Kinsey
Narrator : Summer, 1953, the Korean War is ending.
旁白:1953年夏天,朝鲜战争即将结束。
Francis Crick and James Watson decode the structure of DNA.
弗朗西斯·克里克和詹姆斯·沃森破译了 DNA 的结构。
But the biggest news event in America is the publication of a book, Sexual Behavior in the Human Female , otherwise known as the Kinsey report.
但美国最大的新闻事件是《人类女性的性行为》一书的出版,也称为金赛报告。
James Jones, Biographer : In boardrooms, in barbershops, at the ballpark, people standing on the corner.
传记作者詹姆斯·琼斯:在会议室、理发店、棒球场,人们站在角落里。
They talk about Alfred Kinsey's data.
他们谈论阿尔弗雷德·金赛的数据。
Woman Interviewed, Archival : I think it's a good thing.
接受采访的女士,档案:我认为这是一件好事。
I think the more you know about anything the better you can do it, and the better you can do it the more successful you are.
我认为你对任何事情了解得越多,你就能做得越好,而你做得越好,你就越成功。
John Gagnon, Sex Researcher : Suddenly someone had said, "Here is the American sex report card.
约翰·加格农 (John Gagnon),性研究员:突然有人说:“这是美国的性报告卡。
And this is what it looks like," and I think that's what caused the huge reaction.
这就是它看起来的样子,”我认为这就是引起巨大反应的原因。
Narrator : At the center of the storm was an unlikely figure, a 59-year-old Professor of Zoology from Indiana University named Alfred Kinsey.
旁白:风暴的中心是一个不太可能的人物,他是印第安纳大学 59 岁的动物学教授阿尔弗雷德·金赛 (Alfred Kinsey)。
Kinsey had done what no one had dared do before: Interview thousands of Americans about their sexual experiences.
金赛做了一件以前没人敢做的事:采访数千名美国人,了解他们的性经历。
Reading, Alfred Kinsey : This research has been possible because over the past fifteen years some tens of thousands of people have cooperated...
阿尔弗雷德·金赛 (Alfred Kinsey) 阅读:这项研究之所以成为可能,是因为在过去十五年里,有数以万计的人合作过……
Julia Ericksen, Sociologist : Kinsey wanted to interview every kind of sexual activity and to hear every different kind of story and every different kind of account of sexuality.
朱莉娅·埃里克森(Julia Ericksen),社会学家:金赛想要采访每一种性活动,聆听每一种不同的故事和对性的每一种不同的描述。
John Tebbel, Kinsey Associate : He made you feel that you were not talking about yourself even though you were.
约翰·特贝尔(John Tebbel),金赛助理:他让你觉得你不是在谈论自己,尽管你确实在谈论自己。
Somehow, uh in the first five minutes, you would be telling him things you had never told anybody.
不知怎的,呃,在最初的五分钟里,你会告诉他一些你从未告诉过任何人的事情。
Narrator : What Alfred Kinsey would tell Americans about sex would shake them to their core.
旁白:阿尔弗雷德·金赛向美国人讲述的有关性的内容将会从根本上震撼他们。
James Jones : Suddenly the conspiracy of silence is shattered in a society that had been tapped down, and really things will never be the same again.
詹姆斯·琼斯:突然之间,在一个被压制的社会中,沉默的阴谋被打破了,事情真的再也不会一样了。
Narrator : On a crisp fall day in 1938, the bucolic campus of Indiana University in Bloomington was a buzz with excitement.
旁白:1938 年一个秋高气爽的一天,布卢明顿印第安纳大学充满田园气息的校园里热闹非凡。
A small notice had appeared announcing a new course on the subject of human sexuality.
出现了一个小通知,宣布开设有关人类性行为主题的新课程。
The course was to be given by Professor of Zoology, Alfred Kinsey.
该课程由动物学教授阿尔弗雷德·金赛教授。
Its syllabus promised a series of frank lectures covering sexual technique, physiology, and contraception.
它的教学大纲承诺提供一系列坦率的讲座,涵盖性技巧、生理学和避孕。
IU students hoped the class would fill a gaping hole in their education.
印第安纳大学的学生希望该课程能够填补他们教育中的空白。
For several years, an epidemic of venereal disease had spread fear on college campuses.
几年来,性病的流行在大学校园里传播了恐惧。
At Indiana, the student newspaper had begun to clamor for a real course on sex.
在印第安纳州,学生报纸开始呼吁开设真正的性课程。
Most Students, even those already engaged, knew next to nothing about what to expect on their wedding nights.
大多数学生,甚至那些已经订婚的学生,对新婚之夜会发生什么几乎一无所知。
Alice Ginott Cohn : At that time, Indiana University was very, very repressed.
Alice Ginott Cohn:当时印第安纳大学非常非常压抑。
There was a ten o'clock curfew for girls.
女孩有十点钟的宵禁。
I stayed out later.
后来我就留在外面了。
Oh you would think the world had come to an end.
哦,你会认为世界末日已经到来。
Bob Bayer : There was a lot of braggadocio, but uh, no, that was all bluff.
鲍勃·拜尔:有很多自吹自擂,但是呃,不,那都是虚张声势。
There was not a lot of premarital sex going on at all.
根本没有发生很多婚前性行为。
Most of my knowledge of sex was gained in the back seat of a '26 Chevy.
我关于性的大部分知识都是在一辆 26 年雪佛兰的后座上获得的。
Patricia Franck Sheffield : I grew up on a farm.
帕特里夏·弗兰克·谢菲尔德:我在农场长大。
And we had cows and we had a bull and we had a pig; she had 17 babies which I watched born.
我们养了奶牛、公牛和猪;她生了 17 个孩子,我亲眼看着他们出生。
Other than that I didn't know much of anything.
除此之外我什么都不知道。
Except I had masturbated, and I thought I invented it.
但我自慰过,而且我以为这是我发明的。
Morris & Alice Binkley : My mother thought it was time to talk to me.
莫里斯和爱丽丝宾克利:我妈妈认为是时候跟我谈谈了。
And she said, now if you go to a church meeting some evening with your boyfriend and you share a songbook and you hold it, and you help hold it with your hand and your little finger sticks out and he helps hold it with his hand and your, his little finger, that's sex.
她说,现在,如果你有一天晚上和你的男朋友去教堂聚会,你们分享一本歌集,你拿着它,你用手帮忙拿着它,你的小指伸出来,他用他的手和你的小指帮忙拿着它,那就是性。
Narrator : Though professor Kinsey's course was restricted to seniors and married students, hundreds lined up to register.
旁白:虽然金赛教授的课程仅限高年级学生和已婚学生,但仍有数百人排队报名。
Some underclassmen donned fake wedding rings to qualify for admission and others moved up their actual wedding dates.
一些低年级学生戴上假结婚戒指以获得入学资格,另一些则提前了他们的实际结婚日期。
Morris & Alice Binkley : He announced that he was going to give the course that fall and so we got married September the 6th and we had a week to take a honeymoon, uh...
Morris 和 Alice Binkley:他宣布他将在秋天开设该课程,所以我们于 9 月 6 日结婚,我们有一周的时间去度蜜月,呃......
the next week, we started in on Kinsey's class.
接下来的一周,我们开始上金赛的课。
Narrator : Whatever students had hoped for from Kinsey's course, few imagined what they would actually witness.
旁白:无论学生们希望从金赛的课程中得到什么,很少有人想象到他们会真正目睹什么。
On the first day of class, Kinsey boldly staked out his philosophy.
在上课的第一天,金赛就大胆地阐述了他的哲学。
"The only kinds of sexual dysfunction," he declared, "are abstinence, celibacy and delayed marriage." Then he turned on the slide projector.
“唯一的性功能障碍,”他宣称,“就是禁欲、独身和晚婚。”然后他打开幻灯机。
James Jones : You would have to put yourself back in the 30s to begin to imagine how outrageous the content of that class was, how astonishingly vivid and unvarnished and factual and accurate it was about human sexual behavior.
詹姆斯·琼斯:你必须把自己带回到 30 多岁,才能开始想象那堂课的内容是多么令人震惊,它对人类性行为的描述是多么生动、真实、真实和准确。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy, Biographer : Kinsey came straight out; he talked about clitorises, orgasms, penises.
乔纳森·加索恩·哈迪(Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy),传记作者:金赛直言不讳;他谈到阴蒂、性高潮、阴茎。
Unheard of in 1936, people almost fainted with fascination and excitement.
1936年闻所未闻,人们兴奋得几乎晕倒。
Morris & Alice Binkley : I knew about the penis.
莫里斯和爱丽丝宾克利:我了解阴茎。
But I had never heard of the word clitoris....
但我从来没有听说过阴蒂这个词......
I'd heard of homosexuals but I really didn't know what a homosexual was.
我听说过同性恋,但我真的不知道同性恋是什么。
He drew a big long line up on the board and he had women at one end and men at the other.
他在黑板上画了一条长长的线,一端是女性,另一端是男性。
And then in the center he said there some women that are more like men than women and some men who are like women than men.
然后在中心,他说有些女性比女性更像男性,有些男性比男性更像女性。
....
....
So I got a little bit better idea.
所以我有了更好的主意。
Narrator : In many ways, Alfred Kinsey was the last man students would have expected to shatter the silence on sex.
旁白:从很多方面来说,阿尔弗雷德·金赛是学生们最意想不到的打破性沉默的人。
With his crew cut and bow tie, he seemed the very embodiment of the straight-laced professor more at home in his biology lab than in the classroom.
他留着平头,打着领结,看起来就像是一位拘谨的教授,他在生物实验室里比在教室里更自在。
But alongside Kinsey's Midwestern conservatism burned a missionary zeal.
但与金赛的中西部保守主义并存的是传教士的热情。
He lectured that sexual ignorance led to real suffering, and sexual liberation was the key to a strong marriage and a happy life.
他讲道,对性的无知会导致真正的痛苦,性解放是牢固婚姻和幸福生活的关键。
Reading, Alfred Kinsey : It is ideas as to what is proper and what is not which interferes with the consummation of marriage.
阿尔弗雷德·金赛(Alfred Kinsey)阅读:阻碍婚姻圆满的是关于什么是正确的、什么是不正确的观念。
It is prudish ideas that do more than any other single factor to undermine the home.
正经的想法比任何其他单一因素都更能破坏家庭。
Morris & Alice Binkley : I think he was sincerely wanting to help.
莫里斯和爱丽丝宾克利:我认为他是真诚地想提供帮助。
He explained to us that there were a lot frigid women and they'd been taught that sex was wrong, uh, and that um, you shouldn't have sex you know.
他向我们解释说,有很多性冷淡的女性,她们被教导性是错误的,呃,嗯,你不应该发生性行为,你知道的。
And then when they got married they couldn't uh, participate, they didn't know how and didn't, and they were afraid.
然后,当他们结婚时,他们无法呃参与,他们不知道如何参与,也没有参与,他们很害怕。
James Jones : What he wanted to do in the marriage class, was to give people the tools, that they needed to understand their own sexuality, to act upon it without guilt and to have it be a vital and joyful part of their existence.
詹姆斯·琼斯:他想在婚姻课上做的是给人们提供工具,让他们了解自己的性取向,毫无愧疚地采取行动,并让它成为他们存在中至关重要和快乐的一部分。
Narrator : Word of Kinsey's class spread quickly through conservative Bloomington.
旁白:金赛课程的消息在保守的布卢明顿迅速传播开来。
Alumni and faculty members were horrified to learn of Kinsey's clinical description of the sexual act, and his open endorsement of contraception and sexual freedom.
校友和教职员工得知金赛对性行为的临床描述以及他对避孕和性自由的公开支持感到震惊。
Foremost among Kinsey's critics was Thurman Rice, a professor of medicine who had decided to drop in on the marriage class.
金赛的批评者中最重要的是医学教授瑟曼·赖斯(Thurman Rice),他决定旁听婚姻课程。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : Kinsey at this time was showing slides of penis entering vagina and Thurman Rice was a burly person at the medical school was turned on by this.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:金赛当时正在展示阴茎进入阴道的幻灯片,而医学院里身材魁梧的瑟曼·赖斯对此很感兴趣。
And he was outraged, he said, he...he said, and what happens if some little rosebud of a, of a, of a coed is also turned on, she'll go out, she'll sleep with everyone, she'll get pregnant.
他很愤怒,他说,他……他说,如果男女学生的一些小玫瑰花蕾也被打开,会发生什么,她会出去,她会和每个人一起睡觉,她会怀孕。
Narrator : Galvanized by Rice, a group of faculty members brought pressure on Kinsey to stop teaching the marriage course.
旁白:在赖斯的刺激下,一群教员向金赛施加压力,要求他停止教授婚姻课程。
But Kinsey was defiant.
但金赛却充满挑衅。
"If they think I will back down," he confided to a friend, "They don't know me."
“如果他们认为我会让步,”他向一位朋友透露,“他们就不了解我。”
James Jones : Hidden beneath the mantle of science, Kinsey psychologically is always a man in opposition.
詹姆斯·琼斯:隐藏在科学外衣之下的金赛在心理上始终是一个反对派。
He's a rebel fighting against the forces of censorship and oppression and Victorian, Victorian morality.
他是一名反抗者,与审查制度和压迫力量以及维多利亚时代的道德作斗争。
Narrator : Alfred Charles Kinsey grew up in a cold water flat in the dismal industrial town of Hoboken, New Jersey.
旁白:阿尔弗雷德·查尔斯·金赛在新泽西州霍博肯惨淡的工业小镇的一个冷水公寓里长大。
Kinsey was a sickly child.
金赛是一个体弱多病的孩子。
He suffered from rickets, rheumatic fever, and finally a case of typhoid.
他患有佝偻病、风湿热,最后还患上了伤寒。
Doctors doubted whether his heart would last until he was 20.
医生怀疑他的心脏能否存活到20岁。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : At school, like sick people often are, he was bullied a lot.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:在学校,就像病人一样,他经常被欺负。
And this was compounded by the fact that his father was also a bully.
更糟糕的是,他的父亲也是一个恶霸。
Narrator : Kinsey's father, Alfred Seguine Kinsey, was a striving Engineering Instructor at a small college and a self-ordained Methodist Preacher.
旁白:金赛的父亲阿尔弗雷德·塞吉因·金赛是一所小学院的一名努力奋斗的工程讲师,也是一名自封的卫理公会传教士。
James Jones : Kinsey's father was a patriarch, writ large.
詹姆斯·琼斯:金赛的父亲显然是一位族长。
And he wants to have a moral oasis.
