Oklahoma City
Archival Sot: Klaver: --cuss the application and vote whether or not to approve or deny the application so they’re the...
档案 Sot：克拉弗：--讨论该申请并投票是否批准或拒绝该申请，所以他们是……
Archival Sot: Klaver (continuous): ...decision makers.
档案 Sot：Klaver（连续）：……决策者。
And you will receive a copy of my proposed recommendation...
您将收到我提出的建议的副本......
Water Resources Board meeting Oklahoma City, Oklahoma April 19th, 1995 9:02 a.m.
水资源委员会会议 俄克拉荷马州俄克拉荷马城 1995 年 4 月 19 日上午 9:02
Archival Sot: Klaver (continuous): …
档案 Sot：Klaver（连续）：……
and can attend that board meeting and present your information directly to them...
并可以参加董事会会议并直接向他们展示您的信息......
With regard to this proceeding, basically there are four elements that I have to receive information regarding…
关于这个程序，基本上有四个要素我必须接收关于……的信息。
Archival Sot: Klaver: : Everybody let’s get out of here, now!
档案 Sot：Klaver：：大家现在就离开这里！
Watch the electricity line!--
注意电线！--
Archival Sot: News Reporter: --all I can see, it looks like part of the building has been blown away.
档案 Sot：新闻记者：——据我所知，看起来建筑物的一部分已被吹走。
We’ll have to bank around the other side so I can get a better view of it.
我们得绕到另一边，这样我才能看得更清楚。
The explosion, though, went off around 9:00AM.
不过，爆炸发生在上午 9:00 左右。
And we could feel the explosion in the newsroom of Channel 9 at least 5 miles from downtown.
我们可以在距离市中心至少 5 英里的第九频道新闻编辑室感受到爆炸。
Archival Sot: News Anchor: As the chopper goes around the side of the Federal Building—
档案 Sot：新闻主播：当直升机绕联邦大楼一侧飞行时——
Archival Sot: News Anchor: --Look at that shot--
档案 Sot：新闻主播：--看那个镜头--
Archival Sot: News Reporter: --Holy cow—
档案 Sot：新闻记者：--天哪--
Archival Sot: News Anchor: --It’s absolutely incredible—
档案 Sot：新闻主播：——这绝对令人难以置信——
Archival Sot: News Reporter: --about a third—
档案 Sot：新闻记者：——大约三分之一——
Archival Sot: News Anchor: --the side of the Federal Building has been blown off.
档案 Sot：新闻主播：——联邦大楼的一侧已被炸毁。
Jesse?
杰西？
Archival Sot: News Reporter: About a third—about a third of the building has been blown away.
档案 Sot：新闻记者：大约三分之一——大约三分之一的建筑被炸毁了。
This is just devastating.
这简直是毁灭性的。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent In Charge: That morning, I was not in my office.
鲍勃·里克斯，联邦调查局特别负责人：那天早上，我不在办公室。
I was at a fundraiser about 30 miles away.
我当时正在参加大约 30 英里外的筹款活动。
We had a--a nine o’clock start, when all of a sudden my phone went off, and I was told that there had been some type of explosion at the Murrah Building.
我们九点钟开始，突然我的手机响了，我被告知默拉大厦发生了某种类型的爆炸。
The greatest fear I have is that we have casualties in the thousands.
我最担心的是我们有数千人伤亡。
At any one time there could be a couple thousand people in that building.
任何时候，那栋大楼里都可能有几千人。
Archival Sot: Police sirens and radio chatter.
档案 Sot：警笛声和无线电喋喋不休。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: I was assigned to the Oklahoma City police tactical team at the time.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警督：当时我被分配到俄克拉荷马城警察战术小组。
And we immediately started working our way towards the building.
我们立即开始朝大楼走去。
There were several vehicles on the north side of the building in a parking lot and all of them were burning.
大楼北侧停车场有几辆车，全部都在燃烧。
The black smoke was billowing up.
黑烟滚滚。
When I walked up there, there was a hole in the ground about the size of a swimming pool that was about thirty feet in diameter and about seven or eight feet deep.
当我走到那里时，地上有一个游泳池大小的洞，直径约三十英尺，深约七八英尺。
Just a big hole in the ground.
只是地上有一个大洞。
That’s when it started really sinking in that this had to be some kind of bomb.
就在那时，人们开始真正意识到这一定是某种炸弹。
Randy Norfleet, U.S. Marine Corps: The ninth floor collapsed on top of the eighth floor onto the seventh floor…
兰迪·诺弗利特，美国海军陆战队：第九层倒塌，从第八层到第七层……
and when all three of those floors came to the sixth floor, the impact threw me into the west wall of the building, face first.
当所有三层楼都到达六楼时，冲击力将我脸朝下撞到了大楼的西墙上。
And it fractured my skull and left me unconscious there in the rubble.
它打碎了我的头骨，让我在废墟中失去知觉。
Ruth Schwab, Housing and Urban Development: My office was on the eighth floor, fairly close to the elevators.
Ruth Schwab，住房和城市发展部：我的办公室在八楼，离电梯很近。
I came to rather quickly, but I couldn’t see anything.
我很快就醒悟过来，但我什么也看不见。
My eyes were in pretty bad shape.
我的眼睛状况非常糟糕。
I could hear groaning and I felt like I should have done something.
我能听到呻吟声，我觉得我应该做点什么。
And I couldn’t.
但我不能。
Jennifer Rodgers, Police Officer: When I first got there, I could see people trapped on different floors and they needed to be rescued.
警官詹妮弗·罗杰斯：当我第一次到达那里时，我可以看到人们被困在不同的楼层，他们需要营救。
And so I started my way into the building.
于是我开始走进大楼。
I thought to myself...“Why Oklahoma City?
我心想……“为什么是俄克拉荷马城？
It’s a quiet place.
这是一个安静的地方。
Nothing happens here.
这里什么也没发生。
It’s not supposed to happen here”.
这不应该发生在这里”。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent In Charge: When I arrived at the scene, it -- it had all of the -- the markings of a bombing.
鲍勃·里克斯 (Bob Ricks)，联邦调查局特工负责人：当我到达现场时，那里——那里有所有的——爆炸痕迹。
I had worked international terrorism at FBI headquarters before that and had worked many cases in the Middle East.
在此之前，我曾在联邦调查局总部从事国际恐怖主义工作，并在中东处理过许多案件。
It looked almost identical to some of the buildings that had been destroyed in Beirut and places like that.
它看起来与贝鲁特等地被摧毁的一些建筑物几乎一模一样。
Janet Beck, Social Security Administration: You know, we’d always had threats…You tell somebody, “I’m sorry, but your claim’s denied” or whatever, and you know, we’d get threats, but not anything that we ever considered viable.
珍妮特·贝克，社会保障管理局：你知道，我们总是受到威胁......你告诉某人，“对不起，但你的索赔被拒绝”或其他什么，你知道，我们会受到威胁，但不是任何我们认为可行的威胁。
Archival Sot: Matt Lauer: There has been a massive explosion at a federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
档案索特：马特劳尔：俄克拉荷马州俄克拉荷马城的一座联邦大楼发生了大规模爆炸。
It happened just a short time ago.
事情发生不久前。
A large portion of that building has collapsed and fallen away from the rest of the building.
该建筑物的很大一部分已经倒塌并与建筑物的其余部分分离。
At the moment we don’t have any specific numbers on injuries or deaths, but we can tell you that the situation is obviously serious.
目前我们没有具体的伤亡数字，但我们可以告诉你，情况显然很严重。
Helena Garrett, Mother: I tried to put the building back in my mind of where would he be?
海伦娜·加勒特（Helena Garrett），母亲：我试图让这座建筑回到我的脑海中，想象他会在哪里？
If I have to dig for my son, where should I dig?
如果我必须为我的儿子挖掘，我应该在哪里挖掘？
And so, that’s what I did.
所以，这就是我所做的。
I visualized the first floor, the second floor, the childcare was here, his crib would be here, and that’s where I wanted to get to.
我想象一楼、二楼，托儿所就在这里，他的婴儿床就在这里，这就是我想去的地方。
As I started to climb up the debris and the rubble, I remember a man yelling, “You can’t go up there, it’s too dangerous.” And I remember telling him “Our babies are in there, our babies are in there”.
当我开始爬上废墟和瓦砾时，我记得一个男人大喊：“你不能上去，那里太危险了。”我记得告诉他“我们的孩子在那里，我们的孩子在那里”。
I just kept saying, “Our babies are in there.”
我只是一直说：“我们的孩子就在那里。”
Claudia Denny, Mother: When I saw the building for the first time, I just couldn’t see how anyone could survive any of that.
克劳迪娅·丹尼（Claudia Denny），母亲：当我第一次看到这座建筑时，我简直不明白怎么会有人能够幸存下来。
So at that point I think I was thinking, “My kids are gone.”
所以那时我想我在想，“我的孩子们走了。”
Jim Denny, Father: I drove down there and met Claudia.
吉姆·丹尼，父亲：我开车去那里遇见了克劳迪娅。
We walked up to a perimeter and I asked…
我们走到一个外围，我问……
a officer, I said, “We have two -- two babies in the daycare center.
一名警官，我说，“我们有两个——两个婴儿在日托中心。
Can I -- can I go in?”
我可以——我可以进去吗？”
Archival Sot: Police Officer: Get back!
档案 Sot： 警官：回来！
Move back.
向后移动。
Move back.
向后移动。
Jim Denney, Father: I could see people that are covered with blankets, towels, whatever, that are gone.
吉姆·丹尼神父：我可以看到人们身上盖着毯子、毛巾什么的，但都不见了。
And I’m praying that one of them is not a small child.
我祈祷其中一个不是小孩子。
Jon Hersley, FBI Investigator: I knew a lot of the people in the building.
乔恩·赫斯利 (Jon Hersley)，联邦调查局调查员：我认识大楼里的很多人。
I knew the DEA agents that were in the building, I knew the ATF agents that were in the building, and those people were friends of mine.
我认识大楼里的 DEA 特工，也认识大楼里的 ATF 特工，那些人都是我的朋友。
I could not believe what had happened to all of them and how this could be?
我不敢相信他们所有人都发生了什么事，这怎么可能？
How could somebody get to that state in their life where they could be so angry and upset that they would do something like this?
一个人在生活中怎么会达到这样的状态：他们会如此愤怒和不安，以至于做出这样的事情？
Archival Sot: McVeigh: Who started the war?
档案索特：麦克维：谁发动了战争？
And who was the aggressor?
谁是侵略者？
That’s how I look at the Murrah bombing.
这就是我对穆拉爆炸事件的看法。
To me, it wasn’t a start of a war, it was a counter-attack.
对我来说，这不是战争的开始，而是反击。
The war had already been started.
战争已经开始了。
You guys think you can be ruthless?
你以为你可以无情吗？
Let’s see how you like it when the fight is brought to you.
让我们看看当战斗呈现给你时你有多喜欢它。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Northern Idaho.
Bill Morlin，记者：北爱达荷州。
It’s a remote place, it’s a predominantly white place, and it’s the kind of place where everybody sort of minds their own business.
这是一个偏远的地方，这是一个以白人为主的地方，而且是一个每个人都只关心自己的事情的地方。
In the 1980’s, a lot of extremist groups found a sanctuary there.
20世纪80年代，许多极端主义团体在那里找到了庇护所。
Archival Sot: Extremists: (White power!) What do we need?
档案索特：极端分子：（白人势力！）我们需要什么？
(White power!) What do we need?
（白人力量！）我们需要什么？
(White power!) What do we need?
（白人力量！）我们需要什么？
(White power!) ...
（白色力量！）...
Bill Morlin, Journalist: And one of those groups was the Aryan Nations.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：雅利安民族就是其中之一。
Jess Walter, Writer: The Aryan Nations had established itself in Hayden Lake as a sort of headquarters of hate, radical right-wing hate.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：雅利安民族在海登湖建立了自己的仇恨总部，激进的右翼仇恨。
Archival Sot: Richard Butler, Aryan Nations Founder: We the white race lost the war.
档案索特：理查德·巴特勒，雅利安国家创始人：我们白人输掉了战争。
A plague known as Jews won the war, infiltrated our bloodstream of our race in every country in which we reside.
一种被称为犹太人的瘟疫赢得了战争，渗透到我们居住的每个国家的我们种族的血液中。
Leonard Zeskind, Writer: Richard Butler, like many far-right people at the time, held that the federal government was in the hands of the Jews.
伦纳德·泽斯金德，作家：理查德·巴特勒和当时的许多极右翼人士一样，认为联邦政府掌握在犹太人手中。
And the only way to save America was to assert your Christian sovereignty, your white Christian sovereignty.
拯救美国的唯一方法就是维护你的基督教主权，你的白人基督教主权。
Archival Sot: Richard Butler, Aryan Nations Founder: Every major city in the United States is now non-white following the catastrophic destruction of our race in the so-called Civil War, or the War Between the States.
档案索特：理查德·巴特勒，雅利安国家创始人：在所谓的内战或州际战争中我们的种族遭到灾难性破坏之后，美国的每个主要城市现在都不再是白人了。
America shall again become white and Christian.
美国将再次成为白人和基督教徒。
There’ll be a lot of blood running one day.
有一天，会有大量的血液流淌。
I don’t advocate it and I don’t want it, but it’s gonna come as sure as day follows night and night follows day.
我不提倡，也不想要，但它一定会到来，就像白天接着黑夜，黑夜接着白天一样。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: In the 1980’s, in America, the white race is becoming the minority race…Racist groups used that as a calling card.
记者 Bill Morlin：20 世纪 80 年代，在美国，白人正在成为少数族裔……种族主义团体以此为名片。
Come join us, because the white race is going to be driven to extinction.
快来加入我们吧，因为白人种族即将被灭绝。
Daniel Levitas, Writer: The Aryan Nations attracted people from all walks of life who were white, all of them looking for someone to blame for the situation.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），作家：雅利安民族吸引了各行各业的白人，他们都在寻找应该为这种情况负责的人。
And they focused their anger on the federal government.
他们将愤怒集中在联邦政府身上。
People like Robert Mathews.
像罗伯特·马修斯这样的人。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Robert Mathews showed up at the Aryan Nations in the early 1980s.
比尔·莫林 (Bill Morlin)，记者：罗伯特·马修斯 (Robert Mathews) 于 20 世纪 80 年代初出现在雅利安国家。
And there, he met other young men like him, who thought that it was just talk, there was no action.
在那里，他遇到了其他像他一样的年轻人，他们认为这只是说说而已，没有任何行动。
Bob Mathews said, “The time has come for action.”
鲍勃·马修斯说：“现在是采取行动的时候了。”
Archival Sot: Robert Mathews: You Jews get the heck out of here!
档案索特：罗伯特·马修斯：你们这些犹太人赶紧离开这里！
I didn’t come all the way down here to hear you!
我大老远跑到这里可不是为了听你说话！
Go over there!
去那边吧！
Archival Sot: Protesters: Death to the fascists, death to the fascists…
档案索特：抗议者：法西斯分子死亡，法西斯分子死亡......
Mark Potok, Journalist: Bob Mathews wanted to start a revolution.
马克·波托克（Mark Potok），记者：鲍勃·马修斯想要发起一场革命。
He saw the United States government as a complete and utter enemy, run by Satanic Jews, that had to be destroyed.
他认为美国政府是由撒旦犹太人统治的彻底彻底的敌人，必须被摧毁。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: He had 12 or so other followers, most of whom he had met at the Aryan Nations.
比尔·莫林，记者：他还有大约 12 个其他追随者，其中大多数是他在雅利安国家认识的。
And they decided that they would basically declare war on the U.S.
他们决定基本上向美国宣战。
Wayne Manis, FBI Investigator: As Bob Mathews was formulating a plan for his organization, he discovered a book called The Turner Diaries, written by a racist named William Pierce.
韦恩·马尼斯，联邦调查局调查员：当鲍勃·马修斯为他的组织制定计划时，他发现了一本名为《特纳日记》的书，作者是一位名叫威廉·皮尔斯的种族主义者。
It was a fictional account of a group of patriots that came together in a very small number, much like what Bob was planning to do, and overthrow the United States government.
这是一个虚构的故事，讲述了一小群爱国者聚集在一起，就像鲍勃计划做的那样，推翻美国政府。
And as Bob read this, he thought, “This is us.
当鲍勃读到这篇文章时，他想：“这就是我们。
This is the plan we need to follow”.
这是我们需要遵循的计划”。
Archival Sot: William Pierce: Unit 8 will secure a large quantity of explosives, between 5 and 10 tons.
档案 Sot：William Pierce：8 号装置将保存大量炸药，重达 5 至 10 吨。
We will then drive into the FBI building’s freight receiving area, set the fuse, and leave the truck.
然后我们将驶入联邦调查局大楼的货运接收区，设置保险丝，然后离开卡车。
Mark Potok, Journalist: The Turner Diaries culminates with these anti-government resisters blowing up the FBI headquarters in Washington, DC.
记者马克·波托克：《特纳日记》的高潮是这些反政府抵抗者炸毁了位于华盛顿特区的联邦调查局总部。
It had this electrifying, energizing effect on all kinds of people on the radical right.
它对各类极右翼人士产生了令人振奋、充满活力的影响。
Bob Mathews named his group The Order after a terrorist cell in The Turner Diaries.
鲍勃·马修斯以《特纳日记》中的一个恐怖分子组织为他的组织命名为“教团”。
Kerry Noble, Former Militia Member: The Order.
克里·诺贝尔，前民兵成员：骑士团。
This is a small group, but a very formidable group, and they start robbing banks, armored cars, kill whoever they had to kill.
这是一个小团体，但却是一个非常强大的团体，他们开始抢劫银行、运钞车，想杀谁就杀谁。
They didn’t care.
他们不在乎。
Wayne Manis, FBI Investigator: Their expertise grew week-by-week and month-by-month.
韦恩·马尼斯 (Wayne Manis)，联邦调查局调查员：他们的专业知识逐周、逐月增长。
This was an organization that had taken real form and had real leadership and direction.
这是一个真正的组织，具有真正的领导力和方向。
And then they formed an assassination squad to go to Denver.
然后他们组建了一支暗杀小组前往丹佛。
Archival Sot: Radio Announcer: You’re listening to Alan Berg on KOA.
档案 Sot：电台播音员：您正在收听 Alan Berg 的 KOA 节目。
Archival Sot: Alan Berg: You never shut up!
档案 Sot：艾伦·伯格：你从不闭嘴！
I’m fed up with you!
我受够你了！
You never let me get a word in edge-wise!
你从来不让我插嘴！
Get out of here!
离开这里！
Mark Potok, Journalist: The Jewish talk show host, Alan Berg, had angered the radical right by essentially mocking them on his radio show.
马克·波托克（Mark Potok），记者：犹太脱口秀主持人艾伦·伯格（Alan Berg）在他的广播节目中嘲笑了激进右派，从而激怒了他们。
Archival Sot: Alan Berg: If you’re not a Christian, you’re un-American.
档案索特：艾伦伯格：如果你不是基督徒，你就不是美国人。
Is that your point, sir?
先生，这就是你的观点吗？
Archival Sot: Alan Berg: Good point sir!
档案 Sot：艾伦·伯格：好点，先生！
Kerry Noble, Former Militia Member: He spoke out against the right wing and the Christian Patriot movement, and members of The Order got fed up.
克里·诺布尔（Kerry Noble），前民兵成员：他公开反对右翼和基督教爱国者运动，而骑士团的成员对此感到厌倦。
Daniel Levitas, Writer: Alan Berg was shot to death in the driveway of his home.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），编剧：艾伦·伯格在家中的车道上被枪杀。
It was essentially domestic terrorism.
