Ruby Ridge
Bill Morlin, Journalist: At the time, it was all shrouded in secrecy.
比尔·莫林，记者：当时，这一切都处于保密状态。
But there were meetings at the highest of levels, clear back to Washington, DC, like how can we effect the arrest of this man?
但最高层召开了会议，显然回到了华盛顿特区，比如我们如何才能逮捕这个人？
Some people, I later found out, were actually advocating a front-on tactical assault.
后来我发现，有些人实际上主张正面战术攻击。
To go up there with armored personnel carriers and, you know, whatever kind of armament they needed and just shoot it out with him!
带着装甲运兵车去那里，你知道，无论他们需要什么样的武器，然后和他一起射击！
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: I told Randy, I said, “You don’t really understand what the full weight and power of this government is, and what it would really mean if you want a confrontation with it.
戴夫·亨特，美国元帅：我告诉兰迪，我说，“你并不真正了解这个政府的全部分量和权力是什么，以及如果你想与它对抗的话它真正意味着什么。
I think I used the term that it’s like a locomotive.
我想我用了“它就像机车”这个词。
Once you get it rolling down the tracks, it’s hard to stop.
一旦你让它滚下轨道，就很难停下来。
Archival Sot: Protesters: …proud of yourself?
档案 Sot：抗议者：……为自己感到骄傲？
You sons of bitches!...
你们这些王八蛋！...
Archival Sot: Protesters: You call yourself an American?
档案索特：抗议者：你称自己为美国人？
These are Americans!
这些是美国人！
These are God-fearing people!
这些都是敬畏神的人！
You don’t even know your Constitution.
你甚至不知道你的宪法。
Go back and read what your founding fathers say!
回去看看你们的开国元勋们是怎么说的吧！
Sara Weaver, Daughter: We were taught from a very early age to never point a gun at anything you don’t plan on shooting.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我们从小就被教导不要用枪指着任何你不打算射击的东西。
Dad was very, very strict about that.
爸爸对此非常非常严格。
Guns were tools, in our family.
在我们家里，枪是工具。
They were there for protection from wild animals, or to hunt game.
他们在那里是为了保护免受野生动物的侵害，或者是为了狩猎。
Guns were there for a purpose.
枪的存在是有目的的。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: This is North Idaho, 1992.
Bill Morlin，记者：这是 1992 年的北爱达荷州。
50 miles or so from the Canadian border.
距加拿大边境约 50 英里。
Here’s a man with his family, armed to the teeth…who knew that a federal judge wanted him to come to court, and he was refusing to do that.
这是一个和他的家人全副武装的人……他知道联邦法官希望他出庭，但他拒绝这样做。
And he lived with the consequences.
他承担了后果。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: When Mom and Dad met, Dad was in the Army.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：当妈妈和爸爸见面时，爸爸正在军队里。
He was a Green Beret.
他是一名绿色贝雷帽。
It wasn’t until he was home on leave that they actually got together and really started to date and fall in love.
直到他休假回家，他们才真正聚在一起，真正开始约会并坠入爱河。
I have memories of hot Iowa summers and cold Iowa winters, and Grandma and Grandpa’s farm.
我记得爱荷华州炎热的夏天和寒冷的冬天，还有爷爷奶奶的农场。
I do remember my parents discussing always wanting to move to the mountains.
我确实记得我的父母讨论过一直想搬到山上。
So, you know, they learned about how to raise kids without electricity and things like that.
所以，你知道，他们学会了如何在没有电的情况下抚养孩子等等。
And then I remember they started to sell things and Mom and Dad, you know, just prepared by buying stuff you might need living on top of a mountain somewhere.
然后我记得他们开始卖东西，爸爸妈妈，你知道，只是准备购买你可能需要住在山顶上的某个地方的东西。
Daniel Levitas, Writer: Randy Weaver wanted to move his family from Iowa to Idaho partly because of the Farm Crisis.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），作家：兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）想将家人从爱荷华州搬到爱达荷州，部分原因是农场危机。
Archival Sot: Auctioneer: 85, 75, 85, 85, 85, 85, 85, 85, now 100, 100…
档案 Sot：拍卖师：85、75、85、85、85、85、85、85，现在 100、100…
Daniel Levitas, Writer: By the early 1980s, the economy in Iowa had been deteriorating for some time.
Daniel Levitas，作家：到 20 世纪 80 年代初，爱荷华州的经济已经恶化了一段时间。
Fuel and input costs were rising, and farmers were going bankrupt.
燃料和投入成本不断上升，农民濒临破产。
Archival Sot: Farmer: You don’t need to sell it.
档案 Sot： 农民：你不需要卖掉它。
You don’t need to sell it.
你不需要卖掉它。
Archival Sot: Auctioneer: I’m going to sell it.
档案 Sot： 拍卖师：我要卖掉它。
It’s part of my business, part of my livelihood.
这是我生意的一部分，我生计的一部分。
Archival Sot: Farmer: You don’t have to do away with the farmers, sir.
档案索特： 农民：你不必废除农民，先生。
Jess Walter, Writer: Farmers are losing their family farms, interest rates are 15, 16, 18 percent.
Jess Walter，作家：农民正在失去他们的家庭农场，利率分别为 15%、16%、18%。
Randy’s working at the John Deere factory, afraid that he was going to get fired…And the Weavers, who are starting to explore the idea of Bible prophecy, began to see things that were occurring as being part of the end times, the very thing that the Book of Revelations was promising.
兰迪在约翰迪尔工厂工作，担心自己会被解雇……织工一家开始探索圣经预言的概念，他们开始将正在发生的事情视为末日的一部分，这正是《启示录》所承诺的。
And I think those connections were the ones Vicki especially was making.
我认为这些联系正是维姬特别建立的。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: My Mom interpreted some of the things in the Bible very literally.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我妈妈非常逐字逐句地解释了《圣经》中的一些内容。
There’s a verse in the Old Testament about not having graven images, and so there was a point when the TV, you know, kind of left and my parents started to dig deeper into the Bible.
旧约中有一节经文是关于不要雕刻图像的，所以在某个时候，电视，你知道，有点离开了，我的父母开始更深入地挖掘圣经。
They did believe in an apocalyptic future.
他们确实相信世界末日的未来。
And I think that they started to take that more seriously as they got ready to leave Iowa.
我认为当他们准备离开爱荷华州时，他们开始更加认真地对待这一点。
Fear was--was a big part of it.
恐惧是其中很大一部分。
Jess Walter, Writer: As they leave Iowa, they’re telling their friends and family that a great conflagration is coming and they must seek a place to be safe.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：当他们离开爱荷华州时，他们告诉朋友和家人，一场大火即将来临，他们必须寻找一个安全的地方。
They must go to the west and find a mountaintop.
他们必须向西走，找到一座山顶。
They were really imagining this fortress, this place where they could really separate themselves from a corrupt and dangerous world.
他们真正想象的是这个堡垒，这个他们可以真正将自己与腐败和危险的世界隔离开来的地方。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: It was incredibly remote.
Bill Morlin，记者：那是极其遥远的地方。
I mean, they had no electricity, no running water, no indoor plumbing.
我的意思是，他们没有电，没有自来水，也没有室内管道。
We’re talking about a cabin, made by Randy Weaver and his wife, on a mountaintop.
我们谈论的是兰迪·韦弗和他的妻子在山顶建造的一间小屋。
They thought that they were living on the edge of Armageddon, and this was the sort of sanctuary that Randy and Vicki Weaver wanted.
他们认为自己生活在世界末日的边缘，而这正是兰迪和维基·韦弗想要的避难所。
Sarah Weaver, Daughter: There was definitely work involved, in living that way.
莎拉·韦弗（Sarah Weaver），女儿：这样的生活肯定涉及到工作。
Dishes and firewood and hauling water, and doing laundry with a washtub and washboard.
餐具、柴火、运水，以及用洗衣盆和洗衣板洗衣服。
I loved to garden so as I got older I kinda took over the gardening.
我喜欢园艺，所以随着年龄的增长，我开始接管园艺工作。
Sam and I, we worked hard, but we enjoyed working and helping Mom and Dad out.
萨姆和我，我们工作很努力，但我们喜欢工作和帮助爸爸妈妈。
You depend on each other for your survival, living that way, so we were all very close.
你们互相依赖才能生存，就这样生活，所以我们都很亲密。
Growing up on the mountain, there was so many things for Sam and I to explore, and learn, and do every single day.
我和山姆在山上长大，每天都有很多事情需要探索、学习和做。
I was best friends, you know, with my brother and I think it was good for us.
你知道，我和我兄弟是最好的朋友，我认为这对我们有好处。
I really do.
我真的这么做。
Stuart Wright, Writer: I don’t know that Randy Weaver knew at the time that they moved to Ruby Ridge…that they would be so close to the Aryan Nations compound, which was just 60 miles south.