他希望拥有一片道德绿洲。
He wants his children to be reared in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
他希望他的孩子们在主的教导和警戒下长大。
And in his household there's a lot more admonition than there is nurture.
在他的家里,劝告多于教养。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : He used to send Kinsey out to buy cigarettes, aged eleven, which you weren't allowed to do then any more than now.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:他曾经派十一岁的金赛出去买香烟,那时比现在更不被允许这样做。
And the moment the shopkeeper had, uh, sold the cigarettes, Kinsey's father would pounce, he'd report him to the authorities and of course that made him unpopular.
当店主,呃,卖掉香烟的那一刻,金赛的父亲就会猛扑过去,他会向当局举报他,当然这让他不受欢迎。
Narrator : Too sick to play sports with other boys, forbidden to see girls outside of school, young Alfred spent most of his time alone.
旁白:年轻的阿尔弗雷德病得太重,无法与其他男孩一起运动,也被禁止在校外见到女孩,年轻的阿尔弗雷德大部分时间都是独处。
In the Kinsey household, life was to be lived for the improvement of the soul, not the satisfaction of the flesh.
在金赛一家,生活是为了灵魂的提升,而不是肉体的满足。
Paul Gebhard, Kinsey Associate : The household was certainly asexual.
Paul Gebhard,金赛助理:这个家庭肯定是无性的。
He never saw any affection between his parents.
他从未见过父母之间有任何感情。
So you know sex was, uh, you wouldn't even mention it in that family.
所以你知道性是,呃,在那个家庭里你甚至不会提到它。
What it amounted to, he grew up thinking sex was evil, that uh, masturbation would uh, put you in the madhouse ultimately you know.
这意味着什么,他从小就认为性是邪恶的,呃,手淫最终会让你进疯人院,你知道。
Narrator : Masturbation was a consuming worry not just in the Kinsey household.
旁白:手淫不仅是金赛一家的一个令人烦恼的问题。
At 16, Alfred joined the Boy Scouts, which warned its young charges about the dangers of self-abuse.
16 岁时,阿尔弗雷德加入了童子军,该童子军警告年轻的孩子们自虐的危险。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : One of his troop was called Kenneth Hand.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:他的一支部队叫做肯尼思·汉德。
And he kept all the letters, which Hand wrote him, which are quite often about trying to stop masturbating in veiled language.
他保留了汉德写给他的所有信件,这些信件通常是关于试图用隐晦的语言停止自慰。
But you can see it clear -- I had another of those fits, that sort of thing.
但你可以清楚地看到——我又犯了一次类似的事情。
Paul Gebhard : Kinsey commiserated with him and said, oh yes, it's a terrible thing you know, it's...I suffer from it too, we must fight it and the kid said, well what do we do?
保罗·格布哈德:金赛对他表示同情,并说,哦,是的,这是一件可怕的事情,你知道,它......我也患有它,我们必须与之抗争,孩子说,那么我们该怎么办?
And Kinsey said, well I, I guess all we can do is pray.
金赛说,好吧,我想我们能做的就是祈祷。
So they both got down on their knees by the cot and prayed to be relieved of this terrible sin.
于是,他们双膝跪在小床旁,祈祷摆脱这一可怕的罪恶。
Narrator : As a teenager Alfred bowed to the moral prescriptions of his times.
旁白:青少年时期的阿尔弗雷德屈服于他那个时代的道德规范。
But on scouting trips, he found relief from the suffocating pressure of his home life.
但在侦察旅行中,他从家庭生活的令人窒息的压力中找到了解脱。
James Jones : Nature is freedom.
詹姆斯·琼斯:自然就是自由。
It's breathing space.
这是喘息的空间。
Nature is getting out of the house.
大自然正在走出家门。
Nature gives Alfred Kinsey an area which he can define himself.
大自然给了阿尔弗雷德·金赛一个他可以定义自己的领域。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : He would walk, ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty-five miles a day and you can sense this release.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:他每天会步行十英里、十五英里、二十英里、二十五英里,你可以感觉到这种释放。
You begin to see, there's a very strong person here, a person with enormous willpower.
你开始看到,这里有一个非常坚强的人,一个有着巨大意志力的人。
Narrator : Alfred learned the names of every tree, every plant, and every insect he encountered.
旁白:阿尔弗雷德学会了他遇到的每棵树、每一种植物和每一种昆虫的名字。
At school, he soon knew more than his biology teacher.
在学校里,他很快就比他的生物老师懂得更多。
His classmates called him 'the next Darwin'.
他的同学称他为“下一个达尔文”。
The nickname fit.
昵称很合适。
Alfred had found a new religion: science.
阿尔弗雷德发现了一种新的宗教:科学。
James Jones : When Kinsey finishes high school, he's the valedictorian of his class, he's this bright, shining youth, and he's ready to set the world on fire.
詹姆斯·琼斯:当金赛高中毕业时,他是班上的告别演说者,他是一个聪明、闪亮的年轻人,他已经准备好点燃世界。
Everyone knows but his father that he wants to be a biologist.
除了他父亲之外,每个人都知道他想成为一名生物学家。
The only person on the planet who can't face that is his father...
这个星球上唯一无法面对的人就是他的父亲......
Narrator : At 19, Alfred announced he was leaving home to train as a biologist.
旁白:19 岁时,阿尔弗雷德宣布他要离家去接受生物学家的培训。
But his father wouldn't hear of it.
但他的父亲不听。
Having given up on his son becoming a preacher, he insisted that Alfred stay home and pursue a practical career in engineering.
在放弃儿子成为一名传教士之后,他坚持让阿尔弗雷德呆在家里,从事工程领域的实际职业。
James Jones : There is a cataclysmic confrontation with his father that takes place in the driveway of their home...he doesn't recognize the son who's in front of him, this is the kid who's supposed to be dutiful, this is the kid who's supposed to do his father's bidding.
詹姆斯·琼斯:在他们家的车道上,他与父亲发生了一场灾难性的冲突……他不认识在他面前的儿子,这个孩子应该尽职尽责,这个孩子应该听从父亲的命令。
And the kid who's standing in front of him is defiant and he's independent and he's asking his father in an angry voice for independence.
站在他面前的孩子是挑衅的,他是独立的,他用愤怒的声音要求他的父亲独立。
His father can't give it to him.
他的父亲不能给他。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : So Kinsey walked out.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:所以金赛走了。
He simply walked out
他简单地走了出去
Paul Gebhard : All his father gave him was a suit of clothes.
Paul Gebhard:他父亲给他的只是一套衣服。
No support after that, he was on his own.
此后,没有任何支持,他只能靠自己了。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : Freud said that the hero first defies the father and then defeats him.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:弗洛伊德说,英雄首先反抗父亲,然后击败他。
But you have to be brave, to defy and defeat a man who's dominated you since you were born.
但你必须勇敢,去反抗并击败一个从你出生起就主宰你的人。
And Kinsey was brave.
金赛很勇敢。
Narrator : Six years after leaving home, Alfred Kinsey arrived at Indiana University, a newly minted Professor of Zoology.
旁白:离开家乡六年后,阿尔弗雷德·金赛来到印第安纳大学,成为新任动物学教授。
He had amassed a brilliant academic record at Bowdoin College and Harvard Graduate School in his chosen field of Entymology.
他在鲍登学院和哈佛大学研究生院在他选择的昆虫学领域积累了辉煌的学术记录。
Now he threw himself into his work, spending months out in the field collecting insects and hour upon hour holed up in his lab.
现在,他全身心投入到工作中,花了几个月的时间在野外收集昆虫,并日复一日地躲在实验室里。
With little time left for socializing, Kinsey's life on campus was lonely.
由于几乎没有时间社交,金赛的校园生活很孤独。
Despite his good looks, he had little confidence with women.
尽管他相貌英俊,但他对女人却缺乏信心。
But there was one young woman able to see through his awkward exterior.
但有一位年轻女子能够看穿他尴尬的外表。
Clara Bracken MacMillen, the twenty-two-year-old daughter of Indiana school teachers, was short and plain looking, but brilliant and fiercely independent.
克拉拉·布莱肯·麦克米伦 (Clara Bracken MacMillen) 22 岁,是印第安纳州学校教师的女儿,身材矮小,相貌平平,但才华横溢且极其独立。
James Jones : It wasn't love at first sight, but she saw a potential in him.
詹姆斯·琼斯:这不是一见钟情,但她看到了他的潜力。
She was willing to help a shy guy who had no experience, virtually none, dating women.
她愿意帮助一个没有(几乎没有)约会女性经验的害羞男人。
I think she was willing to kind of work with him in ways that a, a woman who demanded maybe more sophistication or more experience uh, with women might not have been able to.
我认为她愿意以一种可能无法做到的方式与他合作,而一个可能要求更成熟或更多经验的女人可能无法做到。
Narrator : The two began to see each other.
旁白:两人开始见面。
Alfred called Clara "Mac," she called him "Prok," short for Professor Kinsey...
阿尔弗雷德称克拉拉为“Mac”,她称他为“Prok”,是金赛教授的缩写……
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : It was a strenuous courtship his first present to her, it was a clasp knife, a pair of Bass boots for hiking...
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:这是一次艰苦的求爱,他给她的第一份礼物是一把折叠刀、一双适合徒步旅行的巴斯靴子……
and some other kind, it was sort of a backpack or something which she must have slightly blinked at.
还有一些其他的东西,比如背包之类的东西,她一定会微微眨眼。
Narrator : Alfred and Clara were married in a simple ceremony on June 3, 1921.
旁白:阿尔弗雷德和克拉拉于 1921 年 6 月 3 日举行了简单的婚礼。
But their wedding night did not go well.
但他们的新婚之夜并不顺利。
Julia Ericksen : He certainly himself said that when he married he was a virgin and that his wife was a virgin too, and that they had a lot of difficulty at the beginning because they didn't know what to do...and remember this is a boy, man who as a boy had been feeling terrible about masturbation so now he gets married and suddenly he's supposed to be an expert.
朱莉娅·埃里克森:他自己当然说过,当他结婚时,他是处女,他的妻子也是处女,他们一开始遇到了很多困难,因为他们不知道该怎么做……记住这是一个男孩,一个男人,他小时候一直对手淫感觉很糟糕,所以现在他结婚了,突然间他应该成为一个专家。
Narrator : Alfred and Clara struggled on for months unaware that Clara had a restricted hymen, which made sex all but impossible.
旁白:阿尔弗雷德和克拉拉挣扎了几个月,却没有意识到克拉拉的处女膜有限,这使得性行为几乎不可能。
After a simple surgery, the couple finally consummated their marriage.
经过简单的手术,夫妻俩终于圆了婚。
Alfred was 27 years old.
阿尔弗雷德当时 27 岁。
Mortified by his sexual fumblings with Clara, Kinsey went in search of answers, plunging into the existing literature about sex.
金赛对自己与克拉拉在性方面的失误感到羞愧,他开始寻找答案,深入研究有关性的现有文献。
Paul Gebhard : He began to rebel against all this prior restraint and cast aside the religious dogma and start thinking about sex and then start reading about it and finding that uh, there was very little known and that what a lot of what was known was nonsense.
保罗·格布哈德(Paul Gebhard):他开始反抗所有这些先前的限制,抛开宗教教条,开始思考性,然后开始阅读有关性的内容,发现呃,人们知之甚少,而且很多已知的东西都是无稽之谈。
Narrator : Kinsey found that what had been written consisted largely of moral prescriptions thinly disguised as science.
旁白:金赛发现,所写的内容主要是伪装成科学的道德规定。
Julia Ericksen : Most of the writers with few exceptions up to this point have thought society needed to repress sexuality because sex unbounded is a bad thing.
朱莉娅·埃里克森:到目前为止,除了少数例外,大多数作家都认为社会需要压制性行为,因为不受限制的性行为是一件坏事。
Man, Scientist, Archival : Can you see them wriggling back and forth across the slide?
男人、科学家、档案:你能看到它们在幻灯片上来回蠕动吗?
Those are the germs that cause your syphilis.
这些是引起梅毒的细菌。
You had to learn the hard way...
你必须以艰难的方式学习...
Narrator : Unbounded sexuality was not only blamed for spreading venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy, but for causing nervous disorders, intemperance, even madness.
旁白:无节制的性行为不仅被指责为传播性病和意外怀孕的罪魁祸首,而且还被指责导致神经紊乱、酗酒甚至疯狂。
The role of sex research, it was widely believed, was not to find out what people were really doing, but to endorse a narrow range of acceptable behavior.
人们普遍认为,性研究的作用不是找出人们真正在做什么,而是支持一小部分可接受的行为。
James Jones : The only sex that is condoned in American society is sex between a man and a woman in marriage.
詹姆斯·琼斯:美国社会唯一被宽恕的性行为是婚姻中男女之间的性行为。
Masturbation, extramarital contacts, homosexual contacts, every way that you can think of to have an orgasm that is not between a man and a woman in marriage, is forbidden by society.
自慰、婚外接触、同性恋接触,所有你能想到的非婚内男女之间获得性高潮的方式,都是社会所禁止的。
Narrator : Kinsey was deeply disturbed by what he found in the sexual literature.
旁白:金赛对他在性文学中发现的内容深感不安。
As a scientist, the lack of empirical data offended him and the overtones of morality reminded him of his childhood.
作为一名科学家,缺乏经验数据让他感到不舒服,而道德的暗示让他想起了自己的童年。
But most of all, the narrow view of sexuality was at odds with his belief in the boundless diversity of nature.
但最重要的是,狭隘的性观念与他对自然无限多样性的信念不一致。
The source of Kinsey's conviction was a tiny flightless insect called a gall wasp.
金赛的信念源于一种不会飞的微小昆虫,称为瘿黄蜂。
Ever since Harvard he'd collected the wasps with a compulsive intensity.
自从哈佛大学以来,他就以一种不可抑制的强度收集黄蜂。
John Bancroft, Sex Researcher : He literally collected millions of specimens and was interested in how you know each gall wasp was always a little bit different from the next one.
约翰·班克罗夫特(John Bancroft),性研究员:他确实收集了数百万个标本,并且对如何知道每只瘿蜂总是与下一只有所不同感兴趣。
Narrator : By the mid-1930's, Kinsey had painstakingly measured, labeled, and pinned tens of thousands of insects.
旁白:到 1930 年代中期,金赛煞费苦心地测量、标记并固定了数以万计的昆虫。
What he saw amazed him: while other biologists had lumped nature into distinct categories, Kinsey's wasps seemed to create a vast blur of individual variation.