这本质上是国内恐怖主义。
It was born and bred Americans inspired by racism, anti-semitism, and anti-government ideology.
它是在种族主义、反犹太主义和反政府意识形态的激励下诞生和培育的美国人。
Wayne Manis, FBI Investigator: The FBI didn’t really know who these individuals were.
韦恩·马尼斯，联邦调查局调查员：联邦调查局并不真正知道这些人是谁。
But a great break happened for us when Bob Mathews decided they’re going to take down a Brinks truck that’s carrying multiples of millions of dollars.
但当鲍勃·马修斯决定拆除一辆载有数百万美元的布林克斯卡车时，我们发生了重大突破。
And so, they do.
所以，他们确实这么做了。
A very brazen daylight robbery right out on a highway.
光天化日之下，高速公路上发生了一起非常明目张胆的抢劫案。
They take this thing down.
他们把这件事拿下来。
Bob Mathews is in there, he’s clearing out money, and his pistol falls out of his waistband.
鲍勃·马修斯在那里，他正在清理钱，他的手枪从腰带上掉了下来。
And we get that pistol.
我们得到了那把手枪。
The gun helped the FBI track Mathews and other members of The Order to a house on Whidbey Island, Washington.
这把枪帮助联邦调查局追踪马修斯和凤凰社的其他成员，找到了华盛顿州惠德比岛上的一所房子。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: They convince some members of The Order to surrender.
比尔·莫林，记者：他们说服了凤凰社的一些成员投降。
But Mathews wouldn’t surrender.
但马修斯不会投降。
And after a two or three day standoff, the FBI moves in on the cabin and a gunfight occurs.
经过两三天的对峙后，联邦调查局进入机舱，发生枪战。
Wayne Manis, FBI Investigator: I’m just a little ways from the house, and the bullets are hitting right at the trees and brush line where I’m at.
韦恩·马尼斯 (Wayne Manis)，联邦调查局调查员：我距离房子仅几步之遥，子弹正好击中我所在的树木和灌木丛。
You know, he’s got plenty of weapons, he’s got thousands of rounds of ammunition; he was committed.
你知道，他有很多武器，他有数千发弹药；他有很多武器。他很坚定。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: The next evening, it was starting to get dark…so we put in some illumination rounds, and those rounds, one of them or so caught fire, and the building started to burn.
吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting），联邦调查局谈判代表：第二天晚上，天色开始变黑……所以我们发射了一些照明弹，其中一颗左右着火了，建筑物开始燃烧。
Wayne Manis, FBI Investigator: And then it was like firecrackers, just pop pop pop pop, going off everywhere, was the cooking off of the rounds.
韦恩·马尼斯（Wayne Manis），联邦调查局调查员：然后就像鞭炮一样，只是噼噼噼啪啪，到处都响，是子弹的烹饪。
At daybreak I walked up to the remains of the house and saw his charred body there.
天亮时，我走到房子的废墟前，看到了他烧焦的尸体。
Kerry Noble, Former Militia Member: Mathews death forced the movement, everybody, to look at themselves: Am I really ready and willing to die for the cause?
克里·诺贝尔，前民兵成员：马修的死迫使运动中的每个人审视自己：我真的准备好并愿意为这项事业而死吗？
Wayne Manis, FBI Investigator: The FBI was on high alert.
韦恩·马尼斯，联邦调查局调查员：联邦调查局处于高度戒备状态。
I mean, domestic terrorism was now--was top order.
我的意思是，国内恐怖主义现在是头等大事。
And there was a massive amount of investigation and arrests throughout the United States.
美国各地进行了大量调查和逮捕。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: By the mid-80s, the federal agencies had the lesson of The Order, so they knew some of the folks that had come out of the Aryan Nations were doing bad things.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：到了 80 年代中期，联邦机构吸取了教团的教训，所以他们知道一些来自雅利安国家的人正在做坏事。
They were committing crimes.
他们正在犯罪。
They were killing people.
他们在杀人。
So the Feds were interested in who’s there, and what are they doing, and what are they planning on doing next?
因此，美联储感兴趣的是谁在那里，他们在做什么，以及他们下一步计划做什么？
One visitor to the Aryan Nations compound was an Army veteran named Randy Weaver.
雅利安民族大院的一位访客是一位名叫兰迪·韦弗的退伍军人。
Daniel Levitas, Writer: Randy Weaver was a person with white separatist beliefs who moved his family from Iowa to Boundary County, Idaho to a place called Ruby Ridge.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），编剧：兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）是一位有着白人分离主义信仰的人，他举家从爱荷华州搬到了爱达荷州边界县一个叫红宝石岭的地方。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: They were 50 miles or so from the Canadian border.
记者 Bill Morlin：他们距离加拿大边境大约 50 英里。
They had no electricity, no running water, no indoor plumbing.
他们没有电，没有自来水，也没有室内管道。
We’re talking about a cabin made by Randy Weaver and his wife on a mountaintop.
我们谈论的是兰迪·韦弗和他的妻子在山顶建造的小屋。
These are people that want to be left alone.
这些人想要独处。
Jess Walter, Writer: The Weavers were deeply religious and they wanted to live in a style they believed was Old Testament Christian.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：编织者有着深厚的宗教信仰，他们希望以他们认为是旧约基督教的方式生活。
They were really imagining this fortress, this place where they could really separate themselves from a corrupt and dangerous world.
他们真正想象的是这个堡垒，这个他们可以真正将自己与腐败和危险的世界隔离开来的地方。
Stuart Wright, Writer: I don’t know that Randy Weaver knew at the time that they moved to Ruby Ridge that they would be so close to the Aryan Nations compound, which was just 60 miles south.
斯图尔特·赖特（Stuart Wright），作家：我不知道兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）当时是否知道他们搬到红宝石岭（Ruby Ridge）后，他们会离雅利安民族大院如此之近，而雅利安民族大院就在以南 60 英里处。
But they started showing up.
但他们开始出现。
At first it was purely social, they attended family picnics, those kinds of things.
起初纯粹是社交，他们参加家庭野餐之类的事情。
But as Randy began to interact more with them…
但随着兰迪开始与他们更多地互动……
he bought into the message, the anti-government message.
他接受了这个信息，即反政府的信息。
Archival Sot: Richard Butler, Aryan Nations Founder: A movement is growing all over the world.
档案索特：理查德·巴特勒，雅利安国家创始人：一场运动正在世界各地兴起。
Good men are coming forth.
好人不断涌现。
Men with iron wills.
有着钢铁般意志的男人。
Who are determined that our race is not gonna die and become extinct.
他们决心我们的种族不会消亡和灭绝。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: By the time Randy Weaver started showing up at the Aryan Nations, it was just after the whole Matthews episode.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：当兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）开始出现在雅利安国家时，正好是整个马修斯事件之后。
And, unfortunately for Randy Weaver, the Feds were listening.
而且，对兰迪·韦弗来说不幸的是，美联储正在倾听。
Daniel Levitas, Writer: They had lots of events there designed to potentially recruit harder-core folks into the compound, and it was at one of those meetings that Randy Weaver was spotted by an undercover federal informant.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），作家：他们在那里举办了很多活动，旨在招募更坚强的人进入大院，正是在其中一次会议上，兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）被卧底联邦线人发现。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: This guy got next to Randy Weaver and learned that he was clearly a racist.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：这家伙走到兰迪·韦弗（Randy Weaver）旁边，发现他显然是一个种族主义者。
That he wanted to live his white separatist lifestyle in North Idaho, but that he was having trouble putting two nickels together and that he was interested in some income, and one thing led to another, and pretty soon, Randy Weaver agrees to saw off some shotguns.
他想在北爱达荷州过他的白人分离主义生活方式，但他很难凑够两枚五分钱，而且他对一些收入感兴趣，一件事又引发了另一件事，很快，兰迪·韦弗同意锯掉一些猎枪。
Kerry Noble, Former Militia Member: In my opinion, the ATF pretty much entrapped him into making these shotguns illegal by cutting off too much of the barrel.
克里·诺布尔（Kerry Noble），前民兵成员：在我看来，美国烟酒枪械管理局（ATF）几乎让他陷入了陷阱，因为他砍掉了太多的枪管，使这些猎枪变得非法。
And then comes out and wants to arrest him over it.
然后出来想要逮捕他。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: They figured if we can arrest this guy on federal firearms charges, maybe he can lead us to other people that are doing more dastardly things.
记者比尔·莫林：他们认为，如果我们能以联邦枪支指控逮捕这个人，也许他可以引导我们找到其他正在做更卑鄙事情的人。
They did think that Randy Weaver could be flipped.
他们确实认为兰迪·韦弗可以被翻转。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: So they asked him to be an informant, which he immediately refused.
吉姆·博廷，联邦调查局谈判代表：所以他们要求他担任线人，他立即拒绝了。
Randy Weaver didn’t trust the government and was absolutely not interested in being an informant.
兰迪·韦弗不信任政府，也绝对不想成为线人。
However, he failed to appear for his next court appearance.
然而，他未能出席下次出庭。
Jess Walter, Writer: Once you don’t show up for trial, the case is assigned to the US Marshal Service.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：一旦你没有出庭受审，案件就会被分配给美国法警局。
And the US Marshal Service doesn’t know whether or not Randy Weaver was entrapped or how those shotguns came about.
美国法警局不知道兰迪·韦弗是否被困，也不知道这些猎枪是如何产生的。
They just know they have a fugitive.
他们只知道他们有一个逃犯。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: The Marshals brought in their special surveillance team and they kind of skunked around the property trying to find a location to take him into custody without a problem.
吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting），联邦调查局谈判代表：法警派出了他们的特别监视小组，他们在庄园里四处走动，试图找到一个可以顺利拘留他的地点。
Archival Sot: Marshal: Well, this is the approach from the east…
档案索特：元帅：嗯，这是从东边过来的……
Bill Morlin, Journalist: One of the things they decided to do was to have motion-activated cameras placed near the Weaver cabin.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：他们决定做的一件事就是在韦弗小屋附近放置动作激活摄像机。
The tapes showed that Randy Weaver was there with his wife, and his children, and a man named Kevin Harris, and that they frequently were armed.
录音带显示，兰迪·韦弗和他的妻子、孩子以及一个名叫凯文·哈里斯的男人在那里，他们经常携带武器。
They have to have been shaking their heads.
他们一定一直在摇头。
“What are we going to do?
“我们要做什么？
We go up there, and he’s gonna shoot at us and we’re gonna shoot back.”
我们到那里去，他会向我们开枪，我们也会反击。”
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: On the day of the shooting, the Marshals, had a six-man team they divided into two elements, and one element of three went up in the mountain to have a visual on the cabin itself.
联邦调查局谈判代表吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting）：枪击事件发生当天，法警将一支六人小组分成两个小组，其中一个三人小组上山查看小屋本身。
The other element was on the ground, closer to the cabin, when the Weavers’ dog caught the scent of the Marshals and went after them.
另一个元素在地面上，靠近小屋，当时韦弗家的狗闻到了元帅们的气味并追赶他们。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: All we know at that point is there was a shootout.
联邦调查局谈判代表吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting）：当时我们只知道发生了枪战。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Who shot who first is still subject to, you know, interpretation, but when it was all said and done, 14 year-old Sammy Weaver’s dead, the dog’s dead, and so is Federal Marshal William Degan, killed on the property of a white separatist.
比尔·莫林，记者：谁先开枪谁仍然受到解释，但当一切都说了又做了之后，14 岁的萨米·韦弗死了，狗死了，联邦元帅威廉·德根也死了，他在一名白人分裂分子的财产上被杀。
The FBI had every reason to think that when they are dealing with Randy Weaver, they could be dealing with another Bob Mathews.
联邦调查局有充分的理由认为，当他们在对付兰迪·韦弗时，他们可能正在对付另一个鲍勃·马修斯。
Jess Walter, Writer: So at this point we have another bureaucratic shift.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：所以在这一点上，我们有另一个官僚主义的转变。
What started as a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms investigation, and then became a Marshal Service fugitive hunt, has now become an FBI case.
一开始是烟酒枪械局的调查，后来变成了法警局的逃犯追捕，现在已经变成了联邦调查局的案件。
The FBI begins to scramble its Hostage Rescue Team.
联邦调查局开始紧急派遣人质救援队。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: HRT was the super-SWAT of the FBI.
Jim Botting，FBI 谈判代表：HRT 是 FBI 的超级特警。
It was designed to handle incidents that went beyond the capabilities of a local SWAT team.
它旨在处理超出当地特警队能力范围的事件。
Things like multiple subjects, heavy-duty weapons, grenades, that sort of thing.
诸如多个主题、重型武器、手榴弹之类的东西。
They were briefed on the way up to Ruby Ridge, and the implication was that it was an ongoing, war-like situation.
他们听取了前往红宝石岭的途中的简报，暗示这是一场持续的、类似战争的局势。
The shoot on sight type of situation that you would find in a war.
战争中常见的即视射击类型。
Jess Walter, Writer: Every law enforcement agency operates under a standard rule of engagement…
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：每个执法机构都按照标准的交战规则运作……
Archival Sot: COP: “Police!
档案 Sot： 警察：“警察！
Everybody get down!
大家都下来吧！
Get down!”
快下来！”
Jess Walter, Writer: Which is you first offer out a surrender warning.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：你首先提出投降警告。
It essentially keeps law enforcement from opening fire on people before they have a chance to surrender.
它基本上可以防止执法人员在人们有机会投降之前向他们开枪。
At Ruby Ridge, probably for the first time in history, the FBI’s rules of engagement are altered.
在红宝石岭，联邦调查局的交战规则可能是历史上第一次发生改变。
Because they believe that they are deploying into a firefight with a group of armed separatists very much like The Order, the rationale is given that a surrender warning doesn’t need to be called out, that that warning has already been given, so agents can open fire as soon as they see any armed adult.
因为他们相信自己正在部署与一群武装分裂分子进行交火，就像凤凰社一样，所以他们的理由是不需要发出投降警告，因为警告已经发出，所以特工们一看到任何武装成年人就可以开火。
Well, the Weavers are always armed.
好吧，织工总是武装起来的。
Jim Botting, FBI Negotiator: I got there and there were trucks and jeeps and all kinds of vehicles, even armored personnel carriers.
联邦调查局谈判代表吉姆·博廷（Jim Botting）：我到了那里，那里有卡车、吉普车和各种车辆，甚至还有装甲运兵车。
It was just overwhelming how much was happening and how many people were involved.
发生了这么多事情，有多少人参与其中，真是令人难以置信。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: Where we were based at the roadblock, it was out of view of where this base operation was occurring.
记者比尔·莫林：我们所在的路障所在地，我们无法看到这次基地行动的发生地点。
But there were an assortment of law enforcement people going across this little bridge.
但有各种各样的执法人员穿过这座小桥。
Neighbors and friends of Randy Weaver, and reporters from all over the country started gathering there, trying to get information.
兰迪·韦弗的邻居和朋友以及来自全国各地的记者开始聚集在那里，试图获取信息。
Archival Sot: Marshal: If we can tell you something we will, but most if it will all come out of Washington, DC.
档案索特：元帅：如果我们能告诉你一些事情，我们会的，但大多数都来自华盛顿特区。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: We were down a good two miles or so from where the actual cabin was.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：我们距离实际小屋所在的位置大约有两英里。
So we had no clue, as to what the FBI had in mind.
所以我们不知道联邦调查局的想法。
Jess Walter, Writer: As morning dawns on Ruby Ridge, a team of ten FBI agents surround the cabin.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），编剧：当红宝石岭黎明时分，一队十名联邦调查局特工包围了小屋。
These are snipers who’ve been trained to hit a dime from 200 meters.
这些狙击手接受过 200 米外射击训练。
Randy Weaver, Kevin Harris, and Sara Weaver decide they’re going to go out and check on Sam Weaver’s body.
兰迪·韦弗、凯文·哈里斯和萨拉·韦弗决定出去检查山姆·韦弗的身体。
They make their way out with their weapons to the shed where Samuel has been taken by the family, when a shot rings out.
当枪声响起时，他们带着武器来到塞缪尔被家人带走的棚屋。
Jess Walter, Writer: Randy is hit in the shoulder.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），编剧：兰迪的肩膀被击中。
They run back to the house, and another shot rings out.
他们跑回房子，又一声枪响。
Jess Walter, Writer: This shot goes through the door, hits Vicki Weaver in the face, splinters and wounds Kevin Harris, and drops Vicki dead to the floor.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），编剧：这颗子弹穿过门，击中了维姬·韦弗的脸，凯文·哈里斯碎裂并受伤，然后维姬倒地身亡。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: When word came down that Sammy and Vicki Weaver were dead, the crowd at the roadblock, which numbered 50, to 100, to 200 on occasion, went crazy.
记者 Bill Morlin：当 Sammy 和 Vicki Weaver 死亡的消息传来时，路障前的人群（有时有 50 人，有时到 100 人，有时甚至到 200 人）都疯了。
Archival Sot: Protesters: …
档案 Sot：抗议者：……
murderers!
凶手！
Fucking murderers!
该死的杀人犯！
Archival Sot: Protesters: …proud of yourself?
档案 Sot：抗议者：……为自己感到骄傲？
You sons of bitches!...
你们这些王八蛋！...
Archival Sot: Protesters : You call yourself an American?
档案索特：抗议者：你称自己为美国人？
These are Americans!
这些是美国人！
These are God-fearing people!
这些都是敬畏神的人！
You don’t even know your Constitution.
你甚至不知道你的宪法。
Go back and read what your founding fathers wrote…
回去读读你们的开国元勋们写的东西……
Mark Potok, Journalist: The events at Ruby Ridge lit up the radical right.
马克·波托克（Mark Potok），记者：红宝石岭事件点燃了激进右翼的光芒。
Here was a government that would murder men, women, and children in order to pursue whatever their ends were.
这是一个为了追求任何目的而谋杀男人、女人和儿童的政府。
Archival Sot: Protesters: …Come on!
档案 Sot：抗议者：……来吧！
Baby Killers!
婴儿杀手！
Baby Killers!
婴儿杀手！
Mark Potok, Journalist: And the roadblock became a gathering point for skinheads, for Aryan Nations members, for all kinds of people, you know, furiously shaking their fists at the Zionist-Occupied Government.
记者马克·波托克：路障成为了光头党、雅利安民族成员、各种人的聚集点，你知道，他们对犹太复国主义占领的政府猛烈地挥舞着拳头。
Archival Sot: Protester: You’re a disgrace to the white race!
档案索特：抗议者：你是白人的耻辱！
Disgrace to the race!
种族耻辱！
Leonard Zeskind, Writer: This was the first time the movement had gathered in such a fashion, this publicly.
伦纳德·泽斯金德（Leonard Zeskind），作家：这是该运动第一次以如此公开的方式聚集在一起。
Leonard Zeskind, Writer: It became a political event of its own.
伦纳德·泽斯金德（Leonard Zeskind），作家：这本身就成了一个政治事件。
These were people who saw themselves in Randy Weaver.
这些人在兰迪·韦弗身上看到了自己的影子。
After a standoff lasting eleven days, the Weaver family surrendered to the FBI.
经过十一天的对峙后，韦弗一家向联邦调查局自首。
Jess Walter, Writer: You look at what happened and how many times it could have been averted and avoided.
杰西·沃尔特（Jess Walter），作家：你看看发生了什么，以及它有多少次可以避免和避免。
The idea that the far right had at that moment that the government was a very dangerous entity, this case would seem to prove it as completely as possible.
极右翼当时认为政府是一个非常危险的实体，这个案例似乎尽可能彻底地证明了这一点。
Archival Sot: Onlooker: Mr. Weaver!