斯图尔特·赖特（Stuart Wright），作家：我不知道兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）当时是否知道他们搬到了红宝石岭……他们离雅利安民族大院如此之近，而雅利安民族大院就在以南 60 英里处。
But they started showing up.
但他们开始出现。
At first it was purely social, they attended family picnics, those kinds of things.
起初纯粹是社交，他们参加家庭野餐之类的事情。
But as Randy began to interact more with them, he started to buy into the message.
但随着兰迪开始与他们更多地互动，他开始接受这个信息。
Archival Sot: Richard Richard Butler, Aryan Nations Founder : We the white race lost the war.
档案索特：理查德·理查德·巴特勒，雅利安国家创始人：我们白人输掉了战争。
A plague known as Jews won the war, infiltrated our bloodstream of our race in every country in which we reside.
一种被称为犹太人的瘟疫赢得了战争，渗透到我们居住的每个国家的我们种族的血液中。
Daniel Levitas, Writer: The founding principle of the Aryan Nations was something called Christian Identity theology, which teaches that white Anglo-Saxon Christians are the true descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel, and that those who call themselves Jews are not merely imposters, but are actually children of the Devil.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），作家：雅利安国家的建立原则是所谓的基督教身份神学，它教导白人盎格鲁撒克逊基督徒是以色列失落部落的真正后裔，而那些自称犹太人的人不仅是冒名顶替者，而且实际上是魔鬼的孩子。
It also teaches that African Americans and other people of color are sub-human.
它还教导非裔美国人和其他有色人种是低等人。
Archival Sot: Richard Richard Butler, Aryan Nations Founder: Every major city in the United States is now non-white…following the catastrophic destruction of our race in the so-called Civil War, or the War Between the States.
档案索特：理查德·理查德·巴特勒，雅利安国家创始人：在所谓的内战或州际战争中对我们的种族造成灾难性破坏之后，美国的每个主要城市现在都不是白人了。
America shall again become white and Christian.
美国将再次成为白人和基督教徒。
There’ll be a lot of blood running one day.
有一天，会有大量的血液流淌。
I don’t advocate it, I don’t want it, but it’s gonna come, as sure as day follows night and night follows day.
我不提倡它，我也不想要它，但它总会到来，就像白天接着黑夜，黑夜接着白天一样。
Jess Walter, Writer: The Weavers were on this journey of religious discovery that had led them to isolate themselves and to live in a style they believed was Old Testament Christian.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：编织者踏上了宗教发现之旅，这导致他们孤立自己，并以他们认为是旧约基督教的方式生活。
Christian Identity shared some of those tenets, so I think the Weavers saw some kinship in these people.
基督教身份分享了其中一些原则，所以我认为编织者在这些人身上看到了一些亲属关系。
But they also were really clear that they didn’t want to join, that there were things they didn’t believe, that they didn’t agree with.
但他们也非常清楚，他们不想加入，有些事情他们不相信，他们不同意。
Essentially, for the Weavers, the Aryan Nations was a chance to meet people, and you know, and to make friends.
从本质上讲，对于编织者来说，雅利安民族是一个结识新朋友并结交朋友的机会。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: Being there as a kid, it was just like a family vacation.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：小时候在那里，就像家庭度假一样。
I think my Dad took us there out of curiosity.
我想我爸爸带我们去那里是出于好奇。
He was always up for a debate, always up for a discussion.
他总是乐于辩论，乐于讨论。
Being the inquisitive person that he is, he was like “Sure!
作为一个好奇的人，他就像“当然！
I’ll go check it out.”
我去看看。”
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Every summer, Richard Richard Butler, Aryan Nations Founder: would host a gathering called the Aryan World Congress, which would attract fellow racists from all over the country.
记者比尔·莫林：每年夏天，雅利安民族创始人理查德·理查德·巴特勒都会举办一次名为“雅利安世界大会”的聚会，吸引来自全国各地的种族主义者同胞。
Archival Sot: “What do we need?
档案索特：“我们需要什么？
White Power!
白力！
What do we need?
我们需要什么？
White Power!”
白力！”
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Some of these people were Christian Identity, some of them were Ku Klux Klan, there were outlaw bikers there, and skinheads and other neo-Nazis that were atheists.
比尔·莫林，记者：其中一些人是基督教徒，一些人是三K党，那里有不法自行车手，还有光头党和其他新纳粹分子，他们是无神论者。
But their common denominator was their belief that the white race was the supreme race, and many of them wanted to basically declare war on the US.
但他们的共同点是相信白人是至高无上的种族，他们中的许多人基本上想向美国宣战。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: Some people who spent time up with Richard Butler, Aryan Nations Founder: up at Hayden Lake would then go off in these splinter groups that became threats in their own way…But they were very violent, very anti-government, heavily armed, so the Aryan Nations was a cause for concern for those of us in law enforcement.
吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting），联邦调查局谈判代表：一些曾在海登湖与雅利安民族创始人理查德·巴特勒（Richard Butler）共度时光的人，随后会加入这些分裂的团体，这些团体以自己的方式成为威胁……但他们非常暴力，非常反政府，全副武装，因此雅利安民族是我们执法人员关注的一个原因。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Starting in the mid 80s, the feds wanted to know who’s there, and what are they doing, and what are they planning on doing next?
记者 Bill Morlin：从 80 年代中期开始，联邦政府想知道谁在那里，他们在做什么，以及他们下一步计划做什么？
So by the time Randy Weaver started showing up at the compound, the Feds were listening.
因此，当兰迪·韦弗开始出现在该院落时，联邦调查局正在倾听。
Daniel Levitas, Writer: They had lots of events there designed to potentially recruit harder-core folks into the Aryan Nations, and it was at one of those meetings that Randy Weaver was spotted by an undercover federal informant.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），作家：他们在那里举办了很多活动，旨在潜在地招募更坚强的人加入雅利安国家，正是在其中一次会议上，兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）被卧底联邦线人发现。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: This guy got next to Randy Weaver and learned that he was clearly a racist.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：这家伙走到兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）旁边，发现他显然是一个种族主义者。
That he wanted to live his white separatist lifestyle in north Idaho, but that he was having trouble putting two nickels together and that he was interested in some income, and one thing led to another, and pretty soon, Randy Weaver agrees to saw off some shotguns.
他想在爱达荷州北部过上白人分离主义的生活方式，但他很难凑够两枚镍币，而且他对一些收入很感兴趣，一件事又引发了另一件事，很快，兰迪·韦弗同意锯掉一些猎枪。
Jess Walter, Writer: Everything shifts when Randy Weaver saws the barrels off those shotguns.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），编剧：当兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）锯掉那些猎枪的枪管时，一切都发生了变化。
He had now committed a federal crime.
他现在已经犯下了联邦罪行。
But it’s so clear that Randy Weaver was not a guy up there sawing the barrels off shotguns and selling them.
但很明显，兰迪·韦弗并不是一个把猎枪锯下来然后卖掉的人。
He only committed this act after talking to an ATF informant.
他是在与 ATF 线人交谈后才实施这一行为的。
But then the idea is, we can turn this guy.
但接下来的想法是，我们可以改变这个人。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: There’s nothing unusual about that.
比尔·莫林，记者：这没什么不寻常的。
It’s the way the federal criminal justice system works.
这就是联邦刑事司法系统的运作方式。
If they can take the information from, you know, suspect number one and lead them to suspects number two through ten, that’s what they’re going to do.
如果他们能够从第一号嫌疑人那里获取信息，并引导他们找到第二号到第十号嫌疑人，那就是他们要做的。
They do that all the time.
他们一直这样做。
Chuck Peterson, Defense Attorney: Here’s the government, and they come to you and they say, “We’ve been watching you.
辩护律师查克·彼得森：这是政府，他们来找你说：“我们一直在监视你。
We know that you sold a sawed-off shotgun.
我们知道您卖了一把短管猎枪。
Now, if you won’t work for us, if you won’t help us to get inside the Aryan Nations and to get inside the white separatist movement, if you won’t do those things for us, then we’re going to arrest you, and we’re going to place you in jail, and we’re going to take away your property.” And Randy Weaver said, “No.”
现在，如果你不为我们工作，如果你不帮助我们进入雅利安国家并进入白人分离主义运动，如果你不为我们做这些事情，那么我们就会逮捕你，我们会把你关进监狱，我们会没收你的财产。”兰迪·韦弗说：“不。”
Sara Weaver, Daughter: A couple posed with a broken down truck on the road near our house, and as Mom and Dad stopped to help them, they were thrown on their faces in the snow and frisked, and Dad was, you know, hauled off to jail.