他所看到的让他感到惊讶:虽然其他生物学家将自然分为不同的类别,但金赛的黄蜂似乎造成了个体差异的巨大模糊。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : In these millions and hundreds of thousands of gall wasps, not a single one was the same.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:在这数以百万计、数十万只瘿蜂中,没有一只是相同的。
They were all different.
他们都是不同的。
This, this was a lesson that, that fascinated him.
这,这就是一个教训,让他着迷。
Variety therefore, became, um, fundamental to his thinking.
因此,多样性成为,呃,他思维的基础。
Narrator : Kinsey's discovery -- that subtle differences existed in every living creature -- was the key scientific insight of his life.
旁白:金赛的发现——每种生物都存在细微的差异——是他一生的关键科学见解。
He published his findings in two highly acclaimed volumes.
他在两本广受好评的书中发表了他的发现。
But, as he began to look into sex, the question nagged him: would the principle of natural variations also apply to the more complex subject of human behavior?
但是,当他开始研究性时,一个问题困扰着他:自然变异原理是否也适用于更复杂的人类行为主题?
To find out, he began posing questions to those around him: professors, friends, and graduate students on gall wasp collecting trips.
为了找到答案,他开始向周围的人提出问题:教授、朋友和参加瘿蜂收集之旅的研究生。
He heard stories of pre-marital and extra-marital affairs, of fantasies and desires that went far beyond what he had read about in books.
他听到的婚前和婚外情的故事,以及远远超出他在书本上读到的幻想和欲望的故事。
John Tebbel : He was discovering sex was a lot bigger than people thought it was.
约翰·特贝尔:他发现性比人们想象的要重要得多。
You know everybody thinks of sex in terms of their own experience, when actually it's a tremendous tapestry of experiences.
你知道每个人都根据自己的经历来看待性,而实际上它是一个巨大的经历。
And that covers a vast territory.
这涵盖了广阔的领土。
Narrator : By 1938, Kinsey had been talking and reading about sex for more than ten years.
旁白:到 1938 年,金赛已经谈论和阅读有关性的内容十多年了。
He was ready to share his discoveries in a new kind of sexuality course, one that would banish myth with fact and prejudice with tolerance.
他准备在一种新的性课程中分享他的发现,这一课程将用事实消除神话,用宽容消除偏见。
The marriage course was a hit.
婚姻课程很受欢迎。
As it entered its second year, news of Kinsey's openness quickly spread far beyond the classroom.
当它进入第二年时,金赛开放的消息很快就传遍了课堂之外。
Anxious undergraduates began to line up outside his office seeking answers to questions about sex.
焦虑的本科生开始在他的办公室外排队,寻求有关性问题的答案。
Clyde Martin, Kinsey Associate : He emphasized that I always ought to wear a condom, uh, which I remember rather shocked me, I'd never thought of uh, trying to have sex before marriage.
克莱德·马丁,金赛助理:他强调我总是应该戴安全套,呃,我记得这让我很震惊,我从来没有想过呃,试图在婚前发生性行为。
Narrator : After office hours, Alfred and Clara hosted students in their home, offering tea, biscuits, and advice about the facts of life.
旁白:下班后,阿尔弗雷德和克拉拉在家里招待学生,提供茶、饼干和有关生活事实的建议。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : He would help these students.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:他会帮助这些学生。
There was a, a married couple who hadn't, couldn't live together, they had to sleep in separate dormitories.
有一对,一对夫妻,没有,不能住在一起,他们只能睡在不同的宿舍里。
And they, and they had nowhere to make love.
而他们,他们却无处可做爱。
And, and Kinsey had a battered huge Nash, which had quite a big rear seat and Kinsey would lend it to them.
而且,金赛有一辆破旧的巨大纳什,它有一个很大的后座,金赛会把它借给他们。
He would put the key on a wall and they would come and take the key, drive off, make love and return the Nash to his house.
他会把钥匙放在墙上,他们就会来拿钥匙,开车离开,做爱,然后把纳什送回他家。
Narrator : Gradually, Kinsey began to imagine a new type of research: Cataloguing his students' sexual experiences in a detailed way.
旁白:渐渐地,金赛开始设想一种新型的研究:详细记录学生的性经历。
He would invite them to come after class for a personal conference, then urge them to reveal their sexual histories.
他会邀请他们下课后参加一次私人会议,然后敦促他们透露自己的性史。
James Jones : The marriage course gives him his first opportunity to collect sexual histories.
詹姆斯·琼斯:婚姻课程给了他第一次收集性历史的机会。
It is in every sense a laboratory for him.
从任何意义上来说,这对他来说都是一个实验室。
John Gagnon : He would say, how old are you?
约翰·加格农:他会说,你多大了?
And, and it would begin to flow from there.
而且,它将从那里开始流动。
Alice Ginott : He would start what was the earliest memory you have of having any kind of a sexual experience
艾丽丝·吉诺特:他会从你对性经历的最早记忆开始
T.
T。
C.
C.
Boyle, Novelist : When was the first time they were ever aware that there was a difference between the sexes?
小说家博伊尔:他们第一次意识到性别之间存在差异是什么时候?
When was the first time they masturbated?
他们第一次自慰是什么时候?
When was the first time they had any sort of sexual experience?
他们第一次有性经历是什么时候?
Narrator : Before long students were pouring out their secrets to Kinsey.
旁白:不久之后,学生们开始向金赛倾诉他们的秘密。
James Jones : He was an absolute genius at putting people at ease.
詹姆斯·琼斯:他在让人们放松方面绝对是个天才。
He could be fatherly.
他可以是慈父般的。
He could be oh so reassuring.
他可以这么让人放心。
He could be confrontational.
他可能会具有对抗性。
He could be disinterested.
他可能是无私的。
He could be passionately sitting forward in his chair.
他可能热情地坐在椅子上。
He seemed to sense what people needed.
他似乎能感觉到人们需要什么。
John Tebbel : He made you feel that you were not talking about yourself, even though you were.
约翰·特贝尔:他让你觉得你不是在谈论自己,尽管你确实在谈论自己。
He made you feel that he you were as scientific as he was.
他让你觉得他和他一样科学。
Somehow in the first five minutes you would be telling him things you had never told anybody.
不知何故,在最初的五分钟里,你会告诉他一些你从未告诉过任何人的事情。
Alice Ginott : Now the first hour uh, was all pre-intercourse information.
Alice Ginott:现在第一个小时,呃,都是性交前的信息。
And then he would ask you, have you ever had intercourse.
然后他会问你,你们有过性行为吗?
If your answer was yes, the second hour, you stayed another hour.
如果你的答案是肯定的,那么第二个小时,你就再呆一个小时。
Boys on campus figured out, girls who stayed two hours had had intercourse.
校园里的男生发现,呆了两个小时的女生发生了性关系。
And so they would sit out there.
所以他们会坐在那儿。
If you came out after an hour, they were not interested in you.
如果你一个小时后出来,他们对你不感兴趣。
If you came out after two hours, they made a pass at you.
如果你两小时后出来,他们就会对你进行调侃。
Narrator : By the spring of 1939, Kinsey had held more than 300 after-class conferences with students.
旁白:到1939年春天,金赛已经与学生举行了300多次课后会议。
Five had asked about anatomical problems; eight about an absence of erotic feeling; 36 had inquired about masturbation; 29 about premarital intercourse; and nine more about homosexuality.
其中五人询问了解剖学问题;八是关于缺乏色情感觉; 36 人询问过自慰问题; 29关于婚前性行为;还有九个关于同性恋的。
To Kinsey, the case histories underscored the need for more research; to many alumni and faculty, they were proof that the professor had gone too far.
对于金赛来说,这些案例强调了进行更多研究的必要性。对于许多校友和教员来说,它们证明了教授走得太远了。
James Jones : Naturally, as word of what was transpiring in that class filtered to the larger academic community, people came out of the woodwork in opposition.
詹姆斯·琼斯:自然地,随着课堂上发生的事情传到更大的学术界,人们自然而然地提出反对。
Narrator : One man stood between Kinsey and certain disciplinary action -- Indiana's new president, Herman Wells.
旁白:一名男子站在金赛和某些纪律处分之间——印第安纳州新任总统赫尔曼·威尔斯。
A fierce advocate of academic freedom, Wells was determined to defend his faculty's research no matter where it might lead.
作为学术自由的坚定倡导者,威尔斯决心捍卫他的教员的研究,无论其结果如何。
But Wells was also a pragmatist, who knew there was only one chance to appease Kinsey's enemies.
但威尔斯也是一位实用主义者,他知道只有一次机会安抚金赛的敌人。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : Wells gave Kinsey a choice, he said, you can, you can do the marriage course, but you must stop asking these questions, or you can give up the marriage course and continue to get your sexual histories.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:威尔斯给了金赛一个选择,他说,你可以,你可以上婚姻课程,但是你必须停止问这些问题,或者你可以放弃婚姻课程,继续获取你的性史。
Narrator : Kinsey was furious, but made his choice without hesitation.
旁白:金赛愤怒不已,但还是毫不犹豫地做出了选择。
At the age of 45, he walked away from a respectable and successful career in Entymology, to strike out into the risky world of sex research.
45 岁时,他放弃了受人尊敬且成功的昆虫学职业生涯,进入了性研究的危险世界。
"It was heart warming to see you settling into what I supposed will be your real life's work, " and old friend wrote him.
老朋友写信给他说:“看到你开始从事我认为是你现实生活中的工作,我感到很温暖。”
"A project big enough to need all sides of you: the reformer, the scientific fanatic, the teacher all rolled into one and full steam ahead..."
“一个大到需要你方方面面的项目:改革者、科学狂热者、老师齐心协力,全速前进……”
Narrator : In the fall of 1939, Alfred Kinsey began actively collecting the sexual histories of Americans.
旁白:1939 年秋天,阿尔弗雷德·金赛开始积极收集美国人的性历史。
Paul Gebhard : He started out originally using college students.
Paul Gebhard:他一开始是利用大学生。
And then being a natural born collector, he couldn't stop with that; he started interviewing some of the faculty members.
作为一个天生的收藏家,他无法就此止步;他开始采访一些教职员工。
Then he started getting the building and grounds people.
然后他开始找大楼和场地的人员。
Nobody was safe...
没有人是安全的...
Narrator : He took Clara's sexual history, and even interviewed his own teenage children.
旁白:他记录了克拉拉的性史,甚至采访了他自己十几岁的孩子。
Joan Kinsey Reid : I felt the same way as I would if I went to a doctor I had never met before and I was an obstetrical patient....
琼·金赛·里德:如果我去看一位我以前从未见过的医生,而且我是一名产科患者,我也会有同样的感觉......
Ann Kinsey Call : And Joan and I have never talked about it.
安·金赛 (Ann Kinsey) 电话:琼和我从未谈论过这件事。
We both have the same impression.
我们俩都有同样的印象。
Joan Kinsey Reid : Right.
琼·金赛·里德:对。
It really was a non-event as far as I'm concerned.
就我而言,这确实是一件无关紧要的事情。
Narrator : Pretty soon, Kinsey had outgrown Bloomington altogether.
旁白:很快,金赛就完全无法适应布卢明顿的需要了。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : He goes to nearby universities.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:他去附近的大学。
He goes to clubs.
他去俱乐部。
He goes to Indianapolis.
他去了印第安纳波利斯。
Wherever there are people Kinsey goes.
有人的地方金赛就去哪里。
John Tebbel : Right from the beginning his main objective was to get as many people as possible in as many different levels of social strata as he could penetrate.
约翰·特贝尔:从一开始,他的主要目标就是尽可能多地接触到他能渗透到的不同社会阶层的人。
Narrator : Looking for working class men to interview, Kinsey made frequent stops at the Indiana State penal farms.
旁白:为了寻找工人阶级男性进行采访,金赛经常在印第安纳州监狱农场停留。
Julia Ericksen : He realized that in the 1930s, the prisons were full of working class men who'd been unemployed and drifting from town to town and eventually got themselves locked up.
朱莉娅·埃里克森:他意识到,在 20 世纪 30 年代,监狱里关满了失业的工人阶级男子,他们从一个城镇漂流到另一个城镇,最终被关进监狱。
So there was this ready supply of working-class men to interview.
因此,有现成的工人阶级男性可供采访。
Narrator : In prison, Kinsey made a discovery that shocked him: locked up alongside hardened criminals, he met dozens of men who had done nothing more than have consensual sex.
旁白:在监狱里,金赛有了一个令他震惊的发现:他和一些顽固的罪犯关在一起,他遇到了数十名除了自愿性行为之外什么也没做的男人。
John Bancroft : There were relatively few uh, types of sexual activity that you could engage in which didn't break the law.
约翰·班克罗夫特(John Bancroft):可以进行的不违法的性活动类型相对较少。
Having sex before marriage; adultery was illegal; in some states oral sex was illegal even within marriage; and certainly anal sex was...
婚前发生性关系;通奸是非法的;在一些州,即使在婚内口交也是非法的;当然,肛交是......
Narrator : Kinsey was disturbed that sexual acts he regarded as perfectly normal had been criminalized, especially homosexuality.
旁白:金赛感到不安的是,他认为完全正常的性行为被定为犯罪,尤其是同性恋。
John Bancroft : The homosexual communities at that time were, very much under threat.
约翰·班克罗夫特:当时的同性恋群体受到了很大的威胁。
They were very stigmatized.
他们受到了很大的侮辱。
They were very likely to be charged by the police and sent to prison, regarded as pathological.
他们很可能会被警方指控并被送进监狱,被视为病态。
Martin Duberman, Historian : When I was a teenager, I remember looking through an issue of Life Magazine in which uh, they had photographs of typical criminals.
马丁·杜伯曼,历史学家:当我十几岁的时候,我记得浏览过一期《生活》杂志,其中呃,他们有典型罪犯的照片。
And under one which they labeled, "the homosexual," there was the picture of a rather pretty uh, sort of effeminate, white boy.
在他们贴上“同性恋”标签的一张照片下,有一张相当漂亮,呃,有点女性化的白人男孩的照片。
And I looked at that picture and I thought my god, it's a picture of me.
我看着那张照片,我想天哪,这是我的照片。
Uh, and I remember being uh, shocked and horrified for months.
呃,我记得几个月来我一直感到震惊和恐惧。
Uh, it's true, you know I'm a criminal.