档案索特：旁观者：韦弗先生！
Do you have anything to say?
你有什么话要说吗？
Leonard Zeskind, Writer: Ruby Ridge, more even than Robert Mathews and The Order, became a central calling card and rallying card for the far right.
伦纳德·泽斯金德（Leonard Zeskind），编剧：鲁比·里奇（Ruby Ridge）比罗伯特·马修斯（Robert Mathews）和凤凰社（The Order）更公平，成为极右翼的核心名片和集结牌。
For them, the government was after Weaver's guns and his religion.
对他们来说，政府的目标是韦弗的枪支和他的宗教信仰。
And guns and religion became the twin pillars of the white supremacist movement.
枪支和宗教成为白人至上主义运动的两大支柱。
Bill Morlin, Journalist: In late summer of 1992, after Ruby Ridge, several members of the extremist movement saw that as an opportune moment to sort of gather everybody together and “let’s raise hell about this”.
比尔·莫林（Bill Morlin），记者：1992 年夏末，红宝石岭事件发生后，一些极端主义运动成员认为这是一个适当的时机，可以将所有人聚集在一起，“让我们对此大声疾呼”。
Archival Sot: Louis Beam: One race, one folk, one nation, one people, one homeland, we’re going to have it!
档案索特：路易斯·比姆（Louis Beam）：一个种族，一个民族，一个国家，一个民族，一个祖国，我们会拥有它！
Daniel Levitas, Writer: Louis Beam, former Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, said now is the time for you as an individual to commit overt acts of anti-government violence.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），编剧：路易斯·比姆（Louis Beam），前三K党巨龙，他说，现在是你作为个人公开实施反政府暴力行为的时候了。
Essentially, anybody representative of government or law enforcement was a fair and reasonable target.
本质上，任何政府或执法部门的代表都是公平合理的目标。
Kerry Noble, Former Militia Member: The government is an enemy of the people.
克里·诺贝尔，前民兵成员：政府是人民的敌人。
And in this war, it’s an all or nothing, you know.
你知道，在这场战争中，要么全有，要么全无。
We’re either going to win as the white race or we’re going to lose.
作为白人，我们要么获胜，要么失败。
Archival Sot: Police On Radio: Operations at this time…
档案 Sot：警察广播：此时的行动……
The water is shut off to the federal building at this time, the water is shut off...
联邦大楼现在停水了，停水了……
Dr. Andrew Sullivan, Surgeon: Probably about 10 o’clock in the morning, I got a call at the hospital, there’s a lady who’s trapped...and the only way we’re going to be able to extricate her and save her life is to amputate her leg.
外科医生安德鲁·沙利文医生：大概早上 10 点左右，我接到医院的电话，有一位女士被困住了……我们能够救出她并挽救她生命的唯一方法就是截肢她的腿。
Dr. Andrew Sullivan, Surgeon: So, I got an amputation set; I got some nylon rope and away I went.
外科医生安德鲁·沙利文博士：所以，我得到了截肢装置；我拿了一些尼龙绳就走了。
When I got to the building it was surreal.
当我到达大楼时，感觉很超现实。
There were a lot of first responders there who had pretty well set things up so they could take somebody away the minute that they found them.
那里有很多急救人员，他们已经做好了很好的准备，这样他们就可以在发现某人的那一刻将他们带走。
And then I was led into the basement.
然后我就被带进了地下室。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: We could hear people screaming.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警督：我们可以听到人们的尖叫声。
We could hear them screaming.
我们可以听到他们的尖叫声。
We could hear them crying.
我们可以听到他们的哭声。
You just couldn’t see them because it’s so dark.
你只是看不到它们，因为太黑了。
When they fired up these lights, you could see the floors had fallen on top of each other and created like a dungeon underneath the Murrah building.
当他们点亮这些灯时，你可以看到地板已经相互重叠，在默拉大楼下面形成了一个地牢。
Everywhere you looked in this floor that you could see, there were these round circles of coagulated blood that were coming through the cracks of the floor.
在这层地板上，无论你往哪里看，都可以看到一圈圈凝固的血液从地板的裂缝中涌出。
These circles were three and four feet in diameter, and they’re everywhere, seemed like everywhere, and you knew that that was a person that had been crushed.
这些圆圈的直径有三四英尺，无处不在，似乎无处不在，你就知道那是一个被压碎的人。
Dr. Andrew Sullivan, Surgeon: They led me to where Daina was trapped.
外科医生安德鲁·沙利文博士：他们带我到了戴娜被困的地方。
There was a first responder with his hand on the beam that had her leg trapped.
一名急救人员把手放在卡住她腿的横梁上。
If it trembled or moved, we were told we had to go.
如果它颤抖或移动，我们就会被告知必须离开。
The beam was lying on her leg, her tibia, just below the knee.
横梁位于她的腿上，即她的胫骨上，就在膝盖下方。
Basically to do the amputation I had to lie with my legs up by her head.
基本上，为了进行截肢手术，我必须躺着，双腿放在她的头旁。
And so I took the traction rope, and tightened it down so that I had a tourniquet.
于是我拿起牵引绳，把它拉紧，这样我就有了止血带。
And then, you know, it’s kind of like diving into ice water.
然后，你知道，这有点像潜入冰水中。
I had to start.
我必须开始。
Archival Sot: Officer: Get back!
档案 Sot： 警官：回来！
Go, go, go!
去！去！去！
Get ‘em back!
把他们带回来！
Now!…
现在！…
Mark Potok, Journalist: Just as I got to where the barricade was, this incredible scare went through the crowd.
记者马克·波托克：当我到达路障所在的地方时，人群中传来了令人难以置信的恐慌。
Someone was yelling they thought they had discovered a second bomb: “Get back, get back.”
有人大喊，他们以为发现了第二枚炸弹：“回来，回来。”
Archival Sot: Officer: We’ve got a hot device.
档案 Sot： 警官：我们有一个热门设备。
Get ‘em back!
把他们带回来！
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: They start screaming at us, “Get out of this building.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警官：他们开始对我们尖叫，“离开这栋大楼。
We have just found another device,” and of course, everybody’s heart sinks, because we’ve got people still alive in here.
我们刚刚找到了另一个设备。”当然，每个人的心都沉了下去，因为我们这里还有人活着。
Ruth Schwab, Housing and Urban Development: I was on the 8th Floor.
Ruth Schwab，住房和城市发展部：我在 8 楼。
My eyes were in pretty bad shape.
我的眼睛状况非常糟糕。
Two of my friends worked their way over to me and said, “We’ve got to get out of here”.
我的两个朋友走过来对我说：“我们必须离开这里”。
I was praying, I was saying, “Lord, don’t let there be any more bombs.”
我在祈祷，我说：“主啊，不要再有炸弹了。”
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: It turns out that it was not a real device; it had been a mockup for one of the agencies there.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），FBI 特工负责人：事实证明，这不是一个真正的设备；这是那里的一个机构的模型。
But we were still telling people, you know, that we couldn’t guarantee their safety as they went in there.
但我们仍然告诉人们，你知道，当他们进入那里时，我们无法保证他们的安全。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: I remember seeing that team down there working on that girl to amputate that leg.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警官：我记得看到那支队伍正在那里为那个女孩做截肢工作。
Everybody’s screaming at him, “Get out of there, get out of there, the bomb’s gonna--” and they would not leave.
每个人都对他尖叫，“离开那里，离开那里，炸弹会——”但他们不肯离开。
They would not leave her.
他们不会离开她。
Dr. Andrew Sullivan, Surgeon: I don’t remember how many times I thought that I had completed the amputation and we would try to extract Daina and she was still caught.
外科医生安德鲁·沙利文博士：我不记得有多少次我以为我已经完成了截肢，我们会尝试救出戴娜，但她仍然被抓住。
I reached a point where all of the blades were broken and there was nothing else to do, but I had in my pocket a pocketknife that I keep very sharp.
我已经到了所有刀片都折断的地步，无事可做，但我的口袋里有一把小刀，我一直保持着锋利。
The thing that was keeping us from extracting her was the patellar tendon and the quadriceps tendon and once I cut through that, then I could kind of get a sense that the leg was free and we were able to extract her.
阻止我们取出她的是髌腱和股四头肌腱，一旦我切开它们，我就能感觉到腿是自由的，我们能够取出她。
Archival Sot: First Responder on Radio: We have two critical patients.
档案 Sot：电台急救员：我们有两名危重病人。
I have one patient who needs immediate transport…
我有一名患者需要立即转运……
(unintelligible) with severe head injury.
（难以理解）头部严重受伤。
Ruth Schwab, Housing and Urban Development: When I got out of the building, I sat on the curb waiting for an ambulance.
露丝·施瓦布（Ruth Schwab），住房和城市发展部：当我走出大楼时，我坐在路边等待救护车。
I couldn’t see anything, but I could hear people yelling, people screaming…
我什么也看不见，但我能听到人们的叫喊声、人们的尖叫声……
Archival Sot: Responder: This is one of the criticals!
档案 Sot： 回复者： 这是批评者之一！
Ruth Schwab, Housing and Urban Development: …
露丝·施瓦布（Ruth Schwab），住房和城市发展：……
sirens in the background.
背景中有警报声。
And I thought “What crazy person did this?
我想“哪个疯子干了这件事？
Who has come in here and done this terrible thing?”
到底是谁闯入这里，做了这么可怕的事情？”
Archival Sot: Police on Radio: Ladder on that…
档案 Sot：电台警察：梯子……
On the east corner of the federal building.
联邦大楼东角。
Archival Sot: President Clinton: The bombing in Oklahoma City was an attack on innocent children and defenseless citizens.
档案索特：克林顿总统：俄克拉荷马城的爆炸事件是对无辜儿童和手无寸铁的公民的袭击。
It was an act of cowardice and it was evil.
这是一种懦弱的行为，也是一种邪恶的行为。
Let there be no room for doubt, we will find the people who did this .
毫无疑问，我们会找到干这事的人。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: The bombing of the Murrah building was the largest domestic terrorist event that had ever occurred in the United States.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），联邦调查局特工负责人：默拉大厦爆炸案是美国有史以来发生的最大规模的国内恐怖事件。
We probably had close to 500 investigators that were here in Oklahoma City.
我们在俄克拉荷马城可能有近 500 名调查员。
We had forensic teams, bomb squad teams, evidence response teams, all kinds of experts, looking for clues.
我们有法医小组、拆弹小组、证据反应小组和各种专家，在寻找线索。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: This becomes one of the biggest criminal investigations in American history.
记者 Dan Herbeck：这成为美国历史上最大的刑事调查之一。
Every police agency in the country is in some way trying to track down leads…
该国的每个警察机构都在以某种方式试图追查线索……
because at the very first they had no idea who did it.
因为一开始他们并不知道是谁干的。
Archival Sot: Ringing phones.
档案 Sot：电话铃声。
Hotline Responder: “FBI Hotline.”
热线回复者：“FBI 热线。”
Archival Sot: Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent In Charge: We have had hundreds, if not thousands of leads.
档案管理员：鲍勃·里克斯 (Bob Ricks)，联邦调查局特工负责人：我们已经掌握了数百甚至数千条线索。
Each one of those is treated very seriously.
其中每一项都受到非常认真的对待。
But at this point we cannot speculate with regard to who is responsible.
但目前我们无法推测谁应该对此负责。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: We ended up with leads in literally every state, as well as many foreign countries.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），联邦调查局特工负责人：我们最终在几乎每个州以及许多外国都找到了线索。
Whenever you have a mass catastrophe, such as the Murrah bombing, the assumption is always, “You’ve got to have this great conspiracy.
每当发生大规模灾难时，例如穆拉爆炸案，人们总是会假设：“你一定有这个伟大的阴谋。
There’s got to be multiple people involved.” And we operated under that assumption as well.
一定有很多人参与其中。”我们也是在这个假设下运作的。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: We were getting calls – even just after the bombing happened, we were getting reports by the thousands, “I saw this, I saw that.” Then we started getting calls over the radio about Middle Easterners, “Start looking for Middle Easterners”.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警官：我们接到电话——甚至在爆炸发生后，我们就收到了成千上万的报告，“我看到了这个，我看到了那个。”然后我们开始通过广播接到有关中东人的电话，“开始寻找中东人”。
Archival Sot: John Mcwethy: There has yet been no claim of responsibility for this bombing.
档案索特：约翰·麦克韦西：目前还没有人声称对这起爆炸事件负责。
Although if you talk to intelligence sources and law enforcement officials, they all say in their early guess in this situation is that this particular bombing probably has roots in the Middle East.
不过，如果你与情报来源和执法官员交谈，他们都表示，在这种情况下，他们的早期猜测是，这起特殊的爆炸事件可能源于中东。
Archival Sot: Connie Chung: A U.S. government source has told CBS News that "it has Middle East terrorism written all over it".
档案索特：康妮·钟（Connie Chung）：一位美国政府消息人士告诉哥伦比亚广播公司新闻，“其中充斥着中东恐怖主义”。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: I started making phone calls, trying to find out what was going on.
李·汉考克，记者：我开始打电话，试图了解发生了什么事。
And very quickly found out that the Feds went and raided an apartment in Dallas that was occupied by some Middle Eastern guys.
很快就发现联邦调查局突袭了达拉斯的一间公寓，里面住着一些中东人。
But then someone I spoke to said...“Do you know what day it is?” I said, you know, “What?” I had been off work for a couple of days and so I wasn’t paying attention to the calendar that closely.
但后来我采访的一个人说……“你知道今天是什么日子吗？”我说，你知道，“什么？”我已经下班好几天了，所以我并没有那么密切地关注日历。
And someone said, “It’s April 19th.” And immediately it hit me.
有人说：“今天是 4 月 19 日。”我立刻就受到了打击。
This is about Waco.
这是关于韦科的。
You know, this is about Waco.
你知道，这是关于韦科的。
Stuart Wright, Writer: The Branch Davidians had been in Texas…For over 50 years by the time that most people outside of Waco had ever heard of them.
斯图尔特·赖特 (Stuart Wright)，作家：大卫教派已经在德克萨斯州存在了 50 多年，韦科以外的大多数人都听说过他们。
They were an offshoot of the 7th Day Adventist Church.
他们是基督复临安息日会的一个分支。
They found a place outside of Waco – called it Mt. Carmel – and set up this community.
他们在韦科郊外找到了一个地方——称之为卡梅尔山——并建立了这个社区。
In the late ‘80s, a young Davidian named Vernon Howell had a revelation that God had chosen him to be their leader.
八十年代末，一位名叫弗农·豪厄尔（Vernon Howell）的年轻大卫教徒得到启示，上帝选择他作为他们的领袖。
He changed his name to David Koresh and he began preaching his vision of Armageddon out of the Book of Revelation.
他改名为大卫·科雷什，并开始宣扬《启示录》中关于世界末日的愿景。
Archival Sot: David Koresh: “So how is God gonna talk to me in the latter days?
档案索特：大卫·科雷什（David Koresh）：“那么上帝在以后的日子里将如何与我交谈？
And who’s gonna bring that book?
谁会带来那本书？
So there’ll be no excuses!”
所以不会有任何借口！”
Lee Hancock, Journalist: In about May of 1992, the Sheriff's Department in Waco got a report from a UPS truck driver about a shipment going to Mt. Carmel.
记者 Lee Hancock：大约 1992 年 5 月，韦科治安部门收到 UPS 卡车司机的报告，称有一批货物要运往卡梅尔山。
There was a box that fell apart, and some pineapple grenade hulls came out of the box.
有一个盒子散架了，一些菠萝手榴弹的外壳从盒子里掉了出来。
That’s what prompted the beginning of the ATF investigation.
这就是 ATF 开始调查的原因。
Bill Buford, ATF Team Leader: That investigation was able to determine that they were illegally converting automatic weapons in there.
Bill Buford，ATF 小组负责人：调查确定他们在那里非法改装自动武器。
That they had purchased about $43,000 worth of firearms during the year prior to it, and members of the community out there heard automatic weapons fire and explosions coming from the compound.
他们在前一年购买了价值约 43,000 美元的枪支，并且社区成员听到大院里传来自动武器射击和爆炸声。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: Koresh preached increasingly that they were going to be met with an opposing force.
李·汉考克，记者：科雷什越来越多地宣扬他们将遇到敌对势力。
Archival Sot: David Koresh: “So when we start getting into the subject of the Seven Seals, looks like someone’s gonna get a butt-whoopin’ in the near future, aren’t they?”
档案管理员：David Koresh：“所以当我们开始讨论七封印的主题时，看起来不久的将来就会有人大喊大叫，不是吗？”
Lee Hancock, Journalist: He believed that the government was going to try to invade this sacred ground that was Mt. Carmel.
李汉考克，记者：他相信政府将试图入侵卡梅尔山这片圣地。
And so, this actually would be where Armageddon takes place.
所以，这实际上就是世界末日发生的地方。
Bill Buford, ATF Team Leader: People in ATF felt that if this Armageddon that he predicted didn’t come true he was going to have to do something to prompt it.
Bill Buford，ATF 团队负责人：ATF 的人认为，如果他预测的世界末日没有实现，他就必须采取一些措施来促使它发生。
So, we decided that we needed to act as quickly as possible.
因此，我们决定需要尽快采取行动。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: Reporters for the Waco Tribune Herald had really good sources in local law enforcement and they had been tipped about when the raid was going to go down.
记者李·汉考克：《韦科论坛报先驱报》的记者在当地执法部门拥有非常好的消息来源，他们已经得到了有关突袭行动何时进行的消息。
Archival Sot: Officer: This road's going to be closed…
档案 Sot：警官：这条路将被封闭……
Lee Hancock, Journalist: The morning of the raid, a reporter was sent to the compound, and he's driving around trying to figure out where he is, when here comes a Buick station wagon, stops, rolls down the window, says, “Hey, buddy, are you lost?” He says, "Yeah, I'm looking for Mt. Carmel, there's gonna be a big raid." Turns out that the guy in the car is one of the inner circle of Koresh’s followers.
记者李·汉考克：袭击发生的那天早上，一名记者被派到大院，他开车四处寻找自己在哪里，这时一辆别克旅行车开来，停下来，摇下车窗，说：“嘿，伙计，你迷路了吗？”他说：“是的，我正在寻找卡梅尔山，那里将会有一场大袭击。”原来车里的人是科雷什追随者的核心圈子之一。
He immediately goes and tells Koresh what was happening.
他立即去告诉科雷什发生了什么事。
Kat Schroeder, Former Branch Davidian: That morning, David said that we had information that there was going to be a raid today.
凯特·施罗德（Kat Schroeder），前大卫教分会：那天早上，大卫说我们得到消息称今天将进行一次突袭。
The men were arming themselves, and the women were told to go back to their rooms and bunker down.
男人们正在武装自己，而女人则被告知回到自己的房间并躲进地堡。
Bill Buford, ATF Team Leader: We were going to be confronting 150 people on a very large compound.
Bill Buford，ATF 团队负责人：我们将在一个非常大的场地内与 150 人对峙。
They had 45 minutes to prepare for us and began firing on us as soon as we got there.
他们有 45 分钟的时间为我们做准备，我们一到那里就开始向我们开火。
Bill Buford, ATF Team Leader: I heard an M-60 machine gun being fired.
Bill Buford，ATF 队长：我听到 M-60 机枪开火的声音。
Then I heard the AK-47s.
然后我听到了 AK-47 的声音。
And then I hear the 50 calibers, just a brutal, brutal weapon.
然后我听到了 50 口径的声音，这是一种非常非常残酷的武器。
There’s no doubt these people were trying to kill us.
毫无疑问，这些人想杀死我们。
Archival Sot: 911 Operator: 911, what's your emergency?