莎拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：一对夫妇在我们家附近的路上与一辆抛锚的卡车合影，当妈妈和爸爸停下来帮助他们时，他们被扔在雪地里并被搜身，你知道，爸爸被抓进了监狱。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: He had to post our home as bond and he told us “You know, if I lose my trial we lose our home.” And he’s like, “How am I going to win this?
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：他必须把我们的家作为抵押品，他告诉我们“你知道，如果我输掉审判，我们就会失去我们的家。”他说：“我怎样才能赢得这场比赛？
Bill Morlin, Journalist: These are people that want to be left alone.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：这些人想要独处。
And Randy’s arrest just galvanized the Weaver’s hatred of the federal government.
而兰迪的被捕更是激起了韦弗家对联邦政府的仇恨。
They really thought the government was evil.
他们真的认为政府是邪恶的。
Vicki wrote two letters to the U.S. Attorney for Idaho, which she addressed to the Servants of the Queen of Babylon.
维基给爱达荷州美国检察官写了两封信，并写给巴比伦女王的仆人。
Jess Walter, Writer: The Queen of Babylon.
杰西·沃尔特，编剧：巴比伦女王。
This is very much the language that was coming out of the Aryan Nations.
这很大程度上是雅利安民族的语言。
This language of a coming war, with the Anglo-Saxon armies defeating the tyrant that was the federal government.
这种语言预示着一场即将到来的战争，盎格鲁撒克逊军队将击败联邦政府的暴君。
She believed not only that we were living in the end times but that she was being given signs and she was defiant.
她不仅相信我们生活在末世，而且还相信她得到了征兆，而且她是反抗的。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: I think she was at the end of her rope, I really do.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver）的女儿：我认为她已经到了穷途末路的地步，我真的这么认为。
And I think for Mom and Dad it was, “We’re not going to take anymore.” You know, getting thrown in the snow and sent to jail and if you lose your case you lose your house.
我认为对爸爸妈妈来说，“我们不会再忍受了。”你知道，被扔进雪地里并被送进监狱，如果你败诉，你就会失去你的房子。
They had to have been an emotional mess.
他们的情绪一定很混乱。
Jess Walter, Writer: And then, Randy doesn’t show up for trial.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），编剧：然后，兰迪没有出庭受审。
What happened next was the brutality of bureaucracy.
接下来发生的是官僚主义的残酷。
One agency leads to another agency.
一个机构引导另一个机构。
So the case becomes the responsibility of the US Marshals Service.
因此，此案由美国法警局负责。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: Our job was to bring him before the court to answer charges, and that’s all it is.
戴夫·亨特，美国法警：我们的工作就是把他带到法庭接受指控，仅此而已。
It doesn’t even necessarily mean he’s guilty of anything.
这甚至不一定意味着他有罪。
Our first step was to do a threat assessment.
我们的第一步是进行威胁评估。
He didn’t appear like he going to run or abscond in some way.
他看起来不像要逃跑或潜逃。
He had roots to the community.
他扎根于社区。
He had a family there.
他在那里有一个家庭。
And I thought that time was on our side.
我认为时间站在我们这边。
But that threat assessment also showed that he was extremely committed to his cause.
但威胁评估也表明他非常致力于他的事业。
And that’s what made that situation a little more dangerous.
这就是让情况变得更加危险的原因。
Jess Walter, Writer: The threat assessment portrayed Randy Weaver as a former Special Forces Green Beret who may have booby-trapped his house, living with a woman who would kill her own children rather than surrender.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：威胁评估将兰迪·韦弗描绘成一名前特种部队绿色贝雷帽队员，他可能在自己的房子里设置了诱杀装置，与一个宁愿杀死自己的孩子也不愿投降的女人住在一起。
It was either worst-case scenario or fanciful, but the assessment of the Weavers made them look more like criminals and less like a family.
这要么是最坏的情况，要么是异想天开，但对韦弗一家的评估让他们看起来更像是罪犯，而不是一家人。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: My parents decided that they would just stay up on the mountain until the legal aspect got figured out.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我的父母决定留在山上，直到法律问题得到解决。
And so, all through the summer and winter, we didn’t go anywhere anymore.
就这样，整个夏天和冬天，我们哪儿也没有去。
We stayed up there.
我们呆在那里。
And the winters could get long.
冬天可能会很长。
You know, Sam and Rachel and I sometimes we’d read two books in a day.
你知道，萨姆、雷切尔和我有时一天会读两本书。
We would play card games and Monopoly and Yahtzee and Scrabble, you know, all of those sorts of things in the long evenings.
我们会在漫长的夜晚玩纸牌游戏、大富翁、快艇和拼字游戏，你知道，所有这些事情。
We had friends who would come see us who were concerned about the situation, who were concerned about us, you know.
我们有朋友来看我们，他们关心我们的情况，关心我们，你知道。
They’d bring us food and supplies and things.
他们会给我们带来食物、用品和其他东西。
And my mom had my little sister up there during that time.
那段时间我妈妈把我的妹妹带到了那里。
And I think about that, I’m just like, wow, that took a lot of courage on both their parts.
我想到这一点，我就想，哇，这对他们俩来说都需要很大的勇气。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: Winters are tough up there.
戴夫·亨特，美国元帅：那里的冬天很艰难。
And during that time, I learned a lot about Randy.
在那段时间里，我对兰迪有了很多了解。
I must have interviewed several dozen people, neighbors, friends and family, and I’d asked the question: why don’t I just go up there and talk to him and tell him he’s under arrest?
我一定采访了几十个人、邻居、朋友和家人，我问了这样一个问题：我为什么不去那里和他谈谈并告诉他他被捕了？
And everyone said that would be the worst thing you could do.
每个人都说这将是你能做的最糟糕的事情。
That he is committed and that Vicky is as committed as he is.
他很忠诚，维琪也和他一样忠诚。
Jess Walter, Writer: During this time, the media caught wind of the fact that this family of white separatists had been hiding out for over a year, and had vowed not to be taken alive.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：这段时间，媒体获悉这个白人分裂分子一家已经躲藏了一年多，并发誓不会被活捉。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: We published a story in early March of 1992 saying ‘Feds have fugitive under our nose’.
Bill Morlin，记者：我们在 1992 年 3 月上旬发表了一篇报道，称“联邦调查局在我们眼皮子底下发现了逃犯”。
In that story, I quoted officials as saying that, “We don’t want to go up there and get in a gun battle with kids.” But the marshals are stuck with a federal judge’s order saying, “Go get this man.
在那篇报道中，我引用了官员的话：“我们不想去那里与孩子们进行枪战。”但法警们坚持执行联邦法官的命令：“去抓这个人。
We’re a country of laws.
我们是法治国家。
Bring him to justice”.
将他绳之以法”。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: It was probably an embarrassing thing for the government because here’s this guy on the mountain who they think is flipping the bird to them, and, you know, they need to deal with it because it’s making them look bad.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：这对政府来说可能是一件尴尬的事情，因为他们认为山上有一个人正在向他们扔鸟，而且，你知道，他们需要处理它，因为这让他们看起来很糟糕。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: And so the Marshals intensified it and decided to have motion-activated cameras placed near the Weaver cabin so they could figure out how many people are there, who’s carrying guns, and what are our options in terms of effecting an arrest?
比尔·莫林，记者：因此法警加强了力度，决定在韦弗小屋附近放置动作激活摄像头，这样他们就可以弄清楚那里有多少人，谁携带枪支，以及我们在实施逮捕方面有哪些选择？
The tapes showed that Randy Weaver was there with his wife, and his children, and a man named Kevin Harris, and that they frequently were armed.
录音带显示，兰迪·韦弗和他的妻子、孩子以及一个名叫凯文·哈里斯的男人在那里，他们经常携带武器。
They have to have been shaking their heads.
他们一定一直在摇头。
What are we going to do?
我们要做什么？
And then, in May of 1992, Randy did an interview, and he said, “I don’t care what you do, I’m not coming off my mountaintop.”
然后，在 1992 年 5 月，兰迪接受了一次采访，他说：“我不管你做什么，我都不会离开我的山顶。”
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: The longer a situation goes on, the more frustrating it becomes.
联邦调查局谈判代表吉姆·博廷：情况持续的时间越长，就会变得越令人沮丧。
So, the marshals brought in their special surveillance team, and they skunked around the area, trying to find a location to take Randy Weaver into custody without a problem.
因此，法警们派来了特别监视小组，他们在该地区四处走动，试图找到一个可以顺利拘留兰迪·韦弗的地点。
But they’ve got a guy heavily armed, reportedly heavily armed.
但他们有一个全副武装的人，据说全副武装。
He’s barricaded in a cabin.
他被关在一间小屋里。
He’s got his family in there with him, I mean, they just didn’t know what to do with this guy.