呃,这是真的,你知道我是个罪犯。
Narrator : As he left the prison farms Kinsey was deeply upset, in part because of his scientific beliefs and his resentment of arbitrary authority.
旁白:当金赛离开监狱农场时,他深感不安,部分原因是他的科学信仰和对专制权威的不满。
But there was another reason.
但还有另一个原因。
James Jones : I think Kinsey at a very early age began to understand that his sexual identity is complicated and that he is interested in members of the same sex.
詹姆斯·琼斯:我认为金赛在很小的时候就开始明白他的性别身份是复杂的,并且他对同性成员感兴趣。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : One shouldn't call it homosexual because it, the sex was so buried, but it was romantically involved with, with other boys....
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:人们不应该称其为同性恋,因为它,性被如此埋葬,但它与其他男孩有浪漫的关系......
Narrator : Even after falling in love with Clara, Kinsey remained attracted to other men.
旁白:即使在爱上克拉拉之后,金赛仍然被其他男人所吸引。
During gall wasp expeditions, Kinsey had initiated discussions of sex with his graduate students.
在瘿黄蜂探险期间,金赛开始与他的研究生讨论性问题。
One of them in particular caught his attention, a handsome young entymologist named Ralph Voris.
其中一位特别引起了他的注意,他是一位英俊的年轻昆虫学家,名叫拉尔夫·沃里斯。
Man reading Kinsey's words : "My Dear Voris: we shall have a joyous time just the two of us.
读金赛的话的男人:“我亲爱的沃里斯:我们将度过一个只有我们两个人的快乐时光。
I shall reserve a single room for us and then plan on three weeks in the field.
我将为我们预订一间单人间,然后计划在现场度过三周的时间。
Oh we'll have a gabfest".
哦,我们将会有一场闲聊”。
Paul Gebhard : He fell in love with Voris is what it amounts to.
Paul Gebhard:他爱上了沃里斯,这就是事实。
And I'd say from that point on I think his homosexuality became more apparent.
我想说从那时起我认为他的同性恋变得更加明显。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : Certainly his bisexuality as it developed fueled his feelings.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:当然,他的双性恋发展加剧了他的感情。
The more he found out how outrageous the treatment of homosexuals was, the angrier he became and the more determined to, to totally find out what was going on.
他越是发现同性恋者受到的对待是多么令人愤慨,他就越愤怒,也就越决心彻底查明到底发生了什么事。
Narrator : Driven by scientific and personal curiosity, Professor Kinsey set out for Chicago to find and interview gay men in rooming houses and underground bars.
旁白:在科学和个人好奇心的驱使下,金赛教授出发前往芝加哥,在出租屋和地下酒吧寻找并采访男同性恋者。
At first it was slow going.
起初进展缓慢。
Martin Duberman : As soon as any suspicious character presented himself at the door for admittance, there was a bell or some button that the guy watching the door would press.
马丁·杜伯曼:一旦任何可疑人物出现在门口要求进入,看门的人就会按下铃或某个按钮。
And we knew that that was the cue to instantly break apart.
我们知道这是立即分手的暗示。
James Jones : He was so obviously sincere.
詹姆斯·琼斯:他显然很真诚。
He would go into a gay bar and say, I'm Alfred Kinsey and I want to talk with you guys about your private lives.
他会走进一家同性恋酒吧说,我是阿尔弗雷德·金赛,我想和你们谈谈你们的私生活。
I'm a scientist and what you tell me will be important for the public to know.
我是一名科学家,你告诉我的事情对于公众来说很重要。
Kenneth Anger : Kinsey had an amazing ability to put you at ease.
肯尼思·安格:金赛有一种惊人的能力,可以让你放松下来。
He knew how to talk to a street prostitute or a street hustler or a gangster and get, and ...
他知道如何与街头妓女、街头骗子或歹徒交谈并获得……
and somehow break the ice, get along with them.
并以某种方式打破僵局,与他们相处。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : In the first three days he only got two histories.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:前三天他只得到了两份历史记录。
Well then he learned how to do it and the two histories said okay, I'll ask X and Y.
然后他学会了怎么做,两个历史说好吧,我会问 X 和 Y。
And then suddenly this world burst on him, this homosexual underworld, which astonished him.
突然间,这个世界突然向他袭来,这个同性恋的黑社会,让他大吃一惊。
He writes rather guardedly to Voris, saying: 'this is the most extraordinary thing I've ever discovered in my life.
他相当谨慎地写信给沃里斯说:“这是我一生中发现的最非凡的事情。”
Why hasn't anyone found out about it and written about it?'
为什么没有人发现并写下它?
Man reading Kinsey's words : 'My dear Voris, now I can pick up histories five to seven a day.
读金赛的话的人:“亲爱的沃里斯,现在我每天可以学习五到七本历史。
I have been to gay Halloween parties, gay clubs, taverns which would be unbelievable if realized by the rest of the world...
我去过同性恋万圣节派对、同性恋俱乐部、小酒馆,如果世界其他地方也意识到这些,那将是令人难以置信的......
why has no one cracked this before?' It is a scientific gold mine.'
为什么以前没有人破解这个?这是一座科学金矿。”
Narrator "One day," Kinsey promised one young man in Chicago.
旁白 “有一天,”金赛向芝加哥的一位年轻人许诺。
"my research will speak with the combined wisdom of the experience of all of you."
“我的研究将结合你们所有人的经验的综合智慧。”
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : And now the scientist is absolutely overwhelmed, and not only the scientist, because it's then in Chicago that he had sex with men for the first time.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:现在这位科学家绝对不知所措,不仅仅是科学家,因为当时他在芝加哥第一次与男人发生性关系。
So it's not just the scientist catching fire, it's the man.
所以着火的不仅仅是科学家,还有人。
Narrator : Kinsey returned from Chicago flush with excitement.
旁白:金赛从芝加哥回来,兴奋得满脸通红。
The histories he had taken there -- of homosexuals, bisexual married men and hustlers with hundreds of partners -- revealed a range of sexual activity greater than anything he had imagined.
他在那里记录的同性恋者、双性恋已婚男子以及拥有数百个伴侣的骗子的历史,揭示了一系列性活动的范围超出了他的想象。
Chicago had confirmed his long-held belief that the principle of variation he had observed in nature also applied to human sexuality.
芝加哥证实了他长期以来的信念,即他在自然界中观察到的变异原理也适用于人类的性行为。
For the first time, Kinsey began to envision a truly national study, one that would take the sexual pulse of America, document its incredible variety.
金赛第一次开始设想一项真正的全国性研究,一项将了解美国性脉搏、记录其令人难以置信的多样性的研究。
He would need as many as 100,000 sexual histories from men and women, old and young, black and white, rich and poor.
他需要多达 100,000 个男人和女人、老人和年轻人、黑人和白人、富人和穷人的性历史。
Julia Ericksen : Kinsey was trained as an entomologist as an entomologist he wanted to see all the varieties of the gall wasps that he studied.
朱莉娅·埃里克森:金赛接受过昆虫学家培训,作为一名昆虫学家,他想看看他研究的所有瘿蜂品种。
And that was what he was trying to do with human sexual behavior....
这就是他试图对人类性行为做的事情......
By collecting the enormous variety of sexual experiences that everybody had had.
通过收集每个人都有过的各种各样的性经历。
So he wanted to interview every kind of sexual activity and to hear every different kind of story and every different kind of account of sexuality.
因此,他想采访每一种性活动,聆听每一种不同的故事和对性的每一种不同的描述。
Narrator : The goal that Kinsey set for himself would require him to give up nearly everything else in his life: teaching, gall wasps, even time with his family.
旁白:金赛为自己设定的目标要求他放弃生活中的几乎一切:教学、黄蜂,甚至与家人在一起的时间。
Clara had long known the personal costs of her life with Alfred: "I always realized that his work would have to come first, " she once said.
克拉拉很早就知道她和阿尔弗雷德生活的个人代价:“我总是意识到他的工作必须放在第一位,”她曾经说过。
"You can't ask a man to give up what is the driving force of his life because he is your husband.
“你不能因为一个男人是你的丈夫而要求他放弃他生命的驱动力。
But after Chicago, Alfred asked Clara for even more understanding.
但在芝加哥之后,阿尔弗雷德请求克拉拉给予更多的理解。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : One of the things about his marriage was he never hid anything from her, ever.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:他的婚姻的其中一件事是他从来没有向她隐瞒过任何事情。
And they must have had to come to terms with the fact that he wanted to sleep with men.
他们一定不得不接受他想和男人上床的事实。
James Jones : Clara adored her husband and I think she wanted to be close to him and close to his work.
詹姆斯·琼斯:克拉拉崇拜她的丈夫,我认为她想靠近他并靠近他的工作。
It's not a common bond and it doesn't fit the, the garden-variety type of relationship that you see with most heterosexual unions.
这不是一种常见的纽带,也不符合大多数异性恋联盟中常见的那种普通关系。
But that Alfred loved Clara and that Clara loved Alfred I have never doubted.
但阿尔弗雷德爱克拉拉,克拉拉也爱阿尔弗雷德,这一点我从未怀疑过。
Narrator : In December 1942, Kinsey looking for money to fund his research, invited officials of the Rockefeller Foundation to Indiana.
旁白:1942年12月,金赛为了寻找资金资助他的研究,邀请洛克菲勒基金会的官员来到印第安纳州。
They arrived full of skepticism.
他们带着满腹的怀疑来到了这里。
Kinsey's idea of finding 100,000 people willing to talk about sex seemed unrealistic and highly risky.
金赛寻找 10 万人愿意谈论性的想法似乎不切实际且风险极高。
Kinsey set about to change their minds.
金赛开始改变他们的想法。
He showed off his huge gall wasp collection, then sat the Rockefeller men down to one of Clara's home-cooked meals of pot roast served with tea and cinnamon.
他展示了他收集的大量瘿黄蜂,然后让洛克菲勒的人坐下来享用克拉拉的家常菜,炖肉配茶和肉桂。
Finally, he persuaded them to give their own sexual histories.
最后,他说服他们讲述自己的性经历。
James Jones : Once Kinsey had a person in that room, he was enormously persuasive.
詹姆斯·琼斯:一旦金赛在那个房间里有人,他就非常有说服力。
And they see him draw out from them the same thing that he drew out from every person he ever interviewed, which was the truth about their behavior.
他们看到他从他们身上汲取了与他从他采访过的每个人身上汲取的同样的东西,这就是他们行为的真相。
They were in the presence of a scientist, they did see a guy who devised a wonderful instrument for getting at the truth.
他们面前有一位科学家,他们确实看到了一个发明了一种了解真相的奇妙仪器的人。
And it made them true believers.
这使他们成为真正的信徒。
Narrator : The Rockefeller team was convinced: Kinsey was the ideal candidate to helm a large-scale sexual study -- a happily married family man who voted Republican and never appeared without his bow tie.
旁白:洛克菲勒团队深信:金赛是领导一项大规模性研究的理想人选——他是一位婚姻美满、家庭幸福的男人,他投票给共和党,每次出现时都戴着领结。
The Foundation approved a major grant.
基金会批准了一项重大拨款。
Kinsey immediately founded The Institute for Sex Research at Indiana and set about finding a staff of interviewers.
金赛立即在印第安纳州成立了性研究所,并着手寻找采访人员。
He wanted men who -- like himself -- would be conservative in appearance, but liberal-minded about sex.
他想要的男人——像他自己一样——外表保守,但在性方面思想开明。
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Boyle : He looked for people who expressed absolutely no, no qualms about any sort of sexual behavior.
博伊尔:他寻找对任何类型的性行为都绝对不表示任何疑虑的人。
In fact, he wanted people who were not as he said, sex shy.
事实上,他想要的人不像他所说的那样,性害羞。
Narrator : Kinsey put the word out through the academic grapevine.
旁白:金赛通过学术小道消息传出了这个消息。
He was soon put in touch with a young Harvard anthropologist named Paul Gebhard.
很快他就与一位年轻的哈佛大学人类学家保罗·格布哈德取得了联系。
Paul Gebhard : The first time I ever heard about Alfred Kinsey was in Cambridge when one of my professors came up and hesaid "What do you know about the work of Alfred Kinsey?" And I said I haven't heard of him, uh, what did he write?
保罗·格布哈德:我第一次听说阿尔弗雷德·金赛是在剑桥,当时我的一位教授走过来说“你对阿尔弗雷德·金赛的工作了解多少?”我说我没听说过他,呃,他写了什么?
And uh, poised my pencil and he said he hadn't written anything yet.
呃,摆好我的铅笔,他说他还没有写任何东西。
and I said, well what is...what is his subject?
我说,那么……他的主题是什么?
And he said, sex.
他说,性。
And I said, aha, tell me more.
我说,啊哈,告诉我更多。
Narrator : Kinsey also recruited Wardell Pomeroy, a young prison psychologist whom he had met in 1941.
旁白:金赛还招募了沃德尔·波默罗伊(Wardell Pomeroy),他是 1941 年认识的一位年轻的监狱心理学家。
James Jones : I think he found in Wardell Pomeroy a romanticized version of himself.
詹姆斯·琼斯:我认为他在沃德尔·波默罗伊身上找到了浪漫化的自己。
Pomeroy was handsome enough to be a movie star.
波默罗伊英俊得足以成为一名电影明星。
And he was also very interested in sexual contacts.
而且他对性接触也很感兴趣。
Narrator : For the third member of his team, Kinsey had to look no further than his own backyard: Clyde Martin an earnest IU student who did yard work for the Kinsey's on weekends.
旁白:对于他团队中的第三位成员,金赛不得不把目光投向自家后院:克莱德·马丁(Clyde Martin),一位认真的印第安纳大学学生,周末为金赛一家做庭院工作。
The two had first met when martin was a 21-year-old undergraduate and Kinsey took his sexual history.
两人第一次见面时,马丁还是一名 21 岁的大学生,金赛记录了他的性史。
Clyde Martin : It was a very friendly sort of interview and I came away with the idea that masturbation's perfectly okay.
克莱德·马丁:这是一次非常友好的采访,我得出的结论是手淫是完全可以的。
And I recommended people in my rooming house, and they all contributed histories.
我推荐了我宿舍里的人,他们都贡献了历史。
Narrator : This was to be the inner circle: Martin, Pomeroy, Gebhard, and Kinsey.
旁白:这是内圈:马丁、波默罗伊、格布哈德和金赛。
But there was no doubt who was in charge.
但谁是负责人是毫无疑问的。
John Tebbel : When Kinsey organized his staff, it was apparent at once that's what situation was going to be as far as they were concerned.