档案 Sot：911 接线员：911，您有什么紧急情况吗？
Archival Sot: Wayne Martin: There’s 75 men around our building shooting at us.
档案 Sot：韦恩·马丁：我们大楼周围有 75 名男子向我们开枪。
Archival Sot: 911 Operator: Okay, just a moment.
档案 Sot：911 接线员：好的，请稍等。
Archival Sot: Lt.
档案索特：中尉。
Lynch: Yeah this is Lt.
林奇：是的，这是中尉。
Lynch, can I help you?
林奇，我可以帮你吗？
Archival Sot: Martin: Yeah, there's 75 men around our building and they're shooting at us.
档案 Sot： 马丁：是的，我们大楼周围有 75 个人，他们向我们开枪。
In Mt. Carmel.
在卡梅尔山。
Archival Sot: Martin: Yeah, tell 'em there's children and women here and to call it off!
档案 Sot： 马丁：是的，告诉他们这里有孩子和女人，然后取消！
Archival Sot: Lynch: Alright, uh, hello?...
档案 Sot： Lynch：好吧，呃，你好？...
I hear gunfire.
我听到枪声。
Oh shit—
哦该死——
Bill Buford, ATF Team Leader: The firefight went on for two and a half hours.
Bill Buford，ATF 队长：交火持续了两个半小时。
And when they finally they agreed to a ceasefire, we were able to get our people and get out.
当他们最终同意停火时，我们就能够让我们的人离开。
Archival Sot: Lynch: Yeah, this is Lynch?
档案 Sot： 林奇：是的，这是林奇？
Archival Sot: David Koresh: Hey, Lynch?
档案索特：大卫·科雷什：嘿，林奇？
That's kind of a funny name there.
这是一个有趣的名字。
Now listen--
现在听——
Archival Sot: Lt.
档案索特：中尉。
Lynch: Now who am I speaking with?
林奇：现在我在和谁说话？
Archival Sot: Koresh: This is David Koresh--
档案 Sot：Koresh：这是 David Koresh--
Archival Sot: Koresh: --the notorious.
档案 Sot：Koresh：——臭名昭著。
What'd you guys do that for?
你们这样做是为了什么？
Archival Sot: Lynch: Well, David, see, what--what--this-- what I'm doing is I'm trying to establish some communication links with you.
档案 Sot： 林奇：嗯，大卫，你看，我正在做的是什么——我正在尝试与你建立一些沟通联系。
Archival Sot: Koresh: No, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you something.
档案 Sot：Koresh：不，不，不，不，不。让我告诉你一件事。
Archival Sot: Koresh: You see, you brought a bunch of guys out here and you killed some of my children.
档案 Sot： Koresh：你看，你带了一群人来这里，还杀了我的一些孩子。
We told you we wanted to talk.
我们告诉过你我们想谈谈。
How come you guys had to be ATF agents?
你们为什么要成为 ATF 特工？
How come you try to be so big all the time?
你怎么总是想把自己变得这么大？
Archival Sot: Koresh: There’s a bunch of ours dead and a bunch of you guys dead, now that’s your fault.
档案 Sot：Koresh：我们死了一群人，你们也死了一群人，现在这是你的错。
Archival Sot: Lynch: Okay, let's, let's try to resolve this now.
档案 Sot： Lynch：好吧，让我们现在尝试解决这个问题。
Tell me this, now, you have casualties, how many casualties, do you want to try to work something out?
你告诉我，现在，你们有人员伤亡，有多少人员伤亡，你们要不要想办法解决？
ATF is pulling back, we're trying to uh—
ATF 正在撤退，我们正在尝试呃——
Archival Sot: Koresh: Why didn't you do that first?
档案 Sot： Koresh：你为什么不先这样做？
Lee Hancock, Journalist: By the end of this shootout, four ATF agents were dead, more than a dozen were wounded.
记者 李·汉考克：到这次枪战结束时，四名 ATF 特工死亡，十几人受伤。
And inside, five Davidians were dead and David Koresh was wounded.
里面有五名大卫教徒死亡，大卫·科雷什受伤。
Archival Sot: ATF Agent: Okay then, move out.
档案 Sot： ATF 特工：好吧，搬出去。
Bill Buford, ATF Team Leader: There really wasn't much organization as to how we left.
Bill Buford，ATF 团队负责人：关于我们如何离开，确实没有太多组织。
The three team leaders, all of us, were wounded very badly.
我们三个队长，全都受了重伤。
I was actually put in a blanket and placed on the hood of a car, and uh, I don't remember anything about the trip out actually.
我实际上被放在毯子里并放在汽车引擎盖上，呃，我实际上不记得那次旅行的任何事情。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: American law enforcement had never seen anything like this.
记者李汉考克：美国执法部门从未见过这样的事情。
They had never had this kind of loss.
他们从来没有经历过这样的损失。
They had never been met with this kind of a resistance.
他们从来没有遇到过这样的阻力。
There was shock, there was anger, and there was uncertainty.
有震惊，有愤怒，也有不确定。
Archival Sot: Rose: Tragedy tonight in Waco, Texas.
档案 Sot：罗斯：今晚在德克萨斯州韦科发生的悲剧。
At least four federal agents and a member of a cult group are dead after an hour-long gun battle at the cult’s ranch.
在该邪教牧场进行长达一小时的枪战后，至少四名联邦特工和一名邪教组织成员死亡。
Fourteen other agents were wounded in the shootout that started when law officers tried to enter the compound.
当执法人员试图进入大院时，枪战引发了另外 14 名特工受伤。
Jeff Jamar, FBI Special Agent in Charge: The first call I received was from Washington…probably mid-morning, on Sunday, which is the -- February 28th, and that the ATF at requested that we help, you know, resolve it.
Jeff Jamar，FBI 特工负责人：我接到的第一个电话是从华盛顿打来的……可能是周日上午，也就是 2 月 28 日，ATF 要求我们帮助解决这个问题。
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: I was at home with my family when the phone rang, and it was Jeff Jamar who says, “Byron, there’s been an ATF raid near Waco that’s gone badly.
拜伦·塞奇，联邦调查局谈判代表：电话铃响时，我正在家里和家人在一起，是杰夫·贾马尔说：“拜伦，韦科附近发生了一场 ATF 突袭，情况很严重。
Get to Waco as soon as you can and assist with the negotiations.” It was a precarious situation to say the least.
尽快赶到韦科并协助谈判。”至少可以说，这是一个不稳定的情况。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: The FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team, who had been involved several months earlier at Ruby Ridge, was brought in to try to contain the Davidians.
记者李·汉考克：几个月前参与红宝石岭行动的联邦调查局人质救援队被派来试图遏制大卫教派。
At the same time, the negotiators were supposed to be parallel to the Hostage Rescue Team in trying to get a handle on how to get these people out.
与此同时，谈判代表应该与人质救援队并行，试图找到如何将这些人救出的办法。
Archival Sot: Negotiator: David Koresh, pick up the phone.
档案索特： 谈判代表：David Koresh，拿起电话。
The negotiators want to speak with you…
谈判代表想和你谈谈……
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: We had four dead ATF agents, and justice was going to be served in one fashion or another.
鲍勃·里克斯 (Bob Ricks)，联邦调查局 (FBI) 特工负责人：我们有四名 ATF 特工死亡，正义将以这样或那样的方式得到伸张。
But we wanted no more bloodshed.
但我们不想再发生流血事件。
We were willing to spend as long as possible to try to get the people out.
我们愿意花尽可能长的时间来尝试将人们救出。
And particularly we would focus on the children.
我们尤其会关注孩子们。
Trying to get the children out of there.
试图让孩子们离开那里。
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: And starting off the evening of the 28th of February we were successful.
Byron Sage，FBI 谈判代表：从 2 月 28 日晚上开始，我们取得了成功。
We were starting to get kids out.
我们开始带孩子出去。
But we couldn’t fathom how in the world these parents were so latched on to David, that they would abandon their children.
但我们无法理解这些父母到底是如何如此迷恋大卫，以至于抛弃自己的孩子。
Archival Sot: Child : I’m gonna see my daddy!...
档案 Sot：孩子：我要见我爸爸了！...
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: We took videotapes of them playing on the swing set, and eating ice cream, and just communing with one another, and we sent them back in to the compound.
拜伦·塞奇 (Byron Sage)，联邦调查局谈判代表：我们拍摄了他们在秋千上玩耍、吃冰淇淋以及彼此交流的录像，然后将他们送回了营地。
We wanted to do something tangible so that their parents could think, “Maybe I need to come out and reassume my responsibility as a parent.
我们想做一些切实的事情，以便他们的父母能够思考：“也许我需要站出来，重新承担起作为父母的责任。
Archival Sot: Children saying “hi” to their parents.
档案 Sot：孩子们向父母打招呼。
Kat Schroeder, Former Branch Davdian: I didn’t decide to send my kids out.
Kat Schroeder，前 Davdian 分部：我没有决定送我的孩子出去。
My kids leaving was part of the prophecy.
我的孩子们离开是预言的一部分。
I didn’t know when it was going to happen, but I knew it would happen.
我不知道它什么时候会发生，但我知道它会发生。
They weren’t David’s children.
他们不是大卫的孩子。
Jeff Jamar, FBI Special Agent in Charge: He let children go up until there were no children left in there except his children.
杰夫·贾马尔（Jeff Jamar），联邦调查局特别负责人：他让孩子们上去，直到除了他的孩子之外，里面没有任何孩子了。
And he told us, “This is the last one.
他告诉我们：“这是最后一次了。
The rest are mine.”
剩下的都是我的了。”
Twenty-five children remained inside the compound, along with at least seventy adults.
院内仍有 25 名儿童和至少 70 名成年人。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: The negotiators needed a different way to approach the situation.
记者李·汉考克：谈判代表需要采取不同的方式来处理这种情况。
And so, it was proposed to Koresh that he make a recording that could be broadcast to bring his message to the world, if he would agree to lead his people out.
因此，有人向科雷什提议，如果他同意带领他的人民走出去，他可以录制一段录音，将他的信息传播给全世界。
Koresh agreed to do this.
科雷什同意这样做。
Archival Sot: Radio Host: Okay, here we go, we're going to the tape of David Koresh.
档案 Sot：电台主持人：好的，我们开始吧，我们要听 David Koresh 的磁带。
Archival Sot: Koresh: It’s March 2nd, 1993.
档案 Sot：Koresh：现在是 1993 年 3 月 2 日。
My name is Dave Koresh.
我叫戴夫·科雷什。
I'm speaking to you from Mt. Carmel Center.
我正在卡梅尔山中心向您讲话。
In the Book of Revelation, commentary states, that what John has written in Scripture is nothing other than the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him to show to his servants, things which must shortly come to pass…
在《启示录》中，注释指出，约翰在圣经中所写的无非是耶稣基督的启示，上帝将这启示赐给他，让他向他的仆人们表明，这些事情很快就会发生……
Lee Hancock, Journalist: They’re bringing in buses.
记者 Lee Hancock：他们正在引进巴士。
They’re bringing in all sorts of people who will process the folks coming out of the compound.
他们引进了各种各样的人来处理从大院出来的人。
They were convinced that he was going to come out.
他们确信他会出来。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: We were at such a high level, thinking that this thing was going to end.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），联邦调查局特工负责人：我们处于如此高的水平，认为这件事将会结束。
We were almost high fiving each other, when all of a sudden everything just stopped.
我们几乎要互相击掌，突然一切都停止了。
We were told that David received a message from God telling him to wait.
我们得知大卫收到了上帝的消息，告诉他要等待。
Archival Sot: Byron Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: You went back on your word.
档案索特：拜伦 拜伦·塞奇，联邦调查局谈判代表：你食言了。
Archival Sot: David Koresh: That is a lie!
档案 Sot：David Koresh：那是谎言！
Archival Sot: Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: That is not a lie.
档案索特：拜伦·塞奇，联邦调查局谈判代表：这不是谎言。
Archival Sot: Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: That is absolute fact.
档案索特：拜伦·塞奇，联邦调查局谈判代表：这是绝对的事实。
Archival Sot: Koresh: That is a lie.
档案 Sot： Koresh：那是谎言。
You will find out in the judgment--
从判决书中你会发现——
Archival Sot: Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: You know as well as I do that you're challenged to open these seven seals.
档案专家：拜伦·塞奇，联邦调查局谈判代表：你和我一样清楚，你面临着打开这七个封印的挑战。
It's garbage, it's a false hope and you know this.
这是垃圾，是虚假的希望，你知道这一点。
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: The negotiators had been duped.
拜伦·塞奇，联邦调查局谈判代表：谈判代表被欺骗了。
We’d been lied to, but the biggest problem is, we had lost a lot of credibility with the on-scene Commander, with Jeff Jamar.
我们被骗了，但最大的问题是，我们失去了现场指挥官杰夫·贾马尔的信任。
In the back of his mind he had to be thinking, “Hmm, I don’t think these guys have as much a handle on this as they hoped they did.”
在他的内心深处，他一定在想，“嗯，我认为这些人对这件事的掌控程度并不像他们希望的那样。”
Lee Hancock, Journalist: The negotiators said, “Give us a little bit more time.
记者李·汉考克：谈判代表说：“再给我们一点时间。
You know, we can work this out.
你知道，我们可以解决这个问题。
We can get more people out.” But the structure within the FBI was tilted in favor of a more action imperative approach, which gave the Hostage Rescue Team the upper hand.
我们可以让更多人出去。”但联邦调查局内部的结构倾向于采取更加势在必行的行动方式，这让人质救援队占据了上风。
So, the FBI’s tactics pretty quickly became aggressive.
因此，联邦调查局的策略很快就变得咄咄逼人。
They cut the power to the compound.
他们切断了大院的电源。
They blasted lights at the compound.
他们在大院里放了灯。
They had brought in tanks, so they drove over Koresh’s prized cars.
他们带来了坦克，所以他们碾压了科雷什的珍贵汽车。
They also set up loudspeakers and they began blasting Nancy Sinatra’s “These Boots Are Made for Walking,”...
他们还架起了扩音器，开始大声播放南希·辛纳屈 (Nancy Sinatra) 的“这些靴子是为行走而设计的”……
Archival Sot: Nancy Sinatra (singing): These boots are made for walking, and that’s just what they’ll do…one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you…
档案 Sot：南希·西纳特拉（Nancy Sinatra）（唱歌）：这些靴子是为行走而设计的，而这正是它们要做的……总有一天这些靴子会在你身上行走……
Lee Hancock, Journalist: ...Christmas carols, the sounds of dying rabbits, phones off the hook, and even Tibetan monk chants.
记者李·汉考克：……圣诞颂歌、垂死兔子的声音、挂断的电话，甚至还有西藏僧人的圣歌。
It was clear that the Hostage Rescue Team was saying, “Hey, we’re going to show you who’s boss”.
很明显，人质救援队在说：“嘿，我们要让你看看谁才是老大”。
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: There were two negotiations going on.
拜伦·塞奇，联邦调查局谈判代表：正在进行两项谈判。
We were negotiating with the Branch Davidians, and we were negotiating with our own people.
我们正在与大卫教派谈判，我们正在与我们自己的人民谈判。
We were trying to convince Jeff Jamar that if you start to exercise force against the Davidians, you’re going to drive them closer and closer and closer to themselves.
我们试图说服杰夫·贾马尔（Jeff Jamar），如果你开始对大卫教徒使用武力，你就会让他们越来越接近自己。
Archival Sot: David Koresh: Are we happy Kathy?
档案索特：大卫·科雷什：凯西我们幸福吗？
Until recently we just got shot up?
直到最近我们才被枪杀？
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent In Charge: David Koresh had his wives.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），联邦调查局特工负责人：大卫·科雷什（David Koresh）有他的妻子。
He had his children.
他有他的孩子。
He had those that were trusted leaders within the organization.
他在组织内拥有值得信赖的领导者。
Some tried to portray them as just criminals and perhaps insane, but they were totally committed to David Koresh.
有些人试图将他们描绘成罪犯，甚至可能是疯子，但他们完全忠于大卫·科雷什。
Archival Sot: Kat Schroeder, Former Branch Davdian: "I know that what I'm doing here is for a reason.
档案 Sot：Kat Schroeder，前分部 Davdian：“我知道我在这里所做的事情是有原因的。
God said to wait.
神说要等。
The God that I believe in, the God that David Koresh has shown me that sits on a throne, that has a book in his hand.
我所信仰的上帝，大卫·科雷什向我展示的上帝坐在宝座上，手里拿着一本书。
Read Revelations, it's all right there.
读一下《启示录》，就可以了。
It's so plain and simple.”
就这么简单明了。”
Archival Sot: Scott Sinobi: “I’m Scott Sinobi, and I’m not being held here against my will.
档案 Sot：斯科特·西诺比（Scott Sinobi）：“我是斯科特·西诺比，我不会在违背自己意愿的情况下被关在这里。
I want my father, Ken Sinobi in Honolulu to get my kids.”
我希望我的父亲肯·西诺比在檀香山接我的孩子。”
Archival Sot: Woman: I just think now we need to sit back and see what really is going on in our government.
档案索特： 女士：我只是认为现在我们需要坐下来看看我们的政府到底发生了什么。
That’s the whole thing that we’re upset with right now.
这就是我们现在感到不安的全部事情。
We’re waiting on God for an answer about what we should do.
我们正在等待上帝回答我们应该做什么。
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: We realized, my God, what level of control does this man exert over these folks.
拜伦·塞奇（Byron Sage），联邦调查局谈判代表：天哪，我们意识到这个人对这些人的控制程度如何。
This is going to be a tough sell trying to get these people to come out.
要让这些人出来，这将是一项艰难的工作。
Archival Sot: Reporter Vicki Maybrey: “The standoff outside the Branch Davidian compound has become a psychological power struggle between federal agents and cult leader David Koresh.
档案索特：记者维基·梅布雷（Vicki Maybrey）：“大卫教派大院外的对峙已成为联邦特工与邪教领袖大卫·科雷什之间的心理权力斗争。
Now sources tell CBS News that Federal agents don't plan to let this go on indefinitely, their frustration level is very high, and if negotiations are not more fruitful, they may take action by this weekend.
现在消息人士告诉哥伦比亚广播公司新闻，联邦特工不打算让这种情况无限期地持续下去，他们的挫败感非常高，如果谈判没有取得更多成果，他们可能会在本周末之前采取行动。
Dan?”
丹？”
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: The story kept growing and growing.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），联邦调查局特工负责人：这个故事不断发展。
And the press initially was very supportive of what we were doing, and very understanding, but as the days went on they started becoming more demanding.
媒体最初非常支持我们所做的事情，也非常理解，但随着时间的推移，他们开始变得越来越要求。
They were saying, “After all, they killed four ATF agents.
他们说：“毕竟，他们杀了四名 ATF 特工。
Why are you just sitting back and letting them do this?”
你为什么袖手旁观，让他们这么做？”
Archival Sot: Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent In Charge: We are not going to be jerked around.
档案管理员：鲍勃·里克斯 (Bob Ricks)，联邦调查局特工负责人：我们不会被人欺负。
We will take whatever action is necessary to get it resolved.
我们将采取一切必要行动来解决问题。
And again, our ultimate goal from day one is to get it resolved peacefully.
再说一次，我们从第一天起的最终目标就是和平解决问题。
Yes sir?
是吗先生？
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: It was probably the number one story in the United States, and many of the right-wing Patriot types that started showing up as well.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），联邦调查局特工负责人：这可能是美国头号新闻，许多右翼爱国者类型也开始出现。
They thought this was only about seizing guns, about ATF attacking a church because they believed in possessing guns.