他的家人和他在一起，我的意思是，他们只是不知道该怎么处理这个人。
Archival Sot: Marshal 1: Well, this is the approach from the east…
档案 Sot：元帅 1：嗯，这是从东边过来的……
how far you figure?
你猜有多远？
Sara Weaver, Daughter: At times I had the feeling we were being watched.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：有时我感觉我们正在被监视。
It was really hard to trust anybody at that point, even our friends that came to see us.
那时真的很难相信任何人，甚至是来看望我们的朋友。
I mean, there was always that, ‘oh, is this person maybe working for the government’, or ‘is this person maybe…’ you know what I mean?
我的意思是，总是有人说，“哦，这个人可能为政府工作”，或者“这个人可能……”你知道我的意思吗？
It was just —it was all pretty unsettling.
只是——这一切都非常令人不安。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: On the morning of the 21st of August, 1992, we approached the mountain with two teams, six people.
戴夫·亨特，美国元帅：1992 年 8 月 21 日早上，我们分两队、六人接近这座山。
We followed the south trail.
我们沿着南边的小路走。
It was a logging trail that lead to the Y area and there we split, our two teams split.
这是一条通向 Y 区域的伐木小道，我们在那里分道扬镳，我们的两支队伍分道扬镳。
Archival Sot: Marshal : At the first fork in the road, we took a left, up a steep hill.
档案索特：元帅：在第一个岔路口，我们向左转，上了一座陡峭的山坡。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: I took my surveillance team further up the mountain, above Weaver’s place, to a vantage point where we could observe what was going on.
戴夫·亨特（Dave Hunt），美国法警：我带着我的监视小组上了山更远的地方，在韦弗的住处上方，到达了一个有利的位置，在那里我们可以观察到正在发生的事情。
That particular day was nothing but to gain updated intelligence and see if they are still performing and doing their normal routines.
那个特定的日子只不过是为了获得最新的情报，看看他们是否仍在表现和进行正常的日常活动。
Has anything changed?
有什么改变吗？
And to familiarize the other deputies with the mountain.
并让其他代表熟悉这座山。
I briefed them on various trails on the mountain, and where we were gonna go to set up an outpost.
我向他们介绍了山上的各种小径，以及我们要去哪里建立前哨基地。
The other three deputies were down below, closer to the house, when the dog starts barking.
当狗开始吠叫时，其他三名警员就在下面，离房子更近。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: I was hoping that he would stop barking.
戴夫·亨特，美国元帅：我希望他能停止吠叫。
But the dog gets more intense in its barking and at that time I realized ‘oh crap, he’s on their trail’.
但那只狗的叫声越来越激烈，那时我意识到“哦，糟糕，他在跟踪他们”。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: Sam and Dad and Kevin were like, “Well, let’s go check it out.” I felt slightly torn at that moment, do I follow them or do I go home?
莎拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：山姆、爸爸和凯文说，“好吧，我们去看看吧。”我当时心里有点纠结，是跟着他们还是回家呢？
And I was like, oh, they’ll be fine.
我当时想，哦，他们会没事的。
I’ll just go home.
我就回家吧。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: And it wasn’t within a minute or two, that I first hear the first shot.
戴夫·亨特，美国元帅：不到一两分钟，我就第一次听到了第一声枪响。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: A second or two later, I heard a second shot.
戴夫·亨特，美国元帅：一两秒后，我听到第二声枪响。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: And then in quicker succession more shots and probably as many as, I don’t know, 20 rounds being fired at that point.
戴夫·亨特，美国法警：然后以更快的速度连续发射更多子弹，我不知道，当时可能发射了 20 发子弹。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: I heard gunshots.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我听到枪声。
And then I heard more gunshots, and so I started to get worried.
然后我听到更多的枪声，所以我开始担心。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: I get a radio call that says, “Dave, Billy’s been hit.” Billy Degan.
戴夫·亨特，美国元帅：我接到无线电电话说：“戴夫，比利被击中了。”比利·德根。
I grabbed my guys, I said.
我抓住了我的人，我说。
“Let’s go.” We headed in down a trail that would take us towards the Y, and we find Billy down there.
“我们走吧。”我们沿着一条小路往Y方向走，我们在那里找到了比利。
Frank goes to work on him to try and help him and he just looks up and we know from the look in his eye that Billy is gone.
弗兰克去治疗他，试图帮助他，他只是抬起头，我们从他的眼神中知道比利已经走了。
How’d it happen, you know?
这是怎么发生的，你知道吗？
What happened there?
那里发生了什么？
Jess Walter, Writer: The family’s version is that they’re chasing deer into the woods, and there’s a place where the trails come together in a sort of Y.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：这家人的版本是，他们正在树林里追鹿，有一个地方，小径以 Y 字形汇合在一起。
Kevin Harris and Sammy Weaver are coming down this way, Randy Weaver’s coming down this way.
凯文·哈里斯和萨米·韦弗从这边过来，兰迪·韦弗从这边过来。
And according to the family at that moment they see some men dressed in fatigues with dark paint, very much like a strike team, and that possibly to silence this dog, which has found their location, one of the marshals shoots and kills the dog.
据家人称，当时他们看到一些男子穿着深色油漆的迷彩服，非常像一支突击队，可能是为了让这只已经找到位置的狗安静下来，其中一名法警开枪射杀了这只狗。
Fourteen year old Samuel Weaver at that moment erupts and says, “You killed my dog, you son of a bitch,” and opens fire.
十四岁的塞缪尔·韦弗在那一刻勃然大怒，说道：“你杀了我的狗，你这个王八蛋”，然后开枪了。
Again, according to the family the marshals then fire back, killing Samuel Weaver.
据家人称，法警随后再次开火，杀死了塞缪尔·韦弗。
Kevin Harris in the meantime dives for cover, fires on the marshals, and shoots and kills William Degan, a highly decorated US Marshal in the Special Operations Group.
与此同时，凯文·哈里斯潜入掩护，向法警们开枪，并射杀了特别行动组中一位功勋卓著的美国元帅威廉·德根。
Of course the marshals tell a different story.
当然，执法人员讲述了不同的故事。
In their version of the telling, as these groups come together on this Y, the marshals identify themselves, and call out a surrender order, and it’s at that moment that Kevin Harris opens fire.
在他们的叙述版本中，当这些团体在这个Y上聚集时，法警们表明了自己的身份，并喊出了投降令，就在那时，凯文·哈里斯开枪了。
And so you have these two incredibly different narratives, the marshals believing they’ve come under attack by white separatists, and the family believing they’ve been attacked by federal agents.
因此，你有两种截然不同的叙述，法警认为他们受到了白人分离主义者的攻击，而家人则认为他们受到了联邦特工的攻击。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: I saw Dad come walking up the road, and he was visibly upset, and he was by himself, and I knew something was wrong.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我看到爸爸在路上走来，他显然很沮丧，只有他一个人，我知道出了什么问题。
Then I don’t know how long it was after that.
然后我就不知道过了多久了。
It seemed like a long time, Kevin came walking up the road, and he said, “Sam’s dead.” And then I think Mom’s, I think her mother side kicked in, and she’s like, “I’m going to get him.
似乎过了很长一段时间，凯文沿着路走来，他说：“萨姆死了。”然后我想妈妈的，我想她母亲的一面介入了，她就像是，“我要去抓住他。
We got to go get him.
我们得去找他。
I’m not going to leave him there.” And so they started heading down the mountain.
我不会把他留在那里。”于是他们开始下山。
And it seemed like forever before they came walking back and I saw them carrying him.
似乎过了很久，他们才走回来，我看到他们背着他。
He’d been shot once in the elbow and once square in the back.
他的肘部中弹一次，背部中弹一次。
My mom was a mess.
我妈妈真是一团糟。
I remember her just saying, “I’m going upstairs for a while,” and Dad following her up.
我记得她只是说：“我要上楼一会儿。”爸爸就跟着她上去。
We were just a grieving family, like, ‘what the heck just happened?’
我们只是一个悲伤的家庭，就像，“到底发生了什么？”
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: Right after the shooting, I came down off the mountain, got to a telephone, and contacted US Marshals Headquarters.
戴夫·亨特，美国法警：枪击事件发生后，我立即下山，拿起电话联系了美国法警总部。
I briefed them on exactly what’s happened, and that Billy’s dead.
我向他们简要介绍了到底发生了什么，以及比利死了。
Archival Sot: Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: This is Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal:, US Marshal Office.
档案索特：戴夫·亨特，美国法警：我是戴夫·亨特，美国法警：美国法警办公室。
I have one officer dead.
我有一名军官死了。
I need help quick.
我需要快速帮助。
We’ve had an incident with Randall Weaver.
我们与兰德尔·韦弗发生了一起事件。
I want the State Police, I want all the help here I can get.
