cab driver talked about the price of tires and the traffic and never quite got around to saying, "Hey, welcome home," or, "How was it?" or, "Good luck," and I thought that this is probably a sign of things to come.
我们乘坐出租车前往旧金山机场，出租车司机谈论了轮胎的价格和交通状况，但从来没有抽出时间说“嘿，欢迎回家”或“怎么样？”或者，“祝你好运”，我想这可能是即将发生的事情的征兆。
Mike Troyer : I mean, I knew my parents would be happy to see me.
迈克·特罗耶：我的意思是，我知道我的父母会很高兴见到我。
I didn't know if anybody else would be happy to see me, so I knew I was going to have one good friend -- me -- and so, I sent a letter home to myself.
我不知道其他人是否会高兴见到我，所以我知道我将会有一个好朋友——我——所以，我给自己寄了一封信回家。
And I actually opened that letter when I got home.
当我回到家时，我实际上打开了那封信。
I mean there wasn't no brass band waiting on you, nothing.
我的意思是没有铜管乐队在等你，什么都没有。
You weren't a hero.
你不是英雄。
You lost the war.
你输掉了战争。
Bud Barrow : I was pretty bitter.
巴德·巴罗：我非常痛苦。
I considered those people to be traitors, I mean, traitors, cowards and any other dirty name you could come up with.
我认为那些人是叛徒，我的意思是，叛徒、胆小鬼以及你能想到的任何其他肮脏的名字。
As far as I'm concerned, they can line those people up and shoot them right between the eyes.
就我而言，他们可以把那些人排成一排，然后从他们的眼睛中间开枪射击。
That's a pretty hard stand but that's the way I feel about it.
这是一个相当艰难的立场，但这就是我的感受。
Nguyen Van Lam : My mother and father were both lost to the war.
阮文林：我的母亲和父亲都在战争中丧生。
So now there's only me, nobody else.
所以现在只有我一个人，没有其他人。
My wife's family is also completely gone, only her left.
我妻子的家人也彻底没了，只剩下她了。
All lost to the war.
全部都输给了战争。
My house is on the battlefield where we fought that day.
我家就在那天我们打仗的战场上。
My neighbors ask if I'm not afraid with the ghosts of all the dead Americans tugging at my feet.
我的邻居问我是否害怕所有死去的美国人的鬼魂拖着我的脚。
Clark Welch : You know, nobody gives up their life for their country.
克拉克·韦尔奇：你知道，没有人会为了自己的国家而放弃自己的生命。
They have their life torn away from them.
他们的生活被剥夺了。
Nobody, nobody gives up their life for their country.
没有人，没有人为自己的国家放弃生命。
None of my guys signed up for that.
我的人都没有报名参加。
Ernie Buentiempo : I see their faces, and that's what hurts so much, you know.
Ernie Buentiempo：我看到了他们的脸，这就是让我很受伤的原因，你知道。
They're so young, to die so young for a needless cause.
他们这么年轻，这么年轻就为了一些不必要的原因而死。
That's a high price to pay for something that's wrong.
为错误的事情付出高昂的代价。
And as you look at it now, you know it was wrong.
当你现在看到它时，你就知道这是错误的。
We had no business being there.
我们没有必要去那里。
Jim Shelton : I'm not ready to give up on Vietnam as a force for good, okay?
吉姆谢尔顿：我还没有准备好放弃越南作为正义的力量，好吗？
I'm not ready to admit that was an evil thing that happened to the United States of America, that never should have happened, or even that it wasn't worth it.
我还没有准备好承认这是发生在美利坚合众国的一件邪恶的事情，这根本不应该发生，甚至不值得。
Now, part of that is because I can't accept the deaths of my buddies as not being worth something.
现在，部分原因是我无法接受我的朋友的死亡没有价值。
Jean Ponder Allen : I've had many years to reflect upon my decisions and my actions and realized where I acted stupidly and in haste, foolishly, and cruelly.
Jean Ponder Allen：我花了很多年的时间来反思我的决定和行为，并意识到我的行为在哪里是愚蠢、仓促、愚蠢和残忍的。
But I have never changed my mind about the wrongness of the war in Vietnam.
但我从未改变对越南战争错误的看法。
Jane Brotman : You need to have people who are willing to stand up and take action when they think something is wrong.
Jane Brotman：你需要有人在认为出现问题时愿意站出来并采取行动。
I mean, that's what a democracy is all about.
我的意思是，这就是民主的意义所在。
Mark Greenside : It changes who you are, when you put that kind of time and that kind of effort into a cause.