他们认为这只是关于夺取枪支，关于 ATF 袭击教堂，因为他们相信拥有枪支。
They didn’t manage to get into the press conferences, but somebody else did.
他们没能参加新闻发布会，但其他人却参加了。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: Louis Beam, the white supremacist and former Klan leader showed up, and presented himself as a credentialed reporter.
记者李·汉考克：白人至上主义者、前三K党领导人路易斯·比姆出现了，并以一名有资格的记者的身份出现。
Archival Sot: Louis Beam: “Are we seeing the emergence of a police state in The United States?”
档案索特：路易斯·比姆（Louis Beam）：“我们是否正在看到美国出现一个警察国家？”
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: We figured out who he was pretty quickly.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），联邦调查局特工负责人：我们很快就知道了他是谁。
He’d previously been on the FBI’s top ten most wanted list.
他此前曾名列联邦调查局十大通缉犯名单。
Archival Sot: Beam: I’m Louis Beam, the problem is I asked them the wrong question.
档案 Sot：Beam：我是 Louis Beam，问题是我问了他们错误的问题。
I asked ‘em if they’re gonna have a police state?
我问他们是否想要一个警察国家？
And, uh, they don’t wanna hear about police state, ATF black-booted, black-suited, black-helmeted troopers carrying guns assaulting people.
而且，呃，他们不想听到警察国家、ATF 穿着黑靴、黑西装、黑头盔的士兵拿着枪袭击人们。
Archival Sot: Security: Mr. Beam?
档案 Sot：保安：Beam 先生？
Let me see this please…
请让我看看这个...
Leonard Zeskind, Writer: White supremacists, like Beam, saw in this standoff the same issues that they had decided were important with Randy Weaver.
伦纳德·泽斯金德（Leonard Zeskind），作家：像比姆一样的白人至上主义者在这场对峙中看到了他们认为对兰迪·韦弗很重要的同样问题。
The Branch Davidians were not white supremacists.
大卫教派不是白人至上主义者。
But now a broader section of the far right sees itself in Waco and says we’re being suppressed, for our beliefs and our guns.
但现在，更广泛的极右势力在韦科看到了自己，并说我们因为我们的信仰和枪支而受到镇压。
Archival Sot: Tourist: Up to the top of the hill, two white little buildings up there.
档案索特： 游客： 到了山顶，那里有两座白色的小建筑。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: There was a hill that was about three miles from Mt. Carmel.
李汉考克，记者：有一座小山，距离卡梅尔山大约三英里。
It was on a rise that was high enough that you could just barely see Mt. Carmel in the distance.
它位于一个高度足够高的山丘上，你几乎无法看到远处的卡梅尔山。
This was as close as members of the public could get to the standoff.
这是公众所能达到的最接近的僵局。
Archival Sot: Paranoid Woman: You're next, you're next!
档案 Sot：偏执女人：下一个就是你，下一个就是你！
Wake up and understand!
醒醒就明白了！
You're next!
下一个就是你！
Lee Hancock, Journalist: All sorts of folks felt moved to come down to see what was going on at Waco.
记者李·汉考克：各种各样的人都感到很感动，纷纷来到韦科看看发生了什么。
One of those drawn to Waco was a 24 year-old Army veteran named Timothy Mcveigh.
被韦科吸引的人之一是一位 24 岁的退伍军人，名叫蒂莫西·麦克维 (Timothy Mcveigh)。
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: Just, just arrived today.
档案 Sot： Mcveigh：刚刚，今天刚到。
I guess, somebody told me a lot of people are scared to put something on like this…
我想，有人告诉我很多人都害怕穿这样的东西......
Lee Hancock, Journalist: Timothy Mcveigh had already apparently been very concerned about what had happened at Ruby Ridge.
李·汉考克，记者：蒂莫西·麦克维显然已经非常担心红宝石岭发生的事情。
So he came down to Waco and sold bumper stickers with pro-gun, anti-government slogans.
于是，他来到韦科，出售带有支持枪支、反政府口号的保险杠贴纸。
He saw the raid and the siege as clear evidence of what the government would do to try to confiscate guns and persecute gun owners.
他认为这次突袭和围攻清楚地表明了政府将采取哪些措施来没收枪支并迫害枪支拥有者。
Dan Herbeck, Biographer: Tim Mcveigh loved guns.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），传记作者：蒂姆·麦克维（Tim Mcveigh）热爱枪支。
When he was a kid, his grandfather taught him all about guns.
当他还是个孩子的时候，他的祖父就教他所有关于枪支的知识。
The safe handling of guns and the rights of gun owners.
枪支的安全处理和枪支拥有者的权利。
They would go out and shoot together, go to target practice.
他们会一起出去射击，一起去打靶练习。
He just loved guns.
他只是喜欢枪。
Dan Herbeck, Biographer: And the whole belief about “a man owning guns”.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），传记作家：以及关于“拥有枪支的人”的整个信念。
Lou Michel, Biographer: Pendleton, NY was white suburbia.
卢·米歇尔（Lou Michel），传记作者：纽约州彭德尔顿是白人郊区。
It‘s near Buffalo; it’s where generations of the Mcveigh family had lived.
它靠近布法罗；这是麦克维家族几代人居住的地方。
Lou Michel, Biographer: Growing up, Tim loved superheroes, he had a huge comic book collection, he liked Soldier of Fortune magazine, and he hated bullies.
卢·米歇尔（Lou Michel），传记作家：蒂姆在成长过程中喜欢超级英雄，他收藏了大量漫画书，喜欢《财富士兵》杂志，并且讨厌恶霸。
Tim was very skinny and tall and in high school he was known as “Noodle” Mcveigh.
蒂姆非常瘦高，在高中时他被称为“面条”麦克维。
That was the beginning of a lifelong hatred of bullies.
从此开始了对恶霸的终生仇恨。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: After high school, he went into the army.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：高中毕业后，他参军了。
He just couldn’t seem to find the right path to a career.
他似乎找不到正确的职业道路。
But the other reason was he loved guns.
但另一个原因是他喜欢枪。
It gave him access to all kinds of guns and other weapons and he was like a kid in a candy store.
它使他能够获得各种枪支和其他武器，他就像糖果店里的孩子一样。
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: I was an admitted gun enthusiast and so you can’t go wrong both brushing up your skills and hell the Army is free ammunition.
档案索特：麦克维：我是一名公认的枪支爱好者，所以无论是提高你的技能还是地狱军队都是免费弹药，你都不会出错。
So I wanted to get out and experience the rest of the world.
所以我想出去体验一下世界其他地方。
I wanted to get out of my isolation of Pendleton.
我想摆脱对彭德尔顿的孤立。
Lou Michel, Biographer: The army provided Tim mcveigh with a place where he fit in.
传记作者卢·米歇尔：军队为蒂姆·麦克维提供了一个适合他的地方。
He was the top gun at Fort Riley in his Bradley fighting vehicle.
他驾驶布拉德利战车是莱利堡的主力。
His supervisors took notice of him.
他的上司注意到了他。
He was a leader in the army.
他是军队的领导人。
And then he goes over to Iraq for the first Gulf War.
然后他前往伊拉克参加第一次海湾战争。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: It was in the war that Mcveigh first started to become disillusioned with the military and the United States government.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：在战争期间，麦克维第一次开始对军队和美国政府感到失望。
When he killed Iraqi soldiers he didn’t feel the exhilaration that he thought he would.
当他杀死伊拉克士兵时，他并没有感受到他想象中的兴奋。
Mark Potok, Journalist: He took a very, very long sniper shot and killed an Iraqi soldier, and he described seeing this man’s head explode.
马克·波托克（Mark Potok），记者：他用非常非常长的狙击枪射杀了一名伊拉克士兵，他描述说看到这个人的头部爆炸。
And he could not see the reason for it.
他看不出其中的原因。
He could not really understand what the United States was doing there.
他无法真正理解美国在那里做什么。
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: My overall experience in the Gulf War taught me that these people were just that, they were people.
档案索特：麦克维：我在海湾战争中的整体经历告诉我，这些人就是这样，他们就是人。
They were human beings at the core, they were no different than me.
他们本质上都是人，和我没有什么不同。
Then I had to reconcile that with the fact that, well, I killed them.
然后我必须将这一点与我杀了他们的事实相协调。
Lou Michel, Biographer: He’s truly conflicted.
传记作者卢·米歇尔：他真的很矛盾。
He sees the American government as a bully.
他认为美国政府是一个恶霸。
But they summon him home for Ranger school, Special Forces.
但他们把他叫回家去特种部队游骑兵学校。
And he was willing to put aside his anti-government views in order to become the ultimate soldier.
他愿意抛开反政府观点，以成为最终的士兵。
But he’s not in top-notch physical shape and to his embarrassment, washes out of Rangers school.
但他的身体状况并不一流，令他尴尬的是，他被流浪者队学校淘汰了。
And the disillusionment compounds itself.
而幻灭感本身又会加剧。
Dan Herbeck, Biographer: He stayed around the army for a few more months but his heart just wasn’t in it anymore.
丹·赫贝克，传记作者：他在军队里又呆了几个月，但他的心已经不在了。
He went back home and he thought it would be easy to get a good job because of his army experience, but he found that it wasn’t.
回到家后，他以为凭借自己的部队经历很容易找到一份好工作，但他发现事实并非如此。
Failure was eating at him.
失败正在吞噬着他。
He told us that “I feel that I reached a pinnacle in the army and after that everything was just mediocrity”.
他告诉我们，“我觉得我在军队达到了顶峰，之后一切都只是平庸”。
Ben Fenwick, Journalist: He becomes more and more disaffected.
本·芬威克，记者：他变得越来越不满。
He becomes more and more strident.
他变得越来越尖锐。
He began paying attention to the really far-off conspiracies, like that the United Nations was going to take over the United States, and he totally bought into them.
他开始关注那些真正遥远的阴谋，比如联合国将接管美国，他完全相信了这些阴谋。
And he also becomes very influenced by The Turner Diaries .
他也深受《特纳日记》的影响。
He becomes just gripped by this novel.
他被这本小说所吸引。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: He was really interested in this character Earl Turner and his anti-government views and his feeling that you needed to take drastic action to make the government take notice.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：他对厄尔·特纳（Earl Turner）这个角色以及他的反政府观点以及他认为需要采取严厉行动才能引起政府注意的感觉非常感兴趣。
Ben Fenwick, Journalist: Early in 1992, Mcveigh wrote a letter to the Lockport News & Journal, saying, “I don’t want there to be blood in the streets, but it may come to that”.
本·芬威克（Ben Fenwick），记者：1992 年初，麦克维给《洛克波特新闻与日报》写了一封信，说：“我不希望街上出现流血事件，但事情可能会变成这样”。
Lou Michel, Biographer: Many people dislike the government, but they don’t write the type of letter to the hometown newspaper that Timothy Mcveigh did.
卢·米歇尔，传记作者：很多人不喜欢政府，但他们不会像蒂莫西·麦克维那样给家乡报纸写信。
This was one of the first public signs, where we really know that this guy is harboring some dangerous thoughts.
这是第一个公开迹象，我们确实知道这个人怀有一些危险的想法。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: And then Ruby Ridge happened.
Dan Herbeck，记者：然后 Ruby Ridge 发生了。
And Ruby Ridge absolutely enraged mcveigh.
鲁比·里奇彻底激怒了麦克维。
He was very upset with the way the government handled that.
他对政府的处理方式感到非常不满。
He felt it was murder.
他觉得这是谋杀。
He felt it was all about attacking the rights of people to own guns.
他认为这完全是为了攻击人们拥有枪支的权利。
Mark Potok, Journalist: He was not happy.
记者马克·波托克：他不高兴。
He wasn’t getting along with his family.
他与家人相处不好。
He didn’t have a girlfriend.
他没有女朋友。
He took his old beat-up car and essentially began an odyssey, traveling around the western parts of the country, kind of absorbing more and more and more of this ideology.
他开着他那辆破旧的汽车，基本上开始了一场冒险之旅，在这个国家的西部地区旅行，吸收了越来越多的这种意识形态。
And probably the single most important place where ideas of the radical right were spread were gun shows.
传播极右思想的最重要的地方可能就是枪展。
Daniel Levitas, Writer: Gun shows were sometimes more than just gun shows.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），作家：枪支表演有时不仅仅是枪支表演。
The anti-government message which cloaked itself in the paraphernalia of patriotism was promoted and peddled at gun shows all over.
披着爱国主义外衣的反政府信息在各地的枪支展上得到宣传和兜售。
Leonard Zeskind, Writer: There were a number of people who traveled from gun show to gun show, selling and trading, and Timothy Mcveigh became one of these people, and in the process, he met white supremacists, and talked to them, he sold The Turner Diaries, he became embroiled in the larger movement.
作家伦纳德·泽斯金德：有很多人从一个枪展跑到另一个枪展，进行销售和交易，蒂莫西·麦克维成为了这些人中的一员，在这个过程中，他遇到了白人至上主义者，并与他们交谈，他出售了《特纳日记》，他卷入了更大的运动。
Lou Michel, Biographer: And then he shows up at Waco.
传记作者卢·米歇尔：然后他出现在韦科。
He can’t believe it that American citizens are being held there by government agents.
他不敢相信美国公民被政府特工关押在那里。
And it rivets his attention.
这吸引了他的注意力。
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: Who were the aggressors?
档案索特：麦克维：谁是侵略者？
Koresh wasn't giving in, that's true, but the FBI were the aggressors, okay?
科雷什没有屈服，这是事实，但联邦调查局才是侵略者，好吗？
Everything they do exudes that they are at war.
他们所做的一切都表明他们正处于战争之中。
They're a military force at war.
他们是战争中的军事力量。
The thing is who are they at war with?
问题是他们在和谁交战？
Well, they're at war with the American people.
好吧，他们正在与美国人民交战。
Archival Sot: Sam Donaldson: In Waco, Texas the 40th day of the siege at David Koresh’s compound is ending just like the other 39 – with Koresh and his followers on the inside, federal agents outside waiting for something to happen.
档案作者：萨姆·唐纳森：在德克萨斯州韦科，大卫·科雷什 (David Koresh) 的围困第 40 天即将结束，就像其他 39 天一样 - 科雷什和他的追随者在里面，联邦特工在外面等待着事情的发生。
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: As the negotiations continued, the productivity of those negotiations diminished, mainly I think because David was done sending out the people that he intended to send out.
拜伦·塞奇，联邦调查局谈判代表：随着谈判的继续，谈判的效率下降了，我认为主要是因为大卫已经派出了他打算派出的人。
Kat Schroeder, Former Branch Davdian: Those of us that left were leaving because we were not good for the group.
Kat Schroeder，前 Davdian 分部：我们这些离开的人离开是因为我们对团队不利。
We were not going to help the group ascend.
我们不会帮助团队提升。
So we were kicked out.
所以我们被赶了出去。
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: The last person came out of that compound on the 21st of March.
Byron Sage，FBI 谈判代表：最后一个人在 3 月 21 日走出该院落。
The last child came out the 5th of March.
最后一个孩子于 3 月 5 日出生。
We were in a very difficult situation.
我们的处境非常困难。
Archival Sot: Koresh: You guys, you guys you do it your way, I do it my way.
档案 Sot： Koresh：你们，你们按照你们的方式做，我也按照我的方式做。
You're going to argue with me, you catch me on the side of the road somewhere, and you come and argue with me.
你要和我争论，你在路边某个地方遇见我，然后你过来和我争论。
You come pointing guns in the direction of my wives and my kids, dammit, I'll meet you at the door any time.
你用枪指着我妻子和孩子的方向，该死，我随时会在门口遇见你。
Jeff Jamar, FBI Special Agent in Charge: Nobody’s fooled here.
杰夫·贾马尔（Jeff Jamar），联邦调查局特工负责人：这里没有人被愚弄。
We’re not negotiating, okay?
我们不谈判，好吗？
That’s over, if it ever existed.
如果它曾经存在的话，那就结束了。
We weren’t accomplishing anything.
我们什么也没完成。
We were just in a situation that, all it could do was grow worse.
我们只是处于这样一种情况，它所能做的就是变得更糟。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: His rhetoric is getting more and more violent.
FBI特工鲍勃·里克斯：他的言论越来越暴力。
He’s refusing to talk to us.
他拒绝和我们说话。
Our psychologists reached the conclusion that he’s more than likely getting ready to bring this down to a magnificent end - unless we engage in some sort of a tactical intervention.
我们的心理学家得出的结论是，他很可能已经准备好让这件事有一个美好的结局——除非我们采取某种战术干预。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: More and more people within the Bureau, including the negotiators, began to come around to the idea that they needed to do something to force Koresh’s hand.
记者李·汉考克：调查局内越来越多的人，包括谈判代表，开始意识到他们需要采取一些措施来迫使科雷什屈服。
So the FBI went to the Attorney General, Janet Reno, with a plan to use armored vehicles to knock holes into the building and spray in tear gas.
因此，联邦调查局找到了司法部长珍妮特·雷诺，计划使用装甲车在建筑物上敲洞并喷洒催泪瓦斯。
Initially she refused it.
起初她拒绝了。
She asked for more information.
她要求提供更多信息。
So the FBI went back with testimony, from former Davidians, of child sexual abuse going on in Mt Carmel.
因此，联邦调查局带回了前大卫教徒的证词，证明卡梅尔山发生了儿童性虐待事件。
And she saw the videotape evidence of these young girls with these babies, and it confirmed to her that this was going on.
她看到了这些年轻女孩带着这些婴儿的录像证据，这向她证实了事情正在发生。
Apparently, at that point, Janet Reno approved the plan.
显然，当时珍妮特·雷诺批准了该计划。
Archival Sot: Steve Schneider: Everybody grab your mask, everybody grab your mask!
档案 Sot：史蒂夫·施奈德：每个人都抓住你的面具，每个人都抓住你的面具！
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: A number of times early on, we had gotten court authorized permission to insert microphones into that building.
拜伦·塞奇 (Byron Sage)，联邦调查局谈判代表：早些时候，我们曾多次获得法院授权，可以将麦克风插入该大楼。
That morning, we couldn’t hear anything live because there was too much noise, too much ambient noise.
那天早上，我们听不到任何现场直播，因为噪音太大，环境噪音太大。
But once the tapes are scrubbed someone clearly says “Put on your masks.” Shortly after that you distinctly hear orders to spread the fuel.
但一旦胶带被擦掉，就会有人明确地说“戴上面具”。不久之后，您清楚地听到了撒播燃料的命令。
Archival Sot: Davidian 1: Did you pour it yet?
档案 Sot：大卫教 1：你倒了吗？
Archival Sot: Davidian 1: I haven't yet.
档案 Sot：大卫教 1：我还没有。
Archival Sot: Davidian 2 : David said pour it, right?
档案 Sot：大卫教 2：大卫说倒它，对吧？
Archival Sot: Davidian 1: Did he?
档案 Sot：大卫教 1：他是吗？
Did he want it poured?
他想要倒吗？
Archival Sot: Davidian 2: Come on, let's pour it.
档案 Sot：大卫教 2：来吧，让我们倒酒。
Archival Sot: Davidian 3: We want some fuel!
档案 Sot：大卫教 3：我们需要一些燃料！
Archival Sot: Davidian 4: I've got some here.
档案 Sot：Davidian 4：我这里有一些。
Archival Sot: Davidian 5: I wish they got more hay in here.
档案 Sot：大卫教 5：我希望他们这里有更多干草。
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: All the while our guys were inserting tear gas, they were spreading fuel.
拜伦·塞奇（Byron Sage），联邦调查局谈判代表：我们的人在投放催泪瓦斯的同时，也在散布燃料。
All morning long.
整个早上。
Jeff Jamar, FBI Special Agent in Charge: Had we heard that, “spread the fuel,” we would have pulled back.