约翰·泰贝尔(John Tebbel):当金赛组织他的员工时,他们立刻就意识到,这就是他们所关心的情况。
He was the, the ruler of the domain
他是,领域的统治者
Paul Gebhard : He was actually a benevolent despot you might say.
Paul Gebhard:你可能会说他实际上是一个仁慈的暴君。
You didn't call him Alfred or cozy up to him or anything else.
你没有叫他阿尔弗雷德,也没有讨好他或其他什么名字。
And he always referred to me as Gebhard.
他总是称我为格布哈德。
He never called me Paul.
他从来没有叫过我保罗。
Narrator : Kinsey put his team through a grueling process to learn the interview, which had grown to include questions for every conceivable sexual situation.
旁白:金赛让他的团队经历了一个艰苦的过程来学习采访,其中包括针对每一种可以想象的性情况的问题。
Paul Gebhard : It was agonizing.
Paul Gebhard:这真是令人痛苦。
It was like having a perpetual final examination.
这就像一场永久性的期末考试。
And the basic interview was a little over 300 questions, so you had to memorize 300 questions.
而且基础面试有300多个问题,所以你必须记住300个问题。
Narrator : Each question had to be asked in a neutral tone without bias or judgment.
旁白:每个问题都必须以中立的语气提出,没有偏见或判断。
Gebhard : We made it easy for people by assuming they'd done everything.
Gebhard:我们假设人们已经完成了所有事情,从而让他们变得更容易。
We wouldn't say, have you ever?
我们不会说,你有过吗?
Instead we'd say, how old were you the first time.
相反,我们会说,你第一次的时候多大了。
You know it was with the pencil poised you know, as we expected it.
你知道,正如我们所料,铅笔已经准备好了。
And that surprised people but also reassured them.
这让人们感到惊讶,但也让他们放心。
Narrator : Recognizing the need to keep his interviews confidential, Kinsey had devised a complex code to record his subjects' answers.
旁白:金赛认识到需要对采访保密,因此设计了一种复杂的代码来记录受试者的答案。
Paul Gebhard : The code sheets were divided up into a series of rectangles.
Paul Gebhard:代码表被分成一系列矩形。
And the meaning of uh, any symbol or numeral was dependent upon which rectangle it was entered in.
呃,任何符号或数字的含义都取决于它输入的矩形。
For example, anything entered in this column had to do with premarital intercourse.
例如,此栏中输入的任何内容都与婚前性行为有关。
Another column up here would have to do with orgasm in sleep.
这里的另一篇专栏与睡眠中的性高潮有关。
Narrator : Depending on where it was written, 'M' could mean masturbation, marriage, masochism, or Methodist.
旁白:根据不同的写法,“M”可能意味着自慰、婚姻、受虐狂或卫理公会。
By the end of their training, Kinsey's men had become infused with his sense of purpose.
训练结束时,金赛的手下已经充满了他的使命感。
"I knew this was untrodden territory, " recalled Pomeroy.
“我知道这是一片未踏足的领域,”波默罗伊回忆道。
"We were pioneers."
“我们是先驱。”
Paul Gebhard : I felt I was getting in on the ground floor of some research that would be enormously important.
Paul Gebhard:我觉得我正在参与一些非常重要的研究的底层。
Narrator : The team took to the road, crisscrossing the country in search of interviews.
旁白:团队上路,走遍全国寻找采访机会。
Kinsey pushed them hard -- fourteen hour days, six days a week.
金赛对他们要求很高——每天工作十四小时,每周工作六天。
By 1943, they were averaging 300 interviews a month.
到 1943 年,他们平均每月接受 300 次采访。
James Jones : They get on a train, or they get on a plane and then they start taking histories.
詹姆斯·琼斯:他们上了火车,或者上了飞机,然后他们开始记录历史。
And the histories consume the day.
历史消耗了一天的时间。
And you cannot miss a beat in those histories.
你不能错过这些历史中的任何一个节拍。
The level of concentration is fierce.
专注程度非常激烈。
Those spill over into the evenings.
这些活动一直持续到晚上。
After the evenings, do they go home and go to bed?
晚上结束后,他们会回家睡觉吗?
No, no, they go cruise Times Square.
不,不,他们去时代广场巡游。
They're lining up the next group of contact people.
他们正在安排下一组联系人。
Paul Gebhard : We could do an unmarried college student in, easily in an hour.
Paul Gebhard:我们可以在一个小时内轻松地完成一个未婚大学生的任务。
A single married person um, an hour-twenty, maybe an hour.
一个已婚单身人士嗯,一个二十小时,也许一个小时。
But then when you get somebody with two marriages, three marriages, each one of which had to be....
但当你遇到一个拥有两段婚姻、三段婚姻的人时,每段婚姻都必须......
Then we'd looked at our, glance at our watch surreptitiously and say, oh my god, I'm going to run late, I'm going to run....
然后我们偷偷地看看表,说,天啊,我要迟到了,我要跑了……
You know my, my next appointment is coming in in ten minutes; this guy is on his third marriage you know.
你知道,我的下一个约会十分钟后就要到了;你知道,这家伙已经第三次结婚了。
Narrator : But as they pursued interview subjects throughout America, the team faced a problem: how to make sure that they were representative of the entire population.
旁白:但是当他们在美国各地寻找采访对象时,团队遇到了一个问题:如何确保他们能够代表整个人口。
Members of the Rockefeller Foundation had urged Kinsey to consider the emerging field of probability sampling, in which a few randomly chosen individuals would represent the whole country.
洛克菲勒基金会的成员敦促金赛考虑新兴的概率抽样领域,其中随机选择的一些人将代表整个国家。
But Kinsey worried that too many people would refuse to give their histories, leaving a sample of only those most eager to talk about sex.
但金赛担心太多人会拒绝透露自己的历史,只留下那些最渴望谈论性的人。
Edward Laumann, Sex Researcher : You just could not walk up to one in ten people, hit them on the shoulder and say you've been selected to be included in my sex survey.
爱德华·劳曼(Edward Laumann),性研究员:你不可能走上十分之一的人,拍拍他们的肩膀,然后说你已被选中参加我的性调查。
He just simply did not believe that that was something that was likely to be successful.
他只是不相信这会成功。
Narrator : Ever since his gall wasp study, Kinsey had trusted in the power of large numbers to tell an accurate story.
旁白:自从对瘿黄蜂进行研究以来,金赛就相信大数的力量能够讲述准确的故事。
Julia Ericksen : Kinsey thought if he got enough cases, he'd be able to represent everybody and he'd be able to say how often all of these kinds of things occurred in the population...
朱莉娅·埃里克森:金赛认为,如果他有足够的案例,他就能够代表每个人,他就能够说出所有这些事情在人群中发生的频率......
Narrator : To gain access to large numbers, Kinsey hit upon a novel idea: what he called 100% groups.
旁白:为了获得大量数据,金赛想到了一个新奇的想法:他称之为“100% 群体”。
He would interview everyone in a group, while making sure the groups themselves were different: bowling leagues in Kinosha, sewing circles in Syracuse, Fraternities at Indiana university, and even the cast of a streetcar named desire on Broadway.
他会采访一个团体中的每个人,同时确保这些团体本身是不同的:基诺沙的保龄球联盟、锡拉丘兹的缝纫界、印第安纳大学的兄弟会,甚至百老汇一辆名为“欲望”的有轨电车的演员。
Group by group, Kinsey planned to construct a picture of American sexual behavior.
金赛计划逐组构建一幅美国人性行为的图景。
Patricia Franck Sheffield : I saw a notice on the bulletin board in the dormitory, recommending that we volunteer for a research project with a noted scientist named so and so.
帕特里夏·弗兰克·谢菲尔德:我在宿舍的布告栏上看到一则通知,建议我们自愿参加一位名叫某某的著名科学家的研究项目。
He hoped to get 100% participation from the group and so these other gals came raring out to talk us all into being part of the 100%.
他希望团队能够 100% 参与,因此其他女孩们纷纷出来说服我们成为 100% 的一部分。
And the last one that I remember who didn't really want to go in had to be coerced pretty much, because once they told her it was scientific research she went.
我记得最后一位不太想进去的人几乎是被胁迫的,因为一旦他们告诉她这是科学研究,她就去了。
Narrator : By 1946, the team had completed more than 8,500 interviews.
旁白:到 1946 年,团队已经完成了超过 8,500 次采访。
But their quest to collect sex date without outside interference was getting increasingly difficult.
但他们寻求在不受外界干扰的情况下收集性爱日期变得越来越困难。
"It was like living on a submarine sliding through dangerous waters on a difficult mission," one team member remarked.
“这就像生活在一艘潜艇上,在危险的水域中滑行,执行一项艰巨的任务,”一名团队成员说道。
In city after city, Kinsey was denounced by local clergy and attacked in newspaper editorials; once, he was arrested for solicitation as he sought interviews from prostitutes.
在一个又一个城市,金赛遭到当地神职人员的谴责,并在报纸社论中受到攻击。有一次,他因寻求妓女面谈而被捕。
John Gagnon : You couldn't study sex without taking a risk.
约翰·加格农:不冒险就不可能研究性。
To ask people about their sex lives as an interviewer was risky.
作为采访者询问人们的性生活是有风险的。
To go to Times Square to interview hustlers: risky.
去时代广场采访骗子:有风险。
To rent hotel rooms to have people come and talk to you: risky.
租旅馆房间让人来和你说话:有风险。
There was nothing in anything he did that wasn't a risk.
他所做的一切都没有风险。
Narrator : But the team pushed on.
旁白:但是团队继续前进。
What was emerging from their data, they all knew, was a revolutionary picture of American sexual diversity.
他们都知道,从他们的数据中浮现出的是美国性别多样性的革命性图景。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : They all believed in what they were doing.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:他们都相信自己所做的事情。
They regarded it as a crusade.
他们将其视为一场十字军东征。
The ignorance, the anxiety, the pain which had been created by the lack of knowledge must be got rid of.
必须摆脱因缺乏知识而造成的无知、焦虑和痛苦。
John Gagnon : As he went from prisons to gay communities, to just everyday folks, what really I think moved him was the massive amount of ignorance in the society about sexuality.
约翰·加格农:当他从监狱到同性恋社区,再到普通人时,我认为真正令他感动的是社会上对性的巨大无知。
And I think that slowly built sort of the fires of the reformist in him.
我认为这慢慢地点燃了他内心的改良主义之火。
His own response to all the people he dealt with was profoundly compassionate and profoundly generous.
他自己对所有与他打交道的人的反应是非常富有同情心和非常慷慨的。
Narrator : "Dear Doctor Kinsey: I hope you will read this letter I am writing to you because I have a great problem.
旁白:“亲爱的金赛医生:我希望您能阅读我写给您的这封信,因为我有一个很大的问题。
Is it possible for a person to be male and female as the same time?
一个人有可能同时是男性和女性吗?
I am a girl, 20 years old, and I love another girl very much and she also loves me; and I know that that isn't right I am at my wit's end.
我是一个女孩,20岁,我很爱另一个女孩,她也爱我;我知道这是不对的,我已经无计可施了。
Please answer me, sir, please help me.
请回答我,先生,请帮助我。
Man reading Kinsey's words : Dear Madam: Your question is a fair one -- if love is extolled by poets and teachers, then what can be wrong with it in any form that remains fine and real.
读金赛的话的人:亲爱的女士:你的问题是一个公平的问题——如果诗人和老师都歌颂爱情,那么以任何形式保持美好和真实的爱情会有什么问题。
The only answer I can give is that homosexuality happens to be out of fashion in the society thru which you have to move.
我能给出的唯一答案是,同性恋在你必须穿越的社会中恰好已经过时了。
I would give more than you know to see things turn out right for you.
我愿意付出比你想象的更多的东西,让事情变得对你有利。
Dr. Alfred Kinsey
阿尔弗雷德·金赛博士
James Jones : His heart goes out to the people whose experiences are similar to his own, people who had felt conflicted in childhood, people who were made to feel guilty.
詹姆斯·琼斯:他的心与那些与他经历相似的人、那些在童年时感到矛盾的人、那些被迫感到内疚的人表示同情。
And as he comes to understand their pain and suffering, I think his own pain and suffering begin to diminish.
当他开始理解他们的痛苦和苦难时,我认为他自己的痛苦和苦难开始减少。
I think he becomes more and more comfortable with the notion that science will liberate them and science will liberate him.
我认为他越来越接受这样的观念:科学将解放他们,科学也将解放他。
Narrator : Over time, Kinsey had come to believe in a sexual utopia, a world free of the fear and doubt he knew all to well, a world he would help to create.
旁白:随着时间的推移,金赛开始相信一个性乌托邦,一个他熟知的没有恐惧和怀疑的世界,一个他将帮助创造的世界。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : The perfect sexual world, that's simple.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:完美的性世界,就这么简单。
A world without guilt.
一个没有罪恶感的世界。
And he believed that...that without guilt, and without the various pressures society brings to bear, people would lead very much freer sexual lives.
他相信……如果没有罪恶感,没有社会带来的各种压力,人们会过上更加自由的性生活。
That men would have a great many more partners, but that women would as well, and he wanted to bring this into being, and so he encouraged it amongst his, amongst his team.
男人会拥有更多的伴侣,但女人也会有更多的伴侣,他希望实现这一点,所以他在他的团队中鼓励这一点。
Narrator : Kinsey, who had always played a strong role in the lives of his circle, from how they dressed to where they lived, now pushed into their sexual lives as well.
旁白:金赛一直在他的圈子的生活中发挥着重要作用,从他们的着装到居住地点,现在也介入了他们的性生活。
Paul Gebhard : I felt a certain amount of pressure and so I tried homosexuality and it didn't work, it just wasn't my cup of tea.
Paul Gebhard:我感受到了一定的压力,所以我尝试了同性恋,但没有成功,这不是我喜欢的。
And uh, I was always impotent and humiliated, so I finally said, Kinsey you know I said, Prok, to hell with this, it's not, it's certainly not doing me any good and I'm sure it, it doesn't...it doesn't make my tentative partners very happy either, so.....
呃,我总是无能为力,受到羞辱,所以我最后说,金赛,你知道我说过,普罗克,见鬼去吧,这不是,这肯定对我没有任何好处,我确信,它没有……它也不会让我的临时伴侣很高兴,所以......
No, so then he, he stopped, he said, okay.
不,所以然后他,他停了下来,他说,好吧。
You know he, you tried.