马克·格林赛德：当你把这样的时间和那样的努力投入到一项事业中时，它会改变你是谁。
You emerge from that different.
你会从中脱颖而出。
And I think we emerged from that absolutely less optimistic, absolutely less hopeful.
我认为我们已经走出了绝对不那么乐观、绝对不那么充满希望的时期。
We were committed and willing and wanting to give everything.
我们决心、愿意并愿意付出一切。
They didn't want it and we stopped giving it, and the fact that it's not around now in the way it was then I think is extremely harmful to the country.
他们不想要它，我们就停止提供它，事实上，它现在不再像当时那样存在，我认为这对国家极其有害。
I think every country needs the kind of idealism that we had.
我认为每个国家都需要我们拥有的那种理想主义。
Maurice Zeitlin : I have only respect for the men who fought in that war, because they didn't make the war, they didn't choose to fight in that war, but they accepted a responsibility that they thought was theirs as an American citizen, okay?
莫里斯·蔡特林：我只尊重在那场战争中战斗的人们，因为他们没有发动战争，他们没有选择参加那场战争，但他们接受了他们认为作为美国公民应负的责任，好吗？
They carried the burden of being an American citizen.
他们承担着作为美国公民的负担。
When they were sent to war, they fought.
当他们被派去打仗时，他们就参加了战斗。
And I carried the burden, not at all comparable, of being an American citizen by opposing that war.
我通过反对那场战争，承担了作为一名美国公民的负担，这是根本无法比拟的。
And I had the choice and they didn't.
我有选择，而他们没有。
And, for that, I was privileged and they weren't, but we were both doing our duty.
为此，我很荣幸，而他们却没有，但我们都在履行自己的职责。
Diane Sikorski : I think back then if people tried in any way to stop the war they probably felt that they were doing the right thing.
黛安·西科尔斯基：我想当时如果人们试图以任何方式阻止战争，他们可能会觉得自己在做正确的事情。
On the other hand, the boys of Vietnam felt they were doing the right thing.
另一方面，越南男孩觉得他们做的是正确的事。
In the end I wonder who was right.
最后我想知道谁是对的。
In October of 1967, a massive protest at the University of Wisconsin turned violent when police arrived on the scene.
1967 年 10 月，威斯康星大学发生的大规模抗议活动在警察赶到现场后演变成暴力事件。
In October 1967, a Viet Cong ambush nearly wiped out an American battalion, prompting some in power to question whether the war might be unwinnable.
1967 年 10 月，越共的一次伏击几乎消灭了一个美军营，促使一些当权者质疑这场战争是否无法获胜。
They stood on opposite sides of the Vietnam divide, the student opposing the war in which the infantryman fought.
他们站在越南分歧的对立面，学生反对步兵参加的战争。
Soldiers in Vietnam and students involved in antiwar protests had expectations about what authority figures would and would not do.
参与反战抗议的越南士兵和学生对当局人物会做什么和不会做什么有预期。
It was never a big part of their business, but napalm would rapidly become the Dow Chemical Company's best-known product.
这从来都不是他们业务的重要组成部分，但凝固汽油弹很快就成为陶氏化学公司最著名的产品。
As the Vietnam War esclated, protests grew in strength, some turning violent.
随着越南战争升级，抗议活动愈演愈烈，有些甚至演变为暴力。
They also triggered backlash.
他们也引发了强烈反对。
When Madison police were summoned on the University of Wisconsin campus in October 1967, there were bloody consequences.
1967 年 10 月，当麦迪逊警方在威斯康星大学校园被传唤时，造成了血腥的后果。
Attitudes shaped by World War II were not always a good fit in the Vietnam era.
第二次世界大战形成的态度并不总是适合越南时代。
Decisions that might have previously gone unchallenged now generated substantial protest.
以前可能不会受到质疑的决定现在引起了强烈的抗议。
As the Vietnam War escalated, more and more students at the University of Wisconsin were drawn into the demonstrations.
随着越南战争的升级，越来越多的威斯康星大学学生被卷入示威活动。
The Viet Cong relied on their knowledge of local terrain and the element of surprise, with often deadly results.
越共依靠对当地地形的了解和出其不意的手段，常常造成致命的后果。
Twenty-year-old Mike Troyer had taken some college classes, but fell below the minimum threshold for a deferment.
二十岁的迈克·特罗耶（Mike Troyer）修读了一些大学课程，但未达到延期入学的最低门槛。
He was drafted in 1967.
他于1967年应征入伍。
He was a general's son, she a beauty queen.
他是将军的儿子，她是选美皇后。
But their family was broken by Vietnam.
但他们的家庭因越南而破碎。