联邦调查局特工杰夫·贾马尔（Jeff Jamar）：如果我们听到“散布燃料”的话，我们就会撤退。
We would have pulled away.
我们本来会离开的。
And then of course, what happened, it was just devastating to everybody.
当然，接下来发生的事情对每个人来说都是毁灭性的。
Archival Sot: CNN Anchor: As you can see on your screen, there is a great deal of smoke coming out from the building, let’s go to Mike Capps now -- we can also see some flames there now.
档案 Sot：CNN 主播：正如您在屏幕上看到的，建筑物中冒出大量烟雾，现在让我们去找迈克·卡普斯 - 我们现在也可以看到那里有一些火焰。
Mike, what can you tell us?
迈克，你能告诉我们什么？
What can you see?
你能看到什么？
Archival Sot: Mike Capps: Well, Bonnie, for the last 15 minutes, we've watched this M60 vehicle, this combat engineering vehicle, make large holes in the side of this building and pump tear gas in there.
档案管理员： Mike Capps：嗯，Bonnie，在过去的 15 分钟里，我们看到了这辆 M60 车辆，这种战斗工程车辆，在这座建筑物的侧面打出大洞，并向其中喷射催泪瓦斯。
Now we have a very large-scale fire breaking out on what must be the south side, right near the front side of this building.
现在，我们在大楼南侧、靠近大楼前侧的地方发生了一场非常大规模的火灾。
Mark Potok, Journalist: I went out to the roadblock, and was looking through a friend’s television camera, and noticed little tiny licks of flame, first out of one side of the building, then out of the other.
马克·波托克，记者：我走到路障处，通过朋友的电视摄像机观察，注意到有微小的火焰，首先从建筑物的一侧伸出，然后从另一侧伸出。
And in a matter of, it seemed like seconds, the building was engulfed.
就在几秒钟之内，整栋大楼就被吞没了。
You know we all stood there waiting to see the people come out.
你知道我们都站在那里等着看人们出来。
There were 80 or 90 people in there.
那里有80或90人。
Byron Sage, FBI Negotiator: As that fire continued to build, a few adults came out.
拜伦·塞奇，联邦调查局谈判代表：随着火势继续蔓延，一些成年人走了出来。
One of them had jumped out of the second floor window, and then she started to run back into the fire.
其中一人从二楼的窗户跳了出去，然后她又开始跑回火里。
An agent started to run after her, went into the building, grabbed her, and pulled her out, and she was ready to ignite.
一名特工开始追她，走进大楼，抓住她，把她拉出来，她就准备点火了。
I mean, there was smoke trailing off of her clothes.
我的意思是，烟雾从她的衣服上消失。
Nine adults came out.
九个大人走了出来。
Not one of them brought a child out.
他们没有一个人带孩子出来。
Kat Schroeder, Former Branch Davdian: I saw it on TV, just like everyone else did.
Kat Schroeder，前 Davdian 分部：我在电视上看到了它，就像其他人一样。
I was not surprised that mothers didn’t come out with their kids.
对于母亲们不带孩子出来，我并不感到惊讶。
David taught us that there would be a climactic battle, and we would lose it, and we would ascend to heaven in a fiery transcendence.
大卫教导我们，将会有一场高潮般的战斗，我们会失败，我们会在火热的超越中升入天堂。
I think it more surprised me that some people actually did come out.
我认为更令我惊讶的是，有些人确实出来了。
I would've expected them all to die.
我原以为他们都会死。
Jeff Jamar, FBI Special Agent in Charge: The part that we played cannot be ignored.
联邦调查局特工杰夫·贾马尔（Jeff Jamar）：我们所扮演的角色不容忽视。
We provoked the circumstances, but David Koresh decided who was going to die.
我们挑起事端，但大卫·科雷什决定谁该死。
What happened was to serve his purpose, and that’s the most devastating thing to me, is I served his purpose to a terrible degree.
所发生的事情是为了达到他的目的，这对我来说是最具毁灭性的事情，是我达到了可怕的程度。
Bill Buford, ATF Team Leader: When I saw the fire, all I could think about were the children in there.
Bill Buford，ATF 团队负责人：当我看到火灾时，我所能想到的就是里面的孩子们。
You know, the parents had made their own decisions, but those kids didn’t make any decisions.
要知道，父母已经做出了自己的决定，但孩子们却没有做出任何决定。
I literally bawled when I saw it.
当我看到它时，我真的哭了。
It was Armageddon, just like he said it would be.
正如他所说，这是世界末日。
Stuart Wright, Writer: At Ruby Ridge, Americans saw the deaths of two people.
斯图尔特·赖特（Stuart Wright），作家：在红宝石岭，美国人目睹了两人的死亡。
But at Waco, they saw massive deaths.
但在韦科，他们看到了大量死亡。
There were people who had a legitimate argument that there were all kinds of mistakes made and this could have ended very differently.
有人提出合理的论点，认为犯了各种各样的错误，结果可能会大不相同。
But other people were saying this was a government massacre on a scale nobody had seen before.
但其他人却说这是一场政府大屠杀，其规模是前所未见的。
It was certainly framed in this manner by the far right and the reaction was almost immediate.
这肯定是极右翼分子以这种方式策划的，而且反应几乎是立即的。
Archival Sot: Conspiracist: We have several witnesses that say that they saw 25 to 30 people exiting out these double doors to escape the fire, and that these people were gunned down in cold blood as they tried to escape.
档案索特：阴谋论者：我们有几位目击者说，他们看到 25 到 30 人从这些双门中逃出以躲避火灾，而这些人在试图逃跑时被冷血枪杀。
Mark Potok, Journalist: There were several films made by people on the radical right, which claimed that this had been a deliberate murder.
记者马克·波托克：有几部由极右翼人士拍摄的电影声称这是一起蓄意谋杀。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: One of the earliest was a documentary called “Waco: The Big Lie.” The crucial footage that they used was footage on the day of the fire, where they alleged that if you looked at the footage the right way, that you could see the tanks actually setting fire to the building.
李·汉考克，记者：最早的一部是一部名为《韦科：弥天大谎》的纪录片。他们使用的关键镜头是火灾当天的镜头，他们声称，如果你以正确的方式观看镜头，你可以看到坦克实际上在焚烧建筑物。
Archival Sot: The Big Lie Narrator: At the same time as fire was already breaking out in the back of the house, as you just saw, as this tank backs out flame can be seen shooting from the front of it.
档案 Sot：弥天大谎 旁白：正如您刚才所看到的，在房子后面已经起火的同时，当这辆坦克退出时，可以看到火焰从它的前面射出。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: When someone could package the footage that had disturbed everybody in America with a potent message about government atrocities, it touched a chord.
记者李·汉考克：当有人能够将这段令美国每个人都感到不安的镜头与有关政府暴行的有力信息打包在一起时，它触动了人们的心弦。
Those who had a tendency to doubt the government were enraged.
那些对政府有怀疑倾向的人被激怒了。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: When the fire started at Waco, Tim mcveigh was at a friend’s farmhouse up in Michigan.
记者丹·赫贝克：当韦科发生火灾时，蒂姆·麦克维正在密歇根州朋友的农舍里。
He was working on a vehicle out in the yard and somebody yelled out: “Tim, come in here.
他正在院子里修理一辆车，有人喊道：“蒂姆，进来吧。
You’ve got to see this on television.”
你一定要在电视上看到这个。”
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: I’m watching flames lick out windows, and I’m watching tanks ram walls.
档案索特：麦克维：我看着火焰舔出窗户，我看着坦克冲撞墙壁。
And my eyes just welled up in tears, and tears started coming down my cheeks as I’m watching this scene unfold…
当我看着这一幕时，我的眼睛里充满了泪水，泪水开始从我的脸颊上流下来……
I’m not going to shy away from the word rage, for me, I felt absolute rage.
我不会回避“愤怒”这个词，对我来说，我感到绝对的愤怒。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: For Tim Mcveigh, it was all happening because of the US government, the biggest bully in the world.
记者丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck）：对于蒂姆·麦克维（Tim Mcveigh）来说，这一切的发生都是因为美国政府，世界上最大的恶霸。
And just a few months later, the Brady Bill passes.
仅仅几个月后，布雷迪法案就通过了。
Archival Sot: Clinton: It has a ban on several assault weapons, long overdue…
档案索特：克林顿：它已经禁止了几种攻击性武器，早就应该了......
(applause)
（掌声）
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: Like many people, Tim mcveigh was convinced that the Brady Bill meant that the government was going to take guns away from law-abiding citizens.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：像许多人一样，蒂姆·麦克维（Tim mcveigh）相信《布雷迪法案》意味着政府将没收守法公民的枪支。
Archival Sot: Clinton: …
档案索特：克林顿：……
a ban on handgun ownership and restrictions on possession of handguns by minors, the beginning of reform of our federal firearms licensing systems.
禁止拥有手枪并限制未成年人拥有手枪，这是我们联邦枪支许可制度改革的开始。
Daniel Levitas, Writer: The combination of the perceived government assassination of the Weaver family, and then the perceived military government murdering its own citizens in Waco, and then, the Brady Bill, the government coming after your guns -- that just exploded the recruitment of anti-government extremists.
丹尼尔·莱维塔斯（Daniel Levitas），作家：人们认为政府暗杀了韦弗家族，然后认为军政府在韦科谋杀了自己的公民，然后布雷迪法案，政府来追捕你的枪——这才导致了反政府极端分子的招募。
Archival Sot: Militia Leader: We have a government that is on the verge of being completely out of control.
档案索特：民兵领袖：我们的政府正处于完全失控的边缘。
They allow tyrants to come in with hooded masks on – unidentified – bust down your door.
他们允许暴君戴着连帽面具——身份不明——破门而入。
It’s happened, all over America.
这种事在美国各地都发生过。
Archival Sot: Phil Donahue: This is the new thing in America.
档案 Sot：Phil Donahue：这是美国的新事物。
It’s called “the militia”.
它被称为“民兵”。
No, they say they’re not racist, it’s not just about guns and possession of guns, but the 2nd Amendment’s involved here definitely.
不，他们说他们不是种族主义者，这不仅仅是关于枪支和拥有枪支的问题，但第二修正案绝对涉及这里。
They’re proud of their 2nd amendment.
他们为第二修正案感到自豪。
And by God no constable is going to come from some far away place and break their door down.
上帝发誓，没有哪个警察会从很远的地方过来破门而入。
They’ll shoot ‘em first.
他们会先开枪射击。
Leonard Zeskind, Writer: There had been a spurt of growth in militia organizations after Ruby Ridge.
伦纳德·泽斯金德（Leonard Zeskind），作家：红宝石岭之后，民兵组织出现了井喷式增长。
But Waco, and the Brady Bill, accelerates the movement.
但韦科和布雷迪比尔加速了这一运动。
By the end of ’93, there was a huge underground of armed white supremacist militias all over the country.
到93年底，全国各地都有大量白人至上主义武装民兵地下组织。
All of them dedicated to resistance to the federal government.
他们所有人都致力于抵抗联邦政府。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: Tim Mcveigh didn’t actually belong to a militia group but he certainly had the same opinions about the government that many of the militia groups had.
丹·赫贝克，记者：蒂姆·麦克维实际上并不属于民兵组织，但他对政府的看法肯定与许多民兵组织相同。
For Tim Mcveigh, it was all part of a massive government conspiracy.
对于蒂姆·麦克维来说，这都是政府大规模阴谋的一部分。
All these events, they were all connected and it was all leading down a path that was going to end with federal agents coming to his home and the homes of gun owners all over America and storming into those homes and taking their guns away.
所有这些事件，它们都是相互关联的，这一切都通向一条道路，最终联邦特工来到他的家和美国各地枪支拥有者的家中，冲进这些家庭，拿走他们的枪。
I think from that moment on he was trying to determine what terrorist act to commit against the US government.
我认为从那一刻起，他就试图确定对美国政府采取何种恐怖行动。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: Later that morning, we went into the south side of the building, not knowing what we were fixing to walk into was the daycare center.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警官：那天早上晚些时候，我们走进大楼的南侧，不知道我们要走进的是日托中心。
The granite floor was all busted and broken and just going every which way.
花岗岩地板全都破烂不堪，到处都是。
And as I'm fixing to go in, one of the Oklahoma City officers comes walking out carrying a little boy.
当我正准备进去时，俄克拉荷马城的一名警官抱着一个小男孩走了出来。
Archival Sot: Don Hull: It's where the elevators used to be!...
档案 Sot：唐·赫尔：这是电梯曾经所在的地方！...
I can't.
我不能。
Archival Sot: Responder: Let me have him.
档案 Sot： 回复者：让我拥有他。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: And I just turned and took a second breath and went into the daycare center.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警官：我转身又吸了一口气，然后走进了日托中心。
We were moving debris.
我们正在搬运碎片。
We were picking up boulders.
我们正在捡巨石。
Literally everyone was digging on their hands and knees, trying to get to these kids.
从字面上看，每个人都在用手和膝盖挖土，试图找到这些孩子。
Helena Garrett, Mother: The children were coming out one by one.
海伦娜·加勒特（Helena Garrett），母亲：孩子们一一出来了。
Brandon was severely injured.
布兰登受了重伤。
So was Nekia.
内基亚也是如此。
Rebecca just seemed to me, it just seemed as though she was just dipped in blood.
丽贝卡在我看来，就好像她刚刚浸在血里一样。
The next baby that they brought out, they went to lay this baby on the ground.
他们带出下一个婴儿后，就把这个婴儿放在地上。
They had these perfectly folded white sheets and they would bring another one out, and they would bring another one, and another one.
他们有这些完美折叠的白色床单，他们会拿出另一张，然后再拿出一张，然后再拿出一张。
And they lay them in a line, wrapped in these sheets.
他们把它们排成一排，用这些床单包裹起来。
And then a nurse came, and she moved the blanket back from their feet, and she was writing things, and she tagged their little feet.
然后一名护士来了，她把毯子从他们的脚上移开，她正在写东西，并标记了他们的小脚。
And I think that's when reality set in, that my son Tevin's not coming home.
我想现实就在那时，我的儿子特文不会回家了。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: When a baby’s body was carried out of that building, even though one person carried that baby, we all carried that baby.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警官：当一具婴儿的尸体被抬出那栋大楼时，尽管是一个人抱着那个婴儿，但我们都抱着那个婴儿。
And when we laid ‘em down onto that makeshift morgue and lined those children up out there, that was really a hard thing to see, because that was all of our kids.
当我们把他们放在临时停尸房并将那些孩子排在那里时，这真的是一件很难看到的事情，因为那是我们所有的孩子。
That was everybody’s kids.
那是每个人的孩子。
That wasn’t just one person’s child.
那不只是一个人的孩子。
That belonged to everybody.
那属于每个人。
The emotions that we felt and still feel to this day from what -- what we saw was just remarkable.
直到今天，我们所感受到的以及仍然感受到的情感——我们所看到的都是非同寻常的。
And the kids that survived and came through that was just absolutely incredible.
那些幸存下来并度过难关的孩子们绝对令人难以置信。
Jim Denny, Father: Our children ended up at two different hospitals.
吉姆·丹尼，父亲：我们的孩子最终去了两家不同的医院。
And once we found them, we just made up our minds that Claudia was gonna be with Rebecca and I was gonna be with Brandon.
一旦我们找到他们，我们就决定克劳迪娅要和丽贝卡在一起，我要和布兰登在一起。
When I got there, Brandon had just had a 4 and a half hour brain surgery.
当我到达那里时，布兰登刚刚接受了四个半小时的脑部手术。
Archival Sot: Jim Denny: How’s daddy’s big boy, huh?
档案管理员：吉姆·丹尼：爸爸的大男孩怎么样了，嗯？
Jim Denny, Father: He had a piece of something blown into the upper left side of his head that went into his brain.
吉姆·丹尼，父亲：有一块东西被吹进了他头部的左上方，进入了他的大脑。
Dr. Reynolds, his neurosurgeon, could not tell us whether he’d live or not.
他的神经外科医生雷诺兹医生无法告诉我们他是否还能活下去。
We knew for an absolute fact that our children were fifty feet from it.
我们确切地知道我们的孩子距离它有五十英尺。
Fifty feet from a massive bomb.
距巨大炸弹五十英尺。
There was five children sitting at a table in the daycare center, and one in the bathroom.
日托中心的一张桌子旁坐着五个孩子，一个坐在浴室里。
And those six survived.
那六个人活了下来。
Claudia Denny, Mother: When I saw Rebecca for the first time, the doctor said “She’s gonna be fine.
克劳迪娅·丹尼，母亲：当我第一次见到丽贝卡时，医生说“她会没事的。
She has a lot of cuts and bruises and she has a broken collarbone.
她身上有很多割伤和瘀伤，锁骨也骨折了。
But, she was alive.
但是，她还活着。
At 9:02 that day, our world ended.
那天9点02分，我们的世界结束了。
And then when we found our kids, our new world began at 4 o’clock on April 19th.
然后当我们找到孩子时，我们的新世界于 4 月 19 日凌晨 4 点开始。
Archival Sot: Jim Denny: “I love you baby.”
档案 Sot：吉姆·丹尼：“我爱你，宝贝。”
Archival Sot: William Pierce narrating The Turner Diaries: My day’s work started a little before 5 o’clock yesterday when I began helping Ed Sanders mix heating oil with the ammonium nitrate fertilizer in unit 8’s garage.
档案索特：威廉·皮尔斯叙述《特纳日记》：昨天下午 5 点左右，我开始了一天的工作，当时我开始帮助埃德·桑德斯在 8 号单元的车库里将取暖油与硝酸铵肥料混合。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: Tim Mcveigh had read in The Turner Diaries of how generally you could build a truck bomb.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：蒂姆·麦克维（Tim Mcveigh）在《特纳日记》中读到了制造卡车炸弹的一般方法。
He found other articles that told him exactly how to build a truck bomb.
他发现其他文章准确地告诉他如何制造卡车炸弹。
He wanted to do what Earl Turner did: take down a government building.
他想做厄尔·特纳所做的事情：拆除政府大楼。
Mcveigh recruited two Army buddies to help him build a bomb.
麦克维招募了两名陆军伙伴来帮助他制造炸弹。
Lou Michel, Biographer: Mcveigh truly believed that he had two comrades in arms in Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier.
卢·米歇尔，传记作者：麦克维确实相信他有两个战友：特里·尼科尔斯和迈克尔·福蒂尔。
They go back to the Army…They all like The Turner Diaries .
他们回到军队……他们都喜欢《特纳日记》。
They all shared the same anti-government thoughts.
他们都有相同的反政府思想。
They all wanted to show that somebody could attack the US government.
他们都想表明有人可以攻击美国政府。
That is was that vulnerable.
那就是那么脆弱。
To get started, they knew that they needed the main ingredient, which was fertilizer.
首先，他们知道他们需要主要成分，那就是肥料。
Mark Potok, Journalist: They start to buy bag after bag after bag of ammonium nitrate.
记者马克·波托克：他们开始购买一袋又一袋的硝酸铵。
Tim Mcveigh and Terry Nichols break into a storage shed at a quarry and they steal these explosive Tovex sausages, which will make the bomb more powerful.
蒂姆·麦克维和特里·尼科尔斯闯入采石场的储藏棚，偷走了这些爆炸性的托韦克斯香肠，这将使炸弹威力更强。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: It wasn’t easy to get some of this stuff.
Dan Herbeck，记者：获得这些东西并不容易。
Some of the explosives were not available to the average citizen.
有些爆炸物是普通公民无法获得的。
They spent months and months getting the parts of this bomb together.