你知道他,你试过了。
Narrator : Kinsey himself slept with Pomeroy and several of the wives, and then seduced Martin, nearly thirty years his junior.
旁白:金赛本人与波默罗伊和几个妻子上床,然后勾引了比他小近三十岁的马丁。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : Clive Martin did surprise Kinsey, after about a year.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:大约一年后,克莱夫·马丁确实让金西感到惊讶。
I have a feeling it was to sort of put Kinsey off.
我有一种感觉,这有点让金赛望而却步。
He said to Kinsey what would Mack say if, if I, if I asked if she'd sleep with me?
他对金赛说,如果我问她是否愿意和我睡觉,麦克会怎么说?
And Kinsey was absolutely astonished.
金赛非常惊讶。
However he asked her and Mack was delighted.
但他问了她,麦克很高兴。
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博伊尔:她被他的热情所感染。
This was his obsession.
这是他的痴迷。
It became her obsession too.
这也成为了她的痴迷。
But I wonder about the emotional valence between them, if there is jealousy.
但我想知道他们之间的情感效价是否存在嫉妒。
If, if notions of love and romance can be totally separated from the mechanical act of sex, the hormonal act of sex as Kinsey would suggest it can be.
如果爱情和浪漫的概念可以与机械的性行为完全分离,那么金赛认为荷尔蒙性的行为也可以做到这一点。
And so I do believe that Clara, despite her protestations to the contrary, became lonely.
因此,我确实相信,尽管克拉拉提出了相反的抗议,但她确实变得孤独了。
Narrator : Clara wouldn't be the only one wounded by Kinsey's vision of sex disengaged from love.
旁白:克拉拉并不是唯一一个因金赛的性脱离爱情的观点而受伤的人。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : Shortly after Gebhard arrived, he began to have an affair with Clyde Martin's wife, Alice, and very quickly, Alice began to fall in love with Gebhard.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:格布哈德到达后不久,他就开始与克莱德·马丁的妻子爱丽丝有染,很快,爱丽丝开始爱上格布哈德。
Paul Gebhard : It started to develop into a, a stronger attachment.
Paul Gebhard:它开始发展成为一种更强烈的依恋。
And uh, enough so that when this came to Kinsey's attention he, he drew me aside and said, you know this is, you're damaging Martin's marriage and we can't have this and I want you to stop right now, no more, so I did.
呃,足够了,当这引起金赛的注意时,他把我拉到一边说,你知道,你正在损害马丁的婚姻,我们不能再这样了,我希望你现在就停下来,不要再这样了,所以我这么做了。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : Alice Martin never forgave Kinsey.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:爱丽丝·马丁从未原谅金赛。
She never forgave Kinsey for stopping her love affair.
她从未原谅金赛阻止她的恋情。
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Boyle : I do feel ultimately that there is a spiritual element that Kinsey is disregarding.
博伊尔:我确实觉得金赛最终忽视了一种精神因素。
And that perhaps his behavior with his inner circle, with his wife, with the wives of - of his fellow researchers might have been harmful in ways that he wouldn't admit.
也许他与他的核心圈子、与他的妻子、与他的研究同事的妻子的行为可能以他不承认的方式有害。
Or didn't want to know about: harmful emotionally.
或者不想知道:对情感有害。
Narrator : "The present volume is a progress report from a case history study on human sex behavior...", "this study will fill a gap in our knowledge", "14 percent of males have had contact ...", "26%", "94%, "these histories represent scientific fact divorced from social customs..." By the summer of 1947 Kinsey had begun writing the first in a planned series of nine volumes on human sexuality.
旁白:“本卷是人类性行为案例历史研究的进展报告……”、“这项研究将填补我们知识的空白”、“14%的男性有过性接触……”、“26%”、“94%、“这些历史代表了脱离社会习俗的科学事实……”到 1947 年夏天,金赛开始撰写关于人类性行为的计划系列九卷中的第一卷。
It would focus on men.
它将重点关注男性。
His team crunched the numbers from more than ten thousand interviews.
他的团队对一万多次采访中的数据进行了分析。
Paul Gebhard oversaw the analysis while Clyde Martin hand-drew dozens of charts.
保罗·格布哈德 (Paul Gebhard) 负责监督分析,而克莱德·马丁 (Clyde Martin) 则手绘了数十张图表。
The results that began to emerge were striking.
开始出现的结果是惊人的。
Men reached their sexual peak at the age of 19.
男性在19岁时达到性高峰。
68 percent of males had had sex with a prostitute.
68%的男性曾与妓女发生过性关系。
37 percent of males had had at least one homosexual encounter.
37% 的男性至少有过一次同性恋经历。
Kinsey drove himself harder than ever, working deep into the night.
金赛比以往任何时候都更加努力,工作到深夜。
When he finally delivered the manuscript that Fall, it topped out at more than 700 pages.
那年秋天,当他最终交付手稿时,手稿的长度达到了 700 多页。
Paul Gebhard : He came to me and said Gebhard, publishers are asking how many they should print and what do you think how many?
保罗·格布哈德:他来找我,对格布哈德说,出版商正在询问他们应该印刷多少本,您认为应该印刷多少本?
And I said, well it's I think all the universities will probably want a copy, another, a library.
我说,我想所有的大学都可能想要一本,另一个,一个图书馆。
And I think there are a great many physicians that will want it.
我认为有很多医生会想要它。
I said, I think they should print five thousand.
我说,我认为他们应该印五千张。
And Kinsey said, nonsense, Gebhard, nonsense.
金赛说,胡说,格布哈德,胡说。
They should print at least twenty thousand.
他们应该至少印两万张。
Narrator : On January 5, 1948 Sexual Behavior in the Human Male was released.
旁白:1948 年 1 月 5 日,《人类男性的性行为》发布。
Within several months, more than 200,000 people bought a copy.
几个月之内,就有超过 20 万人购买了一本。
It was not only the best-selling book of that year, but the biggest science book ever.
它不仅是当年最畅销的书,而且是有史以来最大的科学书。
Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy : It was compared to an atom bomb.
乔纳森·加索恩-哈迪:它被比作原子弹。
Every magazine, every newspaper, carried banner headlines, huge reports.
每本杂志、每份报纸都刊登了横幅标题和巨幅报道。
And the effect was extraordinary.
效果非同寻常。
Narrator : What soon became known as "The Kinsey Report" spawned scores of cartoons and popular songs.
旁白:很快被称为“金赛报告”的内容催生了数十部漫画和流行歌曲。
Miriam Hecht, Kinsey Associate : Are you kidding?
Miriam Hecht,金赛助理:你在开玩笑吗?
Kinsey's name became a byword.
金赛的名字成了一个代名词。
There would be gags about him on the radio.
广播里会有关于他的笑话。
Everybody knew about Kinsey
每个人都知道金赛
Anger : It was kind of like a hula-hoop or something, it was the fad.
愤怒:有点像呼拉圈之类的东西,这是一种时尚。
Suddenly you could talk about sex because Kinsey had.
突然间你可以谈论性了,因为金赛已经这么做了。
Jones : In boardrooms, in barbershops, at the ballpark, people standing on the corner, they talk about Alfred Kinsey's data, what does it mean, are we to believe it?
琼斯:在董事会会议室、理发店、球场,人们站在街角,他们谈论阿尔弗雷德·金赛的数据,这意味着什么,我们应该相信吗?
What do these numbers tell us?
这些数字告诉我们什么?
And how can this image be so at odds with what we're taught?
这个形象怎么会与我们所学到的如此不一致呢?
Narrator : For the first time, Americans had been confronted with their own sexual behavior, and it appeared to be far more varied than anyone thought possible.
旁白:美国人第一次面对自己的性行为,而且这种行为似乎比任何人想象的都要多样化。
Jones : Ninety percent of all men masturbate.
琼斯:百分之九十的男人都会手淫。
More than 50 percent of men have had extramarital affairs more than 50 percent of men have had premarital affairs.
超过50%的男性有过婚外情 超过50%的男性有过婚前婚外情。
Suddenly the conspiracy of silence is shattered in a society that had been tapped down, and really things will never be the same again.
突然之间,沉默的阴谋在一个被摧毁的社会中被粉碎,一切都将永远不会再像以前一样了。
Gagnon : This is about America.
加格农:这是关于美国的。
And I think that's what caused the huge reaction, it was suddenly someone had said, here is the American sex report card and this is what it looks like.
我认为这就是引起巨大反应的原因,突然有人说,这是美国性报告卡,这就是它的样子。
Narrator : Implicit in Kinsey's report was a controversial but simple principle: when it came to sexual behavior, there was no good or bad, normal or abnormal.
旁白:金赛的报告中隐含着一个有争议但简单的原则:性行为没有好坏之分,没有正常或异常之分。
Even more revolutionary, the book argued that human sexuality didn't fit into neat categories.
更具革命性的是,该书认为人类的性行为不适合简单的分类。
Instead Kinsey argued for a sliding scale from zero to six to reflect the many shades of sexual behavior.
相反,金赛主张采用从零到六的滑动尺度来反映性行为的多种变化。
Ericksen : There were people who practiced exclusive heterosexuality and there were people who practiced exclusive homosexuality but most people were somewhere in between.
埃里克森:有些人实行纯粹的异性恋,有些人实行纯粹的同性恋,但大多数人介于两者之间。
He actually thought if society wasn't so repressive, probably everybody would have been somewhere in between.
他实际上认为,如果社会不那么压抑,可能每个人都会处于两者之间。
Duberman : We're talking about a body of theory that stresses the fluidity of human sexual desire.
杜伯曼:我们正在谈论强调人类性欲的流动性的理论体系。
He said that all these categories that culture has invented like homosexual or heterosexual that these are inventions of the human mind they're not the products of nature.
他说,文化发明的所有这些类别,例如同性恋或异性恋,都是人类思想的发明,而不是自然的产物。
Narrator : Kinsey's scale was part of his larger argument that society accept the full range of human sexuality.
旁白:金赛的量表是他更大论点的一部分,即社会接受人类的全部性行为。
Hardy : What he did you see; he lifted a huge weight of guilt, anxiety and worry.
哈代:你看到了什么?他卸下了沉重的愧疚、焦虑和担忧。
To be told that it's perfectly normal to sleep with another man if you're a man, its perfectly normal to want to sleep with another woman if you're a woman, this made a huge difference.
如果你是男人,和另一个男人睡觉是完全正常的,如果你是女人,想和另一个女人睡觉是完全正常的,这产生了巨大的差异。
People suddenly felt all right.
人们顿时感觉一切都好起来。
I'm all right.
我没事。
I'm not this creature I thought I was.
我不是我以为的那个生物。
Narrator : At first, reaction to the Kinsey Report was overwhelmingly positive.
旁白:起初,人们对金赛报告的反应非常积极。
"The book is a triumph of sanity and reason," declared the New Republic.
《新共和》宣称:“这本书是理智和理性的胜利。”
Good Housekeeping gave the book it's seal of approval and called it, 'the most important report of its kind ever attempted." Kinsey spoke at packed auditoriums across the country.
《好管家》对该书给予了认可,并称其为“有史以来同类报告中最重要的报告”。金赛在全国各地拥挤的礼堂发表讲话。
At Berkley, 9,000 college students crowded into a hall made for half that many.
在伯克利,9000 名大学生挤在一个只有一半人数的大厅里。
Hardy : Kinsey became a famous man.
哈代:金赛成了名人。
He was recognized everywhere.
他到处都被认出来了。
He was asked to talk everywhere.
他被要求到处演讲。
He liked being famous you know he enjoyed it.
他喜欢出名,你知道他很享受。
He liked coming into the room and heads turning.
他喜欢走进房间并转过头。
He liked being the person who had been invited as the top guest.
他喜欢成为被邀请作为顶级嘉宾的人。
And finally, people, the world beat a path to his door
最后,人们、全世界都向他敞开了大门
Narrator : But what the world did not yet know was that there were serious flaws in Kinsey's methodology, flaws that would come back to haunt him.
旁白:但世人还不知道金赛的方法论存在严重缺陷,这些缺陷会反过来困扰他。
Buried deep in the male volume, in four small tables, was the most contentious data in all his work.
在他的所有作品中,最有争议的数据深埋在男性卷的四张小表格中。
Bancroft : Tables 31 to 34 are about orgasms in pre-pubital boys.
Bancroft:表 31 至 34 是关于青春期前男孩的性高潮。
And they describe how many of the boys experienced orgasm, boys, young boys having repeated orgasm.
他们描述了有多少男孩经历过性高潮,男孩,年轻男孩重复性高潮。
Uh, it's not entirely clear from reading the book where this comes from.
呃,从书上看,还不太清楚这是从哪里来的。
Narrator : In fact, Kinsey had drawn nearly all of the material from the diaries of one person.
旁白:事实上,金赛几乎所有的材料都取自一个人的日记。
In 1945, he had heard of a man with an astonishing, if perverse, sexual history.
1945 年,他听说一名男子有着令人震惊、甚至反常的性史。
Intrigued, he went to meet 63-year-old Rex King.
出于好奇,他去见了 63 岁的雷克斯·金 (Rex King)。
Hardy : He had a family tree of thirty-six and he'd slept with seventeen of them.
哈代:他有三十六个家谱,他和其中十七个上过床。
His grandmother introduced him to heterosexual intercourse, his father to homosexual intercourse, he'd slept with quite literally countless men and women.
他的祖母向他介绍了异性性交,他的父亲向他介绍了同性恋,他确实和无数的男人和女人睡过。
Narrator : King claimed to have molested several hundred children, most of them Mexican migrants living nearby.
旁白:金声称猥亵了数百名儿童,其中大多数是住在附近的墨西哥移民。
He'd recorded detailed descriptions of his crimes in several cramped notebooks, which he handed over to Kinsey.
他在几本狭小的笔记本上详细记录了自己的罪行,然后将其交给了金赛。
The notebooks, Kinsey believed, were a unique record of the sexual responsiveness of children.
金赛认为,这些笔记本是儿童性反应的独特记录。
He decided to use them in the study.
他决定在研究中使用它们。
But even some of his own team were dead set against it.
但就连他自己的团队中的一些人也坚决反对。
"To get data," Pomeroy said later, "Kinsey would have made a deal with the devil."
“为了获得数据,”波默罗伊后来说,“金赛会与魔鬼做一笔交易。”
Boyle : There is no moralizing in what he's doing.
博伊尔:他所做的事情并没有任何说教的成分。
And perhaps one of his pitfalls is that at some point with sexual behavior, there should be some kind of moral restraints.