我需要州警察，我需要我能得到的所有帮助。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: When a cop gets shot, cops get pissed off, and in this case it was a federal cop, killed on the property of a white separatist.
比尔·莫林，记者：当一名警察被枪杀时，警察会生气，在这起案件中，是一名联邦警察，在一名白人分裂分子的财产上被杀。
And of course, the word reaches Washington, DC, and it’s now, you know, in the front drawer.
当然，这个消息传到了华盛顿特区，现在，你知道，它就在前面的抽屉里。
Jess Walter, Writer: So at this point we have another bureaucratic shift.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：所以在这一点上，我们有另一个官僚主义的转变。
What started as a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms investigation, and then became a Marshals Service fugitive hunt, has now become an FBI case.
最初是酒精、烟草和枪械局的调查，后来发展为法警局的逃犯追捕，现在已成为联邦调查局的案件。
The FBI begins to scramble its Hostage Rescue Team.
联邦调查局开始紧急派遣人质救援队。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: The HRT was the super-SWAT of the FBI.
Jim Botting，FBI 谈判代表：HRT 是 FBI 的超级特警。
It was designed to handle incidents that went beyond the capabilities of a local SWAT team.
它旨在处理超出当地特警队能力范围的事件。
And Randy Weaver was reported to be an anti-government, racist, neo-Nazi sort of personality, with some connection to Richard Richard Butler, Aryan Nations Founder:, some connection to the Christian Identity movement.
据报道，兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）具有反政府、种族主义、新纳粹的性格，与雅利安国家创始人理查德·理查德·巴特勒（Richard Richard Butler）有某种联系，与基督教身份运动有某种联系。
In other words, very dangerous.
换句话说，非常危险。
Jess Walter, Writer: The Hostage Rescue Team believe that they are deploying into an ongoing firefight with a white separatist and his armed family.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：人质救援队相信他们正在部署与一名白人分裂分子及其武装家人的持续交火。
And because they believe they are going into a firefight, the rationale is given that a surrender warning doesn’t need to be called out, that that warning has already been given by the US Marshals, Deputy Marshals on the ground, so agents can open fire as soon as they see any armed adult.
而且因为他们相信自己将陷入交火，所以他们的理由是不需要发出投降警告，美国法警、副法警已经发出了警告，所以特工们一看到任何武装成年人就可以开枪。
Well, the Weavers are always armed.
好吧，织工总是武装起来的。
Chuck Peterson, Defense Attorney: They adopted a military rule of engagement.
辩护律师查克·彼得森：他们采用了军事交战规则。
This is the enemy, you may kill them if they’re armed.
这是敌人，如果他们有武器，你可以杀死他们。
And if they have a gun, you can and should use deadly force.
如果他们有枪，你可以而且应该使用致命武力。
That was actually the wording, you can and should use deadly force.
这实际上是这样的措辞，你可以而且应该使用致命武力。
Jess Walter, Writer: The very next day, a team of 10 FBI agents in the Hostage Rescue Team surround the cabin.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：第二天，人质救援队的 10 名 FBI 探员包围了小屋。
These are snipers.
这些是狙击手。
These are the FBI agents who’ve been trained to hit a dime from 200 meters.
这些 FBI 探员接受过 200 米外击中一毛钱的训练。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: That morning, we all were just trying to grasp what had happened the night before and at some point Dad said “I’m going to go see Sam one last time.” His body was in the shed.
莎拉·韦弗，女儿：那天早上，我们都在试图了解前一天晚上发生的事情，在某个时刻，爸爸说：“我要去见山姆最后一次。”他的尸体就在棚子里。
And before I knew it, Dad and Kevin had headed out.
在我意识到之前，爸爸和凯文已经出发了。
So I went after them, and that’s when I heard a gunshot.
于是我就去追他们，就在那时我听到了一声枪响。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: I ran over to where Dad was, and he was holding himself.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我跑到爸爸所在的地方，他控制住了自己。
And I said, “Dad, what happened?” And he said, “I’ve been shot.” My Mom came out on the front porch and was holding the door open, and she was like, “What happened?” and Dad’s like, “I’ve been shot.” And she started screaming, “Get in the house, get in the house, get in the house!”.
我说：“爸爸，发生了什么事？”他说：“我被枪杀了。”我妈妈从前廊出来，把门打开，她问：“发生了什么事？”爸爸说：“我被枪杀了。”她开始尖叫：“快进屋子，快进屋子，快进屋子！”。
So we get to the front porch and I’m pushing Dad through the door, and Mom is right next to me holding baby Elisheba and screaming, “Get in the house, get in the house.” At this point Kevin was coming in behind us, and I hear this giant just, boom.
于是我们到了前廊，我推着爸爸进了门，妈妈就在我旁边抱着婴儿伊莉莎芭，尖叫着：“进屋子，进屋子。”这时凯文来到我们身后，我听到这个巨人的声音，轰隆隆。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: And I felt things hit my face, and Mom dropped next to me.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我感觉有东西击中了我的脸，妈妈倒在我旁边。
It took me a second to comprehend that Mom had just died, and that it was parts of her that had hit my face.
我花了一秒钟才明白妈妈刚刚去世，是她的一部分击中了我的脸。
That’s when Dad, he went and picked up Elisheba…
就在那时，爸爸去接了 Elisheba……
and handed her to Rachel, and pulled Mom in the house so we could close the door.
把她交给雷切尔，然后把妈妈拉进屋，这样我们就可以关上门。
Because at that point we were, we were being hunted, that’s how it felt.
因为那时我们正在被追捕，这就是感觉。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Where we were based at the roadblock, it was out of view of where this was occurring.
记者比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin）：我们在路障所在地，看不到事情发生的地方。
We were down probably a good two miles or so from where the actual cabin was.
我们距离实际小屋所在的位置可能有两英里左右。
Neighbors, friends of Randy Weaver, and reporters from all over the country started gathering there, trying to get information.
邻居、兰迪·韦弗的朋友以及来自全国各地的记者开始聚集在那里，试图获取信息。
Archival Sot: Marshal: If we can tell you something, we will, but most of it will all come out of Washington, D.C. You know, I’m just trying to tell you, the weather’s bad, and we’re not going to come out and make some big statement, so…
档案索特：元帅：如果我们能告诉你一些事情，我们会的，但大部分都会来自华盛顿特区。你知道，我只是想告诉你，天气很糟糕，我们不会出来发表一些重大声明，所以......
Bill Morlin, Journalist: They didn’t let us see first-hand what was going on.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：他们没有让我们亲眼目睹正在发生的事情。
But clearly, it was a big deal.
但显然，这是一件大事。
Jess Walter, Writer: One of the things as a reporter that I reflect upon is the way we began reporting this story.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：作为一名记者，我反思的一件事是我们开始报道这个故事的方式。
Federal law enforcement only had one version of what was happening and that was the way we covered the story.
联邦执法部门对所发生的事情只有一个版本，这就是我们报道故事的方式。
These are white supremacists, they are causing some trouble, there’s a shootout with federal law enforcement.
这些是白人至上主义者，他们制造了一些麻烦，与联邦执法部门发生了枪战。
And the way information came out, you know, especially in the beginning, that-- that was the narrative.
你知道，信息的传播方式，尤其是在一开始，那就是叙述。
And then the FBI discovers Samuel Weaver’s body, in the shed where Samuel had been taken by the family.
然后联邦调查局在塞缪尔被家人带走的棚子里发现了塞缪尔·韦弗的尸体。
And the story begins to shift a little bit.
故事开始发生一些变化。
Archival Sot: Protester: You f***ing bastards!
档案管理员： 抗议者：你们这些混蛋！
Are you proud of yourself?
你为自己感到骄傲吗？
Are you proud of yourself?
你为自己感到骄傲吗？
You’re going to kill all the children to get one man if it takes 800 of you.
如果需要 800 个人，你就得杀掉所有的孩子才能得到一个男人。
You’re going to have nightmares about this!
你会做噩梦的！
You’re going to burn in hell—
你会在地狱中被焚烧——
Archival Sot: Other Protester: Right here, right here!
档案 Sot：其他抗议者：就在这里，就在这里！
Come on!
快点！
Baby killers, baby killers, baby killers.
婴儿杀手，婴儿杀手，婴儿杀手。
Smile!
微笑！
Smile!
微笑！
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: When we arrived on Sunday evening, we went through a group of demonstrators right at the bridge that were yelling and screaming, and we drove off that and then in about a mile, and then they had a big open field with tents, and trucks, and helicopters.
联邦调查局谈判代表吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting）：当我们周日晚上到达时，我们在桥上遇到了一群示威者，他们大喊大叫，我们把车开走了，然后走了大约一英里，然后他们就有了一大片空地，里面有帐篷、卡车和直升机。
It looked like a real military base.