他们花了数月时间将炸弹的各个部件组装在一起。
Fortier’s role was very, very limited.
福蒂埃的作用非常非常有限。
Nichols had a bigger role, but really, just following orders from Mcveigh.
尼科尔斯扮演了更重要的角色，但实际上，他只是听从麦克维的命令。
Mark Potok, Journalist: And then, Tim Mcveigh manages to get some 55-gallon drums of nitromethane racing fuel.
马克·波托克（Mark Potok），记者：然后，蒂姆·麦克维（Tim Mcveigh）设法弄到了一些 55 加仑的硝基甲烷赛车燃料桶。
The bomb that was depicted in The Turner Diaries was ammonium nitrate and fuel oil.
《特纳日记》中描述的炸弹是硝酸铵和燃油。
Mcveigh was going to amp up his bomb really dramatically by using this much, much more volatile fuel.
麦克维打算通过使用这种非常非常不稳定的燃料来极大地增强他的炸弹。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: During this time that he was driving around…Getting his materials for the bomb, he was basically on this anti-government odyssey.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：在他开车四处走动的这段时间里……获取炸弹材料，他基本上正在进行反政府的冒险之旅。
He visited a militia compound, he visited Area 51 in Roswell, and he visited Waco.
他参观了民兵大院，参观了罗斯威尔的 51 区，还参观了韦科。
Ben Fenwick, Journalist: It was very important to him to go bear witness to what had happened.
本·芬威克（Ben Fenwick），记者：对他来说，见证所发生的事情非常重要。
To make himself feel that place and that moment.
让自己感受到那个地方、那个时刻。
It was also around this time that he and Fortier and Nichols began selecting what was going to be the target of their bomb.
也正是在这个时候，他、福蒂尔和尼科尔斯开始选择炸弹的目标。
Stuart Wright, Writer: They went to Little Rock, Arkansas.
斯图尔特·赖特（Stuart Wright），作家：他们去了阿肯色州的小石城。
They went to Tulsa.
他们去了塔尔萨。
They went to Dallas.
他们去了达拉斯。
They picked the Murrah building in Oklahoma City in part because the ATF, who had conducted the raid on the Branch Davidians, had an office in the building.
他们选择了俄克拉荷马城的默拉大楼，部分原因是对大卫教派进行突袭的烟酒枪械管理局（ATF）在该大楼设有办公室。
They thought that was appropriately symbolic that they would go after somebody who was directly connected to Waco.
他们认为这适当地象征着他们将追捕与韦科有直接联系的人。
Ben Fenwick, Journalist: The Murrah Building had numerous federal offices.
本·芬威克（Ben Fenwick），记者：默拉大厦有许多联邦办公室。
It had HUD, it had the ATF.
它有HUD，它有ATF。
It had FBI offices.
它有联邦调查局办公室。
It had military recruiters, the Social Security administration, the DEA was in there.
它有征兵人员、社会保障管理局和缉毒局。
And there is some question as to whether or not Mcveigh knew there was a daycare in there but he also kind of indicated that it wouldn’t have made the difference anyway.
还有一些问题是麦克维是否知道那里有日托中心，但他也表示无论如何这也不会产生什么影响。
Michael Fortier began feeling uneasy about doing this.
迈克尔·福蒂尔开始对这样做感到不安。
He suddenly visualized what was going to happen.
他突然想象到将会发生什么。
He points out that there were probably going to be innocent people inside that are going to die.
他指出，里面可能会有无辜的人死去。
Stuart Wright, Writer: Mcveigh told him, “There has to be a body count”.
斯图尔特·赖特（Stuart Wright），作家：麦克维告诉他，“必须清点死亡人数”。
He said, “The government’s not going to sit up and take notice unless there’s a body count.
他说：“除非有死亡人数统计，否则政府不会坐视不管。
It can always build a new building, but a body count will get their attention”.
它总是可以建造一座新建筑，但死亡人数会引起他们的注意”。
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: From a military perspective to get a message across, you need to hurt them where they hurt the most.
档案索特：麦克维：从军事角度来看，要传达信息，你需要伤害他们最受伤的地方。
The only way they’re going to feel something, and the only way they’re going to get the message is with a body count.
他们感受到某种东西、获得信息的唯一方法就是统计人数。
Lou Michel, Biographer: Tim picks April 19 for the bombing, because it will be the anniversary of the fire at Waco.
卢·米歇尔（Lou Michel），传记作者：蒂姆选择 4 月 19 日为爆炸日期，因为这将是韦科火灾周年纪念日。
On Easter Sunday, three days before, Tim Mcveigh calls Terry Nichols and says it’s time.
三天前的复活节周日，蒂姆·麦克维打电话给特里·尼科尔斯，说是时候了。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: He and Nichols, separately, drove from Kansas to Oklahoma City.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：他和尼科尔斯分别从堪萨斯州开车前往俄克拉荷马城。
Mcveigh took his three hundred dollar getaway car, and stashed it in a little parking lot.
麦克维开着他那辆价值三百美元的逃亡车，把它藏在一个小停车场里。
He put a sign in the window, ‘Please Do Not Tow’.
他在窗户上贴了一个牌子，“请勿拖车”。
And then they drove back to Kansas.
然后他们开车返回堪萨斯州。
Mark Potok, Journalist: The next day mcveigh goes alone, apparently, to rent a truck in Junction City, the big Ryder truck that he will use as a bomb.
记者马克·波托克：第二天，麦克维显然独自一人去章克申城租了一辆卡车，他将用那辆莱德大卡车作为炸弹。
Jon Hersley, FBI Investigator: They asked him: “Do you need insurance on it?” He said: “No, I won’t need any insurance.” They asked him: “Do you need any extra days?” And he answered: “No I won’t need any extra days.” We actually have him on video coming in to the McDonalds about a mile away from where he picked up the truck.
联邦调查局调查员乔恩·赫斯利：他们问他：“你需要保险吗？”他说：“不，我不需要任何保险。”他们问他：“你需要额外的日子吗？”他回答说：“不，我不需要额外的日子。”事实上，我们在视频中看到他来到距离他取卡车的地方大约一英里的麦当劳。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: April 18th was bomb making day.
Dan Herbeck，记者：4 月 18 日是炸弹制造日。
Mcveigh drove the truck out to Geary Lake State Park, where they would assemble the bomb.
麦克维开着卡车前往吉里湖州立公园，他们将在那里组装炸弹。
He was extremely upset because Nichols was starting to get cold feet.
他非常沮丧，因为尼科尔斯开始临阵退缩。
He threatened to kill Nichols and his family if Nichols refused to help him with the final preparations.
他威胁说，如果尼科尔斯拒绝帮助他进行最后的准备工作，他就会杀死尼科尔斯和他的家人。
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: The bomb was primarily assembled by myself, with a little assistance from another who was under duress to assist me.
档案索特：麦克维：炸弹主要是我自己组装的，还有另一个被迫协助我的人提供了一点帮助。
I was the one that primed the charges, that crimped the caps to the fuse, primed each barrel, made sure there was redundant fusing systems.
我是负责装药的人，负责将盖子压接到保险丝上，给每个枪管上底漆，确保有多余的保险系统。
And it only took three hours.
而且只用了三个小时。
Ben Fenwick, Journalist: After they get the bomb built, Terry Nichols made it very clear he was not going to join Mcveigh the morning of the bombing.
本·芬威克（Ben Fenwick），记者：在他们制造出炸弹后，特里·尼科尔斯（Terry Nichols）明确表示，他不会在爆炸发生的那天早上加入麦克维的行列。
And so, they said goodbye, shook hands, Nichols wishes him luck, and then he gets in the truck and he drives south.
于是，他们道别，握手，尼科尔斯祝他好运，然后他上了卡车，向南行驶。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: He was nervous as he drove into Oklahoma City, but I don’t think he ever second-guessed himself.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：当他开车进入俄克拉荷马城时，他很紧张，但我认为他从未反思过自己。
I don’t think he ever thought for a minute that this was the wrong thing to do.
我认为他从来没有想过这是错误的做法。
When he got close to the building, he pulled the truck over, and lit two different fuses leading back to the bomb.
当他靠近建筑物时，他把卡车停在路边，点燃了引向炸弹的两根不同的导火索。
Jon Hersley, FBI Investigator: The last video that we have of him was at 8:57 in front of the Regency Tower Apartments.
乔恩·赫斯利 (Jon Hersley)，FBI 调查员：我们看到的关于他的最后一段视频是在 8 点 57 分在摄政大厦公寓前。
At that point in time, he was about a block to a block and a half west of the Murrah Building.
当时，他位于默拉大厦以西大约一个街区到一个半街区的地方。
Randy Norfleet, U.S. Marine Corps: As I was driving past, I noticed this yellow Ryder truck pull into in the loading zone in front of the building.
兰迪·诺弗利特，美国海军陆战队：当我开车经过时，我注意到这辆黄色的莱德卡车停在大楼前面的装载区。
A young man got out of the truck…He had a military haircut and the T-shirt, and I thought, “Well, okay, that’s a sergeant or something checking into the command.
一个年轻人从卡车上下来……他留着军式发型，穿着 T 恤，我想，“好吧，那是一名中士或其他负责指挥的人。
But what in the world is he doing, going away from the building?”
但他离开大楼到底在做什么呢？”
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: I walked very slowly towards the YMCA.
档案索特：麦克维：我非常缓慢地走向基督教青年会。
Once I got in the blind alley of the YMCA, I did jog because I knew nobody was looking.
当我进入基督教青年会的死胡同时，我开始慢跑，因为我知道没有人在看。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: Later that day we got back to a spot where the crater in the building had been taken out and all the floors had fallen and we were moving debris to try to find anyone still alive.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警察督察：那天晚些时候，我们回到了一个地方，大楼里的弹坑已经被挖掉了，所有的地板都倒塌了，我们正在搬运碎片，试图找到还活着的人。
As we got in there one of the guys started screaming: “Everybody be quiet, everybody be quiet.” You could faintly hear voices.
当我们进去时，其中一个人开始尖叫：“大家安静，大家安静。”你可以隐约听到声音。
So the guys got in there with saws and they were able to cut these people out of there.
于是人们拿着锯子进去，把这些人从那里锯了出来。
Mark Potok, Journalist: It was very dangerous.
记者马克·波托克：非常危险。
A huge piece of debris fell on a nurse and killed her.
一块巨大的碎片落在一名护士身上，导致她死亡。
Something like 20 other rescue workers were injured as well.
其他大约 20 名救援人员也受伤。
They got the last person out of there alive about 7 o’clock that night.
那天晚上 7 点左右，他们救出了最后一个活着的人。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: Volunteers from all over the country came in to help.
杰瑞·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警督：全国各地的志愿者都来帮忙。
That day, people brought clothes down there, gloves, boots.
那天，人们带来了衣服、手套、靴子。
There were people that showed up who started cooking for rescue workers.
有人出现并开始为救援人员做饭。
Mark Potok, Journalist: There was an incredible feeling of empathy from Oklahomans.
马克·波托克（Mark Potok），记者：俄克拉荷马人有一种令人难以置信的同理心。
Oklahoma City is a small city, and virtually everyone in that city tried to help.
俄克拉荷马城是一个小城市，几乎该城市的每个人都试图提供帮助。
There were blood banks set up, and they got something like a thousand times more blood that they could use.
建立了血库，他们得到了大约一千倍的血液供他们使用。
Jennifer Rodgers, Police Officer: There was a lot of hard work going on.
詹妮弗·罗杰斯，警官：有很多艰苦的工作正在进行。
I was assigned to patrol the perimeter.
我被指派去周边巡逻。
And it got eerily quiet anytime they would bring a body out.
每当他们搬出尸体时，周围就会变得出奇的安静。
They started giving us numbers, and we just had to hold our breath that the numbers would slow down.
他们开始给我们提供数字，而我们只需屏住呼吸，数字就会减慢。
Archival Sot: Peter Jennings: The only casualty figure we have seen so far comes from the governor of Oklahoma who refers to 18 dead, 6 of whom may be children.
档案索特：Peter Jennings：到目前为止，我们看到的唯一伤亡数字来自俄克拉荷马州州长，他提到 18 人死亡，其中 6 人可能是儿童。
We know there were scores…
我们知道有分数...
Helena Garrett, Mother: The medical examiner would come and they would say, “16 confirmed dead, or 32 confirmed dead, and the number would keep rising -- it was just rising so fast.
海伦娜·加勒特（Helena Garrett），母亲：法医会过来，他们会说，“16 人确认死亡，或者 32 人确认死亡，而且这个数字会继续上升——只是上升得太快了。
I just could not put it all together.
我只是无法将所有这些放在一起。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: When I left the building I’d been there six or seven hours.
杰里·弗劳尔斯（Jerry Flowers），警督：当我离开大楼时，我已经在那里待了六七个小时。
Of course all of us were covered in dust and blood.
当然，我们所有人都沾满了灰尘和血迹。
And nobody really said anything.
没有人真正说什么。
We just kinda-- “oh my God” type of response.
我们只是有点——“天啊”类型的回应。
And we just couldn’t believe what had happened.
我们简直不敢相信发生了什么。
Archival Sot: Police Officer: How you doing today sir, we’re currently conducting an investigation today into the Oklahoma City bombing.
档案索特：警官：先生，您今天过得怎么样，我们今天正在对俄克拉荷马城爆炸事件进行调查。
Do you usually travel this road very much?
您平时经常走这条路吗？
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: We operate under the premise that the evidence leads you to where you want to go.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），联邦调查局特工负责人：我们运作的前提是证据能引导你到达你想去的地方。
We have to gather every bit of evidence that we can and then start trying to form hypotheses and theories as to what has transpired.
我们必须收集尽可能多的证据，然后开始尝试对所发生的事情形成假设和理论。
Archival Sot: FBI Agent: Did you notice a Ryder Truck?
档案索特：联邦调查局特工：你注意到一辆莱德卡车了吗？
Larry Tongate, FBI Investigator: The first real break of the investigation, which happened within hours of the bombing, was that we found the rear axle of what turned out to be the bomb truck.
联邦调查局调查员拉里·汤加特（Larry Tongate）：爆炸发生后数小时内发生的调查的第一个真正突破是我们发现了原来是炸弹卡车的后轴。
Jon Hersley, FBI Investigator: On the rear axle assembly, there’s what’s called a confidential vehicle identification number, which was PVA26077.
乔恩·赫斯利，FBI 调查员：在后轴组件上，有一个所谓的机密车辆识别号，即 PVA26077。
I’ll never forget that number.
我永远不会忘记那个数字。
Larry Tongate, FBI Investigator: We were able to trace that number to a Ryder truck assigned to Elliott’s Body Shop in Junction City, Kansas.
FBI 调查员 Larry Tongate：我们通过该号码追踪到分配给堪萨斯州章克申城 Elliott’s Body Shop 的一辆 Ryder 卡车。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: We immediately deployed special agents to that Ryder truck rental shop.
鲍勃·里克斯 (Bob Ricks)，FBI 特工负责人：我们立即派特工前往莱德卡车租赁店。
We learned that it had been rented by a gentleman with a South Dakota driver’s license by the name of Robert Kling.
我们了解到，这辆车是由一位拥有南达科他州驾照、名叫罗伯特·克林的绅士租用的。
We had three principal witnesses there, inside the truck rental.
我们有三名主要证人，就在卡车出租屋内。
They described a military type person, about six foot tall, thin, close shaven.
他们描述了一个军人类型的人，大约六英尺高，瘦削，胡子刮得干干净净。
They also believed that there was a second person with him, so we called these John Doe number one and John Doe number two.
他们还相信还有第二个人和他在一起，所以我们称这些为约翰·多伊一号和约翰·多伊二号。
Our agents flooded the area of Junction City.
我们的特工淹没了章克申城地区。
One particular agent went the Dreamland Motel, and he asked the manager, “Has anybody been in here with a Ryder truck?”
一位特工去了梦境汽车旅馆，他问经理：“有人开着莱德卡车来过这里吗？”
Larry Tongate, FBI Investigator: She said, “Well, yes.
联邦调查局调查员拉里·汤盖特：她说：“嗯，是的。
I had a customer who stayed here in room 25, that had a Ryder truck parked at the motel, and I last saw him on Tuesday morning, April the 18th.”
我有一位顾客住在 25 号房间，汽车旅馆里停着一辆莱德卡车，我最后一次见到他是在 4 月 18 日星期二早上。”
Mark Potok, Journalist: After talking to her about the Ryder truck, they show her the sketch, and she recognizes it.
马克·波托克（Mark Potok），记者：在与她谈论了莱德卡车之后，他们向她展示了草图，她认出了它。
She pulls out her records and for all of Mcveigh’s planning, he apparently had a moment of weakness.
她拿出了她的记录，尽管麦克维做了所有的计划，但他显然有一段时间很软弱。
And he signed his own name to the register.
并且他在登记册上签下了自己的名字。
Jon Hersley, FBI Investigator: So that really got us.
乔恩·赫斯利 (Jon Hersley)，联邦调查局调查员：这确实让我们着迷。
We wanted to know who Tim Mcveigh was.
我们想知道蒂姆·麦克维是谁。
So what we did, was go into the National Crime Information Center and run an offline search, and try to find out if anybody named Tim Mcveigh’s been arrested anywhere in the United States in the recent past.
所以我们所做的就是进入国家犯罪信息中心并进行离线搜索，并试图找出最近是否有任何名为蒂姆·麦克维的人在美国任何地方被捕。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: It turns out that a highway patrolman has arrested someone by the name of Timothy Mcveigh.
联邦调查局特工鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks）：事实证明，一名高速公路巡警逮捕了一个名叫蒂莫西·麦克维（Timothy Mcveigh）的人。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: He was heading off toward Kansas, in this old Mercury Marquis.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：他乘坐这艘古老的水星侯爵号飞机前往堪萨斯州。
He got on the Interstate, and a state trooper pulled him over because he had no license plate on the back of his car.
他上了州际公路，一名州警把他拦了下来，因为他的车后没有牌照。
Lee Hancock, Journalist: The trooper then notices a bulge under the driver’s jacket, and says, “Is that a gun?” The driver acknowledges yes, it is, and Tim Mcveigh is put under arrest and taken to the county jail.
李汉考克，记者：然后，警察注意到司机夹克下面有一个凸起，并说：“那是一把枪吗？”司机承认是的，蒂姆·麦克维被捕并被带到县监狱。
Lou Michel, Biographer: The T-shirt he is wearing says “sic semper tyrannis” – thus ever to tyrants.
卢·米歇尔（Lou Michel），传记作者：他穿的 T 恤上写着“sic semper tyrannis”——这就是对暴君的称呼。
It was what John Wilkes Booth shouted when he shot Lincoln.
这是约翰·威尔克斯·布斯射杀林肯时所喊的。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: For two days Mcveigh languished in the jail and nobody really knew who he was.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：麦克维在监狱里度过了两天，没有人真正知道他是谁。
Other than the fact that he was illegally carrying a weapon, the police had no suspicions about him.
除了他非法携带武器这一事实外，警方对他没有任何怀疑。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: We called up the courthouse there and learned that Timothy Mcveigh was just getting ready to appear before the judge and was about ready to be released.
鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks），联邦调查局特工负责人：我们打电话给那里的法院，得知蒂莫西·麦克维正准备出庭，即将被释放。
So we said, “Put a hold on him.
所以我们说：“抓住他。
We’re on our way.”
我们正在路上。”
Lou Michel, Biographer: Two federal agents interview him in the Noble County sheriff’s office.
卢·米歇尔，传记作者：两名联邦特工在诺布尔县治安官办公室采访了他。
And the agents start by saying, “Do you know why we’re here?’” And Mcveigh, says, “Does it have something to do with the bombing?”