也许他的陷阱之一是,在某些时候,性行为应该受到某种道德约束。
That is especially with regard to pedophilia.
尤其是在恋童癖方面。
Gebhard : We figured this data is valuable data.
Gebhard:我们认为这些数据是有价值的数据。
Now just because the guy is a pedophile and it's illegal activity, you don't throw away valuable data.
现在,仅仅因为这个人是恋童癖并且这是非法活动,您就不会丢弃有价值的数据。
Of course now all the ethicists say we should have turned him in, nonsense.
当然,现在所有的伦理学家都说我们应该举报他,这是胡说八道。
If we had turned anybody in, that would have been the end of the research.
如果我们举报了任何人,那么研究就结束了。
So we protected uh, him just like we protected everybody else.
所以我们保护呃,他就像保护其他人一样。
Narrator : The existence of Rex King remained a well-guarded secret for many years, but a number of critics found plenty else to take issue with.
旁白:雷克斯·金的存在多年来一直是一个严密保守的秘密,但许多评论家发现了很多其他值得质疑的地方。
Eminent figures like Lionel Trilling and Margaret Mead criticized Kinsey for failing to take into account the complexities of culture or the role of love.
莱昂内尔·特里林(Lionel Trilling)和玛格丽特·米德(Margaret Mead)等知名人士批评金赛没有考虑到文化的复杂性或爱的作用。
The criticism that stung Kinsey most came from fellow scientists, who focused on the accuracy of his sample.
最令金赛刺痛的批评来自其他科学家,他们关注的是他的样本的准确性。
He had planned to overcome the problem of selective sampling by getting as many different groups as he could.
他计划通过尽可能多地获取不同的群体来克服选择性抽样的问题。
But in the end, he found only certain groups willing to cooperate.
但最终,他发现只有某些团体愿意合作。
Laumann : The problem is that you know the kinds of organizations he was likely to be invited to, or would invite him to do it, he was obviously not going to be invited to talk at the Pentecostal Church group, and those folks are missing.
劳曼:问题是你知道他可能会被邀请参加或会邀请他参加的组织类型,他显然不会被邀请在五旬节教会团体中演讲,而那些人却失踪了。
Narrator : There were charges that Kinsey had allowed his personal interests to creep into his sample.
旁白:有人指控金赛允许他的个人利益渗透到他的样本中。
He'd relied too much on college students at the expense of the working class, too much on Whites at the expense of Blacks, too much on the sexually marginalized at the expense of the mainstream.
他过多地依赖大学生而忽视了工人阶级,过多地依赖白人而忽视了黑人,过多地依赖于性别边缘群体而忽视了主流。
Gagnon : When he ran the numbers I think he might have had a slight taste for the shock.
Gagnon:当他计算这些数字时,我认为他可能有点震惊。
Gee, the world really isn't the way those people think it is, it's really this way, cause I've been out there in the world and it is this way.
哎呀,世界真的不是那些人想象的那样,它真的是这样的,因为我去过这个世界,它就是这样的。
Ericksen : I don't think there's any doubt that Kinsey overestimated the frequency of sexual variety in America.
埃里克森:我认为毫无疑问金赛高估了美国性多样性的频率。
I don't think he overestimated that, those that variety existed.
我不认为他高估了这一点,那些多样性的存在。
Laumann : He was able to demonstrate that ordinary, every day types of persons were doing a hell of a lot of things, and it was that characterization of the richness and diversity of human sexuality that was crucial.
劳曼:他能够证明,普通人每天都在做很多事情,而对人类性行为的丰富性和多样性的描述至关重要。
Narrator : As debates over Kinsey's methodology spread, the Rockefeller Foundation became concerned.
旁白:随着关于金赛方法论的争论不断蔓延,洛克菲勒基金会开始担心。
It dispatched three world-renowned statisticians to Bloomington.
它派遣了三位世界知名的统计学家前往布卢明顿。
Ericksen : Cochran, Mostello and Tukey, these were all men who had spent their life doing statistics you know.
埃里克森:科克伦、莫斯特洛和图基,你知道,这些人一生都在从事统计工作。
And they, they...had never done sex research before.
他们,他们……以前从未做过性研究。
In fact John Tukey told me that they used to rouse one another out of their hotel bed by saying, sex is calling.
事实上,约翰·图基告诉我,他们过去常常通过说“性在召唤”来把彼此从酒店的床上吵醒。
Kinsey thought they weren't very serious because they would sing Gilbert and Sullivan as they were sitting around the table, going through the tables.
金赛认为他们不是很认真,因为他们会围着桌子坐着,翻桌子,唱吉尔伯特和沙利文。
I also think they made Kinsey feel unbelievably defensive.
我还认为他们让金赛感到难以置信的防御性。
Narrator : The two teams, Kinsey's on one side, Rockefeller's on the other, met for 12 tense hours.
旁白:这两支队伍,一边是金赛的,一边是洛克菲勒的,紧张地对峙了12个小时。
The Rockefeller men argued that Kinsey should change course and pursue a small random sample of individuals.
洛克菲勒人认为金赛应该改变方针,追求一小部分随机样本。
Kinsey refused, stubbornly insisting that, in sex research, only a large number of interviews would work.
金赛拒绝了,并固执地坚持认为,在性研究中,只有大量访谈才能发挥作用。
The meeting broke up without resolution.
会议无果而终。
The statisticians returned to New York to write a report for the Foundation.
统计学家返回纽约为基金会撰写报告。
Undaunted, Kinsey pursued his study exactly as he wanted.
金赛毫不畏惧,按照自己的意愿继续学习。
He was soon exploring an even more unconventional methodology: filming sex acts between his staff and invited guests.
他很快就探索了一种更加非传统的方法:拍摄员工和受邀客人之间的性行为。
Kinsey Daughters : One time we came down to Indianapolis, we were looking for a dog and I called, and I guess mother said, well you can't come.
金赛女儿们:有一次我们来到印第安纳波利斯,我们正在寻找一只狗,我打电话给我,我猜妈妈说,好吧,你不能来。
And we all did know that the staff was trying to understand the physiology involved in sex.
我们都知道工作人员正在努力了解性的生理学。
They would work on some of those things with the staff as the guinea pigs so to speak.
可以说,他们会与员工一起做一些事情,就像小白鼠一样。
Hardy : The photographer would fix up the lights so that the, the people being filmed or the person being filmed were in a sort of cone of light, so they couldn't see the, the observing...
哈迪:摄影师会调整灯光,使被拍摄的人或被拍摄的人处于某种光锥中,这样他们就看不到观察者……
And there they'd be, Kinsey sitting, taking notes, the cameras whirring.
他们就在那里,金赛坐着,记笔记,相机嗡嗡作响。
Anger : On one of my trips to Bloomington, Kinsey asked if Bill could photograph me masturbating and I said, well I have no objection, I mean.
愤怒:在我去布卢明顿的一次旅行中,金赛问比尔是否可以拍摄我自慰的照片,我说,好吧,我的意思是,我不反对。
And I said, well what, what's your interest in it?
我说,好吧,你对它有什么兴趣?
He made sort of a joke about it, he said, well some people curl their toes and some people don't.
他对此开了个玩笑,他说,有些人会卷起脚趾,有些人则不会。
...And I said, you know...uh, we'll find out whether you're a toe curler or not.
...我说,你知道...呃,我们会看看你是否是一个脚趾卷曲者。
Narrator : Kinsey told his staff that by observing sex directly he could address riddles left unsolved by his interviews.
旁白:金赛告诉他的工作人员,通过直接观察性行为,他可以解决采访中未解开的谜团。
He was especially interested in women, the subject of his next book.
他对女性特别感兴趣,这是他下一本书的主题。
What kinds of sexual behavior did women engage in?
女性有哪些类型的性行为?
Why did some achieve orgasms, while others didn't?
为什么有些人达到了性高潮,而另一些人却没有?
How did women become aroused?
女人是如何变得性唤起的?
To help answer these questions, Kinsey enlisted Wardell Pomeroy.
为了帮助回答这些问题,金赛聘请了沃德尔·波默罗伊。
Hardy : He could use Pomeroy as a sort of sexual missile, which he could fire as, as it were at people he wanted to film.
哈迪:他可以将波默罗伊用作一种性导弹,他可以向他想要拍摄的人发射这种导弹。
Particularly, he was very, very interested in very, very responsive women who had multiple orgasms.
特别是,他对具有多次高潮的非常非常敏感的女性非常非常感兴趣。
And Pomeroy was of inestimable value in demonstrating this, so Kinsey could watch and take notes.
波默罗伊在证明这一点方面具有不可估量的价值,因此金赛可以观看并做笔记。
Narrator : A frequent film subject was Kinsey's own wife.
旁白:一个常见的电影主题是金赛自己的妻子。
When Clara wasn't appearing on camera herself, she helped make others comfortable.
当克拉拉自己没有出现在镜头前时,她会帮助其他人感到舒服。
Gebhard : She used to uh, just astound some of the people that were there, here, these guys would be sitting around, some of them nude or something, the door would open and she'd come in, 'I thought you'd like some ice cream and vanilla pudding, you know what I'm saying, hand out food.
格布哈德:她过去常常,呃,只是让那里的一些人感到惊讶,这里,这些人会坐在周围,其中一些是裸体的什么的,门会打开,她进来,‘我以为你想要一些冰淇淋和香草布丁,你知道我在说什么,分发食物。
They were really dumbfounded.
他们实在是傻眼了。
Jones : She is not going to be left out, she's not going to be excluded.
琼斯:她不会被排除在外,她不会被排除在外。
If she has to serve milk and cookies in her house in something that's not a tea party, it's still her house, it's still the work that she supports and she's going to be part of it.
如果她必须在茶会以外的活动中在家里提供牛奶和饼干,那仍然是她的家,这仍然是她支持的工作,她将成为其中的一部分。
Narrator : For more than two years, Kinsey managed to film sexual acts -- and keep it a closely guarded secret.
旁白:两年多来,金赛成功地拍摄了性行为,并严格保守秘密。
By 1953, having poured over hundreds of hours of footage and nearly 18,000 interviews, he began writing the female report, the much-anticipated follow-up to the male volume.
到 1953 年,在投入了数百小时的镜头和近 18,000 次采访后,他开始撰写女性报告,这是备受期待的男性报告的后续作品。
As publication neared, he became even more secretive insisting that trash cans at the Institute be numbered and checked, doors triple locked, drafts of the book kept in a safe.
随着出版的临近,他变得更加神秘,坚持要求对研究所的垃圾桶进行编号和检查,将门三重锁上,将书的草稿保存在保险箱中。
Taking on women's sexuality, Kinsey knew, was far more explosive than reporting on men.
金赛知道,报道女性的性行为比报道男性的性行为更具爆炸性。
Ginott : Women, they were sacred.
吉诺特:女人,她们是神圣的。
Women didn't have any sexual needs, they didn't have any sexual appetites, God put them on earth to satisfy male sexual needs.
女人没有任何性需求,她们没有任何性欲,上帝把她们放在地上是为了满足男性的性需求。
Narrator : For many American women, sex was a source of anxiety, even shame.
旁白:对于许多美国女性来说,性是焦虑甚至羞耻的根源。
Woman, SOT : I never talked about sex to any of my friends.
女人,SOT:我从来没有和我的任何朋友谈论过性。
So by the time that I married my husband I was full of recrimination self-recrimination and guilt and shame and felt very isolated.
所以当我嫁给我丈夫的时候,我心里充满了自责、内疚和羞耻,感到非常孤立。
Sheffield : I think women failed to have any pleasure in it, possibly no orgasm or just it was badly done, one way or the other, thought it was their own fault.
谢菲尔德:我认为女性无法从中获得任何乐趣,可能没有高潮,或者只是做得不好,无论哪种方式,都认为这是她们自己的错。
Narrator : But Kinsey believed that the female sex drive had merely been suppressed by society.
旁白:但金赛认为,女性的性欲只是被社会压制了。
His data had revealed that 66% of women dreamed of sex, 62% had masturbated, 14% had multiple orgasms.
他的数据显示,66% 的女性梦想过性生活,62% 的女性曾自慰过,14% 的女性有过多次性高潮。
Whereas men's sexual appetite peaked in their teens, women's continued to strengthen into their 30's.
男性的性欲在青少年时期达到顶峰,而女性的性欲在 30 多岁时继续增强。
Many in society feared that if women explored their sexuality, it would threaten the cohesion of the family.
社会上许多人担心,如果女性探索自己的性取向,就会威胁到家庭的凝聚力。
Kinsey countered with another bold argument: A woman's sexual freedom didn't threaten her marriage, it strengthened it.
金赛用另一个大胆的论点反驳道:女性的性自由并没有威胁到她的婚姻,反而加强了婚姻。
Ericksen : He talks about how many women have had sex before marriage and gone on to have normal marriages.
埃里克森:他谈到有多少女性在婚前发生过性行为,并继续拥有正常的婚姻。
In fact he actually suggests and really says women who've had orgasm before marriage are much more likely to have orgasmic marriages then to have satisfactory sex lives within marriage.
事实上,他实际上建议并且确实说过,婚前达到性高潮的女性更有可能拥有性高潮婚姻,然后在婚内拥有令人满意的性生活。
That's pretty revolutionary for 1953.
这对于 1953 年来说是相当革命性的。
Narrator : On August 20, 1953, what the press dubbed "K-day," the female volume finally came out.
旁白:1953年8月20日,被媒体称为“K日”的女卷终于问世了。
Many women hailed it as long past due.
许多女性称赞它早已过期。
Male Interviewer : "Have you formed any opinions about the Kinsey Report?
男采访者:“您对金赛报告有什么看法吗?
I think it's a good thing.
我认为这是一件好事。
I think the more you know about anything the better you can do it and the better you can do it the more successful you are, irrespective of what it is." But there were many more Americans for whom Kinsey's theories and supporting data proved to be deeply offensive.
我认为你对任何事情了解得越多,你就能做得越好,你做得越好,你就越成功,无论它是什么。”但对更多的美国人来说,金赛的理论和支持数据被证明是非常令人反感的。
Woman : I wouldn't like to read the book, no.
女:我不想读这本书,不。
Reporter : You would not like to read it Do you approve or disapprove?
记者:你不想看,你赞成还是不赞成?
Hardy : There was a huge upsurge of popular anger.
哈代:民众的愤怒情绪高涨。
Not critical, magazine anger at first.
不批评,杂志一开始就愤怒。
It was people.