它看起来就像一个真正的军事基地。
I was working with the FBI’s Crisis Negotiation Team.
我当时正在与联邦调查局的危机谈判小组合作。
We were called in because the Hostage Rescue Team had not been successful in communicating with Randy.
我们被叫来是因为人质救援队未能成功与兰迪沟通。
They had been bull-horning Randy in the cabin, but Randy had not responded to them.
他们在船舱里对兰迪大喊大叫，但兰迪没有回应他们。
And they hadn’t been able to get in a hostage phone.
他们也无法进入人质电话。
He had no phone in the cabin itself, so HRT had just simply been yelling at the cabin.
他在机舱内没有电话，所以 HRT 只是对着机舱大喊大叫。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: This was all going on behind a cloak of secrecy.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：这一切都是在秘密的背后进行的。
I mean the FBI is a secret agency and the public doesn’t need to know everything they do, but this was government in the dark.
我的意思是联邦调查局是一个秘密机构，公众不需要知道他们所做的一切，但这是黑暗中的政府。
Archival Sot: Gene Glenn, FBI Special Agent In Charge: If we can have your attention for a few moments we can give you an update.
档案索特：吉恩·格伦（Gene Glenn），联邦调查局特工负责人：如果我们能吸引您几分钟的注意，我们可以给您提供最新情况。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Once a day or so, the special agent in charge would come down and hold a, you know, a pretty feeble press conference.
记者比尔·莫林：大约每天一次，负责的特工会下来举行一次，你知道，一场相当无力的新闻发布会。
Archival Sot: Reporter: Do you consider this an overkill?
档案 Sot： 记者：您认为这太过分了吗？
To get two people?
要找两个人吗？
All these people?
所有这些人？
Archival Sot: Gene Glenn, FBI Special Agent In Charge: No I don’t.
档案索特：吉恩·格伦，联邦调查局特工负责人：不，我不知道。
I don’t at all.
我一点也不知道。
This is a complicated situation because in the residence there are juveniles.
这是一个复杂的情况，因为住所里有青少年。
That’s a critical factor that sometimes in our busy society we tend to overlook.
这是一个关键因素，有时在我们忙碌的社会中我们往往会忽视。
That’s a critical factor.
这是一个关键因素。
And in our society, we place a high value on a human life.
在我们的社会中，我们非常重视人的生命。
Jess Walter, Writer: At this point, they don’t know Vicki Weaver’s dead.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），编剧：此时，他们还不知道维基·韦弗已经死了。
The hostage negotiators would begin every morning by saying, “Vicki, send the children out.
人质谈判代表每天早上都会说：“维姬，把孩子们送出去。
We’re having pancakes.
我们正在吃煎饼。
Vicki, why won’t you come talk to us?
维琪，你为什么不来和我们说话呢？
You know, we won’t harm you.” Inside the cabin where Vicki’s lying dead, the family believes they’re taunting them.
你知道，我们不会伤害你。”在维琪死去的小屋里，家人相信他们在嘲笑他们。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: My dad, he lost it.
莎拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我的爸爸，他失去了它。
And he started to yell at them, and I wanted him to stay quiet.
他开始对他们大喊大叫，我希望他保持安静。
I was scared to death that they would find out his location and just open up on him.
我非常害怕他们会发现他的位置并对他敞开心扉。
But he’s like, “You shot my wife, you cowardly SOBs.”
但他说，“你们射杀了我的妻子，你们这些胆怯的混蛋。”
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: The negotiations were addressed to Vicki, because we thought she was very influential towards Randy, and we thought that she was very strong as a personality and that she would be very helpful.
Jim Botting，FBI 谈判代表：谈判是针对 Vicki 的，因为我们认为她对 Randy 影响很大，而且我们认为她的个性很强，而且她会很有帮助。
Little did we know that she had been killed, and that she was, I mean, he was incredibly offended by any mention of his wife, who’s laying in the kitchen.
我们几乎不知道她已经被杀了，我的意思是，只要提到他躺在厨房里的妻子，他就会感到非常生气。
It was awful, I mean, it was awful!
太可怕了，我的意思是，太可怕了！
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: In his mind, we had proven everything that he felt and believed and been taught to believe about the federal government was true and that it was coming true piece by piece.
戴夫·亨特，美国元帅：在他看来，我们已经证明了他所感受到的、相信的以及被教导相信的关于联邦政府的一切都是真实的，而且它正在一点一点地实现。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Ruby Ridge became a huge propaganda opportunity for people like Richard Richard Butler, Aryan Nations Founder: who wanted to galvanize anti-government hatred.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：红宝石岭成为雅利安国家创始人理查德·理查德·巴特勒（Richard Richard Butler）等人的一个巨大的宣传机会：他们想要激起反政府仇恨。
Archival Sot: Protester: You’re a disgrace to the white race!
档案索特：抗议者：你是白人的耻辱！
Disgrace to the race!
种族耻辱！
Bill Morlin, Journalist: But they all had their own agendas.
Bill Morlin，记者：但他们都有自己的议程。
Some of them were religious based.
其中一些是基于宗教的。
Some of them were neo-Nazi.
其中一些是新纳粹分子。
At one point, a group of skinheads, and I was in the front row to see this, attempted to smuggle in a bunch of weapons and guns in to Weaver hoping they could somehow assist him.
有一次，一群光头党（我在前排看到了这一点）试图将一堆武器和枪支偷运给韦弗，希望他们能以某种方式帮助他。
Jess Walter, Writer: It felt very much like there might be more violence.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：感觉可能会有更多暴力。
The FBI is trying everything to find a peaceful solution.
联邦调查局正在尽一切努力寻找和平解决方案。
Archival Sot: Gene Glenn, FBI Special Agent In Charge: We are taking every step we possibly can to, through the use of the phone, effect a surrender.
档案索特：吉恩·格伦（Gene Glenn），联邦调查局特工负责人：我们正在采取一切可能的措施，通过使用电话实现自首。
Jess Walter, Writer: I remember listening to Paul Harvey and hearing him appeal to Randy on his radio program.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：我记得听过保罗·哈维（Paul Harvey）的讲话，并听到他在广播节目中向兰迪发出呼吁。
Archival Sot: Harvey: A telephone has been left right outside your door, on your porch.
档案索特： 哈维：一部电话就留在你门外的门廊上。
Reach out and pick it up.
伸手把它捡起来。
Nobody will shoot.
没有人会开枪。
Your family wants to know what to do with Samuel’s body and also I will arrange for an attorney in Spokane to represent you in the death of Deputy Degan with a plea of self-defense.
你的家人想知道如何处理塞缪尔的尸体，我也会在斯波坎安排一名律师在德根副警长的死亡案件中代表你，并提出自卫请求。
Consider your options.
考虑一下你的选择。
I’m offering you a chance to resume the isolation you prefer with your family, if you will just reach out and pull in, and talk into, that portable telephone.
我为你提供了一个机会，让你可以恢复与家人的隔离，只要你愿意伸出手来，拉上那部便携式电话并与之交谈。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: We heard it on the radio when Paul Harvey had a message for my Dad.
莎拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：当保罗·哈维（Paul Harvey）给我爸爸发消息时，我们在广播中听到了这一消息。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: But we didn’t trust anybody for any kind of help, for anything.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：但是我们不相信任何人会提供任何帮助。
And I think it made me angry more than anything at the misinformation that we heard.
我认为这比我们听到的错误信息更让我愤怒。
I would cringe every time the media portrayed my Dad as this wild man in the woods that the Feds needed to take out.
每当媒体将我的父亲描绘成联邦调查局需要消灭的树林里的野人时，我都会感到畏缩。
Archival Sot: Radio: …
档案 Sot：广播：……
Randy Weaver sits in his mountaintop cabin…
兰迪·韦弗坐在他的山顶小屋里……
One man’s stand against the law is suddenly taking on the appearance of a full-blown war.
一个人的违法立场突然呈现出一场全面战争的面貌。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: We didn’t feel at that point very confident that we were going to be allowed to share our side of the story.
莎拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：当时我们对于是否会被允许分享我们的故事并没有非常有信心。
We weren’t even confident we were going to make it out alive.
我们甚至没有信心能够活着出去。
Jess Walter, Writer: By this time I had contacted Randy and Vicki’s families in Iowa, I had tracked them down, and they were telling another story, not of white separatists bent on a race war but on a family that took to the woods because they believed the end of the world was going to come.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：此时我已经联系了兰迪和维基在爱荷华州的家人，我找到了他们，他们正在讲述另一个故事，不是白人分离主义者一心想要进行种族战争，而是一个因为相信世界末日即将到来而躲进树林的家庭。
And that I think was the first time that the media started to shift the narrative a little bit.