特工首先说，“你知道我们为什么在这里吗？”麦克维说，“这与爆炸有关吗？”
Archival Sot: Janet Reno: I’m pleased to announce that one of the individuals believed to be responsible for Wednesday’s terrible attack on a Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City has been arrested.
档案索特：珍妮特·雷诺：我很高兴地宣布，据信对周三俄克拉荷马城默拉联邦大楼可怕袭击事件负责的人之一已被捕。
Ben Fenwick, Journalist: Once they know they’ve got their guy, the decision’s made to take him to a more secure facility.
本·芬威克（Ben Fenwick），记者：一旦他们知道抓到了自己的人，就会决定把他带到一个更安全的设施。
The word is leaked out to the press, which broadcasts it on TV, so people drive there from all over to see this.
这个消息被泄露给了媒体，并在电视上进行了转播，所以人们从各地开车前往观看这一消息。
Archival Sot: Booing and jeering from crowd.
档案 Sot：人群的嘘声和嘲笑。
Mark Potok, Journalist: I and the rest of the country saw Timothy mcveigh for the very first time.
记者马克·波托克：我和全国其他人第一次见到蒂莫西·麦克维。
And we understood in a kind of flash that there were enemies within this country.
我们突然意识到这个国家内存在敌人。
Not foreign terrorists, but red-blooded Americans who were engaged in a war against America.
不是外国恐怖分子，而是参与反美国战争的热血美国人。
Ben Fenwick, Journalist: It was just the lightning moment of recognition.
本·芬威克（Ben Fenwick），记者：这只是闪电般的认可时刻。
This was the guy in the sketch.
这就是草图中的那个人。
It was that guy.
就是那个家伙。
I think everybody felt this sudden sense of betrayal.
我想每个人都感受到了这种突然的背叛感。
I think everyone thought, “You’re one of us.”
我想每个人都会想：“你是我们中的一员。”
Archival Reporter: Mr. President?
档案记者：总统先生？
Is there a sense now, sir, that this was not a foreign threat?
先生，现在有感觉这不是外国威胁吗？
Archival Clinton: Let me say that I have never, and the Justice Department has never said that this was a foreign threat, but the most important thing that you understand is that even though this is a positive development, this investigation has a lot of work still to be done in it.
克林顿档案馆：我想说的是，我从来没有说过，司法部也从来没有说过这是外国威胁，但你了解的最重要的事情是，尽管这是一个积极的进展，但这项调查还有很多工作要做。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: The capture of Timothy Mcveigh really just launched the investigation.
联邦调查局特工鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks）：蒂莫西·麦克维的被捕确实只是启动了调查。
The circumstances, obviously, indicated that he was directly involved, but you know, to what extent?
显然，当时的情况表明他有直接参与，但你知道，程度有多大吗？
His driver’s license had an address in Decker, Michigan.
他的驾驶执照上有一个位于密歇根州德克尔的地址。
We dispatched agents to that location and we find out that the gentleman there by the name of James Nichols had a brother, Terry, presently residing in Herington, Kansas.
我们派特工前往该地点，发现那位名叫詹姆斯·尼科尔斯的绅士有一个兄弟，名叫特里，目前居住在堪萨斯州的赫灵顿。
We ended up executing a search warrant on Terry Nichols’ home in Kansas, and that search warrant was a gold mine.
我们最终对特里·尼科尔斯在堪萨斯州的家执行了搜查令，而那个搜查令就是一座金矿。
In there we found a receipt for two thousand pounds of fertilizer.
在那里我们找到了一张两千磅化肥的收据。
We found a cordless drill that turned out to be a key piece of evidence.
我们发现了一个无绳电钻，后来证明它是一个关键证据。
But probably the most important piece of evidence that we found was a calling card in the name of Daryl Bridges who shared the same address in Decker, Michigan.
但我们发现的最重要的证据可能是一张名为达里尔·布里奇斯 (Daryl Bridges) 的电话卡，他在密歇根州德克尔 (Decker) 有相同的地址。
Jon Hersley, FBI Investigator: There were 685 calls made on the calling card.
Jon Hersley，FBI 调查员：电话卡上拨打了 685 个电话。
We determined where every one of those calls was placed from, the duration of the call, and who the call was made to.
我们确定了每一个呼叫的来源、呼叫的持续时间以及呼叫的对象。
So we saw many calls to chemical companies, to barrel companies, to race tracks, all kinds of places Tim Mcveigh and Terry Nichols were contacting to try to acquire bomb components.
因此，我们看到蒂姆·麦克维和特里·尼科尔斯向化学公司、制桶公司、赛马场以及各种地方发出了许多电话，试图获取炸弹部件。
We also found out about Michael Fortier through the calling card.
我们还通过名片了解了迈克尔·福蒂尔。
He knew more than we did about the bombing.
他比我们更了解爆炸事件。
He knew for example, that Tim Mcveigh when he was staying at their house in Kingman had taken all these soup cans down from the kitchen and shown Michael Fortier’s wife…exactly who he was going to construct the bomb inside the back of that Ryder Truck.
例如，他知道蒂姆·麦克维（Tim Mcveigh）住在金曼（Kingman）的家中时，从厨房拿下了所有这些汤罐，并向迈克尔·福蒂尔（Michael Fortier）的妻子展示了……他将在莱德卡车后部制造炸弹。
Archival Sot: Weldon Kennedy: Last night, Timothy Mcveigh was charged in the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building here in Oklahoma City.
档案索特：韦尔登·肯尼迪：昨晚，蒂莫西·麦克维被指控参与俄克拉荷马城默拉联邦大楼爆炸案。
Two brothers, James Douglas Nichols and Terry Lynn Nichols are currently in federal custody and are being held as material witnesses.
詹姆斯·道格拉斯·尼科尔斯和特里·林恩·尼科尔斯两兄弟目前被联邦拘留，并作为重要证人被拘留。
Another suspect, whom we have identified as John Doe #2 remains unidentified and at large.
另一名嫌疑人，我们确认他是约翰·多伊#2，仍然身份不明且在逃。
Bob Ricks, FBI Special Agent in Charge: A mistake was made.
联邦调查局特工鲍勃·里克斯（Bob Ricks）：犯了一个错误。
The artist conception has him with a Carolina Panthers cap on.
艺术家的构想是他戴着卡罗莱纳黑豹队的帽子。
It turns out that a guy had happened to be in the Ryder truck rental shop, the day before Timothy Mcveigh was.
事实证明，在蒂莫西·麦克维 (Timothy Mcveigh) 的前一天，有一个人碰巧来到了莱德卡车租赁店。
His description is almost to a T.
他的描述几乎达到了T。
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: Is there a John Doe 2?
档案 Sot：麦克维：有无名氏 2 吗？
Either way I can answer it should be scary because number one, if there are other people, that means they’re still out there.
不管怎样，我可以回答这应该是可怕的，因为第一，如果还有其他人，那就意味着他们仍然在那里。
But on the other hand, if it was just me, isn’t that in itself, isn’t that pretty scary that one man could do that?
但另一方面，如果只有我一个人能做到这一点，这本身不就很可怕吗？
That’s why “You can’t handle the truth” is the perfect line, because the truth is it was just me.
这就是为什么“你无法处理真相”是完美的台词，因为事实是这只是我。
Timothy Mcveigh’s trial began April 24, 1997.
蒂莫西·麦克维 (Timothy Mcveigh) 的审判于 1997 年 4 月 24 日开始。
Ben Fenwick, Journalist: The prosecution hit Mcveigh’s defense team with everything they had.
本·芬威克（Ben Fenwick），记者：检方竭尽全力打击了麦克维的辩护团队。
Michael Fortier’s testimony was crucial and damning, but he also told a very poignant story.
迈克尔·福蒂尔的证词至关重要且具有毁灭性，但他也讲述了一个非常令人心酸的故事。
He talked about how he would have a dream at night that he was calling people to warn them, and then he’d wake up, and he was in jail, and he hadn’t made the call, and that people were dead because of him.
他谈到他晚上会梦见他打电话给人们警告他们，然后他醒来，发现他在监狱里，他没有打电话，人们因为他而死。
Randy Norfleet, U.S. Marine Corps: I was the second witness in the trial, and as I sat in that witness stand, it seemed just like an arm’s reach away was Timothy Mcveigh.
兰迪·诺弗利特，美国海军陆战队：我是审判中的第二位证人，当我坐在证人席上时，蒂莫西·麦克维似乎就在我身边。
He did look me in the eyes, and he did try to intimidate me, but I was far from being intimidated.
他确实看着我的眼睛，也确实试图恐吓我，但我远没有被吓倒。
Helena Garrett, Mother: When I had to testify, and people would ask later, “How did you sit in the room with the man who murdered your son?
海伦娜·加勒特（Helena Garrett），母亲：当我必须作证时，人们后来会问，“你是怎么和谋杀你儿子的人坐在一起的？
And I told them: my story is more powerful than me yelling at him.
我告诉他们：我的故事比我对他大喊大叫更有力量。
My story is more powerful than my fist.
我的故事比我的拳头更有力量。
I’m not going to go to his level, you know, I deserve better.
我不会达到他的水平，你知道，我应该得到更好的。
Tevin deserved better.
泰文值得更好的。
Every victim of the bombing deserved better than that.
每一位爆炸事件的受害者都应该得到更好的待遇。
Lou Michel, Biographer: Mcveigh all along wanted a necessity defense that he had no choice but to bomb to building.
卢·米歇尔，传记作者：麦克维一直想要一种必要的防御，但他别无选择，只能轰炸建筑物。
He did not want to claim some widespread conspiracy, which members of the defense team wanted.
他不想声称存在某种广泛的阴谋，而这正是辩护团队成员所希望的。
Dan Herbeck, Journalist: Mcveigh wanted no part of that because number one it wasn’t true and number two he did want credit for this thing he had done.
丹·赫贝克（Dan Herbeck），记者：麦克维不想参与其中，因为第一，这不是真的，第二，他确实希望为他所做的这件事获得荣誉。
And no evidence has ever surfaced that anybody but him, with a little bit of help from his two army buddies, pulled this off.
没有任何证据表明除了他之外，任何人在他的两个战友的帮助下成功实现了这一目标。
He built this bomb.
他制造了这枚炸弹。
He designed it, he built it, and he was proud of that.
他设计了它，他建造了它，他为此感到自豪。
Leonard Zeskind, Writer: There was no massive conspiracy.
伦纳德·泽斯金德（Leonard Zeskind），作家：不存在大规模阴谋。
That much is clear.
这已经很清楚了。
But the idea that Timothy Mcveigh was a lone killer is wrong-headed because it absolves the movement from which it all sprang.
但认为蒂莫西·麦克维是孤独杀手的想法是错误的，因为它为引发这一切的运动开脱了责任。
Timothy Mcveigh was not on his own.
蒂莫西·麦克维并不是孤军奋战。
He was a creation of the white supremacist movement.
他是白人至上主义运动的产物。
He carried The Turner Diaries around and read it to people.
他随身携带《特纳日记》并向人们朗读。
He lived at the gun shows.
他住在枪展上。
He met Neo-Nazis, and visited with them.
他会见了新纳粹分子，并拜访了他们。
He was part of this movement.
他是这场运动的一部分。
And the idea that there was no connection between white supremacist movement and the events in Oklahoma City is patently false.
白人至上主义运动与俄克拉荷马城事件之间没有联系的想法显然是错误的。
There was a strong connection and it was a deep connection.
这是一种牢固的联系，而且是一种深刻的联系。
Stuart Wright, Writer: When the verdict was read, Mcveigh’s demeanor didn’t change at all.
斯图尔特·赖特（Stuart Wright），作家：宣读判决时，麦克维的举止没有任何变化。
He didn’t even blink.
他连眼睛都没眨一下。
I think he fully expected to get the verdict and he fully expected to get the death penalty and he expected to die ‘cause I think he wanted to be a martyr.
我认为他完全期望得到判决，他完全期望被判处死刑，他期望死亡，因为我认为他想成为一名烈士。
Ben Fenwick, Journalist: He thought he was starting the next American Revolution.
本·芬威克（Ben Fenwick），记者：他认为他正在开始下一次美国革命。
And I think he did exactly the opposite, because he showed the human face of what it really means to attack a government, a government of the people.
我认为他的做法恰恰相反，因为他以人性的方式展示了攻击政府、人民的政府的真正含义。
Ruth Schwab, Housing and Urban Development: We were the government.
露丝·施瓦布（Ruth Schwab），住房和城市发展部：我们是政府。
We weren’t bad guys.
我们不是坏人。
We were mothers and fathers and daughters and sons and grandparents who had a job to do.
我们是母亲、父亲、女儿、儿子和祖父母，都有工作要做。
Supposedly you don’t have job satisfaction if you work for the government.
如果你为政府工作，据说你不会有工作满意度。
I never heard that type of talk in our office.
我从未在我们的办公室听到过这种谈话。
We were very proud of what we did.
我们对我们所做的事情感到非常自豪。
On June 11th, 2001, Timothy Mcveigh, was brought to the execution chamber, at the Terre Haute Federal Penitentiary.
2001 年 6 月 11 日，蒂莫西·麦克维 (Timothy Mcveigh) 被带到特雷霍特联邦监狱的行刑室。
Archival Sot: Mcveigh: Death penalty is…
档案 Sot：麦克维：死刑是……
would you call it an oxymoron?
你会称之为矛盾吗？
Death is not a penalty, it’s an escape.
死亡不是一种惩罚，而是一种逃避。
They treat me like a trophy.
他们对待我就像对待奖杯一样。
Like they’ve got me, they want to kill me, we’ve won.
就像他们抓住了我，他们想杀了我一样，我们赢了。
They didn’t win.
他们没有赢。
In the crudest terms: 168-1.
最粗略地说：168-1。
At 7:14am, Mcveigh was executed by lethal injection.
上午7点14分，麦克维被注射死刑。
Over 200 survivors and victims’ families witnessed it on closed-circuit television.
200多名幸存者和遇难者家属通过闭路电视目睹了这一过程。
Randy Norfleet, U.S. Marine Corps: He died without a word.
兰迪·诺弗利特，美国海军陆战队：他一言不发地去世了。
There was no pain.
没有疼痛。
There was no regret.
没有遗憾。
Because I looked into his eyes before they were closed that last time, and saw the same deep anger and resentment and rage that I had seen in that trial several years before.
因为我上次在他闭上眼睛之前看着他的眼睛，看到了我在几年前的审判中看到的同样深沉的愤怒、怨恨和愤怒。
Jerry Flowers, Police Inspector: Justice was served.
警官杰里·弗劳尔斯：正义得到了伸张。
That don’t bring them back.
那不会让他们回来。
It just won’t bring them back.
它只是不会让他们回来。
But it closes a door on that chapter, and that’s exactly what happened when they lowered the boom down on Timothy Mcveigh.
但它关闭了这一章的大门，而这正是他们在蒂莫西·麦克维身上放下吊杆时所发生的事情。
Ruth Schwab, Housing and Urban Development: I had to forgive him.
露丝·施瓦布（Ruth Schwab），住房和城市发展部：我不得不原谅他。
Because it was eating me alive.
因为它正在活活地吃掉我。
And I knew that if I kept that hatred inside, he would have won.
我知道，如果我把仇恨藏在心里，他就会赢。
He would have won, and I did not want to give him that success in my life.
他本来会赢，但我不想让他在我的生活中取得如此成功。
He did not kill me, and he wasn’t going to destroy me.
他没有杀我，也不会毁掉我。
Jim Denny, Father: We didn’t go to the execution.
吉姆·丹尼，父亲：我们没有去执行死刑。
We had no time to worry about that.
我们没有时间担心这个。
Our total focus, regardless of whatever it took, was our children.
无论付出什么代价，我们的全部关注点都是我们的孩子。
Our children and our family.
我们的孩子和我们的家人。
Claudia Denny, Mother: We were very blessed.
克劳迪娅·丹尼，母亲：我们非常幸运。
But it’s been hard for us.
但这对我们来说很难。
I mean to watch Brandon struggle, as he’s struggled, for the last twenty years.
我的意思是看到布兰登在过去二十年里一直在挣扎。
Faith, family and friends, that’s how we survived through all of this.
信仰、家人和朋友，这就是我们度过这一切的方式。
But it also makes me wonder why a little bit.
但这也让我想知道为什么。
I mean, I don’t question it all the time, but sometimes I question why.
我的意思是，我并不总是质疑它，但有时我会质疑为什么。
And I do have a little bit of the survivor’s guilt that my children survived and some of the others didn’t.
我确实有一点幸存者的负罪感，因为我的孩子们活了下来，而其他一些人却没有。
Helena Garrett, Mother: I still have hope that no one ever again becomes so enraged with hatred and prejudice and judgment that they think the only thing to do is to kill and harm other people.
海伦娜·加勒特（Helena Garrett），母亲：我仍然希望，不再有人因仇恨、偏见和判断而变得如此愤怒，以至于他们认为唯一能做的就是杀害和伤害他人。
I have hope that through all of this that love is stronger than any terrorist attack.
我希望通过这一切，爱比任何恐怖袭击都更强大。
I have hope that that would never happen again.
我希望这种事永远不会再发生。
In the Oklahoma City bombing 168 people were killed, including 19 children.
俄克拉荷马城爆炸事件造成 168 人死亡，其中包括 19 名儿童。
Among the victims were 98 federal government employees.
遇难者中有 98 名联邦政府雇员。
Terry Nichols was found guilty of 161 counts of murder, and sentenced to life in prison without parole.
特里·尼科尔斯被判犯有 161 项谋杀罪，并被判处终身监禁，不得假释。
Michael Fortier was sentenced to twelve years in prison.
迈克尔·福蒂尔被判处十二年监禁。
In 2006, he was released and placed into the federal witness protection program.
2006年，他被释放并纳入联邦证人保护计划。
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, more than 500 militant white-supremacist groups are currently active in the United States.
据南方贫困法律中心称，目前美国有超过500个激进的白人至上主义团体活跃。
In 1993, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh went to Waco, Texas to witness the stand-off between federal agents and the Branch Davidians.
1993年，俄克拉荷马城炸弹袭击者蒂莫西·麦克维前往德克萨斯州韦科，目睹联邦特工与大卫教派之间的对峙。
Rebecca Muniz was one of six children at the America’s Kids day-care center who survived the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.
丽贝卡·穆尼斯 (Rebecca Muniz) 是美国儿童日托中心 1995 年俄克拉荷马城爆炸事件中幸存的六名儿童之一。
Here, she discusses her life since the bombing.
在这里，她讨论了爆炸事件发生后的生活。
The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing was a product of a radical antigovernment movement with deep roots in our country’s peculiar history and culture.
1995 年俄克拉荷马城爆炸事件是根深蒂固于我国特殊历史和文化的激进反政府运动的产物。
Director Barak Goodman discusses the decision to open his film with the iconic image of the Murrah Federal Building just moments after the Oklahoma City bombing.
导演巴拉克·古德曼讨论了以俄克拉荷马城爆炸事件发生后不久的默拉联邦大厦标志性形象作为影片开场的决定。
Ruth Schwab was working at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City when a bomb detonated by Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people.
当蒂莫西·麦克维引爆的炸弹造成 168 人死亡时，露丝·施瓦布 (Ruth Schwab) 正在俄克拉荷马城的默拉联邦大楼 (Murrah Federal Building) 工作。
She shares her thoughts on the bombing and her life after.
她分享了她对爆炸事件和爆炸后生活的看法。
The worst act of domestic terrorism in American history.
美国历史上最严重的国内恐怖主义行为。
Watch the opening scene of Oklahoma City.
观看俄克拉荷马城的开幕场面。