是人。
Man #2 : I don't think any decent woman would give a man her opinions on such a matter.
男人#2:我认为任何正派的女人都不会在这种事情上向男人表达自己的意见。
I know my sister wouldn't, I'm quite sure my mother wouldn't.
我知道我姐姐不会,我很确定我妈妈不会。
Hardy : They simply couldn't believe it.
哈代:他们简直不敢相信。
American womanhood masturbating?
美国女性自慰?
American womanhood sleeping with each other?
美国女性互相睡觉?
This isn't true.
这不是真的。
This isn't what women are like.
这不是女人该有的样子。
He's been seeing...I mean what has he been seeing.
他一直在看到……我的意思是他看到了什么。
These are lies.
这些都是谎言。
Ginott : So suddenly here comes a man who says, hey, wait a second, women do have sexual needs, they do have sexual appetites.
吉诺特:突然有个男人说,嘿,等一下,女人确实有性需求,她们确实有性欲。
And of course, then was a tremendous, my sister, my wife, a tremendous uproar.
当然,接下来是一场巨大的骚动,我的姐姐,我的妻子。
Voice reading Billy Graham : Doctor Kinsey's one-sided report is an indictment against American womanhood.
语音朗读比利·格雷厄姆:金赛博士片面的报告是对美国女性的控诉。
It will cause children to doubt the fidelity of their parents and will lead to various types of moral abuses.
这会让孩子怀疑父母的忠诚,并导致各种道德虐待。
Narrator : Kinsey reacted to the criticism with defiance.
旁白:金赛对这些批评做出了蔑视的反应。
"The scientist who observes and describes...reality is attacked as an enemy of...faith," he declared.
“观察和描述……现实的科学家被视为……信仰的敌人,”他宣称。
"We should be able to discover more intelligent ways of protecting social interests without doing such irreparable damage to so many individuals." But the backlash only strengthened.
“我们应该能够找到更明智的方法来保护社会利益,而不会对这么多人造成不可挽回的损害。”但强烈反对的声音只会愈演愈烈。
Hardy : The female report is made complicated by the moment at which it came out.
哈代:女性报告发布的那一刻就变得复杂了。
It came out in 1953, the war was over, and the Cold War had begun.
它于 1953 年出版,战争结束,冷战开始。
And one of the manifestations was the McCarthy episode.
其中的表现之一就是麦卡锡事件。
Man : Are you a member of the Communist Party?
男:你是共产党员吗?
Narrator : Senator Joe McCarthy had begun to hold hearings into the Communist infiltration of American institutions, including the big National foundations.
旁白:参议员乔·麦卡锡已经开始就共产党渗透美国机构(包括大型国家基金会)举行听证会。
One by one, the heads of Carnegie, Rand, and Ford were hauled before a house investigating committee to justify their grants.
卡内基、兰德和福特的负责人一一被带到众议院调查委员会面前,以证明他们的资助是合理的。
Gebhard : When the Rockefellers' turn came up to be grilled, they used the Kinsey Institute as a club to bludgeon them...publishing our findings...were weakening the American family, destroying American morality and in general making it much easier for a Communist takeover.
格布哈德:轮到洛克菲勒家族接受盘问时,他们利用金赛研究所作为棍棒来殴打他们……公布我们的调查结果……削弱了美国家庭,破坏了美国人的道德,总体上让共产党更容易接管。
And boy, and that was the kiss of death.
男孩,那就是死亡之吻。
Narrator : Adding fuel to the fire, the Rockefeller statistical team finally issued their report, two years after visiting Bloomington.
旁白:火上浇油,洛克菲勒统计团队在访问布卢明顿两年后终于发布了他们的报告。
Despite their admiration for Kinsey's efforts, they concluded that he had made serious errors in his sampling.
尽管他们钦佩金赛的努力,但他们得出的结论是,他在抽样中犯了严重错误。
Erickson : John Tukey, actually said to Kinsey that he would have, he would prefer a sample of, a probability sample of 400 to Kinsey's 18,000 interviews.
埃里克森:约翰·图基实际上对金赛说,他宁愿选择 400 个概率样本,也不愿接受金赛的 18,000 次访谈。
Kinsey never forgave him for that.
金赛为此从未原谅他。
Narrator : In 1954, the Rockefeller Foundation pulled the plug on Kinsey's funding.
旁白:1954 年,洛克菲勒基金会终止了对金赛的资助。
Kinsey sunk into a deep depression.
金赛陷入了深深的沮丧之中。
He scrambled to find money where he could, without success.
他竭尽全力寻找资金,但没有成功。
Tebbel : He seemed like a different man.
特贝尔:他看起来像是变了一个人。
He was doing something he so obviously hated to do and you could see it in his eyes, if you knew him.
他正在做一些他显然讨厌做的事情,如果你认识他的话,你可以从他的眼睛里看到这一点。
You could see in his face this terrible stress he was under; he was really aging before your eyes.
从他的脸上你可以看出他承受着多么可怕的压力。他真的在你眼前变老了。
Narrator : Faced with the collapse of his study, Kinsey spent more time alone, and took his private sexual exploration into darker territory.
旁白:面对研究的崩溃,金赛花了更多的时间独处,并将他私人的性探索带入了更黑暗的领域。
Hardy : One of the things he explored was the conjunction between pain and sex.
哈代:他探索的事情之一是疼痛和性之间的联系。
He gradually over the years built up a very close conjunction personally.
多年来,他逐渐建立了非常密切的个人联系。
Kinsey found as time passes you can't really have the pleasure without the pain.
金赛发现,随着时间的推移,如果没有痛苦,你就无法真正获得快乐。
Narrator : Kinsey's experiments with masochism had started years before, but as his depression deepened, they became more intense.
旁白:金赛的受虐实验几年前就开始了,但随着他的抑郁症加深,实验变得更加强烈。
Gebhard : As he once pointed out, he said it, you have to be careful about masochism because the threshold always rises, you need more and more stimulation.
格布哈德:正如他曾经指出的那样,你必须小心受虐狂,因为门槛总是在上升,你需要越来越多的刺激。
By the time I knew him it was definitely painful.
当我认识他时,这绝对是痛苦的。
Hardy : He began to be unable to sleep, so he took Nembutol.
哈迪:他开始无法入睡,所以他服用了Nembutol。
He had to take pep-up pills, to wake up from the Nembutol.
他必须服用提神药才能从 Nembutol 中醒来。
Anger : I could tell he was tiring more than when I first met him.
愤怒:我看得出来他比我第一次见到他时更累。
Mac took me aside and said she was worried about his heart.
麦克把我拉到一边,说她担心他的心脏。
And I guess that was the problem.
我想这就是问题所在。
Narrator : In August 1956, Kinsey was stricken with a major heart attack.
旁白:1956 年 8 月,金赛心脏病发作。
Paul Gebhard was the last to speak to him before he was rushed to the hospital.
在他被送往医院之前,保罗·格布哈德是最后一个与他说话的人。
Gebhard : He was lying on his bed, and he wanted to say something to me, so I went over and leaned over him.
格布哈德:他躺在床上,想对我说点什么,所以我走过去靠在他身上。
And he said, Gebhard, don't do anything till I come back.
他说,格布哈德,在我回来之前不要做任何事。
Narrator : Alfred Kinsey died on August 25, 1956, at the age of 62.
旁白:阿尔弗雷德·金赛于1956年8月25日去世,享年62岁。
Some said the cause was overwork; others, a deep sense of failure.
有的说是劳累过度,有的说是劳累过度。其他人则有深深的失败感。
Hardy : He hadn't managed to persuade people that his sexually tolerant attitude was the right one and he died a disappointed, bitter man.
哈代:他没能说服人们相信他对性的宽容态度是正确的,他死时是一个失望、痛苦的人。
Actually, of course, he hadn't failed.
事实上,当然,他并没有失败。
He was on the winning side and helped to make it the winning side, but he didn't know that.
他站在胜利的一边,并帮助球队成为胜利的一方,但他不知道这一点。
Narrator : Kinsey may not have caused a sexual revolution, but he had discovered one brewing beneath the placid surface of American life.
旁白:金赛可能没有引发一场性革命,但他发现了一场在美国生活平静的表面下正在酝酿的革命。
That revolution would burst into the open just a decade after his death.
这场革命在他去世仅仅十年后就爆发了。
Jones : If Kinsey could have made it to the 60s, it would have been a different world for him.
琼斯:如果金赛能够活到 60 年代,那对他来说将是一个不同的世界。
He would have seen Women's Lib, he would have seen the Civil Rights movement.
他会看到妇女解放运动,他会看到民权运动。
He would have seen most importantly for him the Gay Liberation movement.
对他来说最重要的是看到同性恋解放运动。
And those, and those things would have warmed his soul.
而那些,那些东西会温暖他的灵魂。
Narrator : For countless Americans, Kinsey's vision of sexual freedom was personally liberating.
旁白:对于无数美国人来说,金赛的性自由愿景是个人解放。
Ericksen : Many young women read the Kinsey report and thought, oh my gosh, I'm not going to hell if I give into my desires before I'm married or I think, I mean I know gay men who've told me that they first discovered that oh you could be, there was something called homosexuality and perhaps that described them, when they were living in small towns; And they had desires they didn't have practices, and they came to define themselves as a result of Kinsey and they found reading Kinsey very liberating.
埃里克森:许多年轻女性读了金赛的报告后想,天哪,如果我在结婚前屈服于自己的欲望,我不会下地狱,或者我想,我的意思是我认识的男同性恋者告诉我,他们第一次发现,哦,你可以,有一种叫做同性恋的东西,也许这就是他们生活在小镇时的描述;他们有欲望但没有实践,他们开始将自己定义为金赛的结果,他们发现阅读金赛非常解放。
Hecht : When my two daughters were growing up, one of the things I put them to doing was dusting the books.
赫克特:当我的两个女儿长大时,我让她们做的一件事就是掸书本上的灰尘。
And I knew very well that they would find Kinsey's books on the shelves, and I knew very well that they would wait until I was out of the house and turn the pages and browse and check the index, and I felt that's a reasonable way for two young women to learn these things.
我很清楚他们会在书架上找到金赛的书,我也很清楚他们会等到我出门后翻页、浏览和检查索引,我觉得这对两个年轻女性来说是学习这些东西的合理方式。
Narrator : Kinsey would be given credit for triggering the Liberation Movement of the 1960s, but he would also be blamed for increasing promiscuity, teen pregnancy and the spread of AIDs.
旁白:金赛因引发了 1960 年代的解放运动而受到赞誉,但他也因乱交、青少年怀孕和艾滋病传播而受到指责。
In part, it was Kinsey' own uncompromising nature that made him a figure of lasting controversy.
在某种程度上,正是金赛自身不妥协的本性使他成为了一个持久争议的人物。
Bancroft : His story was more tragic because he was so provocative in the way that he pursued it.
班克罗夫特:他的故事更加悲惨,因为他追求的方式非常具有挑衅性。
If he'd have been more diplomatic in, in the way that he approached this then he actually might have achieved more.
如果他处理这件事的方式更加圆滑,那么他实际上可能会取得更多成就。
Narrator : But it also required a man of Kinsey's unyielding conviction to begin a national conversation about sex that persists to this day.
旁白:但这也需要一个像金赛那样坚定信念的人开始一场持续至今的关于性的全国性对话。
Gagnon : Kinsey was a man who felt that truth was better than ignorance, that inquiry was better than dogma.
加格农:金赛认为真理优于无知,探究优于教条。
And if people knew things, they would make better decisions.
如果人们了解事情,他们就会做出更好的决定。
And if they made better decisions, they'd make a better society and it was.
如果他们做出更好的决定,他们就会创造一个更好的社会,事实确实如此。
It would be a better place, to know about sex than not to know.
了解性比不了解性更好。
Kinsey : I want to emphasize, however, before we finish, it is the history of science that wherever we fill in a gap in our knowledge, mankind ultimately may profit.
金赛:然而,在我们结束之前,我想强调的是,科学史表明,无论我们在哪里填补知识空白,人类最终都可能受益。
Few scientific publications have made the public splash of Alfred Kinsey's post-World War II volumes on human sexuality.
阿尔弗雷德·金赛 (Alfred Kinsey) 二战后关于人类性行为的著作很少有科学出版物引起公众关注。
Hear from Kinsey interview subjects, Kinsey researchers, and contemporary scholars on the experience of answering questions about sex, and the impact of the Kinsey Reports on scientific knowledge.
聆听金赛采访对象、金赛研究人员和当代学者讲述回答性问题的经验,以及金赛报告对科学知识的影响。
A panel of experts answered your questions on the events of Alfred Kinsey's life, the impact of the Kinsey Reports when they were released, Kinsey's legacy, historical and scientific views of Kinsey today, and more, in this online forum.
在这个在线论坛上,专家小组回答了您关于阿尔弗雷德·金赛的生平事件、金赛报告发布时的影响、金赛的遗产、金赛今天的历史和科学观点等问题。
The man who would become known as the greatest chronicler of America's sexual experiences was born in the gritty, waterfront tenement town of Hoboken, New Jersey, on June 23, 1894.
1894 年 6 月 23 日,这位后来被称为美国最伟大的性经历记录者的人出生在新泽西州霍博肯的海滨廉价公寓小镇。
Clara McMillan had been born on October 2, 1898, in Brookville, Indiana, a small town southeast of Indianapolis near the Ohio state line.
克拉拉·麦克米兰 (Clara McMillan) 1898 年 10 月 2 日出生于印第安纳州布鲁克维尔,这是印第安纳波利斯东南部靠近俄亥俄州边界的一个小镇。
The daughter of two schoolteachers, she had grown up a tomboy with, like Alfred, an enduring appreciation of nature and the outdoors.
作为两名教师的女儿,她从小就是一个假小子,和阿尔弗雷德一样,对自然和户外活动有着持久的欣赏。
From the beginning of his formal sex research in 1938, Alfred Kinsey was fortunate to have a strong supporting cast of research assistants.
从 1938 年开始正式的性研究开始,阿尔弗雷德·金赛很幸运地拥有强大的研究助理支持团队。
A timeline of events relevant to Alfred Kinsey's life, and sex research and social policies in America.
与阿尔弗雷德·金赛的生活、美国性研究和社会政策相关的事件时间表。
Alfred Kinsey grew up in a world where sex education, such as it was, focused on abstention.
阿尔弗雷德·金赛(Alfred Kinsey)成长在一个性教育集中于禁欲的世界。