我认为这是媒体第一次开始稍微改变叙事。
And, at the same time, the FBI is realizing that this is not the situation that they thought they were coming into.
与此同时，联邦调查局也意识到，这并不是他们想象中的情况。
Archival Sot: Gene Glenn, FBI Special Agent In Charge: We can’t comment on anything of that nature.
档案 Sot：吉恩·格伦 (Gene Glenn)，联邦调查局特工负责人：我们无法对此类性质的任何事情发表评论。
Archival Sot: Gene Glenn, FBI Special Agent In Charge: I won’t comment.
档案索特：吉恩·格伦，联邦调查局特工负责人：我不会发表评论。
We have sufficient resources to accomplish the task.
我们有足够的资源来完成任务。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: The FBI didn't have many options.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：联邦调查局没有太多选择。
They were at wit’s end; I don’t think they knew what to do.
他们已经无计可施了。我认为他们不知道该怎么做。
They’d reached out to Vicki Weaver’s sister and other family members and he wouldn’t respond.
他们联系了维基·韦弗的姐姐和其他家庭成员，但他没有回应。
But clearly, they weren’t going to pack up and go home.
但显然，他们不会收拾行李回家。
I mean they’ve got 400 federal agents on the payroll up there.
我的意思是他们的工资单上有 400 名联邦特工。
And they’ve got the national media watching this.
他们让全国媒体关注此事。
Archival Sot: Peter Jennings: A standoff between a man who is wanted by the FBI and a large number of federal agents.
档案索特：彼得·詹宁斯：一名被联邦调查局通缉的男子与大批联邦特工之间的对峙。
It’s entered its 6th day.
已经进入第六天了。
The man has been holed up in a cabin in a remote section of Idaho with his wife, 3 daughters, and a friend.
该男子与妻子、三个女儿和一名朋友躲在爱达荷州偏远地区的一间小屋里。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: My mom was on the floor, dead.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我妈妈躺在地板上，死了。
It was torture.
这是一种折磨。
But I didn’t want to come out.
但我不想出来。
I was scared to death of the door opening — I mean, they had proven that they were there to shoot at us.
我被门打开吓得要死——我的意思是，他们已经证明他们是来向我们开枪的。
So them begging us to come out was like begging us to walk to our death, in my mind.
所以在我看来，他们求我们出来就像求我们走向死亡。
And I think Dad felt that way too.
我想爸爸也有这样的感觉。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: When a suspect doesn’t talk to you, that’s a very negative situation.
联邦调查局谈判代表吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting）：当嫌疑人不与你交谈时，这是一种非常消极的情况。
We were government negotiators, and Randy Weaver hated the government.
我们是政府谈判代表，兰迪·韦弗讨厌政府。
That was going to be very difficult for us to overcome.
这对我们来说很难克服。
And so we realized that Randy was going to need a third-party negotiator.
因此我们意识到兰迪需要一位第三方谈判代表。
It was like, we got to find somebody that he trusts that can speak on our behalf and represent us, but we just didn’t know who that was going to be, until uh, Bo arrived.
就像，我们必须找到一个他信任的人，可以代表我们发言并代表我们，但我们只是不知道那个人会是谁，直到呃，Bo 到来。
Archival Sot: James "Bo" Gritz: The word is very encouraging, I think.
档案 Sot：James“Bo”Gritz：我认为这个词非常令人鼓舞。
I was assured this, that they have every intention of treating Randy and Kevin with utmost human dignity.
我确信他们会以最大的人性尊严对待兰迪和凯文。
Now that is encouraging, because normally you get this 1 digit IQ federal government mindset, and I was very very encouraged by it.
现在这是令人鼓舞的，因为通常你会得到这种 1 位数智商的联邦政府心态，我对此感到非常非常鼓舞。
I think we’re going to get a chance.
我想我们会有机会的。
Jess Walter, Writer: Bo Gritz was a hero to the radical right.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），编剧：博·格里茨是极右翼的英雄。
Some people said he was the model for Rambo.
有人说他是兰博的原型。
He was a third party candidate for president that year, and made his way to Ruby Ridge hoping that he could negotiate an end to the standoff.
那一年，他是第三方总统候选人，并前往红宝石岭，希望能够通过谈判结束僵局。
I think the FBI was desperate at this point.
我认为联邦调查局此时已经绝望了。
Archival Sot: James "Bo" Gritz: I have been maybe-ly overly optimistic.
档案 Sot：James“Bo”Gritz：我可能过于乐观了。
Not about Randy, but about agent-in-charge Glenn.
不是关于兰迪，而是关于主管特工格伦。
He has been so cooperative it’s as if Washington was on holiday.
他是如此合作，就好像华盛顿在度假一样。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: He’s affiliated with this Christian Identity movement, he’s a former Green Beret, he’s a big personality, and he said, “I can help because Randy and I are both Green Berets.” So, on Friday afternoon, and this thing now is in the eighth day, HRT brings Bo Gritz up in a Jeep.
联邦调查局谈判代表吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting）：他隶属于基督教身份运动，他是前绿色贝雷帽成员，他很有个性，他说，“我可以帮忙，因为兰迪和我都是绿色贝雷帽。”所以，周五下午，现在已经是第八天了，HRT 开着吉普车把 Bo Gritz 带来了。
James "Bo" Gritz: So I was maybe 20 steps from the cabin.
James“Bo”Gritz：所以我距离小屋大约 20 步。
And I said, “Randy, this is Bo Gritz, and I’m right here.” Then I saw his face in the window, and he said, “Is that you, Bo?” I said, ”Yes, I’m standing on this rock.” And then he said, “They have killed Vicki”.
我说：“兰迪，我是博·格里茨，我就在这里。”然后我在窗户里看到了他的脸，他说：“是你吗，Bo？”我说：“是的，我就站在这块岩石上。”然后他说，“他们杀了维姬”。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: So they’re up there about an hour, and he comes back, and he says, “Boy, you guys really screwed that one up.” I said, “What do you mean?” He said, “Randy’s been shot, Harris has been shot, and Vicki’s dead.” We just couldn’t believe it.
联邦调查局谈判代表吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting）：所以他们在那里待了大约一个小时，然后他回来了，他说：“孩子，你们真的搞砸了。”我说：“你什么意思？”他说：“兰迪被枪杀，哈里斯被枪杀，维基死了。”我们简直不敢相信。
It was devastating, just absolutely devastating.
这是毁灭性的，绝对是毁灭性的。
Archival Sot: Gene Glenn, FBI Special Agent In Charge: The three children are in good health.
档案索特：吉恩·格伦，联邦调查局特工负责人：三个孩子健康状况良好。
Kevin is alright, but he did suffer a wound, Randy is in good health.
凯文没事，但他确实受了伤，兰迪健康状况良好。
Unfortunately Vicki is dead.
不幸的是维姬死了。
James "Bo" Gritz: Their reaction was a physical gasp.
詹姆斯·“博”·格里茨：他们的反应是身体上的喘息。
For the people that had gathered, it was like a thunderclap.
对于聚集的众人来说，这简直就像是晴天霹雳。
Archival Sot: Protester: Never will you take another woman, Down!
档案 Sot：抗议者：你永远不会再带走另一个女人，打倒！
Never!
绝不！
Archival Sot: Other Protester: We’re going to war!
档案 Sot：其他抗议者：我们要开战了！
You’re fucking nothing!
你他妈什么都不是！
Don’t fucking touch me!
别他妈碰我！
Bill Morlin, Journalist: It was horrifying.
比尔·莫林，记者：这太可怕了。
I mean, it was the first time and we’re a week into this -- and now we’re finding out that Randy Weaver’s wife has been shot.
我的意思是，这是第一次，我们已经一周了——现在我们发现兰迪·韦弗的妻子被枪杀了。
So we now have three people dead, and the thing’s still not over.
现在我们已经死了三个人，事情还没有结束。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: Kevin was critically wounded.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver）的女儿：凯文受了重伤。
The bullet that killed my mother went through his arm into his chest and barely missed his heart, tore his arm open.
杀死我母亲的子弹穿过他的手臂进入他的胸口，几乎没有击中他的心脏，撕开了他的手臂。
I remember him begging to be just shot, put out of his misery.
我记得他乞求被枪杀，摆脱痛苦。
I was like, no, this can’t be happening.
我当时想，不，这不可能发生。
This cannot be happening.
这不可能发生。
James "Bo" Gritz: The next day came, and I went right up to the cabin.
詹姆斯·“博”·格里茨：第二天到了，我直接去了小屋。
I said, “Weaver, If you don’t let me take Kevin Harris, get him out of here and to a hospital in Spokane,” I said, “I am going to testify against you in court, because it’ll be your fault that he is dead.
我说：“韦弗，如果你不让我带走凯文·哈里斯，把他带出这里，送到斯波坎的一家医院，”我说，“我会在法庭上作证对你不利，因为他的死是你的错。
You make the decision.
你来做决定。
Now, I’m telling you, give him up”.
现在，我告诉你，放弃他。”
Archival Sot: Gene Glenn, FBI Special Agent In Charge: At 1:47 today, Kevin Harris came out of the house.
档案索特： 吉恩·格伦 (Gene Glenn)，FBI 负责特工： 今天 1 点 47 分，凯文·哈里斯 (Kevin Harris) 从房子里出来。
He was given emergency medical treatment near the residence, then transported by air to the hospital.
他在住所附近接受了紧急治疗，然后被空运到医院。
I can’t overemphasize how pleased we all are, and I want to give a lot of credit to the efforts of Bo Gritz, and we’re optimistic that we’ll be able to, in the near future, report further progress.
我无法过分强调我们所有人的高兴程度，我想对 Bo Gritz 的努力给予高度评价，我们乐观地认为，我们将能够在不久的将来报告进一步的进展。
Sara Weaver, Daughter: After Kevin left the cabin, Bo Gritz came with a body bag to take Mom.
莎拉·韦弗，女儿：凯文离开小屋后，博·格里茨带着裹尸袋来接妈妈。
I remember Dad being really, really upset.
我记得爸爸真的非常非常难过。
Everyone just started crying.
每个人都开始哭泣。
James "Bo" Gritz: When I came in, I think he was probably just holding the girls, cause I came in, went right straight to Vicki’s body.
詹姆斯·“博”·格里茨：当我进来时，我想他可能只是抱着女孩们，因为我进来后，径直走向了维基的身体。
Randy came over and he got her centered in the body bag and then I got it zipped up and carried her out of the cabin.
兰迪走过来，他把她放在尸袋中央，然后我拉上拉链，把她带出了机舱。
Randy was just -- he was grieved beyond imagination.
兰迪只是——他的悲伤超出了想象。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Randy Weaver had seen his dead wife lying on the cabin floor for a week.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）看到他死去的妻子在船舱地板上躺了一个星期。
He had a dead son.
他有一个死去的儿子。
He probably knew there was a dead marshal.
他大概知道元帅死了。
He knew there were 400 other agents down in the field below him.
他知道在他下面还有 400 名特工。
It’s like, how much longer are you going to do this, Randy?
就像，你还要这样做多久，兰迪？
And maybe common sense finally started to set in.
也许常识终于开始发挥作用了。
James "Bo" Gritz: That last morning, as soon as I got in the cabin, Weaver said, “Bo, the girls and I have prayed all night, and the girls have told me, “We are not coming out.
詹姆斯·“博”·格里茨：昨天早上，我一进小屋，韦弗就说，“博，我和女孩们祈祷了一整夜，女孩们告诉我，”我们不会出来。
They’re going to have to kill us, just like they did our little brother and just like they did our mama.” I went right up to the door, and I said, “Weaver, damn you.
他们将不得不杀了我们，就像他们杀了我们的弟弟，就像他们杀了我们的妈妈一样。”我径直走到门口，说道：“韦弗，该死的。
Don’t you tell me that we’re not going to continue when I have carried your bride out of this cabin, and we’ve got Kevin Harris, who’s still alive.” I said, “Don’t you tell me you’re going to quit now.” All of a sudden, the door came open.
难道你不告诉我，当我把你的新娘抱出这个小屋之后，我们就不会再继续下去了，而我们还有凯文·哈里斯，他还活着。”我说：“你别告诉我你现在要辞职了。”突然，门开了。
And Randy was looking at me, and he said, without turning around, he said, “Girls, get your things together.
兰迪看着我，他没有转身，说道：“女孩们，把你们的东西收拾好。
We’re going to follow Colonel Bo down the hill.”
我们要跟着薄上校下山。”
Sara Weaver, Daughter: When we finally left the cabin and stepped out into the sunshine I still expected to hear gunshots, and I pretty much expected to die.
莎拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：当我们最终离开小屋，走进阳光下时，我仍然希望听到枪声，而且我几乎希望死去。
But my Dad made the decision for the family and we just held hands and you know, that was the end of it, and I had peace with it at that point.
但我爸爸为家庭做出了决定，我们只是牵着手，你知道，事情就这样结束了，那时我对此感到平静。
They put my sisters and I in a car, and we drove down to the meadow, and it looked like a scene out of an army movie.
他们把我和我的姐妹们放进车里，我们开车到草地上，那看起来就像是军队电影中的场景。
I had just played with friends in that meadow and ridden my horse down there, I mean it was just surreal.
我刚刚和朋友在那片草地上玩耍，然后骑着我的马去那里，我的意思是这真是超现实。
There were a lot of guys walking around in their shorts like they had just been on a camping trip or something.
有很多人穿着短裤走来走去，就像他们刚刚去野营旅行什么的。
And all for us!
一切都是为了我们！
You know, it made no sense.
你知道，这毫无意义。
Archival Sot: Randy Weaver: You guys wouldn’t believe how pretty my wife was.
档案索特：兰迪·韦弗：你们不会相信我的妻子有多漂亮。
Archival Sot: Randy: Jesus Christ, the first time I saw her if I thought this was going to happen I, never…
档案索特：兰迪：天哪，当我第一次见到她时，如果我以为这会发生，我从来没有……
I broke in on a friend of mine dancing with her.
我闯入了我的一个朋友正在和她跳舞。
I’d have let Nick had her.
我会让尼克拥有她。
Archival Sot: Conspiracist: What this is, is uh, force to try to scare the average American so he won’t open his mouth against the New World Order.
档案索特：阴谋论者：这是什么，呃，试图吓唬普通美国人的力量，这样他就不会张口反对新世界秩序。
That’s all this is.
这就是全部。
Western people are independent.
西方人是独立的。
More than East Coast people who have already been pacified.
比已经被安抚的东海岸人还要多。
So they got to pacify the West where people are true Americans.
所以他们必须安抚西方，那里的人们是真正的美国人。
That’s all this is.
这就是全部。
Dave Hunt, U.S. Marshal: I remember standing at the bridge afterwards, listening to some of the guys.
戴夫·亨特，美国元帅：我记得事后站在桥上，听一些人说话。
They were joking and commenting and saying, “boy the government has really screwed up now” and it was like they wanted this to happen.
他们开玩笑地评论说，“孩子，政府现在真的搞砸了”，就好像他们希望这种情况发生一样。
I just turned around and walked off.
我只是转身走开。
I said “yeah, you know, this is what they wanted”.
我说“是的，你知道，这就是他们想要的”。
Jess Walter, Writer: People focused so much on who was to blame.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：人们非常关注谁应该受到责备。
But if you look at what happened and how many times it could have been averted and avoided, how many mistakes had to be made, and how many times both sides would multiply the mistakes, the question of who was more to blame is less interesting to me than the question of how did an all-American Iowa family end up with these beliefs.
但如果你看看所发生的事情，以及它有多少次可以避免和避免，必须犯多少错误，以及双方将错误放大多少次，对我来说，谁应该承担更多责任的问题不如一个全美国爱荷华州家庭如何最终产生这些信念的问题更有趣。
And how did the government end up treating them like a group of armed terrorists?
政府最终如何将他们视为武装恐怖分子？
Sara Weaver, Daughter: I do know there’s a lot of remorse and I know that the FBI uses what happened to my family as a training tool as to what not to do, and that is hugely gratifying to me.
萨拉·韦弗（Sara Weaver），女儿：我确实知道有很多悔恨，我知道联邦调查局利用我家人发生的事情作为不该做的事情的培训工具，这让我非常高兴。
But the same way they stereotyped my dad and blew him up into this thing he wasn’t, I think a lot of people do that with our government as well.
但就像他们对我父亲刻板印象并将他炸成他不是的东西一样，我认为很多人对我们的政府也这样做。
And when you operate out of misinformation and fear, things can go wrong.
当你出于错误信息和恐惧而行动时，事情可能会出错。
In 1993, Kevin Harris and Randy Weaver went on trial for first-degree murder in the death of US Marshal William Degan.
1993年，凯文·哈里斯和兰迪·韦弗因美国元帅威廉·德根之死而因一级谋杀罪受审。
After the longest jury deliberations in Idaho history, both Weaver and Harris were acquitted.
经过爱达荷州历史上最长的陪审团审议后，韦弗和哈里斯均被无罪释放。
In 1995, the Weavers brought a civil case against the government for the deaths of Samuel and Vicki Weaver.
1995年，韦弗夫妇因塞缪尔·韦弗和维基·韦弗的死亡对政府提起民事诉讼。
They settled for $3.1 million in damages.
他们赔偿了 310 万美元的损失。